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>>49544763
>wanting a furbait OP again
You're an enabler

>>49544731
Has anyone run Curse of the Crimson Throne? I would like to get an impression of it before I buy the new PF update for it.

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>>49544768
>posting lizard in OP

I get it, so this is a scalies thread then?

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>>49544763
Except it's OP still a wizard and threads.

This is still miles better than fetishbait thread.

>>49544770
Is that one of their APs from back in their 3.5 3pp material days?
'Cause those were the only decent APs they released.

>>49544731
>>49544778
>>>49543363
>Look at monk with combat maneuvers.
>>"A monk may substitutedisarm,sunder, andtripcombat maneuversfor unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows."
>>web attack: blablabla rulestext. "A (monstername) may substitute any of its natural weapon attacks with this ability "
>Alternately.
>>web attack: blablabla rulestext. " this ability counts as a natural weapon for the purposes of being incorporated into part of a full attack action."
>Depending on what exactly you're trying to accomplish.

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>>49544777
Yeah, actual ones, none of that half-assed weeb crap.

>>49544810
That guy looks one suit of armor and a plasma gun shy of being in XCOM 2.

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>>49544810
whatever, as long as we're fetishposting then its all good

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aGtlTfXGxXZGiQA0Ls3UOnVFgoE8NW1ll1ZuIHXwg_Y/edit?usp=sharing

I remember somebody wanted a vigilante archetype that was LIKE the zealot, but instead of grabbing inquisitor stuff, it nabbed Oracle stuff. Well, I homebrewed it.

I probably need a better name for it though. Sicarius was just the catchiest name that came to mind.

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>>49544822
Snek is best XCOM operative.

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>>49544823

Well this thread is off to a great start.

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>>49544731

Gnolls are fun when I need a race of complete assholes who laugh at other people's misery.

>>49544874

We've had worse. Much worse.

>>49544884
I think gnolls make a great replacement for the "orc bandits attack you" and have a bit more unique flavor to them

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>>49544731
>What non-standard races do you use instead of the core ones?
I'm currently running a homebrew silk road setting...

>Far North
-- The Arakh (homebrew), based on the Mongol Hordes, mostly human but hairier and burlier, right now just statted as half orcs
-- White elves (homebrew), arctic elves flavoured by Inuit culture, inspired by the Tiste Edur from Malazan, not sure how to stat yet
-- Motherfucking yeti

>Midlands
Variety of feudal Japanese and Romance of Three Kingdoms. The usual humans, elves, dwarves, etc.
-- Fetchlings/kayyal -- A military creation from spirit/shadow realm fuckery
-- Yes there are kitsune but they're rare and reclusive.

>The south
-- Wealthy drow empires in the swamps and rainforests. While they're still assholes they actually have a shaky relationship with the other humanoid clans
-- Vanara deep in the forests, very reclusive

>The far south
Englightenment Arabia type shit, noteworthy are Samsarans who pop up once in a while and are generally revered

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While we're on the topic of people having done adventure paths, anyone started running Strange Aeons?
A friend keeps saying he's gonna run it and I'm kinda like "eh"

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Asking again for advice on Ecclesitheurge Cleric/Sacred Fist Warpriest multiclassing.

>>49544770

It's a good one. Not sure what Paizo's charging for their super-special updated version, though, so I can't say whether it's a good deal.

>>49544941
$60, $31.50 for the PDF.

>>49544805
Thanks, I ended up with something similar myself. Ive now changed it to be closer to the monk's wording.
I wish when they made the move from 3.5 to Pathfinder they had normalized all the wording and had standard text I could lift for everything. I wish every game had wording as robust as MTG.

>>49544731
Grippli are literally the best race. Why would you play anything else?

>>49544731
I very much enjoy Fetchlings, Grippli, and Skinwalkers.

An anon from a previous /pfg/ described the first book of the Wrath of the Righteous AP as being especially cringey. As someone who may be playing in that AP in the future, could anyone elaborate on what that anon might have been talking about?

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>>49544731
Kitsune of course.

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Hey there, /pfg/

Can I get some more input and criticisms for my homebrew class? I'd gladly appreciate it.

Its an offense/support class based loosely on the Tactician and the Vitalist with a flavor of warlock.

His main draw is his ability to deal damage , debuff and deliver support buffs all in one turn.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xQMlB45-UFEWCB2ffqoBUMhR-t4afSXLk29fgTJNVyw/edit

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>>49544731
I use the ones from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, with some modifications for PF use.

It takes place in not!Greece, so there's going to be Planetouched running around because of all the harems the god-kings kept.

Drow are still kill-on-sight if discovered. Dhampir might be tolerated.

>>49544884
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>>49545039
All this great taste

>>49544731
>What non-standard races do you use instead of the core ones?

These are human offshoot races:

Gugir, which are what would occur if you made humans aquatic. large and blubbery like a manatee, grey skinned with many folds. Nearly no nose, and instead prehensile nostrils they can open and close. Large eyes with black irises, making them sun sensitive, and a second set of eyelids to close over them when underwater. No ears, just holes in the side of their head which are also closeable. On their arms are large fleshy flaps that are fairly rigid and used for movement in the water, and their feet are longer and flattened.

Shetou are taller and more lithe than humans, base humans describing them as "skeletal". Their originally developed and lived in caves. Their eyes are beady and also light sensitive. They have no lower jaw, instead a single massive tongue that hangs heavily downwards (making them prone to dehydration in hot climates). Their speaking patterns are warped due to an inability to use a lower jaw.

>>49545257
Daomu Zhe are the most common of the human offshoots. From birth they begin developing scar tissue on the top of their skin, which builds up over time. The top of which calcifies into numerous hard plates covering the body. They can't sit still for too long because the plates will begin to grow together, this will happen if a Daomu is bed ridden. They also shed hair, teeth, and nails constantly, and are normally nearly bald except for hair coming out of their oversized ears (one of the few things that don't scar as badly). They have roughly the same physique as humans but are often perceived as shorter due to having a hunched look because of their plating giving them a bulbous back.

Xingxing are the last one. Take a human, make it stout and pot bellied (essentially giving a human the shape of an orangutan). Give a set of long muscular arms, each with a second set of elbows allowing for better movement (these joints are all double jointed with free movement). Their faces are much more ape like than normal humans, with large lips and flattened nose. Xingxing are often employed as engineers due to the fact their arms can easily reach into holes normal humans could not reach at all.

>>49544731
Hobgoblins, goblins, gnolls, lizardfolk, fauns, githyanki, githzerai. Genasi and aasimar/tieflings see frequent usage too. Sometimes custom minotaur writeups and orc writeups as well.

>>49544777
Technically not a rules violation!

>>49545279
Of the core races, i often keep humans and elves, and thats it.

>>49545279
>>49545303
And for more weird stuff, im somewhat flexible.

Awakened animals and sapient golems have seen play, as have some intelligent undead, and outsiders, so long as they fit the setting (so no kitsune if I'm running a western Europe setting, and no valkyries in a silk road campaign) .

>>49545352

>No valkyries in a silk road campaign
>Not wanting to go on a journey to study Kung Fu and learn even more ways to kick the shit out of people

Missed opportunity, anon.

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>>49545352
You've never played Valkyrie Profile, have you?

>>49544884
>Gnolls are fun when I need a race of complete assholes who laugh at other people's misery.
Some of the best fun I've had with gnolls have actually been with the 5e version. They have an ability that allows them to move and make a bite after downing a target, but I used it to accentuate their cruelty and love of attacking a weakened foe by having them just use their attack to savage whatever they dropped to trigger the ability. Scared the shit out of my players, too, the first time one of them got dropped, then immediately took two failed death saves from the free bite. He survived, but they definitely approached those fights more cautiously from then on.

But yeah, gnolls have always been a favorite of mine, regardless of edition.

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>>49545352
>Awakened animals and sapient golems have seen play, as have some intelligent undead, and outsiders, so long as they fit the setting

I've seen this anime before. And I loved every second of it.

>>49545567
I tried watching that, but it lost my attention in episode like... three or something when they spent like a million years going on about politics and some girl that was raised as a guy or something.

Anyone got any ideas for archetypes or subsystems I could homebrew? I've already done a spontaneous Warpriest, a Charisma-based Inquisitor, an initiating Slayer, and am working on an Oracle-Vigilante hybrid class that might get a few more goodies.

My Big Book of Brew is below.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ujyBSD5vdAobQlyUYrFh5Ku6199-H9na_cRj_NHBag/edit

>>49545604
Non-shitty gunslinger

>>49545633

I'll consider it. You might get an initiating Gunslinger archetype too.

>>49545604
Martial artist ranger archetype.
Ranger archetype that trades casting for full progression initiating.

A series of archetypes focused on making ability damage and restoration into a regularly accessible submeta.

Universally accessible eidolons.

Eidolon type build rules for familiars, improved familiars, and animal companions.

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>>49545567
>fellow horizonbro

Muh nigga!

>>49545699
>Ranger archetype that trades casting for full progression initiating.
Already a thing.

>Universally accessible eidolons.
Kek. No.

>Eidolon type build rules for familiars, improved familiars, and animal companions.
mite b cool

>>49545604
Druid or Ranger that can wildshape at-will, using the wizard's familiar list instead of the usual wildshape list.

I just want to be able to shapeshift into woodland critters whenever I want instead of that crappy X/day option.

>>49545726
Im actually working on something similar to the third. Might take a note from Eidolons and build it around that, but less "conjured outsider" and more "unique horse"
>>49545779
Hrm. This is a neat idea. I'll probably make a variation of this archetype for Hunter, Ranger, and Druid.

>>49545714
I've seen this image a few times, and I'm looking for new stuff to watch. I'm also lazy, and prefer talking to people over searching for shit.

What's the premise? Is it any good?

>>49545903
Yeah, its pretty great. Good action scenes, a complicated lore and a decent worldbuilding and premise. Too much politics for some, too much absurdity for others. But still a fun ride.

>>49545957
Yeah, I lost interest in it.

It had all these fun characters with good action, then it all slowed down and got dramatic and slow and political and I just couldn't bring myself to give a damn.

>>49544923
Having read the first book in preparation, they do an OK enough job of making things spooky, with some of it actually playing on player meta-knowledge. Of course, it can also turn into narm really easily, but I think we all knew that going in to this. My group is actually making characters to fit the theme for the most part, so I'm kinda hyped to run once we get our schedules figured out. I've yet to see if book 2 shits the bed or not, though.

>>49545604
Archetype for the Cavalier that gives them an eidolon as a mount.

>>4954532
You know there's fox wife shit in Europe too, right? Not as big a deal but it's around.

>>49545352
goddamnit, eurokitsune post meant to go there. welp i'm shit at 4chan time to go kill myself

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>>49546094
Happens to the best of us, chum.

so someone was posting a hyper optimized fighter a few days ago, how did that fighter go? Like, how good was it?

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>tfw MCArchetypes is dead and now I've lost that Cavalier-Oracle archetype I really wanted to play

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moth

>>49546584
Something about this design really bugs me

>>49546584
Are male moths called faths?

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Do we have Divine Anthology yet? Because I just bought it on a whim. Probably not going to post the whole thing (too much trouble), but if anyone interest, I can post a few pages.

>>49544731
quit posting your fetish

>>49546758
Can you post the Cleric archetype?

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>>49546808
Sure. I haven't read through it yet though, hopefully this is the right one?

>>49546857

>To retain her spellcasting, the Cleric must perform her deific obedience every day

Depending on who they worship, this could be very complicated, very expensive, or VERY lewd.

>>49546758
Is there anything on Irori?

So apparently Starfinder is going to be closed beta only, to help reduce backlash and bad press from public testers.

>>49547777
It's very unlikely that's the reason, but quad 7's so it must be true.

>>49547788
Something that lucky can only be the truth.

>>49547843
A 2 second google search found the real answer, but it must be a lie.

>>49546857
But man
Lot of those obediences fucking suck
They are overly complicated and detailed

>>49547896
>They are overly complicated and detailed

That's why you pick the ones that are easy, like reciting a verse during your morning rituals, or fucking a party member while praising their rock hard abs or nice butt.

>>49547777
Maybe if Paizo didn't consistently ignore their playtesters, they wouldn't get bad press for their playtesting.

>>49547902
>Okay now uh, next scream "oh gods no please don't come inside"
>WAIT WHAT
>Come on, I NEED my spells today, hurry, I'm getting close!
>YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
>I'll cast abort on you I swear!
>I KNOW DAMN WELL YOUR GODDESS DISAPPROVES OF THAT!
>*AHEM*. NOT, AT THE DINNER TABLE, YOU TWO.

>>49546758
Spell and or spellbooks plz?

>>49547906
It's the same criticism 5e got. They never ignored their playtesters, they just didn't listen to the stupid ones.

>>49547959
>Gunslinger
>Kineticist
>Kineticist archetypes
>The everything-cut-out medium spirits

You sure they listened to anything BUT the stupid ones?

>>49547969
Yes.

Gunslinger is like a barbarian with a slightly higher hit-chance and significantly lower damage. The only complaint is that firearms aren't medieval enough.

So what was best content in horror adventures?

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>>49547681
He got some bardic masterpiece

>>49547955
how about no? that's like 3-4 pages not counting some spell that is scatter around the book. I haven't even read through the freaking thing yet.

>>49548019
Dread Lord.

>>49546758
Can you post the divine weapon techniques?

>>49548019
The sidebar making alignment wholly irrelevant by RAW as well as sane GMing.

>>49547955
Is there any 1st level wizard spells?

>>49548084
>not enjoying alignment
It is half the fun of DnD and its derivatives

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>>49547777

Nuts. I was hoping I could get an early look at it, see what kind of direction it's taking.

Oh well. Guess I'll just wait until next year.

>>49548084
Pic?

>>49547920

It must be very stressful having to perform Lamashtu's deific obedience.

Wait, if you get knocked up as a Lamashtu worshiper, are you "completing" the obedience every day, or do you have to do the alternative obedience?

How to build Thor that functions at levels 1-5? Emulating anyone is ez when you can pile on magic items, but I want a character that plays like the god of thunder on his own.

>>49548019

The various Old Ones you could worship were really neat.

>>49548416

Is 3pp allowed? Because Thor needs to be a Warlord with Primal Fury and Elemental Flux.

>>49548440
No, but the DM let's us to any optional rules that are in core, everybody has multiple background skills per level and multiple traits at creation and so on.

>GM wants to translate 3.5 game to PF using 1pp only and trying to be 100% faithful

>>49548458
Neither background skills nor traits are core.

>>49548416
Define "functions", because you can just be a cleric with weather and battle domains, and mix strength and wisdom ignoring charisma so you're not so MAD. Its not /good/ but it's probably as close as you can get.

>>49548413
Given it's Lamashtu, probably whatever the worst and/or most disgusting answer is.

Chances are you just keep getting more and more and more knocked up with little care as to what happens to you, but full protection given to the mutated monster freakshows housing themselves in your corrupt gestation pod.

>>49548486
I don't know what you mean when you say "core" and how it differs from when I say it, but it's always meant "the real game" to me, so anything published by paizo.

>>49546758
Why is uploading the whole PDF more trouble than screenshotting, cropping and saving individual bits and bobs then uploading them one at a time? If you've got it, you might as well upload it to mega or something.

>>49544929

I've tried making an Ecclesitheurge with a Monk dip as a replacement for Sacred Fist, but I don't see MCing the two being any good

>>49548482
that's literally impossible.
many 1pp things are only found in 3pp here, including psionics.

and many things that HAVE been ported over were utterly butchered; from monks and fighters to ... uh... can we still call it butchered all those buffs they did to the full casters? I mean it's still butchery on balance right?

lot of feats became feat chains too, etc...

>>49548502
Core means corebook. 1pp means paizo-material.

>>49548507

As I understand it, people tend to feel iffy about uploading pdfs that haven't been cleaned.

>>49548515
Yeah, I know, I "need" to translate my old Decisve strike Monk2/Psywar12 tashalatorra character and it's impossible, GM is still sperging I'm not trying hard.

>Can I use ultimate psionics?
>Not Paizo so no
Like...like is he retard? I mean, I asked him politely if he understands what he's asking, but he acts like I'm the retard one

>>49548493

That sounds very prohibitive to adventuring, even if you're fucking things with small kids like wolves you're eventually going to reach critical mass by the end of the week, and that's assuming you *don't* have a litter.

I'm assuming you get knocked up and then insist every future encounter finishes inside; you aren't going to get pregnant, but it's the thought that counts.

Actually this is all confusing me, does anyone have a profile on the Paizo forums? Might have to ask how the Lamashtu obedience works.

Wait a second, hold up; the deific obedience has you torture a creature to death, rip out a bone and scar yourself with it. The demonic obedience is impregnation, however an alternative is killing a creature that hasn't been alive for more than a week...

... Are you telling me you could have a litter, butcher them over the course of a week, and get knocked up by the end of it and that all still works for Lamashtu? What the fuck.

>>49548544
And lets not forget I have karmic strike, double hit, deft opportunist, superior unarmed strike, imp natural strike, etc.

>>49548571

>What the fuck

That's pretty much SOP for Lamashtu, paisan.

>>49548544
He is purposefully trolling you.
>You need to translate your character directly
>Okay but the psywar class is over in this book
>You can't use that book
>But that's exactly where that class is
>No its not you just suck go find it in the paizo core

He's deliberately trolling and fucking with you.

Hit him with the book until DSP and Paizo look like they're roughly the same number and placement of letters.

That is to say, use the corner of the hardcover and don't stop bashing it into his temples until he's permanently blind.

Oh, and then quit his game after.

>>49546758
Any stuff for Paladins, Oracles or Sarenrae would be awesome. I'm planning a future character and all would be handy to have.

>>49548571
Lamashtu doesn't WANT OR CARE about what you want of an adventuring life.

Bitch broodqueen wants you on your back, getting fucked by chaos spawn and tenatacle beast, for the simple purpose of spawning more and more of them, and the more mutated and fucked up the better.

Lamasthu doesn't like you or anyone.

Did you think she was the goddess of love and adventurers or something?

Lamashtu wants you dying of too many chestbursters.

That's all she cares about. Maximum monster spawns.

>>49548571
Just breed gravity slimes inside you. It's a win-win.

>>49548649
Yeah, more or less, Lamashtu is not something a player that's not deep into some nasty as fuck magical realm should be worshiping.

Lamashtu is like Dagonite cults: They're there to fuck hideous mutated monster babies into people too drugged up, unconscious, tied up or zealously brainwashed to care that they're going to be eaten from the inside out or raped pregnant with an elephant by their own newborns, until the party finds out what's been happening and glasses the fucking surface of what used to be that unholy village.

Worshipers of Lamashtu don't go hunting dragons. You want to play an evil follower of an evil god, follow Lord Megatron or something sensible that works with the travel and fighting stuff.

Can you stack archetypes if they do the same thing to a skill?

Example, a lot of Paladin's archetypes have you getting a fuckton less smite evil uses per day. Can you pick up say Sacred Servant and Hospitaler?

>>49548544
So you can use what, Pathfinder 1pp and then Dragon Magazine/Dragon Compendium content? That's hilarious.

>>49548756
Nope, because fuck you. Even if two separate archetypes add skills you still can't stack them because they're both altering the same ability.

>>49548756
You cannot stack archetypes that modify the same thing, even where it might be obvious what should happen if you do.

>>49548756
Talk to your DM about making a house rule for it.

Maybe he'll let you build a sort of custom archetype of the two where you have to pick one or the other if it modifies the same class feature. If two alternate features modify the same thing, you have to choose one or the other, and elsewise you get the other skills. That way you don't end up getting 17 class features in one level due to stacking.

Alternatively, if an archetype does away with a class feature like spell-casting, and another modifies spell-casting, perhaps he'd let you stack those with the caveat that the trait that modifies spells just doesn't exist because you don't have spells to start with.

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>>49548785
You can stack them if they both alter it, you just can't stack if they both replace the same feature.

>>49548783
>>49548785
>What exactly counts as altering a class feature for the purpose of stacking archetypes?

>In general, if a class feature grants multiple subfeatures, it’s OK to take two archetypes that only change two separate subfeatures. This includes two bard archetypes that alter or replace different bardic performances (even though bardic performance is technically a single class feature) or two fighter archetypes that replace the weapon training gained at different levels (sometimes referred to as “weapon training I, II, III, or IV”) even though those all fall under the class feature weapon training.
>However, if something alters the way the parent class feature works, such as a mime archetype that makes all bardic performances completely silent, with only visual components instead of auditory, you can’t take that archetype with an archetype that alters or replaces any of the sub-features.

Basically, use reason.

>>49548482
>>49548515
>>49548544
>>49548575
>>49548617
I dislike translations so much, they're never going to be accurate and always someone is going to end better or worse than before, and someone is going to get salty about it
>You couldn't do that before
>Now your char is better than mine at my job
>Well, if he's better I'm going to improve mine too
And my all time fav
>You're doing that on purpose to get better
>I couldn't find anything more faithful, but ok, show me how you'll do it
>No

>>49548842
Not by RAW you can't. If two archetypes touch the same feature in any way or form, they don't stack. This is why DSP had to add specific exception for class skills when all they really wanted was to make sure everyone has their discipline skills as class skills.

>>49548741

Let's not forget Lamashtu doesn't even care if you *survive* the ritual. Get your insides ruptured by a demon horse? Too bad, you're clearly not strong enough to be a broodmother. Survive the encounter but it's clearly fucked up your bits? Well sorry little miss Molly, but you're just gonna have to carry on living to carry to term, even if your life up until the kids are viable is pure agony.

The only time you should be involved with Lamashtu is if it's part of your past; maybe you were a baby factory that got away, maybe you did some terrible shit as a midwife, maybe you were just raised into it and got away before you were fertile.

Are there any other evil gods that don't actually work for PC worship? I recall there was some demon lord that had a very complex "impale them on a stalactite" obedience.

>>49548891
You can think that, you'd just be wrong. >>49548869 is from an FAQ post about it. As long as they interact reasonably, you can stack them.

>>49548493
>49548493
> but full protection given to the mutated monster freakshows housing themselves in your corrupt gestation pod.
Actually I think it's canon that Lasmashtu actually gives a shit about her followers, if only so they can spawn and raise more powerful spawn.

>>49548905
In the example, I'm counting each subfeature as a separate class feature.

>>49548893
Far as she's concerned, life begins at conception and ends (or at least stops mattering in any meaningful fashion) at birth.

Basically the same as all the pro-life groups who push so hard against contraception and even against prenatal care, and then slash budgets for infant care and early education out.

>>49548917
Why.

>>49548908
opposite.
>Such births cause severe damage to the host.

You can always find (willingly or not) more fuckholes to knock up, so the hosts do not matter.

>>49548741
>>49548893
Except your making a lot of assumptions here.

A PC can easily survive whatever monstrosity they give birth, to mention the PC could be male.


You're basically complaining that a Chaotic Evil god is Chaotic Evil. Dying in a Lamashtan birth ritual is like killing an Orpahn as Genric LG God worshiper #69. It's you fucking up.
>>49548939
Lamashtan's LIKE the idea of their births fucking them up.

Those are battle scars to them.
>>49548925
Wrong
>I will bring the outcasts in from the cold and teach them the taste of victory.
>I will spread the Mother’s seed. If the blind cannot be taught to see, their children can.

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So I'm hopefully joining a pathfinder group in about two weeks, problem is I've never played pathfinder before. I have some experience with D&D and the lore, I'm just not sure how much of it converts to pathfinder.
The Gm impressed the importance of backstory so I'm trying to do my research. So now some questions:
What books describe the setting/areas well as well as deities and such? the pastebin trove is pretty daunting I'll admit
Are Orcs inherently evil in pathfinder? I've heard the paladin VS orc baby trap a hundred times. is it up to GM more or less?

I'm planning on building a half orc bard with decent melee ability, am I on the right track or should I scrap it?

>>49548937
Makes more sense to me. So if, for example, you have two archetypes that modify inspire courage, they don't stack.

>>49548980
>Are Orcs inherently evil in pathfinder?

Technically no, practically yes, the vast majority of Orcs are hardcore rape monsters with an extra serving of rape.

That said, there are very rare occasions where you find an Orc that's neutral or even good, these ones often marry barbarian human women.

>>49548955
>A PC can easily survive whatever monstrosity they give birth

Depends on the monster and depends on the PC. A level 15 Warder can take a minotaur and carry the kid to term like a champ, a level 1 Witch can not.

>>49548988
Inspire courage is a sub feature.
If you have an archetype that alters inspire courage, you can still alter bardic performance with something else.

>>49548999
Half-Orcs, like humans, run the gamut.

Orcs are generally evil, but there are some(count 1 and he's a background character) that are Good.

>>49548955
Males are harmed far more, and male PCs get knocked up by lamashtu rituals just the same.

This is flat out stated in places like, say, the pathfinder wiki's entry on lamashtu.

I'm not "assuming", the "Mother of Monsters" is a Demon Lord turned goddess on the motherfucking subject.

Anon was complaining that being perma-knocked-up would interfere with adventuring.

WELL YES. YES IT WOULD. OF COURSE IT FUCKING WILL. You can't just wave that off with "but you're doing it wrong you should be strong enough to survive".

Stupid question, and please amuse me. If a monk uses TWF feat with unarmed strikes, does the off hand attack adds full Str of half Str?

>>49549015
And? Isn't that exactly what I just said?

My group just finished Book 1 of Burnt Offerings for RotRL. We stopped right after the fight with Naulia (She got away). Other then continue the dungeon exploration to find Malfeshnekor, what's some good ideas to put the players through during the transition to Book 2? I know before the session ended they were inclined to hunting her down.

>>49549027
>Males are harmed far more, and male PCs get knocked up by lamashtu rituals just the same.
Not they do not. There's nothing that implies that male PC's get imprenated during the ritual you dipshit.

>>49548999
>>49549026
So orcs mostly evil with exceptions. Is it pretty special snowflake to see a full blood orc living in a reasonable sized human settlement?

>>49549053
>what's some good ideas to put the players through during the transition to Book 2? I know before the session ended they were inclined to hunting her down.

Hunt her down.

>>49549058
>Is it pretty special snowflake to see a full blood orc living in a reasonable sized human settlement?

Incredibly special snowflake, the only known "good" orc was a nameless figure for the background of a very poorly realized half-orc Paladin written by AMBER SCOTT.

>>49549083
okay, the backstory I'm thinking of is something like this. (Half Orc melee bard btw)
>Human mother Orc Dad (Non rape baby)
>Papa Orc teaches PC or Mother Orc battle ballads before leaving or driven out of town
>PC grows up in a decent sized human settlement
>Uses bard skills to get by, make money and so on
>teaches/performs these Orc songs to other half Orcs, as a source of income bolsters pride in Orc heritage
>maybe Half Orcs get a little too pridefull and cause trouble, maybe riot.
>PC is kicked outta town like dad for causing trouble

Im trying to make a new character, one who's basicly faked his entire way through wizardhood using a spellbook (a book with loads of pages of scrolls) and seemingly casting cantrips whenever (probably a robe that lets you cast any cantrip at-will)

Problem is that any class that i can find that would be able to fill up the book with scrolls cost-efficiently/actually use those scrolls can also cast spells. The keymark of the character being that he cant cast spells.

help.

>>49549058
Aren't PF orcs just like Warcraft orcs, AKA primitive "noble savage" race?

>>49549042
Half Str on off hand attacks.

>>49549188

No.

No no no no no.

They're incredibly violent and rape-y, probably worse than the ones that worship Gruumash in other settings.

>>49549188
that's what I started with yeah, though the noble savage applies to half orcs more I feel?
I'm trying to fill in backstory so I want to find out how the PCs parents might come together.

>>49549042
>uses TWF feat with unarmed strikes
Can you even do this? Unarmed strike is just the same weapon isn't it? I thought FoB was literally just TWF for unarmed.

>>49549181
>Problem is that any class that i can find that would be able to fill up the book with scrolls cost-efficiently/actually use those scrolls can also cast spells. The keymark of the character being that he cant cast spells.

If you want a magically refreshing book so bad, why not play an Inquisitor (Living Grimoire?)

>>49549188
Usually less intelligent too.

>>49549055
>Some sects, including the one in the city of Katapesh, have developed the means to supernaturally impregnate humanoids, both men and women, with children of Lamashtu

>>49549207
Oh shit, I been GMing them wrong.

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>>49549228

>Immaculate conception with Monster Jesus

>>49549217
the TWF feat specifically mentions unarmed strikes in it as light weapons compatible with the feat, so yes.

>>49549217
It is, but imagine I don't have FoB beause archetype but I have TWF chain because I picked those feats

>>49548511
Yeah, thought I'd double up on Domains and Blessings but Monk is probably the better way to go. Any specific archetypes I should look to? Is two levels a good enough dip (I can just balance the loss in CL with Magical Knack)?

>>49549240

>Monster Jesus
>Conceived via dark ritual by Lamashtan cultists
>Is born into the world an unnatural, loathsome beast
>Grows up to be a really nice guy who thinks people should be kind and love one another

>>49549228
>Some sects
>implying not all
>obedience says you can also just impregnate someone else, meaning hooker with holes poked in condom also work.

>>49549261
That actually isn't specifically about two unarmed strikes. You were always able to use TWF to attack with a manufactured weapon in one hand and an unarmed strike as the other weapon. That's what WotC's stance on it was when they were being shitters about monk TWF.

I think Paizo goes the other way anyway though: you CAN TWF two unarmed strikes.

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>>49549292

>You can just impregnate someone else

Does this mean, if you're the village herbalist, you could fulfill this obedience by tampering your supplies of Night Tea?

>>49549058
Yes that would be very special snowflake. As for a half-orc bard idea, consider the Skald, which is 1pp. Depending on how much your DM is willing to divulge in advance, your motivation for the party may be as simple as having a mutual foe.

>>49549292
if you gotta do that every day you're going to have a problem.

not enough whores, especially when you consider than not all whores are fertile every day.

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>>49549344
>>49549058

>mfw our half-Orc Skald became a famous author of penny dreadfuls and trashy romance novels featuring "the raunchy true stories of a half-orc embroiled in passion and politics."

>>49549324
I'll look for it, but I remember reading in the FAQ (which I have the recopilation of all of them) that you could use TWF with unarmed strikes as a monk, and as a monk you deal full STR, you also could mix TWF and FoB to get one extra attack (or two if you had Imp TWF, three with greater TWF) with the -2 to all attacks.

>>49549324
In 3.0 you couldn't, in 3.5 you could.

Can a gunslinger ever shine in a party with a Magus, Alchemist, Inquisitor and Wizard?

>>49549363
Probly a stupid question: would you use profession: writer for that?

>>49549384
Found it
>Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her penalties on attack rolls?
>A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for twoweapon fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows.
So no, PF didn't help, they say fuck you if you try to mix them.

>>49549426
Isn't trading extra attacks for penalty to hit pretty standard?

>>49549425

If I recall, he used Linguistics and Profession, yeah.

>>49549446
Yes, kinda, depends.
The thing is monks could use both twf and fob in 3.5 at the same time (though you get penalties from both) unlike the other anon said.

>>49549426
Exception: If you are using a monk weapon, you can use flurry of blows with it and open hand attacks at the same time, but not gain TWF bonuses.

And why aren't you using Unchained monk? Considering their flurry does not penalize their attack bonus, you could use TWF and FOB and only suffer a -2 attack penalty with a Full BAB.

>>49549500
>And why aren't you using Unchained monk?
Because I'm thinking on going MoMS/HG/Q monk

>>49549425
>>49549463
Background skill: Artistry

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>>49544731
Hello /pfg/. I'd like to chastise Paizo for their ridiculous subtype bloat. The way they handle foreign cultures reminds me of White Wolf in the 90s. Oh, a fantasy culture loosely based on a real non-white culture needs demons? No, we can't just reflavor the existing demons! Let's invent an entirely new group of ethnic-themed demons with no relation to those other demons. That totes makes sense and isn't disgustingly racist, am I right?

>>49549500
>Exception: If you are using a monk weapon, you can use flurry of blows with it and open hand attacks at the same time, but not gain TWF bonuses.
Where does it say that? I'm looking at the FAQs and I find no such a thing

>>49549519
>MoMS
Then you don't get flurry anyways.

>>49549553
So you would combine all 3? Do you get bonuses for that? Hash it out with your gm?
I'm a big fan of craft/creation skills for downtime income

>>49549645
I'm not the anon who brought the TWF+FoB, I'm the original poster>>49549042

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>>49549671
>I'm a big fan of craft/creation skills for downtime income

Why not make illuminated texts? Profession: Writer for the content, Craft: Calligraphy for the fancy illustrations/styling, and Linguistics for the grammar and vocabulary?

>>49549671
I don't think profession is required
Linquistics is only required if you want to start translating the books to elves...
I guess few ranks in linquistics so you can translate it to most popular human tongues

>>49549621

Considering Paizo took a lot of the non-ethnic demon descriptions straight from the 3.x Monster Manual, stealing descriptions of demons from other cultures may have more to do with abject laziness than clumsy racism.

Not to say they don't have problems with that as well, though. They do some stuff now and again that makes me wonder.

>>49549742
>>49549758
Do you need linquistics if you speak the language?
If you start knowing say common and draconian can you write texts in those no problem? Or is writing separated from speaking by liquistics?

>>49549836
If you know a language, you can speak it and write it.
you do not need linguistics then

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No Horror Adventures in the trove yet or am I retarded?

>>49549870
aight thanks

>>49549894
Has the trove even updated in months? I gave stuff in June that isn't there.

>>49549870
Always a need for cunning linguistics, my man.

>>49549949
That's just Asmodeus in Holomog then.

>>49549949

Crystal Frasier pls go.

>>49549949
>>49549980

Still blows my mind that someone got that past an editor.

>>49549995

I'm 85% sure the editor was told to "leave Holomog alone" and just let Crystal do her thing.

Transsexuals and people with heavily entrenched "SJW" views tend to be given a lot of slack in what they do over fear of upsetting them.

>>49549621
The ten or so different types of fiends are largely forgettable and interchangeable. They only ever do one of two things: destroy everything in sight or enjoy the simple pleasures in life.

Why do we need all these silly divisions? Isn't it enough to have demons and devils?

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>>49546808
>>49547681
>>49547955
>>49548073
>>49548507
>>49548625
I thought we had something special, /pfg/

>When your GM recommends you feats that go against your character concept and development

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>>49550032
Those fucking faces.

>>49550032
what she saw
was it haram?

>>49549949
>>49549980
>>49549995
>>49550023
Explain

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>>49550032
So starting off with the Nethys stuff, including a new spell. Also has an Iomedean Paladin front and center for some reason, despite her section being on the next page.

>>49550068

As I understand it, someone got the idea to let Asmodeus have a cult in Holomog, which is all about that there female empowerment. According to the Holomogians, Asmodeus is a woman, and they call him the "Cunning Linguist".

Ba-dum-tiss.

>>49548980
If they're running Golarion (PF's Forgotten Realms) then The Inner Sea World Guide goes fairly in depth on all the settings and deities.

Though, they really shouldn't be running on Golarion.

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>>49550084
New Paladin, this time trading out the ability to smite evil for the ability to smite Bards and Barbarians!

>>49550067

I think she worships Calistria, which includes hot sexy illustrations.

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>>49550117
I think Bravery at this point has enough feats and other add-ons that it can be considered a real class feature.

Really looking forward to coming from 5e to Pathfinder but one thing I'm super confused about when it comes to the classes/combat in PF. Is it mostly just going "I attack" using your weapons for most of the early levels? I'm only seeing stuff like Wizard that has things like cantrips to use from the get go. Most of the classes I like, like Cleric don't have anything to really fight with at first since there's useless shit that you need later like "Script"

>>49550104
Cunning Orator, actually.

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>>49550032

>>49550033
Nice tripple dubs
Also
>When the GM builds in his head a completely different idea of how your character should be
For the 10th time, no, I'm not going to fucking start using 2hd weapons and pick those 2hd weapon feats now, I'm a fucking dex magus with str 13 and dervish dancer, I'm not going to use a reach 2hd Str only weapon neither use your stupid feats.

>>49550150
Is that Sajan with an armor? like wtf?

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>>49550150
The Jalmeray trait looks pretty handy, particularly since it's "added to" and doesn't replace your Dex for initiative checks.

Also, how does Diverse Obedience work?

>>49550195

Sajan has been getting blacker with each book.

>>49550218
It's envy, he's still a CBR monk.

>>49550033
>>49550182
>the GM gets upset nobody uses the "super cool sword" he gives when nobody can use it due to being unarmed/locked to a specific type of weapon/being finesse/being a caster.
>he asks "how expensive of an item would i have to give to make you guys change your build"

>>49550150
>Undaunted Bravery
Literally worse than Skill Focus: Intimidate.

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>>49550200
So the idea here is kind of interesting, too bad it will never be expanded beyond this book.

RIP meditation feats.

>>49550151
>Is it mostly just going "I attack" using your weapons for most of the early levels?

Depending on class/build, that may be your gameplan for the entire game.

Welcome to PF.

/pfg/ recommends third party splatbooks to fix this issue, mostly DSP's Path of War series, Psionics and possibly Spheres of Power. Good luck talking your DM into allowing them if he hasn't already though.

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>>49550227

>mfw I want the super cool sword

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>>49550231
Oh I didn't say "good" class feature, I said "real" class feature.

>>49550232
Part of this page got posted already, but here's the rest of it.

>>49550245
Thanks I'll have to check these books out and talk with my DM.

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>>49550256
Some traits and paladin codes for random non-major gods and empyreal lords. Which one is the one that makes you jerk off again?

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>>49550280
Man, there's a lot of Paladin stuff in this book compared to the norm. Got some rules on how to Vult as a Ragathiel follower now though, plus how to play as a Paladin of fluffy tails.

>>49550104
Wily Linguist, but close enough. Also they think s/he is LN.

>>49550249
Problem with random generated loot is you end up with weapon types that don't work with any of the party's capabilities surprisingly often.

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>>49550309
Many, they just keep going.

>>49550227
I had a similar experience with players, except I made sure people could use it.

>Give them greatclub which was +1 flaming frost corrosive shock, described it as an enormous torch whose flame would shift between elements

>>49550200
Divine Communion looks pretty good, especially with the versatility you can get out of it

>"Would my deity approve of me murdering this guy?"
>"Yes."
>"Okay, +6 on all attack rolls against him this round."

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>>49550323
Alright, finally something for someone besides Paladins. Apocryphal subdomains, or basically just new subdomains. Apocryphal makes it sound more interesting than it really is.

>>49550277
Protip: Don't go too hard if he resists. Balance/acceptability for third party products is often a touchy subject with a lot of 3.PF groups.

You can just ignore the more boring classes and have fun that way.

If he says "core only" though, consider the option of run the fuck away.

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>>49550341
Got to say, that guy has some rocking facial hair.

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>>49550354
And more subdomains, end of this section finally.

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>>49550362
Alright, divine fighting techniques. Big one is Desna which grants Cha to attack and damage with Starknives, plus 1d4 attacks as a full-round action. I guess that's good for something?

>>49550316
Which is part of why I went with a psudo-materia system myself. With a +1 being the basic unit, and requiring equivalent in price units be attached to activate the next up.

And taking a few minutes to prevent hot-swapping.

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>>49550374
And finally more divine fighting techniques. The Norgorber one actually looks very useful for Rogues, since that's Stealth as a swift action.

Alright, going to take a bit of time to clean up Planes of Power with this new thing I'm trying so I'll probably wait until the next thread.

>>49550374
>cha to attack and damage
>lore/lunar mystery cha to AC and Reflex
>Noble Scion (war) Cha to initiative
anything else I'm missing?

>>49550374
>Irori's initial benefit is taking -2 to attack to lower your damage by 0.5 per hit

Being a monk is suffering.

>>49550413
The old version of Steadfast Personality was straight "use Cha instead of Wis for Will saves", but right now it's only for mind-affecting effects. Negative Wis mods still apply for either version, though. Just not positive Wis mods.

>>49550425
>Advanced benefit
>you can now nerf your average damage for free!
>must crit with unarmed strikes to use the real benefit

This is sad.

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>>49550362
>Self-Realization Subdomain
>Grants Paragon Surge regardless of race

>>49550425
You know what's worse? It already exists in a better form. Look up "Measured Response".

>>49550200
>Divine Communion
Wow, that's really nice for clerics. 6 times per day you can add your Wisdom modifier to attack rolls, damage rolls, caster level checks, etc.

>>49550578
It's d20 rolls only, so no damage rolls.

>>49550309
>Shizuru
>The bonds of love extend across any distance, but I will not add to the burden by separating lovers.

So if you catch some criminal who is married, you couldn't arrest him or see him put in jail because that would separate him from his lover.

I guess your only other options would be to throw both of them in prison, or kill both of them.

>>49550652

Maybe the prison does conjugal visits?

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>>49550425
>>49550444
Why do they write traps like this?

>>49550817

Because Pathfinder apes the a lot of the same thought processes behind 3.0 and 3.5, for good or for ill.

>>49550817
One assumes that they're going on the belief that "reliable damage is better than being swingy, especially if you're using a wide-ranged weapon like a 1d12", forgetting the fact that most unarmed strikes never get that high to matter.

>>49550362
Rites looks kinda nifty.

>>49546114
pls respond, honestly I'm mostly concerned about the tripfag who apparently wrote it

>>49550838
>>49550817
DESU I'm 90% sure this is incompetence stemming from the fact that they are writing for quantity not quality.

For example, note how characters can give up class features to ignore prerequisites that they are going to have anyway if they want to use this fighting style. This makes no sense, _except_ if you want to add extra paragraphs.

>>49549621
I'm generally in favour of efficiency and the use of flavour to express differences over proven-workable templates, but I don't understand how it's racist to build them differently.

>>49546114
>>49550893

He was pretty good. Would be pretty damn unpleasant to fight.

Hey /tg/ I want to make a really creepy mute child like character but... Also not be worthless.

So I was thinking Halfling Witch with the doll eyes racial swap and maybe splurge on the child like feat?

I dunno anyone else have any else have a fun idea?

>>49550652

Name three villains who are married in the APs or have lovers.

>>49550394
>Urgathoa's Hunger
>Lasts one minute
>Spend a round just before a fight coup de gracing something
>Get a shitton of temp HP for the fight you're about to start

Why is this allowed?

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>>49550902
>DESU I'm 90% sure this is incompetence stemming from the fact that they are writing for quantity not quality.

This actually makes me angry. When I want good PF mechanics, I want to get them in the PF books I'm spending money on. When I just want a bunch of words a monkey typed onto a keyboard using his dick, I can simply come here and get them for free.

>>49550929
What about the tripfag?

>>49551094
It's actually one of the nicer interactions, Scythe being a x4 crit weapon.

Also nice if you get to do Castigate->CDG in combat.

>>49550854
Monk damage does get to 1d10 fast tho

>>49551020
Be a deaf oracle and just no speak as well since you can silence all spells for free. Add still so you're a creepy kid that it's makes magic happen. He'll be dual cursed and be blind too and communicate through a telepathic familiar.

>>49551104

Why is the anime girl so distressed?

>>49551165

>Deaf, dumb and blind child Oracle

Shouldn't he be a wizard, not an oracle?

>>49551131

DepressedHomebrewer? Seems like a decent guy, he's made some interesting stuff. Why do you ask?

>>49551104
Well mechanics is not everything
The "average damage" out of every strike is also very flavorful in the context of the faith.

>>49551229
But mechanically it shouldn't be punishing, especially if you're spending valuable resources on it. If you're going to lower you damage, don't make them lower their to hit as well.

>>49551207
Trip fags are mostly cancer.

>>49551280
No, not really.

>>49551020
I'm playing a similar character in my current game, a Haunted/Fractured Mind Spiritualist VMC Oracle with the Child Curse.

She doesn't speak every often (and thanks to psychic magic doesn't have to speak even when she casts spells). Her spirit buddy is a creepy-looking doll monster that feeds on her lifeforce to protect her.

>>49551164
Yeah, but that requires you to be a monk for that long.

>>49551167
She's from some porn game and the MC just gave her surprise buttsex.

>>49551299
well it is for monks and brawlers...

>>49551287
Well what kind of stuff has he made?

>>49551340
Fuck those guys.

>>49551340

People aren't able to comprehend going straight for a class, they've gotta dip and mix like a Texas queer.

>>49551324

That's cute, what porn game?

>>49551364
Oh shush.

>>49550032
Thank you!

>>49551364
I always go straight wizard. I just really like wizards.

>>49551364
>dip and mix like a Texas queer.

Hey now, I happen to be a Texas queer and I've never dipped nor mixed.

>advertise game
>say that resurrection is hard to impossible
>only resurrection spell is true resurrection
>planar travel also limited to impossible
>there are like less than 10 people on the planet capable of performing a true resurrection
>find players
>PC dies
>PCs apparently didn't read shit, freak the fuck out when I tell them resurrection is hard to impossible.

>>49551567

I take it you're looking for a new player?

Tell us more about the campaign and character creation, I like DMs that put rules like this down and stick to 'em!

>>49551567
Replace him with a new PC.

>>49551613
This is in a current home-brew campaign I'm running. Honestly I'm probably just shutting it down after how badly they reacted (things were going down hill, probably just cutting them off). I'm gonna be looking for a new group probably.

>>49551615
Nah, just gonna shut it down because all of them are shit heads.

>>49551674

Will you be advertising on Roll20, or here?

>>49551716
Not sure yet. I'll have to decide. Probably here.

Would anyone be interested in monster hunter monsters statted out for Pathfinder?

How do you feel about a player asking to take a level in a class secretly?

Here's the example I mean.

>Party has no real magic users, they're all SWORDS AND AXES and whatnot
>Since we're all good friends, I've adjusted the campaign to not require much magic
>Fighter wants to have his character get magical training in secret
>Wants to put a few of his upcoming levels into Wizard
>Party are usually pretty open with each other
>Tells me he wants to do this so his character could pretend he was a mage all along and wanted to trust them first

I'm okay with it, but how would you guys handle it?

>>49551769

I'd be fine with it.

>>49551769
Probably persuade him to take Magus levels instead, but otherwise, sounds good.

>>49550854
It's never a better idea to use it unless you know your enemy's current HP is in a small range of your base damage. That's found as a Slayer talent and nothing else, isn't it?

>>49551674

I'd be interested in this campaign, when do you run it?

>>49551769
It's all about whether you can trust the players to handle it well. If you can, there's no reason not to let him do it. If there's someone in the group liable to sperg out or you're simply not sure, maybe say no - then again, if someone handles that badly, maybe you're better off without him.

>>49551164
>Fast
>wait til 8th fucking level
Only for certain games. Potentially, getting to 8th level could still take like a year in real time with consistent weekly sessions if you're in a fast progression.

It's retarded anyway, you should be starting at 1d10 otherwise your special class feature is strictly worse than cheap weapons for a stupidly large range of levels.

>>49551229
It's not even the average though.

>>49551872
but it is?

>>49551749
Sure, elaborate.

>>49551912
No, it's below average.

>>49549925
Damn, was just wondering about this. Trying to find Psionics Augmented Soulknives 2 and it wasn't in there even though it came out almost 2 months ago :/

>>49551912
It's rounded down.

>>49551936
Damage roll is average as long as you are not rolling odd dice or something

damage dice is irrelevant anyway
static bonuses only matter in this game

>>49551958
The average of 1d6 is 3.5. With the feat, you're dealing 3 damage instead of 1d6.

>>49552016
Except we can only deal with full numbers and the difference is kinda minimal that only surfaces with many many rolls

>>49552038
Yeah, but it still amounts to being punished for taking a feat.

>>49552061
Oh please
You are not being PUNISHED

>>49552090
>take a -2 to attacks
>damage is always a static number, slightly below average
This is not a benefit.

>>49552038
>>49552090
Damage rolls are one of the most common rolls in the game, and they very quickly make a difference. Over the course of 100 damage rolls, that is a loss of 50 damage assuming that your attacks only use one die for their damage; attacks due to size categories or that otherwise roll 2dX lose damage even faster. More importantly, it means that you're losing the potential for a more-damaging attack simply for the assurance that you're not rolling a 1; it's a failing and a punishment for literally no good reason. If the base ability was "average damage at no penalty" I could at least see it being worthwhile in a niche build, but the -2 penalty on-top of it makes it worthless.

Hey I want to create a stance for PoW but I'm not very good at balancing shit. I just want burrow and later tremorsense.

HOW SHOULD I DO?

>>49551935
Just that. Been thinking of statting out like 20 of them and releasing it here for no actual reason other than I've been enjoying statting them.
Looking for interest for ego reasons

Have you ever purposely gotten your character killed while doing actions that were 100% in-character because you realized your character did't mesh with the party and was becoming that guy?

I had to do it last week and I was sad to see my character die because of his zealotry, but it made sense.

>>49552061
Exactly. They should have changed it to be 1/2 +1. So if you were normally rolling a d6 you'd just do a straight 4 damage instead of rolling. Or if you do 2d6 damage you just do 8 damage instead of rolling.

That would be an average increase of .5 damage per dice, which isn't terribly impressive (especially including the -2 penalty to hit) but at the same time it would prevent you from rolling less than that so it would be a most boost overall for the cost of 2 feats (one to get the ability and one to remove the -2 to hit).

That wouldn't be very impressive outside of specific builds designed to roll as many dice as possible, but at least it wouldn't be complete shit.

But as is? You're literally take a -2 on your attack rolls so you can reduce your average damage by -0.5 damage per dice.

Seriously, this might be one of the ten dumbest feats published in Pathfinder and that says something.

>>49552090
Are you the writer?

Is this how paizo writers think?

>>49552090
>Spend a feat to make your character's attacks be less accurate and deal less damage.

How is that not punishing?

>>49552142
>doing whatever the fuck you want because of your "stance"
This Path of War thing sounds retarded.

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Hey /pfg/, what's better for a magus starting at level one:
Getting Magical lineage: intensify spell and spell focus:evocation so I can get in get spell specialization, intensify spell as soon as possible and fuck the shit out of things with shocking grasp, or should I do a less completely, mind-numbingly specialized build, especially since this is my first magus ever.
Do something like not be a human, get weapon finesse/dervish dance, go from there?

>>49552213
>doing whatever the fuck you want because of your "spells"
This Vancian Casting thing sounds retarded.

>>49552138
Man why do you even have to take a penalty at all? The price was already that you SPENT A FEAT. At no penalty, it's still worse than Weapon Specialization for fuck's sake.

>>49552170

Of course, I've tried killing characters on numerous occasions either because I despised playing them or it felt like a good time for them to go.

Hell, even when a character might die from a random encounter, I typically enjoy it. What's the point in a system if I can't die?

>>49552213
Nigga they have stances that let you fly and have a constant holy weapon, because some feathery asshole said "Yeah hit them, but with the power of goodness."
Is being able to dig a bit that much of a stretch?

>>49552161
I somehow missed out on the second instance of "monster" and got confused.
As long as you don't expect anyone but autists and bored people to use em, go for it.
can't be any worse than the guy who did the 5e versions, at least on a couple of them.
Do any version of nargacuga first, is all i ask.

>>49552142
Why would that be a PoW stance? That's not a martial art, just make it a feat, or better yet a weapon style chain - something you can choose to do with a clawed weapon.

>>49552142
I could see something like that as a Level 6 stance.

>>49550232
>Hubluh bluh, spontaneous casters get shit!

Fuck you too.

>>49552337
Honestly, I don't see any kind of mechanical reason why a spontaneous caster shouldn't be able to benefit from those.

>>49550232
>VISUALIZATION OF THE BODY
Literally a direct upgrade for every caster, why AREN'T you casting this on you every morning?

>>49552337
What?

>>49552441
The spells only work with prepared casters, and indeed aren't even on the list for the spontaneous versions of casters (Sorcerer and Oracle).

>>49551229
There's also an existing feat which lets you deal average damage and doesn't lower your to-hit.

>>49552425

>Visualization of the body
>Meditation that improves a physical attribute
>By thinking long and hard, your body grows

Finally, an all-natural way to get rock hard abs without doing nasty workouts!

>>49552425
>why AREN'T you casting this on you every morning?

Because I am a witch.

>>49552364
Especially since... y'know. The CRB says this on spontaneous casters.

>A sorcerer or bard needs 8 hours of rest (just like a wizard), after which she spends 15 minutes concentrating.

You gotta spend some fucking time concentrating and meditating anyfuckingway.

>>49552425
Because my caster is a spontaneous caster.

>>49552425

Some casters like being soft and fleshy, anon.

>>49552213
You're right.
All spellcasting should be done ahead of time, taking at least ten minutes per spell level to prepare, and store itself inside your mind - with a maximum limitation of a set number of each spell level based on your experience level rather than a spell-level-total or other forms of measurement - until such time as you discharge it at which point it is completely forgotten. We could call it "psionics"!

>>49552526
I like my casters more limber and nubile. So they are more than welcome to take the dex one.

>>49551196
THAT DEAF DUMB AND BLIND KID SURE PLAYS A MEAN PINBALL

>>49552545

>Nubile

I don't think that word means what you think it means, unless you're saying your casters are typically sexually desirable young women.