EDH/Commander General

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I claim Karlov. Press "F" to pay respects.

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Postin again
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-06-15-where-the-wild-things-are/
Give suggestions, pls

>>49673200
Kemba
>>49673198
Meren and spore frog
>>49673089
Niv mizzet
>>49673176
Aurelia
>>49673148
Kalemne

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>>49673248
We also got this for the creature heavy decks.

>>49673268
>Press "F" to pay respects.
>Not forcing people to actually pay money to pay respects.

You're clearly not worthy of claiming Karlov.

>>49673256
>Kemba

More huge than that.

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>>49673246
I've got Zada up to being a double-trike, trample, 19/6... And all my other Goblins up to double-strike, trample, 17/4's

I mean, it lasts one turn, but really that could be all you need.

>>49673246

Not my deck, but,

Muzzio
(Voltron)

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>>49673289
What do you think you're paying him in? You're worthless feelings?

>>49673298
Mirri? Jareth is not a lady.

>>49673246
>Do you have a favorite commander with base power 3 or less, and is FULLY capable of getting huge as the game goes on?
His name is Animar and boy does he grow huge.

>>49673298
Sharuum?

>>49673376
Nailed it.

>>49673392
That's clearly a catbird, not a cat.

>>49673246
>Thread topic: Do you have a favorite commander with base power 3 or less, and is FULLY capable of getting huge as the game goes on?
Yes. Very much yes. Best part is, no one ever expects. All the see is what is probably some shitty Snek tribal with the obligatory "Great Snek Mistake".

To add to the thread topic, which one of your decks has the lowest mana curve? The one where, by the fourth land drop, you're already in late game, while everyone else has just started playing? The deck that laughs in the face of MLD and isn't all that bothered by tax effects? Here's mine: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mgs-kamigawa-crisis/

It's made strictly for 1v1 non-french.

>>49673416
I said "kinda".

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>>49673432
Shit, forgot pic.

>>49673432
>To add to the thread topic, which one of your decks has the lowest mana curve?
I think Melek. But that's because it's a Fireball deck and X is counted as 0, the Fireball win is usually fucking massive amounts of damage copied 2 or 3 times.

>>49673453
I wasn't even aware that Kaseto had another mode than "unblockable finisher for UG control shell".

A friend of mine had a mono green snek tribal, he made this his commander after it got released and after realizing he was always better off just using it as a voltron/pump unblockable beatstick he went back to the mono green version.

Speaking of Karlov, I'm interested in knowing what the correct amount of protection and removal is. I also wonder if it's worth playing more of the 3 cmc+ effects that generate lifegain triggers, stuff like Contemplation, Righteous Cause, and Orrim's Prayer. I might play Contemplation but I don't know if it's worth it.

Also wondering if I should build it closer to soul sisters and have token generators. That was how I had it at first but I didn't have Suture Priest or pious evangel and I still don't have Auriok Champion.

>>49673496
Not him but this is the main reason I was disappointed by kaseto. His reward for snakes is so shit it's unreal, especially when he's so much better just being a voltron wincon.

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>>49673453
>>49673496
>>49673529

You could build some sort of shit tier infect deck.

Reposting this thread.

>>49673274
Echoing this anon >>49673022 32 is not a sane number of lands to run. 37-8 is normal and that's assuming you have some acceleration to play early. I don't see many ways to refill your hand, so I'm concerned this deck just loses to a board wipe. It seems to lack focus, with some cards like Balefire Dragon wanting to go big and others like Craterhoof and Ascension wanting to go wide. There's a lot of 1 for 1 point removal, which is not good in this format, replace it with more repeatable removal and sweepers (or more ramp/CA). Bow is an ok deathtouch enabler, but Nightshade Peddler and Basilisk Collar are better. You've also got a pretty steep curve, with a mode of 4; trim some 4+ mana cards for <3 mana replacements. I get the impression you play against a lot of Theros gods, if I'm correct then pick up Hallowed Burial, Song of the Dryads, and Descend Upon the Sinful. Primal Surge is awful with all the other instants and sorceries you're packing, not to mention the hydras that come in as 0/0.

This is my list for reference: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/fires-of-yavinaya-1/

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>>49673246
Yeah, I have pic related and he can get very incredible hihg FAST!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karametra-sitter-of-faces/

updated this shit thanks to advice from last thread does it look nice and cool now? Definitely feels a lot more streamlined, want to make room for white gearhulk and trim further on noncreature spells but i can't find room for it and it's quite bad.

Also not sure I have enough basics.

>>49673617
5 strikes with Kaseto or not, what a deal. I rather play Blight Mamba. That snek kills peple in incredible hihg speed

>>49673496
>>49673529
Wow, really? My experience with him in my meta and seeing here on /tg/ has been vastly different. Everyone and their moms where going on about Snek tribal, when the first and only thought was, "Holy Shit, this guy is AWESOME for Voltron!". Worst part is when I would go to my FLGS for EDH night and be paired with another dude doing some dumb, shitty Snek tribal. It IRKS me and I feel forced to pull him out, if only to show them how it's done.

>>49673617
I had Grafted Exoskeleton in the deck but took it out because it cost too much mana-wise to be of much use.

>>49673658
Fuck off with your shitty deck every fucking thread faggot.

>>49673658
Ia facesitting fetish a meme now?

>>49673701
do not be rude this is like the second time I have posted it, maybe the third

>>49673648
honestly, i never thought of the hydras
what should go in/come out?

>>49673065

Some bitch that likes reading a lot.

>>49673727
You're a liar. It's in each thread about 5 times. Fuck off.

>>49674000
ur gay lol.

>>49673972
Azami?

>>49674020
yerup. Best deck I ever made.

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Should I just cave in and make a UGx deck

>>49674039
Make UGB that isnt Leovold.

I just finished Sidisi today and piloted it in a 3 player game against Roon and Prosh.

Killing people with flying zombies always results in a good time.

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>>49674039
You can build fun UGx, you know.

>>49673432
>Yes. Very much yes. Best part is, no one ever expects.
So the trick is to pump her and kill with unblockable commander damage? How do you make her hueg?

>>49673496
How does monogreen snek tribal go?

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>The 4 color commanders that don't have blue or green will be shit

>>49674146
No, that's just the ultimate within generic goodstuff

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>>49674155
Ridiculously well.

Like holy shit I was not expecting to get crushed by all those common 1-2 drop snakes.

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>playing for the first time in weeks on Saturday
>2 new decks to try
Gonna be great my niggas

>>49674167
Not if you build big battlecruising and clone those. Let your inner Timmy out.

>>49673529
Design a Snake legend who isn't mediocre as a general.

>>49674195
That's a trick questions, and I don't know why you thought you could get me with it considering how very careful I was with my words to clarify what specifically was wrong with kaseto in terms of making him a snake tribal commander.

>>49674193
>big battlecruising magic
I'm already a battlecruiser master.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-bad-monstrosities/

>>49674190
Surely that's the same as elves, except they get more lords and better and more 1-2 drops?

>>49674240
I meant as a general for snake tribal.

>>49674261
Of course elves are far stronger than fucking snakes, the entire point is that it's a niche tribe that gets flavor points. Everyone expects elves to do degenerate shit.

>>49674261
I know what you meant. What you meant was to put me in a trap of making something that was still weak because snake tribal is an inherently shit concept or making something too broken, but the former was not the point of my post. What was wrong with kaseto was what he does is not good for a tribal deck in commander. A tribal deck doesn't want to spend 2 mana to make one random weenie get +2/+2 and unblockable in commander.

>>49674261
Elves aren't snakes though don't be boring

>>49674325
Honestly I just enjoy seeing custom cards.

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>tfw I ordered a damaged card for cheap and received this

>>49674470
>not buying a set when they were a buck apiece

>>49674470
ha

>>49674488
I just got into the game recently.

>>49674470
That does seem damaged.

>>49674488
>tfw you opened them when they were $1 apiece

Painful at the time.

>>49673246
So I have a Narset, Enlightened Master that I pulled at Khans' pre-release and I was thinking of putting her to use as I usually just roll Thalia and make the combo players in my group cry.

Any particular deck she would shine in?

>>49674532
>Any particular deck she would shine in?
The one where she takes all the extra turns and combat phases

>>49674155
By ramping and equipping him with shit that (usually) has a 1 mana to 1 power ratio. One of the best games I had with the deck had me hit someone turn 4 with 40 doublestrike, double damage. Literally gave me a boner. Jitte, Inquisitor's Flail, Illusionist's Bracers, and Fireshrieker help IMMENSELY with pumping him up.

>>49674569
>Literally gave me a boner.
Anon...

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I NEED PICTURES

PICTURES OF GREEN TOKEN MAKERS

>>49674606
Creatures or Sorceries?

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>>49674606
Got it boss.

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>>49674606
You mean like a one-man army of badasses?

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>>49674606

>>49674637
Either, preferably instants/sorceries
It's for Wort

>>49674594
Is it wrong to feel pleasure, nay, arousal at the sight of SHEER POWER under your control, spelling your opponent's doom? If so, I really don't want to be right.

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>>49674651
Oh, wort you say?

>>49674648
Didn't know this existed

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>>49674606
You shoulda said that to begin with.

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Finally got a chance to play Chronomantic Escape and I gotta say: in longer games it is a huge relief to not have to worry about combat damage every 3 turns.

>>49674691
That is nice. Also fits well in my battlecruiser meta, I think this card will put in work

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>>49674606

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>>49674651
This one is pretty nice.

Gives you surprise conspire in the lategame when you use the flashback.

Or you just use the tokens you got from the first cast to conspire the second.

Great either way.

Looking for some cool budget picks for my Borborygmos Enraged deck.

This is the funnest commander but I'm on a winstreak with him and now my table hates him.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-10-16-borborygmos-enraged/

>>49674683
Pair with Cytoshape and/or Mirrorweave and go ham.

Tips for trying to meet people IRL who play mtg besides lurking the LGS?

>>49673246
Oh hey that's my new commander

Every commander feels fucking boring now.

I typically like playing really aggressively, and dropping bomb card after bomb after bomb. I've played my Kaalia deck to death and no other commander looks like it does something similar.

Suggestions?

>>49674661
No, tbH. I'm just jelly.

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>>49674747
Get him in german.

Got it as an alternate wincon in my Angry Omnath

>>49674778
There's no need. You too can feel this way, just build a deck that does it for you like it does for me...

>>49674691
>>49674713
I'm disgusted that not only did someone suggest this abomination of a card but that someone accepted it as playable

>>49674747
>No Zuran Orb

What? That's like the most important card in Borborygmos.

>Tap all lands
>sac all to gain 40 life
>use floating mana to cast creeping rennaisance
>return all lands
>kill one or two players
>flashback rennaisance
>kill the rest of the table

>>49674775
>search for legendary creatures
>643 results

Even if we filter out the banned and unplayable I'm sure you could find one out of 200+ choices that had a new and interesting play style you colossal baby

>>49674759
Hang out on college campuses. Assuming you have at least one friend shuffle up and play in the union/student center and bring a few extra decks.

>>49674854
I suggested the card and I run it as well.

>>49674775
Check >>49674242

It's not the commander that's making things samey for you, it's that you build the decks too similarly.

Try putting some extreme restrictions on your own deckbuilding. Like only playing cards with even number of letters in their name, or a picture with a building in it, or only creatures with odd toughness etc.

Create your own variety.

>>49674753
>not playing blue

Every time.

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>>49674651
Flashback spells with give you great value. The "for each forest" ones will give you varying mileage depending on how many basics you run.

>>49674901
Gross

>>49674899
That's actually a good idea, thanks.
Most people play Yu Gi Oh here though.

>>49674648
Bonus points for bonkers Devotion during your second main phase.

Bow of Nylea is also good with them.

>>49674878
I've heard of Storm Cauldron over Zuran Orb.

>>49674901
It's not too bad in wort when conspired

>>49675021
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that, because my playgroup wouldn't let me use it due to how strong it is.

>>49674854
I run 4 in my modern r/g aggro deck. It's the best card in the deck and wins me tons of games.

>>49675130
>7 mana
>aggro

No

>>49674935
You can also play him in Trostani and just spawn stacks of nacatls every turn.

>>49675159
This is also fine but far less degenerate than making 15 inferno Titans etc.
I'll find something fun to do with it in GW if I try hard enough

So Paragon of Eternal Wilds or Gaea's Anthem for a buff effect in mono green?

Can someone recommend more cards for my deck? I'm trying to cut out the black in it so I can put in Ruric Thar as the commander, but I'm running out of cards to put in.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-10-16-jund-value/

>>49675297
Why not both?
Why not Beastmaster Ascension?

>>49675328
I only have room for one.

Beastmaster has a big fat target on its head and I need to have 7 attack triggers before it actually does something. I don't run a bunch of mana dorks or Wood elves to justify it If I draw it early.

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>>49674470
That's cute

Speaking of custom art, do you guys do anything for proxies? Was getting bored at looking at sharpie on a card back for my Liliana so I doodled this on receipt paper today. Kinda wish blank MTG cards existed like blank comic covers because I see what Karla Ortiz does with her card backs and it's rad.

Also just post customs I guess, those are always neat to look at.

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>>49675652
Karla Ortiz thing I mentioned.

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>>49675741
OH! I didn't know about those. Maybe one day I'll try to scoop some up to try some art on them.

Still wish there was a more immediate form of them being printed. Like just have a small deck pack of blank proxy cards next to sleeves or something for people to buy. Maybe they do exist and I'm just not googling enough though.

>>49675838
they dont exist, WotC is vehemently against proxies of any kind, if they could ban you from putting a piece of sharpied paper over basic lands and playing them at your kitchen table, they would.

Hey guys I'm fairly new to mtg, litterly started a week ago. I'm building a white, blue, black deck and I just have a question regarding a play. If I play a card that requires opponents to pay 2 mana in order to attack me, if I have another card that has a similar effect do the effect stack? Such that they have to pay 4 mana total?

>>49675882
yes

>>49675882
Technically yes, but it's moreso you pay two for the first trigger, and then 2 for the second trigger. A total of 4.

There is literally a strategy built around this called Stax, where you just aim to make it difficult for your opponents to do anything.

>>49675896
Ok. Another question, if I have one that causes me to gain life, and multiple cards that say life is doubled do the multipliers stack?

>>49675928

Each replacement effect will apply to an event exactly once

The event is gaining life, let's say 5, so if you have two replacement effects that each say "if you would gain life, gain double instead", the first will replace that 5 life with 10, then the second will replace that 10 life with 20

>>49675965
Ah ok that makes way more sense then what I was trying to wrap my mind around.

One last question, what's a good deck ratio? Like how many lands, sorcery cards, instants, creatures and so on should I have. I un Der stand it's a mtter of playing alot and seeing what works but I'd like to know what everyone typically plays with.

>>49676009
It depends a LOT on the mana cost of the cards in the deck.

In 60 card decks you want to go for 23 lands as a general rule. Slow decks can run 24-26, fast decks can run 19-22, although there are extremes in both categories where you find decks as few as 10 lands or as many as 35.

You should probably stick to 23-24.

In Commander (This general) where you have a 100 card deck, you typically want 36-38 lands. Although some run down to 30 while others run up to 42-45, depending on theme and curve. I'd probably aim for 37 or 38 lands there.

>>49676034
>>49676009
As for all other permanents? There's no rules there.
Creature heavy decks typically have almost only creatures with 4-8 noncreature spells. Although there exist those that run only creatures too.

Some control decks run only one single creature.

Some combo decks run absolutely none.

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So, /edh/, I've got a question for you.
Would you be willing to participate in a "You make the commander" contest? The only rules are no new keyboards and Wizards reserves the liberty to modify the costs, power, toughness or effect scales, though they will -try- to keep the original idea.

>>49676058
>3WR
>first strike
>whenever another creature ETB under your control, gain life equal to toughness
>whenever another creature LTB under your control, target opponent loses life equal to power
>4/4

There, I saved WR

>>49676009

Totally depends on the commander and strategy

a talrand Sky summoner deck wants like 40 instants and sorceries but a ruric thar deck wants like 5 or less, an artifact deck wants like 40 artifacts but other decks want like 3

You can be pretty sure you want like 34-40 lands in a normal deck that doesn't care especially much about lands (as opposed to gitrog or Titania)

>>49676058
That'd be ez. Everyone in /ccg/ probably has two dozen legendaries laying around.

>>49676108
>still no draw

>>49676108
Or make it dies instead of LTB if you are afraid of WR ever being competetive in commander.

Hey /edh/ why are commander players so sensitive? Whenever I play commander everyone gets super butt hurt whenever anyone does anything aggressive at all.
>WTF why are you attacking me what did I do to you?
>WTF you're killing my creature with spot removal?
>WTF you're playing graveyard hate, you're gonna bojuka bog ME?
Is my playgroup just a bunch of pussies or is every playgroup like this? Why do edh players take things so personally?

Thar is useless in a "turn creatures sideways" meta, isn't he?

>>49676108

Change the life loss to damage, it's red not black

the second ability alone is stupidly broken

>>49676145
>3WR
>first strike
>whenever another creature you control enters the battlefield, gain life equal to toughness
>whenever another creature you control dies, target opponent loses life equal to power
>whenever another creature under your control is exiled, draw a card.
>4/4

There, now it's unique even.

>>49676164

It's just your playgroup

Play more 1v1 so people get accustomed to getting be brunt of somebody's stuff

>>49676171

No, it would have to be a pretty extreme turn sideways meta for that to be true

Ruric thar is decent against any deck with 30 or less creatures

>>49674261
>coiled oracle

Why not both?

>>49674648
extra combat steps hnnnnnng

>>49676203
It's a pretty extreme turn sideways meta. Except for the Lazav guy.

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>keep putting off Alesha "combat damage" hatebears
I just need to hunker down and build that shit

My wallet is afraid of 3-color mana bases

Hey its me the noob asking the stacking questions again haha.

So I'm playing with a group of brothers from my fraternity and we have a "league" (I think that's what they called it) where we have rules to follow so that the noob is (myself and one other friend) don't get wrecked. So the rules are as follows:

No single card can be worth more that 5 dollars.

The exceptions to this is if the card comes in a premade deck such as "plunder the graves" (I have been using this).

I'm wanting to build a deck centered aron life gain and win conditions set around this as well as somewhat a control deck. I will be using Orolo as my commander.

Any recommendations?

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>>49676266
Christ, same. I don't wanna make a tricolor deck because I don't have the dosh for all those fetches and shit.

>>49676253

I'm not talking extreme in terms of the percentage of decks that are turn sideways decks, I'm talking extreme in terms of number of creature spells in their deck

A beatdown deck can still be running sword of feast and famine or true conviction or battle mastery, etc etc etc

And they'll be running some instants and sorceries like board wipes and removal

As long as the creature counts themselves aren't extremely high (>30 all around) ruric thar is still decent

>>49676291
I drafted/pulled some in KTK-FRF but it's not nearly enough. My meta's not even competitive but the small Spike part of me wants consistent mana.

>>49676290
>no card worth more than 5 bucks
>excludes precons
Get the 2014 red precon and smash some shit

>>49676310
You underestimate my trash meta. Super great to play with but their decks are terrible

Remember those posts a while back about guys buying a booster box on every new set, and never buying actual good singles? And dragging me for buying good singles? That was me. This is what I am stuck with.

>finish constructing Animar
>realize that a guy in our playgroup uses a B/W deck
Am I a dick for still wanting to use Animar? Do you guys ever run into stuff like this with your groups? I feel like I'll ruin all of our multiplayer games.

>>49676333
Lol I'll look into that. Any suggestions for the orolo deck?

>>49676358

I'm not even saying it's bad to run high creature counts

If anything noobs are more likely to ignore card type counts and end up with balanced decklists

>>49676382
edhrec.com

>>49676183
Loss of life without black? No, that's not right.

Should be something like this;

>3WR
>first strike, menace
>creatures you control have menace and "Whenever a creature you control deals damage, draw a card."

>>49676382
Don't use it. Lifegain is boring and bad, as is Oloro. Trust me, I fell prey to the lifegain trap because it felt "safe," but getting blown out by commander damage or Infect will erase all illusions of safety.

If you really want a "life matters" commander, or at least a deck that can use lifegain to its advantage, use Chainer, Ayli or Karlov.

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>>49676415
Just swap the loss of life with direct damage.

>>49676058
>1WR - Marcus, Logistics Expert
>If a non-basic land entered the battlefield under an opponents control since your last turn you may play an additional land this turn

>whenever an artifact or non basic land an opponent controls enters the graveyard you may draw a card.

>>49676363
All the time.

>build Izzet spellslingan because never done it before and wanted to feel like a wizard
>bunch of people bust out creature-heavy decks, build huge boardstates and think they're safe from my pitiful Talrand 2/2s and Yung Peezy 1/1 tokens
>massive Fireball copied 3 times to kill the table out of nowhere
They got mad that night.

>>49676460
>whenever your opponent fetches a land or you wasteland, draw a card

Good job, you made a $400 legacy staple

>>49676415
>whenever a creature you control attacks, you may draw a card, if you do, discard a card.
>whenever a nontoken creature enters your graveyard from anywhere, put a 1/1 soldier into play.

W/R is fixed.

>>49676470
Fine, change it to just artifacts then.

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I should've known this would have prompted a bunch of custom cards.

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>Someone gets so mad at your deck from last time that they build a deck specifically to counter it for this session
I'm a little rustled right now, mainly because I didn't think it was that bad.

So many Disenchants...

>>49676470

I'm not so sure, it's a 3 drop and dies to bolt, probably not even playable desu, there is no fetching going on by the time it hits play

>>49676429
Thanks for the advice!

>>49676385
It's not bad, but it's ALL they do. No one really has anything outside of fucking fat creatures, and boardstates rapidly become nuclear arsenals. One guy has Lazav, which is actually fun to play against, but that's an exception. I'm the guy who has to pack wipes and removal, because I'm the guy most vulnerable through either going tall or doing other shit like artifacts and spellslinging.

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>>49676415
I always wanted a 1WR 2/2 commander with "Whenever a creature you don't control blocks, draw a card." It would be like a reverse Edric.

Also, cuts/suggestions for my Sharuum?

>>49676502
Legacy D&T lists curve at 3 now.

Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Sanctum Prelate
Recruiter of the Guard
Banisher Priest
Flickerwisp
Mirran Crusader

You'd just vial it in.

>>49676567
>>49676502
Oh and every one of those dies to bolt.

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>>49676460
>WR
>ramping lands
I play WR a lot and i know that does not fit at all in WR color wise.

>>49676560
Oops forgot my link
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/whos-that-hegemon/

>>49676579
>>49676567

No I get that I'm just saying it doesn't line up well with its abilities, it's abilities are what you want on turn 1, not turn 3, or turn 4 with vial, I highly doubt it would be played in legacy

Might still be busted in edh tho

>>49676058
2GG - Jambavan, Lord of Bears
Legendary Creature - Bear
Bears you control get +2/+2
Whenever another Bear enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card
3G: Bears you control gain trample until the end of the turn.
4/4

>>49676581
White does actually have a "catch up on opponents land" mechanic.

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>>49676581
It can happen if it is conditional.

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>out of the EDH game for a while
>Come back, see the new Kaladesh set

Fuck... no I don't want to construct another gimmicky deck with Motorcycles being the theme, I don't want to put my wallet through that again.

Finished Omnath about a year ago. It is a surprisingly consistent deck.

>>49676630
It should be "If an opponent controls more lands than you, you may play an additional land each turn."

>>49676609
Nah, it would definitely see legacy play. Games aren't over on turn 3, sure they might have enough mana at that point to save their fetches, but you still have wastelands and probably even ghost quarters (with this guy in the deck) ready to unload and draw you cards the moment he hits the table, and drawing additional fuel as a result.

Imagine playing two wastelands in one turn, destroying two lands and then drawing two cards. Crushing.

>>49676695

>playing two wastelands in one turn

??

>>49676695
not necessarily. In my playgroup we have that one guy who ramps incessently. Knight of the White orchid, saffi and flicker effects push their shit in. He is more of a combo piece than a bear.

>>49676708
Read the card he posted, if your opponent played a land you get two play two in your turn.

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Oh shit, Emrakul's Hatcher goes infinite with Eldrazi Displacer.

>>49676695
Would a 2WR 2/2 be more reasonable?


>If an opponent controls more lands than you, you may play an additional land each turn.

>Whenever an artifact an opponent controls enters their graveyard, you may draw a card

Seems like a good fix

>>49676725

My bad I thought those were two different custom cards

Yeah never mind that's stupidly broken

>>49676620
>>49676630
It does but the guy posted an ability that practically guarantees land ramp. White doesn't guarantees land ramp, that's the job of green. Red can't land ramp for shit. So WR having an ability like that is ridiculous. I do agree that it should be more of a conditional ramp, like what this guy posted>>49676695

>>49676739
At 4 mana, I honestly think the nonland draw thing can come back too, also P/T isn't as important in EDH so might as well make it a 3/3.

Then it will still be heavily pushed and not be straight up legacy bait

>>49676755
nonbasic land*

>>49676755
WotC doesn't care about heavily pushed cards in EDH. They can only profit from it. Look at how popular Mizzix and Meren are.

>>49676804
They do not care about it being pushed in commander (See Derevi), but they DO care about it being pushed in legacy.

>>49676058
How about we tackle the WR card advantage problem like this:
>If you would draw a card, you may instead exile the top two cards of your library. If you do, until end of turn, you may play those cards.
>Whenever you play a card from exile, you may gain 1 life.

>>49677217
Exile draw is shit in EDH. Exiling your answers is horrible.

>>49677217
How about no. Don't give them that kind of card advantage. Have something that plays to the strengths of RW like something that rewards you for destroying lands

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>>49676494
Yeah, no shit.

>>49673701
You realize it's just a meme now, right? It's not even the same person posting it anymore.

>>49674648
>Sundial of the Infinite
>keep the tokens

>>49675652
You can blank a card if you have some garbage foils laying around. You can peel off the art leaving a smooth blank surface while leaving the card itself intact. You might mess up your first time but it's not hard to get consistent at, that's how I practiced my altered cards. You can also order blanks on ebay. I'll post my alters in a minute.

>>49676164
There are a lot more people like this than I would have originally thought. One I ventured out of my original playgroup and started playing randim people and people online, I ran into that personality frequently. It still blows my mind. They have this mentality where anything anyone does against them is picking on them, but anything they do is just fine and advancing the game. It's retarded. When someone pitches a fit because they get hit by a 2/2 on turn 3, I know I'm in for an aggrevating game.

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What is the best way to say "during your endstep, before cleanup, I flash Jin-gitaxias, core augur" ?

I was thinking of " 'fore your cleanup, I'ma flash in a jingo",

but it doesn't sound stupid enough. Please help me come up something better. I'm running him as the head of my old colorless eldrazi deck, (I had to severely change the land base, now it has islands and is a ""blue"" deck, although jingo is the only colored spell so far) because I found myself running out of fuel, even with kozileks. Any help is appreciated!

>>49677246
What? Exile draw is amazing in EDH for decks that don't have access to U/G/B.

>>49675860
This isn't true look at there proxy policy updates from the last year or so, they're against proxies in WOTC sanctioned events and when sold as actual WOTC products. that is all.

Halfway to building a bosh deck, I had an idea for a marchesa artifact deck. Would it be fun to play? Or should I continue with bosh?

>>49677903
AYOOOO HOL UP

>>49677903
"during your endstep imma flish-flash in the jin-jan augur man"

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If you had to choose, would you use a normal Wrath of God, or a more gimmiky but expensive wrath like Route or Phyrexian Rebirth or something?

>>49678034
Hallowed Burial or Austere Command

>>49677903
"hol'up im flashin' Jin, (the Chin) Gitaxias

>>49678034
Really depends what type of deck you're running/running against. There are so many niche wipes that I figure that the mana cost doesn't actually matter as much in the format in general.

>>49678034

If you're gonna wipe the board, you might as well make it clean as fuck.

Decree of Annihilation.

>>49677904
I prefer to have the option to hold on to my utility cards and Wraths for when I needed them instead of losing them forever if I exile them at inopportune times. Exling a Chaos Warp, Swords to Plowshares, or Warping Wail is pretty bad.

Sure Exiling a land off the top is great, but you need to either have the Top or Scroll Rack to make it consistent.

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>>49676058
>Reya, the Redeemer
>2WR
>2/4 flying angel
>tap and pay 2RW, return target permanent from a graveyard to the battlefield under your control

White does reanimator, and as of Feldon and Daretti, so does red. Gimme. Also, red does steal. Give me graveyard steal.

>>49675323
Is there a reason you are running all vanilla creatures?

>>49678086
Decree fails to hit indestructible creatures. Hallowed Burial, Merciless Eviction, or Descend Upon the Sinful are how you make it "clean as fuck."

>>49673246
>commander with power 3 or less that can grow yuge
Lazav. Hexproof certainly is a start, and sometimes I happen to kill/discard/mill/grinning totem an opponent's Ulamog or something and then shit gets real nasty.

>>49678248
Decree exile, it only fails to hit planeswalkers and enchantments.

I usually prefer wraths that have some flexibility, Austere Command and Merciless Eviction being the big ones.

>>49676058
legendary crab, scorpion or non-humanoid insect
i'm ok with literally any iteration of any of these

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Working on Savra and Karrthus right now, with a shitty Pharika, Olivia Voldaren, Verdeloth the Ancient, Mogis, and Varolz on the backburner.

just got to win with palinchron + panharmonicon lol

elegant as fuck

>>49678107
Exiling something you'd want later can suck, but the way I see it, it's not much different than the card being stuck at the bottom of your deck and just not seeing it.

Of the cards you mentioned, I would still usually just cast them that turn and move on. I believe the card advantage it generates in a color that needs it far outweighs the possibility of exiling a card that you might have wanted later. I use them (Outpost seige, Chandra Pyromaster, Prophetic Flamespeaker, and recently Chandra Torch of Defiance) in my decks and they are better for it. I have not been disapointed in them at all.

>>49678034
what deck only plays one wrath? my usual package is wrath, doj and rout. sometimes marshal coup and sometimes cataclysmic gearhulk

>>49678346

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g

>>49678350
It doesn't only play one. I just felt like it needed another and wanted some outside oponions on what's best.

>>49678400

well the thing is, you cant really decide whether wrath of god or a value added wrath is better unless you know what other wraths somebody is running

if they are already running toxic deluge, day of judgment, and blasphemous act, then maybe they have the mana efficient wraths covered and that final slot could go to a rout or some other expensive wrath with value added, but if they are running multiple expensive wraths, then the last slot should go to wrath of god

>>49678425
I was looking for more of an in general look at white wrath opinions, which have actually been pretty informative so far.

But I currently play Austere Command, Hallowed Burial, and Martial Coup.

>>49678454

id say that in general, cheap (3-4 mana) wraths are vital because a controllish white deck needs to have a solid chance of drawing a wrath that can wipe the board after a green or red deck races out ahead with a milloin creatures or tokens early on otherwise they'll fall too far behind

stuff like martial coup or decree of pain is great late game though so its nice to have 1 or 2 of that kind of wrath in your deck

>>49673453
>>49673432
maybe you would be interested in this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kaseto-phyrexian-archmage/

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>>49673246
this little fucker is great

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This card is sneakily amazing

Feels so good to snipe something with an activated ability that they were hoping to sit on and react with

>>49678696
>Has more than one creature in the deck
>Runs spells with CMC over 4
No. I mean, the decklist itself is fine but my deck is geared towards 1v1 and rushing out a win as fast as possible, while yours is more built around multi-player. My own Kaseto deck used to have creatures in it but they ended up being cut once I found I really wanted/needed the mana to either pump up the Snek or cast ramp/equipment/answers. Plus, unless they had haste, they either were to slow for my liking or didn't do enough. But hey, different strokes for different folks.

>>49673648
I play 33 lands (that produce mana) in Mono-G Combo and it's just the perfect amount. I have about 20 spells that ramp or produce mana in any way, feels extremely quick and agile.

>>49679141
I play 33 lands in naya and do fine too. If you play part green you should be able to play much less land if you invest in ramp. People are just afraid of of being mana screwed.

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>that guy who builds lifegain and does nothing with it
>not even fetches

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I'm making a deck with cards laying around the the tg-club, should I make Sedris or Jevala( with Sedris in the 99)?

>>49679421
Sedris. He's a cool guy

>>49679421
Looking at both of them they are practically identical in how they would run. I would go with Jeleva just because shes cheaper to cast.

>>49679464
What happens if you flicker Jeleva?

>>49679618
Nothing, you just can't cast the cards that were previously exiled with her

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>>49676058

When do you think we'll start getting C16 leaks?

>>49680051
Later half of this month or at the very beginning of next month

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>>49676058

Toral, Persistent Tyrant

Mana cost: 2WR
Type: Legendary Creature — Goblin Lord

Effect of card: Whenever another creature with power 1 or less enters the battlefield, you may pay 2. If you do, that creature's controller draws a card and deal 2 damage to that creature.

Power/Toughness: 2/3

"He forged a kingdom amongst anarchy by waging a war of attrition against fate itself."

>>49679939
I hate the antisynergy with Muraganda Petroglyphs. Couldn't this be worded like: Creatures you control with no abilities have +x/+x.
Creatures you control with no abilities can assign their combat damage as though they weren't blocked.

>>49678719
>this little fuckboi and omnath of anger

>>49678207
has to be creature or atrifact, not permanent

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>>49674648

>>49679939
>No haste
Card is essentially unplayable. Can't even run anger/fires/fervor/hammer or other haste cards in the same deck.

>>49679464
In what world are Sedris and Jelava identical? That's like saying Maelstrom Wanderer and Animar are identical.

>>49677980
>>49677983
>>49678055

I really appreciate it

>>49680393
In how they would run, not in ability.

>>49680393
He's just idiot. Both are combo-oriented, but Sedris is creature-based and Jeleva is spellslinger, god tier in Storm or in Doomsday.
Only similar things are colours really. Sedris enables a shitload of jank, though.

>>49677980
>>49677983
>>49678055

So far I have

"AYOOOO HOL UP, during your endstep imma flish-flash in the jin-jan augur man, aka, jingo.
You feel me? Imma flashin' Jin, (the Chin) Gitaxias , Flashin in a jingo."

>>49680751
I think that's too long

>>49680751
somthing along the lines of Chinchin appearing Filty frank videos "o Jin-Jin diasuki nandayo"

>>49680751
Honestly just shout AYOO HOL UP, tap everything and throw him onto the board.

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>>49680764
AYOO, HOL UP I'M FLASHIN JIN-JAN THE CHIN JINGO, YOU FEEL ME?
>>49680776
Can you explain either of these to me


Idk, maybe I'll like freestyle when I cast him

>>49680793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-UcPvjTzqE

>>49680793
Just say: "N-NANI?!?! H-HE'S FAST!"
And if someone tries to kill him say: "It's a hologram"

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What is a deck that you can really claim some originality for. Its not just a "Put the best ____ from EDHREC for your general" or the standard strategy but more something that you yourself thought up its concept and crafted it into what it is and are now proud of, even if its not exactly what you would call the most optimum build for your commander.

Just curious as it often seems that most players follow the same strategy with certain commanders, the only differences being a few cards here and there that are personal choices.

My only real example is my Thassa deck which is a voltron deck about enchantments to make her a creature and then artifact equipping her and swinging with an unblock able and indestructable god that, even when removed is pretty cheap to re cast. Her threat level is low so I'm usually not a threat until the I start sending her in and her scry ability is pretty useful, especially with divining top.

I've rarely heard of her being used this way so it feels really unique. Its not super fast or combo based but I like the build and enjoy spending the first few turns disrupting the rest of the board.

What about you guys?

>>49680806
>>49680791

I'll try my best.

>>49680846
I absolutely will

>>49680806
>be in the united states of america
>walking around with real looking fake guns

good thing they aren't 12 year old black kids otherwise they'd be dead.

>>49677903
"FROM THE TOP ROPES! --- "

>>49680852
My kami stasis honestly

>>49676266
Alesha Valuegarbage was the best decision i ever made
>tfw your friends accidentally let you get Liliana DN emblem
>buried alive for karmic guide, corpse connoisseur, ashen rider
>have a sac outlet hot and ready
oops

>>49681257
What's your creature count? I want to pack in more, but I worry about not having enough sac outlets to fuel Alesha's reanimation

>>49680852
Glint-Eye Nephilim played as a combat trick/pump spell voltron.

I'm also really proud of my Ramirez pirate tribal. Even though it's pretty bad.

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Can she work as a voltron/cast shit for free no creatures deck? Also i was thinking of adding jace to put back in the library things that i want to cast for free and i accidentally draw, what other planeswalker synergises well with her?

>>49680852
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karametra-sitter-of-faces/

I've put a lot of time and effort into this deck, and I really think I can claim a lot of originality.

>>49681136
Good morning, how's it going? Sorry I wasn't on last night, crazy shenanigans happened.

How's the Xira Jund deck coming along?

>>49680852
I was the first person to put spore frog in Meren, and here was the first place I ever told about it, now it's considered a staple. That Meren deck, before I turned it into Mazirek, was pretty unique, it relied on no reanimator outside of meren, and in general was closer to a mid-range stompy gruul deck than a traditional golgari thing. The whole strategy revolved around cantriping cheap creatures to prevent combat damage until I could card cast/reanimate Vorinclex, then I'd drop some fuck-huge timmy beaters and pound on people with all sorts of damage doubling effects. While mazirek is better, nothing warms my heart quite as much as playing Swarmborn giant or desecration demon, turning a fuckload of 1/1's into 7/7's with Overwhelming Stampede, then slapping Triump of the Horde on for massive overkill. Alternate wincon was caldron of souls + sac outlet + meren. You sacrifice your spore frog while caldron is up, reanimate it with Meren, sacrifice it again to avoid another player's combat step, reanimate it with persist, then sacrifice it again for the 3rd player's combat step and suddenly your up to 3 experience counters in one turn with Meren.

Also, I currently run cantrip Uril auras, and I've never seen someone set a deck up like that before. Most Uril decks I play against are the same "basilisk's collar/armadillo cloak/quiteus spike/unflinching courage/gratiuitous violence" nonsense, and while I have some of that included, the general strategy is to ramp first, drop uril second, slap 4+ auras on it in one turn that cantrip, then play something cute like Irresistible Prey to completely fuck someone over very quickly. In general, this deck is lack luster in multiplayer, but holy fuck does it hit hard 1v1. I appreciate the anons that recommended me hexproof creatures, I found Pincher Beetle in my stash.

>>49681445
Well, I guess the reanimator thing with sporefrog wasn`t a wincon, but it might as well have been. People literally can`t hit you with combat damage. I had a Zurgo player ragequit when I pulled that shit on him 1v1.

>>49681445
Spore Frog seems like pretty obvious tech though. I've been playing midrange Meren for a long time anyway. Meren was the only reanimation in the deck.

>>49681445
Oh no worries, haven't really got to it to be honest! If you find time today, message me! I've got class for the next few hours, but apart from that I'm free. Hopefully you find time

>>49681445
You're delusional if you think any of that is remotely original.

>>49681513
Post another cantrip Uril aura deck, I'd love to take a look at it because I haven't seen one.

>>49681483
Sporefrog is pretty obvious, but last christmas it sure as shit wasn't. I remember taking that deck to my flgs, and the store owner with his spicy $3k animar deck almost lost to my bullshit budget shenanigans. After that, I posted about it here, and it just took off.

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>>49680852
I built a fun Doran deck where the "secret general" was Evershrike. I've always thought Evershrike should have been legendary, so I built a deck to try and use it. It basically revolved around getting out and enchanting Evershrike as quickly as possible, with ways to get it back if it got exiled.

>>49681483
I've had quite some trouble on keeping meren on the field since everyone tries to exile her as soon as possible after seeing all the shenanigans i pulled with her so at the moment i instead run a lot of reanimation just in case. How do i consistently keep people from exiling her?

>>49681574
Depends on the type of decks your opponents are playing. Are you getting hit with a lot of white or a lot of blue removal? Maybe you're getting hit with both?

>>49681574
Hexproof and Shroud are about your only options. She will be seen as a threat pretty quickly because of what she is, so don't drop her until you have Lightning Greaves or something like it ready to cover her.

>>49676582
>>49676560

Do you prefer combo or killing with commander damage? For the first, you need Blood Artist and/or Disciple of the Vault. For the beatdown, Cranial Plating.
You need more tutors: Demonic Tutor, Fabricate, Reshape.
And sac outlets: Ashnod's Altar, Krark-Clan Ironworks.
And if you add those last two, it wouldn't hurt to put a Nim Deathmantle to combo with Wurmcoil Engine for infinite tokens.
Final note: I wouldn't play a white deck without Sun Titan. Is just too good.

Question:

>Panharmonicon on the battlefield
>Clone enters the battlefield under my control

Can the Clone become a copy of two creatures on the battlefield?

If yes, will one effect 'overwrite' the other?

Or will the Clone simultaneously be a copy of those two chosen creatures?

>>49681436
This is my deck don't post that without my permission fuck you

>>49681693
When Clone enters, it's already another chosen creature. It clones as it enters, not after.
If it copies a creature with a ETB, like Mulldrifter, that ability will trigger twice.

Panharmonicon is sooooooo broken. I love it.

>>49681574
Ignore those posters suggesting hexproof stuff, that's the lame way to do it.

You keep Meren on the field by making sure other things are a bigger threat. Sure, boardwipes and whatnot suck, but in general, if you build a deck that wins without Meren, people aren't going to be using their exile removal on Meren.

But, if all else fails and you desperate want your deck to revolve around her like every other timmy around, I recommend Alpha Authority and Asceticism, plus a healthy ramp suite to offset the mana cost from her being exiled. Really, the problem has more to do with when you're playing her, than what you're suiting her up with. In general, drop her t3/4 with a proper set up, otherwise, play her late game after you know your opponent has used their paths/sword/turn to frog or whatever.

>>49681776
You don't have to have it revolve around her to want her to hit the field and stick. Even if your deck wins without her, it only gets better if she's there. She's a four mana value engine. If you just think of her as that and not a wincon, she's still really good. People will almost always see her as a threat though because she enables lots of tricky plays that, while not necessary, can give you easy control of the board.

>>49681693

Clone isn't an ETB effect, it's a replacement effect, it already is the creature you chose to copy AS it enters.

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>>49681331
24

>>49680852
I'm literally building and brewing my Jori En deck that is really just an expanded Talrand deck with red included for more spell-token cards and a few win conditions besides combat, like Purphoros, Impact tremors, Guttersnipe and Thermo Alchemist. Also Mizzix Mastery can win me the game right there.

I could use Mizzix herself but I like Jori because she is very under the radar and allows me to ramp out and dig early with artifacts and cantrips while also eating my hand away.

So far its really fun as there are a large number of ways to tutor, cycle, dig, or combo off. I'm really enjoying it right now and am grabbing the pieces of it starting tonight at FNM.

I've never seen a Jori deck period, let alone one that is focusing on the strategy I am so I'm really enjoying it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-10-16-jori-en-ruin-diver/?cat=custom&sort=

>>49681629
Yeah i thought about that but that's a bit too unreliable and i don't think i'll have the chance to use a tutor on stuff like that when other things need it much more.
>>49681776
Maybe it's this, maybe i drop her too early when there isn't much on the field, i'll try putting the greaves anyway but i think i'll be more cautious when i play her next time.

>>49680313
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of haste. That definitely should have been on there.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gisela-sitter-of-faces/

Hey guys can u look at my deck I worked very hard on this. Probably best Gisela deck list

>>49681885
Well put anon, that's exactly what I meant.

In my meren deck, I can't say she was ever a major removal target. You're right, she's a massive value enabler, and is almost always a bonus while she's on the field, but G/B goodstuff is pretty strong in general, particularly with the cheap tutors you have access to.

I tend to build Meren the opposite way that I built brago. What I mean is, Brago revolves entirely around brago connecting to win. Everything in my Brago deck supports making sure that he can connect, and when he connects the game is over. Meren, on the other hand, gives value over time, and she'll rarely win the game on her own, but if she's allowed to sit on the field unimpeded, she'll let you set up a lot of nasty things. As a result, I usually only cast her when I have free mana back with no immediate play, and I usually script a few underwhelming plays once she hits the field so I can build counters without drawing immediate hate. While the traditional fleshbag marauder, merciless executioner reanimator edict thing works well, I try not to lock down the board through her reanimator, but instead use her to bring back Kozilek's Predator or the like and hardcast my threats.

I know it's kind of a meta-way to get around things, but this way usually there is a disconnect between Meren and winning the game. Instead of people being mad that I reanimated something stupid with Meren, they're mad that I hard casted Nulamog, or because Desecration Demon got infect and my edicts caused them to run out of creatures.

Like I said earlier, Mazirek is more fun, but Meren can be neat too.

Does anyone know where I can buy the original skullbriar edh deck? I can't seem to find it anywhere for sale.

>>49680098
How about adding in
>when you play Toral you become the Monarch
or maybe paying mana or sarificing/exiling something to become the monarch

>>49682161
It's the Mimeoplasm deck from the first Commander release

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>>49680852
This Oros deck I recently made, with the theme being any cards that have to deal with revenge, vengeance, avenging something or being wrathful. I'm still editing it, since I'm considering putting in Repentant Vampire and Crusade.

>>49682237
>Devour For Power 2011 EDH deck averaging at $100 for the deck

Is it worth it?

My two favorite colors are Black/Green and I already have the newer pre-built Golgari one from last year.

>>49682772
No, I don't think so.

If you're really lacking on cards, maybe, but in general it's better to just buy singles and build what you want.

Why not just build Mazirek from that precon? I have a deck with him and he's surprisingly underrated.

>>49682772
Better than Heavenly Inferno for $200

Just get singles

am I the only one that hopes that Kaalia of the Vast gets a reprint? it is one of those Commanders that I know draws a ton of hate. but I would play the hell out of her because I like gimmicky bullshit

>>49683093
Ehh, she is kind of obnoxious to play with or against. Either your deck is DOA because people kill or counter her the second she hits play or you rush her out and kill someone with master of cruelties turn 3. Boring as fuck for everyone involved.

I would much rather have new stuff with more p3k reprints (Imperial recruiter when?)

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>>49676058

Made this awhile back. Figured I'd post it since people are posting about RW.

>>49683177

I like it.

>>49683177
>6 mana
Yup, reasonably costed.
>whenever ~ or another creature etb under your control
Pretty broken. You drop a myr battlesphere the turn after and it's basically good night. I like the last ability. Maybe make him 4cmc and have that last ability? I also like that he's in bolt rane.

>>49683177
I think he would be perfect as a 4 mana cost, but only when a creature power 2 or less enters the battlefield.
Drop Damage to 2
And make him a 3/3 creature

I would play it desu

>>49683249
Wut. Not the guy making the card but I think you misread it, it does damage to creatures only.

>>49680393

mw and Animar seem a lot closer than sedris and jeleva to me

>>49683177
>this, boros reckoner, and assemble the legion on the field
>put a counter on the reckoner for the first token ETB
>from then on its your choice of free bolts every turn, or multiple in a turn depending on how many counters you put on it.

>>49681745
>>49681885

The same applies for Iona's ability right?

>>49676058
This is basically all I do with my free time, I remember seeing a thing about Wizards hiring a while back but their requirements are a little crazy for making a card game

My thoughts on what needs to be printed:
WBG needs to expand- they have a lot of good generals but Anafenza's the only one good for metas that aren't super competitive/casual

UG needs a Manifest/Morph-centric commander

RW needs a card-advantage commander or at the very least one that isn't based solely around combat phases- preferably a high-power commander

UR needs an artificer, said artificer should avoid any "spell-slinging" abilities, actually care about artifacts and possibly other artificers, I personally wouldn't mind it making thopters but that's just me

Not just WBG, but all wedges need more commanders to play with- WBR needs a Warrior-centric commander especially

Four-color commanders will almost certainly need a revisit- a pool of two or three for each combination is for the best, and ones that cast directly for all four colors nephilim style should coexist with the ones we're likely to get, which have color identities larger than their casting cost

>>49681885

Sorry, that was meant for >>49681904

>>49680098
>>49683177

>Both have nice abilities that compliment red
>Both are very characterful
>Old Goblin king creating a kingdom of goblin kind through using his goblins as expendable fodder to fuel his momentum
>Awesome Boros minotaur soldier that expresses the tactical flexibility of the Boros legion


Both of these are awesome and flavorful for Boros, it only goes to show how badly they dropped the ball on the Commander precon for Boros...

I would love to do either of these if they actually existed.

>>49683623

Iona doesn't have an etb yes, it's similar to a clone in timing, when you decide what creature the clone is a copy of, that's the same time as when you decide what color you're naming with Iona

After it resolves but before it etb's

>>49683629
>UR needs an artificer, said artificer should avoid any "spell-slinging" abilities, actually care about artifacts and possibly other artificers, I personally wouldn't mind it making thopters but that's just me

What would that actually look like though? The best artifacts-matter commander mechanically cover most of the themes Artifacts really have. Add to that the fact that Izzet cards are usually VERY focused on spell slinging exclusively.

Maybe something with Energy counters? The only problem is generating the energy, so I would think he would need some way to create energy himself.

>>49683741

I give this post 2/10

Ugh

>>49683750
>Ugh

For what? Asking what ideas you had about something that is "basically all you do in your free time"? What a moron...

>>49683665

Minotaur guy here, thanks. RW has options outside of swinging for the fences, they're just generally wacky. A commander with tuck on a stick would also be great, even if it only did it when entering or leaving the battlefield.

When X enters the battlefield, return target nonland permanent to the top of its owner'a library.

When X leaves the battlefield, shuffle target permanent into its owner's library. (Or put it on the bottom if appropriate).

Make it a middle cost guy (3RW) and make it a 2/4 or something so it's not super easy to kill to prevent abuse.

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>>49680852

I made 3 iterations of this bladewing deck before ever typing the card in google.

Went from terrible dragon aggro to a weird dragon combo reanimator.

Does anyone need help with their R/W decks? I put one together that is really good, so I'll give you some pointers if you want.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karametra-sitter-of-faces/

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>>49683177
Way too OP.
>6 drop for a 4/3 vigilance trample
>that also gets a lightning bolt, +1/+1 counter, or 1 cost draw (and in WR, no less)
>just for a creature ETB for you
You could run goblin/soldier tokens and just bolt everything to death.
Even Purphoros, which is my best deck, is still only two damage to a player.

>>49683867
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bladewing-the-risen-with-fire-and-blood/

>>49681445
the first person who thought to put spore frog in a reanimator deck?

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>>49683840

Not sure what you're talking about in this post, I gave the previous one 2/10 because of the lack of creativity.

>>49683741
Honestly, UR artificer is a tough nut to crack.
I'd love to see one that uses energy and also self-produces energy, honestly; though I do think the idea that Izzet is spell-slinging as a rule is a bit restrictive.

If it absolutely has to sling spells, let it make thopters whenever something gets cast, ala Storm or Aetherflux Reservoir's lifegain. If it's energy, let it make energy- either off of artifact count, artifact CMC, or maybe spells all over again.

>>49683910
He also came up with the idea of using cantrips.

>>49683937

I think the guy is actually pretty creative because he put Kiki jiki and great oak guardian in his Uril deck

I wouldn't recommend it but it's definitely very original

>>49683741
>>49683925

How about something like

Abilities:
Whenever you tap an artifact for a non mana ability gain E

When paying for an X spell pay 2E to make one colorless mana.

So the idea is that you play artifacts with abilities, tap to use those abilities, generating energy, then can spend those abilities on huge (x) spells for giant fireballs or meteor storms or draw spells?

Just an idea, the big thing would be making sure that mana rocks didn't contribute or else it would get crazy fast.

>
If it absolutely has to sling spells, let it make thopters whenever something gets cast, ala Storm or Aetherflux Reservoir's lifegain.
Only problem there is that then you just have Talrand in RU.

>>49683979
You forgot twinflame and dual caster mage.

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>>49680282
>has to be

>>49683888
He only hits creatures with the 3 damage

>>49684129
Yea, and then all the goblins and soldiers and your commander get through.

>>49683177
You forgot the kitchen sink. Very magical funhappytimes, which is how I know it's fanmade. Also not sure how a minotaur soldier is bolting people and drawing cards.

I'd be quite happy with even just having a legendary WR Mentor of the Meek.

>>49674000
it's a karametra deck lol, it's not even the same user. check the deck owner you dingus

>>49684147
It's 6 mana in colors without ramp to even play the guy, then more to cast other creatures since he doesn't do anything to alter your board. If you are seriously worried about just guys being able to swing in unblocked with goblins (which isn't even likely to happen) I should remind you that Aurelia exists.

The strong part of the card is the draw 1, which already exists on stuff like mentor of the meek, stop being retarded.

>>49680282
Or enchantment.

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>>49683177
Custom commander time?

Custom commander time.

>>49684044
this could almost work, the only problem is that playing huge bomb spells is Mizzix's domain and she is probably the best commander in the game for that kind of gimmick.

I still like the harnessing of energy counters through tap abilities on artifacts. Play myr tokens, tap them down for vehicles and you have some cool synergy for a kaladesh themed commander. I would love to see this expanded upon.

>>49684479
Mentor of the Meek trigger, rather than token trigger, would more fit his flavour.

>>49684512
Except if the flavor is having an army of nameless soldiers at your commands

Like tokens

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>>49684479
>knight

>>49684574
It's for my custom set

RW Knights is one of the tribe

>>49684549
Knights and soldiers, not angels and Kazuul ogres, though. Small nontoken soldiers are just as "nameless".

>>49684621
To be perfectly honest with you, this is a leader for my custom set, which don't have angels nor ogres, and almost all tokens are small.

Honestly idk why people keep doing the mentor of the meek ability. personally i've always found it underwhelming. I'd probably rather discard a card then draw a card. Not a card advantage but still card flow. I'd even prefer impulse draw somehow if we can't just get an outright wheel. Needing to hold up extra mana to get the draw has just never been great for me.