Warhammer Fantasy General: Not Quite Dead Yet Edition

Fucked up the link to the last thread, sorry.

>>49667706

>>49705163
nice to see the general back

who is the most powerful warrior of each race in the Warhammer setting? and why?

I'll post in this thread. Accidentally posted it in an offshoot WHF thread earlier. I am just learning the table top:
Say I have a unit with just fine models, and something flanks. They have one model in contact with my right most model. They kill a model, it's removed. They are now next to a blank space. Does the enemy flanking move up to meet the remainder of the unit? Does it stay that distance away and have to move next turn? Or does my unit shrink to them and go into base contact?
(I understand this is pretty wordy, and I would have drawn a diagram but I'm mobile posting from work. A page number in mini BRB would work too)

>>49706038
I only really know the lore for skaven. with them it gets odd, because the political chain is all back stabbing and deception. The strong guys are usually just brutes. After having read warp spawn, I would Say Ikit Claw is the top. Hes pretty fucking intelligent, holds his place on the council, and has a fuck ton of magi-tech.In a cut throat empire like that, lasting that long is an accomplishment

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>>49706614
as far as I know, no, the combat happens with the models in contact, at the end of the turn, you get to reassemble your unit to fill in the front rank and so on, at least, I think

>this post

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Threads are dead because there is no TWW updates.

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ARISE MY DEAD THREAD!

>>49705163

God I'm so happy they're bring back the old models. I was always shocked they even discontinued those Tomb King ones when they were so new.

Looking forward to finally getting some Dwarf miners, Dark Elf bolt throwers and best of all a hell cannon.

May even pick some special characters up since there's no telling if they'll get squatted in the future.

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>be an elf
>send about 3 different warmachine hunters after an ironblaster cannon
>they all die because lul toughness out the wazoo

>>49706038
For Lizardmen it would be Kroq-Gar who is credited in killing thousands of enemy heroes/lords in the 9000 something years he has been alive. And lorewise Saurus got stronger and tougher as the get older so by virtue of the being the oldest one still alive he is by default the strongest. Shame though that it isn't represented in his actual stats.

>>49706614
You only remove from the back of the unit, unless a character or champ is killed in wich they are removed & rank and file members step in.
If you have a unit in the flank (or the rear) they are still removed from the last rank. With rear charges in cases of uneven ranks the defending unit fills the gap

>>49706614
I'd say it's a 3-way tie with the Skaven. Like you said, political intrigue and backstabbing are the only indicators of power that matter in Skaven society, but I think luck has something to do with it too. So in a weird way I think Thanquol is up there, just by virtue of knowing how to play the game.
As far as "best fighter," in the contemporary sense? Probably Queek Headtaker. Love that little fucker.

Where can I find official pictures (the pictures from the webstore) of squatted miniatures from Fantasy? It's easy for 40k because Lexicanum preserves them, but not the fantasy ones.

>>49708545
Has this been confirmed? I thought it was just gossip at this moment. Do you have a soutvr that verifies it?

>>49709309
the warhammer wiki may be shitty, but it usually has the relating model pictures

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/

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>rules for all editions are easy to find
>totally-not-WHFB rule sets are common
>recasts and alternate minis are plentiful
>but nobody fucking plays

I think I'm running warhammer fantasy roleplay wrong. It's 2e and we've been playing for 19 sessions and nobody has died. The number of critical hits the party has taken have been max 3, total. I'm not sure why they're succeeding so well, but I'm fairly certain it's because I'm not being hard enough on them?

Ideas?

>>49709363
An official Games Workshop store (Salisbury I think) posted the announcement on their Facebook. They have since confirmed that it is true.

There are two caveats though. When they say 'all models' we have no idea what this really means. Could be stuff from a year ago, could be stuff from the 1990's. Molds cost a fortune to retool, so it's going to be dependent on what's still usable.

Secondly, it will cost more. Print on demand is always quite a bit more expensive.

>>49709527
I think the problem is that if people do play, they just don't talk about it in general. It's not like the 40k general, which is entirely devoted to play, since so much 'lore discussion' happens in other random threads.

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Have Grave Guard ever used halberds before? Also, how is it that Iron Age level pre-Sigmar tribal dudes were able to get their hands on thick honkin' plate armor and then be buried with it forever?

>>49712470
>Have Grave Guard ever used halberds before?
officially? not
>how is it that Iron Age level pre-Sigmar tribal dudes were able to get their hands on thick honkin' plate armor and then be buried with it forever?
Simple solid "plate" armor is not that new, fully articulated plate armor is a different matter

Also, all grave guards have been at some point notable warriors and nobles, which meant valuable equipment to be buried with, general soldiers from those times are simple skeletons

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>>49712470
Real world Myceneans had something like plate armor, and breastplates are something that most every civilization has developed in some form. Even Native Americans occasionally had copper breastplates, or wood or shell armor.

The reason they weren't disturbed is because not only would they sometimes rise and defend themselves, but their tombs are generally considered cursed or sacred.

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>>49706682
>>49708879
here the expert pic I was trying to convey, but I think I get it now, just remove from the opposite side ect, as long as it stays in contact. Wondering how if goes if flanked from both sides (or if it even matters and just count the unit as fucked anyway.

Thanks for answers.

>>49706038
Empire- Schwarzhelm or Helborg unless you count Valten

Bretonnia- green knight

Chaos warriors- Archaon

Chaos daemons- kbandtha

Orcs- Grimgor

Skaven- Queek or the death master

Lizardmen- Kroq-gar

Dwarfs- gotrek

High elves- Tyrion

Dark elves- Kouran

Wood eves- Orion

Vampires- abhorash

Tomb kings- Settra

Ogres- Bragg the gutsman

Beastmen- khazrak

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>>49712470
If you're implying those axes are halberds, they're not.

>>49709527
>>49711830
Yeah, get your ass to the alternate wargaming general thread.

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>>49708545
I just want my Brets. Out of all things I could possibly hope for, I just want my damn Brets

>>49715052
I want updated Bretonnian knights. So badly. I want to paint all the heraldry forever.

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>>49715157
>>49715538
Feels too gloomy for what I think of Bretonnia as.

Speaking of Brets, what are some of the best alternatives for Knights of the Realm? I know Fireforge has Teutonic Knights, but their head dresses aren't silly enough.

>>49715538
>>49715157
What did Radjoavor do Bretonnian art for?

>>49716018
>2015
>Sega

I'm going to guess Total War.

I want to finally get into the tabletop scene soon and start a Warhammer army if this Made To Order is legit. But I'm torn between my beloved Bretonnia or the Empire with their badass Knights of the Blazing Sun

>>49715581
I don't see what's so gloomy about it. It's autumn in both pics, sure, but it's still bright, there's lots of high towers and stuff.

>>49716115
Yeah, it was Total War.

Best magic user from each race?

>>49716547
So you don't care much about the army itself, you are deciding based on the individual units? If that's the case, examine the units you like the most from each army, pros and cons. Is it just the sculpts? The themes?

>>49717622
Empire- Gelt

Bretonnia- Fay enchantress

High elves- Teclis

Dark elves- Morathi or malekith

Wood elves- Ariel

Skaven- thanquol unless you count daemons too, then it's verminking

Warriors of chaos- villitch

Lizardmen- mazdamundi, Kroak if you count dead characters

Tomb kings- Khatep or Arkhan

Vampire counts- Mannfred

Beastmen- malagor

daemons of chaos- kairos Fateweaver

Orcs- Wurzhag

Ogres- skragg the slaughterer

>>49709309
Lost Miniatures Wiki.

Has everything. Even companies that only made like ten models. Tracks if another company bought the mold too.

>>49709527
I'm busy painting.

Why doesn't anyone here chat about models anymore? They do in 40k threads.

>>49718594
>Warriors of chaos- villitch

Archaon defeated villitch, and only he had the sorcerous might, among all those who serve Chaos, to take control over a Wind of Magic. Not just any Wind of Magic, it was the Wind of Heavens which is the bane of Chaos. He ripped it out of the Incarnate Karl/Sigmar and banished away.

Also there is the fact that he claimed the Ghal Maraz from Valten. Ghal Maraz's holy presence is extremely for those touched by Chaos. Servants of Chaos can hardly look at its radiance. Archaon held it in his hands and spent days on end examining it and gently stroking it. This indicates that Archaon's magic resistance and wards are absolute.

>daemons of chaos-

It's Be'lakor.

>>49714623
>Dark elves- Kouran

Bitch please.

It's Malekith.

>>49718615
Because people can't handle a good roast :^)

>>49717622
Wurzzag
Arkan the Black, if we're not counting Nagash himself
One of the Chaos Dwarf Sorcerers
Tzarina Kazarin
Alarielle
Skrag the Slaughterer
Lord Kroak
Morathi

>>49718860
Malekith outranks Morathi as a magic user. Old canon is he was able to harness the power of the Old Ones, new canon was him being the master of Shadow magic. Morathi doesn't have a purpose outside of being a Chaos Elf.

Teclis outranks Alarielle I think.

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How many generations of incest and living the cannibalistic lifestyle are required until humans are considered Ghouls?

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>>49718860
>Morathi

Malekith defeated Morathi in a magic duel. (picture related).

>One of the Chaos Dwarf Sorcerers

Were very shitty going by what we saw of them.

>>49718894
It's not the incest or the cannibalism (not directly) that turns them into Ghouls. It's Dark Magic.

Men who became Ghouls lived in areas where Dark Magic was a abundant. Also they fed on the carrion and the long dead. Corpses overtime gather a soak a lot of dark magic so eating them transfers the dark magic to the eater and mutates him. How fast the transformation/mutation depends on how much dark magic the subject is exposed to.

Cannibalism itself is okay as long as you stick to the freshly killed. (See Sigvald).

>>49718896
It looks more like he got his ass handed to him in a magic duel until he got lucky with a punch. Most of his spells didn't work against her at all, and her spells kept on fucking him over.

Why was there a male Dark Elf sorcerer? Aren't those banned due to a prophecy?

>>49718975
Malekith casted "FIST" which is the best spell in existence with no counter.

>Why was there a male Dark Elf sorcerer? Aren't those banned due to a prophecy?

This is a flashback set before the schism.

>>49718615
Hopefully it'll pick up on the 15th. I'm so psyched for Brets, it's not even funny.

Do people know of other lists for random battle scenerios that arnt in the BRB?

Guess I'll ask while I'm here as well. Excuse the disgusting lack of knowlege. I havent touched my 8th ed army books in a very long time:

I use battle scribe to make army lists recently, and it has all this "end times shit". I get end times leads to the end of 8th and into fantasy marines, but am I supposed to find books on these extra units or somthing? Or is it part of fan made 9th ed stuff?

>>49721843
Check the OP for the ET books.
T9A is its own thing.

>>49721843
9e isn't a fan-made thing, its a new game.

In the sense that it entirely replaces rather than adding.

I'm looking for ways to do cobblestone/brick basing for my Mordheim warband, anyone got any ideas?

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>>49718997
You can argue that Malekith won the overall fight, and honestly it is good to not rely totally on magic and know your other options. That's part of the reason why I think he's managed to hold on for so long.

But in a magical sense, he was completely rekt by his mother. He lost the magic duel but won the fight.

>>49724208
if you get gud at it, foam gives good results

for a less regular look, lot's of glue and gravel?

>>49718594
>Teclis

It's Caledor.

>>49718692
>This indicates that Archaon's plot armor and chaoswank is absolute.

>>49724616
Caledor is stuck in limbo, he doesn't really count. I just went on current characters

>>49724402
Makekith is neither the greatest fighter nor the most powerful magic user among his people, but he is the only one who is really good at both. In every fight against quality opponents he uses magic and melee in a combination that no one ese really has

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Anyone got any suggestions for a goblin shaman's spell list for WFRP 2e? There's a 'shaman' spell list in the OWB, but it blows total chunks.

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Is there a lore reason behind Bret's obsession with fleur de lis or is it just because they're based on medieval French?

>>49718894

Incest has nothing to do with becoming a ghoul. Matter of fact, neither does being a cannibal.

These are humans who have no individuality or conscience. According to the Nehekharans, this was enough to make an 'undead' even though the individual body is 'alive.'

>>49725724
Cannibalism seems to almost always be tied to the transformation, though. I've never heard of how it specifically happens.

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>>49726002

There are seven bindings in all sentient living things according to the Nehekharans:

Kha - Physical body
Ka - Abstract thought
Ba - Subconscience; emotion
Ab - Conscience morality
Sekhem - Life energy
Ren - Really weird, but described like the individual. The very notion of 'self' according to the universe. Destroying Ren made the whole world forget who you are.
Khaibit - Actual shadow. Best indicator of mortality, or being affected by time. According to this, gods have no shadows.

So ghouls have no Ren or Ab, but have the rest and are still considered undead. Cannibalism is such a mentally damaging act that it drains a being of individuality and morality.

Likely, morality goes first, overwritten by survival instincts. Followed by the cannibalism, which drives the individual out of the Kha once the person goes insane.

Is there an RPG version of WH Fantasy? Like Dark Heresy for 40k? do we have a pdf of it?

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>>49726553
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, bro. 2nd edition is best edition, OPs got the link.

>>49726645
>OPs got the link
God damnit, the OP was the first thing I checked, how could I have missed it?

Thanks

>>49714464
You still remove from the last rank untill the rank is removed completely

>>49726645
>2nd edition is best edition

What exactly are the differences between 1e and 2e? They seem pretty similar. Does 2e just have more careers to roll up on?

>>49714623
P sure Gothor, Arkhan and Malekith are more powerful than Khazrak, settra and kouran

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>>49724789
Yeah, but the question was about the greatest magic-users among the races, so Malekith won't count.

>>49725588
The French thing is blatantly obvious, but the in-universe reason is that lilies will pop up in places said to have been visited by the Lady, so they've become strongly associated with her worship.

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>>49726950
The big problem with 1e is that all endgame characters, and even most of the early game characters, all play the same. And wizards suck dick in 1e. This was fixed in 2e.

The only really bad thing about 2e is that priests (Divine wizards) are nerfed all to hell until very late in the game. Easily houseruled with +1 Magic characteristic like actual wizards have.

>>49726950
the system is more elegant in 2ed
>in 1e you use all de dice set for the sake of using them (it was because at the time it was more popular to use all the set)
>in 2e you use only two D10

and fluff in 2nd is more up to date
1e have weid DnD thing that don't really fit in

>>49724970
I haven't looked at the spell list in question. What makes it so bad?

>>49727050
i think you didn't understand priest in 2nd ^^'
they are not suposed to blast like wizard they are a magic/social or magic/warrior class not full magic user

>>49726229
Not the guy you're replying to but source on that info? That seems extremely detailed and I'm surprised I haven't seen it before.

>>49727050
>>49727132
So wait, should I houserule +1 Magic for priests or not?

>>49727072
>fluff in 2nd is more up to date
But it is still out of date. 2e takes place immediately after the Storm of Chaos, which by now has been ruled non-canon repeatedly.

My group gets around this by setting our games before 2522, ignoring SoC/End Times, or both.

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Anyone got cool witch hunter art?

>>49727182
depend if you play dnd in warhammer world yes
if you play warhammer no
in warhammer wizard are feared at best hated often so if you play a balanced game with intrigue ,mysterie and donjon wizard will be disadvantaged in 2third of the game on the other hand priest are liked by almost everyone and their magic is safer

>>49727205
by up to date i mean: no gnome no firegoblin ,water goblin no lisardmen in the old world

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>>49727216

So I'm debating between giving my lvl4 of life the book that gives him the extra spell or the Grounding Staff

So what's everyone's favorite Fantasy novel? So far, the only books I've found that I like are the Gotrek and Felix series.

>>49714623

>Kouran

What would make anyone ever think this?

The guys entire life was spent getting jobbed by Tyrion. He finally gets the spotlight he deserves in End Times until he is ultimately jobbed again against, surprise surprise, Tyrion again.

If anything, it would be tied with Malekith or Tullaris, seeing as the latter is probably the only dark elf to fight on par (unaided by magic shenanigans so this disqualifies Shadowblade) and significantly wound Tyrion.

>>49730632
The second Nagash book or the first End Times book

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Have you given thanks to your Tzarina today?

>>49731736

Damn she's ugly.

>>49731501
What are you talking about Kouran never met Tyrion in the End Times.

Is WFRP's combat basically just WFB's skirmish rules? When I'm reading the books, I always just assume this and skip over the section.

>>49730632
Best WHF novel I've ever read is The Burning Shore. The author read the first-hand account of a conquistador conquering Mexico alongside Cortez and Warhammer'd it, even keeping the army composition the same. It's got amazing, flavorful depictions of life on a ship during the voyage to Lustria, and you can even feel the cloying, humid heat of the jungle.

I used to be an English major for what it's worth.

>>49724789
>>49724402
>>49727046
That was before Morathi completed his training. This was before his betrayal.

>>49731736
first art I've seen of the Frost Queen

>>49732382
He stalemates Valkia, and reks pretty much everyone who faces him. That is until he meets Alith Anar, who BTFO him badly. Alith Anar is probably right behind Tyrion in terms of sheer fighting prowess. If we're talking high elves, i say it goes

Tyrion
Alith Anar
Eltharion
Imrik
Korhil

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is this complete shit or just subpar listcrafting for WE 8th ed
for 2000pts

Spellweaver lvl4 life/high

spellsinger lvl2 shadow/beast

Glade Captain

10-20 Eternal Guard (full cmd shield)

Two units of 15-16 Glade guard (full cmd or just champ/musician im not sure yet), hagbane

Two units of 5 waywatchers

3 Warhawk riders

Treeman

after commands, deciding the amount of eternal guard and items this list ought to be around 2k and legal for 8.5ed

>>49736769
i should mention that I do feel that i have too much invested in characters but I always feel like Magic superiority is instrumental

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Anyone here interested in 9th age?
Next update is coming soon and I got spoilered with one of the things that will change: army composition.

At the moment there is lot's of '0-x' choices or 'can't take x if you have y' shit to keep shooting and monsters balanced. Seems like they want to drop that in favour of army specific composition rules.
>Lords + Heroes > % depends on army
>Total Characters > % depends on army
>Core > Minimum % depends on army
>special as much as you like
>NO RARE but ONE OR MORE army specific slots

Thoughts? On the one hand I like it because it makes armies more diverse and might finally balance monsters and artillery by putting them in extra slots. Then again it complicates the game even further making it less acceccible. Also how well it works will depend on the new % not being poorly thought out, previous lists destroying shit.

>>49736924
Good lord, is that Tomb Kings? Or generic Egyptian undead? I don't see anything one way or the other but I love it. Source?

Apologies for not contributing to the discussion, I don't know anything about 9e, but your pic really caught my eye

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Are the Marks of Chaos and the eight-pointed Chaos star known symbols among common men in the Old World?

I'm building a Pit Fighters warband for Mordheim using Chaos models. I want to fluff them as escaped slaves from Troll Country/Kislev that unknowingly were used for Khorne worship by their masters, but that idea is kind of stupid if their iconography would instantly be recognized as heresy as soon as they entered the pits by commoners, scholars or off-duty soldiers.

>>49737914
Yes the classic ones are known and will get you into trouble fast.

>>49736924

Yeah I keep up with it.

This sounds like an improvement. I have two hobgoblin bolt throwers from the good old days and could never use more than 1.

>>49738690
Even more subtle applications, like one half of a Mark as a detail on an axe head or vambrace?

>>49737914
You could use some home made iconography containing eight of something containing some of the other key-things to Khorne such as Skulls, brazz, axes and/or blood.

>>49737914
>>49740657

Calling them "Bloody Axes of Eight" with their sigil being a blood-drenched fasces.

>Enter WHFB tournament at weekend
>Whole day of amazing battles
>mfw I have a shitload of fun

Wish there was an easier way of finding tournaments and WHFB events. The warhammer.org forum is now closed to new members, and the wargames listing isn't 100%. Where do you find out about events? Or give a shoutout to whatever your local is.

>>49727149
Liber Necris, written by Mannfred after he returns from Nehekhara but before he begins his plots anew in the Old World.

>>49727149

It's actually really fucking neat how it helps make the distinction between zombies, aimated skeletons, wraiths and more by giving each of them a certain number of these bindings. God tier worldbuilding imo.

>>49736924
The way you describe it sounds confusing but I'm excited for change nonetheless.

I really hope they consider how poorly the game scales below 1.5k and above 3k, primarily with 2d6 winds of magic and one per army 12" general/BSB.

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>>49727216
Certainly

>>49741374
I miss GW's old "In world" fluff books like Liber Necris. The Witch Hunter's Handbook, Blood on the Reik and the 40k Infantryman's Uplifting Primer are the best, but they are all good.

I have pdf's of most of them

>>49738745
>>49744034
Well, I'm a fucking idiot. They already officially announced the changes that I thought I had insider knowledge on. See for yourself.

>http://www.the-ninth-age.com/news/index.php?news/450-the-9th-scroll/

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>>49744183
Also taking pic and comic requests

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>>49744211

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NEW MAN O WAR TRAILERS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRrxSCIT-xc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJIzl_DFuM

>>49744211
Any comics, if you don't mind.

>>49736924
I'm p excited, I don't know if the character restrictions will really affect my beastmen much. I am more curious about the changes to the lores

>>49744183
>he doesn't read Regimental Standard
Oh, Gropey.

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>>49744612
This game will eventually allow me to bring Change to the seas as a sickass warrior-sorceror of Tzeentch right?

>>49744211
and I'm requesting cool Tzeentch stuff

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>>49744972
Yes. Pic related.

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>>49744626
Will do!

>>49744931
Not really, as I am not much into 40k anymore. Haven't been since highschool.

>>49744972
Have a Tzeentchy comic!

"The Carnival of Change" 1/6

Anyone have the MEGA download for the fantasy books? My computer somehow deleted my books marks.

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>>49745076
"The Carnival of Change" 2/6

>>49745089
I mean the novels , not the army books, to clarify.

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>>49745095
"The Carnival of Change" 3/6

>>49745089
>>49745101
I second, but does anyone have them in PDF, or only in Ebook?

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>>49745122
"The Carnival of Change" 4/6

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>>49745131
"The Carnival of Change" 5/6

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>>49745174
"The Carnival of Change" 6/6

>>49745193
So...he was a Tzeentchian Bloodletter?

>>49745193
spectacular, do you have any older art of tzeentch-dedicated Warriors?

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>>49745258
>>49745258
What? Not all thorny-spiky demon types are Khorne.

>>49745269
Maybe. I'll dig in my files. He's not exactly known for his warriors...

>>49744612
I dig it. Haven't bought it yet, because, you know, early access, but it's looking a lot like a seaborne, Warhammer version of Mount & Blade. Interesting and promising.

>>49745193
Thanks, you always have the best material for these threads. I particularly love the comics - do you know where they were originally published?

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Hey guys I want to model a human mercenary group for Mordheim but I'm not that knowledgeable about the rules. Could anyone post a decent beginning group so I could model with wysiwyg? Nothing ridiculously OP please. While I doubt I'll ever get a chance to use them I would like them to be fair and playable.

I have more than enough bits for any weapon/armor combinations.

>>49724208
This is an early attempt of mine with greenstuff.

Why weren't there any imperial ogres in the rules? We had chaos ogres, should have also had some for the empire. Also, if Giants are willing to mercenary for orcs, ogres, beastmen and chaos warriors, why don't they do it for the more civilized races?

>>49748095
>Giants

I think you mean Aleguzzeler Gargants my friend.

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>>49748624
Wrong thread, m8.

So is there any way to use penanggalan in Warhammer? I got the Malifaux model for one just because it was cool but it'd be a neat proxy.

They're south Asian vampires. Basically a person, always seems to be a woman, who seems normal during the day but at night they sit down to relax and their head lifts off their body with their organs and spinal cord, flying around the countryside. There's different versions of the story depending on country, but the basic versions are that they help pregnant women but kill everyone else, or prey exclusively on pregnant women. Parts of Vietnam use them as a superhero/boogyman who kills criminals.

According to liber necris, vampires are immune to chaos because they exist solely on the material plane. Their entire soul is bound to their corporeal form so they have no warp reflection for the gods to toy with. Not if sure if tomb kings have the same deal going in with them, it doesn't explicitly state anything about them.

>>49731736
Was she or was she not fucked by Beastmen in the End Times?

>>49748095
one of the big unspoken "empire rules" in the game is no monsters (gryphons being the only exception because >noble beasts)

There are giants in the Empire and many ogres too, but they are not represented in the game, only in the lore

of course, then cock riders/demigryphs came and shat all over everything flavorful about the Empire, so you could just proxy Ogres as them?

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I hate magic with a passion, what's the best career for WFRP 2e that counters magic users or at least make it annoying for them fighting me.

>>49748883
what the fuck am I reading?!

Lahmian vampires may be the closest thing

>>49750450
Ogre mecenaries have been a thing for the Empire for quite some time.

>>49750457
How about stop spoiling everyone else's fun?

Apart fron that there are no careers that make you better against some things rather than others, so your first and only possible choice is be a dwarf or a halfling.

You might be a dwarf runesmith and specialise in anti-magic runes and wards, but good luck at creating those before your third career

https://youtu.be/W3h95GetPDs

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/404015/

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/404014/#

>>49726229
I can imagine a pretty good thief/assasin that lost his Ren somehow

>>49748883
you know chaos and warp and stuff

Perhaps a mother that was killed and tortured when she was pregnant, but her will to have a child was so strong she had herself ressurected

>>49751869
>>49752037
>>49752013
Is there any kind of GOTY version of any Total War game?

I'm pretty sure that even few months after release, the DLCs cost more then a base game

>>49752013
>>49752037

As someone who is primarily a Dwarf/Greenskin fan and player, I am very pleased.

>>49747086
I'm no expert but I'll give my two cents after having read through the rulebook a couple of times and played a few sessions recently.

Mordheim is focused on the narrative experience and having fun rather than competitive gameplay. That's not to say that it's unbalanced, but there are a number of pitfalls and you could accidentally create cheesy lists (the tl;dr to that is basically "don't go 100% ranged"). Either way, you should pick a warband you like the fluff/aesthetic of first and foremost.

The base rulebook mercenaries are very similar and you basically choose between specializing in melee with Middenheim, ranged with Reikland and generalist with Marienburg.
Outside of the main rulebook warbands, there are the Averlanders, Ostlanders and Kislevites.
Averlanders are ranged specialists who replace melee-focused champions with bowmen trappers and can hire halfling scouts instead of swordsmen.
Ostlanders are a drunken redneck family with double-barreled guns that have to waste their money on the flashiest item they can find before anything else, who get a forest/beast priest instead of youngbloods, drunkards instead of swordsmen and can't recruit hired swords but can instead hire an ogre.
Kislevites are not!Russians/Polacks with access to vodka and a trained bear, they have no swordsmen and get fewer marksmen but instead have a halberd+handgun "gun rest" combo.

You want to start off with as many Heroes as you can, as those are the ones that get to search for wyrdstone between games. Don't invest a lot into armour when starting out, helmets are fine on more valuable models but light/heavy armour is super expensive for what you get, only consider it on your leader at first. Bucklers are good in combination with certain weapons but shields aren't great until you get the aforementioned armour to stack up your save so that your shield doesn't get ignored by S4 base, S3+halberd, S3+axe etc.

>>49747086
>>49752638
Dual wielding is the norm when starting out.
Every model gets one dagger free, but other than that daggers are kind of shit.
Mace/hammer/club (they're all the same ruleswise) or axe should be your go-to cheap weapons and can be dual wielded effectively with anything.
Swords are your expensive option with better defense, dual swords are pointless on anything but swordsmen.
Cheap option for dual wielding would be club+free dagger for 3gc, regular option is any combination of clubs and axes for 6-10gc and rich man's option with better defense would be sword+club or sword+axe for 13/15gc.

Non-dual wielding options primarily give you better defense or more strength.
Club/axe+buckler is the cheaper defensive option instead of club/axe+sword.
Sword+buckler gives you better parrying but you're investing a lot into an unreliable form of defense.
Spear+buckler (shield on henchmen) is kind of expensive but is useful for suicide tactics to let those models stand in front and take the brunt of charges.
Morning stars (one-handed flail style, not spiked-ball-on-a-stick style), halberds and 2H weapons are a bit weak when starting out but become considerably better when models gain experience and get more base attacks (which also makes dual wielding weaker).
Morning star+buckler is expensive but a decent balance between offense and defense. +1S in the first turn is less useful than it first seems, since most fights are drawn out as models miss, get knocked down/stunned, new models join the fray on both sides etc.
Halberds are the go-to strength weapon early on, they're cheap enough and always work.
2H weapons are subpar at first, they'll get focused down by the opponent and many times won't get to strike. They become amazing once you get the Strongman skill which lets you ignore "always strikes last". They are slightly better on Middenheimers who start out with S4 and therefore get S6 in total, meaning that models with S3 can't parry their attacks.

>>49747086
>>49752638
>>49752748
For ranged weapons, bows and crossbows are your go-to when starting out. You should not invest in bows/crossbows for your melee dudes at first, only once you have cash flow and you already have ranged superiority. Similarly, don't spend too much on melee weapons for ranged dudes at first. Start out with club+free dagger, or a sword for better defense if you're feeling spendy.
Bow is the standard option. Longbow is +50% cost for +25% range which is alright but too expensive at first. If you have shooting superiority, you will control where the fighting happens and the 6" shorter range won't matter too much.
Crossbows are very expensive, but S4 and 30" range is nothing to fuck with. Move or fire is not as bad as it seems, since there's no maximum turn limit you have time to set up in a perch and create firing lanes for your opponent to deal with.
Handguns are worse crossbows in every way except against models with 5+ save or better, which is rare when starting out. Needs the Hunter skill, and then only when you know you're facing armoured foes.
Blunderbusses and hunting rifles are silly and fun with niche uses, but nothing to consider early on.
Pistols and duelling pistols are great, but shouldn't be considered ranged weapons. To use them, you're placing yourself in charge range of your opponent.
They are an amazing luxury item for dual wielders though, who either get to make a pot shot right before the fighting begins, or get to make an off-hand shot in the first round of combat. Models can carry their free dagger, up to 2 melee weapons and up to 2 ranged weapons, so it's a pure bonus to them.
Whether you buy them early on is up to you, they're costly but not much more so than other options and should be considered a risky offensive option for dual wielders. You're basically deciding between the cheaper "2 melee weapons now, pistol later" or the more expensive "1 melee weapon+free dagger+pistol now, better melee weapons later".

>>49709831
Are your players having fun? If yest then do nothing.
In WFRP one lucky hit can kill anything, so risk will always be there in the back

>>49718594
>Empire- Gelt
You clearly meant:
Supreme patriarch Volans, possibly only known human to see magic as elves see it.

>>49750199
Considering they regenerate in Nehekhara if killed like Settra that one time with Chaos Warriors, I'd say yes.

>>49750335
Not.

She froze herself and all of Kislev plus the attacking Chaos troops into a giant wall of ice.

>>49750473
>>49752354
Cool, thanks.

Vampires seemed pretty well established in how they work, so I wasn't sure if it was too outlandish.

I'll probably run her as a Lahmian character.

>>49752372
On larger Steam sales they usually bundle older games with all of their DLC super cheap.

So for the PC master race, you can wait a year or two and get a $60 game with $50 of DLC for like $30 at Christmas, Halloween if horror or spooky-themed, mid summer, or sporadically through the year as the entire catalog of a specific publisher goes on sale.

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>>49752037
Is that Bugman's Rangers? Fuck yes.

>>49714623

Malekith is more powerful than Kouran.
Malus and Shadowblade might be too.

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>>49754488
>>49752037
>>49752385
Also: http://store.steampowered.com/app/404015/
YT mirror trailer for the main DLC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3h95GetPDs

>>49755045
Those squigs look great. Surprised though, the dlc description doesn't list them with armor piercing, which I would've expected of squigs.

>>49753215
No I meant Gelt, Volans had been dead for at least 200 years and I was only counting living characters.

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> Ulthuar’s Rangers (Rangers w/Great Weapons)
> Peak Gate Guard (Hammerers)
> Gob-Lobber (Grudge Thrower)
> Skyhammer (Gyrobomber)
> Ekrund Miners (Miners w/Blasting Charges)
> Warriors of Dragonfire Pass (Dwarf Warriors)
> The Skolder Guard (Irondrakes)
> Norgrimling’s Ironbreakers (Ironbreakers)
> Dragonback Slayers (Slayers)
> The Old Grumblers (Longbeards w/Great Weapons)
> Da Rusty Arrers (Night Goblin Archers)
> Moon-Howlers (Goblin Wolf Riders)
> Deff Creepers (Goblin Spider Riders)
> Teef Robbers (Goblin Wolf Chariot)
> Morgrub’s Mangy Marauders (Goblin Wolf Archers)
> Hammer Of Gork (Goblin Rock Lobber)
> Durkit’s Squigs (Night Goblin Squig Hoppers)
> Da Eight Peaks Loonies (Nigh Goblin Fanatics)
> Broken Tusks Mob (Orc Boar Boy Big ‘Uns)
> Krimson Killerz (Black Orcs)
> Da Warlord’s Boyz (Night Goblins)
> Venom Queen (Arachnarok Spider)

All of the Grim & Grave regiments were from Sigmar's Blood, but these new ones seem more obscure. I know the Gob-Lobber is from older edition(s) but that's about it. Anyone have a clue?

>>49734180
>The Burning Shore
Sounds terrific, I'll look it up!

>>49734180
Any chance you can make a recommended reading list for Black Library?

>>49752874
>>49752748
>>49752638

Shit man thanks. Saving for future reference.

Mind posting the warband you're currently playing and how it's fairing against the others?

>>49760514
No problem.

I play Skaven, here's the warband I started out with at 485gc:
Assassin adept with weeping blades and throwing stars
Eshin sorcerer with fighting claws
2x black skaven with spear and buckler
2x night runners with slings
2x verminkin with club and shield
2x verminkin with sword and shield

The throwing stars, shields and bucklers weren't really worth it but I wanted to keep it WYSIWYG.
From there on, besides replacing casualties, I've given one black skaven a halberd, light armour and helmet and the other sword, light armour and buckler (mostly to be able to use the awesome stormvermin models) and I've increased the club group to 3 members and created a new verminkin group with 1 spear+shield.
Future plans are to increase the amount of henchmen until I get close to the cap, start handing out light armour and helmets to the henchmen and searching for warplock pistols for a night runner with Weapons Expert.

I've lost most of my matches but always managed to get away relatively unscathed (poor leadership means that the game often ends on my involuntarily rout), and being able to start out with 6 heroes to search for wyrdstone means that I've gotten lots of gold so my warband is steadily improving.
I think I currently have the highest warband rating with 160ish, two of my opponents have 150ish (one of which had to restart because of horrible losses), one has 100ish (albeit with less games played) and there are a couple that haven't started playing yet (initial rating is around 70-100 depending on the warband).

>>49760993
>Assassin adept with weeping blades and throwing stars
>Eshin sorcerer with fighting claws
>2x black skaven with spear and buckler
>2x night runners with slings
>2x verminkin with club and shield
>2x verminkin with sword and shield
No Giant Rats? Also that's pretty tame as far as Skaven list goes. My last campaign with Skaven had Rat Ogre in the starting roster. It's a bit of a gamble, because you can lose tons of money in couple crits, but the thing is a goddamn rapetrain, especially early on when vast majority of the stuff it will be facing is S3 T3.

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>>49750450
>There are giants in the Empire
While this would make sense, I have read zero confirming accounts. This is the first time I'm hearing of it. Calling BS.

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>>49761311

>>49761130
Not a big fan of models that don't earn experience, and it's a casual group so I didn't want to use potential cheese with slingspam and/or a rat ogre. He feels more appropriate as an end goal rather than a starting point.

>>49753080
>Are your players having fun? If yest then do nothing.
>In WFRP one lucky hit can kill anything, so risk will always be there in the back
They're loving it, but it feels wrong. The only thing I can think of is that I typically don't create very strong enemies. The players just think I memorize stats, but in reality I just make up a target number and decide how many hits they take with pointless rolling for show. Maybe I should stop that.

>>49755212
>which I would've expected of squigs.
Why would you expect this of squigs? I'm not a greenskin player, but it doesn't make sense to me.They're just small toothy animals.

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Is there any fluff detailing crusades?

>>49757787
Where is that screenshot from? And what is it? It can't be from the new DLC because it's all DnG stuff, but I don't recognize that unit

>>49761359
Well. Color me impressed. I'd like to see this more involved in the background.

Actually I'd just like to see the background still exist.

>>49761677
Crappy mod from steam workshop.

>>49761508
SIGMAR VULT

>>49758858
>>49759556
Hmmm, I could try, but it would take a while. Honestly some of my favorite Warhammer Fantasy books are the splatbooks for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. There is just so much expository background in them, complete with neat little anecdotes, quotes, stories, and just plain trivia, often about aspects of the world that are rarely or never touched on in other media.

>>49761359
Makes sense the Empire would be able to recruit Giants. They're not bright and just want food and a chance to use their strength.

>>49762569
Well, the 40kfags have their recommended reading list. People here keep trying to put them together but it seems like nobody who has actually read most of the catalog has much to say about them.

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>>49715588
The closest historical equivalent of the silly head dresses would be parade and jousting garb. There aren't any historical minis that I know of that aren't large display pieces, as cheap minis to spam boards with tend to be military in nature; Polish hussars are the exception as they only come in parade gear due to historical depiction problems. TL;DR: your gonna have to kit bash that shit son.


Spanish warhammer copies to the rescue, sadly no ponies but hey if you are getting into 9th age they are perfect because they have rules for dismounted knights:
http://norbaminiatures.com/es/product-category/miniaturas/bretones/

Wargame factory has some knights with hats:
some of their foot knights are perfect if they were riding horses again ;_;
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/medieval/early-medieval-barons-wars

these ones are too "late" but they have the best head dresses
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/pike-and-shot/renaissance/knights/

I do love the Vernon Roche head of perry men at arms but again empire proxies. Unless you want to make a bullshit story of how your lord's fiefdom is near a empire armory guild(?) center and trades a lot of wine for armor.

>>49727034
As individual combatants, I agree.

Arkhan was able to cutdown what are essentially demigods and super human Nehekaran Kings before the destruction of the covenant in the time of legends books.

Only really bested by Abhorash, but it's fucking Abhorash and human Vlad Von Carstein pulling a fucking pistol on him.

why don't dorf rangers use thunderers?

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>>49763190
Just goes to show.

It takes two of the strongest men to do something that one vagina could accomplish.

>>49727034
Gorthor is dead but he would be the most powerful beastman warrior. Malekith is better than Kouran overall, but Kouran might be a more skilled combatant. Shadow blade is probably the best solo fighter on the dark elf roster. He was able to go toe to toe with incarnate malekith, and only lost because Malekiths connection to shadow gave him a massive advantage he normally wouldn't have.

Settra>Arkhan. They're about even, with Settra being a better fighter and being stronger, while Arkhan is better at magic. Every time they fought it ended in a draw with Arkhan submitting to Settra. Until the endtimes, when Settra finally settles the score and BTFOs Arkhan

>>49764313
She didnt do much after taking the silver pinnacle. She just hooked up with Arkhan once ever 500 or so years

>>49764607
Idk, Arkhan had a much bigger body count than Settra (or almost any other charachter iirc) during the end times

>>49764954
Having a higher body count doesn't make him a better warrior, their head to head fight determines that and Arkhan lost handily even with the magic superiority.
But, his body count is, iirc
Kemmler
Eltharion
All the victims of the Nagash ritual, who don't really count since they were bound prisoners
Nekaph

Not overly impressive

>>49763780
Gotta be sneaky

>>49761311
For one, there's a giant loading the giant cannon at Nuln

>>49763780
Black powder is hard to come by in the wilderness

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How do i find decent recasters? I looked around on >reddit but they had no way of getting in touch with any, anyone that can help me out?

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Anybody got a PDF of Forge of War?

>>49763780
With a dwarfs skill, they can easily repair their crossbows and make more bolts using foraged materials. Black powder is expensive and rather hard to come by for dwarfs who spend most of their time in the wilderness.

There's absolutely no reason that a ranger can't use a gun. There probably are some that have gone against the norm

>>49761677
/twg/ hates a particular modder named Radious who makes popular mods that rape lore.

>>49705163
> Some people are still SJW-level triggered by End Times

Huh?
the fuck happened to get people upset to that level of butthurt? i havent looked in GW's general direction for the last 5years

>>49765649
that isn't radious tho.

>>49765680
A lot of shit went down without a reason and a lot of characters either died off-screen or suffered a sever case of full retardation

>>49765649
(Very very heavy skirmishers )

yes i'm fucking triggered by "end times" bullshit

the very idea that the fucking EMPIRE which i have been fighting for since early childhood could be defeated by some edgy barbarian shitlord from the hogwarts desert is so pathetic

thanks gw! never buying anything from you again

>>49765702
It's either a parody mod of Radious or some sick fuck.

>>49765621
Seconding for interest

>>49765848
Such as? A basic recap in >greentext would be appreciated.
Thanks

>>49766116
>Malekith was the chosen phoenix king ALL ALONG
>Tyrion goes full retard
>Teclis creates a plan to save the world but makes everything worse
>Gelt is actually a necromancer
>Kislev gets killed offscreen
>Ungrim Ironfist gets killed offscreen
>Thorgrim Grudgebearer gets killed out of the blue by eshin deathmaster
>Gobbla dies
>Queek headtaker dies
>Belegar Ironhammer dies
>Vlad comes back Somehow
>Nagash comes back and wants t be a god
>Settra explodes but then is brought back by the chaos god in exchange for servitude but NOT REALLY
>Valten gets killed by a Verimnlord throwing anus while duelling Archaon
>Karl Franz dies BUT WAIT now he's Sigmar
>All faction's secondary characters die offscreen
>A lot of subplots are started but never developed
>Vampires ally with the Empire to stop Chaos
>Teclis ritual almost succedes but Mannfred goes full retard at the last minute without any reason and fucks it up
>the world dies

here you go

>>49766183
>the world dies

Kek the fuck was GW smoking at that time, did they need a tabula rasa for the newest warhammer edition?

>>49766214
No they squatted Warhammer and came up with Age of Sigmar

>>49766183
You forgot the whole 'dropping morrsleib on Lustria' part.

>>49766246
WHAT?
Does that mean they canned stuff like bloodbowl, mordeheim & co too?
what is age of sigmar?
So basically Chaos won, did the skaven do anything revelant?
damn GW went full retard it s glorious.

>>49766294
>did the skaven do anything revelant?
Dropped the moon on Lustria.

>>49766292
>dropping morrsleib on Lustria
please do tell it seems i have so much to catch on.
i wish i wasnt on duty killing sandpeople when GW pulled that stuff, /tg/ must have been pretty fun.

>>49766294
The skaven blew up morrslieb to kill the lizardmen, then fucked off into some portal

Bloodbowl, Mordheim & Co. are actually getting a relaunch because the New CEO of GW has not the head upp his ass.
Being specialist games they're not bond to the setting.
Buut you can still play the game, if you find the models since many of them were discontinued

>>49766326
So the skaven managed to fuck up the whole world and make it out alive... fucking verminsshit.

>Bloodbowl, Mordheim & Co. are actually getting a relaunch because the New CEO of GW has not the head upp his ass.
Cool, i hope they bring back necromunda too, that was great but it s part the 40k franchise.

>>49766316
>Pretty fun

It really wasn't. They destroyed the setting and replaced it with a dumbed down WoW aestetichs type of game with no point values until recently.
They also replaced the Space Marine statue in front of GW with an Age of Sigmar Ones.
They also killed off Bretonnia and Tomb Kings.

AoS is also the reason why the CEO who came up with the idea got his ass punt on the street

>>49766362
i meant the drama would have been fun from a bystander point of view.

bretonnian, kislev and such were part of the empire, or did they have their own army?
Tomb kings? another faction?
i ve actually checked the last time i played warhammer was in early 2000... fuck times flies by so fast

>>49760993

I've got a Mordheim campaign set up and a group going but my players are lazy af and it's taking them forever to get warbands together. Fucking reeee I wanna play.

>>49766408
Back i took a bit of time reading the end of time storyline.

that was pants on head retard.
Sad to see warhammer gone but glad the one responsible for its death has been fired.

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>>49761702
>>49762654

I really want to see one dressed like a landsknecht now.

>>49766294
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_End_Times

There you go.

>>49766356
Necromunda confirmed.

Man O'War and Battlefleet Gothic are not. Nor is Gorkamorka, Mordheim, or Dreadfleet.

All of the board games and RPGs are over because GW rripped up their contract with FFG.

>>49766408
GW just announced this week that they'll make all OOP models on demand. Meaning much more expensive.

Oh, in AoS Slaanesh got kicked to the curb. His minions are still there and literally wanted to rape Neferata, but Slaanesh got Iron Man 1'd by Dragontaur Malekith, Tyrion the blind, and Teclis.

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What would a Tzeentchian Chaos Warrior army be like on the table-top? Ignorant fluff-lover here

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>>49766183
>>Gelt is actually a necromancer

Through the manipulation of Vlad, he turned to Necromancy to rescue Karl. He wasn't a necromancer and still isn't.

>>Ungrim Ironfist gets killed offscreen

He tried to suicide bomb Archaon.

>>Vlad comes back Somehow

Literally a major piece of the plotline of the first book what do you mean somehow? What the fuck you didn't read the books, did you?

Nagash brings him back by painfully tearing a piece of flesh from Mannfred and breathing Vlad's soul into it

>>Vampires ally with the Empire to stop Chaos

Only Vlad and a few of his brood.

The rest are either killed or corrupted buy Chaos.

>>Teclis ritual almost succedes but Mannfred goes full retard at the last minute without any reason and fucks it up

Lies.

Before the Mannfred did his thing, the ritual was influx. It was far from certain.

It would have been certain had Mannfred decided to help out but alas

>full retard

Remember what Mannfred said?

Paraphrasing : Better be the right hand of anarchy than be a slave to Nagash.

The "Good Guys" fucked him over and betrayed If the "good guys" won, then Mannfred would have no where to go but be a slave to Nagash again or be hunted and killed or worse by the Elves. He had no options in a world saved from Chaos. So he choose to serve the Chaos Gods wish and stop the ritual. I would have done the same if I was in his place. It was the only logical thing to do for someone in his position. However, the Chaos Gods proved to be as generous as usual and gifted Mannfred with crippling madness instead of elevating him for his service.

tl;dr

Mannfred did nothing wrong.

>>49769005
Different person here.

>The rest are either killed or corrupted buy Chaos.

Literally only the Blood Dragons went Chaos. Not Abhorash, just his lieutenant and the generic nameless ones.

Very few Vampires actually died. Fuck, looking at AoS it seems like they only die if Nagash doesn't want to let them come back to life.

As far as deaths on screen or even implied, only Vlad died.
>Before the Mannfred did his thing, the ritual was influx. It was far from certain
>It would have been certain had Mannfred decided to help out but alas
That's the exact same thing, dumbass. Its a binary choice. You either help or hinder. Him walking away would also count as going full retard and fucking it up.

>Paraphrasing : Better be the right hand of anarchy than be a slave to Nagash
>Mannfred did nothing wrong.
Ph, nevermind. You're a contrarian dumbass.

Reminder that AoS invalidates your theory, because Mannfred will never not be Nagash's slave by virtue of Nagash permanently controlling death and the forces that animate the dead. So all he really did was shit the bed.

>>49761508
Not much but in the book I haven't written yet. Or may never write.

>>49765610
don't have it at hand, but look for "Chinaman" email, it's not a store, you'll have to contact him via e-mail with your request

There's likely much better ways, but you'll have to dig into shady Warhammer forums

also
>using reddit for shady business

>>49766326
>The skaven blew up morrslieb to kill the lizardmen
The skaven blew up the moon for it's warpstone, the lizardmen contained the world-wide destruction to Lustria / Southlands (they fucked off to space in their temple cities before that)

>>49769117
>Literally only the Blood Dragons went Chaos. Not Abhorash, just his lieutenant and the generic nameless ones.

Mannfred as well.

All others died including Abhorash (source Josh Reynolds).

>looking at AoS it seems like they only die if Nagash doesn't want to let them come back to life.

Nagash only ressed his three Motarch who he respected. Mannfred, Arkan, and Nef-chan. The rest of the vamps died out. The soulblight of AoS are the get of Nef, Mannfred, and Ushoran. There are no other lines.

>only Vlad died.

Did you forget the character that challenged Nagash and died? Or Harkon?

>That's the exact same thing, dumbass. Its a binary choice. You either help or hinder. Him walking away would also count as going full retard and fucking it up.

Just nope on two accounts. Mannfred was given two choices. Help or stop. The fluff even lamented how Mannfred could have saved the day but choose not to. Mannfred choose the option that would fuck him over the least.

Mannfred in AoS is waaaaay better off than what would have happened to him if WHFB was saved.
>Ph, nevermind. You're a contrarian dumbass.

No you are the dumnass.

>Reminder that AoS invalidates your theory, because Mannfred will never not be Nagash's slave by virtue of Nagash permanently controlling death and the forces that animate the dead. So all he really did was shit the bed.

Except that's wrong. Mannfred from time to time rebels against Nagash and have hatched plans aimed at usurping Nagash. He nearly succeed in one of them but was stopped by the Stormcast. For the longest time there was a storyline about Mannfred being on the run from Nagash.

Furthermore, not all Undead serve Nagash. Nagash had to fight long wars until he subjugated the Realm of Shyish under his power, and still there are undead who refuse to serve him for example a huge portion of the Ghoul Kings/Flesh Eater Courts.

>>49766362
>AoS is also the reason why the CEO who came up with the idea got his ass punt on the street
Tom Kirby is still there, not as CEO, but still there

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>>49769538
Cont'ed....

Walking away is the dumbest option for Mannfred because

A) If the ritual fails on its own and the world is destroyed, then the Chaos Gods will not reward him

B) If the world is saved, then his pale butt will belong to Nagash or the Elves

The ONLY logical option for Mannfred that won't necessarily end with him getting fucked over was helping Chaos and hoping their fickleness won't switch to cruel prank mode.

Again, Mannfred did nothing wrong and you all would have done the same if you were in his position.

>>49769538
So how did Ushoran survive if Nagash didn't rez him.

>>49769599
>Again, Mannfred did nothing wrong and you all would have done the same if you were in his position.

Oathbreakers kys.

>>49770058
>So how did Ushoran survive if Nagash didn't rez him.

It's stated that some dudes made it to the mortal realms by fighting their way out of the Realm of Chaos. Ushoran might have been one of them.

>>49770100
So basically unless someone died on-screen, they can't actually be called dead, and even then they still can't because Nagash can resurrect anyone he wants.

Literally capeshit.

>>49770312
>the God of death, necromancy and the afterlife being able to bring people back
Who would have guessed? Also, he can bring back any vampires/wights he wants because they're already undead, true resurrection is almost impossible in warhammer. If anyone gets rezzed by Nagash they come back as undead

>>49769599
>helping chaos was the only logical option
kek

>>49769538
No Mannfred is totally Nagash' slave. He spent the vast majority of his time in AoS lording over some shitty subrealm where everything decays faster than it can be built. It's implied this was his punishment for ending the world earlier. He's only had any sort of freedom to rebell recently, and even then it was revealed that was all justasplanned on the part of Nagash as a way to continue the stalemate with sigmar.

>>49770718
>true resurrection is almost impossible in warhammer. If anyone gets rezzed by Nagash they come back as undead

McGuffins follow no rules.

>>49770718
Mannfred is totally the Undead Be'lakor down to the apologist who thinks he's their husbando.

>>49752037
>that one night goblin riding the stone

Keks were had

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>>49761508
There's a bit of it in Storm of Chaos. King Leoncoeur calls an Errantry War when he hears that Chaos is about to invade the Empire. This is basically a crusade with almost exclusively Knights Errant. That's pretty much it.

The army list is almost the same as the regular Bretonnia one, albeit with only Knights Errant counting as minimum core choices, and they can have a Grail Knight as their champion. They're also a lot more impetuous.

I also seem to recall something about a Bretonnian crusade against either Estalia or Cathay that was just full of carnage.

>>49770859
Kroak is the only one to have truly ressurected. Everyone else was either brought back by a chaos God or came back through necromancy

>>49771401
That's the Crusades Against Araby. Araby invaded Estalia, at the bad advice of the Skaven, and Bretonnia started the Errantry War in response. The Empire's Knightly Orders joined too, but their contribution was much smaller than that of Bretonnia which was an entire generation, and the more experienced knights, falling down on them. They kicked the Arabyans out of Estalia and then followed them home. After killing the Sultan and dismantling his armies, the Bretonnians took everything that wasn't nailed down and sailed home. The Knightly Orders stayed behind to search for Estalian slaves, returning about a hundred years after the war ended.

>>49771483
I never understood the bit about the imperial Knights remaining in Araby for a century. Unless they somehow lived that long, it seems pointless to spend the rest of your life in a conquered country, have children there, and raise them to be Knights who hate araby just as much.
Apparently them being there for so long is why Gorthor was able to ravage the empire so badly, there were no Knights and gunpowder wasn't as widespread yet

>>49771612
That's what happened with the Crusader States. I imagine the 'return after a century' means that's when the last Imperial knight left for good. They might have left and come back, some Orders left later than others. Not to mention that some squires at the beginning of the war could have lived especially long, I believe the Knights of Malta were known for several members that lived well into their 80's.

>>49764607
You know they never 1vs1, right?

It was stated multiple times the Settras superior army (TK friends) and tactics are what "win" the day and Arkhan still stalemated him with magic all the time.

No items, no army, final destination? Even without magic Arkhan can push his shit in. Settrra's strength has always been his tactical mind and leadership rather than individual badassery ( no matter what his fans tell you).

>>49772631
Don't feed the idiot, I think he forgot Arkhan lost the duel to smuggle Nagash. Settra's pride is too great to admit a mistake.

bumping to save

>>49774218
Sometimes it has to be done

I've been DMing a warhammer fantasy RP 2E game for about a year. Anyone familiar with the setting have ideas on how to vary up combat? I want it to be a bit more strategic than "line up and hit each other" that it sometimes boils down to.

>>49776233
Also, anyone know if calculus has been invented in the setting?

>>49772631
>Even without magic Arkhan can push his shit in.
That's horse shit and you know it. Magic is the only thing that keeps this a fight. Settra BTFO dozens of tomb kings in personal combat during the initial awakening and forced Arkhan to flee. If Arkhan was as strong as his fanboys made him out to be, there's no reason he doesn't just BTFO Settra and take over nehekara for himself

>>49772792
Arkhan was trying to run away when Settra finally cut him down. Granted, it was all part of a very intricate plan that easily could have been fucked up if Settra did anything with Arkhans body other than take it into the temple.

>>49776233
House rules helps, but if it comes down to line combat then maybe your players just need some inspiration. Mine are notorious for trying to gain every advantage they can, setting traps, laying ambushes, scouting, etc.

>>49776253
Settra can't beat Arkhan because of his magic. Arkhan can't beat Settra because of his command of tactics. Their army book says it always comes down to a stalemate and Arkhan says he'll stop being a dick, and Settra leaves to fry bigger fish.

So what OOP models are you guys gonna buy?

Here's a complete archive of the Citadel minis.
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Collectors_Guide

Limited release.
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Limited_Release

Unreleased Citadel minis (which exist in small numbers on the secondary).
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Unreleased

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>>49777901
I would buy this Ogress.

>>49776250
Considering how good their cartography is, I assume they must have.

>>49772631
Arkhans magic would do little to Settra alone. Without his magic resistance (3) amulet he was still able to walk through a barrage of Nagash' point blank spells that BTFO everything around him, with no damage taken. With it, it might have been a fair fight.
Settra not being able to best Arkhan probably has more to do with Arkhan teleporting away whenever he gets caught and rezzing his troops faster than Settra can. The magic won't do much to Settra, and in a straight up fight Arkhan loses handily. I know game stats Aren't entitely fluff accurate, but it's quite telling that Settra is WS7 a4 w4 s6 while Arkhan is only ws4 a3 w3 s5

Where can I find all the final FAQ Erratas?

Help me settle a debate, anons. Do you guys think WFRP2e's perception could double as a sense motive/empathy skill? If not, how would you guys suggest handling detecting lies? Also, what's the difference between haggle and trade (merchant)?

>>49778831
Makes sense. Undead get massive boosts to basically everything with willpower. That's the only thing that differentiates a Wight King from Grave Guard, retaining more of their personality.

Settra has the strongest will in all of Warhammer and Warhammer 40k to be promised everything by Chaos with no strings attached and say no because it meant he'd be a subordinate to infinitely powerful beings. Archaon and Abaddon have to do a job to keep their power, Settra was just given all of it to enjoy as he saw fit like a Greater Daemon of Chaos Undivided.

If anything, Settra's stats should be even higher.

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Fellow at the club runs a list based around a big block of Saurus warriors with Kroak, whom he insists can hide behind the front rank of ANY unit according to an FAQ I can't find. Is this true?

>>49779571
He has to prove it, not you.

Provide access to a laptop or smartphone so he can find it if he thinks it exists but claims he couldn't print it out.

Not saying it doesn't work, just that's how I'd treat it.

>>49779638
Still trying to find a collection of the last Fantasy FAQs myself, couldn't find any in the op links

>>49779571
That was the case in 6th I think. Dunno about 8th.

>>49779571
The 1d4chan tactics lizardmen page says the same about Slann. Nothing about an faq though.

>>49779705
>>49779666
W8 I reread your post. I meant the templeguard not generic warriors. This sounds like bullshit to me.

>>49779571
Saurus warriors or temple guard? The latter is completely legit, don't think you can hide a Slann in standard saurus blocks

>>49779571
False for Saurus Warriors, but true for Temple Guards. They have a rule detailing it.

>>49777901
If they actually do more than just the recently killed Fantasy lines, I'm gonna scoop up as many halfling minis as I can get. Followed by some Brets, Mordheim and Necromunda figures, and some Chaos Dwarves.

>>49777901
>there was a quidditch game

Whoah

>>49780245
Games Workshop actually has a complicated history. Most people aren't even aware they're one of the first distributors of D&D, and had the rights to Judge Dredd and Dr. Who.

>>49779553
Settra has a will so immense Nagash can't dominate him or even wrest control of his army from him. He's the only tomb King that can stay awake without having to return to his tomb to magically regenerate, and recovers far faster than the others. His stats are almost on par with greater daemons though, thry pretty accurately reflect where he's at. If anything he should have a better weapon, or his armor from 6ed.

I wonder how many people face tomb kings thinking they're going to be brittle skeletons only to find out they're hard as rock and strong enough to tear men in half?

>>49780307
Huh. Too bad the undead are cut off from the Warp, Settra could probably become the God Emperor of Fantasy through sheer force of will alone by shaping himself a portion of it and claiming it as his own as a new Chaos entity.

I mean, he had the worship for it. He's Pharaoh, a living god.

>>49780448
Being cut off from the warp means chaos can't fuck with you directly, I think its a good trade off. Besides, what good is being a King in the warp when nothing you do is lasting?

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>>49780526
It'd be lasting as long as he wills it. The damage that gets done to Tzeentch's maze by Draigo mends immediately after all.

His section of the Warp would be shifting eternal sand in all directions, with his ludicrously massive eternal golden palace city on the scale of pic related compared to the rest of the Warp.

>>49777901
The first wave is just going to have a couple of old imperial guardsmen

Why is chaos so fucking useless? You could easily replace them with greenskins or undead in everything and the setting would be better for it.

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>>49705163

>>49782478
Nah, Chaos is actually quite interesting once you look beyond the scowling dumb dark knights and into the cosmological stuff.

>>49783257
This.

Warriors and Archaon suck most of the fun out.

>>49783257
>Chaos is actually quite interesting
How?
There's 4 gods, each one being an unidimensional deity of infinite power and infinite legions of incredibly powerful Daemons

The setting would be much better off without Chaos

Sorry, just playing the devil's advocate to start some discussion, dead thread

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>>49787242

>>49787332
In old Warhammer writing, quite a few important characters literally started as hating Chaos and falling to it in order to fight fire with fire.
Like the evil alignment in D&D, you don't automatically side with other evil.

GW writing took a nosedive though and now you have to love and respect your Chaos God, only the Darth Vader of the setting is allowed to have his own opinion.

>>49787816
Well it kind of makes sense - as much as the various gods have their rivalries, if you worship them as a whole, why would you hate them?

Are there any files/scans of the various fantasy artbooks in the file deposits, like the Age of Reckoning concept art book? I can't find any.

>>49788655
The gods are a real and accepted part of life, hating them is like hating the weather where you live. Getting dicked over by chaos gods who don't care about your life is a pretty good motivator

>>49790357
I'm not following that logic. I can't hate the weather for being the weather, and it does nothing to be mad at something I can't change - at best I'm vaguely disgruntled at it.

>>49779196
>Where can I find all the final FAQ Erratas?
Seconding this question. That's pretty important.

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>>49761508
Here's a compilation of all the information I've been able to find about Araby from the WHFRP 2e books (at least the ones I've finished reading). Some of it deals with the Crusades I think

>>49779292
In my games I rule that Perception works like Sense Motive would in other games. It's probably the skill we use most, since it covers general overviews, close detail, changes in environment, motives, etc.

>>49791383
Basically, its Greek gods.

Can you really be mad at beings so much higher than you that you're sub-bacteria? Can you really justify their bullshit just because you're afraid of angering them?

Also, I can hate the weather. I can hate anything, be angry at anything, and if a horrible 90 degree heat summer drought had a mind and a personality, I'd spite the fuck out of it by destroying everything it cared about with all the strength I had, regardless of how little that actually matters in the long run.

I mean, if nothing you do really matters because you're not important, you may as well bare your asshole and give the middle finger to those that do and work against you.

But in modern GW writing, the only way to work against Khorne is to join Nurgle, Tzeentch, or Slaanesh, and you end up displaying the symbols and singing the praise and power of your patron. You can't just hate Chaos to be Chaos apparently.

Is there a compilation anywhere of sourcebooks for 1st edition WHFRP? I only see 2nd and 3rd edition stuff.

>>49705163

Well of fucking course people are triggered by End Times, IT LITERALLY FUCKING KILLED THE FANTASY LINE


Now all we get is Age of Sigmarines.

I'm not triggered really because I never played fantasy or was really that into the lore, but it's pretty fucking obvious anyone who ever did would get prettty godamn upset about the event that literally killed their favorite game/setting.

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Ok general, I need your aid.

I have become highly interested in running a Dwarfs army and would like any possible lore about a certain hold... Kraka Ravnsvake specifically. I am interested in the Norsca Dwarfs, but don't know much about them and can't find much.

There is a good amount of Kraka Drak lore (which is the biggest northern hold), but not much on the other northern holds.

I can't seem to find color schemes, lore or symbols.

Does anyone here have any info?

>>49793716
>Kraka Ravnsvake
Why this hold in particular? As you yourself lament, there isn't much on it (except possibly in German).

>>49793787
I'm drawn to the sort of raven theme and the struggle to survive against the northern barbarians who are literally always at the gates.

>>49793804
Best you could do is some digging in fan sites. It's harder to get good info on than Karak Norn.

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>>49735212
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