Warcraft: Lore and RPG Discussion

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new Old God 'predictions' from the new raid.

>>49474835
The "lord of ravens" could be Kadgar. Thoughts?

>>49474882
I know that I'm stating the obvious, but it seems like Magni is listening to the voice of N'Zoth, not Azeroth. Also, Anduin is going to have an interesting arc.

Also, shit tier OP pic.

>>49474835
>Curse of Flesh.
>Suramar used to be circular before most of it sank, it has a location called the Court of Stars.
>Anduin.
>Azeroth, the World-Soul.
>Self-explanatory.
>Khadgar.
>Magni.
>The Pillars.

>>49474835
>The boy-king serves at the master's table.
SHADOWED.COM?

found something
https://clyp.it/igmnqkhl

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>>49474952
Forgot your pic?

>>49474958
yes, dammit

>>49474814
>Licking the hair
>Not the freckles
>Not turning from licking freckles to french kissing
>Not making the Sin'Dorei slut squirm

I agree with >>49474906

>>49474835
I heard another one last night to the effect of
>He draws strength from the earth. Our earth. Our strength.
Possibly referring to Thrall

>>49474814
>Rogues do it from behind Edition
I WEAR BLOODFANG LEATHER

>>49462328
The Frostmourne, Arthas' ancient blade - older than any of us,and a thousand times more deadly.
The legends claimed that the blade was possessed, and thrived by devouring the souls of its victims.
For all our bravado, we knew what it meant when Arthas drew the Frostmourne in anger - it meant you were dead.

>>49474835
>could be the key
Key to what, then? Key to free the octopus, or Key to "destroy" it?

>>49474814

>that pic

Seriously, dude?

>>49475251
There was also something like "At the hour of her third death, she ushers in our coming."

>warcraft
>lore
;^)

>>49475618
>;^)
>>>/b/

>>49474835
>Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it.

Jaina? Its pretty certain she will be a raid boss eventually

>>49475668
Sick burn, son

>>49475721
>Alliance players desperately wishing that Jaina isn't serving the Legion
>she's not in the Legion, just a Twilight cultist :^)
bravo Blizzard

>>49475751
They just want to make Alliance Garrosh. Except Garrosh was a bloodthirsty maniac from the start, while Jaina is innocent and just a victim.

>>49475768
Garrosh wasn't a bloodthirsty maniac from the start. He was a much more mellow and honorable orc in Outland, and his whole drama was that he had issues with his father and questioned his validity as an orc and a man. That is a legitimately interesting character. Then they turned him into "lol, old gods, racism, muh pure horde" raid boss.

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>>49476073
>He was a much more mellow and honorable orc in Outland
He was a depressed shmuck in Outland. Then some asshole gave him prozac.

>>49476197
I didn't attach an image when I made the post. What the fuck?

>>49476203
This is a sign.
Garrosh has chosen you.

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>>49476242
>Garrosh has chosen you.
To piss on his corpse?

>>49476390
>piss
Have you no manners? Don't play with your food anon.

>>49476390
I love you, cutest queen!

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>>49476497

>>49476569
DARK IRONED

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Troll master race.
Remove mutants and aliens.
Spawns of da Loa were made to serve us.

>>49474925
After breaking up with Wrathion, Anduin moved on to bigger, blacker cock.

>>49476596
We will never get to explore zandalar
>>49476694
Fuck off you degenerate cuck

>>49475592
Ellisande
In her fight you kill her three times then this opens the way to the nightwell a "pool of stars"

>>49474913
I still think it's Wrathion and not Anduin. Anduin is too innocent to corrupt just yet, and humanity lacks a leader to replace him.

>inb4 Calia Menethil

She's not important enough yet.

>inb4 Gennaro

He and the Gilneans fill a niche--they wouldn't fit well into Anduin's role.

>>49477037
>Gennaro

Kek. Meant Genn.

But also, there aren't plans for any of this, btw. Multiple blizz folks have said time and time again that stuff like this exists to hold people in and get them talking, and maybe as a jumping off point for later. Don't think some group of writers agonized over these with painstaking attention to detail.

>>49474913
The crater one might also refer to Jaina. Her heart being Theramore since it's where she lost a lot of her compassion.

>>49477059
It's also the whispers of a heing that drives people insane. It could be lying to you, it could be telling the truth, hell it could honestly be saying non-words and letting the character's brain fill in stuff from their own doubts.

>>49477235
Old gods just like to mess with peoples heads
>your friends will abandon you
>your heart will explode

>>49477270
but sometimes they speak the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOMqjn072NY

>All should bow before you
>All that you have accomplished, all that you have won, yet still you lick the boots of kings.

Based Y'Shaarj

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>Niggers believing every word waifu dagger says even though pretty much everything in-game tells you not to trust it because it deceives and corrupts

Wouldn't surprise me if Blizzard added the Jaina part just to fuck with the hurr Jaina dreadlord idiots.

>>49477593
nice try "Jaina"

>>49477593
>The dagger tells you it would be a good idea
to talk to Odyn about Loken
Why would you trust that thing afterwards

>>49476816
>We will never get to explore zandalar
Unless you un-sink it, like Broken Isles

>>49477801
If Gul'dan could do that with a bunch of Ogre-Magi, so could players.

>>49477593
Except it's not knaifu that tells you this.

>>49477593
>>49477961
Yeah Knaifu is all about warning you that the real fight is still coming

>>49475721
As much as I love the Jaina Dread Lord meme, this is more probable. And remember, Kul Tiras is still off the radar, but it's people keep sprouting up. I swear Kul Tiras is the writer's second to last ace in the hole for when they run out of ideas

>Jaina becomes the new Cho'Gall for the Old Gods and finds her old home.
>still lacking an effective leader, Kul Tiras can't do shit as Jaina takes over and aims to finish what her father started.
>point guns at the horde for revenge, and guns at the alliance for spite
>players arrive at Kul Tiras which is now it's own continent for game play convenience, and everything is either sailor or cthulu themed

Boom, next expansion. Assuming we don't kill Jaina anytime soon

>>49478033
>players arrive at Kul Tiras which is now it's own continent for game play convenience
It's an island that should be south-southeast of Gilneas

>>49478033
>>49478055
It's not going to happen Kul Tiras doesn't exist anymore

>>49477961
Oh, Il'gynoth was the one saying it? The point should still stand though. I wouldn't put much faith into anything lolcorruption shit tells you.

>>49477986
>warning you that the real fight is still coming

Her helping the player out with explaining history/things and even apparently giving warnings now throws me off. What could Knaifu gain with this, wouldn't she want the void to win?

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>>49478084
but there are Kul Tiras marines kept captive by those giants down in Azsuna

>>49478123
Or she doesn't want to be a slave of the void lords anymore. She tells you she is helping you because your goals align at the moment

>>49478055
And the Broken Islands were just the small scraps of land around Suramar that got left above water after Sundering (plus the probably large part that Gul'dan rose to the surface to access the Tomb of Sargeras). Now it's an area of comparable size to Northrend or Pandaria (although given that WoW is heavily scaled down, it's probably not supposed to be that big in lore; it's just scaled down less than the major continents).

>>49477801
>>49477944
Trolls mages stopped the whole thing from going under during the explodey times so you know

Did thry nerf the DH glide between pre launch and now? I fee like I'm falling faster.

>>49478151
Yeah, as time goes on, Blizzards has to expand the gameplay area, even if its lore size is rather tiny, as the Broken Isles are supposed to be.

I wonder if they'll ever grow the balls and the funding to expand the original continents to a larger scale.

So Wrathion has a big brother who's not a huge dick.

>>49478823
More like uncle. But his Unca Bull Moose is more interested in playing with the other Tauren than reviving his race.

>>49478845
How are two dudes gonna revive a dragonflight?

Speaking of dragonflights, who's gonna take over for yesera?

>>49478819
>I wonder if they'll ever grow the balls and the funding to expand the original continents to a larger scale.
One of the few things that would open up my eyes to WoW for the first time since tbc.

I imagine it would face opposition for people who see WoW as the true representation of the setting, rather than an adaption to make gameplaye more feasable, like most people wouldn't want to spend days to move from town to town so of course it needed to be shrunk down initially or more focused on a smaller area.

There's a lot you could do if they reworked the older areas to make them bigger.
Like Redridge mountains could be kept mostly intact, but it could be referred to as Redridge Valley, and then you have a higher level zone called Redrige Mountains that mostly surrounds it.
Then Deeper Darkshire or Deep Elwynn Forest. that are inside those zones.
That way you could make the old areas still seem familiar to the people who have played the mmo for years.

>>49478889
Not that anon, but there's a bunch of black dragon eggs in Neltharion's lair, deposited there before he got all corrupted.

Also,who's Wrathion's uncle? I'm a bit lost here.

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>>49479105
>Also,who's Wrathion's uncle?

>>49479213
/pol/ has ruined me. And I don't even go to /pol/

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>>49475583

>>49479105
Wrathion has two uncles. One is Ebonhorn. The other is Sabellian in Blades Edge

>>49479250
>>>/vg/

>>49478033
That actually sounds kinda cool. Could even throw Queen Azshara and Nazjatar into that mix.

>>49479213
>>49479353
I did know about Sabellian, but none of this Ebonhorn guy. Cool thing,though; I never liked all this "all black dragons are eeeviiiiiil" thing. It's nice to see some lore pointing to their eventual restitution.

>>49479105
They explicitly say that the eggs were corrupted and the ritual only saved one of them.

I was hoping it would be a female because having it be another dude kind of takes away from Wrathion, especially since Ebonhorn is such a no-name minor character.

>>49479767
>>>/vg/

>>49479610
I think it's less "all black dragons are eeeviiiiiil", and more "black dragons are more susceptible to corruption", mostly due to living underground, closer to the Old Gods and their maddening ever-whispering. Since dragons are alive, conscient and sentient even while in the egg, it's easy to twist their minds, and it apparently needs an extraordinary effort to purify/cleanse/keep out the corruption.

>Sabellian: had to go to another bloody planet to escape N'zoth whispering sweet nothings in his ear
>Wrathion: Is technicall a chimera (genetically spaking, not in terms of ingame species), being born of an amalgamation of black dragon eggs purified by Titan technology unearthed in the Badlands
>Ebonhorn/Ebyssian (with that name, shouldn't it be a female? Although I'll concede Black and Green dragons do not seem to have standard naming conventions like the other flights): Purified while still in the egg by the Hammer of Khaz'goroth, a powerful Titan relic, and even that only saved him out of a massive clutch/nest.

>>49479238
BIG AZEROTHIAN DICK.
SMALL TITANFORGED DICK.

>>49476390
nah, it'd be disrespectful to piss on sylvanas. his corpse was quite shaken up by his death.

>>49478123
Kill stuff with knaifu = feeds knaifu.

>>49479814
>>49479649
What I meant was that it seems all black dragons were necessarily affected by Deathwing's own corruption,without a single chance of cleansing or redemption. To me it seemt too pushed in. I know it makes sense lorewise, I just dislike it,that's all.

Concerning Sabellian,how comes he just abadoned Deathwing's projects and stayed in Outland? I mean,he was born with the Old Gods taint in him, and I don't think that all his hatred for Gruul and sons could overcome the call of the Twilight Hammer and his own father (even more considering Synestra visited Outland to recruit the Dragonmaw for Deathwing's cause); so or he's not completely corrupt, or Blizzard has swiped him under the proverbial carpet and forgot about him.

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>>49480117
>this is your king now

>>49480117
I think Sabellian just got stuck in Outland after the Dark Portal was destroyed, and had a few decades to be without the Old Gods whispering in his head. After that he probably didn't have any compelling reason to return to Azeroth.

Other than the pretty lame licensed RPGs are there any fan attempts at a Warcraft RPG?

>>49480951
That's a pretty good homebrewed book for 5th edition DnD. I don't have the link, though.

>>49480972
I just want to play a naga, their lore is pretty cool.

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>Leveling some alts. Focusing on my mage right now. Do first artifact quest.
>Kirin Tor allow Aethas Sunreaver back into Dalaran
For what fucking purpose is this shit stain allowed access to the mage city again after abusing his access twice?

>>49481000
I thought Aethas was genuinely loyal to Kirin Tor. Some Sunreavers helped Garrosh to build the manabomb, which got all of the kicked out, whether they had anything to do with it.

>>49481000
Because Jaina is out and he's learned his lesson about following the orders of a warchief that looks out for their own people first.

>>49476596
Troll master race
When will we get the Mist of Trollzanda adding the 3rd faction Troll empire

>>49481020
Nuking of Theramore was in no way excusable.

>>49481000
You realize Aethas wasn't involved in the Mana bomb at all, and only """""involved""""" with the Bell in so far as he was threatened into backing down when he found out about the theft after it had already occurred, right?

He didn't abuse a damned thing.

>>49481334
When it was being used as a logistics center for Alliance military operations against the Horde it was very much an acceptable target and I say this as someone who thinks the Horde should have died ages ago.

>>49481000
Because fuck your mary sue city and your dreadlord leader. Hands off Felo'melorn non-elf scum.

>>49481360

He's at fault from a command perspective. Its common to fire leaders over their subordinates actions. Happened to the Air Force during the nuke mishap in 2007.

>>49474814
I want to violate the blood elf while she holds her down and eggs me on.

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>>49474835
So, that first quote only shows up if you're playing as a race afflicted by the Curse of Flesh, right?

Because obviously that would make no sense for Goblins (kajamite-mutated Pygmies, who were there before Mimiron), Night Elves/Blood Elves (two strains of mutated Troll), Trolls (natives), Orcs/Draenei (aliens), or Tauren/Pandaren (descended from Yaungol/Furbolgs who probably came from Niuzao/Ursoc so they're another Wild God race and were always flesh)?

Also, what's the deal with Harpies? Why are they like they are now if Aviana was a decent person? Is it Old Gods again?

>>49480944
Good point. Didn't think about the Portal's destruction.

>>49482521
Doesn't anything that comes from a wild god count as titan-made?

Or do I mistake what wild gods actually are?

>>49482633
>Or do I mistake what wild gods actually are?
They're loa

Hey guys. I've got a problem that I was hoping you could help me out with.

See, a friend of mine is running a Warcraft campaign, and I'm playing one half of a goblin duo. We're called Flotsam and Jetsam, and we are junk fishermen.

Now, my character, Jetsam, had a harpy wife in his backstory but the DM doesn't see it happening.

I tried to convince him to let me and he agreed to it, if I can convince him that it could definitely happen.

The problem I have is that neither Flotsam nor Jetsam have left Booty bay. Is there anyway I can make this work?

>>49482633
Is your creation's creation considered your own creation?

>>49482656
I don't know what you mean.

Like, how they would even meet?

>>49482682
Yeah, pretty much. I was thinking that they could have saved the harpy out at sea, but I don't know how she'd get there.

>>49482714
You could probably say she was poached, and they 'reclaimed' her from a 'wreck'.

>>49482737
But he'd want to know why she was poached, and by whom, and probably how. It seems like he won't accept an answer that isn't fully explained.

>>49482763
Damn, pirates is an easy answer as to who, but as to why might take more originality than I have.

And how, they konked her in the Durotar canyon and shipped her out, it's not exactly hard.

>>49482763
Samefag here.
I did think of a couple of scenarios that could happen. Like a tribe of Centaurs from Mulgore captured her and brought her to The Barrens somewhere. Could that work?

>>49482812
Maybe I could play the adventurers card. I'd better come up with someone who'd want a harpy, and has political power... or, a lot of gold.

>>49482633
Yes, but wild gods are already flesh.

>>49482867
They conked her and were shipping her out as a "contestant" for the Gurubashi Arena. Exotic shit for gladiators to fight and shit.

>>49482920
Oh yeah.

Sounds like something a troll or someone working for a troll would do.

>>49483083
that poor gryphon

>>49482920
Thanks, I've sorted out a pretty solid explanation now. I've send a message to my DM and now I'm waiting for a response. Oh, and I've decided to call her Desasha. We also have a daughter called Flo, named after Flotsam.

Here's hoping for my Harpy wife.

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>>49483115
Aren't Warcraft harpies massive cunts by design?

>>49480944
Presumably once it stopped he had no need or desire to go back. Don't a bunch of the other Black Dragons in Blade's Edge go back to Azeroth during Cat anyway? So maybe he can, he just doesn't want to.

>>49483183
Everyone in Warcraft is a massive cunt by design.

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>>49483094

>>49483115
Samefag here once more.

Well, my DM is just flat out saying no now. It's kind of annoying but, what can you do... Anyway, thanks for your help guys.

>>49482656
>>49483428
>Now, my character, Jetsam, had a harpy wife in his backstory but the DM doesn't see it happening.

Saying your character has a harpy wife is kinda like saying saying you're dating a tiger.

>>49483428
Ask him why he's changing his mind after you gave a decent reason and came up with a backstory for it.
I'm curious if he's just butthurt.

>>49483509
It's possible he's suspecting a Magical Realm kind of situation

>Well, you see, my chracter has this wife
>An ex-slave that was rescued from gladiatorial cage matches
>She also happens to be a harpy, an individual of a race of fit, athletic, semi-naked birdwomen

>>49483575
Eh, if it's a background thing, I doubt it'd come up much at all.
Still
>Come up with a family for your background, gets denied or killed off for "Drama."
>Make an orphan with no connections, DM whines.

Can never win, man.

>>49483606
I mean you could say that your goblin character has goblin parents.

>>49483509
I've been waiting for a reply, but he hasn't replied yet. I'm not sure what's wrong with it. Last campaign he wouldn't let me make bombs out of the fairy puppets I bought right at the beginning of the game.

>>49483725
He does have goblin parents though, it's just his wife... and daughter.

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>>49483725
>Goblin
>Having Goblin Parents
>Suggesting that the Goblin family tree isn't constantly on fire and/or exploding. Constantly.

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>>49478889
>How are two dudes gonna revive a dragonflight?
How indeed.

>>49483183
Not originally, but when Aviana, Wild God of Flying Creatures died during the War of the Ancients, her home G'Hanir fell apart and the harpies turned to darker powers in her absence.

That's why harpies are all fucked up.

>>49475721
WHAT IF THEY ARE REFERRING TO THE PLANET!

AZEROTH IS ALREADY CORRUPTED MAGNI IS A PAWN THE END IS NEIGH.

Tell me about your roleplay character /tg/

>>49482763

Captured by orcs who sold her to slavers in Ratchet for a quick buck (since slavery is """illegal""" in the Horde) and from Ratchet she was shipped off to join a Trade Prince's "harem" (more like collection) of "exotic" females from all over Azeroth.

Your gobbo rescued her and the Trade Prince has been awaiting his harpy prize anxiously... and has sent mercenaries to retrieve her.

Now you have an explanation that makes sense lore-wise AS WELL as having a plot hook.

>>49483829
I can only imagine the look on Chen's face when the Goblin PC was proud of their ancestors. You could just feel how he was /trying/ to say it all as respectfully as possible.

>>49484577
*Cho's.

What is wrong with my brain today.

>>49483760
>and daughter.
I suspect here lies the problem.

>>49484577
>>49484592
it's too bad that quest is Horde only, it's way better than painting Cho's house

>>49484321
Just blew my miiiind.
And they did fill that hole with Deathwing's corrupted corpse.

>>49484823
Yeah, but what would he really see in the Alliance races' ancestors? Besides Earthen and Mechagnomes.

Forsaken already show some Vrykul in the back, BElves already show NElves towards the beginning.

Maybe he could show NElves their Dark Troll ancestors? They'd never buy it, though. I mean, do you want to be the one to tell a 10,000-plus-year-old elf that he/she's fighting his/her own close relatives?

>>49484526
>since slavery is """illegal""" in the Horde

You straight up meet a slave master in Durotar and fight his slaves.

>>49484862
>fighting his/her own close relatives?
Meanwhile, satyrs.

>>49474835
>Flesh is his gift. He is your true creator
Sargeras knew the metallic titans were weak to the old gods, and sought to create his own army to fight them and set the curse of flesh in motion to aid the titanforged.
>To find him, drown yourself in the circle of stars.
Sacrifices must be made to the well of eternity to bring Sargeras to azeroth

>>49484893

You are one dumb motherfucker.

>>49484908
There's a reason I didn't mention Naga either, anon. And that's because unexpected biological relations are one thing, DEMONS and OLD GODS are another.

Sure, NElves have adjusted to fighting other Elves (namely) BElves, as well as demon-corrupted Highborne. But "elves are mutant trolls?" That's "Elune is a naaru"-tier blasphemy if you say that to them.

>>49474814
Warcraft Threads: We aren't even fucking pretending anymore

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I really like the belf warden skin and tempted to use it for a wc3-ish era elven paladin, but I should just use the guy to the right since he's more like the human paladin.

Any idea what a high elf armed like a nelf warden could be around wc2-wc3?
Some spellbreaker variant? ranger variant?
battle mage?

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>>49484984
There was never any stopping this, anon. It was foretold. Just give up.

I did.

>>49484984

Seriously, I hate these fucks who come here from /vg/ and shit up our threads with their dumb porn shit.

>>49484949
How so?

Spiketooth is from the Wow Comic, assistant to Rhegar Earthfury back when Rhaegar was also a slave driver organizing gladiatorial teams.

It's canon, there are slave drivers in the Horde.

>>49483879
I thought harpies were elves that got cursed or something. Or did they retain that? Or am I retarded and misremembering shit so hard I'm making new things up?

>>49484984
Eh, the lore discussion isn't that bad.

But the rest sums up as /wowg/ with 80% less autism.

>>49485455
Not the same dude but I think he means slavery is illegal like jaywalking is in many countries but not really enforced

>>49485291
WoW porn isn't even good anymore. Seems like most of it is now lore characters instead of OCs. I wouldn't even hatefuck Jaina.

>>49485609
The fucking shippers and waifu faggots fuck these threads over with their cancerous behavior.

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>>49485853
>being this upset
The only reason those people get vocal is because they get a rise out of you. Ignore them and then they have no power over you.

>>49485882
Meh I ignore em normally.

Lore question of the day: What the fuck's the difference between Watchers and Wardens?

>>49486069
Watchers watch stuff and Wardens ward them.

>>49485455

The reason I called you stupid is because you couldn't tell that I was being sarcastic even though I used several """parentheses""" to illustrate the fact that there are slavers operating openly in the Horde and it's not punished.

I assume you're just genuinely autistic. If so, I apologize because you're just acting within your nature. If you aren't genuinely autistic then you must be dumb as shit.

>>49486243
Parentheses doesn't denote sarcasm you fucking idiot.

Sarcasm is about the tone of the phrase, not special characters.surrounding it. Learn the fucking language before you call others idiots. You idiot.

>>49486069
Warden is the faction name and the actual elite agents positioned as a warden

Watchers are anyone that's part of the Warden faction: regular soldiers, cooks, janiters, support teams, etc

>>49486069
Watchers wear leather, Wardens wear plate

>>49486318
Ignore him, anon, multiple quotation marks around a word is the latest in /pol/-speak.

>>49474906
>Anduin is going to have an interesting arc.

Requesting the gif of Anduin dancing on the throne with a shitton of weapons flying around.

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>>49474958
>Ding
>It's done

>>49481909
I've put my filthy gnomish hands in places felo'melorn didn't even know it had.

>>49486406
kinky

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>>49488073

>>49485479
No Avianna the first Harpy and creator of the rest of them was simply a bird used to relay messages among the wild gods. Eventually being around such powerful beings changed her and she gained intelligence. She was eventually blessed and powered up to a full wild god. When she was killed in the war of the ancients her realm Ghanir (the afterlife of all flying things) was destroyed with her. This caused her servants the harpies to kinda go insane.

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>>49474906
>Anduin is going to have an interesting arc.

I hope so. I'm really not a fan of him being a total twat, yet because he's "the destined chosen one' we have to put up with him and his antics.

>>49474882

it could be medivh

>>49485136
Nozdormu did literally nothing wrong

>>49489201
Yet

>>49489201
yeah Nozdormu dindu nuffin it was all that Murozond dude

>>49476816
>>49477801
Or they play it partially sunken so the "Most vertile valleys" that provided most of the food were rendered worthless, thus forcing the population to evacuate even though there was plenty of overall 'Space' to live in." Have valleys with tall temples just sticking barely out of the water, and make the rest of it densely wooded mountainsides.

>>49478894
>I imagine it would face opposition for people who see WoW as the true representation of the setting, rather than an adaption to make gameplaye more feasable, like most people wouldn't want to spend days to move from town to town so of course it needed to be shrunk down initially or more focused on a smaller area.
Faster mounts and travel boosters granted to players earlier.

>>49484893
>>49484526
Well, it's illegal to have slaves but indentured servitude seems to have been legal, some were just very good at "Persuading" their servants to "Voluntarily renew" their contracts, or at artificially inflating their debts.

>>49482763
>>49483115
Venture Co worked in Stonetalon, the primary home of the harpies before the Kosaklysm shat red vs blu all over 90% of the native inhabitants.

Venture Co needs to ship their ill gotten gains possibly including a Harpy slave who could have certainly have been destined for the Gurubashi arena. (Though they''d need to throw a net over it)

>>49489626
Zandalar was on mountains so i could see an expansion where the Islands are just mountains that have yet to be submerged

>>49483362
Elves never tamed Gryphons though.

>>49489838
There's a "lot" of High elves living with the Wildhammer and they've always been close friends.

>>49489626
>Faster mounts and travel boosters granted to players earlier.
Yeah that could make a large world more viable, that or more flight points really, but it could still change opposition because "this isn't the elwynn forest I've seen for the last 10 years"'

>>49489838
If I used that unit I would explain it through the wildhammer supplying elves with gryphons.

I'm looking at what alternatives you could have in an alliance army. In the first war you had a human crossbowman for the ranged unit, in the second an elven archer, in the third a dwarven rifleman.
I imagine if the wildhammers supplied the ranged units they'd could be throwing stormhammers.
There are less options when you consider who can supply the heavy air unit though. like what would the human alternative have been during 2nd-3rd war. Best guess I have is ironforge or wildhammer still supplying gryphons to humans and then a human mage on the gryphon or a human knight on it.

And as it so happens, tone is impossible to read via text.

Please be stupid somewhere else .

humanity was a mistake. It's nothing but trash
- King Ymiron

>>49481334
Well it's a good thing Aethas had no knowledge of that until after it happened, isn't it?

>>49481334
>destroying a strategic port in a time of war is inexcusable
this is why the Alliance loses

>>49490654
King Ymiron was a mistake.
- Odyn

>>49490825
>cowardly bitch boy Odyn
>not based prime designate Loken

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>>49490840
Say that to my face fucker not on Ulduar and see what happens.

What was Aman'Thuls planet like before he awoke?

>>49491123
based knifewife

>>49491142
I imagine it being like earth at the end of the Time Machine, where all complex life except the very hardiest animals are dead and the planet is slowly being ruined by the gravity of its sun. Except instead of running out of rotational momentum and being scorched bare by the sun, it turns into a giant old man

>>49491350
>it turns into a giant old man
Is the world destroyed in the process of birthing the titan?

I was wondering if the old titan worlds could remain.

So like if the titan in azeroth was born, azeroth the planet would still remain in some shape.

>>49491461
I assume that the titan either destroys the planet like a bird coming out of an egg, or unfolds out of it like an armadillo
the fact that all planets we know of have (or had, fucking elves) a single central continent surrounded by ocean vaguely supports this

>>49483083
Name of mod?

>>49483465
Sounds hot

>>49485006
Probably looks like a Spell Breaker. With MAGICAL BALLS floating around, or maybe look like Kael's Blood Elf Lieutenants

>>49491523
>I assume that the titan either destroys the planet like a bird coming out of an egg, or unfolds out of it like an armadillo
I was thinking that it probably is more like an egg, but armadillo could work as well.

I'm not sure I understand how a single central continent supports that though.


I guess I kind of want the planet to remain so signs of potential past civilizations and possibly even intelligent life could remain on the old titan egg.
If that was the case then some changes should still occur I think, like maybe some magical energies from the planet disappear.
Draenor apparently doesn't have a world soul, but it has life, so life doesn't have to disappear.

I was reading that the elements on azeroth were so chaotic, because the the world soul consumed much of the fifth element, spirit.
Draenors elementals aren't as chaotic, because spirit wasn't consumed.

Without titan interference and old god interferences I guess Azeroth would've just remained as an elemental battleground. Life probably not being able to take root.
I think that might be the case for most titan worlds. They were just elemental battlegrounds until the titan matured. Depending on the strength of the titan, since apparently azeroth consumed so much of fifth element because its exceptional strength.

>>49491543
Just a bunch of hiveworkshop models in my editor. Working title age of seven kingdoms.

>>49491562
>With MAGICAL BALLS floating around,
That's a good idea.

>>49491598
>I'm not sure I understand how a single central continent supports that though.
because the single circular continent would end up as a plate of armor on their back. or something

mostly I just think the idea is cool

>I guess I kind of want the planet to remain so signs of potential past civilizations and possibly even intelligent life could remain on the old titan egg.
if Magni survives her hatching then we can give her directions. Azeroth would have her own personal infestation of murderhobos, like African tick birds keeping her clean in exchange for letting us live there

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>>49485136

>>49491759
BIG
BRONZE
FINGER

how can blue dragons even compete

>>49491902
>how can blue dragons even compete
lasting longer than 15 seconds

>>49492110
BIG
BLUE
BALLS
how can black dragons even compete

>>49484908
It's one thing to accept some of your kind would sell their souls for power, it's another to admit your entire people are descended from what you view as barbarous savages.

>>49476203
did you mean to post that earlier, then decide against it and cancel? could've been a bug that didnt clear the upload field.

>>49492229
Gotta be alive to compete

>>49492740
COLD
BLACK
COCK
How can red dragons even compete

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>>49492782
But anon-kun, leader of the reds is prime slut

>>49492899
God damn.
How can anyone even compete..

>>49492899
is there more to that pic, or is that the only version?
I'm asking for, uh, reasons.

>>49493181
Guess

>>49493357
I'm guessing there is.

>>49494178
good guess

>>49492899
>spends 2 years getting raped
>afterwards she pretends it never happened and is all buddy buddy with the Horde
ORCED.com when

>>49498412
There have been so many "hordes" at this point that it's hard to keep track of

>>49498412
When you first meet the Wyrmrest Accord as Horde, the first thing Alex does is acknowledge that the old Horde was fucked up and did fucked up things to her. However, she's willing to bury the hatchet and start anew, given the circumstances. The Horde envoy milling around the base of Wyrmrest Temple, an orc, admits he's super nervous about parleying with the dragons because of the fucked-up stuff his race did to Alex all those years ago.

>>49498412
Alexstrasza has forgiven worse. She spent her whole time at Garrosh's trial reminding everyone about how her post as the Lifebinder makes her feel compassion for all things. Plus, she /did/ kill Nekros anyway.

And only she will ever know how he tasted. Yes, I mean that in the literal sense of "she swallowed him whole and digested him." What did you think I meant?

>>49498412
The orcs used the Demon Soul to make her one ailing consort fuck her, no orc touched that pristine dragon pussy.

>>49498601
>no orc touched that pristine dragon pussy.
of course not, it'd be throwing a hot dog down a hallway

all those humanoid forms though

>>49498667
The orcs didn't fuck her. Rule 34 lied to you.

>>49492899
>you will never get Alexstrasza to admit that she's repressing a lot of anger and hatred and despair over everything that's happened to her and the other Aspects
>you will never teach her that it's okay to feel bad things as long as it doesn't consume you
>you will never become Azeroth's most famous therapist and help everyone with their issues

Seriously, if even one person in this entire universe saw anything resembling a shrink half of the horrible things that have happened would never have happened.

>>49498771
And lawyers.

>>49498811
>a dimension that actually needs lawyers, but our surplus of overzealous lawyers will never be able to go there

And so both worlds were doomed.

>>49495017
Could you supply the full one or name the artist?

Search gives me nothing.

>>49498811
>>49498820
Warcraft has 4 lawyers and that's already too many

>>49498584
>her post as the Lifebinder makes her feel compassion for all things
Dragons should be dragons.

>>49499096
It does?

>>49499260
no, only 2. I forgot how War Crimes went because I've never read it. I thought the August Celestials were the lawyers but they ended up being the judges or something, who knows or cares.

novels were a mistake

>>49499295
August Celestials were judge.
Tyrande was prosecutor.
Baine was defense attorney.

>>49499772
Taran Zhu was bailiff.

What's funny was the whole trial was a sham because the celestials had a verdict before the trial even began: Garrosh would've been not guilty. This is despite Garrosh saying he had absolutely no regrets about anything he did and that he would gladly do it all again in the blink of an eye. This is also despite his violent breakout and almost mortally wounding Jaina in the process.

Fuck War Crimes.

>>49499801
This is why we don't let animals run the courts.

>>49492232
Nelves probably wont be too mad since everyone's just part of nature and they are pretty savage themselves. Belves, and nightbornes would mana bomb whoever dare to publish this theory. High elves would not care and suck some more human cock

>>49499801
Didn't they say we shouldn't murder him, then Thrall up and murdered him on Dreanor?
Should have just let him end it back in Orgrimmar but noooooo.
Varian wanted a piece of that brown ass.

>>49499241
Hey, blame the Titans, not me. They gave her that job.

>>49500257
I blame knaak

>>49499801
War Crimes should never have been about whether or not Garrosh was guilty, because he obviously was to anyone with any damn sense.

It should've been about what to DO with him, and whether or not his subordinates are guilty of war crimes for following him.

But no, somebody had to go and start fapping to brown orcs, so this is what we're left with.

>>49474835
>>49484931
What? That's retarded, he's giving credit to the Old Gods.

>>49500330
>War Crimes should never have been about whether or not Garrosh was guilty, because he obviously was to anyone with any damn sense.
What? It was ALWAYS about the sentence, Life (Imprisonment) vs Death.

>>49500401
>Always about the sentence.
>Celestials had already decided he wasn't guilty before the trial started.
This two statements are mutually exclusive.

>>49500566
t. human (Celestial)

>>49500566
>>Always about the sentence.
>>Celestials had already decided he wasn't guilty before the trial started.
>This two statements are mutually exclusive.
No, the Celestials had already decided NOT to give the death penalty.

So the whole trial was pointless, he'd have been serving life in prison, hard labor, whatever.

>>49500774
>tfw you realize that Garrosh was Napoleon and the Iron Horde was his Hundred Days

>>49501512
They weren't even a threat for a full 100 days.

>>49501512
napoleon actually didn't turn the world retarded to win.

>>49489267
>>49489388

>Tried to prevent opening of the dank portal, thereby preventing the orc wars
>Tried to prevent Arthas from going down the path of evil
>Tried to save Tabitha

>>49501870
>breaking the fabric of space-time
>dooming reality to fall apart

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>>49500774
So what was the fucking point? Why couldn't we have just shanked the fucker there and then?

>>49501912
>wanting to cause more Sha
>actually thinking the Heart's destruction would mean there was no more Y'shaarj blood

>>49501937
>Worrying about Old God blood
>When Saronite as been a thing for a while

>>49501890

>Meanwhile, on Draenor...
>Meanwhile, at mount Hyjal...

>>49501912
Sylvanas and Vereesa were united in their hatred of Garrosh and wanted to do away with him. Sylvanas convinced Vereesa to poison Garrosh's last meal, but after talking with Anduin, she got cold feet at the last second. This pissed Sylvanas off.

>>49502024
>Draenor
>a Bronze goes rogue and already retcons are through the roof

>Hyjal
>even more retcons

It starts slow, sure. By the time it's done, nothing will make sense. Even less than it does now, even.

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>>49502006
livefags probably forgot that was even a thing.

>>49502356
inb4 all the saronite in Acherus irradiates everyone in the Broken Isles with Old God juice and the Kirin Tor gets mass corrupted

>>49502344

>retcons and bad writing are actually a side effect of timespace disintegration

seems like the whole settings was fucked to begin with

>>49502024
>Meanwhile, on Draenor...
Goat fucking happens on an hourly basis

>Meanwhile, at mount Hyjal...
Malfurion fucks a deer every minute while Tyrande can only watch from afar, jealous of that deer

Has Blizzard said whether or not artifact weapons will be staying after Legion? If they do get rid of them, how do you think they'll do it without it being completely retarded?

>>49503089
They're not going beyond Legion, but certain abilities parts of their trees will probably be carried on.

>>49503089
people say they won't carry on past Legion but I've never seen a source for that and it seems stupid

how would they even get rid of them? Ashbringer gets hung up in LHC, Thrall takes back Doomhammer, and everyone else spontaneously develops a conscious and destroys their world destroying Burning Legion weapon?

>>49503131
The same way you abandon your other legendary, better than anything equipment. The next expansion's blues are much better and the item's unique abilities stop working.

I'm still waiting for a "canon" PC of each race to come into existence, as in like the canon paladin that led a garrison and got the ashbringer was actually dwarfbeard holyslut, and they continue the story as the paladin who did all the class hall shit in Legion.

Otherwise it's hard to reference all the very important shit that happens in class halls when there isn't actually a specific canon character who did all those things, and we can't continue on with what happened there.

>>49503131
Final phase of end of expandion boss Avatar of Sargeras

We have to do an Artifact Power nuke to get rid of it, destroying them in the process

>>49503131
>how would they even get rid of them?
I'd assume something along the lines of having to channel the power of your weapon towards closing the portal at the tomb of sargeras, and doing so either destroys it or drains all of its power.

>>49502568
please do not lewd the alliance

I cannot even comprehend why one would do this

>>49503357
But the Alliance became an alliance because of lewd

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>>49503388
Alliance is not for lewds! Alliance is pure!


Puuuuuuure!

>>49503357
but 4/5 Alliance races are good for nothing but lewd

>>49503394
Look at that wet, heaving chest
It was magically enhanced to collect cum

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>>49503357
I can't NOT lewd the alliance. Not while they still have draenei.

>>49503394
reminder that everything that happened to Jaina was a direct result of Arthas not giving her a ring.

>>49503511
A cock ring?

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>>49503394
Alliance is has the most pure lewds!

>>49503530
A wedding ring, you fool!

>>49503843
Bro..
Bro
Never put a ring on crazy
Never stick your dick in crazy
Never even get near crazy
And she's cray cray, man. Like, really really cuhraaaazy
With the sheer amount of sand in her vagina, the elementals she's summoning should be made of sand

Never ever stick your dick in crazy

>>49503876
She used to be so cool tho

>>49503903
Such is the way of Warcraft lore. Everything that is good and decent ultimately gets corrupted into clinically retarded bullshit, including the lore itself.

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>>49503876
>With the sheer amount of sand in her vagina, the elementals she's summoning should be made of sand
obvious issue, yes, yet easily avoided

>>49478123
It probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things to the old gods. Her giving you hints and toying with you doesn't gain or lose anything.

>>49503876
But that's the thing, it's the events that ruined her life, she wasn't fucked up from the start. Besides, all women go wacko when they turn into spinsters

>>49503876
The crazy happened long after Arthas was dead. And her father. And 95% of Lordaeron. And her mentor. And her whole city-state. And Kinndy Sparkshine, her apprentice. And Rhonin. And Krasus' prophecy telling of how she'd go crazy. And Kalec trying to remind her that flooding Orgrimmar would be just like purging Stratholme.

>>49503208
There's a dwarf warrior in Azsuna with Thunderfury. He's part of a shaman quest to revive Thunderaan to get the plane of air's shit sorted. The dwarf is also dead to some generic fel hound rare. Dumbass should've got new gear.

>>49503983
but the purging was objectively the best solution.

>>49504190
It was a setup, there was no good solution - the undead were on their way to ruin Lordaeron the purge only delayed the inevitable. In reality loss of Stratholme would be a lesser loss than Arthas turning on his own nation, but that's hindsight for you.

>>49504225
Stratholme was one of the most populated cities in the world.
If they hadn't purged it, the scourge armies would've been greatly bolstered and they would've been able to push further.


Like 95% of high elves would've died instead of 90%.
Or Gilneas falling.
The The scourge might've been able to push itself to the Thandol Span.

Or the burning legion would've been bolstered enough in Kalimdor that the night elves, horde and alliance would've been overrun.

>>49504225
more like plot contrivance.
People act like the purge of stratholme was this unforgivable event, but at the same time, the horde and the orcs are forgiven wholesale for everything they did on draenor because they were manipulated.

>>49504301
in universe I mean.

>>49504301
Because he wasn't possessed, he was given a choice - it was a trap to lure him, but it relied entirely on his personality being the way it was, had Uther not worn retard hat that day and stopped Arthas from genociding people, like you know, any normal paladin would, instead of running off to Terenas it would have been different. Plot contrivance rests not with the purge or Arthas (who was still a free agent at this point), but people around him and their reactions.

>>49504341
his choice was to give the scourge a huge army that couldn't be stopped or make sure that their souls were not consumed by the scourge.
He had to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea and he chose the lesser of two evils
I was also talking about the frostwolves who didn't partake in the blood drinking.

>>49504190
Arthas, stop shitposting on 4chan. Shouldn't you be getting tortured in the Void?

>>49502535
>CITIZEN OF THE AZEROTH, I, THE ONLY TRUE KING, THE LICH KING SENTENCE THE KIRIN TOR TO DEATH.
>Why
>THEY GOT SARONITE AIDS FROM ARCHERUS.
>What the fuck bolvar?

>>49504431
>don't purge the city because it hurts my feefees.
>the undead now have a massive army that you are ill equipped to deal with.
thanks uther and jaina.

>>49504785
if the prevailing winds over the BI are to the west, then everyone's fucked desu
it's like a giant floating Chernobyl

>>49504431
The void is 4chan.
t. wifeknife

>>49499801
>Garrosh would've been not guilty.

No, he was guilty, he was just never going to be put to death.

>>49503089
>If they do get rid of them, how do you think they'll do it

All the artefacts light up and shoot beams at the last boss using all the collected artefact power, destroying it and themselves.

What's the DC for rolling a Charisma check on the QT undead queen of the Forsaken?

>>49505322
The same you need to prep the bull.

>>49505322
35 unless you have a big human cock, in which case it's 10

>>49505322
Depends on species. Normally for high/blood elves you'd need a 35 check if non-elf, 20 otherwise. However, since she's a Windrunner, she's weak to humans, meaning you only have to beat a DC 10 check. The harder part is putting Blightcaller back where he belongs.

>>49505644
>in which case it's 10
It's not that low, but it is lower due to the Windrunner trait.

>>49505963
hard to say really
the compulsion Windrunners have to get ARATHIED is pretty strong

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>>49506166
That ended up being Sylvanas' class in the finished game, but it's just a PotM with Frost Arrows instead of Searing Arrows.

>>49506166
they were present in the alpha of the game
Also buildable walls.

>>49506295
Why'd they remove those, anyway?

>>49506307
If you could build your own walls, you could cover half the map in walls, aside from a single path, lined with towers, that leads to your base.
It's how I used to play Caesar 3.

>>49506307
probably because they weren't used in multiplayer.
WC2 had buildable walls in multiplayer, but players just built farms to defend their towers.

>>49491598
I actually need to recheck how Wild Gods came to be.

And we still do not know how or when Trolls came to be.

After all, Proto Dragons are elementals that didn't ended up in elemental plane and over time gained fleshy forms.

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>>49474958
>suspenderoni your pepperoni

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>>49478731
>those runes
Not the high elves you're looking for.

>>49496288
what's with the spider?

>>49506599
>And we still do not know how or when Trolls came to be.

Well first there were elementals.
Then came old gods and enslaved elementals.
Olds created their faceless I guess.
Titans found Azeroth and the olds gods, they ripped out ysharj and noticed it wounded azeroth, so they merely imprisoned the others.
The titans left their stuff their to protect the world.

Then after that..
I guess Silithid evolved. Trolls evolved.
Olds gods used silithid to make aqir.
Aqir and Troll empires fought.


I think we sorta know when trolls came to be, but their origin, not really.

>>49506756
>tzeentchs_pet.gif

>>49506937
gnome spider tank

reminder magni is listening to OGs, not azeroth and the pillars will set them free

Speaking of which
>warlords of draenor
nope, final boss is demons
>legion
nope, final boss is old gods

>>49506959
Both N'raqi and Aqir were spawned by Old Gods after their arrival.

Trolls likely were the first sentient race to appear after war against Old Gods was over, as it apparently happened after Well of Eternity was already a thing. Anyway, Titans likely didn't departed from Azeroth's orbit yet.

>>49507744
>Both N'raqi and Aqir were spawned by Old Gods after their arrival.
Right forgot that later retcon

>>49507795
DESU, it was retconning already outdated lore, which was outdated as long ago as in TBC, with Eredar lore.
And it's not like it retconned in game information, as that "history" was on their site.

>>49507846
>it was retconning already outdated lore
That doesn't mean anything.
It's outdated lore because it was retconned.

>>49507961
I don't think it was ever stated as true, and not a speculation.

new thread
>>49508772
>>49508772
>>49508772

>>49503234
Exactly my thoughts, the only somewhat logical solution to the artifacts. Still less retarded than all dragons losing their powers because they stretched too hard that one time.