MTG EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

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Lord of Garbage is best commander.

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>>49686271
First for Desecration Demon is best demon.

Playing staples is gay.
Playing to win is gay.
Go play legacy you turds.

>>49686318

This guy seems pretty useless to me

>>49686343

Legacy is too expensive and most of my favorite cards aren't viable

>>49686318
How can you possibly argue anything other than Rune-Scarred as best demon?

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>>49686318
Lies and slander.

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>>49686318
Nah

>>49686318
You're arguing that the demon that's so good it's banned isn't the best?

>>49686411
Muh Schemer

>>49686411

I could never take out massacre wurm for this but I'ma try to find room to run this as well

>>49686356
You lack imagination.

>>49686379
Oh, I like rune-scarred demon, but that's too mike + trike for my taste.

>>49686394
Now that's spicy, unless it works the opposite way I think it does.

>>49686416

The more reasonable way to interpret his post is that griselbrand is banned and therefore not part of the discussion

>>49686411
Actually, not bad, not bad at all. I like that it generates its own energy.

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>>49686444
Reasonable? pssh. I'm also a pretty big fan of this guy, who's not banned.

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>>49686515
That is the second best demon, although you posted the inferior art. Together with reaper from the abyss they form the mazirek holy trinity of creature-fucking sac effects.

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>>49686271
>Overpowered Green Beaters Edition
Here you go.

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>>49686271
>Overpowered Green Beaters Edition
That little girl doesn't stand a chance

>>49686271

Pathbreaker is great. Turned my Roon lands deck from a joke to something that can actually do something. Love me some poor man's Craterhoof.

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>>49686627
>little girl

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>>49686558
3BBB in a non-mono deck

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>>49686672
>BBB

>>49686515
>>49686558

Well this guy actually does a thing, desecration demon seems like a really really really slow way to make people sac creatures, but only if they want to

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>>49686644
So what happens when an Obliterator is blocked by a little girl, do they choose a permanent and chop it in half?

>>49686238

I've used it and she's worked great. The exile/draw mechanic is great for EDH, although you can't play lands.

>>49686701

Im thinking about keeping it but that exile effect doesnt really help with synergy

>>49686688
Think of it as an enchantment:
>2BB for your opponent to sacrifice a creature at either the beginning of your combat step, or the beginning of theirs, on each turn
>if they do sac a creature, put a counter on it
>if they don't sacrifice a creature, you get a 6/6 flying beatstick, with +1/+1 for each counter on it
Combined in a grindy deck, it shit's out value, particularly if you're running things that limit how many creatures your opponent can have on the battlefield. While one creature per turn doesn't really matter, after 5 turns that's 5 creatures. It pretty much requires removal as soon as it hit's the field, but most people are too arrogant and assume they can sacrifice creatures forever.

Long story short, they can't.

>>49686686
talkin bout reaper senpai

>>49686737
It's card advantage. What synergy does it not help with?

>>49686755

But you could just be running other shit that makes them sac creatures way faster, stuff that effects every opponent too

>5 creatures over 5 turns is a lot

If a normal repeatable edict thing lives for 5 turns like grave pact or sheoldred, the game is over 2 turns ago

>>49686783
My bad, but BBB shouldn't be to hard to get by turn 4 - 6 in a deck that is focused on sacrifice triggers.

>>49686755
>after 5 turns
Either the other players have a bunch of token that they don't give a shit about, or it's not going to last 5 turns.

>>49686827
I think they're saying they're not going to do anything with the exiled cards if they're not cast (a la hushwing gryff), but there are almost no cards that interact with exile anyways.

>>49686827

I guess using the first +1 blind is not recommended anyways.

>>49686854
especially when your second color is green

>>49686857
>>49686847
Like I said, I understand the criticism, and it requires finesse to work, but when it does, oh boy is it good. You use it in addition to the edicts, because realistically they won't be able to keep up with the costs, and as soon as they can't, you're hitting them with something fuckhuge that's also of a lower priority than the ordinary fuckhuge beatstick that already ate their removal. Anything that uses a creature's power for shenanigans, like Pathbreaker ibex, loves this guy, and personally I've used him with three +1/+1 counters to oneshot a player with the 4 thrulls from Endrek Sahr, and an overwhelming stampede, not including any of the nonsense he enables in Mazirek or reanimator builds. He even showed up in my Ayli grindy control deck just to wear people down and draw heat.

>>49686755
People made this same argument when RtR first released.
Spoilers: Desecration Demon sucked until the good token support and cheap undying creatures rotated out. And even then it took Erebos and Thoughtseize to make a good MBC deck he could fit in.
Paying four mana for a creature that spends all but one of your main phases being tapped is not a good investment.

>>49686975
You realize that this is a spoiler enabled board right?

Also ignoring
>standard
he's incredibly strong with anything to untap him. Instill energy is my personal favorite.

>>49686969

I don't think he requires finesse to work, and his max potential is really low, a card that fits that description better would be as nauseam, have to be smart with it as its resolving and build your deck around it, but the results are absurd

If you're trying to sell him you should be playing up his strentghs which is that he has no drawbacks as a turn 3-4 play

He's okay, you're just overselling his upside

>>49686925
Using the +1 blind is just fine. I always do.

People seem to have this fear that the one card they need to win (that I guess they can't play this turn for some reason) will be exiled forever each time. That just doesn't happen. What does happen is you have access to more cards than you otherwise would have in a color that desperately needs it. Very rarely have I ever been sad that i used it.

>>49687016
Yes, I remember when spoilers were finally enabled here. We even have a sticky about it. Using the spoiler function would have detracted from my snarkiness.

But yes, I'll admit the thing gets phenomenally stronger with an untapper involved. I can't deny that.

>>49687016

If he has something to untap him that defeats the whole purpose, then nobody will ever sac a creature and grow him

He's just a 4 mana 6/6 flyer at that point, which is great in another format, but not high impact in edh, he's just gonna die to the next board wipe after getting one or two swings in, which may or may not get chumped

>>49687106
>>49687120
>>49687023
Like I said anons, it requires finesse. Not quite as much as ad nauseum, but if you drop it, durdle for a few turns, then throw instill energy on it after your commander has eaten a path and a swords to plowshares, you're going to be in pretty good shape.

I admit, I'm overselling things, but it's a niche card that I personally find very fun.

>>49687151
Can't really hold that against you, we all have our pet cards.
Mine's Agent of Masks.

>>49687266
>Agent of Masks
Oh wow, my inner Gruul is crying, thinking about the stupid shit Oloro could pull with that guy.

>>49686698
If you sac lands, they produce half mana.
Crestures die...
Dunno about rest.

>>49687318
Don't put it in your Oloro deck, it's really not that good. The main reason I use it is because mine is foil and signed by the artist, who I once met at a prerelease in San Angelo.
It never gets any work done.

>>49687355
That's a pretty cool explanation, I wasn't sure if there was some sundail of the infinite control lock using it, but realistically someone will deck out before they're going to get pinged to death.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/legion-of-heaven-2/

So Ive made some changes to me deck after hearing some anon's suggestions in the last couple threads of some days. The day is playing alittle smoother, however I still have durdling problems here and there and I think the problem is needing to add afew more ways to Draw cards such as Mind's Eye, Tormenting Voice, and possibly Wild Guess.

My question here is what cards in my deck are expendable for such changes? Also what cards on my Maybe list can I just not worry about, and which should I consider getting to help improve the deck. This is my more budget/casual deck for EDH because I like Angels...I could make it Angel tribal, but I think what this deck is trying to do and its fun to me and my playgroup.

All help is appreciated.

>Red/White deck
I get it.

>>49687387
Draw power anon here, have you playtested it? What did you like and dislike about how it preformed?

ALESHA PLAYERS: How many sac outlets do you guys run? I'm trying not to use tutors because I'd probably just grab the same stuff every time, so I'm trying to mitigate that by being able to sacrifice a bunch of shit when necessary.

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Holy shit this guy's actually insane.
>Get Myr Battlesphere into play
>Loot 5 times
It's a shame he discards before the draw but then I think he'd be way too strong.

>>49687387
My deck should help give you some ideas.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karametra-sitter-of-faces/

>>49687423
Goblin Bombardment, Viscera Seer, Ashnod (Or Phyrexian if you got the budget) Altar, possible Altar of Dementia. probably a few more

>>49687420
If you read what I wrote, Ive already stated both of these.

It plays good enough for a budget RW deck, but I do tend to durdle when I shouldnt and need to break stalls. I know I need more draw power and I have some options to help fix that, but I need to know if my options are good enough and if so, what should be taken out to fit them in.

>>49687469
>comparing RW to WG

>>49687464

He would be significantly better than Riddlesmith, as is he's still pretty strong

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Maybe play Repercussion?

That shit break stalls. and it's all about Winning or Dying with glory

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>>49687387
>>49687485
>Plateau
>Cavern of Souls
>Stoneforge Mystic
>all five Swords of X and Y
>Jitte

>budget

>>49687514
was meant for >>49687485

>>49687504
When I first read him I thought he was on cast so I assumed he was worse, but my friend pointed out that it was just "enters the battlefield".

>>49687387
I'd say Angelic Chorus, Dictate of Heliod, Angelic Arbiter, and Bruna are all worth reconsidering

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>>49687485
You have three draw cards in your entire deck, including a tutor. No open the armory, no assemble the legion, no cycling, literally nothing.

Like I said originally, if you read what I wrote, pick 8-10 pieces of card draw, 8-10 pieces of ramp, and build your deck from there. You can run an artifact subtheme and abuse your looting effects for better card draw, otherwise your deck will be a slow durdling mess forever.

It seems to me you have more money than sense.

>>49687524
Most of these Ive already had. The Plateau is a old collectors edition i got for $20 3-4 years ago

>>49686443
>Now that's spicy, unless it works the opposite way I think it does.

It's beautiful in how perfect a card this is. Its sole drawback is wholly irrelevant in constructed formats, making it the one draft matters card that could theoretically see play outside of cracking Conspiracy packs.

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>>49686318
>>49686356
No one ever wants to sac a creature.
Even token decks.
It is manageable on paper, but OP in practice.
>>49686343
>implying EDH is a staple
>implying everyone plays EDH to win
>implying EDH doesn't have the same set rules as legacy
Come play EDH you turd.

>>49687547
Its why im requesting help. To be fair it is what we try to do here with everyone.

I dont have a lot of options for card draw and whatnot and Im simply asking for the most common options.

I have gotten an Open the Armory from my LGS, a Faithless Looting, Tormenting Voice, looking into getting a Mind's Eye.

Im sure there is other tutors I should be playing, however as Im adding more cards to find equipment, I feel like some of my Equipment is going to get removed.

>>49687566
It doesn't matter whether you had to pay for them or not at the moment you built the deck, but budget deck is more about what it's worth. If a friend died and his mother gifted me his 2000+ euros or dollars all foil consistent storm deck, it still wouldn't be budget, when I paid literally zero for it.

>>49687479
>Altar of Dementia
Oooh that's neato. Pairs nicely with a Top

>>49687606
10 equipment is fine. I would remove spear of heliod before any of those. Honestly the best draw engine R/W has besides skullclamp is Land Tax + Scroll Rack

I think you have an inordinant amount of fattys in a deck that cares about swarming with little dudes. My advice would be to reduce your 6+ drops and add more utility creatures like solemn simulacrum/burnished hart/goblin welder

Welder on his own can generate you so much value if you include some of the typical cards that go in his kit

>>49687663

I want a Scroll Rack for Aurelia, but I also don't want to buy it. Life is pain. Maybe when the holiday bonus rolls in...

Who is the best Magic Waifu?

Narset?
Avacyn?
Elesh Norn?
Liliana?
Chandra?
Nissa?

>>49688083
Elesh Norn obviously

Avacyn second.

Everyone else there is trash tier, fuck planeswalkers.

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>>49688083
Hmm, I wonder who's the best.

Probably the one who's only goal is literal perfection.

>>49688083
Marchessa is the patrician choice

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>>49688083

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>>49688083

Other answers are simply and objectively wrong. I can forgive newfags for other answers, not oldfags.

>>49688191

Radiant is super meh though

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>>49688083
Best waifu.

>>49688083
Kalemne

>>49688259
Your waifu is not real. She is a figment of someone else's imagination.

>>49688390
Much like your dick.

>>49688346
Thread's over folks, kalemnefag is here

Azami is the only waifu

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>>49686271
C16 SPOILERS WHEN

>friend has been asking about some pretty hefty artifact jank
I am concerned

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So, a friend of mine is starting a Phenax build, and we came across Eater of the Dead.

We were wondering, does it need a creature in a graveyard to be able to activate its ability or not? If not, it can start milling with phenax the moment it can tap, otherwise it requires creatures to be in the grave already, so I thought it was a fairly relevant question.

>>49688083
meren

>>49688636
Yes, it needs a creature in the graveyard, since the ability is targeting something.
You can tap it and mill for 4 and hope you hit a creature and go from there.

>>49688636
Do you not have access to Oracle text?

>0: If Eater of the Dead is tapped, exile target creature card from a graveyard and untap Eater of the Dead.

>otherwise it requires creatures to be in the grave already

Or a creature to be among the three cards it mills thanks to Phenax.

>>49688693
Four cards, that is, not three.

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>>49688636
>Look up Phenax
>Feel reminded of another character by the card's art
>Suddenly remember

>>49688636
Unless there is errats it isn't part of the cost and doesn't target, so I don't think so. I could be wrong though.

>>49688795
That was my idea as well, but apparently, as per >>49688688 and >>49688693 , that's not the case.

>>49688769
>the god of deception is easily defeated by being framed for murder

Mazerik players, what does he do to win the game? I find that he pumps, but not much else

>>49688925
When pump small thing get big.
Use big thing to hit people.

Or just combo out with persist creatures.

>>49688925
>playing a commander that has a hard time NOT going infinite
>how can I win with him?
I hope you started playing magic recently.

>>49688925
You swing for massive combat damage.

Or, you loop something with persist while blood artist is out.

Alternatively, you grind way too hard and out-value them for an entire game.

>>49688925
Ashnod's altar + pentavus/animation module + blood artist/zulaport cutthroat. Or use archfiend of depravity to keep people in check

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>>49688769
>>49688866

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>>49686271
>Bazar Trader
+
>Humble Defector

What is the correct order and targeting of these cards to let you keep them both, and draw two.


t:Humble Defector > t:Bazar Trader (Target you)?
t:Humble Defector > t:Bazar Trader (Targeting Opponent)?
t:Bazar Trader (Target you) > t:Humble Defector ?

This isn't a trick question, I'd like to know please. Maybe explaining the stack as well so I understand?

>>49689128
>tap Bazaar Trader targetting Humble Defector and yourself
>while said trigger is on the stack, tap Humble Defector to draw two cards, give it away to someone
>let bazaar trader trigger resolve, gain control of defector again

>>49689128
I don't think it works that way.

>t:Humble Defector > t:Bazar Trader
You don't control humble defector when it changes ownership, this doesn't work.
>t:Humble Defector > t:Bazar Trader (Targeting Opponent)?
This gives your opponent something in addition to humble defector.
>t:Bazar Trader (Target you) > t:Humble Defector ?
You give your opponent something, then give them humble defector.

Scenario that I will likely face tomorrow:

>Skullbriar about to pop a player
>Hardened Scales and Corpsejack are both out

In which order do I stack the triggers for maximum +1/+1 counters?

>>49689155
Oh, and it doesn't even work.

Because Bazaar Trader says "you control", when the trigger resolves, you do not control the defector, so it fizzles.

>>49689128
>>49689155
>>49689162
None of these work because bazaar trader is worded in such a way that you have to control the permanent when his ability resolves to do something.

I'm sorry your cute trick won't work anon. I highly recommend going using one of the links in the sticky (magiccards.info) for its common card rulings and using a different forum altogether for rules questions. /tg/ is filled with people bad at magic and you will often get multiple answers to any ruling, so you will still have to investigate to figure out what is correct.

>>49689224
Is there another combination NOT listed that does work?

>>49689165
Skull, then Hardened, then Corpse.
Every time you hit them, you get 4 +1+1 counters.

>>49689224
>Well actually, this is how it works
>proceeds to say the exact same thing the people you "corrected" said


You sure showed them

>>49689250
Give opponent defector
Use threaten effects to take him back, then tap him and give them back.
Probably the closest thing to a red divination you will get.

>>49689250
There is no way for Bazzar Trader to get Humble Defector back for you.

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just use this with defector

>>49689259
Tasty

Thanks mane

>>49689165
Skull, then harden, then corpse
Skullbriar: 1
Harden Scales (1 x 2 + 1)
Total: 3

Corpsejack (3x2)
6

Skull then corpse than harden:
Skullbriar: 1
Corpse: 1x 2
Total: 2

Harden: (2x2+1)
5

Honest answer? Skull, than corpse, than harden seems better almost always.

>>49689273
If you are
>>49689162
You didn't answer what would happen in the third scenario correctly, or English isnt your first language.

>t:Bazar Trader (Target you) > t:Humble Defector ?
>You give your opponent something, then give them humble defector.

When you target defector with the trader first, then tap defector, bazar traders ability fizzles is how it actually works.

Not sure if you are drunk posting or just really bad at magic.

>>49689362
That is literal nonsense.

>>49689082
kek'd

>>49689362
All Harden does is add another 1/1 on top of the ones already being placed, it doesn't double.

So its
>Skull>Harden>Corpse
(1 + 1) 2 = 4
>Skull>Corpse>Harden
(1 x 2) + 1 = 3

>>49689375
Ah, I didn't even bother to read that far down his post because he got the first one right (don't control the permanent) so I assumed he would get the next one right too as it was the exact same fucking thing.

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>>49687464
First day on Kaladesh Artificer.

>>49687992
Grab an Outpost Seige. It's a red Phyrexian Arena.

>>49689422
I forgot how much I didn't like math

>>49689517
Both Pyromaster and Torch too.
Just wait for Torch to drop to like 5 bucks.

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If you blink an aura with Brago, will it come back attached to something or does it just fall off?

>>49688636
It's pretty broken combo, but as far as combos go, I guess it's tame.
You can tap to mill four.
If you get a creature or there's already a creature, you can exile it and mill again.

It's even more reliable against multiple opponents.
Which EDH mill isn't known for.
I've won twice with him. And I secretly hope I don't.

>>49689422
So Skullbriar goes on... last?

>>49689587
If you're targeting the enchantment with his ability than it will come back and you choose what to attach it to.

>>49689587
It'll enter the battlefield and the game will require you to attach it to a legal target.
If there are no legal targets, it will go straight to the graveyard.
On an interesting note, auras that enter the battlefield without being cast don't target whatever you stick them to, meaning things with shroud and hexproof are fair game.

>>49689631
*then. Jesus Christ Me, learn how to English.

>>49689587
Attached to a thing of your choice. Note that it will not be able to attach to anything that is also entering the battlefield at the same time as it (such as in the case of your Brago trigger) and can be attached to things that have hexproof or shroud (as your are not targeting when it is returned to the battlefield).

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>>49688530
This Monday if my play group is right.

For over powered, this bastard.
the deck that used him exploited his ability to the max:
>Windfall, Jace's Archivist, etc.
only Leovold's controller can draw more than one card
>Teferi's Puzzle Box
you put your hand at the bottom of your library and only get one card back
>Anvil of Bogardan
Discard the card you draw
>Any card that makes players draw more cards
completely mitigates all cards that makes anyone draw cards and also gets to the point where no other player can draw cards

this happened to me with three separate decks, Dragon Aggro, Daxos enchantment, even Krenko goblin rush. the only thing I could to beyond the 5th turn is cast my commander and even then it quickly becomes useless.

I really hope this guy gets banned, he is everything I hate about control.

>>49689587
303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player’s control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn’t specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura’s enchant ability and any other applicable effects.

it comes back attached to whatever you want, note this can get through shroud/hexproof

>>49689620

Skullbriar's ability is the trigger, the other are replacements which don't use the stack, you simply choose the order they apply

>>49689587
Fun fact, auras that come into play without being cast don't actually target anything, it's only when you cast it as a spell that an aura targets. They just attach to a legal permanent.

So that hexproof Narset that's being an asshole? Enchant her with Pacifism.

>>49689658

What pisses me off the most about this guy is that he's a 3/3, like wtf, so unnecessary

>>49689672
>>49689660
>>49689637
>>49689656
I think we have managed to educate him on the intricacies of hexproof/shrouded aura enchanting.

>>49689250
Put it on a mimic vat and copy mimic vat's ability, with Kurkesh for example, to get two defectors a turn that each disappear so your opponents can't use them

>>49689682
By turn 3-5 I have no hand and can't draw cards, CONSISTENTLY ACROSS 10 GAMES

>>49689671
Alright, I'm an idiot, let me just make sure I have this right so my group doesn't bitch about a 2 mana 5/5 on turn 2

>Skullbriar
Counter
>then Scales
Oh hey, a bonus counter makes 2
>then Corpsejack
BUT WAIT! TWICE that many counters for 4!

>>49689708
Also his controller is also constantly stopping me from killing him via counters, bounce, and kill spells

>>49689658
Leovold ban when?

>>49689730

You have that right

To be more precise what you have is 1 trigger, put a single counter on skullbriar, if and when that trigger resolves, two replacement effects will apply to it, and you may choose the order those effects apply, if you choose hardened scales to apply first you get 4 counters, if you choose corpse back first you get 3

>>49689128
You're playing EDH anyway. Even if this did work, you'd be asking to get punched for dangling the carrot over their head while beating them with a stick.

>>49689741
Dont forget that he draws cards when you try to do it as well.

>>49689929
Man, Leovold is just a masterpiece of miserable design

>>49689929
Oh yeah, the second ability, that is just a whole salt lake in the wound

>>49689165
Don't listen to these fools:
>>49689362
>>49689422

>>49689259 was correct, the most you can get is 4, but your question is flawed. You don't stack the triggers, since the only trigger is Skullbriars. Hardened Scales and Corpsejack are replacement effects, so you choose the order that the replacement effects occur. So your options are:

>Corpsejack sees a counter should be put on SB, so double are put on instead. Hardened Scales sees two counters should be put on SB, so 2+1 are put on instead.
Total: 3 counters
or
>Hardened scales sees a counter should be put on SB, so 2 counters are put on instead. Corpsejack sees 2 counters should be put on SB, so double are put on instead.
Total: 4 counters.

For future reference, replacement effects contain the word 'instead', and don't trigger so much as they modify how something happens.

>>49689658
He also doubled the price on Anvil of Bogardan, which I wanted for my Feldon deck and as such he is now unforgivable

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>tfw finally dropped a good amount of money to build a sliver edh deck
>tfw have everything to make it run great except legion and queen
>tfw both go for 30 bucks each
Why cant they just do a reprint or a from the vault for slivers already, I refuse to pay more than 20 bucks for a single card.

>>49690092
no point playing slivers then

A week or two ago some people in this general were talking about how badly Notion Thief can backfire. It happened today in a game I picked up with complete strangers.

>first player casts Notion Thief, completely locking me out of the game because I have Null Profusion
>next turn, second player casts Consecrated Sphinx
>next turn, I play Phyrexia's Core and the first player begins drawing his entire deck
>halfway through, he draws a removal spell and goes to kill the Sphinx
>in response, I use my Core to sacrifice an Ichor Wellspring, finishing the job
Good shit.

Don't play Notion Thief.

>>49690092
Yeah, the Legion and Queen are a bit over priced for my taste, but if you have a Crystalline Sliver and the Overlord you really should not need the other two (at least not by my standard, but on the other hand I run a Hivelord so I'm most likely not the best person to ask)

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>>49688083

>>49687469
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.

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>>49688083
Plague Witch

>>49690229
Yep I have Overlord & Hivelord along with crystalline however I still need to get necrotic & the toxic sliver but other than that I have every other good/useful sliver. Also picked up Sliver Hive, Coat of Arms, & Cromatic lantern today which will help alot with mana fixing and buffs.

>>49688390
That's all waifus.

>>49690284
Different deck, man. Kalemne's Magical Realm has reached meme status.

>>49690362
No, your karametra deck is just as cancer

>>49690372
That's not my deck though. I don't play green

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>>49690372
>Hating on Karametra's 10/10 mana ramp
Get a load of this negro right here

>>49690400
Nothing wrong with the commander, it's great.

The problem is with the guy spamming his face-sitting fetish everywhere.

>>49690431

I'm pretty sure he named his deck that just to trigger everybody who was freaking out about the kalemne deck

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>Daretti player constantly gloats when he pulls off his combo
>complains when I get sage of hours with newzuri

I know I'm a faggot for playing infinite turns but where do you daretti spaghetti players get off?

Is Mind's Eye actually that good?

It seems like it takes so much mana to actually get any cards out if it.

>>49690641
A lot of people get the "things I do are fine, things you do are degenerate" mindset. It's really quite annoying.

>>49690644
Its good but I would rather play rhystic study. Mind's eye requires a few rocks or mana dorks to be efficient and only works against certain decks where you can constantly force an opponent to draw

>>49690644
it is mana-intensive. If you're in the colors that need it I would suggest a bunch of mana rocks (6+)

>playing mizix against teysa and meren
>turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 mizix, and get 2 exp counters rather quickly
>sit poised to strike while pulling off galvanoth shenanigans
>rite of replication kicked on meren's bbc dragon
>teysa attempts to wipe the field
>counter it for U. Getthatshitouttahere.jpg
>swing for 30 at meren then devil's play for 10 and reverberate it to kill him
>teysa doesn't live much longer and can't wrath because I got negate back with mystic retrieval

Mizix gets outta control way too easily. Gonna make a storm deck outta this glorious motherfucker.

which commanders work well under a tight budget? Like 50$ or so

>>49690733
Krenko, Mob Boss

>>49690723
you opponents are terrible if they're in Black (esp B/W) and let you keep your commander on the field

>>49690705
>>49690722
I've got it in a red/white build that needs some draw, but it just takes so much mana to do anything, and tends to be targeted when it comes out that sometimes it feels like a waste.

>>49690733
Alesha works quite well on a budget, with room for more expensive stuff when you want to upgrade. Just stuff it with ETB effect commons with power 2 or less, and you're good to go.

>>49690733
Talrand
Zada
Feldon
Any precon
Purphoros

>>49690733
Krenko, Mob Boss (Goblinball)
Purphoros, God of the Forge (Kill with ETB)
Zada, Hedron Grinder (Duplicate single-target instant/sorcery)
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed (He's expensive, then buy nothing but repeatable sacrifice win-cons)
Meren of Clan Nel Toth (Bullshit reanimation on the super cheap)

>>49690733
There is a like $10 or $20 Mikeaus deck out there that is actually pretty good.

>>49690758
>le everyone should have answers at all times meme

>>49690768
There are better draw options for RW than mind's eye, but if you are set on mind's eye I would recommend getting more rocks like thran dynamo, monolith, etc.

>>49690864
>There are better draw options for RW
What are your suggestions?

>>49690898
Not him but the new Eldrazi, staff of nin, land tax in conjunction with scroll rack.
Red has Chandra pyrometer, and that one 4 management enchantment from dragons of talking with the dragons/khan's choice

>>49690934
Which new ekdrazi do you mean?

>>49691005
Oh endbringer

>>49690934

autocorrect the post

>>49691037
Fuck me. 14 hours at school and a new tablet make me have the most vaccinated of posts

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>>49690641
You are playing a 2 card infinite combo, where one is always accessible in your command zone. You manage to draw into it and win immediately. It's a win, yes, but an empty, hollow victory.

Do you really want to win in such a way?

Any new tools for derevi or roon? I can dig them up if there's new fun stuff

>>49690723
the thing that was broken in that text was the turn one sol ring into turn to general not the general itself. most of the experience generals just need to get repeatedly removed then there deck falls apart.

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I wanna make an Aurelia deck that focuses on, essentially, being bad Narset and having infinite combat steps. Is there any way I can do this?

>>49688530
Usually the week before it drops. Nov 8th or so.

>>49691195
Mirror gallery, blade of selves, puresteel paladin, leonine shikari.

>>49691195
Aurelia + Adarkar Valkyrie + free sac outlet = infinite combat steps

>>49691227
Make sure you have enough artifacts to proque the metalcraft on puresteel

>>49691108

It's ALMOST a two card combo, since he needs 5 exp counter

>>49691108
>It's a win, yes, but an empty, hollow victory

Maybe to you but its fair game to me, everyone else in my group wants to combo out so I don't see why its wrong for me to do so. Also it requires sage of hours who can be quite easily removed.

>>49691213
word was there was going to be an article sometime this week about C16, did MaRo forget to post it online or will it come tomorrow?

>>49691245
If you don't have 5exp counters on him 5 minutes into the game you're playing him wrong. I have never seen one not combo off

>>49691268
You're in u/g, you can tutor sage of hours in green and protect him in blue. It is a win, yes. But it's a easy win that required nearly no setting up. "Whoops, I drew sage of hours, I guess I get infinite turns"

Gg ?

Honestly, I understand at the end of the day it doesn't matter, but it puts a bad taste in my mouth. That combo specifically just feels dumb to me. To each their own though.

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>>49688083
Gisela

>>49691302
You misunderstand me. I dont intend for sage to be my main wincon. I can win through commander damage with ezuri, infect, timmy sized creatures with trample, etc. Sage is only in since everyone else plays infinite, I feel like I need to.

Is 17 Equipment too much in Voltron? I feel like I should cut it down to the best and run more beaters and utility spells like land destruction

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>>49688083
Easy

>>49688083
Waifufags are a blight to be purged

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>>49691365
>its another waifu-fags shit up the thread edition

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>casting Ricochet Trap on an Acquire to keep my shit safe
>change Acquire to target the Golgari player who I know only has a Signet and it's already on the field
That's a real special feeling. My Blightsteel was going to be his.

>>49691269

I'm just saying, its slightly more complicated than a normal 2 card combo. A lot of the time nuzuri gets killed in response to shit that would give you exp counters

>>49691343

It's kinda cool with puresteel paladin and sigarda's aid but yeah I'd say in general you can go lower

Test it out though, might be good

>>49691499
>He thinks I'm in white
Oh anon you silly bitch, I'm playing Godo

>>49691496
>guy tries to mindslaver me with a shit eating grin on his face
>cast reroute to have it target himself

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>>49688083
best waifu incoming

>>49691227
Myriad (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token that's a copy of that creature that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker he or she controls. Exile the tokens at end of combat)

The copies of aurelia won't trigger extra phases the step they are brought into play and then are exiled at the end of that combat step, if you really want to get more steps that way, you'll need something like sundial of the infinite

sieze the day, aggravated assault, hellkite charger + Sword of Feast/Famine and hell even Breath of Fury are probably less convoluted

>>49686318
I'm a fan of Lord of the Void, especially if you're playing against a creature heavy or eldrazi deck. I really don't understand the thought process Wizards had when they created this card.. They could have left out the +1/+1 and it still would have been a decent card.

>>49688144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfUe2eckPFQ

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>>49691365
>>49691409
>fags that get triggered in a mongolian cave-painting show

Anybody tried building pillow fort / stax with new Marchesa? Been playing around with it on cockatrice and it's surprisingly fun. Didn't think RW would be able to pull of fort, but monarch helps a lot with issues around draw.

>>49691793
Monarch is a pretty solid draw mechanic for white but the issue is mostly that it wasn't put on anything good, mostly limited filler and jank rares save Marchesa herself who doesn't want or need other monarch cards to be played with her anyway.

>>49691726
Theyre right though.

>>49691668

i think the +1/+1 counter is flavorful and important to making the card somewhat viable

>>49691668
Kaalia player, can confirm Lord of the Void is an all star.

Usually he just ends the game if I get him out early because I hit something big and they can't deal with both of them.

>>49689128

How the stack works:

Successfully paying a cost of an effect puts the effect on "the stack".
Whoever has priority can put something else on the stack (like a literal stack of cards) or pass priority to another player. When all players have passed, the top effect of the stack resolves. Imagine taking the top card (the latest effect) off the stack.
Repeat this process until the stack is empty.

For more information, take an intro to computer science course

>>49687464
if only his art wasn't done by the WOTC interns.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-09-16-karlov-voltron/
I'm trying to make cuts for Aetherflux Reservoir and Kambal. I really can't figure out what. Probably one of the auras, protection spells, or a land. Anyone can help me out?

>>49689128
Ps Like other commenters have said, any time an effect involes a target permanent that a player controls, if that player no longer controls the permanent (even if it is still in play), the effect fizzles

DCI doesn't want you making fake trades

>>49691966
Actually, you put the spell/ability on the stack, then pay any costs. Not that the distinction actually makes too much of a difference in actual gameplay.

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>>49691305
Sorry anon, Emrakul cucked you.

>>49691998
curse of the forsaken i m h o

>>49692030
curse is actually a hidden gem here. I probably wouldn't even cut it for kambal. it's important since it curves off karlov and gives him a counter the same turn. its why i even bother to play pious evangel as well, and also why i don't play similar effects like contemplation.

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Building Savra non-tokens right now, any spicy tech?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/savra-8x8/

>>49692017

oh hey you're right
>601.2g

>>49691998

you have a bunch of combat trick little instants that seem underwhelming at first glance, but given that you have a decent density of them i assume that they've been doing well for you?

it seems to me that cards like that need to be pretty redundant to have a high impact, you want to draw 1 every game, preferably 2 or 3, so even though im not a fan of something like boon of erebos im hesitant to say you should cut 1 of those

curse of the forsaken seems pretty weak and definitely worth cutting for kambal, same cmc, kambal is likely to give you many more triggers

gelid shackles also seems like a pretty loose include with no snow covered basics

overall your deck seems to be lacking card draw, im curious if you've noticed an issue there in testing? your mana curve is extremely low to the ground, which is good, but if you lack card draw, then it can be a problem because each individual card is fairly low impact

>>49686672
>I'm too poor to afford urborg

>>49692064
I had a lot of trouble sticking karlov as well as getting through with him, so i looked up a lot of the more commonly played protection spells and put them all in. i haven't had an issue yet but time will tell. I do think I have a lot and am willing to cut down on them to include other cards, but I'm not quite sure what the right amount is and which ones to cut.

Like I said, curse seems weak but it's actually very powerful here with karlov. The reason I wouldn't switch it straight out for kambal, which is why I mentioned it here >>49692041
since it seems like a natural switch, is because I really need my three drops to immediately give me value. Kambal will get more triggers, especially in a multiplayer game, but curse getting 1-2 more triggers the turn i play it is a huge swing and makes loads karlov for the exile ability by itself if i also opened the lifelinker (turn 1 lifelinker, turn 2 karlov swing with lifelinker, karlov trigger 2 counters, turn 3 curse karlov lifelinker swing 2 more triggers for four more counters). Curse is normally a pretty bad card so I can see questioning it, but it's like a best case scenario card in karlov. it just always works with him which helps consistency a lot since the deck has an issue drawing lopsided hands where there's not enough of something or too much of another.

gelid shackles was just the cheapest pacifism effect i could play with heliod's pilgrim, as I don't care about my life total generally speaking and it does the important part of letting him get through, but it is a part of that package so it'll get cut once I get my equipment and tutors, which will also allow me to cut protection spells as well.

and yes, noticed lack of card draw but I haven't much looked into fixing it yet. not for any particular reason other than not having any idea what to use. read the bones for example is literally only in there because i felt i needed SOME sort of draw, and underworld connections is part of the pilgrim package.

How hardcore/competitive is your meta?

My friends are usually pretty competitive but we don't delve too much into mld or infinite combos

>>49690123
Besides, there's massive amount of triggers on the stack. If he draws half of his deck, he has already lost. Keep in mind, that for each draw there comes 2 more cards, which equal 4 more cards, which equal 8 more and so on. The amount of triggers is exponential, and unless among the few first cards is the instant speed removal, or if they have a sac outlet, they're gonna lose.

>>49692143
pretty casual, but one person is pulling ahead and starting an arms race.

>>49692142
>>49692064
and whilst we're on the subject, im also looking to include authority of the consuls. This is a thing I kind of have an issue with Kambal though, is that the trigger is dependant on my opponent. Kambal is less of an issue since noncreature spells is a lot more than creatures but it feels like a real thing where I could be playing and authority triggers maybe once or twice if im lucky. It may be worth it for the early making opp's creatures tapped to get the karlov through though so idk.

>>49692143
my meta is pretty competitive. thats why even my fun deck which is >>49691998 is being built to be pretty tuned, though its a work in progress still to get it there. plus i find a lot of fun in finding the best way to do something, even if that something is a stupid lifegain voltron deck.

>>49692143

combos are definitely allowed in my meta. if you combo off really early people might be salty but it just means that next time people will be gunning for you

MLD is less popular in my meta, mainly because RW isnt very popular. there is a UW stax deck that runs geddon and sunder and other land hate but the deck draws a lot of hate and doesnt have a high winrate so the meta isnt against MLD

was considering adding goblin dark dwellers for another value etb in my sedris deck

if anybody wants to look at my list, id like to know if any of you think you see a card that might be worse than goblin dark dwellers in my deck

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greatest-hits-remixed/

>>49692279

forgot to add that im also thinking about gilded lotus

>>49692143
Pretty competitive, as most of the meta splits into combo- and stax players. Lists are pretty tuned with abur-lands, fast mana and so on. The games are intense and really fun because of the high power level, but sadly I play less powerful combo and stax, so it pretty much requires me to luck out in order to win. Can't afford crypt and legal moxen. Or timetwister.

>>49692325
It wasn't that long ago when I was working on daretti that I was thinking I need to buy a mox diamond. But I kept putting it off. And putting it off. And putting it off. And now look where it is.

>>49691966

Can you explain how the perma exile effects with orings and parallax wave work with flickering? I need to understand this better if im gonna throw in sundial and panharmicon into the mix

>>49692279
Anathemancer? idk

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>tfw the lore has devolved into avengers starring jace

When is Garruk stepping in and killing one of them off? I'm hoping it's either Jace or Nissa.

>>49692350

i was actually looking for cuts, not adds, but anathemancer is a cool card. not sure i need more pure damage dealers though

>>49691998
Hm, I'm thinking maybe blind obedience? it just occurred to me as nice as a card it is, its in a weird spot. even if i cast it turn 2 and hold off on karlov to extort him, he doesn't get the counter that turn, and as much as i like extort i cut all the others quickly since i didn't like having to pay extra mana to do things. Blind Obedience doesn't fit my curve very well in other words.

>>49692351

>nissa has been retconned from "green supremacist dindu" to ditzy girl that does the jitterbug with trees
Jesus, she got even worse

>>49692279
Your curve is almost 4, less than 30% of your deck can be hit by dark dwellers, Id say skip it.

Plus, wouldn't it be better to replace instants and sorceries with ETB creatures in Sedris? I don't play him so I don't know.

>>49692399
and only 17 cards can be hit by Dark Dwellers

>>49692378
>Cut obedience and feat of resistance
>The new curve
It's because i try to always plan to cast karlov turn 2 so i play fewer two drops than 1 and 3 drops but it still triggers me.

>>49692399

the number of hits is much lower than 30%, i would consider it an auto-include if 30% of my deck was a hit

the reason im considering it is because all the hits are pretty important

buried alive
demonic tutor
5 looting spells
2 wheels
2 removal spells
2 ghostly flickers
2 reanimation spells

generally youre right that you want most of your stuff to be ETB creatures, thats why i have 32 creatures, 31 of which have etb abilities

however i still need to set up which is why the other half of my nonland cards are mana rocks, looting spells, and other stuff to make the etb creatures plan work

side note i think the mana curve is very misleading because im almost hardcasting any of the 6, 7, or 8 drop spells besides cyc rift, also there are mulldrifter, shriekmaw, and ingot chewer which are really a 3 drop, a 2 drop, and a 1 drop in my deck, they arent 5 drops

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Anyone think this will become a really common edh mana rock?

>>49692351
Fuck you, lore jace at least represents blue accurately. Nissa is a collasal waste of plot armor and feels more like an oc that somebody tried to write into canon after the character achived some sort of popularity on fanfic.net.

>>49689563
>>49689517

I have Outpost Siege and I know what Pyromancer is. Is "Torch" the new Chandra, Torch of Defiance?

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>265/264
can someone explain?

>>49693000
If only because of new players cracking boosters and building shit decks, sure.

>>49693112
Legal in the set, but sold in a sealed product meant for nubs. It happens to contain a card needed to make mono red burn playable.

>>49693119

I see, thanks.

>>49693000
Yes, ive already seen big boosts in my testing. It really works well with elspeth, daretti and newest gideon

>>49691195

Sword of Feast and Famine + Aggravated Assault.

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Poorfag here. Gonna go buy a single booster pack and hope to get a panharmonicon. First person to reply to me gets to tell me which art to pick for the pack. Maybe if someone else decides for me I won't open garbage like every other pack I've ever opened.

>>49693000

I pulled one and might put it in my artifact deck. Seems alright, but it's basically a Commander's Sphere without the draw option or Darksteel Ingot without the indestructible protection. The tradeoff being the option to attack in later game when you've got plenty of mana.

>>49693353
Just go to tcgplayer and buy a Panharmonicon, it's worth less than a pack.

>>49693391
I don't have a bank account. I am a poorfag.

>>49693398
>I don't have a bank account.
Underage b& inc.

>>49693398
Fuck off retard.

>>49692351
Well, apparently it's been confirmed that after amunket or whatever the name was again, the gatewatch would end, so it's highly likely we're gonna have some of them die.

My money is on Gideon, nobody cares about Gideon anyway.

>>49693445
If anything the order they should die is this. Jace, Nissa, Liliana, Gideon, Chandra.

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>>49692021

>Twins they were.

>>49693353
you could spend like 10 more cents and just buy a Panharmonican

Maybe you're a poorfag because you're retarded

>>49693553
You mean, not even a quarter? panharmonicon is 60 cents, a booster 3,5.

>>49690431
Why does that upset you

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>>49690092
>>49690110
>>49690229
>>49690349
You don't need either.
They are pointless.
I have a pretty good Sliver deck and it always plays the same way.
>play Overlord
>play Crystaline
>play Hivelord if I'm afraid there's a field wipe is coming
>play Constricting/Harmonic/Shifting if someone has something stopping me from attacking
>start swinging
>maybe get some buffs or double strike or Brood Sliver
It so straight forward and easy to do.
There's pretty much no reason to spend that $60

>>49690733
Heartless Hidetsugu.

>>49693445
Source?

>>49693855
Not sure, it was something I heard yesterday at my FLGS. I think it was from an interview with rosewater or something?

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>>49686271
I love this guy so much.

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>>49688083
EZ

>>49693889
I'm pretty certain MaRo said they're here forever and we can all just go fuck ourselves.

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>>49693983
>>not taking zombie naga

>>49694072

>cloaca so hot you could fry an egg

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>>49688083
Weaklings.

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>>49694072
Sorry, but I don't like cold dirty swamp-water cloaca.
I think I'll stick with the person who's name literally translates to "Pussycat."

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Hmm, I need help making this work anons:
>brago, strionic resonator, sol ring
>archeomancer out with a rock that generates U and enters untapped
>Portent in the yard

Now here's where things get silly. I want to flicker archeomancer infinitely, which is easy enough, and recur portent a fuckload of times. Why? So I can literally reorganize their entire deck and put all their lands on top in a giant clump. Now how do I avoid decking myself at the beginning of the next turns upkeep like I have been doing, or is it just unavoidable and something I'll have to deal with?

>>49694681

You can run spirit of the labyrinth

>>49694798
Nice, you're thinking for me, which I like, but I think that would fuck me more often than it would help, because my deck is all about cantrips and card draw.

Now, in my head I was theory crafting something where I send an Eldrazi Titan or whatever into the yard, and that acts as my safety valve once it gets discarded, and normally that would work with a discard outlet in b or g, but w/u doesn't have anything like that, as far as I'm aware.

>>49694681
You could just flicker Mesmeric Sliver infinitely and not have to jump through all those hoops.

>>49693916
Kinda wanna try him, but I doubt it's gonna be that useful even when I have a shitton of mana.

>>49694681
Laboratory Maniac, obviously. Run Teferi (the creature) to avoid spot removal. I think Azami's Familiar also stops you from decking with its replacement effect.

>>49694861
>Mesmeric Sliver
Yup, perfect. Absolutely perfect. I'm going to start running that right now.

>>49694875
>Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Nah, not my style. I don't have enough money for that guy, and to be honest with myself, I'm aware of the hate this is going to generate so I have a few sneaky things and a bunch of wraths to help out.

>Azami's Familiar
Now that looks nice for a few decks, but I don't think I'm going to be able to get it out, outside of magical christmas land. The rocks are more believable since I`m running a full suite of artifact tutors, which means I really only needed to hit Archeomancer and tutor the rest, but I don`t think a 6 drop do-nothing is going to be very viable. Totally humiliating? Absolutely. Viable? Not so much.

What is some good multipurpose removal in esper colors? I don't want to run things that are purely creature removal or purely enchantment/artifact removal. Already got O-Ring style effects and Anguished Unmaking.

>>49695051
oblation

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>>49695051
Man, this is somehow an unknown card to players. Makes me feel fucking old.

>>49695051
>what's some good removal
>in removal: the colours
Literally anything.

>I don't want to run things that are purely creature removal or purely enchantment/artifact removal.
Yes, you do, because if you don't, you're going to wind up with a bunch of unplayable bullshit that doesn't remove anything very well.

Before I help you out with suggestions, who is your commander?

>>49695081
Well oblation is quite shit now with the new rule changes that makes the commander go to the commandzone if it would be shuffled into the deck. Or atleast not as good as before

Gisela is best waifu

>>49695152

Definitely not as good as before but definitely not shit

Giving your opponent two cards is a bad downside but that just means you need to be conservative with it

Something that can hit any nonland permanent at instant speed, including indestructible or regenerating, planeswalkers, etc and get rid of them semi permanently, is really strong

>>49695175
No anon, 4chan free from waifu talk is the best waifu.

>>49695100
Calm your tits anon, I know what vindicate is but it's still a touch expensive. Anguished unmaking is better in commander as it exiles and is instant speed, the benefits of being able to hit lands is somewhat negligible in my playgroup as we are all poorfags and aren't playing Gaea's Cradle or other busted lands.
>>49695081
This one somehow slipped my mind, along with Unexpectedly Absent. Thanks anon!
>>49695109
Wow, guess I'll be running Assassin's Strike since literally anything is good removal if it's in esper colors. If you want to be an unhelpful faggot just don't post anything instead of waving your dick around as if you know what you're talking about.
>If you don't [run specific removal], you're going to wind up with a bunch of unplayable bullshit that doesn't remove anything very well.
You've actually got it entirely backwards. If I run specific removal I'm going to wind up with Doomblade and Dismember in my hand when my opponent has a Caged Sun in play. Flexibility is worth an increase in mana cost, especially with the high amounts of ramp and generally slower games of Commander.

>>49695193
Pls don't hate other people's religons. Church of Gisela is very important to me.

>>49695192
Oh yeah fair point. But I prefer Utter end or that new card for 3 mana and loose 3 life for an exile. They both go into esper as well which is nice

>>49694426
Did you ever suddenly realise that your deck had a combo you never noticed when you put the deck together?

I just did with my Glissa traitor deck, where I found out my Krark-clan ironworks and hangarback walker work in perfect unison to keep making a bigger hangarback. Add in marionette master and it's insane damage factory, as long as I can reliably get kill effects (which generally isn't a problem for the deck).

>>49695229
Yup, and with that, no help will be given. Have fun posting here, seems like you'll be a really productive member of the community.

>>49695256
Haha my entire brago deck. Suddenly I realised I can get infinte life and birds with wingm8 roc while playinc

>>49695051
Utter End

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Tried out my Rashmi deck for the first time yesterday, now I want to do Rashmi(+Momir) shenanigans even more.
Like flash in pic with evoke, search for a 3cmc card and give it +3/+3 for only 2 fucking mana. The possibilities are insane.

Too bad most of the cards I wanna try out are some shitt uncommons, so no reason to order them.

>>49695365
>Too bad most of the cards I wanna try out are some shitt uncommons, so no reason to order them.
You're thinking about it the wrong way. That gives you an excuse TO order them because they aren't expensive.

Personally, after grabbing a Momir, I wanted to run Biovisonary rite of reflections with various clone cards, like that Alter Ego thing and Progenitor Mimic. Could be fun, although extremely janky.

>>49695394
I only just recently bought some crap like 20 mana dudes to get my shit rolling. I still don't know if I wanna do a creature based theme or instant/sorcery shit. But since I have two Rashmis, I might just do both eventually.

What are some good 7cmc or higher green creatures? I have some targets for 6cmc, but nothing that can fetch them yet.

>>49695427
Do they need to be monogreen, or does simic work?

>>49695458
Can be anything as long as it enables me to fetch Consecrated Sphinx, Mimic or some other shit.
Craterhoof would be neat if I ever want to spend the money. Kinda doubt I need card draw then though.

>>49690323
such great tits.

>>49695481
Here's some things that I found for you:

>Simic Sky Swallower
>Plated Slagwurm
>Vorinclex
>Patron of Orochi
>Avatar of Might
>Living Hive
>WOODFALL PRIMUS!
>Liege of the Tangle
>Sekki, Seasons' Guide
>Lashweed Lurker (though it`s not quite as good)
> Verdant Force

>Always build fun spikey commander decks.
>Not ones that are super uninteractive and boring just filled with good cards
>Mostly play with friends, some complain that our meta is too powerful
>Decide go to play at LGS
>People playing with shit decks filled with uncommons and junk rares
>Get berated for winning and playing more expensive cards because I have a larger collection


Has this ever happened to you guys?

I tried making Rashmi, I just keep on accidentally going infinite when any other player on the table plays something that generates mana.

Last time it was infinite mana through rite of replicationing a Lotus Cobra and flickering a land over and over.

The game before that it was a Doubling Cube that I kept creating clones of indefinitely.

One game someone played an additional turn card, chancellor of the spires and infinite clones later, I win.

The best way to play Rashmi that I've seen is just straight up control. The first counterspell each turn draws you a new card OR casts a free spell, if you want it to.
Then on your turn you just drop a witness, archaeomancer, mnemonic wall or something similar to get back your counterspells, and keep on building your card advantage until you hit critical mass and just blow up with a Clone Legion or by looping a clone spell (Supplant Form, Saheeli's Artistry, Rite of Replication etc), panharmonicon for added ease.

Usually I win by making a thousand Acidic Slimes.

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Has anyone found a niche for this cold bitch? She seems like on eof the rare mardu commanders that isn't completely shit (Oros) or a one trick pony (Kaalia, Zurgo, Alesha).

From what I see people usually build a very bland pilowfort deck. Any of you got some spicy tech for her?

Some ideas I have:
>Soltari visionary - works both with getting back monarchy and a repeatedly killing enchantments.
>Thornbite Staff/Viridian Longbow - Using her/token's deathtouch to kill creatures
>Ophiomancer - give syou a deathtouch blocker every turn, or someone to get monarchy back
>Delaying Shield - turn combat damage into life loss, so I don't lose monrachy.
?Conjurer's Closet - can be useful with loads of ETB triggers.

>>49695613
List?

>>49695673
Kinda just threw the deck together with spare cards I had lying around a few days ago, haven't made a list yet and even if I did it would honestly be pretty terrible.

No Leyline of Anticipation, Vedalken Orrery, Reliquary Tower, Sol Ring, Kruphix, etc.

>>49695613
That's how I imagined it. Have metallurgic summonings to pump out creatures while at it. Also Jace's Sanctum, cause cost reduction and scrying is never wrong.
I wanted to play Reclaim here and there, but so far I've only got counterspells in my graveyard. Which is kinda useless if you already use a counterspell.

Funnily enough, I've also played against mono blue yesterday and he used glove to double Island's mana. Was pretty rad.

>>49695588
Thanks man, will look into it if I have money again. Lashweed isn't really green though.

>>49695607
The opposite. Our playgroup's fairly casual, while the LGS is super fucking cutthroat. Games tend to end on turn 4-5 there, while games in our playgroup can take several hours. That's why I've got seperate decks for both. I'm never gonna play my Ghave with my friends, for instance.

>>49695245

Anguished unmaking is definitely better than oblation, utter end is close

WB gets good removal though, that's the main draw of the color combo

>>49690092
You don't really need them unless your playgroup is off the fucking chain. I run an Overlord deck, and my foil Overlord cost me like $5 at a local shop. I like to throw out Ward/Diffusion/Virulent and maybe Telekentic/Flying Slivers if I'm feeling threatened. Shifting is also excellent. So is the one that makes Slivers Shades. Fucking nobody has an answer for shades these days besides an Eviction or Wrath. I think I spent a total of 20 bucks putting this deck together.

>>49695753
Several of my poorer friends who have less interest in playing competitively have complained to me that mine and another spike friends decks are too consistent and too powerful. When we tried to power them down nothign happened.

I need help

>>49695607
this is what I dealt with 100%. I used to play at my college with scrubs that couldn't deal (and still can't deal) with the power level of my decks. I went to my local store and met up with some people that are actually competent (know the reserved list, understand how to use/abuse old cards) and I haven't looked back sense. It feels so good to finally be accepted at my higher skill level and to be challenged!

>>49695778

Tell your poorer friends to git gud or institute a strict price limit

No cards over $5 for instance

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>>49695778
I don't think I can really help you. I can't really emphathize with the Spike mindset, since I'm a 100% Johnny. I love going through my crap rares and discover stuff that looks fun, winrate be damned. And that's kinda the principle most of my more casual decks are based on.

>>49695761
also, if you're looking for a quick and cheap laugh, throw a Civic Saber in there to Voltron your Overlord into a 12/7 for two mana.

>>49695607
i had the opposite problem - the people who i used to play with had really insanely powerful decks but now I don't have an issue because i got good and started building decks that can actually compete and took apart my RW deck [\spoiler]

>>49695814
Price limits are pretty fucking stupid, since price jumps around and has nearly nothing to do with the power of the card in EDH.

If someone runs a card and it jumps in value will they have to cut it? What if an expensive card gets a reprint and drops? What if a card is expensive only because of a legacy combo that isn't even in the colors he is running?

Price has nothing to with power, supply does. If all the cards you complain about were reprinted as Commons in the next set it does nothing.

All that limit would do is make poorfags and newfags feel better until he wins another game anyway.

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>>49695539
You like great tits eh? Nin is fucking stacked m8.

>>49695152
>>49695192
My favourite use for it is getting a stolen commander back and also drawing cards in the process

>>49692143
pretty casual. There's a handful of combos, but people shut those decks down any game they appear in, and people swap back to their fun decks. I'm able to win with wheel of fortune slivers about 20% of the time.

>>49695972

Idk man it doesn't sound stupid to me

Poor people keep losing, give them no excuse

Most of your post is beside the point, the price limit isn't to make a perfectly balanced format, it's to make his poor friends feel better