MtG Kaladesh Spoiler Discussion

>>49351936
Old Thread:
>>49343945

That's actually really good with fabricate

It's almost beginning to look like GU are the energy-matters colors. So where does that leave RG, archetype-wise?

>>49351973
IIRC, didn't they say that there were going to be two energy archetypes? One that builds up a stockpile, the other that generates and uses them in bursts, or something like that?

If so, one could be UG and the other one RG.

>>49351973
energy seems very accessible to every color

it'll be interesting to see how it ends up getting used, seems a lot more prevalent than people are crediting it for being

>>49352054
>energy seems very accessible to every color
Show me two white cards besides that shitty roc that make energy.

>>49352088
doesn't white have fabricate out the ass? stick modules in there. Decoction module alone would be a fabricate staple

>>49352088
Consulate Surveillance and Thriving Ibex.

>>49352016
I don't remember anybody saying that, but it fit what I was thinking wonderfully.

You didnt need a UR legendary in kaladesh for edh because there already is a UR walker that you cant use as a commander, but here is a 12th printing of sol ring and alternate border edition of $1 gearhulks
Buy more packs

>>49352414
>but here's a 12th printing of sol ring with worse art
Honestly going off of art i'd prefer the gearhulks

best one's probably crucible or crypt

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>>49352130
Thats not really a spoiler now is it?

now THIS card pictured right here is a spoiler

Just imagine, 4 mana 10/10 colossus

>>49352427
torrential combustible and verdurous all look better in the regular art

>>49352432
>discard hulk with collective brutality to see if opponent has removal
>reanimate it turn four

I can see it, it's magical christmas land but it's possible.

>>49352432
Might just be me but Mardu artifact-reanimation could be a fun deck.

>>49352432
Or you could just do that normally with Vehicles and other artifacts.

>>49352465
Verdurous looks very different but I think it's still pretty ok

Torrential is a lot "fancier" and yea I prefer the original

I think the design of Combustible is pretty good, but normal art looks better because it' crouching down about to fireball something

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>>49352476
>I can see it, it's magical christmas land

could be pretty easy

>>49352432
My fear is that the red gear hulk is going to instill such fear into people that it'll end up as a 6 mana 6/6 with first strike and ancestral vision.

>>49352521
Combustible is gonna be a personal favorite. I just wish the inventions version didn't look so much clunkier

>>49352538
I'm thinking designing a deck around combustible gearhulk and metalwork colossus is a very real possibility

>>49351973
UG gradually builds a stockpile of energy to spend in big, explosive and game-changing effects.
RG is a toolbox of different self-sufficient cards, allowing you to decide if you'd rather have better spot removal, better creatures on your board or better something else.

>>49351936
So how's UR looking? Or should I go Jeskai instead?

>>49353092
What format?

>>49353100
Standard / limited, since we're talking about spoilers here. I've accepted the fact that UR aggro prowess stuff is kind of my play style, and my I love me some artifacts, ever since mirrodin

>>49353164
As far as I'm aware, there's no sign of UR prowess.

UR is for spamming flying tokens, from what I've seen so far.

>>49353176
Well I want to get chandra, Saheeli Rai, and a fuck ton of energy / artifacts to sling and burn with. White looks really attractive to dip for, especially with all those white artificers.

>>49353213
There doesn't seem to be any clear Jeskai archetype. I guess you could use red and blue to put cards from your hand and library into your graveyard, for the purpose of reanimating big artifacts.

But for that, I'd personally recommend Esper/Mardu for more reanimation options.

>>49353272
I guess I could go mardu madness/ reanimation. I'll try the pre-release and see how the set feels.

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hmm what do i choose here?

>>49353556
Whatever helps most.

>>49353556
Depends on the spell you're targeting, I'd think. Counter on permanents and most other spells your opponents would cast, retarget against opponent removal spells (the energy ones don't work with this though), copy your own spells if you have a million mana or situationally your opponents' spells maybe.

>>49353556
Holy shit that flavor text I'm dying

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>another artificer legend
>mono green
I cant even

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>>49353556
>We meet again, Pyromancer

How does Chandra just not annihilate this dude on sight

Like I know she doesn't have Nissa pumping mana into her but the fact that Nissa, Chandra, and Lili ran from that fight is fucking shameful

That should have been Tezzeret/Dovin vs Gatewatch while standing on the bodies of everyone else

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>>49353673
Think of it as robo-Rhys.

>>49353684
Because he's probably ten times as prepared against pyromancy when he first met her ten years and a horrible full-body scar ago.

>>49353673
Green is pro-artifacts on Kaladesh, so it kinda makes sense.

>>49353556
>8 mana
>have two of these in hand
>only thing on my board is a reckless fireweaver and a trail of evidence
>oppoent casts planar outburst

can i cast one insidious will and then a second one targetting the first one to create another copy of insidious will that targets insidious will and copies it infinitely so i create infinite investigate artifacts tokens that deal 1 damage each?


magical christmasland, but in theory?

>>49353744
I don't know.

>>49353744
Trail of Evidence triggers when you cast a spell; Insidious Will doesn't cast the copy, the copy just sort of spontaneously appears on the stack.

>>49353556
>wild ricochet with a counter clause and color shifted
Ill take it

>>49353772
thanks, knew i missed something about copies

>>49353774
You can't do both copy and new targets like wild ricochet can.

>>49353803
I know, but thats just the closest spell to this new one. Too bad it doesnt have unsubstantiate on that list of modes.

>>49353556
Extreme hypothetical: There's a spell on the stack. I cast Insidious Will, countering it. I then cast another Insidious Will, using the copy mode to copy the first Insidious Will. I then use the copied Insidious Will's copy mode on the first Insidious Will. And so on.

Could I do this and stall a round in FNM to a draw, or is there some rule against forcing an infinite combo that could otherwise end?

>>49353836
It's against the rules to have something infinite in magic.

You have to make up some number.

>>49353836
You cant target a spell with its own ability

>>49353836
I also believe that wouldn't force a draw since it isn't a mandatory loop.

>>49353836
If you make an optional infinite loop, you have to choose a number of iterations and end it. If it is non-optional, the game is a draw

>>49353906
>>49353897
And then if you insisted on doing that repeatedly you would just end up with a slow play warning.

>>49353836
>>49353877
I reread that, you cant intentionally stall for time, if your opponent calls a judge over youll have to pick an amount of copy redirects to do before you yeild the stack to your opponents spell. If you had an ability generating permemants per cast, or a stormchaser mage waiting for prowess pumps you could say that you make 935503 billion triggers and youd just need something to represent that and unless your opponent wanted to respond you will be forced to condense that into one similtanious action. Also there is a 4 mana gotcha that stops infinate stack stuff so save 2 mana for negate or stack vessels and rocks before going this route

>>49353864
>>49353877
>>49353897
>>49353906
>>49353935
Ok, thanks for the explanation.

>>49353988
>If you had an ability generating permemants per cast, or a stormchaser mage waiting for prowess pumps you could say that you make 935503 billion triggers and youd just need something to represent that
Is there anything in the game of Magic that triggers off spells being copied even if they aren't cast, like these wouldn't be?

>>49353988
These are not cast triggers they will do literally nothing there is no combo to be found here.

>>49353988
Copies aren't cast and thus have nothing to do with Prowess, stop making judge calls.

>>49353684
IIRC, didn't Tezz and Dovan bring Gearhulks to that fight? (Still terribly written though I agree)

But yeah, i suspect the confrontation alluded to in this flavortext will have something to do with that art of Nissa and Chandra pressing up against the window of some sort of chamber while screaming, and also the trap referenced in impeccable timing -- Chandra probably isn't in a position to do any burninating.

>>49353836
No, you can't do that.

You can, however, go infinite with Nivmagus Elemental.

>>49353673
Well really, it just makes artifact [creatures], doesn't explicitly care about them.

>>49354078
Yes and in the UR it said that Chandra literally punched one out in one shot which seems wrong considering their relative size.

>>49354078
>that art of Nissa and Chandra pressing up against the window of some sort of chamber while screaming
what

>>49354009
See >>49354092

>>49354092
What exactly makes you think that is possible?

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Creature - Human Artificer
Fabricate 3 (When this creature enters the battlefield, put three +1/+1 counters on it or create three 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.)

Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Master of Marionettes power.

>>49353556
Oh boy it's another unplayable blue card!

At rare wow what a treat!

They should have definitely made this at least cost 2 mana more just for fun

>>49354109
Nivmagus Elemental can exile a copy of an instant or sorcery spell you control to put two +1/+1 counters on itself. Infinite copies on the stack=infinite counters on Nivmagus.

>>49354117
This one isn't as unplayable as the 3 mana counterspell, it at least has versatility.

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>>49354114
>Fabricate 3
>create 4 creatures

just saying, get your playsets while you can

>>49354117

It's totally playable

>>49354128
And what is giving you infinite copies of anything?

>>49354117
I get the impression that they could print "Counter Target spell. Draw 3 cards." at 2UU and people would say it's unplayable for being a 4-cost counter...

>>49354102
Well, three out of five gearhulks are conceivably killable with her present -3 or emblem, and as a planeswalker there's no reason she couldn't have a random X spell up her sleeve for bigger ones

>>49354128
You can't remove any of the spells or the cycle breaks and then you generate no more copies. More or less you can make infinite copies but they all need to resolve.

>>49354117
>Oh boy it's another unplayable blue card!
>Blue players complaining about anything

>>49354137
Yeah it really synergies with that SIX DROP

Kill yourself please

>>49354143
...I totally misread what he was saying, my bad. I thought he was creating an infinite loop of copying, not an infinite loop of countering.

>>49354168
It's been a meme he's pushing since fabricate showed up.

>>49354174
He is making an infinite loop of copying.

But there's only ever two copies on the stack, the original and the one copying the original. When the latter resolves it will just make a new version of the latter and the previous latter won't be on the stack anymore because it had to resolve, of course.

>>49354168
six mana is nothing if you're ramping

>Kill yourself please

please no hurtful words

>>49354021
>>49354017
True, i forgot prowess likes storm not copies.

>>49354189
What are you ramping to with Cryoplith that you need to ramp to a 6 drop and then ramp even more?

Are you hard casting Emrakul in standard with your meme deck?

Really fuck off retard

>>49353684
I don't know, maybe he had a counterspell he cast as he said this...

>>49354231
>Really fuck off retard

stop bullying.


>Are you hard casting Emrakul in standard with your meme deck?

i'm hard casting ulamog, do i really need to spell the turnorder out for you? it's really simple

>>49354114
Hey it's a bulk rare. Just like Graf harvest except weaker.

>>49353836
If you copy a spell on the stack, you don't choose new modes if it has them.

>>49354278
How is that anything like graf harvest?

>>49354297
NooseGRAFmob.

>>49353556
I know he murdered Kiran and gave murdering Chandra a good try, but depending on how the story goes I might start feeling sorry for him.
This asshole has his own set of beliefs, and that he thinks he does his job to keep Kaladeshians safe pretty well.
Then this girl he saw explode shows up and starts flinging fire, he sets up a trap for her which seems to be working
until a giant fucking cat thing oh my god what the fuck bursts out of nowhere and starts cutting people down with a double axe staff
After this block, I just want cards that pop back to kaladesh every so often that just feature a planeswalker ruining his plans somehow, not even dastardly plans.
He's having a picnic with his SO, then Koth pops out of nowhere, REEEEEs about Phyrexians before setting the picnic basket on fire and running off
It's his wedding day when Sarkhan and Narset burst into the chapel, Sarkhan is making dragon noises and summoning dragons while Narset is stacking the apples on a nearby table.
His wife who somehow stuck by him is pregnant. Tibalt's the OBGYN

>>49354117

Nigga what the fuckids does the card have to do for you to think it's playable, suck you off?? This is the best blue counter in years, it's a hard counter, a misdirection or a reverberate, let that sink in

I bet you would have called cryptic Command unplayable when it came out because it was 4 mana and 3 blue

>>49354489

Hell, you probably would have said FoW was unplayable because its either card disadvantage or 5 mana, not only are you monoU shitters annoying you're also shit at evaluating cards

>>49354114
Pretty fun build around me. You drop it as a 4/6 with some artifacts on the board and then just sac them all to murder your opponent.

Why is every Fabricate one number too low to make the creature playable?

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>>49354819
Ain't nothin' wrong with a 3/3 for three. And, I mean, Snapping Drake: the Artificering isn't amazing, but it works.

>>49353556
Shoulda been UUU

>>49352414
There's no build around commander for UR artifact theme

>>49354819
panharmonicon

>>49354114

The only good combo with this guy is some kind of mass clue generation.

Being able to deal 4 every time you sack a clue is pretty damn strong, especially with how easy clues are to make

>>49355282

In standard sure. But in older formats you can tutor up this guy with Protean Hulk and a bunch of X artifacts with toughness 0 and maybe a bunch of 0 cmc ones and then just sac them all

>>49354253
You're fucking retarded.

>>49352538
You're acting as if ETB Ancestral Recall is a bad thing.

>>49354114
>In response to your board wipe, I'll give my guy +4/+4

>>49352414
>Gearhulks
>$1
Anon, when a deck needs 4 of a mythic, that mythic is not a $1 mythic.

>>49352414
Never seen so many complaints about a "missing" commander this spoiler season.

Didn't know the format was this popular.

>>49354114
If you could pay to sacrifice artifact creatures it would be good.

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>>49355463

Psst.

>>49353684
>kill two Eldrazi titans
>run away from an artificer, a planeswalker, and some mundane guards

>>49355548
It's not put into the graveyard because it's a token, m8.

>>49356367

>"I don't know how to play magic"

Tokens ARE put into the graveyard you fucking dingus

They are then removed again immediately when it checks state actions are checked.

So yes, Clue tokens do trigger the ability.

>>49354114
damn this card is shit and everyone who thinks it's playable should reconsider what tcg he should play

>>49356367

Tokens do change zones

>110.5f A token that’s phased out, or that’s in a zone other than the battlefield, ceases to exist. This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.)

Here's a concrete example:

>"Teysa, Orzhov Scion has the ability: "Whenever another black creature you control dies, put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying onto the battlefield." "Dies" means precisely "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield" (rule 700.6). If you have a black creature token that gets destroyed, it will go to the graveyard, trigger Teysa's ability, then disappear, and finally the ability will be put on the stack. However, the token cannot be the target of spells or abilities whilst in the graveyard."

>>49355548
The point is for her to have the ability herself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRHvARONqzk
WOO!

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>>49354117

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I know he was spoiled few days ago but isn't this guy like good in standard in a artifacts deck?

I mean you can, with his trigger on the stack, tap a creature to put it into a vehicle to draw a card.

The hexproof part is quite relevant as well if(I'm making shit up now) for example you want to cast a pump or eldritch evolution.

Not worth making its own thread for but can someone explain to me why pros are whining about the new worlds invite system? What's changed?

>>49356780
Who are you and why do you have my picture?

>>49356542

>WOO!

You mean "POO!"

>>49356848
> tap a creature to put it into a vehicle to draw a card.

What? It's "if you control the artifact",not artifact creature.

>>49356848

>He

>>49356932
Ah, ye.

Well that's even better.

>>49354114
oh now we're getting somewhere

>>49355578
Mtg lore is inconsistent shit nowadays, and by nowadays I mean for more than a decade.

>>49352533
America with this, that, and red hulk?

>>49358001
aw yiss, reflector mage + this

>>49358049
>America
>red hulk
We marvel now

>>49353272
>>49353176
I don't think UR's whole thing is going to be 'spamming' thopters, although it might use them as a key strategy point. White is already going to be a tokens color, so if you wanted to make a thopter token deck you would want to include cards like Master Trinketeer.

>>49358001
>A better fiend hunter.

I thought we would never get improved versions of old cards.

>>49358240
See Whirler Virtuoso. That's the archetype that they want for UR.

>>49358288
Isn't it worse than Fiend Hunter due to not working with blink shenanigans to permanently exile stuff? Dwarfs are a less relevant creature type than Humans too, although it is easier to cast with only 1 white symbol.

I get that wotc wants to have a fancy new planeswalker for each plane, but why are they just not doing anything with them? You'd think they'd want to

Milkwalker showed up in the last few seconds of the first and one of the last stories on innistrad and did jack fuck.

Saheeli's done more though, I think.

>>49358288
It's 2W instead of 1WW but you can't use it to do stuff with your own guys

>>49358319
Milkwalker was literally added as filler for color balance

>Milkwalker
What?

>>49358319
They want to have characters set up for later if need be. Tamiyo and Kiora got bumped from C List to B List. Who knows what'll happen with Dack Fayden, Vraska, Arden, Tibalt, Indian chick, etc. later on. They will appear again when they need a plot device.

>>49358346
Yea but they usually do this.

Narset sort of had shit going on, but iirc Ashiok just sort of sat around.

>>49358367
I typo'd milfwalker.

>>49358376
Don't forget Nissa going from literally who to the face of green.

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You already have your playsets right? I hope /tg/ isnt THIS bad at magic. Such an obvious archetype coming up and these ones are going to sky rocket.

>>49358388
whats the deck that'll play them?
and why would it?

>>49358316
That's what I saw, yeah, but like I'm saying it's a bit weird with the fact that white clearly has a tokens theme somewhere; UR 's guy being a token generator does not mean that that archetype is necessarily "token SPAM."

Sometimes a token is just good to have, even outside of token spam archetypes. It doesn't make sense to make U/R the "token spam" archetype and then put all the anthem effects in white. So it's more possible by my estimation that UR is an archetype that wants thopters in some capacity other than wanting them to blot out the sun.

>>49358388
You spent $7 on a meme, congrats

>>49358388
I do but mine are German - Kriptolith Ritus

>>49358401
fabricate panharmanicon ramp decks

>>49358388

FUCK

OFF

DESO

YOUR FUCKING PET MEME CARD ISN'T GONNA BE A THING

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>>49358388
>have 1 creature out
>3 mana
>tap creature for mana
>play kiora +1 untap land and creature
>can now tap creature for mana again
>kiora literally costing 1 mana to play

>>49358531

>Need to have 4 mana on the field to cast it
>"Literally costing 1"

No.

>>49358482
>casual jank not-combo
okay, enjoy your cheap casual deck bro.

>>49358482
into.. what exactly?

you do know Kozilek's Return is one of the big spells right now?

>>49358566
>Got a kozilek's return in pre-release
>Usually just sell all my shit there

>It's $12 now
damn

>>49358566
but anon, i thought red was terrible

>>49358585
Kozilek's Return is colorless, anon :^)

>>49353556
I can't tell if i like our hate this card. The versatility is really nice, but i don't know if i could ever really see myself paying 4 mana for one of those effects and being happy.

>>49358585
that seems to be a hot meme on here since wotc isn't reprinting actual lightning bolt

>>49352016
i assume there'll be two different energy pairs, with rg being energy aggro/beatdown and gu being more controly, or at least playing for value and the long game, similar to the contrast between br madness and ub madness in soi.

>>49358585

It is.

Kozi's Return is the only above average red card currently in standard.

It's also a card that contributes exactly dick to burn or aggro strategies (You know, the things Red is supposed to be good at) and is only good for being splashed in Emerge decks.

>>49358602
touché.

>>49358676
Hard control is being taken away from blue and hard burn is being taken away from red.

Both archetypes are being neutered to keep the WGx muh-creatures master race happy.

>>49358703
hard control is for faggots, is why

at least burn usually requires you interact with the board sometimes

>>49358726
>control doesn't interact with the board

Get me some milk, anon, these memes are too spicy

>>49358769
>Drinking milk with spicy things
>Not eating bread

>>49358388
>Spending money on a playset of enchantment
>The enchantment doesn't even stack
You're so obviously bad at magic.

>>49358777
Carbs are bad m'kay

>>49358531
It doesn't literally cost 1, it effectively costs 1 + Kiora ability of the turn.

Just like the new chandra, it doesn't effectively costs 2, it is 2 + chandra ability of the turn.

>>49358288
He is worst than Fiend Hunter and you would know that if you have ever played with or against Hunter

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>Indian-themed set
>gets a wipe

>>49358827
Gas the Grems

>>49358841
Trafficker of what? Artifacts? Why would a trafficker of artifacts destroy his own merchandise?

>>49357990
but we need le Planeswalker Superheroes to sell packs to standard kiddies and EDH players.

>>49358863
To get away from someone killing him, is why.

>>49358827
This one's great and actually worth the 1 more mana, especially in Bad Cards: the Format, now more Midrange edition.

>>49358863
He's trading artifacts to gain power

>>49358827
Oh, I like this.

>>49358863
really depends on what you need trafficked.

>>49358827
>four Fumigate
>four White-an
>four Planar Outburst

Why? So I can see the look on the memerange faces when I cast my eighth bord wipe in a row and do nothing else that turn.

>>49358841
They HAD to make it cost mana, didn't they? How can they still be scared shitless of Ravager that they nerf something that has nothing in common besides sacrificing Artifacts?

>We will never get back a Destroy all Non Lands permanents.

>>49358827
>just 1 mana more than wrath of god
Well it will be great for standard, subpar on any other format.and i don't play standard

>>49353793
>thanks, knew i missed something about copies
Just this copy effect, though. Some effects like Isochron Scepter let you create copies you can then cast for free.

>>49358388
>>49358530
>>49358783
Its not nearly as bad as you guys imply it is. It basically reads "spells you cast have convoke", which makes it pretty powerful.

The only real problem with this card is that its dead in multiples, but there's no reason why a multitude of standard decks wouldn't run 2 or 3. It could even see Modern play in some ramp / tokens decks.

>>49358827
Has wotc made an official statement on 4 mana sweepers not being printed ever again? Not complaining I really like this and think its the best sweeper they printed since verdict.

>>49358917
>We will never get another "Destroy all lands" card
I just want a Ruination reprint
;_;

>>49358916
Sac outlets without a mana cost are haram in modern design.

>>49358919
>>Well it will be great for standard, subpar on any other format.and i don't play standard
The whole set in one sentence

>>49358942
>>We will never get another "Destroy all lands" card
good

>>49358827
In this format specifically 5 mana might be preferable over 4 mana simply to get around spell queller.

>>49358916
Well, it also gets a +1/+1 counter.
Factor in Indestructible and it'd be a better black ravager had they not made it cost mana.

>>49358945
We just had Nantuko Husk in Origins.

>>49358388
>Rito de Criptolito
This makes me want to laugh.

>>49358841
how much do you think itll cost?

>>49358960
Cuck

>>49358970
Have you seen what some French or German cards look like?

>>49358926
except convoke didn't give a shit about summoning sickness. what any deck wants to do with cryptolith rite is play something that poops tokens and then immediately tap them to play more things, but you can't, which is why it sucks.

>>49358977
>waaaah why can't i stop people from playing the game anymore

>>49358960
git gud scrub, play yugioh if you don't wanna deal with resource denial and wanna summon big dragons

>>49358975
1B

>>49358827
holy shit a better planar outburst

where's muh languish wizzers?

>>49358941
>Has wotc made an official statement on 4 mana sweepers not being printed ever again?
Pretty sure MaRo said that "destroy all creatures" effect are now 5CMC. You can still have 4 CMC boardwipe like languish but not wrath.

>>49358966
Wanna know how I know you have never played with Ravager?

>>49358992
>Waaah i hate when people play with the best strategy to win!!!
Thank you for ruining the game, little timmy

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reprint when?

>>49359004

>holy shit a better planar outburst

Eeeeeeh.

Getting that big beater in the late game can be really relevant.

>>49359011
Because what makes ravager strong is modular and its ability to sac itself to move its power onto other things in case of removal? And also the deck built to facilitate it of course.

Oh, and, not that guy, btw

>>49359023
You're welcome.

>>49358916
>>49358945
maro has stated that by requiring an additional mana cost, it makes the game have more real decisions. you can't just always sac in response because why wouldn't you? it's not purely a power level cocern. that's not to say they aren't underestimating how much weaker the mana cost makes some abilities, however.

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>>49358979

>>49359010
Thats saddening but makes sense given the direction they want to go.

>>49359023
Spike made the game shit for long enough, time for someone else to step up.

>>49359037
Pretty much this, but he also has a colorless cost and is an Artifact itself.

>>49359023
>land destruction
>best strategy to win
Top kek

>>49359055
wurmspiralmaschine will always sound like some anime mecha call-out to me. and it will never stop sounding awesome.

>>49359011
Don't be like that anon.

You know asking for boost + Indedtructible at instant speed for 0 mana was too much.

>>49354358
>40 keks.jpg

Though what's an OBGYN?

White is looking the strongest so far, next week whole set gets spoiled?

>>49359048
>maro has stated that by requiring an additional mana cost, it makes the game have more real decisions

so maro being a clueles hack and timmy cocksucker as usual, no?

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>>49359083
How do you feel about the token from Theros?

>>49359090
shouldn't you be in school, kid?

>>49359090
vagina doctor

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>>49359092
Tomorrow.

Full spoiler is a week before pre-release

>>49359093
Don't be so mad, anon.

>>49359027
Probably at return to theros.

>>49358388
I got mine since SoI, but which deck will use them in the new standard?

>>49359090
Obstetrician/Gynecologist

A vagina/womb/fenale reproductive system doctor

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>>49359071
Fucking casuls
>>49359079
There is a reason why stripmine is banned in all formats and restricted in vintage. same for balance.
but you sure are a modernfag baby

>>49358970
Why is Spanish just taking real words and adding an O at the end? Fucking stupid language.

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>>49359055
French Wurmcoil Engine is annoying as fuck to pronounce

>>49359011
Arcbound Ravager is like a fairy godmother. It sits on your shoulder and says 'You play badly, but I don't care. I still love you.'

>>49359124
None will, it's a meme this guy has been pushing for weeks.

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>>49359152
French gore house is just annoying because of its name

At least they have a better word for lifelink than "levensverknupfung"

>>49354114
>Master of Marionettes
>not Master of Puppets

>>49359185
It's not the official name.

I'm still sad his name isn't Demon of Shady Schemes

>>49359152
>>>49359055
French is annoying as fuck to pronounce
fixed

>>49358863
This is why I find the aetherborn amusing. None of their effects really fit their flavor like the short lived aetherborn really have no idea what the fuck they're doing half the time.
They're like mobsters who have cornered the market on littering by cleaning up the streets.

>>49359192
also "Night Owl" becoming "Midnight Oil"

>>49359192
He'll always be the real slim shady to me.

>>49359199
How long do you think an Aetherborn can extend their life?

Wotc said max normal lifespan was 4 years, how old is Gonti?

>>49358827
Does anyone else feel like the flavor is a little odd here? The lifegain seems to be coming out of nowhere. I think it could've been done better as a Black card.

>>49359206
Have you never heard the expression "burning the midnight oil"

>>49359228
What if gonti is like the dread pirate roberts.

>>49358863
Sacrificing the artifact represents selling it off in this scenario.

>>49359231
I have. I know it's an expression, I just liked the card name "Night owl" better.

I guess it makes more sense for the effect since you're "burning" your hand size away.

>>49359230
Card seems black to me, but white is supposed to be the board wipe color and the lifegain color so here we are

>>49359197
Not when you are French

>>49358377
Ashiok is an artifact of Maris Dark Jace concept.

that's back before story and design were as involved as they are now

>>49359265
We had 3 French anons last night saying how retarded the type line is in French so they just all buy English products.

If they ever reprint Seton's Scout with its oracle text they're going to have to REALLY squeeze in that type line for French people.

>>49359148
It's the descendent of Latin doing the same thing with -us

>>49359228
So, they are all underaged kids? Wtf, wotc, promoting death of children and newborns.

>>49359313
Aetherborn life span ranges from 4 months to 4 years

>>49358863
He melts down your artifact into a counter for himself
it costs 1 mana

>>49359313
They just age really fast. They're created at they're equivalent of like 16, and die at their equivalent of 30. Gonti's lived a while, at their equivalent of 40

>>49359027
>tfw playing Bearer and Flash in the same EDH deck
I've cast it 3 times now as permanents-fags were going off with their combos.
3 times the entire table has looked at me like they were going to murder my shit in

>lel collected company at 8$-9$
>sold mine at 80$ each a month ago

best deal ever, plus I can buyback a set now

>>49359346
>>49359362
>"they age fast"
No, they don't. If they lived 4 years, that is how old it is, don't bring me your "my dog is actually 70 years old" argument.

>>49359400
how retarded, meant to say 80$ a set

>>49359402
I didn't say they age fast.

Also "my dog is actually 70 years old" is a real thing, it's just not strictly 7 years per year. Their development is a lot different from ours, as is Aetherborn.

>>49359400
It will never beat my best deal, a Knight of the reliquary(DD) for a Grove of the Burnwillows(FtV).

I also bought a playset of Kaalia's when they were $5 each.

>>49359402
I picked youngish "ages" because it's the best way to get an idea of what their quality is from start to finish.
"They're born 16" means that when they're born they're not the most stable but are plenty nuts and their entire lives they're pretty much at their prime, until they start falling apart after their prime, which is usually 30.
The ages are a frame of reference for us, not for them.

>>49358827
"The Consulate is spraying chemtrails over us all! Open your eyes sheeple!"

>>49359400
>>49359436
I traded a piece of gum for a black lotus ;)

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With the cards shown off in this set so far, is it possible to build pic related as a viable wincon?

>>49359481
>Not an artifact
No

>>49359481
why would it be

>>49359436
thats a good deal m8.

The only good deal i had was buying goblin guides for cheap in an old antique store a few months ago. The owner was an old man and didnt know they were 40$ each in that time and I paid 5$ for a set.

Felt bad for the first 5 minutes but then got 140$ from a fat redneck at my lgs.

>>49359390
>U/W fag has an entire deck of counterspells and prison BS out
>hasn't even been recurring them, he just happens to run about every counterspell in existence, has cast almost all of them by this point
>controls the shit out of the game and one-shots the R/G guy with an army of angels
>R/G guy Fogs
>U/W Pact of Negations it
>RIP R/G bro
>At U/W's end step, I sacrifice Bearer of the Heavens to Goblin Bombardment and win on U/W's upkeep to the Pact trigger
shoulda read the field better, buddy

>>49359416
>Also "my dog is actually 70 years old" is a real thing
But it's not true. No dog lives for 70 years.Just because something dies faster, it doesn't mean time is faster for them.

>>49359481
wait for amonkek, it'll have enchants matter theme

>>49359514
It doesn't mean they literally live 70 years you dumb fuck, it's just a comparison because their life spans are much shorter than humans.

>>49359500
>>49359436
Holy shit, and I thought I was doing good because I sold an Abrupt Decay for $20 at the pre-release.

>>49359511
>Not runing platinum angel
What a shit UW deck

>>49359524
BFZ will be out when Amonkhet comes in

>>49359514
my dog stayed in my family for 17 years before passing away.

>>49359553
>standard

>>49359524
>egiptian plane
>not having a graveyard theme
Return of Dredge confirmed

>>49359500
>40$ each =160$ a set
>getting 140$ instead

never do business again anon. Clearly you suck at it.

>>49359575
>implying wizards like dredge
It's going to be GW giant creatures again.

>>49359562
>Trying to play Hedron Alignment in any other format

>>49359527
That's exactly why it's retarded. It is just a comparison, not the real thing. If an aetherborn is 4yo, it is 4yo, not 30 whatever that you are trying to claim them to """""actually""""" be.

>>49359559
I don't know what this has anything to do with the discussion, but that dog lived pretty long, which is usually a sign that it was well cared, my condolences.

>>49359595
>Commadner

>>49359576
I dont see a problem here. The fat redneck probably lowered the price a bit.

Clearly the one who dont have a fucking idea about business is you anon.

>>49359596
>It is just a comparison, not the real thing. If an aetherborn is 4yo, it is 4yo, not 30 whatever that you are trying to claim them to """""actually""""" be.
I just said they aren't "actually" 50 or whatever, it's just a comparison.

The original guy's comparison doesn't seem to far enough. They seem to be born around a "late teen" style of development, and then whether or not they "grow up" is kind of dependent on the person.

>>49359481
Delve is gone, you missed your chance ages ago.

>>49359595
>not playing it in legacy to win by exiling your hedron alignment to cast a force of will.

>>49359597
>Trying to play a card that requires you to have 4 of them in your deck in commander

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Is this the biggest guy in standard?

>>49359596
Thought it was normal a dog lived for around 15 years. Which rae was it anon? a big one or a small one?

For some reason, small races tend to live longer.

>>49359644
Dies to removal :)

>>49359644
>Doesn't cost 4U
Nope

>>49359637
That's the joke

>>49359644
It's a big guy.

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>>49359667

>>49359390
Why wouldn't you wait until they finished dumping their hands?

>>49359662
But it's uncounterable so it's immune.

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>>49359683

>>49356542
has the shiny burd at 0:49 been spoiled yet

i like the shiny burd

>>49359661
Normally dogs live around 8-1 years dependig on many factors. Its kind of amusing a dog lived 17 years since it would be like having over 100 years in human age.

>>49359575
>selling at the same price of star of jew and CK
kill yourself plz. You dont know shit about business.

>>49359661
Smaller ones lives less. The oldest dog I knew lived for 16 years.

Check this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_dogs
17 is pretty long.

>>49359667
You mean "Doesn't cost UUUU"

>>49359696
This was late in the game and it was a token fag making his "Lmao huge board of tokens gonna kill you so hard next turn"

>>49359708
Was getting controlled of part of its plan?

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>>49359727
Lot of loyalty counters for a hired planeswalker

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>>49359750
Tell me about chaplain, why does he wear the mask?

>>49359750
If I ult you on 6, would you die?

>>49359750
Is this the one of the shitty decks for casuls and newfags?

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Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man, before throwing him out of a plane?

Rise of the GW Token?

Btw a friend of mine wants to play MtG. He knows basic stuff and he is interested on the PW precon decks. How the fuck should I tell him to convince those decks are bad as fuck?

>>49359721
Wow fuck, 17 years is twice what my dog lived. Are you rich or are into genetics anon?

>>49359783
It will be very painful

>>49359805
>How the fuck should I tell him to convince those decks are bad as fuck?
You shouldn't
They will (probably) be good for a new player

>>49359805
If he wants to play at FNM then that is the argument you should use. The decks are not competitive and he will get stomped for sure. If that's not a concern of his and he doesn't mind losing casual games then it might even be good for him

>>49359805
If you want to be a good friend, you should buy one of those same decks and play with him using it. If you'd rather not waste the money, make a deck of similar power using your own cards.

>>49359812
Anon, you and everyone on tg know those decks are fucking terribad.
I dont want him go into a lgs and get kicked so hard he just quit playing.my older friends quit playing already and i feel so lonely

>>49359797
No

>>49359802
>tfw Wizards won't make a game set on Kaladesh where you fly an airship into the wild to gather Aether for the consul
>have to kill sky-whales and dragons and fly through dangerous enviroments
>later get to discover uncharted areas of the "Aethersphere" that no-one has gone to before
>As you go higher it becomes more and more like the deep sea
>Discover that all around kaladesh is basically a huge tear in reality that the blind eternities leaks in through

>>49359839
>Anon, you and everyone on tg know those decks are fucking terribad.
>No list, no playtest yet
>They are terribad
Yea, sure

>I dont want him go into a lgs and get kicked so hard he just quit playing.my older friends quit playing already and i feel so lonely
Explain him that the deck is good to learn but not to play competitively

>>49354114
Well Disciple of the Vault for 6 that brings 3 artifacts seems pretty shit to be honest.

Be honest with yourself, 3 mode dudes is the mode you will play this as, and at that point you are just paying 1BB instead of B for a Disciple that dodges shocks.

>>49359855
Wizards basically came out and said the decks are awful because they don't want experienced players buying them and keeping them out of the hands of new players, their target audience for this product

a dog living 17 years? that soundslike bs to me.

proof or fuck off

>>49359839
You should understand that the decks aren't for competitive play but for learning.

Does he want to get into competitive play from the very beginning or is he interested in learning first?

>>49359805
Let him buy the precon and then stomp his fucking face in with vintage dredge.

That will teach the little fucker to be ignorant.

>>49359855
>Yea, sure
Look, Maro and friends designed them to be shit tier on purpose. Like they practically got together and asked: "What mana cost would this be fair at? Now add 2 to it." for everything in the deck.
Then told us "Don't worry, they're for beginners, not actual decent players.

>>49359874
Then just let the new player buy one

>>49359090
b&

>>49359896
We don't have the list yet

>>49359802
We FFXIV now. Bismarck baby.

>>49359899
No one is arguing against that, but to say "you can;t know the deck is bad before it comes out" when we've been explicitly told it's made badly on purpose is asinine

>>49359925
It is bad but we don't know how bad
You should let the new player buy it

>>49359914
It doesn't matter. See >>49359925
When Maro explicitly says "We have purposefully made it bad, as a joke." Then you can expect it to be pretty bad.

>>49359805
Let him pick out the one he likes and then buy the other one to play against him, you cheap cunt

>>49359575

Dredge is already a top deck in standard, where have you been

>>49359108
>>49359912
Nope, not banned. I had just never seen someone call a Gynecologist an OBGYN

>>49359109
>>49359125
Thanks.

>>49359957
"OBGYN" stands for "obstetrician-gynecologist," it's just a shortening

>>49354358
Honestly it seems like the protagonists in this block are fucking terrorists, not "plucky rebels that we should all identify with and rally behind" like Wizards seems to want

>>49359990
That's because right now we're only seeing the bright happy shit
Aether Revolt is going to e the one to showcase all the oppressive bullshit behind the scenes

>>49359946
You don'tknow real dredge man

>>49359990
Tezzeret is Head Judge
We're pretty sure there is something wrong

>>49360054

I play legacy storm and saying a deck type isn't the real thing because it's not the legacy or vintage equivalent is stupid, also they will never reprint dredge as a mechanic so your "real dredge" will only exist in eternal

Notice how the control shitters shut up because they just printed some amazing control spells, they won't say anything though because that requires them admitting they were wrong

>>49360208
>amazing control spells
????

>>49360208
>Still no good counter spells
>Still no good removal
One halfway-decent board wipe does not constituted "amazing control spells"

>>49360213

>5 mana board wipe that gives you life
> cancel, misdirection or fork fork for 4 mana
>3 mana counter target spell return a reflector mage you control to its owners hand

>>49360208
>>49360230
More importantly than those is the lack of good card draw.

>>49360256

There is plenty of good card draw in standard you fuck head it's just not instant speed which is good, wizards doesn't want there to be no negative to just drawing and passing the turn because it makes the game not fun, you actually have to fucking think about the game instead of, I'll just hold up a Counterspell and if he doesn't cast anything ill just draw a bunch of cards

>>49360251
>>5 mana board wipe that gives you life
We already had a 5cmc board clear, there's nothing to talk about. It's a nice card I guess? But Bant decks can just side in a negate so you can't even slam your board wipe on 5 mana.

>> cancel, misdirection or fork fork for 4 mana
>4 mana
Clearly you know nothing about control. It's a good card yes, but 4CMC+ counterspells are your luxury utility cards for lategame. There's isn't decent cheap counters to support you until you reach 4cmc.

>>3 mana counter target spell return a reflector mage you control to its owners hand
And without a Reflector mage magically on the field it's "Counter that eats a clue at best and sets you back a land drop at worst".

>>49360308
This explains why tons of creatures now have Haste and/or Flash, right?

Because, of course, just vomiting your hand onto the battlefield with extremely pushed cheap creatures is SOOOO thought-inducing

>>49360343
What creatures with haste actually matter right now?

>>49360308
>There is plenty of good card draw in standard you fuck head it's just not instant speed
So, it's bad card draw. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>49360360
There's a 4/4 for 3 with haste in Kaladesh.
HEARTLESS SUMMONING

Will control and burn ever be a thing in standard or those who play those colors (red and blue) are screwed?

>>49360402

Control is a thing anon, just not a blue one.

>>49360343

Tripfag go back to pol, not only is your personality cancer but your ability to evaluate cards is as well, youre like a cross between the fat draw go guy and the fat nazi

>>49360377
>There's a 4/4 for 3 with haste in Kaladesh.
It's not out yet and who even knows if red is going to bed good, but point made I guess.

>>49360421
>unironically being mad at """/pol/""" ideas
You're a complete cuck and deserve death more than the filthy xenos do.

>>49360414
>MFW Theros/RtR was best standard for control.
>mfw the meta is fuking infested with bant and BW decks
>mfw white and gree have the best things
>mfw red and blue have shit cards to play with and the best ones have white on it.

Call me when this shit is over.

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>>49359688
Your memes are weak.

>>49360441

/pol/ is filled with actual fucking retards, even if I hate sjw and Muslims they're literally just as bad, if not worst

>>49360457

That standard was fucking awful, the deck took no fucking brains to pilot, it was just counter everything you do and even if I fucked up and some things got through just spinx's Rev and go back to fucking 20 love

>>49358288
hey i found the guy who started playing during BFZ!

>>49360457
>Call me when this shit is over.

No, find another game to play and stop shitting this place. You won't be missed.

>>49360509
>it was just counter everything you do and even if I fucked up and some things got through just spinx's Rev and go back to fucking 20 love
Except when you die on turn 5 to mono-black that stripped your removal with thoughsieze, dumped a rat or two and dropped Gary for lethal.

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>>49360457
Hard control is never coming back, wotc and rosewater confirmed.

Go shit up some other game.

>>49360308
>I'll just hold up a Counterspell and if he doesn't cast anything ill just draw a bunch of cards
This.
This is the worst aspect of control.
This is why control will never have a cheap universal counterspell.
This is why Dig Through Time was such a massive mistake.

>I'll just counter everything you try to cast until you run out of cards in hard ( forcing every deck to have some form of card draw in addition to the draw step ) and draw even more counterspells when you don't cast anything.
And once they have enough mana to counter spell and play their finisher it's over with.

Control as counter/draw/go is a shitty unfun archetype and I'm glad wizards is doing away with it.