EDH/Commander General

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RW will never have synergy on part with GB or UW.

>>49713591
Nothing has synergy on par with GB. Golgari for life!

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end of your turn,

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I want Gisela to sit on my face.
RW is best colors for non-fags

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>>49713536
I'll post my Jank .

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shere-khan-and-friends/

Nature's Cloak for best secret tech.

>>49713665
tips for making an Archangel Avacyn deck with a blink/boardwipe theme?

>>49713665
Ok so lets do gayest color combo. I vote GU.

>>49713591
They would if WotC weren't pussies and went balls deep in the Artifact and Land hate.

>>49713705
nah, Selesnya exists

>>49713705
I agree with this sentiment, its either UG or UW.

>>49713705
WUBRG

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>>49713536
Post 'em.

What cards from Kaladesh have you added to your decks? So far I've added the most to my artifact deck, but I think all of my decks may get a bit of a makeover soon.

>>49713705
the only not-straight guys at my lgs both play tasigur and one of them has a husbando mat, not sure if this is a factor

>>49713694
Add black and you got the gay trio. Tasigur players are confirmed fags or closet fags

>>49713700
I dunno she doesn't seem like a good commander. Flash isn't really exciting if you can see it coming

>>49713829
>>49713705
Sorry replied to wrong one

Who are the best budget commanders?

>>49713900
Alesha can be good on a budget, just run looting cards and a bunch of 2 power creatures with ETB triggers

>>49713900
Mono red
Meren cause pre-con and she shouldn't have been printed

>>49713643
A
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H O L U P

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>>49713797

>>49713797
I think animation module and bombinomicon seem to fit best into a lot of common edh themes

I wanna build a for-fun chaos deck without painting a giant target on my back. Wanted to try Jhoira, but that might mean giant target. Ideas?

>>49713797
>>49713924
Why is Nath becoming so much more popular now?

Is it because it is a nice in between of elfball and stax?

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If people think RW is bad then what about pic related in Gisela? Checkmate bluefags

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>>49713797
Gonna try to turn old legacy sliver deck into something.

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>>49713797
Why not.

Not many.Waiting for the new four color decks and the Gods to come out before I make any drastic changes.But like you, an artifact here or there.

>>49714010
Why did you decide Hivelord over Overlord?

>>49714047
I only had Hivelord. I'll probably get it eventually, just an idea as of now, slivers got boring.

Memnarch is a MENACE AND MUST BE STOPPED

Give me all of your artifact destroying spells

>>49714077
vandalblast is all you need friendo
honorable mentions: shattering spree (gets around counterspells) creeping corrosion, and bane of progress

>>49713665
the funny thing is your maymay was started because of a gayboy's deck

>>49714077
Aura shards senpai

>>49713988
That's kinda why I built him. I like elves, but I already have a vintage elf deck and the first elf EDH deck I built (Ezuri) played basically the same way so it was kinda boring.

One of my first decks back in the day was a Megrim deck, so I tried to do something like that with Nath. Like it says, it kinda sputters out in it's current form, so it might migrate more to stax. But I've already got Marchesa, so, who knows.

>>49714100
would also recommend Gorilla Shaman, Viashino Shaman, Hellkite Tyrant, Homeward Path, Brooding Saurian

Ruination, Boiling Seas

>>49714077
Jokulhaups
Decree of Annihilation

Memnarch must be stopped at all costs brother

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Hey /tg/, I was wondering if I could get feedback on this list of mine, the manabase isn't tuned yet, something I plan on doing when my core theme is finalized.

I think it looks good so far but I'm wondering if there are any more cards that have the themes of vengeance/revenge/avenging and all that.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oros-vengeance-1/

I'm tempted to make room to put Hixus Prison Warden in there, along with Pestilence or Pyrohemia. Also, is there a thematic replacement for Stasis Snare?

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>>49714005

Manabarbs + Power Surge. No one liked me when I was a kid.

>>49714077
I like Shatterstorm personally.

>>49714077
Creeping Corrosion gets no love and I'm not sure why. It's artifact Wrath.

>>49714209
Who taps the lands though. Manabarbs deals damage to the player who taps them not their owner.

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Playing a big R/W stompy deck. Which one of these should I add in the last slot? Lots of big creatures and lots of "deal (less than my creatures' toughness) to each creature and player" spells.

>>49714275
I just read the rules, Drain Power makes target player tap all their lands for mana, then you take it all, so yes it does ;)

>>49713466
>Tfw lost my morph deck
It was fun

Would you even be able to cast morphs face down with Rashmi or would you be forced to play them nromally? It's a weird mechanic for stuff like that.

>>49714284
Considering Panoptic Mirror is banned, I'd go with the sword.

>>49714284
Selves is good if your playgroup is 4 or more

>>49714077
play slobad

play all the big mass artifact removal, jokulhaups, obliterate, etc.

blow up everything and keep your stuff

All black decks play the same.

Discuss

>>49714310
Wha?

>>49714346
http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/gameplay/formats/commander

>>49713988
I think its just that people are tired of the same few elf decks and are trying to diversify, and Nath was one of the more underplayed commanders.

>>49714236

The new wording for Drain Power forces the owner to tap, though.

>>49714360
Why?

>>49714378
What do you mean why rtfc

>>49714378
For real?

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>>49713900
>Edric
lil dudes don't cost much
ok removal and answers can be very affordable(nature's claim, pongify, counterspell, k-grip, etc)
a decent number of cheap pump effects like overrun when you need to go in for the kill
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-very-tight-shipedric-40-budget/

>Uril
lots of gude, cheap auras. slap them on, don't let him die, don't get killed, win. can get more expensive if you want good enchantress synergy

>gahiji
use symmetrical effects that are bad and cheap, and go to fucking town
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gahiji-and-the-cheap-dudesboth-kinds/

>>49714378
Imprint any land destruction or similar abusive card. That's why gay boy

>>49714378
Time Warp.

>>49714423
>>49714402
Thanks for clearing that up. Guess I'll just throw in a skull clamp and be done with it.

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>>49714340
You just described my Slobad deck perfectly.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/so-bad-slobad/

Also looking forward to adding this card to the mix.

>>49714344
Control decks do. I have a Seizan suicide aggro deck that fucks people up. Tons of pay life effects

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>>49713797
Meren has Demon of Dark Schemes.
I need to grab Renegade Tactics and possibly Built to Smash for Zada.

>>49714344
You only feel that way because black has the best tutors and people tend to play the same cards. Black is just as versatile as any other color.

>>49714344

Well you're not wrong, but neither is >>49714508. MonoBlack Stax is best Stax and best MonoB.

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>friend decides to spice things up
>decide to have a one-time thing where you get to pick your opening hand
>everyone starts with their nut draw
>playing Feldon
>turn 1 Wheel of Fortune
>everyone yells at me and I get hated out of the game

Wasn't even mad

>>49714344
discuss what? how wrong you are?

>>49714589

Absolutely fantastic.

>>49714589
they sound like massive scrubs anyway if their perfect opening hands didn't have Daze, Force Spike, or Mental Misstep

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rate my current decks?

>>49714589
Ferris Bueller, you're me hero. I have a friend who puts Winds of Change into every red deck he makes.

>>49714628
They are. But they're fun to play with. And there was no blue in that game

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>>49714194
I am sorry but that is not a top percentage commander or a commander product exclusive commander.

Please take your commander back to /r/EDH/.

When you decide to actually bring a worthy commander forward then we can talk.

>>49714479
Post Zada Plz

>>49714589
We once did that too.

I made sure I had every single manarock I could play and a wheel of fortune in my opening hand.

>>49714641
.5/6
You had one legitimate deck (Narset), now you are playing jank or less efficient generals (Mazirek instead of Meren seriously?).

>>49714667
>I have a friend who puts Winds of Change into every red deck he makes.
But why though?
That doesn't seem very good

>>49714792
Its literally just to mess with your kept hand on turn 1.

>>49714757
Powerlevel isn't everything.

>>49714641
Gay hipster/10

>>49714804
So what does he do with it when he draws it turn 10?
Don't get me wrong, I dig it, but as someone who loves playing red I always feel a little strained when I'm putting in cards just because they do fun things because of my trouble with card advantage

>>49714806
You are wasting everyone else's time bringing jank.

If I faced you right now I would either combo out or lock you out of the game before you get to cast whatever craw worms you got crawling around in your "deck".

>>49714828
I think mostly after turn 1 he uses it if he can fuck with a tutored card. Plus sometimes just shuffling someones hand away is enough to mess up their plans. I get what you mean though, and I hated it being in my hand the couple of times I played his decks.

>>49714854
Go kill yourself.

I'm not him, and I have multiple decks of varying powerlevel to fit the occasion.

There are extremely varying metas, just because his is weaker doesn't give you the moral highground.

>>49714854
>>49714757
Mazirek isn't really jank and Meren is a meme deck. I don't see why anyone enjoys the same competitive decks in their meta (Meren, Narset, Oloro).

>>49714932
I am sorry Magic is a hobby not baby sitting hour. My store has made sure keep jank/meme commanders out of our meta.

If you can't play up to snuff you should stay home at the kitchen table.

>>49714077
Wave of Vetroli. Fuck yo artifacts, fuck yo enchantments, fuck yo non-basic lands, and fuck yo couch nigga!

>>49714997
Competetive commander is a joke.

How does it feel to tryhard a format purposefully designed to be broken.

You know you're a joke, right?

>>49715012
>ravioli ravioli, here-a comes the wave o' vitrioli

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>>49714997

>>49714997
are you really going to look down on kitchen table? does that make you feel good about yourself? like you're one of the big kids

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>People arguing about different metas again

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>>49714997
>>49715034

>>49715017
>>49715034
>>49715038
Who said anything about "competitive"? If you are not fully invested in the hobby get the fuck out of my table. If you can't afford to you shouldn't even be playing at the store until you get a job and can.

>>49715065
kudos for the Cromartie reaction image

but this straight from the Commander website:

>Commander is a Magic:The Gathering format which emphasises multiplayer play, social interactions, interesting games, and creative deckbuilding.

I payed my friend's Meren deck and it is a fucking slog, holy shit. I get why people like her but man it is a grind

>>49714589
Beautiful.

>>49713973
Why not someone like Arjun, Melek, or Riku instead? Seems like the suspend gives away too much if you're going for warp world and its ilk.

>>49715080
I was reacting to the 997 post, I only quoted >>49715034 in solidarity.

>>49714589
Magnificent

>>49715080
There is nothing creative or interesting about playing shitty decks. I could play an entire deck of 1/1 vanilla creatures with storage lands and I bet you guys would love that

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>>49715107
gotcha

>>49715078
so what are the decks that you play?

>>49715116
and in turn, I don't see how playing against the same narset and oloro decks is any fun

>>49715078
Virt, either fuck off or turn your trip back on so you can get permabanned again

>>49713700
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-ish-commander-archangel-avacyn-80

This was a list that got me interested in making her.

>>49715116
Its almost that playing a deck of vanilla 1/1's is an extreme similar to playing only the most optimal and solved decks

>>49715116
You are wrong.
Lol

>>49715116
There's a large amount of deck design space between 65 1/1s + 35 basics, and Oloro Stax.

>>49713536
>Now they call him their first lord
>first Rat lord

Fucking A-game on flavor, Kamigawa-era WotC.

>>49715139
Prossh, Narset, Derevi (my favorite), and Animar. All have different play routes and have easy customization.

>>49715146
>Virt bogeyman
You have a problem with different opinions?

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>>49715116

Ignore the troll guys, he is obviously just baiting.

>>49715116
you're the same faggot who complains about R/W commanders aren't you?

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Alright, pic related's the conundrum.

Which is better in Keranos R/U artifacts?

>>49715301
Transreliquat is the obvious answer since it can hop from an artifact to another if you pay the colored cost.

>>49715301
Both.

>>49715301
They're both terrible. If you need to make lots of copies either run Mirrorworks or Prototype Portal

>>49715316
>>49715301
the problem with transreliquat is that you'll never get the ETB/replacement effects from your target ie pithing needle et. al

>>49715324
Sculpting Steel is good tho

>>49715324
Already running Mirrorworks.

I want another clone to get double Panharmonicons/Mirrorworks/Knowledge Pools

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-09-16-bruna-reanimator/
Can I get some help narrowing down my discard engines? I genuinely have no clue which are the best or how many I should play tbqh since mono white reanimation is such an oddball thing, so not much to reference.

>>49715547
>45 cuts
pls anon...

>>49715604
Man that's not even every card I don't think. I hadn't looked at it in a while because i got stuck on this. I have up trying to figure out what discards I should keep. Then I remembered the deck and came back to it. And I was reminded why I stopped.

>>49715706
We'll you can start by dropping down to 37 lands. There's 7.

Then I figure you should work around your curve. What nets you the most benefits for being reanimated. Ideally, you should have maybe 6-7 discard outlets. The rest should be utility and value.

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>>49714479
Built to Smash works great for Zada, and I'm really hoping that Aether Revolution or whatever the next set is gives us a great energy outlet to abuse with Harnessed Lightning. Right now, all I can think of is Aetherworks Marvel.

>>49715116
Oh hey I made one of those last week!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pumpkin-spice-1/

>>49715728
The curve is gonna be kind of weird considering I plan on playing a lot of rocks to get bruna asap which is hard to build a curve around once you get past 2 drop rocks I find, but also because I'm thinking it's going to be optimal to play the white somebody variants in case I sputter out on mana so my discard outlets and fatties aren't dead weight because I can't get to bruna.

>>49715742
>Jerrard
Oh.

>>49715783
>white somebody
White zombify. I kinda don't want to but since they're not great, especially versus black's options but I'm not in black and like I said it feels like it would be optimal to play other reanimation spells.

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>>49715811
This is the face of a man who doesn't fuck around

Anyone wanna give me some advice on my list?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/broken-stupid/

Reasons to play Regal Force over Shamanic Revelation?

>get a 5/5 with no other abilities
>can chord etc into it

>only green creatures
>no incidental lifegain


seems bad

>>49715865
yeah kill urself dont play that card

if people actually enjoy and want to play against leovold u need anvil of bogardan

>>49715879
wtf did u just say to me u little shit

>>49715879
B- but my play group plays with all the conspiracy commanders

>>49715900
There's a bit of power disparity between those

How many token producers should be in a deck to justify running Parallel Lives and the like? I'm making a Mazirek deck and at the moment I have like 15.

>>49714346
How do people still not know the ban list?

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Anyone ever give her a spin? Seems like it could be a fun, if underpowered deck. Metal as fuck, too.

>>49716548
I can only imagine this being boring

>>49716548
Can someone tell me what separates a solider from a warrior? I can honestly not understand the distinction.

Also, she doesn't seem that fun. She is too overcosted for the haste ability (her best one) to be very relevant. If you shit out a bunch of weenies and empty your hand it doesn't help you very much when you play her.

>>49716606
soldier*
God damn

>>49716606
Wizards seems to take the soldier type for more organized units, mostly in white and blue, while warriors are individuals who are good fighters, maybe part of a team, but not really organized, mostly in red and black and green.

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>>49715814

>>49715814
Man, aside from Reanimate and Animate Dead, I like white's reanimation suite much more than black's. Karmic Guide and Reveillark are just so much more useful than pretty much any black reanimation (not counting mass reanimation like Living Death), and white can also get permanents with shit like Profound Journey and Sun Titan, not just creatures. I'm hoping we get a Karmic Guide for permanents some day.

>>49714340
>play slobad
I was actually planning to.

>>49716897
Eh, stuff like that is kind of like a different use. I feel like stuff like sun Titan is more a value thing. Black's reanimation feels more about cheating out stuff sooner and that's what my deck is focusing on. White actually has a lot of cards that just reanimate thinga but mostly for 4 and 5 mana. And I think 5 is priced a little too high for me. Zombify is kind of like barely playable for me. Black is the king of cheaty reanimation, with stuff like exhume, reanimate, animated dead, et all.

>>49713536
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-11-15-zombieland/
Good ol' zombie swarm with last resort Mike&Trike.

>>49713797
>Teysa 1
>Meren
>Geist
>Gisa
>Liliana
>Drana 1
>Ezuri 1
>Queen Marchesa
Chandra to Marchesa and the BW Fastland for Teysa. Kaladesh is all either doing shit you can already do with other cards or build-around-me Johnny stuff.

>>49715871
Being a creature has a lot of advantages in green. More recurrable, for one thing. Easier to bounce/blink. More tutorable, as you mentioned. Can be sacced for more value. Triggers those nice creature ETBs. Sometimes being an elemental is nice(looking at you, Angry Omnath). There are loads of upsides to regal force.

That said, shamanic revelation is amazing too. They're both excellent cards with different situational virtues.

Are there any rulings online for the un-set cards? I want to build a Richard Garfield, Ph.D. but I'm not too sure how he works. Specifically I want to know if he "remembers" the cards you've named if he's blinked or recasted.

>>49713900
Ezuri. Just buy the Freyalise deck, a Heritage Druid, a Wirewood Lodge, a Nykthos, a Door of Destinies, a Garruk Wildspeaker and you'll be doing equal or better than most casual to semi-competitive decks.
The only really expensive cards are Cradle, Cavern of Souls, Sylvan Library and maybe Staff of Domination. Craterhoof and Natural Order if you want to go into the most fragile combo ever.
Everything else you can get under $10, most of it under $5. It's probably the most inexpensive deck that's actually competitive even when it's not optimized and scratches Tier 1 when it is.

Got an odd story to share

>play with group yesterday
>brother in law brings out sliver queen deck that has, in his words, 11 different infinite combos
>gets off one of the combos and keeps bragging about the rest of the night
>everyone besides me and this other chillbro gets tired of hik and kicks him out
>mfw I was his ride home which is a 30 minute drive away
>we continue to play for the next 5 hours
>he sat on the porch the entire time

Now he's asking me to see if they will let him play with us again and they refuse to play at his house. I feel bad for him but at the same time I felt he did deserve it. I still haven't decided if I should ask them or not as they all still seemed pissed about it

>>49715871
Regal is strictly for green token strategies.

Shamanic is better for multicolor or green decks that aren't going wide.

Regal is a creature and gives devotion. But it can suffer from topor orb or opponents cloning it.

>>49714344
>Skittles is Voltron
>Drana 1.0 is Control
>Drana 2.0 is Mono Black Weenie
>Gisa is Midrange Tokens
>Mikaeus is Combo
>Toshi is Tempo
>Liliana is "Aristocrats"
>Erebos is Stax
>Sidisi is Combo
>Sheoldred is Reanimator
>Xiao Dun is Control
>Kokusho is Stax/Control
>Chainer is Goodstuff
>Marrow-Gnawer is retarded

I don't see your point.

>>49717119
All uncards have no rulings on purpose, and you won't get an official one.

That being said, not being able to name the same card twice seems like it should stretch the whole match, otherwise it ruins the spirit of the card (and the mental magic it was trying to recreate).

How should I build derevi? Should I go fill it with a bunch of go wide creatures and some strong tap effects in the back or take the chance for bird tribal?

Skeleton Key or Key to the City?

>>49717281
i like key to the city personally

>>49717281
What is this key tribal you are doing

>>49717161
Stop being babies, banter is inoffensive and is usually a way to incentivize your opponent to do better. The fact that he's sorry about upsetting them and want to play with them again denotes he was just trying to raise the spirits rather than being autistic.

Any playgroup that kicks a player out for anything that's not socially unacceptable IRL needs to grow up.

>>49717300
Trying to narrow down discard outlets in monowhite. I actually thought key to the city was an equip though.

>>49717240
>Shirei is Combo/Stax

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>>49717321
Well as I said me and the chillbro didn't care but the others did. I'm not going to apologize for him, that's between him and them. However...

>bragging is to bring up spirits

That has got to be one of the most retarded things I have ever heard

>>49713797
Trostani got the death laser since it was my promo card, but nothing else has gotten new stuff from kaladesh yet.

I still need to grab shit from conspiracy and eldritch moon

>>49713900
Mikaeus

>>49717344
you should play smuggler's copter

>>49717473
Got it already. Hoping for vehicle tutoring white in AER since whites been getting a lot of tutors lately.

>>49717119
>>49717266

There is the frequently asked questions that if we did not answer would destroy the world article.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic%2Ffaq%2Funhinged

Additionally, Mark Rosewater is the official un-rules manager and has answered un-rules questions on his blog.

>>49716606
There is agreed distinction, but in general warrior is someone who fights for personal glory or honor, and generally trains to fight 1 on 1, while a soldier is a professional who fights for pay or duty, in larger units.

A good rule of thumb is assuming everyone has roughly equal equipment, 10 warriors beat 10 soldiers, but 100 soldiers can beat 100 warriors.

>>49714690
I thought you were being an asshole for no reason but then I looked through that deck. You were right to be a dick.

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>>49713797
Gonna wait on the 4 colors before I build any more decks.

>>49717905
Being cucked out of Commander set information until the very last minute for so long is killing me. We still got like almost a month.

>>49717935
Last year was abnormal because of an early leak, but otherwise this is the normal schedule

>>49714194
First you should pretty much scrap that whole deck and start over. It's an incohesive pile. Most of the stuff in there isn't even vengeance themed.

Obvious removals if you want to just edit it, Avicynian Missionaries is pretty much always going to be dead draw since you only have 2 pieces of equipment and both of those should go on your commander. A lot of your creature and spells look like things that were beasts in standard but are not very good in commander. There is just so much wrong here.

Try again 8-10 pieces of ramp and 8-10 pieces of draw. Then make a coherent deck with cards with synergy. None of your cards work with any of your other cards. A lot die to your own commander. As it stands this is just a mismatch pile of mish mash. I really can't even tell you what to improve because there isn;t any theme or idea to improve.

>>49717965
Hey, I just noticed he had Black Knight and Blood Knight but no White Knight. What the fug

>>49717276
Why not both?
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+[Gustcloak]

If I wanted to make a waifu deck which commander would be the best?

>>49717980
I just notticed that too...
of all of them that's the one to have since it won't die to his commander

>>49718072

I did grab a Gustcloak Savior

>>49717395
>Bragging
>Not rousing
You don't have a competitive spirit.

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how gud is this guy?

>>49718230
pretty bad

>>49717935
They need to wait until all orders are in, paid and shipped.
If stores knew what's in these decks they wouldn't order them, but everyone is too afraid to miss on the next TNN or Flusterstorm and camping at Wal Mart to corner the market doesn't work anymore.

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What do you guys think of this faggot. He's a hell of a lot of fun in multiplayer EDH.
It either gets destroyed instantly or Grave Pacts/discards everyone else out of the game.
A working deck can be built for under 35 bucks since it makes shitty cards great.

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Talk to me about frogs.

This is the list i played at GP atlanta all saturday.

ended up going 5-2.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/frogger-as-of-gp-atl-102016/

>>49718112
Karona since she has access to all the waifus.
And will leave you like your waifu would if she could.

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>>49713797
CAST SOMETHING I DARE YOU.
The whole deck is geared to punsh people for casting spells whether they be noncreature or a certain cmc.

I have considered making Sydri despite my wallet's objections.

I have also Radha, Heir to Keld and maybe Toshi.

>>49718230
not gud

his other version isn't great but is better

>>49717935

My suspicion is this year's set is either going to be the strongest or weakest ever.

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Can I has sum fun and nice (if u don't got no positive feedback don't say anything) feedbac k? I want to run my OC in my super fun chaos/grouphug french commander deck as my lieutenant! I think he's fast haha!

>>49718571
2fast2cool

If you had to come up with a new RW commander with abilities that -weren't- combat-centric, what would you want to introduce to the format? Is there a way to make non-combat oriented Boros commanders without leaning heavily on stuff like land/artifact destruction and being hated off the table?

>>49718276
I'm kinda new, how does this effect interact with stuff like mass -X/-X spells? If you wipe most of a board with something like Languish, will everything whose power was reduced to 1 or less return under your control? Or will they return to their original P/T in the graveyard first?

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I got my hands on a Lu Bu, how could I make him work as a commander?

>>49718640

like a godo deck except no blade of selves and you have to draw the equipment instead of tutoring it

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>>49718592
RW just needs a commander that is capable of generating a good flow of cards, even if it's not necessarily card advantage. For example, a commander that red-loots whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control.

RW has good cards, and when it works, it works just as well as UG broken shit. The problem is, since it has no real card flow, it will eventually get hellbent and just sit drawing a card a turn hoping to get to one of those cards that get you some cards (wheels, skullclamp, etc).

>>49718630
It checks after its in the grave and stuff.

>>49718663
>ug broken shit
>color combo with literally no win cons.

>>49718630
>>49718686

shizo checks their power "immediately before leaving the battlefield" (you can look at the rulings on gatherer for confirmation)

which means anything that died from a languish or a toxic deluge that reduced its power below 1 (and toughness, obviously) wont be returning to the battlefield, but if for instance you had a 5/4 creature, and it died to languish, it would return to the battlefield. or if you had a 5/5 and cast languish then damnation, it would return to the battlefield

>>49718700

are you saying UG has no wincons, or RW has no wincons?

>>49718720

wait my bad, shizo says 1 or less, not exactly 1, so anything you control that dies from toxic deluge or languish or black sun's zenith will return to the battlefield with shizo's ability

>>49718734
UG.

It's literally only palinchron.
Grasp the palinchron and they can't win.

>>49714468
got a list?

>>49718759

what kind of weird UG decks are you playing against?

>>49718759

So what you mean is that it has no combo wincons?

>>49718759
Kek. They have Darksteel Reactor too, fagola. It's helpless, you can't win.

>>49718759
UG's win con is what UB's win con is supposed to be: drown you with absurd amounts of card advantage until you don't have any threats or answers and then they beat you to dead with coiled oracle.

>>49718751
Jesus. That sounds like a very fun effect.

>>49718751
That is of course assuming that Shirei doesn't die somehow.

>>49718831

lol good point, forgot he has that extra little clause, seems like that clause was there precisely so that board wipes wouldnt work so well with him

back in kamigawa they were really pulling out all the stops to make sure everything was as hard to abuse as possible

>>49718132
>>49717980
Black and Blood have protection from white, so the damage won't do anything to them.

>>49717965
I'll try redoing it later then, I know it'll take a while due to finding stuff suitable for what I want it to be.

>>49718879
But the ability doesn't hit white knight. Why does the damage prevention matter? What if someone plays Leyline of Punishment or something similar?

How many fetches does everyone run in 3 color decks? Do you run the full 9 that apply to you, or just the 3 main ones for your colors?

Also, how many basics do people tend to run in non-green 3 color decks?

>>49718986

i dont run any enemy fetches because they arent worth their price in EDH

the most perfect and optimal 3-color manabase would have all 9 fetches i would think though

>>49718951
Yeah that's an error on my part. I've always liked Knights and I may have forced some pet cards and interests where they don't belong.

I think I'll look into cards that have effects when damage is dealt to me, damage redirection/prevention, etc

I should have said this in the first post, but I'm not looking to make something competitive. I go into casual formats to take a break from that stuff.

>>49718986
9 and all the Mirage ones that fit.

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>>49713797
please ask me about my decks, I've got nothing to do all day

>>49719048
Not saying that you shouldn't run knights. Just that I thought White Knight being the most obvious with Black Knight.
Unless you're familiar with the meta, I wish you luck, as not every meta is casual when it comes to 'casual' formats.

>>49719173
Ah, I see.
It's just my friends and I playing really. Either I am gonna have to cut a lot to make it "venge" themed, or just make a separate list for that and try something else with this pile. Might be cool.

>>49719225
For extra synergy with your commander, you could run anthems and Darkest Hour, so the bolt hits everything every time.

>>49719258
Oh, neato, I'll keep that in mind then. Thank you for the advice overall.

>>49719034
I just had fetches lying around so I figured I would use them, I have at least one of each of them except W/R so I can put 8 in this deck without spending anything.

>>49719165
>Taplands
But why though? If you were just going to deal with lands coming into play tapped at least have them do an extra trick like being manlands or something.

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>>49713797
>What cards from Kaladesh have you added to your decks?
Everybody's favorite rhino got a major power boost off Panharmonicon, and Akroma uses a lot of artifacts so things like Inventor's Fair help it out.

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>>49718230
He's not great but he's fun as fuck. Run a bunch of those pongify effects, forbidden orchid, stuff that triggers on opponents things dying and some of the better U/B dragons and go to town. Also secret tech

>>49719166
i have a question
youre cool : )

I haven't played for a couple years now. My favorite deck is a 5 color chaos deck with lots of artifacts and enchantments. Are there newer chaos cards that are fun to play?

>>49719431
there are no chaos cards that are fun to play

>>49719430
that's not a question :^(
but thanks

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>>49716548
Never have used her as a commander, but in the 99 of Hazezon she does tons of work. Haste plus an anthem is never bad.

>>49716606
Just to make you a little more confused, wizards also decided to make at least one card that refers to soldiers and warriors under the same banner as Heroes in Aysen Crusader. If you look at the gatherer text its been errata'd to reflect it.

>>49718276
You pretty much summed it up. A friend made him and it was brutal. Literally the first two games he played he easily won, and they we realized it wasnt a fluke or magical christmasland and just removed him a million times and he couldnt do shit.

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I did not know this card existed.

>>49718751
Yeah, I once Slipped my Grave Titan to save it from being exiled.

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>>49719878
Speaking of Shirei, Dusk Urchins and Cinderhaze Wretch are MVP with him and Bottle Gnomes does an annoyingly huge amount of work.

>>49715220
I disagree with most of your opinions but you're not wrong about Derevi being the best commander to play.

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>>49719166
I liked this style, couldn't get as clear an image as you but here my commander decks, ask me anything.

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So i ordered an Evasive Maneuvres since it was dirty cheap but i recieved a Power Hungry, i already have a Meren reanimate/combo deck, what should i build?

>>49720112
Is your Oloro alter a rock biter from The Neverending Story?

RW is best color combo. Tasigur is the commander for gay boys.

Discuss

>>49720162
No, it's a golem from Legend of the Cryptids

>>49720112
Do you have that Rashmi deck on tappedout? I'm curious how others look.
If not is it creature based or something else?

>>49720236
Haven't made a list for the rashmi deck yet on tappedout because it's honestly god awful at the moment.

Just threw it together with spare cards I had lying around, missing at least a dozen staple cards, and can't be bothered to order them when I already have so many decks.

>>49720246
>>49720236
The deck IS kinda creature based though, because I wanted a deck I could play Panharmonicon in. So I play Eternal Witness, Archaeomancer, Mnemonic Wall and Greenwarden, plus about 10 different clones (particularely spell based clones).
The rest of the deck is control, expensive counterspells like Spelljack, Desertion, Overwhelming Intellect, that commander one that gives you control of the spell you counter etc.
They usually give you a free spell off rashmi, while letting you steal the spell you countered. The free card typically is a clone or a regrowth effect, so you get back your counterspell.

Then you just sit like that forever, stealing peoples spells while getting them back for free, eventually you get so much card advantage that you just win by cloning eternal witness 20 times and getting back your entire graveyard every turn.

>>49720215

I submit that you are currently choking on a hundred cocks.

>>49720300
Also fun is that casting your opponents spells for free also triggers Rashmi. So yeah, Spelljack and stuff is like tripple value

>>49720236
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rashmi-eternal-loop-crafter/

Uploaded the list now, maybeboard is the list of cards I plan to add over time (Won't have room for all of them, but they are being considered)

>>49720579
Not him, but wow I'm dumb. I only now just realize how good alternative costs are with things like Rashmi and Cascade.

>>49714033
what Gods are you waiting for?

I'm looking for a mono white enchant, or maybe an artifact, that says something along the lines of "Whenever enchanted/equipped creature is delt damage, you gain that much life." Anyone know of something like that?

>>49718276
My list.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/garden-of-weenies/

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>>49721001
The ones in Amonkhet.

>>49721038
dont exist in mono white

>>49721210
Do we have any actual authority that there will be more Gods?
Or is it just extrapolation based on the most pertinent aspect of source culture?

>>49721332

https://twitter.com/wizards_magicES/status/771016620143587328

>>49721210
There is one god on Amonkhet.

and I sure as hell hope he can be your general

>>49721332
They use the word "Gods" in the description of the set.
http://www.magicspoiler.com/amonkhet-spoiler/

>>49717240
>kalitas is midrange zombies

>>49721332
>>49721350
>>49721355
I bet my friend a booster box that Nicol Bolas will be one of them.
He didn't accept though. Guess they made it too obvious.

>>49721364

>Implying

Bolas rules the plane, he doesn't share that rule.

The gods will be Avacyn style constructs that Bolas made when he had his Oldwalker powers.

>>49721292
Does it exist at all that you know of? It seems like if it were a think it would be white.

>>49721424
Soul Link. Triggers off damage dealt to and by.
Other things are walls.

how does GW Selvala work best? seems like there are a lot of different routes to go with her

stax might be an interesting spin on it

>>49721424
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=+%5Bdealt%5D+%5B%22you%20gain%20that%20much%20life%22%5D

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>>49721355
"Ah, you've been by my side all along..."

EDH as a format BEGAN with bolas, he can already be your general

>>49721438
>>49721483
Thanks.

How linear is Yisan? I like cheating things into play and I don't build nearly often enough with green

>>49721708
He's a birthing pod, what do you think

>>49721737
I've never used Birthing Pod so I don't know

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Look what I found. Its adorable.

>>49717161
that's a dick move to pull on someone unless he was being really fucking obnoxious. even if he were, i would've asked them if he wanted to play one of my decks instead after the first game he spent timed-out

>but he was bragging

oh boo hoo

either your group is bitchmade or he intentionally acted like a retard for like 2 hours straight and refused to stop to warrant that kind of reaction

but then again i'm like this guy >>49717321 >>49718221 meaning i think of banter as rousing rather than demoralizing, unless if the guy is being a full-on serious autist about it instead of "mwahaha you'll never defeat my gargoyle of grumdor"

>>49721764
That's Phylactery Lich's best friend!

>>49721764
I remember when my friend made a 0 drop deck.
It was pretty interesting.

>>49714077
Use Act of Treason effects and identity independent blue mana producers (Mana Confluence, Vivids, five colour rocks, et al) to take it and activate it to keep it permanently.

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What's the grossest non-creature thing I can do in a Kruphix deck? Additionally, how do you feel about The Great Aurora?

>>49721867
Great Aurora is the best green board wipe and win con ever printed. It's much like Catastrope, when you're behind you get a new chance, when you're ahead you win pretty much on the spot.

>>49721867
Helix Pinnacle?

>>49717161
Fuck you. He was proud of his deck and just wanted to play Magic. Why are you being such a cunt? If his deck is too strong, build better decks or ask him to play something else. If he didn't bring any other decks, have another player spot him one. What you did is extremely awful, and as someone on the other side of that situation, it fucking sucks when some guy decides you don't get to play Magic any more because of stupid reasons. Act like an adult.

>>49715316
>>49715301
I've been wondering for a long time now

if a transreliquat a mimic vat and put a creature into it then later turn it into a isochron scepter what happens when i activate the scepter.

>>49713705
RW is the obvious answer. Boros players just whine nonstop about how they don't have good card advantage

>>49721908
That's neat but I wouldn't call it gross. Think game-winning/ table-flipping.

>>49721867
Absolutely amazing card. Best if used with a shit ton of tokens.

>>49722088
i didn't realize the scepter said instant there. dang guess it fails to resolve.

>>49717161
Your entire group is made of that guys.

>>49716548

Built a Warrior/Berserker/Barbarian tribal that helms her and runs a bunch of wheels and MLD. She's my weakest deck (by design) for when I play against newer folks, but she's a fair bit of fun if you enjoy playing Creatures: the Tappening.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-which-is-best-in-life/

How many haste and trample enablers should I run in a Thromak deck? I was thinking around three to four each, but I'm just not sure.

>>49718657
>Like a Godo deck except no Blade of Selves
>No built in additional combat
>No tutoring
So, bad? The haste is the only thing Lu Bu has going for him

>>49715740
Dynavolt Tower and that dude that pings for 6 to the face

>>49718592

Either legendary Mentor of the Meek or a wheeler or a looter whenever you cast a creature/creature enters the battlefield under your control.

>>49714589
So good. T1 Wheel for Feldon is a grade-A play too

>>49722452
I'd say 5 would be better.

>>49718802

>Coiled Oracle

Not superior leviathans and krakens.

SELLING ALL MY SHIT AND MAKING THE BEST GODO DECK I CAN

DO NOT @ ME

>>49719166

Why is a BW deck in orange sleeves?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/all-of-hyrules-lands-flow-through-my-deck-balls/

Greetings, fellow Zoras. Come watch as all of Hyrule's land flows through my deck and balls.

>>49722493
So something along the lines of
Haste: anger, fervor, fires of yavimaya, hammer, hellraiser goblin or Xenagod/Urabrask of I can get one.
Trample: brawn, Nylea, archtype of aggresion, primal rage, thunderfoot baloth

Does that sound good?

advice for a selvala, Explorer Returned deck? Seems like there are multiple directions you could take it in

>>49714589
I would have done the same thing, keep reaching for the stars anon

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sidisi-the-eater-of-faces/

Just got the final cards for my Sidisi graveyard shenanigans deck. I wanna make the landbase better eventually, but this is a nice draft of it in my opinion.

Y'know what would be great? A Blood Moon reprint. Yeah. That'd be cool.

>>49722923
>tfw using a blood moon and being called a monster for killing a 5 color deck player with mana screw

>>49722757
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-10-16-tap-that-ass/

>>49714589
Ha, noice.

>>49722923
>TFW you didn't know a card spiked in value but you have copies of it.

Ehhhh, Blood Moon is kind of a weird card to play in this format, because it typically won't stop the very best of players (who plan for it with fetches and a few basics) but it will destroy more casual ones.

This sounds like a good idea until they realize they can kill you to end the blood moon effect. If you were going to plan your deck around basic land I would just play ruination instead. Then the only reason they have to target you is spite, but thats not a very good reason.

>>49722923
Wait what the fuck

Why did Blood Moon suddenly explode in value around DTK release?

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>>49713536
The funnest and jankest commander.

>>49722463
It does, it does. I just want something BETTER. I do like that energy counters stick around, though.

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Yo, checking through my junk rares I found Descend upon the sinful, like holy fuck, does it not just completely replace Terminus or is Terminus so great for its "Miracle" cost?

>>49723250
It's p. Good. Hallowed burial is cheaper than either though, not counting miracle cost.

There are a shit ton of good wrath options, just choose what fits your meta.

>>49723250
Miracle nigga

>>49723250
The miracle cost just makes Terminus so much better.

>>49723297
Ye, thinking about putting this in my Superfriends deck, instead of terminus, just so I can get some creatures

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>>49714628
>playing any of these in EDH

I have a bunch of shit that I want to offload. Who/what would be the best place to sell? A lot of it is bulk but there are a few valuable cards, like fetches and some old legends whose decks I took apart a long time ago.

>>49723363
>Magic Card Market

>>49723423
>Yurop

>>49714932
People realize this guy is being purposely retarded in order to troll, right?

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>>49722538
My Abzan deck is in Blue Mana sleeves. I did it as a stop-gap the week I built it and was planning on buying more appropriate sleeves with my next pay check.

I had no less than three people get legitimately upset about it at the games I took it to that week. Those are it's permanent sleeves now, because of pic related.

>>49720127
Cancer

>>49722748
The only thing I might change is Goblin Bushwacker for Hellraiser Goblin. Everything else is pretty standard and looks good.

>>49719166
The Nephilhim aren't legendary bro

>>49722538
I'm going to put Karlov in either aqua or lavender sleeves once I can buy some to replace my red ones

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>>49723575
"Not making Nephilim legendary was a mistake."
- Mark Rosewater

>>49723604
You're not wrong, but the fact stands that they aren't.

>>49723604
That doesn't change the fact that they aren't legendary.

>>49723656
>>49723677
If you talk to your group about it and they are OK with it, why not go for it?

>>49723694
I mean, what you do is your business. We let our friend play his pauper deck at our modern table, but he doesn't post that deck in the modern thread.

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How do I go about delivering sweet justice?

I'm thinking tokens + aura shards + all the removal I can think of.

>>49723500
Right I didn't rhink about that one.
Also I remembered I have convergent crossroads so I might run that even though it can potentially bite me in the ass.

>>49723363
LGSes will sometime take bulk

If you want maximum cash, eBay is your best bet. It can be a pain to sell but you will usually get 100% of your value off it. Otherwise, a lot of the online shops have buylists that you can sell to, at a lesser value.

Is a well-built Anax and Cymede deck any good, or at least fun? I know it suffers the RW problem, but it looks fun and it's a pet card of mine

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Anybody else play sinkhole as their commander? I don't see how any group except for the most autistic wouldn't be fine with it. Sinkhole is a relic of magic history before legendary was even a card type, so it's not fair to exclude this obviously fun commander just because it isn't a legendary creature.

>>49723845
Anax and Cymede has it really bad since it needs to go wide for the heroic trigger to matter but it also needs to go tall to get heroic at all, all at once. They're really not good. You can build whatever you want ofc but still.

>>49723858
if you want to ask your group

i honestly believe no one would even give that much of a shit tbqh in terms of power level, though the first sinkhole will be a bitch

>>49723845
It's one of those commanders that feels like it exists for Tiny Leaders. If your group does that at all, they're awesome. Otherwise... RW is such an uphill battle already, why make it worse on yourself.

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>>49723858

>>49723858
>>49723894
^ This, TBQHF.
Sinkhole isn't even good. You get to put one person behind a single turn and then your general costs 4 mana, and thats hardly efficient.

Ask your playgroup. Honestly I would allow it at my table

>>49723460

Cool. Just curious.

>>49723858
No one played it before eternal masters because it wasn't worth $25. Now the only people who play it are people who opened them because the effect isn't worth $10.

>>49724149

Seems pretty broken in 1v1

In a normal monoblack ramp shell, imagine being on the play, on turn 2 you hit their first land drop, then on turn 3-4 you drop them back down to 0-1 lands, then, assuming they had a land heavy draw thru finally make it to 3-4 lands on turn 5-6 and you hit them again

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>>49721156
I like this list a lot. I've actually swapped some cards out of my original Shirei deck for some of yours. However, you are missing this beautiful bastard which can end games.
This ability is stupidly good only with this commander. Almost every other discard effect is either when the creature enters the battlefield or can only be used as a sorcery. If you have a free sacrifice engine, and your opponents are down to no cards in hand, you can have them discard in response to drawing their first card of the turn. Unless its an instant that kills Shirei they are basically fucked.

>>49724828
1v1 is a different animal entirely. I'm pretty sure that post was made assuming multiplayer. You just can't spend four mana to kill a land in multiplayer.

>>49724828
1v1 EDH is a complete joke, so I see nothing strange happening here. Doesn't seem more game breaking that a turn one sol ring.

>>49725214
>>49725124

I know I'm just saying, in my playgroup we can't always get a multiplayer game going and we play 1v1s when only 2 people are available

Sinkhole would be stupid there

>>49725234
If you're playing non duel commander rules it's already stupid regardless of sinkhole or not. And if you're playing fuel rules you probably shouldn't allow sinkhole ad commander. That wouldn't even make sense given the intention of fuel rules to begin with.

>>49725268

Ima play time warp as my commander

>>49725347
ad long as you let me play Sol ring as my commander

>>49722459
>horsemanship isn't an upside

>>49725425

>It gets destroyed once
>Still a strictly better worn powerstone in the command zone

>>49725489
>>49725489
New thread