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>>49552731
No, but they did go to the Plane of Shadow to purify a school.

>>49552731
Not Pathfinder, but I was in a MAID game last week where our master is basically not!Odin and we are not!Valkyrie-maids. He sent us to tidy up the Elemental Plane of Dust and to slaughter an army of dust bunnies that were breeding so quickly they were threatening the human world.

Is an average of 21 damage vs AC 22 at 8th level decent for a monk? Unarmed, no magic items included, power attack already taken into account.

>>49552860
21 damage per round? At level 8? No that's garbage and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

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Anyone here play the Giantslayer AP?
Any good?

>>49553006

I'm going to tell you what I tell everyone else.

It's okay.

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So for an Ecclesitheurge/Monk multiclass, how far should I dip in monk? Was thinking around 2 since the loss in CL can be patched with Magical Knack, but would any of those bonus feats besides Dodge benefit me much? Then again Evasion's pretty handy.

I want my primary domain to be Fire, but I'm pretty uncertain about what secondary to take. It doesn't matter all that much spell-wise since I can swap those whenever, so I'm thinking more about the abilities in this case. Maybe Feather for a Roc companion...

Any feat suggestions are also appreciated (figuring out whether to be more fist-focused or metamagic/whatever with spells so I'm open to whatever), no 3pp by the way.

>>49552731
My group started a campaign where the plan was to be planeswalkers using some kind of DeLorean-like plane travel device (expends a rare resource upon usage) Only played one session though before we separated for the school semester.

Also, I bought the Emerald Spire book and was reading through it- can anyone who's finished tell me if I would be alright just throwing out all the Fort Inevitable stuff?

>>49553029
I forgot to mention, unless there's a good archetype that'd mesh well, should I go regular or Unchained Monk? Saves aren't as good but the BAB's better.

>>49552968
>Str 20
>1d10 unarmed monk damage
>Power attack +6/-3
>Trait +1
>Total damage: 1d10+6+5+1
>+13 to hit
>FoB 10/10/5 when power attacking
>Elbow smash adds a possibility of one extra attack
How do I improve, anon?

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Malefex Check-In (Playtest Document Here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing

My apologies for my absence here folks. I'm still going to get to the latest set of feedback Soon(tm) - real life has been busy - but we're still looking for critique on the new malefactions, the two new knocks, the new archetype, and anything else that catches your eye.

Upcoming:

- Considering changing Bad Penny's second selection to upgrade to pennies equal to your Wis modifier + the original 1.
- Curling up in a corner to cry and pray for death I MEAN WRITING FAVORED CLASS BONUSES
- An anti-fey/demon themed archetype

Thank you for your patience.

>>49553064
You could dip for 2 level of sensei to get WIS to attack and inspire courage.

>>49553079
Dragon Style and Dragon Ferocity.

>>49553079
Why are you not using Flurry of Blows to make a 3rd attack? Why are you not spending a point of Ki to make a 4th attack? If you took Elbow Smash instead of Flying Kick I'd have to ask you why you did that, but at the least why are you not using your Elbow Smash to get a 5th attack?

>>49553079
Things to consider:

>Magic items (Amulet of Mighty Fists, Monk's Robe, Belt of Giant Strength, etc.)
>Dragon Style+Ferocity
>Spending 1 ki to gain an additional attack on a flurry

>>49553079
Linnorm Style for Wis to damage?

>>49553163
>Why are you not using Flurry of Blows to make a 3rd attack?
I'm, see 10/10/5 with PA (-3), three attacks.
>Why are you not spending a point of Ki to make a 4th attack?
Didn't count the possible extra attack from spending ki because I only have 7 ki points, that's 7 extra attacks a day, that's not very reliable to take it into account.
>why are you not using your Elbow Smash to get a 5th attack?
I'm, already taken into account in the 21 damage per turn vs AC 22.

So, three year campaign may be coming to a head soon.

The setting has gotten far out of hand, but has taken the players from levels 5 to 16 and through a great deal of adventures. They managed to redeem the Kobold race, two of the PCs got enough mythic ranks to become gods, they saved the nation (against their will), and more.

The players are in what is called Goblin Town (Actually named Turgut's Seat), a literal city of the gods. It's leaders are six goblinoid deities, who forced their way to the top in stark defiance. They actually have one of each alignment for the entire left side of the chart (no chaotic ones), and all have the cooperation domain.

Essentially throughout the campaign what has been happening is these goblinoids have been gathering strength and deities to their side. These include the two PCs, a friend of theirs, the Drow pantheon, the Archfey (or at least part of it), another fey lord, several legions of devils, and other mortals turned deities. This has amounted to 46 total deities in the city.

The group consisting of Drow/Goblinoids/Fey/Kobolds/Illithids/Devils/Duegar/Troglodytes/Orcs/Giants are referred to as the Free People.

The plan is for the final confrontation is going to be seizing the means of deification, which is held by CG deities.

Honestly at this point I just don't know any more. I just can't wait for shouts of "Hark, the Elder Brain has arrived, we're saved." and a Lord of the Rings moment where instead of elves showing up it's Devils. Plus increasingly more confused CG gods about the shouts of "The Free People will not be silenced by their tyranny".

So is LE rag tag civilization invading CG outer plane a good way to end a campaign?

>>49553151
I just might, though if I'm losing flurry of blows I'm not sure what I should use instead. The DM had me roll for stats, and while there's a few alright ones (17,16,12,12), I've got a pair of poor rolls too (7,9). I need to figure out the exact way I'm spreading those.

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Alrighty, let's get this show on the road.

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>>49553251
First off the Table of Contents. Anything people want to see from this book in particular?

>>49553278
Do they have the elemental lords statted?

>>49553186
Didn't consider magic items yet because GM is going to roll my wpl and see what I get, and then I'll sell what is useless and I dunno how much money I'm going to get at the end.

>>49553213
>Linnorm style
Do you have a link on that feat? I know Dragon Style but I can't find Linnorm style in d20pfsrd

As for Styles I also have to be careful with them, I was thinking on Snake or Panther already

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>>49553290
They have a single Elemental Lord statted: Ymeri, The Queen of the Inferno.

>>49553278
Are all the spells in one place? Only really interested in those.

>>49553278
How long is the Bestiary for this book? I'd love to see some new monsters to throw at my party.

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>>49553306
I can do one better. It's from Legacy of Dragons.

>>49553278
Are there any archetypes?

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>>49553278
... we may as well start with what they've done to kineticists this time.

will it be too obvious to even be a proper trap like overwhleming soul?

will it almost be okay?

will I end my sentences with question marks?

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>>49553318
There's actually not much in the way of spells, just Janni's Jaunt there.

>>49553309
Only one?
No Cagnazzo or Scarmiglione?

booooring

>>49553278
I like water.

>>49553326
>Add Wis instead of Str
Sorry, but I prefer my Str 20 rather than my Wis 16. Thanks anyway, maybe for another char.

>>49553309
...
What the fuck is that.

No seriously, the everloving fuck is that? That's the kind of [whatever]taur you'd see on Furaffinity.

Big boss queen of fire elementals and she's NOT EVEN A FUCKING ELEMENTAL.

>>49553278
GIVE ME THE ROGUE STUFF

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>>49553322
It's got 8 monsters, not including Ymeri and the Element-Infested Creature template. I'll post those in a second.

>>49553351
I already posted some of the archetype and class stuff here >>49553367 but this is the rest of it. Got some domains, an unsurprisingly bad Kineticist archetype (which at least makes single-element better by a bit) and new stuff for Rogues and Barbarians.

Also
>When raging, the barbarian emanates a 5-foot aura of radioactivity.

>>49553367
>Planar travel is now possible at level 7 instead of 9

Neat

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>>49553322
Alright, fist up we have monsters.

I took improved familiar, for a lyrakien azata. Which I'm quite pleased with so far.

But the tiny bitch has 20 cha, which gets me to thinking. Aside from the penalty for being tiny sized, there's really no reason she couldn't be intimidating the crap out of something each turn I can't find something more important for her to do.

A maiden's helm for +5 to intimidate is quite affordable, as is a circlet of persuasion.

What else can I do to make my enemies HEY LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!?

The new kineticist archetype is trash, it's already in the guide (I have a subscriber who shares with me kineticist content when it hits so I can include it in the guide), and it's an unfocused hodgepodge of features that doesn't feel like they belong to the same archetype.

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>>49553427
>fist up
I mean, I guess that's appropriate for monsters. In different senses, depending on your feelings about naked smoke women.

>>49553326
That looks rather suicidal for minimum benefit.

>>49553440
You know what you need to do Jolly? You need to go out to Pazio's headquarters and smack each and every single employee there on the back of the head.

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>>49553443
Skipping Ymeri (for those of you with short memories, look here >>49553309) so on to the Element-Infested Creature.

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>>49553467
Hey look, giant enemy crab!

>>49553467
Oh hello crystal porcupines. Back from Dark Souls to torment me again?

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>>49553467
>Porcupine with crystals on its back
>mfw I just suffered through the DS2 DLC that had those motherfuckers in it
>mfw they're in PF now

FUCK YOU LITTLE SPINY PIECES OF SHIT YOU WERE WORSE THAN THE WHEEL SKELETONS

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>>49553479
QANON, EAT YOUR HEART OUT.

>>49553367
>No support for the Void Elemental School
Aww, that one is my favorite.

>>49553496
>Onkushu
>Angry-faced firebean with wings.

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>>49553496
I guess the green elemental ghosts are apparently chill? They look like they should be super evil, but no, chill apparently.

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>>49553526
>>49553496
And just to finish it off. Next up, Water!

Should I gestalt a Battle Host Occultist with a Bladebound/Hexcrafter Magus?

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>>49553383
Underthesea.jpg

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>>49553567
Normally Sahuagin kind of look derpy, but this guy looks pretty boss all things considered.

>>49553399

Didn't Ymeri usurp the lordship from the actual lord of the Fire elementals?

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>>49553580
Forest of Oils sounds like a neat place to visit.

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>>49553598
So Phantom's Ebb seems like a pretty cool place to explore.

>>49553326
>Hear through past threads about that feat
>Everybody mentions it as an additive to damage
>Doesn't add damage
It was a meme and I didn't know?

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>>49553619
And finally Vialesk, a big old city in the sea.

>>49553479
I kind of want one of those jellyfish as a familiar.

>>49553443

UNKINDLED ONE, NOT WORTHY OF BEING EVEN CINDER.

How would you all feel if you were in a game where the DM house ruled that all boss encounters had a built in itinerary surge effect. (Like the intent of that maneuver, not the end condition: sun effect)
Would the casters get upset?

>>49553496
>>49553519

The Onkushu is a real human being.

But is it a real gyro?

>>49553367
>By taking this archetype you get to take 1 burn that cannot be reduced in any way in order to use ONE (still paying for it fully) infusion you would normally have been allowed to use had you taken a different archetype and not been locked in this way. In exchange you're stuck with just that element instead of two, oh and also your buffer's worse.

>>49553548
>Earth gets a creepy radiation-ghost.
>Water gets a six-eyed, unhappy frog
>Fire gets a weird angry old man face with wings
>Air gets a cute waifu.

Why is air always the best element?

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>>49553592
Let's find out together

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>>49553676
So one thing about the plane of fire is that the women are all hot

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>>49553690
I mean, still hot. Just... don't look down.

>>49553592
Obviously because she's a big strong furry who don't need no man. or something.

Seriously tough what the fuck is that supposed to be.

Also

>Limitless Fire
>3/day

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>>49553709
Personally not that high up on the hot list, but still would bang.

>>49553675

Because earth is too grounded, water is a wet blanket, and fire is just way too hotheaded.

>>49553676
>>49553690

>The text implies aliens and future civilizations travel to the Plane of Fire for fuel

>>49553309
"she" is angry. angry about elves.

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>>49553721
>is that guy's house burning or is it supposed to be on fire?
>both

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>>49553690
>>49553709
>More fire ladies
>STILL JUST RED PEOPLE

GOD
DAMNIT.

GIVE ME FIRE WAIFUS. OR HUSBANDOS, FIRE HUSBANDOS WOULD BE FINE TOO.

>>49553479
Is it from japanese history?

Attack it's weak point for massive damage

>>49553709

>Ragathiel is Ferronia's only known son
>Her only known son is the child of a Devil

What did Paizo mean by this?

>>49553443
Ay, this here demon worm burrows at a rate of 10ft a second.

Let's draw it with a massive rack! Surely that will aid it in it's tunneling work.

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Well, since we're going backwards...

Actually, you know what this reminds me of? Did anyone else read the Death Gate Cycle books? This kind of looks like how I imagine the the necropolis on Abarrach looks.

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>>49553780
Swanky armor, that hair looks dumb.

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>>49553796
Citrinide is a gigantic-scale version of Survivor.

>>49553796

Yeah, well you look dumb.

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>>49553821
I have no idea what the fuck that thing is, nor do I want to know.

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>>49553835
And finally a big ol' city in the cave. It's kind of like Petra, but with people in it.

>>49553744

>Plane of Fire
>Everyone's named and themed after Arabs, and evil

Uhh, racist much?

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Now Air. Anyone have an idea as to what's even going on in this image?

>>49553880

Looks like Sky Pirates, anon.

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>>49553880
I guess that's the dragon Neghemelu that's listed there? Seems like a pretty cool guy.

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>>49553890
I mostly meant why the monk iconic is holding a hammer charged with electricity and is either falling off of or flying alongside an airship.

>>49553892
And again Air proving itself the best with a waifu who took levels in Swashbuckler

>>49553835
It's a Xorn. They are frequently summoned to work as excavators, minors, artisans, gem-cutters and prostitutes.

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>>49553907
Hey look, the Ice King.

>>49553892

>Metal spheres dot the landscape, possibly containing gods

Do you C'tan?

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>>49553916
Oh, that thing that makes the robe? That's more reasonab-
>prostitutes
u srs?

>>49553921
That's a pretty fucking cool palace, I'd live there.

>>49553629
>The Glass Pit
>Fire theme'd restaurant.
Nice

>>49553772
That... she... fucked a devil?

>>49553907

>That
>a waifu

She's an ugly stick with poofy clothes, that's hardly waifu material

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>>49553929
>Do you C'tan?
You think you're hot shit, don't you?

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And finally the intro section

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>>49553951
I feel like this is all reprinted info. Also the end of the book, since I posted the other pages in this section here.
>>49553415
>>49553367

>>49553933
>u srs?
No_

Alright, show's over folks. Chat about the books. Or kitsune. Or whatever.

>>49553939

Of all her consorts and lovers, the only one that gave her a son was from a race associated with misogyny?

>>49553567
Honestly plane of water looks pretty fucking cool. I'd like to run a game there sometime.

>>49553982
Obviously he didn't pull out because her slut shame would be visibly growing inside her for nine months, making clear to all the inferiority of her tiny female mind helplessly assaulted and raped by, uh...

whatever, fuck, I can't even understand the bullshit trains of thought those psycho bitches have.

Most likely she hadn't wanted a kid with other ones, or the timing wasn't right, or they just liked each-other that much, but those reasons would make sense so it's probably not that.

>>49553947
Are those the actual people in the story?

>>49554036
Probably not, but it's what the original post had.

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So I am playing a very optimized diplomancer in my pathfinder game, and my GM (fairly new) is asking for advice on how best to balance the game given this character's out-of-combat skills.

Is there any advice you guys would give him? Should he nerf my character, adjust the challenges in the game, or what?

>>49554127

You're just the party face, ain't nothing wrong with that.

Dat chest is unreal tho.

>>49554127
See if you can start building hirelings and do charisma tests for commands. I also like when intimidate can be used in combat to frighten enemies.

>>49554034

Naw naw man, she's a goddess, conception is 100% or 0% depending on her mood.

I'm just surprised Ragathiel is described as her only son when she's reported to have hundreds of children, and his papa's a devil, which has a reputation in the lore.

>>49554127
If you are the outlier of the game, then you are that guy, and should bring yourself down to reason on your own recognizance, not have the dm twist the game around to deal with you.

>>49554127
Sorry, what were you asking about? I was distracted by those mountainous mammaries.

>>49554256
>>49554200

Her tits are indeed enormous and shapely, but they seem a little "too round," I mean look at them >>49554127 and see how they look more like balloons she put in her dress than something attached to her body.

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>>49554208
>>49554255

Let me try to be more clear.

I am the diplomancer, and I am asking on behalf of my DM how best to balance the game given the fact I can roll 50+ on diplomacy and knowledge checks at level 5.

I am willing to have my character nerfed if that is the DM's decision, I'm just asking - again, on his behalf - what solutions you all might employ to balance a game with such a character in it.

>>49554256
I used (CHA mod + CON mod) /2 for bust size, fyi

>>49554323
What are your CHA and CON then, 20s?

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>>49554340

24 CHA
18 CON

>>49554323
>I am willing to have my character nerfed if that is the DM's decision
And I'm telling you that you shouldn't need the DM to tell you not to break the game, you should know that on your own.
It's like someone needing to tell you not to be an asshole, you should already know not to be an asshole.

>>49554323

>I used a formula for bust size

Well don't just tease us, what're the numbers? How impressive is this diplomancer's chest?

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>>49554360

>>49554323
>building your character to break the game over your glorious diplomatic dick
>trying to find a way not to make your GM unhappy

Why would you build your character to be so unbalanced when you knew your GM was new and inexperienced, in the first place?

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>>49554370

does being very good at diplomacy make the game "bad" or break it? Is there no way to have a fun game with a character who is good at this? What about the combat monsters who own combat? Does it apply to them, too?

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>>49554393

I didn't know that he was inexperienced, and I didn't honestly think being good at diplomacy and knowledge checks would ruin anything. I still don't think they do, but I'm open to debate on the subject.

I'm also not trying to make my DM unhappy, I'm doing the opposite by asking for methods of balancing the game without necessarily nerfing me, if possible.

>>49554323
>>49554360
Here's how the GM nerfs you.
>Very Important NPC
>He has issues with his mom and thus has a pathological fear of curvaceous women
There. You can still win your diplo to manipulate other aspects of the story but you don't win the game because of it; other party members have to intercede.

>>49554376

He gave 'em here: >>49554360

Which gives us a +5 modifier, meaning E cups, meaning uncommonly large.

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>>49554443

ok, so just diversify the types of social interactions so that one character doesn't work for everything? Seems fair.

Maybe introducing an equally powerful villain/nemesis to counter her, as well?

>>49554511
>Maybe introducing an equally powerful villain/nemesis to counter her, as well?

No, you need to introduce situations where simply talking good does not produce a positive outcome. The Archmage trying to argue wizardry will be better swayed by the caster than your DDiplomancer, same with a general or knight with the martial.

Your girl will still be a master of general conversation and swaying hearts and minds over to your side, but when it comes to specialized matters the others should find their expertise actually matters.

>>49554400
What combat? You're only going to have combat encounters against mindless things, which sucks and would be very repetitive even if the DM did contrive it to be that way because mindless creatures don't vary in combat much, plotlines will be underwhelming or anticlimactic. With Diplomacy that high you could wake up to combat with assassins and still make it worthless if you got even a single turn to make ultra-rushed checks against super-hostile targets.

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>>49554539

As I understand the rules, even my character cannot move the disposition of an enemy that is "hostile" at the start of an encounter. She can move it from Unfriendly to Helpful, though, given time for the check.

I don't think my DM even intends to use these rules, though, and it is just assumed that in combat diplomacy does not work. I'm ok with this, she is not meant for battle just for courtly intrigue.

>>49554538
50+ Diplomacy will have him succeeding in convincing people of anything even without being esteemed in their field. Doing otherwise just invalidates the concept of rolled Diplomacy based on investment.

Basically Diplomacy as a scaling stat is fucking stupid by the rules. I say the above as if invalidating Diplomacy would be a bad thing, it's actually not as long as you are actually upfront about it. Don't LET them pour ranks into Diplomacy if you houserule that only roleplaying matters and not their ranks.

>>49554594

should the skill itself just be stricken from the game, then? why bother having it?

So, I have a question for those with great knowledge of the bestiary.

GM has ruled that as an Oracle of Nature, the bonded mount revaluation can be anything "ridable" that is a Large sized creature. Basically, four legs and Large means it's good to go.

What is the best animal to use for combat (non mounted)?

>>49554594
What is a sense motive check?

>>49554648
Dire Tiger would be the most obvious choice, but there might be something really obscure I've overlooked.

>>49554583
>>49554511
>>49554433
>>49554400
I figured you only see this kind of denseness and complete obliviousness of gaming courtesy from touhoufag.

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Post yfw your DM is 100% wrong but the rest of the group thinks he's right.

>>49553907
That's not the monk, that's the iconic Bloodrager (who has the Air bloodline).

>>49554712
DMs are always right.
>shows them RAW
>'eh, that doesn't make sense, these are the rules now'

>>49554721
But I'm also a DM.

So then who is actually right?

>>49554731
Is it your game? No? Then you're not the DM.

>>49554433
Dem hips

>>49553709
Well hey, the briefest mention of Feronia. Always nice since I'm playing a cleric of hers.

>>49554739
Nah, nigga, if the DM is 100% wrong by RAW. he is wrong.

>>49554323
Ummm... how are you getting 50+ at level five?
I know you can get ~10 from the roll, 7 from stats, 3 from class skill, 5 from ranks. That still puts you at 25/50.

>>49554615
Well obviously it should if you're not going to use it, or should be replaced, but some people will still prefer to use it even when it doesn't make sense all the time (or ever; a peasant literally cannot be stubborn unless he goes out and gains some levels, apparently). Personally I'd rather it be some fixed value sort of thing as long as it stays unscaling, rather than just drop it entirely.

>>49554648
Either a dire tiger for the pounce/grab/rake or an ankylosaurus (animal companion) for for the dazing tail attack.

>>49554754
He rules that he is right motherfucker.

>>49554754
That sucks, because DMs make the rules as they see fit. Talk to him, don't be a dick about it, but otherwise it is his game.

I have three current DMS and all three are very different.
One is "fuck the rules, let's make you op and give you tons of random shit for flavor only".
Second is "RAW or go home"
Third is more towards RAWs, makiNG adjustments when he sees fit, which arent that often.

>>49554748

They're just too weirdly proportioned, anon. They don't look like hips.

>>49554754
Not that guy.
If your GM says, for example, "Warhammers can't be used for a full-attact action, it says so in the rules!" he is wrong.
If your GM says "I'm going to say you can't use warhammers for full-attack actions." he is right. Unwise, perhaps, but wrong isn't the word for it.

>inb4 why wouldn't warhammers blah blah
it was just an example

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Hey /pfg/ what's the most unkillable motherfucker you can make at level 3? Not gonna run it since I'm (now that it's been pointed out to me) all about glass cannons in turn based systems, but I'm still fairly curious.
Hard mode:using only paizo material and core races, at that

>>49554818
Show me the rule that says warhammers can be used in a full attack asshole

>>49553104
>Considering changing Bad Penny's second selection to upgrade to pennies equal to your Wis modifier + the original 1.
Yes, do this thing.
>Archetype
I like the veiled stranger, and the idea of an anti-creature type theme is nice, but fey and demons are a bit different from eachother both mechanically and thematically. Maybe make it broadened to outsiders or pick a type from a list?
While we're on archetypes, any other ideas on the horizon?

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>Campaign has a pre-game IC
>It's populated entirely by generic anime characters, animal-people and unusually perky chattermouths

Also, and this is a genuine question because I've seen it happen all the ding dong time, why do so many of these fuckers order "water" or "juice" at a tavern?

Seriously, I open up one of these things and you think the tavern is a preppy milkshake joint at the local mall, all these kids order is WATER and JUICE and very, very occasionally ALE.

>>49554846
Any melee weapon can be used in a full-attack, dumbass.

>>49554721
But that's fucking wrong, anon.
>In 5e game
>Roll up a standard kind of dickass drow rogue
>"but he's (the model) facing you, you can't use sneak attack"
>"but you're not hiding, you cant sneak attack"
>"but he's an undead, you can't sneak attack" granted, I'll give him this one since he was apparently "playing since second edition"
>Show him the rules in the core book
>"Oh.... well I'm still unsure"
You're not gonna fucking stop allowing me to use the only mechanic of the class I still like in your shitty campaign because you "don't feel like I should get that"

>>49554846
Here.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/getting-started
Labeled "The Most Important Rule"
>The rules are intended to help you breathe life into your characters and the world they explore.
>While they are designed to make your game easy and exciting, you might find that some of them do not suit the style of play that your gaming group enjoys.
>Remember that these rules are yours. You can change them to fit your needs. Most Game Masters have a number of “house rules” that they use in their games.
>The Game Master and players should always discuss any rules changes to make sure that everyone understands how the game will be played. Although the Game Master is the final arbiter of the rules, with the exception of the rule that says you can make full-attacks with warhammers (which is immutable), the Pathfinder RPG is a shared experience, and all of the players should contribute their thoughts when the rules are in doubt.

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>>49554870

Isn't wine just fermented juice, though?

In all seriousness, can't say I'm familiar with the problem. All the weebs and furries I've played with like booze just as much as the rest of us.

>>49554899
>>49554959
Why did you give that post an actual response, what's wrong with you people?

>>49554870
I've had too many GM's pull bullshit on me. "Oh, you drank a beer? Your character gets drunk and wakes up without any gear."

Screw that. My characters only drink water. And once they can afford it, they get a ring of sustenance and never drink or eat anything again.

So fuck you GM's, I am simply the player that you have created.

>>49554844
Human Paladin:
1: Fey Foundling (+2 healed per die roll), Toughness
3: Greater Mercy (+1d6 healed with LoH)

On average rolls and 16 CON:
10+3+4+5+4+5+4=35HP

Assuming average wealth/level (3k):
> +10 AC (Full Plate +1)
> +1 AC (Dex)
> +2 AC (Shield)

Result is:
>35HP
>23AC
>Can heal himself as a swift action for 3d6+6=16.5 every turn for 1/2 level+Cha. Can optionally grab 2 more uses by taking Extra Lay On Hands instead of Toughness
>You also get sick saves.

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>>49554959

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>>49554703
what's a touhou?

>>49554759
+5 ranks
+3 class skill
+2 racial
+2 trait
+3 circlet of persuasion
+6 charisma
+2 geisha bard
+4 pageant of the peacock bonus
+2 seducer's eyes spell
+2 enhanced diplomacy spell
+4 celestial obedience feat
+1 perfume kit
+2 exotic perfume
+2 cultural adaptation spell
+2 tap inner beauty spell

+the d20 roll

>>49555025

That sounds awful. The only time we had "wake up to shenanigans" shenanigans, we'd already gotten pretty drunk, then the royal sommelier brought us a bottle of something created by an order of mad monks somewhere in the mountains. Whatever happened next, we were totally down for it.

Never did find out where that castle tower went.

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>HEY LET'S PLAY PATHFINDER!
>What do you mean you want to play a Barbarian, Barbarians are overpowered, pick something else

>>49555036
Damn, son. You ever run that or is this just theorycrafting?

>>49555138
Did
Not
Happen

>>49555141
More or less. Ran something similar, without the shield in a mostly PoW campaign. DM did let me swap my spells for archetype maneuver progression though.

It was super fun and pretty strong. We didn't have anyone who could heal though and the DM threw a ton of enemies at us everyday. Can't remember a day where I didn't run out of LoHs. Aside Fey Foundling, Power Attack and Greater Mercy every other feat was Extra Lay on Hands.

>>49555159
How many times have Barbarians been nerfed because of crying PFS players now?

>>49555141

It's not a particularly exotic build. I'd imagine a lot of paladins wind up looking pretty much like that at level 3.

My group's paladin went full plate as soon as he had the money.

>>49555159
After I ran a dual-lance wielding mounted pounce barbarian (back before they get nerfed) my GM wouldn't let me play barbarians for awhile.

>>49553965
Woot! Thanks Leakanon! See ya next month!

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>>49555193
>running out of LoH every day, even with consistently taking the feat
Damn son.

>>49555207
I mean, there's not a lot you can do in variety at level 3, I was just pretty curious.

Better question time, then.

What's the most unkillable character you've ever personally made (played or not)
as long as it wasn't like level 17, since almost nobody really makes it there, is unfair to compare to other characters

Again, hard mode: Only paizo stuff, any race though

>>49555270
>most unkillable
Synthethist summoner was pretty high up there just due to massive hp pools, decent saves/defenses, resistances, and the eidolon healing spells/fast healing evolution combined with guerilla tactics. Having the fast healing and then picking up the sacrifice evolution to heal the party was also pretty whack, effectively letting us measure time to full-heal in minutes after each combat and let the cleric save his spells for mid-battle emergencies.

>>49555080
Pageant of the Peacock says nothing about Diplomacy

Seducer's Eyes may not work on all NPCs

Circlet of Persuasion and Enhanced Diplomacy do not stack, both being a competence bonus.

Celestial Obedience also says nothing about Diplomacy or CHA

Perfume kit gives a circumstance bonus, does not stack with Pageant of the Peacock if you are somehow getting bonuses from that.

Exotic Perfume is also a circumstance bonus, not stacking with regular Perfume of the Pageant of the Peacock.

Cultural Adaptation is also a circumstance bonus.

>>49555270
My Zealot in Wrath of the Righteous is a monster to kill right now.

Zealot 9, with Mythic rank 3 Guardian
118HP (+Diehard and Hard to Kill From Mythic means I still fight until -24)
21AC (I've given up on AC at this point)
DR 3/- (because I am a whore and adamantine armor looks badass)
Saves of 13/7/17 (Pre-errata Force of Personality and a +4 cloak)
15ft reach with Mythic (unlimited) Combat Reflexes, Greater Trip, and Cage Enemy (spend a mythic power as an immediate action, all movement from my squares provokes and if I hit they stop, no save, no check)
Fear the Reaper (can initiate as a free action thanks to protection augment)
Telekinetic Barrier by expending Psionic Focus to halve the damage of an attack as a free action
Absorb Blow as an immediate to negate 15 damage and pick up an extra 1 DR/- and 5 resistance to standard energies

I'm a new DM when it comes to Pathfinder or anything similar, and I have a few questions going into helping players making their characters (their new to ttrpg).

-What are some recommended spells for a level 1 wizard for a first timer? I heard you could mess it up pretty bad in character creation.

-I have bought the core rulebook and I am planning on buying and adventure path. Is there any other book I really should get or are these two things more than enough for our first experience?

-What do you think is the best way to determine ability scores?

>>49555377
circumstance bonuses stack, and Celestial Obedience gives bonuses based on the celestial in question (probably arashae in this case)

>>49555414
>color spray
>don't buy any books, you should be able to find all the books for free in one way or another. The rules are all located on d20pfsrd.com
>Point buy.

>>49555414
1) Grab random spells to see what the wizard likes to use. Grab a handful of mixed party utility (enlarge person), battle utility (grease/color spray), damage (magic missile), self utility (windy escape)

Also buy a spell pouch or whatever it is called for 25g. A lot of spells have random components needed to cast. If it doesn't list a gold value next to the item, you have it in the spell pouch.

2) Don't buy any other books. Use d20pfsrd.com to look at what you need.

3) Roll 4d6 drop the lowest is the best option for newcomers. You can try to explain point buy, but I've seen it be more of a hassle than a helpful tool for new players. Just remember, if you are buying a book, they are "balanced" around a 15 point buy. Roll 4d6 drop the lowest will likely bring in MUCH higher scores, allowing your power to destroy most of the books with ease, but that is a good thing since they are new. When they start learning, you can up the difficulty and bring in higher leveled monsters.

>>49555422
Forgot about that. That is still a lot of spellcasting and wasting time sitting in front of an NPC that is just as likely to ignore you and wander off.

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>>49555377

>Pageant of the Peacock
it gives a +4 to bluff, which is supplanted by perform using bardic versatile performance. All these bonuses use perform as the base skill.

Also, according to James Jacobs, diplo bonuses, such as from traits and racial, apply to both the PotP use of the skill and to straight diplomacy in this case. So the perfume bonus applies to the perform check in this case.

>enhanced diplo+perfume
Circumstance bonuses stack

>circlet
is competence bonus

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>>49555518

they all have 10 min/level duration except enhanced diplo

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>>49555547

last one

Are there any spells that boost intimidate, other than shit like guidance?

>>49555270
>What's the most unkillable character you've ever personally made (played or not)

Level 11 Zweihander Sentinel / Slayer gestalt with 38 AC, 25 touch, 192 HP, saves in the +15s and immunity to things that force half-damage or half-effects if you pass the saves.

He had 15 foot range with a weapon that did 30 damage average.

>>49555159

Oh you sweet summer child, if only you knew the types of people out there who legitimately believe martials are overpowered.

>>49555585

This diplomancer >>49554127 can't damage anything for beans, but she does have a touch armor class high enough that she is only ever hit on 20's when fighting one target at a time.

>have 6 CHA bonus
>1 level oracle dip for sidestep secret +6 CHA to AC
>osyluth guile for +8 dodge to AC
>combat expertise
>fighting defensively
>at level 16 arshea's celestial obedience grant CHA as armor bonus while in revealing clothing and no armor
>ring of protection
>amulet natural armor
>1 level dip in paladin for smite 1/day, +CHA as deflection bonus to AC
>buckler
>dodge feat
>ring of foe focus

>>49555638
Ring of Protection doesn't stack with the AC bonus from Smite Evil.

>>49555656

no, but with CHA that high it's an upgrade over the ring once per day is what I meant

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>>49555377

celestial obedience of arshea

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>>49555638

>Dat touch AC
>Oracle
>Arshea worshiper

My Sentinel would protect that for daaaaaays.

>>49554323
One of my players knows how you feel. In our Kingmaker game he played a DSP succubus with a Diplomacy roll so high we almost never had to do combat. He eventually said it stopped being fun so he had his character step down as queen and leave the kingdom.

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>>49555728

It's a delicate balance, since I do enjoy it when my character is very very good at a given thing (and consequently very poor at other things). But yes, I acknowledge the reality that it can make it hard for a DM to cope with - you either nerf the character and deny him fun, or you let him go nuts and pretty much undermine the game. There is a happy medium, I am sure, but it can be tough to find. That's why I'm asking.

>>49555638
My strong and loyal Warden would like to make your diplomancer his cohort.

>>49554870
My characters only ever order water because I suffered from alcoholism for about ten years and I just want to stay away from the stuff completely, even if it is playing pretend and rolling dice.

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>>49555270
>That pic.
>Knowing that feel so hard.

Damn, it was weird acclimating to non-murder GMs after getting out of the group I was raised with.

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>>49555803

>tfw I've been with non-murder DMs for so long that I crave murder

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>>49555814
Eastern PA?

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>>49555638

Dude, you have no idea how badly I want to play that gestalt, it was a PbP campaign centered around being hot-shot heroes who would unite Avengers style to fight global threats, and my character was a legendary dragonslayer who was on his way to wiping out an entire Orc tribe after they destroyed his home city.

The DM fucking ghosted us a week into the campaign, I barely got a single post out before he just disappeared.

Embrace your powerful diplomancer, for I doubt you'll *ever* get a chance to play or construct something quite like it again.

>>49555869

Nope, about two states to the west.

Friend, I suggest building that barley farming simulator on Roll20 and run it there.

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>>49555886
I'm going to join PFS games at the LGS for a few sessions and try to recruit them from there.

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So /pfg/, I'm not a shill though I wish I was getting paid for this. Go to Kickstarter and lookup Dungeon Builder: An Isometric Map Maker for Role Players. Hell, don't even bother giving them money, try out the demo they have for download. This thing looks great. Pic related, I made it in like 5 minutes.

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>>49555873

it gets better, she uses the flame blade spell, maximized, and with vital strike to do ok-ish damage. It's not much, but when she uses improved feint she targets flatfooted touch AC and pretty much never misses anything. With her high AC, it might take her a long time to whittle a monster down, but she can do it given enough time since she is so hard to hit.

Basically the idea is she's trained in court duels, and can square off against single targets ok in long cinematic exchanges, but gets rapidly overwhelmed when she is swarmed by 2+ enemies at once.

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All right, gentlemen, I'm currently playing a gunslinger, but it got pretty stale very quick desu.

So, pitch me your, preferably odd or weird, character ideas that lets me change up the way I fight either between encounters or in the fight itself.

Or if you just have some weird build in general, I'd love checking it out c:

>>49556037
I once managed to get approval for and have great fun playing a shooting squad.
Brood summoner with every possible option to have more summons, all wielding rifles and working as a group while I wore a big hat and stood behind them with my own bigger gun. Wasn't super effective, but was hilarious.

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Building a 6th level sorcerer since paladins are boring. What 3 feats should I take as a blaster, and for that matter, is metamagic worthwhile at this level? I do have Magical Lineage to reduce the metamagic cost on fireball by 1.

>>49555947
Mkay, that's pretty enough for me. Backed.

>>49554538
Also just because you can sway a person one way or another doesn't necessarily mean they are going to help you. For instance, no matter how charming you are, you are very unlikely to talk a loyal knight into betraying his liege without a convincing argument.

I remember I was playing a character one time whose was well known for essentially being the Victorian British Nobleman in the Dark Continent and thus a massive entitled prick to the others outside the party. Our party sorcerer used Charm person to make himself seem like the characters best friend to have him hand over a shrine he was looting. That merely meant my character went from standoffish Brit who didn't like him to Patronizing Brit who treated him similar to a particularly clever child. Still carried off the shrine and didn't hand it over cause well it isn't mind control and even to best firend's the character was a condescending dick.

Although Sorcerer did get last laugh in end when he tricked me into handing it over to the Sorcerer's church.

>>49553675
But the frog is an air elemental too.

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>>49555969

I can't see that working well in a practical combat segment, but a cinematic courtly duel? I like it, especially since that's where dressing "casual" (given your obedience) makes a little more sense.

Meanwhile, the gestalt was specced for crowd control and single target elimination, though I took liberties with going for things that looked cool; energy blasts that let me fling foes 30 feet away with a thrust of my spear, Quick-Draw and Cornered Frenzy Strike to get the jump in any situation where my character was surrounded, Impaling Strike just so I could jam someone on the end of my weapon and fling them away like a Dark Souls boss, it was going to be great.

He even had extensive skills in tracking and knowledge, dude was supposed to be as good at hunting the foes as he was eliminating them. His only weakness was, of course, charisma and charisma-based abilities.

>>49555039
That was a cute series, but the manga really ended disappointingly.

>>49555710
>yfw it's something unpronouncable and you keep biting your tongue screaming like a drunk.

>>49556413

You don't have to actually say their names, anon, just that their bits are really good and make you feel good.

I have a question, is it possible to qualify for a human racial feat through some sort of finagling and not be a Human, Half-elf, or Half-Orc?

>>49554712

I don't have a reaction face for being kicked and banned from the game in my folder

Guy told me that, as a bard, I could only use versatile performance if I dropped ranks in the skill being replaced. "Otherwise, you aren't really /replacing/ it. You have to have it first for it to be replaced, anon."

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>>49556457
This help you for Reaction face?

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>>49556457

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Hey there, /pfg/

Can I get some more input and criticisms for my homebrew class? I'd gladly appreciate it.

Its an offense/support class based loosely on the Tactician and the Vitalist with a flavor of warlock.

His main draw is his ability to deal damage , debuff and deliver support buffs all in one turn.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xQMlB45-UFEWCB2ffqoBUMhR-t4afSXLk29fgTJNVyw/edit

>>49555710
I seriously have to wonder how Paizo prints this without issue, but there aren't any possible Small love interests in the AP's.

And I'm not just saying that because my Halfling Gunslinger had the highest CHA in the party in my group's first game.

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>>49556617

Jade Regent AP lets you eventually ship with Ameiko and/or Shayliss if you play your cards right

>>49556617

Sexual liberation and free love is fine...

... As long as it doesn't involve things that look like kids.

>>49556665

Ameiko is a Tien-sized human (so roughly 5'2 maybe 5'4) and Shayliss is a human from Rise of the Runelords.

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>>49556665

pic related tries to pounce on a PC in a bed

>>49556679

>tfw it's a joke encounter and dad's supposed to come down to see his daughter under one of the town heroes

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>>49556617
It sounds like I have to write up some small love interests for my campaign.

What do people who play gnomes or halflings go for? I'm at work, so I'm not going to the shortstack thread on /aco/.

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>>49556678

ah ok, I see your dilemma. At least you've still got Elin porn.

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>>49554712

>>49556679
I remember when the GM sprung her on my Brawler.

He didn't, partly because he thought her father would disapprove, but mostly because he has an image to uphold in the ring. Face can't be caught in the same company a Heel would keep, ya know?

Admittedly, he was also only 4'10", meaning she was a full head taller than him, and that's a bit embarassing for him despite his 18 STR.

She basically hates him now. Understandable, being spurned like that over a showman's reputation.

>>49556697
Boy am I glad I made that Acrobatics/Stealth double check to run out the front door without Ven noticing. Our Wizard would have killed me if we'd lost access to the general store.

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>>49554712

>>49556617
In Skulls and Shackles there was a foulmouthed halfling pirate bard on board the Wormwood that my character hooked up with.

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>>49554712

>>49554305
The issue isn't that they're 'too round', but that they're basically defying gravity.

The presence of a visible curve on the top of her titanic tatas is what makes 'em look funky, since we visually expect more, y'know, weight.

it might also be the artist's fault for not getting rid of those lines

>>49556679
>tfw our paladin was gonna do the deed

He has not been a very good paladin, if I'm being honest.

>>49556860
Nothing in the Paladin's code prevents them from having sex.

>>49556876

In fact, some of the codes encourage it!

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>>49556679
>mfw my 5'4", 18 Str half elf was gonna go for it, since he's honest but not very bright
>mfw right as they come to an understanding, her dad walks in
>mfw have to bullshit his way around the dad and will probably never get another shot
>mfw later, after plot shit went nuts, my character got drunk and woke up in the brothel

How good of a racial feature would it be to be Proficient with Shields and keep your Shield Bonus to Touch AC?

With Desna's divine fighting technique..
Is it worth playing Flying Blade Swashbuckler? Is there a fighter archetype that benefit from having high CHA?

I'm building a Tome Eater Occultist gestalted with a Bladebound/Hexcrafter Magus.

My question is, can I free-action buff my Black Blade so it gets an enhancement bonus, swift-action arcane pool buff it, then standard-action use Legacy Weapon to grant it another weapon enhancement, or is this just me misreading the rules?

>>49556891
Plus, because the paladin is immune to disease, he can't catch STDs!

>>49556920
>mfw have to bullshit his way around the dad and will probably never get another shot

The book straight up says the player has a shot at hooking up later on with Shayliss if you get a good diplomacy roll.

>>49554323
>>49554464
>that formula
(15+9)/2 = 12 (I have a succubus with charisma 40
Also, don't forget that bra sizes have AA, DD, DDD, EE, FF, etc.

So, a 5 is really D-cups, and a 12 is G

>>49556927
only if you gave this race a -4 to dex

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>>49556948

You better be playing the role of slutty older sister and boobhatting jealous flat-chested girls or men you fancy.

>>49556964
Why that specifically?

>>49556948
Depends on what scale you're using. One goes into double letters the other doesnt.

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>>49556999
Of course, anon.

but right now she's been made incorporeal, so until we get our hands on an amulet of grasping souls, she's the ghost of 'spies on you when you masturbate and then makes fun of you for it later'

>>49557016
I vote for scale that uses double/triple letters for the sake of not having a massively top-heavy character.

>>49556876
Well, of course not, but he's done stuff like:
>Looting the posessions of evil people who aren't dead or anything.
>Intimidating neutral people for information
>Allowing our chaotic stupid rogue to go full chaotic stupid.

>>49557073
Is this an ERP game or just a normal game that tolerates a Succubus with huge chesticles?

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>>49557073
>for the sake of not having a massively top-heavy character.

Bit too late for that, Ms. G-Cup.

>>49557103

There is literally nothing wrong with a non-ERP character having large breasts.

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>>49557016
>>49556999
>>49556948
>>49554127
>>49554360
>>49554323


In our game we count them as H (anime scale, I guess)

>>49557103
The latter, and it's one instance that I would not want the game to develop into an ERP

1) It's in-person and 2) the other two people in the group are already extremely bad at roleplay

>>49557118
>too late for that
G-cup is sustainable. It's when you get into 'those letters don't actually exist in sizes, at that point you need custom work' that things become unreasonable.

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>tfw no way to trade Intelligence for Charisma with a Warder

>>49556941
I'm assuming that she'll fall out of the GM's memory, since there's so many other things that'll take up attention. It could still happen during downtime after we finish up the first book. I might get "newer, better waifus" showed off to me though. I am genuinely worried my GM might take "can I make my animal companion intelligent" the wrong way, especially with our wizard being transmutation focused.

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>>49557148

but anon, Hitomi is a JJ. Surely she isn't unsustainable?

>>49557190
She probably wears a back brace whenver she's off-camera. Seriously, those things get heavy when you gotta carry 'em all day or so I would assume.

>>49557190

Hitomi is a J-cup by Japan's measurements, isn't she?

Also, a modern Japanese woman with huge breasts may not be the same as a medieval woman with huge breasts and a need to haul them halfway across Avistan.

>>49557204

That's what a bra reinforced with Muleback Cords is for!

I was thinking of running a game on rolld20.

Do you think players will bitch if I tell them that all creatures in my game will automatically get a new save every round for any harmful spell or effect afflicting them with a duration. If the monster succeeds on the save, it suppresses the effect of the spell or ability on itself.

It's my weird caster nerf due to the circumstances of the campaign.

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>>49557217
>muleback cords
That is painfully logical. I'll accept it.

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>>49557178

In my playthrough the DM actually never had the Shayliss seducing character bit, but instead had her run away from home and hop on the PC's wagon as they left town on their adventure.

My samurai took the leadership feat, and made her a cohort. I leveled her as a cavalier, and many sexy adventures were had by the samurai sisters on the way to Tien Xia. Best campaign I ever played in.

And before you ask, no they did not ship together...my samurai was too busy shipping with Ameiko

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>>49557254

>mfw my Paladin wound up without an OTP by the end of Jade Regent.

>>49557243
>will they bitch
Yes. Yes they will. You are houseruling a nerf, it'd be weirder if they didn't bitch and moan.

>that actual rule
The number of abilities that have durations and don't have extra saving throws baked in is extremely limited. What exactly were you thinking of when you wrote that out?

>>49555947
That's pretty neat, but not $38 neat.

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>>49557177
What do you want to be able to do with your Charisma-based Warder?

Maybe we can make it work with something else.

Filling out Roll20 sheets make me want to kill myself, is there a way to make this less tedious?

>>49557337

I want to be a gleaming knight of justice that can reliably gestalt with Paladin.

Mostly however I just want to play a character that isn't so much brains or willpower as he is sheer force of presence, which is further enhanced by his heavy armor and "fuck off" damage potential.

I know about the Warlord, but it just doesn't feel right, you know? I like damage, I like AC, I like being the tank.

>>49557282
its about the thematics of the majority of the fights. I might not have worded it correctly but in theory this rule should hit pretty much everything that isn't a buff or instantaneous. This rule affects things that don't directly target the creature. For example even if you create a field of difficult terrain, that field doesn't affect the creature if it makes this weird extra save, this doesn't dispell the field. More extremely, this also works with an anti-magic field, making it immune to that field.

The reason for this strange rule is that half of the things they're expected to fight really can't be trivialized or or hard CCed for the game to work at all.

The best example I can give is something like a video game boss or an mmo where effects have diminishing returns and resistances reduce durations. The weird nerf rule is there because my other option is giving shit lots of immunities which sucks in its own awful way.

>>49557387
>is there a way to make this less tedious?

Yeah, don't use Roll20 sheets, use Myth-Weavers.

>>49557387
What are you talking about, it takes like 5-10 mins to fill out the character sheet.

>>49557406
Unfortunately you can't roll in Roll20 from mythweavers

>>49557254
I actually kind of wanted to save Ameiko for when we play Jade Regent, but I probably shouldn't count on that. Playing through RotRL right now. It should be a gestalt game but the GM seems to have forgotten all about it again and we didn't go for it.

>>49557427
>Unfortunately you can't roll in Roll20 from mythweavers

Fortunately it's very easy to figure out what you need to type in the chat to roll.

Seriously, if it's an attack roll it's just /roll 1d20+modifier, that takes maybe five seconds to type, tops.

Is there any way to make part of my body a construct do I can be a sort of pseudo cyborg?

>>49557400
>difficult terrain
Magically-created difficult terrain usually grants several throws (see Entangle), so it's unnecessary to grant Yet Another saving throw.

>immune to AMF
Exceedingly pointless, as the creature can typically just, you know, leave the area of the AMF. Additionally, if you aren't including enemies with primarily (Ex) abilities or, at least, a few useful ones specifically for dealing with the AMF-using party members, then you don't seem to have fully grasped the issue with running this system: it starts falling apart after 12th level or so, sometimes even earlier, and it is up to the GM (you, in this instance) to patch the leaky ship so it doesn't sink before the campaign ends.

Also, your players should be making knowledge checks to learn about the enemies they face, spellcraft checks to identify visible magical effects, and using detect magic to peek at all those christmas lights high-level NPC foes tend to have. A Knowledge (Nature) check might tell them that the well-armored knight leading the group they're fighting is humanoid, but it won't tell them that he's a barbarian wearing +3 Heavy Fortification half-plate and wielding a +2 Vorpal greatsword while using his Necklace of Fireballs ver.4 to chip the party down before diving into combat.

>>49557464
Or you could spend a few minutes filling in the character sheet and just push a single button.

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>>49557464
>>49557427

I just make my own sheet in the abilities and attributes part of the character sheet. Takes me like 15 minutes.

>>49557501
Pretty much only as 3pp, since the limb loss rules in S&S are the only 1pp ones I know of and they suck.

However, the prosthetics by 4winds is of okay balance.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/variant-rules-3rd-party/4-winds-fantasy-gaming/The-Loss-of-a-Body-Part/Prosthetics

>>49556778
Mine got with the half orc quartermaster.

>>49557505
WHY?!? There's already made character sheets that already do this.

>>49557501
>Is there any way to make part of my body a construct do I can be a sort of pseudo cyborg?

The Mithral Arm costs 16,500 gp and gives you an untyped +4 strength bonus, I assume this means you can get two mithral arms and get a +8 total.

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>>49556778
>>49557523

>Hooking up with the half-orc and halfling
>When you've got a friend in the Cleric of Besmara

Not like you can't have the entire party into her anyway, she's a pirate after all, group fun's best fun.

What is companion to the lonely and where can I find it?

>>49557559

You can't do things on them like substitute DEX for CHA to AC, or add in the effects of feats, stuff like that.

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>>49557594
Inner Sea Intrigue

>>49557645
Thanks! I kept song mention of it, but never a source

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>>49557392
Vanguard Commander (Warlord)

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/warlord/warlord-archetypes/vanguard-commander-warlord-archetype

You get Heavy Armor proficiency. You also get the Eternal Guardian discipline from PoW:E, but you could swap it for Silver Crane.

You have one more readied maneuver than a Warder, so ready a counter that raises your defenses.

You could gestalt with Paladin, or Oracle. There might be Oracle abilities that can replicate some of what a Paladin does.

How good are the talismans from Horror Adventures? I know the lesser ones might be a good thing to buy before a tough dungeon, or if you're expecting undead/hags/swarms/etc., but which of the greater ones, that give you the ability once a day, might be worth it?

>>49557591
Maybe over the internet, but I've found that ERPing gangbangs at the table is kind of awkward for everyone.

>>49557591
Hey man, that Half orc was the quarter master. I'd put my dick in anything to get to have real food and all my gear back.

>>49557660

It also makes me lose a feat for Improved Shield Bash and apparently focuses on using a shield, which just strikes me as no Bueno.

>>49557732

Odd, a gangbang around a table seems fairly apropos.

>>49557645

is there anything for bards in this book?

>>49555080
Why would you be this much of a munchkin and then ask how to nerf it instead of just not doing the bullshit? That's like shooting yourself in the foot and then asking how to pull the bullet out safely.

>>49557502
Spells this affects where it isn't redundant
levels 1-forever: The enchantment school.

level 1:
Grease
Obscuring Mist
Color Spray
Cause fear
Charm person

level 2:
Fog cloud
Web
Hideous Laughter
Opressive boredom
Darkness
Touch of idiocy
Daze monster
Blindness
Command Undead
Ghoul Touch

3rd:
Magic circle
Sleep Storm
Ash Storm
Spiked pit
Heatstroke
Stinking Cloud
Technically Clairaudience/Clairvoyance
Daylight
Halt Undead
Ray of Exhaustion

4th:
Dimensional Anchor
Black Tentacles
Solid Fog
Technically Scrying
Ice Strom
Resilient Sphere
Enervation
Fear
Confusion

I don't want to keep going. My point is, if you'll look at the list, its a whole lof of the bullshit spells. I suspect the kind of stuff it helps mitigate as you go higher level is all the sort of stuff that is rated highly by some guides.
This also isn't a rule I'm sneaking on them or pulling out of nowhere it'll be right there in the recruitment ad. I appreciate your feedback as it has given me an idea of what to expect.

>>49557823

Most of it's coming from spells too, which is amusing since it means much of her natural charm is anything but, and anyone in a position of nobility could see that (in this case literally, she'll light up if you cast detect magic.)

>>49556697
So what's the verdict in the unchained fighter/cavalier? Has anyone used them it made characters using them?

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>>49557823

Because I don't think it's a given that being exceptional at anything in the game necessarily breaks it if the DM works with it well.

>>49557874

>+8 from spells
>most of it

k

>>49557914

+8 out of +50 is a majority.

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>>49557787
What do you want the source of your damage to be?

You can take Buckler Bash. This lets you have the other hand free for a two-handed weapon.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/feats#TOC-Buckler-Bash-Combat-

You can use that two-handed weapon for Primal Fury maneuvers.

>>49557872
>grease
literally move half speed and stop falling

>obscuring mist
that obscures everything, not just enemy vision

>color spray
unconscious creatures shouldn't get saving throws

>cause fear
literally ineffective vs 6+HD enemies

>charm person
grants +5 to saving throw when used in combat/threatening situations to the target, and requires an opposed charisma check for every single issued order

You have a funky concept of how these spells are meant to work, if you think that throwing in an extra saving throw every round for the monsters is anything but turn bloat. Your rule will do nothing except encourage any magic-using applicants to ask if they, the players, also benefit from this houserule.

>>49557578
Untyped from same source bucko.

>>49557387
What makes it tedious?

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>>49558199
It's quite clearly two different arms.

Not to mention, unless the maker is a moron, one would be a "left arm" and the other would be a "right arm", thus the sources are plenty different, including not being the same source.

>>49558055
>literally move half speed and stop falling

Sure, but that means no charging, plus any attacks of opportunity made on someone acrobatics-ing through the area are made against them flat footed.

>that obscures everything, not just enemy vision
Sometimes you just want a smoke grenade. Fog cloud is a lot better, though, since it's not just right on top of yourself like a damn fool.

>>49558253
>that means no charging
It's a 10ft square, if you can't figure out how to get an enemy off of that I don't know how to help you.

>fog cloud is a lot better
And yet is subject to the exact same dispersion conditions as obscuring mist, i.e. you're the fucking GM, so make a few of the fights take place in windy locations (like literally anywhere during spring or fall, or within 50 miles of any coast).

You don't need to grant saving throws that essentially give immunity on-success when something like the weather can negate the purpose of a spell.
One of my houserules? Grease doesn't work so well on porous surfaces, like dirt, pumice, or beaches, and dissipates after 1 round if there is heavy water flow (like torrential rain), or 1 minute if there is light water flow (like an afternoon storm in the mountains).

>>49558055
I'm not entirely sure why you're adamant about something you think doesn't do much.

Also to respond to your points:

Moving half speed suchs.

Rule is magic, for that creature the mist is just not there.

Too bad

Sure, but it matters for the levels where you actually have that stupid spell

Yeah, seems a little redundant.

Anyway, its no extra work for me, rolling another save. I've been running this miserable system long enough that an extra save on some spells is really not going to slow down my encounter turns in the least.

If you'd prefer, I could just change the rule to no spells with a duration that aren't buff spells.

>>49558055
>>49558253
>>49558332
You are forgetting grease can also force people to make a reflex save or drop an item.
Oh big nasty mcguffin? I hope you don't drop it.
Metamagic wand? Magic Sword? ect.

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>told to be GM that I'm going to be running a magus
>Build character, even do a quick combat run while we were waiting for players in a different game that some of the next games players were in
>Fiddle with it and update him when I do
>Look up other classes since it's been like 3-4 weeks, we're going to be starting like next week
>suddenly don't want to play a magus at all
>actually don't want to play any kind of martial character
Help me.