/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>49333523

Do Commlinks just come with a program slot?

and I wasn't really looking for it to do hacking, more the mundane stuff. That being said, if I stick a Dongle on it as well, could it hack then?

>>49333551
>Do Commlinks just come with a program slot?
No.

What vehicles/drones does your Rigger use?

>>49334044

How do I get a program slot in a Commlink, with which to stick an Agent?

>>49334152
ones appropriate to the task at hand?

>>49334203
Well sure, but I doubt you have a copy of every single drone and vehicle. Sooooo, what do you use?

Yekka, guy who was having strange crashes trying to open characters last thread
>>49326170

Here's the uploaded chummer files
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=07528449793297043895

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=56278459956940560509

>>49334252
Steel Lynxes with hot-swappable weapons, armor and equipment modules...

and a motor-cycle modded with several auto-turreted LMGs

Would you say characters with the regeneration power are tankier or characters with a pain editor+lots of damage resist dice?

>>49333551
Thats not how you use a dongle, you dingle

>>49334306

Regeneration won't save you from a big damage spike.

>>49334330
So is regeneration ever worth taking, considering you have to give up most augs unless they're deltaware and I don't think you can use geneware either?

>>49334339

It can still save you from overflow, both physical and stun, so there is that.

Another thing to consider is that you can't regenerate attacks from magic? Might want to double check that.

>>49334381
That's true, you can't regenerate from damage caused by weapon foci, combat spells, adept powers, critter stuff, etc.

>>49334178
By hardwiring in a cyberdeck module.

>>49334306
Regeneration makes you horrifyingly survivable. It's arguably the best PC-accessible effect in the game. Still wear as much armor as possible regardless.

My players are going camping in the wilderness of Cascadia. What Fun™ critters and/or paracritters are native to the region around Seattle? What complications might arise once they stake out their campground?

Inb4 sleeping on a native burial ground, that's already planned.

>>49334502
But if your stun track gets one-shot, after the combat turn would you just come back to consciousness if your regen gives you at least one box of stun back?

>>49334528
Yes. Play dead. Or if the shooters are competent, start running.

>>49334601
Well, hopefully my initiative is higher—actually, what happens to initiative if that happens? Could I get up next turn and attack them or start running?

>>49334528
>>49334601
It's something to talk with your GM about, as unconsciousness is really shittily written about in 5e.

>>49334520

The most dangerous things in Cascadia are the Redneck Hippies and the fairies.

Seriously, don't fuck with fairies.

>>49334937
are we talking drakengard fairies here, or dick ass sidhe fairies

or both

>>49335014

Well they're invisible and they can fly, so you're in trouble either way.

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Gets chummers.

So you finally made it! You finished your first run and got a cool paycheck. The Johnson even threw in a bonus! So what do you spend that hard earned Nuyen on first?

>>49335116

10 cheap prostitutes.

>>49335116

Ammo.

>earns enough money to get out of the life
>spends it all on more ammo for the next run

>>49335116
As many doses of K-10 as I can afford.

I then inject them all at once into my carotid.

>>49335116

First: I'm gonna buy a month of a lifestyle that isn't squatting in a basement.

Then: I'm gonna talk to my dealer about some drugs.

Finally: I'm gonna invite the whole group over to my housewarming Party

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>>49335116

>>49335116
Whatever lifestyle I happen to be using and then the rest on drugs.

Not to use, mind you. I just want to fill a room floor to ceiling with drugs. Literally.

>>49334643
It gets rerolled at the start of every round, as normal.

The real power of Regeneration, though (aside from it taking way longer to actually put you down for good) is that you show up to every fight fresh. Normal warriors show up to each new encounter with chips taken out of their health along the way.

>>49335116
One expensive prostitute.

>>49335230
But if it's full floor to ceiling, how will you dive in like Scrooge McNovacoke?

>>49335116
Companion Drone.
I've been wanting one for an age.
Jam it full of sensors and skill programs.

>>49335285
Horizontally, chummer!

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>>49335306
Little Buddy, or Proletarian?

>>49335116
squirrel it away in my ally spirit fund so that i wont be so lonely one day..

>>49335116

Y'know, I've always wanted a venom gland.

>>49335332
Direktionssekretar.

>>49335404
Venom gland + spurs is a great investment, chummer.

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>>49335332
Little Buddy.
I'm an old man.
I'm not going to degenerate into drone fucking in my last few years.

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>>49335410
That's not a companion, that's a PDA on legs. At least get an i-Doll with Realistic Features so you can-

>>49335476
Fine, be that way.

>>49335116
First things first, refill the drink dispenser on my gun.

Second, renew my subscription to That's So Sparkeldog, cry about missed opportunities again

Third, get something nice for the Drone.

Four, get some fucking monowire for the windows to keep the gangers out.

Five, get some more blood bags to replace the ones I used up during the run.

Six, forget I need to replace my expired Freeze Foam, get drunk instead

>>49335476
>degenerate
More like ascend into a purer kind of fucker.

>>49335310
With enough Jazz, anything in possible.

>>49335534
You can give the Direktionssekretar Realistic Features 4 and it'll have a higher Pilot and better Autosofts than the i-Doll.

You know, if you were into that kind of thing.

>>49335560
And then you can give it Agility and Strength 8 limbs, spurs, hydraulic jacks, a smuggling compartment to store a hardwired RCC that runs Rating 6 autosofts and... shit, wait, now it's the party's new Street Samurai and not just a fuckdoll.

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>>49335536
>Four, get some fucking monowire for the windows to keep the gangers out.

The Ferret drones from R5 are great for that. Cheap, already armed with tasers, and easily released via doggy door in Swarms. and I'm not saying that it's easy to switch out the taser with a Light Fire 70 and give some persistent fragger the surprise of his life, but I know a guy...

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>>49335116

Cliché but classic.

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>>49335560
Basically, >>49335589

The entire point of buying a drone to fuck is that you don't want the hassle of dealing with something smart. It only needs one Autosoft, and 3 Pilot is plenty to use it.

>>49335179
>>49335230

Speaking of Lifestyles, how often do you guys pay rent? Once per session? Once per completed job? Or do you guys actually track the passage of time on a monthly basis?

>>49335560

Listen mate, all it takes is a one decker who knows his ones from his zeroes and your precious fuck doll is going to put her thumbs in your eyes mid thrust and player hungry hungry hippos with your frontal lobe.

>>49335660

We keep a running tab of actual time spent in game. We pay once a month.

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>>49335660
>Or do you guys actually track the passage of time on a monthly basis?

Of course we do. The entire point of monthly payments is to schedule shit. You know how much work you have to do, and how long you have to do it, before the landlady comes and breaks your kneecaps for being late.

If you pay every session/run, there's no pressure to take that shitty job so you have cash in hand in three days, and no relief when you work 3 jobs back to back and you build up a financial buffer to keep you safe for a while as you pay for some sweet mods for the Northstar.

>>49335116

A nicer suit.

>>49335747
>tfw the landlord is a vampire and plans to make sure you'll pay one way or another
>she still won't fix our fucking gas leak

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>>49335747
So, did you get the testicle back?

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>>49335793
>tfw the landlord isn't a vampire, and takes rent in blood anyway.

>>49336118
This post just made me wonder why a non-vampire might want someone's blood, and it gave me an idea.

Plausible deniability.

Donate a bunch of blood to a blood bank. Then, very publicly, steal tons of blood from the bank while masked or otherwise disguised.

Fill up the packs on one of those fake blood spray rigs with stolen blood.

And then leave a vast enough trail of random assholes' blood through every shootout that the cops start filtering out results from anyone whose blood was at that blood bank at the time of the robbery.

Congrats! Now even when your real blood is found at the scene of a crime, they'll think it's just some random asshole's left by your crew.

>>49336351
brilliant
BRILLIANT

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>>49336103
What, is he gonna knock on her door and ask her for it back, omae? I'm positive my last landlady dried hers out and made wind chimes out of them.

are lasers worth it at all?

>>49336624
Only if you have corp backing and are mounting it on a drone.

>>49336624
>are lasers worth it at all?
Only the biggest one.

Lasers have their damage drop off with every range increment, so you want as long of a range as you can get, and anything but the biggest one just doesn't have even close to enough range.

Then you mount that motherfucker on a drone so you don't have to worry about powering it.

Any other laser is a novelty at best, because they don't do enough damage per shot to be an effective weapon for stealthily neutralizing targets.

>>49336679
>Then you mount that motherfucker on a drone so you don't have to worry about powering it.
Or learning exotic skills.

So how old is an Ork considered physically mature? whats their average lifespan? Oni share the same lifespan due to the fact they're just a variant as well dont they?

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I'm just about to start an LA game, with an ex Lone Star detective turned private eye (and burned his SIN), and a Justin Bieber type (Horizon corp SIN, day job maxed and global fame[only 25 from the qualities]) who's booked a role as a detective and is studying so as to be more method under the other PC while secretly looking for his brother who went Departed style undercover years ago, and his handler got killed in another random run.

They're the only two regular PCs, the third has irregular work hours, so they'll show up intermittently.

I'd love some ideas for runs or flavor to use in this, but I mostly want to brag at this point. I finally get to run a goddamn game!

>>49337032
Orcs mature early, reaching adulthood around...13 I think? They die earlier on average as well, around 50, but that's skewed because they also tend to work the more dangerous jobs.

>>49337066
Ork - 35-45 years
Troll - 45-55 years

>>49337032
A good rule of thumb is that orks are at least 50% older physically than their chronological age.

So at 10 they're physically ~15, at 20 they're physically 30+, and at 40 they're physically 60+. Most orks die before they're 50.

>Oni share the same lifespan due to the fact they're just a variant as well dont they?
All ork metavariants share the normal ork aging pattern unless mentioned otherwise.

>>49337066
>>49337124

So Orks could theoretically start running around 15 years old huh?

>>49337158
Way earlier than that, even, especially if they're put into a situation where their many siblings require some kind of financial support.

A 12-year-old ork is physically ~18, after all. You might see an ork who first starts running at 10-11, even, especially if they start with amateur hour stuff for gangs and such.

>>49337122

Don't Trolls have a more human lifespan than Ork?

>>49337299
Marginally. Their lifespan still sucks though.

>>49337299
Both can get a human lifespan if they were born human. This almost never happens, but when it does it's almost 100% certain that the child will goblinise around puberty.

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How do I use cosmetics and cyber/bio to turn a man into this in sr?

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>>49337681
Go home Kevin Smith, you're drunk.

>>49337681

you posted this a couple threads ago. its a dog. why do you want that SPECIFIC image of a dog laying in a puddle?

Just say dog.

I'm trying to find a city for my ex Lone Star detective to have been based before he burned his SIN and turned runner. Where the fuck do Lone Star have contracts? any in California?

>>49337907
Aren't Lone Star in LA and Seattle?

>>49338072
I have no idea I cant find any info on LA in the books I have downloaded.

>>49335589
Do this, call it Hatchetman 2.0, try to give it access to the current day Version of the Shadowland BBS.

Are orthoskin or dermal plating compatible with the innate troll armor? They both say they're incompatible with armor-granting skin augmentations, but the natural troll armor isn't an augment.

I'm assuming they are compatible since neither one actually replaces the existing skin, but you never know.

>>49338184
Not compatible.
Its even explicitely stated somewhere but fuck if i know where.

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>>49337907

They used to have the contract for Seattle and in fact still do provide some prison services there.

Assuming your game is in the current metaplot timeline (2078), it wouldn't be out of the question for your character to have worked for them in 2071.

They still do have a presence in many cities in the UCAS and CAS.

>>49338258

Wait I thought it was still 2075? what the fuck happened..

>>49338160
Most of the info on LA is in Corporate Enclaves

Alright, yeah, I can confirm that none of the initiative die boosts from infected are appearing properly.

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Hey Yekka, could you implement an Option to choose Cyberlimbs as an Option to calculate the Dicepools shown for Weapons (and maybe even other skills)?

Atm I have a char with 4 highly customized Limbs but the Attackpool for his pistol is calculated by using his AGI 1 Bodystat.

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>>49338765
Addendum:
A few threads ago i requested an option to calculate the physical Limit solemly based on the Stats of your Cyberlimbs if you have 4 of them (as per an new optional Rule in the german ChromeFlesh that allows exactly that). Would be cool if you could implement that.

>>49338302
It was 2075 when SR 5 got released but the Metaplot isn't fixed to the release year.

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>>49338808
Addendum2:

To be more precise:

Physical Limit is calculated (STR*2 + BOD + REA)/3
At the Moment, Chummer is using only the Body stats for this.
It would be cool if there was an option to instead have it use the (averaged) STR of the Cyberlimbs (as per the optional new Krautrule) if a player has 4 of them.

>>49334152
Ford americars.
He erases the tags, sets up a RCC, removes the plates and fills them with 200 pounds of anfo.

>>49338854
>>49338808
No idea why they don't make that a legit rule for cyber torsos.

Yeeka, Mutaqua have some sort of a bug calculating their augmented attributes.

Make a base Troll.

Give it Mutaqua.

Add points to Str. When it hits 10 Str, the bonus just disappears.

>>49338875
Cybertorsos (at least in the Krautrules, not sure about the original ones, but stuff like this is usually communicated with CGL) are explicitely stated to not having any stats of their own since they are only hulls.
And I'm really glad for this, because stat-wise, Cybertorsos are utter garbage.
You can put everything you want to use their capacity for directly into the body of the user and still pay less essence.
Utter garbage.

>>49338879
It also glitches if you make your Str 10 beforehand. 9 it's fine, 10 it bugged out and the bonus disappears.

Also the initiative die bonus is still not there on Mutaqua.

Do you guys rigidly impose (or have GMs who rigidly impose) the availability rules? If not, how do you houserule them? If so, what do you do about the excessively long time periods wasted while your gear appears (or doesn't)?

Also, why are most contacts, even fixers, worse at finding gear than a half-decent face?

>>49338901
>Cybertorsos are explicitely stated to not having any stats of their own since they are only hulls.
A) English has the description, but not explicit mention of having no stats

B) precisely why they should be fixed and made relevant

>>49339093
Because they get a big limit bonus they (probably) don't need and the core ones are kinda strangely statted out by the quick creation rules for contacts.

Said fixer has stats for (by the quick creation) connection 5/6, roughly the right number of points but wrongly distributed (lots depends on what the Data Search is supposed to actually be/represent) and of course has no gear. By the quick creation stuff there's over 200k that should be available to the fixer for stuff, including 'ware or foci, so that should make a good difference.

>>49337066
>>49337124

In our Earthdawn game, the orc pcs are around 11-13 years old. 40 is average life expactancy, one crazy weird necromancer is 70 and considered fucking weird and unnatural.

>>49339108
They are already "fixed" in that a character doesn't have to use them, thus making Characters with Cyberlimbs viable (the additional essence loss from the torso is ridiculous and makes them unable to mount decent INI enhancers).
The english version will be updated to the german Version.
The Errata Hotfix Group is in contact with Blackbooks (french) and Pegasus (german) to incorporate the existing non-english erratas in the english ones.
Yekka, another Problem with Chummer:
The tooltip in the Skill Department is using the stats of the Cyberarms for Running (even applying the off-hand Modificator). It obviously should use the stats of the (Cyber-) legs.
Same thing with swimming, though arguably this should use the averaged bodystats.

>>49337681
Maybe it's just further proof that most matter swells in contact with water, even dogs.

>>49339380
>They are already "fixed" in that a character doesn't have to use them
No, that's just removing any need or genuine use for cyber torsos, which is shit and should never be accepted without eliminating them entirely.

As eliminating CTs is not an option, they should have a reasonable use and purpose.

>>49335116
A doc wagon contract. If anyting is left over, I pay all the rent I am behind to Old Mama Wu.

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=24871.0

Well, we've got at least some sort of feedback. No idea how accurate it is, and still waiting for official developer input, but it's something at least.

>>49339709
Any rewriting of the Cybertorsos as of now would make Cyberchars invalid.
I prefer unusable Torsos over unusable Cyberlimbchars

Rigger/logic utility guy with demolitions as a side thing, with Day Job for the family pizza shop, who delivers bombs for pay and uses the names of an oldstyle pizza shop?

His name is Tombstone.

>>49340241
What an old hat.

Next you will be coming with the runner DiGiorno, who infiltrates compounds by getting himself smuggeled in in cargo boxes and yells "It's not delivery! It is DiGiorno!" before he starts the murdering. Including asking people, what they'd like to have on their tombstone.

>>49340178
How long does it take to get an account there? I registered a week or more ago and I haven't gotten admin approval yet.

>>49340230
>Any rewriting of the Cybertorsos as of now would make Cyberchars invalid.
You would have to enlighten me on how that's so, for me to agree.

>>49340315
Go check your email, mine was activated within like 15 minutes.

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=24873.0

Additionally, here's another thread. Three in total now, so that hopefully they'll get proper feedback from a dev at some point.

Others are: http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=24871.0

and

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=11514.1590

>>49340365
Really? Because I not only didn't get an email, when I attempt to login with the information I used I get an "Your account is still awaiting admin approval." message.

On a side note, why does the website randomly not load? Is it just me?

Can I give my sawn off Defiance a holster?

>>49340381
>>49340365
The fuck? I registered with a new email after reading something about the forum system they use flagging suspicious email accounts and giving them an indefinite "awaiting admin approval" thing message, and it worked. I don't know why it didn't accept my previous email, it's a pretty non-spammy legit email account I use...

If I have a DocWagon contract, and go down in a firefight with the local law enforcement, will they still send HTR teams, or am I shit out of luck?

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>>49340522
If you have a contract, they'll go pick you up anywhere in their service area.

Of course, they have no problem administering emergency care on the scene before handing you over to Knight Errant, or (if you need to go to the hospital) making sure you're cuffed to your bed with a uniform waiting in the corner of the room.

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>>49340522
>>49340556
To add onto this, law enforcement isn't dumb enough to get in a firefight with DocWagon. They'll just shoot a message to dispatch that a DocWagon team has come for a criminal they were in the process of apprehending, and dispatch will pass on the message to DocWagon that KE has dibs. The guys in the Wagon have no reason to risk their lives or careers for some drekhead criminal. They'll pump you full of narcotics, patch up your biggest holes, and surrender you.

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>>49338485
That would appear to be because I thought they were all single increments to their Initiative value, rather than extra dice. Going through them all again now to see what I missed.
>>49340381
Shadowrun board runs like dog's balls, it's a large part of why I hardly ever go there aside from posting changelog entries.
>>49338765
It should be doing that already in the tooltip, I take it you want to change the label to be the cyberlimb? Shouldn't be too hard.
>>49338808
Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem either. Could you do me a favour and raise one/both of these as an issue on github? I'm swamped at the moment and I know I'll forget about them completely if it slips out of my sight.
>>49338302
The metaplot maintains a roughly 1:1 relationship between calendar date and ingame year. Blame Missions, it mostly came from them.
>>49338879
>>49338914
The aug/value label's getting cut off by the Metatype Limit label. Easy fix, I just need to write a MoveControls method for it.

>>49333458
>'Yo, chummer, can you jack in into a dildo?'
Depends on if it's wireless enabled or not.

Ultrasound seems like a nice thing to have for when the team pops thermal smoke for whatever reason. Can I add a sensor with it to the forearm guards that I wear on runs and have it linked to my AR when I turn it on?

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>>49340675
Bumping this>>49334285

>>49340507
The SR forums are notorious for getting spammed.

>>49340675
Neat.

Also, see >>49340365
I threw up several threads so we can get feedback on this.

If you've got a weapon that does about 10P -3 AP, and you've got about a 18 dicepool, how likely is it for you to kill people in one shot, or at least put them in Overflow?

>>49340707
If it's got the capacity free, you should be able to.

If it doesn't stick a sensor RFID on your guards (or helmet or what have you) and use it. Limit's probably about the same.

>>49340707
Any reason you wouldn't put it in your helmet or ballistic mask?

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>>49340713
Well, that's interesting. Not sure how Lass got broken like that, seems like it somehow applied skilljack bonuses to the skills, but didn't generate them properly. Not sure HOW it happened, but I've fixed it.
Nemo - a.desu.sh/xldmqs.chum5
Lass - a.desu.sh/olypub.chum5

>>49340772
Depends on the accuracy of the gun and their armour.

>>49340951
Hurr, I'm dumb. 26 Dicepool, no limit because Edge, rerolling 6s. Against relatively standard enemies, not heavy milspec fuckers.

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>>49340951
>I've fixed it

Appreciate it.

Erm, how do I turn that into a chum5 file?

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>>49340981
You'll average somewhere around 13-14 damage after soak against 6 defence dice and six net soak dice. Full Auto and APDS to negate bonuses drags that closer to 20.

http://shadowrun-dice.herokuapp.com/attack_calculator

>>49341129
Oh, that's odd. Sorry, didn't realise it'd append an extension. Show file extensions, remove the .txt.

>>49341147
When can we expect the next Nightly? The last one was three days ago, it seems, and I'm eager to see the changes to Infected stuff so I can get to building one for a possible game.

>>49341223
Probably not for another... 24 hours or so? Current batch of fixes aren't quite ready and I'm a bit short on time at the moment to finish it all up.

>>49341252
No worries mang, thanks for the info.

>>49340339
Possible changes for Cybertorso rules that wouldn't lead to a huge rewrite:

a) Give them the possibility to have custom Strength/Agility
Their Availability would have to be reduced drastically for this, because atm its to high to custom tailor it.

b) Reduce their Essencecost by a HUGE margin

c) increase their capacity

d) decrease their costs by a huge margin


b + c are sort-off mutually exclusive.
a) is nice but without b) they would still be prohibitely expensive (essence wise) for a starting character who can't afford Betaware and even Alphaware is pushing it since using normal Grade should always be possible by pure numbers.


Essentially, a Character with 4 Cyberlimbs and a Cyberbody would have to be able to at least fit 1 Point of Additonal Ware into them without bordering Cyberzombie-Territory (read: <1.0 Essence) to make them viable enough that anybody would play them.


So, for this to work out, they (the rules guys) would have to decrease the Essence Costs by about 2/3, decrease its availabilitynumber and give them its own STR/AGI attributes.

Anything less and Cyberlimbers become unusable and i don't see those changes happening.

>>49340675
>Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem either. Could you do me a favour and raise one/both of these as an issue on github? I'm swamped at the moment and I know I'll forget about them completely if it slips out of my sight


Sure, though i have no fucking idea how GitHub Works.
I'll probably have time for it on the weekend

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PSA: If you want to have the top speed of Usain Bolt as your running speed (not sprint speed) you would have to have AGI of 11.

>>49338181
>pilot 4
>personality software
>a Performance (Poetry) Autosoft rating 6 running on its RCC
>various Academic and Professional knowledges too
It'll be participating in poetry slams and dispensing with useful knowledge and advice with a dice pool of 10, and have enough Pilot to just buy two hits on 'knowing how to act in non-standard situations.' Jivebot lives again!

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>>49341489
Make an account, click New Issue on the right, fill out the template.
https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/issues
>>49341279
Just pushed to master now; new Nightly should auto-publish in five to ten minutes, depending on how busy the build server is.
- Removed some code from the SelectAttributes improvement that caused it to pass the selected value up to the bonus source. Generally speaking, prevents Infected qualities from getting (BOD) or whatever added to their treenode.
- Added a new Improvement Type: MovementMultiplier. This is used to increase or decrease the multiplier for Running and Sprinting from x2/x4.
- Fixed a UI issue that prevented attribute bonuses from showing properly if the value made it into double digits.
- Removed old Metavariant entries for Infected metavariants from the Priority sheet.
- Added the appropriate Initiative and Movement Multiplier bonuses for the Bandersnatch, Dzoo-Noo-Qua, Goblin, Harvester, Loup-Garou, Mutaqua, Nosferatu, Vampire and Wendigo.

>>49341787
My character has agility 7 and runs faster than Usain. Not with using Sprint or anything, either. He's just faster

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>>49341367
What I'd like from cybertorsos would be to unlock the extra +1 Augmentation limit for limbs and/or reduce the Essence cost for Cyberlimbs by a large margin. Would provide a better reason to go cybersam instead of biosam as it would increase the amount of 'ware you can cram into yourself, while still leaving bioware as the option for less-intensive singular installations.

Way I figure it, a cybertorso should be something that strongly encourages you to go all in on cyberlimbs, which it really doesn't do at the moment.

>>49340772
Reasonably likely to one-shot, extremely likely to two-shot. They've got to be packing serious protection for it to require more than three shots.

Are there any kind of storage compartments large enough to fit an RCC into? I want to build an RCC directly into a drone's leg or something, but it doesn't seem possible, when a Large Smuggling Compartment is only large enough to accept a heavy pistol.

Why are there all of these rules for cybernetic replacements, but there are no rules for someone's arm getting fragging blown off or otherwise ruined during a run? It's extremely counter-intuitive to me that a game which has cyberlimbs, cloned replacement limbs, and even primitive prosthetics wouldn't have rules for dismemberment as a basic, fundamental part of the game's damage system.

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>>49341147
It took a reboot of my computer to clear some nagging issues on my end (of all things, Notepad was giving me grief), but you know what? It works, and you're a good guy.

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>>49342204
It's briefcase-sized, so I wouldn't think that there's a compartment big enough to be an RCC cupboard in a drone.

However, following the rules in Data Trails for non-standard form factors (+3 Avail +20% cost) I'd let someone build one directly into a drone's structure permanently, at the above increases in availability and cost, plus a mod point.

>>49342204
>>49342204
My GM made a houserule for RCC implants, considering everything else shrunk in size (comms being smartphone sized, decks being like a tablet), yet RCC's are still briefcases. Basically followed implant deck, but slightly upped the essence cost.

So no, there isnt a rule, but if your GM is cool, he might work something out.

As for physical storage...maybe the torso? Just say it slides in horizontally like a floppy disk.

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>>49342230
I know people have homebrewed those rules. I think they keep it out of core because cyberware is very much an optional thing in Shadowrun. It's not the kind of thing where people need to get some old Soviet arm to replace the one they lost in the EuroWar. If you have cyberware, it's a choice. It would especially fuck with mages and adepts if they needed to be constantly cloning limbs and having their essence tick away, and street samurai would have all their limbs replaced every couple months, if you assume limb loss fits in somewhere below death in the current SR damage scale.

>OP
Hey, you found the picture that I'm making everyone look at to understand how we're doing Dronomancers!

>>49342408
Of course it depends on the drone, but in general I agree.

>>49342468
I understand what you're saying, but I strongly disagree with it.

>>49342230
My houserule is that if you go into physical overflow you lose two limbs or limb-equivalents (like being blinded or deafened - anything that would need an actual replacement to fix), and that if you burn Edge to survive being killed you lose two.

The one time this has ever been a problem for an Awakened character, they used magical means to regrow their lost limbs. Specifically, they got ahold of some Immortal Flower, and used it during downtime to heal all of their wounds (without the risk of taking enough damage to lose Essence).

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>>49342482
Are we getting special Drone sprites, or still jamming Machine Sprites in there?

also, are their rules for taming protosapient AI and being Mommy to your bitchildren?

>>49342545
>if you go into physical overflow you lose two limbs
One limb, rather. One for physical overflow, two for hand of god.

>>49342566
>bitchildren
I first read that as bitch-children
I was so confused

>>49342230
There are kind of rules about it. I believe taking 7 points of damage at once is grounds for an edge test, failure of which results in a lost limb/organ/whatever. It's somewhere in 4E's book, I think.

I know 2e/3e had much more in depth rules regarding bodily mutilation, but they were also kind of overwritten and overcomplicated, just by virtue of being being in depth, and shoehorned in to a system that doesn't really accommodate for those kinds of things.

>>49342566
Every Technomancer "subclass" (Stream? Not sure about re-appropriating the word, what do you guys think) will have a couple special abilities, exclusive complex forms, and echoes. Emphasis on "couple."

>>49342568
>Take a katana to the right arm, removing it
>Burn edge to survive
>My eyes decide life's not worth living without their best friend, the right arm, so they spontaneously combust

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>>49342692
Stream is as good a word as any. So you're bringing back technomancer traditions? Same as Unwired, or are they entirely different?

>>49342714
chummer, If you suddenly couldn't fap anymore, what use would your eyes be?

>>49342714
More likely I'd have the blade continue into the torso, or sever the arm cleanly and have it clip off your other hand in the through-strike, or have the assailant follow-up with a leg strike before you even hit the ground because there's no kill like overkill. Something that makes sense contextually.

The eyes/ears are more for limb loss due to chemical weapons and explosives, though blades have been known to do it too.

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>>49342795
>2077

>needing a right hand to masturbate

>needing any hands to masturbate

>not slotting Mercurial&Spinrad.sim for the best orgasm of your life, piped directly to your brain

>>49342861
>being a chiphead
that's not Wiz chummer
YOU are not Wiz

>>49343011
>chiphead
>.sim
>not .btl
Omae, please.

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>>49342791
Very, very different.

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>>49343044
>Things to Come in conjunction with future Technomancer material

>>49343044
Hey.

Do you have the ability to go yell at whoever handles errata and get them to look at the posts about Infected up thread? They're on the actual forums, so they don't need to come here if they'd rather not.

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>want to make a cool centaur character
>it's basically impossible and stupid to do since 90% of runs take place in urban areas
>not to mention the costs for even running a centaur leave you with little to work with

There isn't even a SURGE quality for a lower half centaur body, so you couldn't make a variant like a deer or something. Also despite having four legs, Satyr are apparently get bonuses to their speed when they only have two, which are pretty similar

Anyone ever gotten away with running a centaur or other strange metavarient/species?

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>>49343044
>going back to VRII

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>>49343226
That's what you get for trying to play something designed for wild steppes in the middle of a cyberpunk megacity.

Get Liminal Body: Centaur, and beg the GM to allow it to take a modular connection. Switch between people legs, horse body, and tank treads in a flash

>>49342111
Hey, I've got good news, the initiative die is indeed working properly!

Also, we've got feedback on the attribute penalties, at least kinda. They're basically meant to just minus X from the attribute itself, not the min or max, so they're at least sorta working right in Chummer.

I've also got bad news.

If you make an elf, boost your attributes up before going infected (Which you're apparently supposed to), and then apply Harvester if you have just baseline charisma, it sorta screw up somewhat.

It's supposed to, AFAIK, have changed the cha to 1/4, instead of 3/8, but it stays as 3/4. If you try to change it at all, it yells at you like this: https://i.gyazo.com/020be863fe8323efcf7936b3baad8f6d.png

However, if you add 1 to your cha BEFORE you add Harvester, it'll work out just fine, as seen here: https://i.gyazo.com/4d52a4c92e74ece54071cd9dcf261525.png

HOWEVER, if you attempt to edit the Cha after adding harvester, it'll instantly lock it to 3(2)/4, and you can't undo it or change it without remaking the sheet or loading an old save. You can, however, freely edit Logic as normal, and that works just fine.

>>49341787

PSA: The 2016 Deadlift world record is 1155 pounds, or, 523.8 (Lets call it 524) Kilograms.

in shadowrun, 1 strength is 15kg

Thats the equivalent of having 35 Strength.

HOWEVER: Thats to lift it guaranteed, no rolls.

You can make a Strength+Body check in order to Lift something heavy, with every success being and additional 15kg.

So... Lets take a Troll, who has exceptional Attribute (Strength), and +4 from Muscle replacements.

Thats 15 strength. From there, a Body+STR (lets assume they have 10 body as well) is 26 dice in order to hit another 16 Successes. Sure, you could also blow edge, another 6 dice, if we're being generous...

But lets be honest. We have stronger humans in today's world than a CyberTroll could ever reasonably hope to be.

>>49343340
Addendum to this: The movement rates for Harvester are not included. If you have a 7 Agi as a Harvester, your movement rates are x3 Walk and x5 Run, since it adds +1 to the multiplier, as this says: https://i.gyazo.com/5fec479dbb8262c5e579d8d9dc5eee06.png

This is just to show that it isn't doing that: https://i.gyazo.com/8f14ab9e3e7049fa9bd7cf31d4abb534.png
7 Agi, 14/28 movement rates. Should be 21/35.

Celerity works just fine, at least, as shown here: https://gyazo.com/666a0d39df44be2ce603206f598ae15b

Would it be possible to see if you could do something about the movement things when you get a chance, please?

>>49343336
Should mention: Take a cybertorso for the modular connector, let it eat up a double capacity there. Just to play it somewhat square.

>>49343226
I want to try and make a Naga sometime, SURGE it to give it Deadly Venom, and make supervenom.

Also pixie infiltrator.

I'm fairly fond of using Surge to make mutant characters, but 5e kinda has a just... complete and utter lack of negative metagenics? If you take Surge 3, you're basically forced into "I'm a stinky glowing lizard", or being a child.

>>49343185
I can ask him but like, it's his call.

>>49343185
Oh, duh, um, link me the forum posts, that will probably sound better than "Someone from 4chan asked me to show you this"

>>49343583
>>49343567
The three posts are linked here. Trying to get some feedback to help Yekka out with things, and I'm going to be going through the other infected other than Mutaqua/Harvester soon once I get some sleep, and official word-of-dev on how the infected stuff actually work would be really helpful for that.

Thanks for passing it along, man.
>>49340365

>>49343646
>man

>>49343583
Tell Goodman you heard about on a Mongolian yak-milking forum. That's got some credibility.

>>49343659
...Are they not a guy? Little Mac sounded like a guys name. My bad if I got that wrong.

>>49343659
On the internet, you can be whatever you want.
18/Attack Helicopter/Avon Park

>>49343679
Pretty sure she's Amy Veeres.

>>49343696
Are you a NATO or Warsaw Pact model?

>>49343712
Huh. Well, my bad on that, then.

>>49343679
She used to be a pirate, and got started by dewatermarking SR5. It took several hours because she was on a MacBook Air, i.e. a "little mac."

http://shadowrun.itemcards.com/runners

Found a pretty good name generator with a decent bit of depth.

Can someone add it to the OP?

>>49343752
Am I stupid, or was she ever associated with Pathfinder? The name sounds familiar from somewhere other than SR.

>>49343664
He totally bought it! Says he'll take a look, and also promises the errata will include a skill for milking yaks.

>>49343719
I'm all Apache, baby.

>>49343766
Fucking awesome.

Here, have chill vaguely-SR-related music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJsUpeXK6Jo

>>49343761
WoD
You post there as Amy, don't you LM?

>>49343807
Ah, wouldn't recognize it from WoD. Huh. I don't honestly know why the name sounds familiar, then.

>>49343752
>used to be a pirate
>is now a writer for the same line she pirated

My hero.

Should i start with 3e or 4e?

>>49343807
She doesn't post with a trip anymore except for actual game-related.

What if I'm her?

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>>49343772
Wow you're an oppressive NATO pig. I bet you think your AGM-114s are soooo much better than my 9k114s (THAT'S RIGHT, 9K114, NOT AT-6! I REFUSE TO HAVE MY ATGMS GENDERED BY YOU!!!!)

>>49343766
This is very good news. Especially since my current campaign has led us into Tibet.

>>49343854
I'm Amy Veeres!

>>49343826
5e, though you'll probably need houserules eventually, but that's true for any system.

So, /srg/, what do you/your group do for maps? Does anyone have any good floorplan generators?

What about character art, or setting art? Anyone know any good, largeish repositories for it? I'm trying to gather up some resources to help my GM out, and to see if we can get some more useful shit added to the OP.

http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/57695/modern-floorplan-generator

This one has some okay stuff, but more options would be good.

>>49343866
I thought Tibet was all walled off by magic fog?

>>49343826
Depends
>GM or Player?
>Classic Cyberpunk with phones the size of a small Sub-automatic or sleek new cyberpunk

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>>49343858
you need to lose some weight, hon

make way for the new hotness

>>49343909
>The defining difference between new and old cyberpunk is phones
What a concept

>>49343893
Which is no problem, if you have magic foghorns mounted on your yaks.

The sequence may or may not be part of fever dreams my character has while slowly bleeding out, impaled on a flag pole.

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>>49343891
i was about to ask how everybody here made their floorplans

i'm GMing my first session soon and want to make some fleshed out maps to make something that lets me try out everything

>>49343926
Just as an example that most will understand, chummer.
Don't have time for hundreds of comparisons

>>49343952
Neat. I'll go post all the shit I've found so far.

https://www.pinterest.com/jasonameserve/shadowrun-sceneryaesthetic/
https://www.pinterest.com/jonkiefer/cyberpunk-shadowrun-art/
https://www.pinterest.com/anescapegoat/shadowrun-landscapes/
http://paterpaul.deviantart.com/favourites/59976915/Shadowrun-Scenery
http://www.deviantart.com/tag/shadowrun
http://www.shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/45293/shadowrun-cyberpunk-character-images
Art shit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/1pfagz/sr5_gm_resources/
http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=6376.0
https://scionhouserules.wordpress.com/gm-tools-and-resources/shadowrun-maps/
http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/57695/modern-floorplan-generator
Map shit

>>49343952
Several threads ago somebody suggested SketchUp2016. I'm not the best user of it, but it's good, especially if you need/want to do 3D stuff like showing where a sniper is.

Plus, free. Can't beat that as the price of a tool for your ...

https://youtu.be/HvSvIRH8xtU

>>49344080
>Not posting Shadowrun SNES' superior bar music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCkLL6Ky80

>>49344119
It lacks the cheesy SCHATTENLAUF for the sort-of punchline.

Is there a SR5 equivalent to Barrier Foam from War! anywhere?

>>49343891
>5e
Ffff
Any particular reason why?
>>49343909
>both, probably more GMing since nobody ariund here plays it
>could go for either really
Ideally i want something more akin to bladerunner mixed with ghost in the shell.

>>49344457
It's the popular system that you'll be able to reliably find players for.

Make Wireless Bonuses innate, change Exceptional Attribute and Lucky to raise the minimum of the stat by 1 just like Metagenic Attribute Improvement, and maybe houserule alchemy to be less worthless. Do other ones as your group wants, but those are fairly basic.

>>49344359
The stuff that hardens out and is used for fighting riots, for the backpack chemical sprayers?

I tried finding it, but came up with nothing.

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>>49344498
No.

This shit.

Near-instant barriers, blockades, and all sorts of other fun shit.

>>49344457
>probably more GMing
then I hope you are good at math because the success system of 3e is harder
in 4e you can just say a character with dice pool X is usually going to get X/3 hits, meaning that they usually can do this well.
in 3e however you roll a dp with each dice applying the rule of 6, and try to get a dice above the TN
this means that if e.g. a player has a dp of X you can't easily say "he usually will get at least one die above [TN]"

However 3e has far more splatbooks, so even if you take 4e you should still read those. Mostly they are still true

>>49344457
>any particular reason why?

Because that's the edition that still has players?

What's the smallest scooter/personal vehicle capable of receiving both Walker Mode and a Rigger Cocoon? I want to make a mobile command station that can follow the crew indoors without needing to worry about ramps or oversized doors or whatever. Some kind of motorized wheelchair with walker legs whose seat I could replace with a rigger cocoon would be ideal; if it can reach non-highway commuter speeds when in wheel mode, all the better.

>>49344535
Interesting. Sounds like the beefed up milspec version of what I had in mind. Can't say I have seen that in 5e.

>>49344579
Is there a non-milspec version at all?

>>49344593
I am reasonably sure that there is none. Except maybe in some obscure splat, I don't have access to. I can't find anything in Chummer5, either. Only the basic glue sprayer.

>>49344610
Well, RIP me then. I mean, it's not really hard to just use the 4e version, but damnit.

>>49344457
That's 3e by a fair margin.
4e is more like modern GiTS with more magic and explosions, while 5e is its own beast - it tries to got back the 3e feel at times, but the freelancer staff combined with the new fanbase makes it feel like Tumblr playing an Ocean's Eleven game with third-party Pathfinder splats.
I really doubt that you'd find something that you like in 5e like >>49344457 says - sure, more people play 3.5 than most other games, but that doesn't mean you should never play anything else than that. There are so many differences in fluff and crunch between 3e and 5e, for example (especially in balance - CGL is much more gamist than FASA) that they're basically different games, and you really won't get the classic cyberpunk feel with 5e.
5e is SNSpunk - everything is about the cloud, AI rights, racism metaphors, sassy gnomes and pixies with Tumblr-colored hair, SURGE disasters min-maxed down to the last fraction and EVO being the unrivaled good guys in a universe that's long since stopped being cyberpunk. The old mood is barely there - the self-ironic mirrorshades feel has been replaced by a player-centric obsession with special and unique characters that all have A Beef With The Man, and the self-awareness fails at being self-ironic and just ends up cringy.
There's no reason to play the mangled corpse of a good game, supporting a Tumblrite neo-roleplayer fanbase who didn't know any other dice than D6 before Wil Wheaton told them, a corrupt company that publishes unedited books written by unpaid freelancers for full price and generally a cheap, tasteless regurgitation of classic cyberpunk with the grit cut out and replaced with institutionalized Mary Sue representativeness solely for the sake of finding players.
Would you rather wait a month to find serious players for a cyberpunk game, or wait two days to find a bunch of Tumblr drones who want to play Vocaloids, catgirls and gender-special centaurs?

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>>49344576
Haven't run the math, but you could try a Mule drone and add wheels.

>>49344576
Arsenal had those walking hospital recliners, IIRC. It should be able to take a Rigger Cocoon. It also had one of those little segway/scooter/tinytinycars as well, it even had a passenger/cargo module option.

>>49344644
Drones can't accept vehicle mods like rigger cocoons. They have their work mod system. Chummer allowing you to user the vehicle mod system is in error.

So that won't work, sadly.

>>49344661
>not just duct-taping a Rigger cocoon on top

Where's that DIY spirit?

>>49344649
I'm asking for 5e, the default edition that people actually play. Sorry for not specifying.

That is approximately what I want, though, just in 5e.

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>>49344544
>Not using Rolz
It's so easy to do 3e's success system in it.

>>49344544
I can see how 3e's system is way more complicated, and I appreciate 5e's simplicity, especially for new players.

But damn was 3e fun with all the damage staging up and down and rule of six.

I am a bit sad, that 5e only ruses rule of six in single cases. (edge-use)

>>49344778
>>49344778
Yeah, and for 4e you can also use manydice
Sure you can do it with online tools
But can you do it without them?

>>49344544
I can manage the math well enough.
>However 3e has far more splatbooks, so even if you take 4e you should still read those. Mostly they are still true
Great to know.
>>49344562
I'm basically starting a group from scratch and I honestly don't care about playing with established players online.
>>49344633
Thanks for your input, I guess I'll go with 3e and glance through some pdfs of 4e.
Just wanted to get some input before I haul over to the used bookshop and clean their copies out.

>>49344633
I started reading through the 5e books recently since I wanted to run a game. I at least already have a group of people I trust to make actual characters that can function as something other than tumblrkin and minmaxers, but I really am getting that sinking feeling that the Eclipse Phase books give me...

Thank god I can at least get the gist of the lore and make shit up from there.

>>49344864
>haul over to the used bookshop
Do you need physical books? Would PDFs be okay?

>>49344874
>but I really am getting that sinking feeling that the Eclipse Phase books give me
Care to elaborate on that?

>>49344908
I'm most likely going to do both for ease of use among all players but for my personal collection I just can't pass up physical copies.
If you have a link for 3e stuff I'd enjoy it immensely.

>>49345004
There's a link in the OP, like always.

>>49345004
Check the OP Pastebin

>>49335116
Pickup Truck. If I can't afford the pickup? Guns. And booze.

So does nicotine addiction still exist in Shadowrun? I'd imagine that cigarettes are in vogue again because it's another thing to sell but I"ve not been able to find much about it.

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>>49345087
>>49345084
welp Im retarded
thanks again guys

How accurate should my weapons be relative to my dice pool? I'm making an Adept swordsman and I'm not sure if I want to use monoswords or rapiers.

>>49345419
As a general rule? If you have a Limit that's 50% of your dice pool it'll effectively come up never, while if it's 1/3 of your dice pool it'll be a limiter a little less than 50% of the time.

Really, though? You main concern should be whether it's big enough compared to your enemy's ability to dodge. One or two extra hits to damage are nice, but rarely actually change how many successful attacks it takes to incapacitate someone.

>>49345488
I see, so if I aim for 14-16 dice at chargen accuracy 8 is plenty. While I'm asking silly questions, what are some adept powers I should aim for/avoid. Is improved reflexes 3 overkill?

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So I've been planning on making a drugfiend street sam. To counter becoming a one trick pony, I've planned on having the secondary role of a medic. How good should I be to be of any use?
I don't need to be Black Jack or Doctor House, I just want to stop fellow runners from spilling their guts on the rug.

>>49334520
If this is zed
You can't stop me from camping.

>>49345585
Improved Reflexes 3 is so good you should even get it on non-combat builds.

I always get Astral Perception too. Your Intuition should be high already (for Initiative reasons) so during legwork you can be the Perception and Assensing guy, and during combat you can see immaterial spirits and astral mages to hit with your weapon focus.

After that, Rating 1 in Strength and Agility Boost.

From there, I tend to focus on mobility powers for hitting hard-to-reach enemies, but you may prefer to buy Critical Strike, or directly boost your ability in Blades.

Also, keep in mind you don't just have to spend your dice pool on hitting. You can also spend some of it eating penalties. Called Shot: Vitals, for example, is something you can and should be doing on every attack.

>>49345680
What's your Logic score? I assume pretty good, for drug cooking and resisting mental addictions?

>>49345707
Current stat lineup (subject to possible change) for my druggie Ogre is: BOD 7, AGI 5, REA 5, STR 6, CHA 2, INT 4, LOG 3, WIL 6, EDG 5

>>49342011
>pistol on bipod
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>>49345746
japs are nogunz

>>49345746
Quick switch to side arm if surprised close by? Honestly I am as puzzled as you are.

>>49345694
Alright thank you very much, I was a little lost after improved reflexes and critical strike. I was planning on grabbing a martial art for two-weapon attack so I guess I'll go with the one that gives randori instead of riposte.

>>49345737
You'd get better results from a dwarf.

Anyway, six points in first aid, a relevant specialty, and a wireless-enabled R6 first aid kit will give you a dice pool of 15. That'll be plenty.

>>49346021
So its go big or go home? Welp, gotta redistribute my skill points then...
Also, why would a dwarf be better? For some reason I don't see why it's such a better option.

>>49346106
I guess because with a dwarf you can get those attributes AND a +2 DPM when resisting toxins

>>49346106
More Willpower (for resisting addiction), more Logic (for resisting addiction), plenty of Body, and many GMs let them use their toxin resistance as a bonus on addiction tests.

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>>49343226
>>49343336
Centaurs just seem a tad neglected compared to other races in the game. They cost 25 karma, which some would be a rarity tax I guess but 25 karma seems way too expensive for what they actually get.

Hell, they can be outrun by any average player character. How the fuck does that work?

You'd think a distinctive style, awkwardness getting into places and uneducated would be enough of a price to play a centaur.

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>>49337681
Superior moist doggo coming thru

>>49345746
It's a Tactical pistol, so you can shoot while you shoot.

>>49344661
Wrong! The drone mod system is optional.
Plus, the vehicle one is better anyway, it lets you stick bigger guns on them.

>>49348072
Is it? I'm 90% certain that the vehicle mod system is exclusively for vehicles, and that the drone mod system is exclusively for drones. It may be optional, but that would mean defaulting to the one in the core book, because the other doesn't apply regardless.

>>49347423
>average trpg dev has no idea how to properly balance niche races and doesn't care to anyway because only 7 grognards actually want to play them

shocker

So, I am really interested in running a game of 5e, but, I'm terrified by my lack of experience with the setting. I've ran various systems with various levels of success, but I could always make shit up as I went.

Here, shadowrun has a giant, rich, canonical lore that needs to be followed but I don't know enough about it. I'm terrified of doing something and the entire party calling me out on "ares would never do something like that" or "why the hell would this be a thing" or shit like that.

I've read the time line on the shadowrun wiki, but it is just the tip of the ice burg.

Is there a better way of familiarizing myself with the setting? Or am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

>>49348275
just get a general idea of things going on, or find a translation of that 2050 sourcebook and use that

modern shadowrun lore sucks

>>49347423
>actually wanting to play a centaur
There are only, like, 40k of them in the entire world or something. They're absurdly rare and niche. That's why they cost so much - so that they're technically an option, but you'll never see them in practice.

>>49348275
The only time not having a good understanding of the problem will ever be an issue is if your players know the setting better than you do. And in that situation it really can be a big problem, because they'll make potentially deadly assumptions based on canon that isn't necessarily present in your game.

>>49348275
I'd recommend using one of the existing campaigns or one-shots, at least for your first session. It'd relieve your personal lore burden somewhat, and it'd let you feel the waters regarding your players.

Additionally, check the pastebin. Loads and loads of reading material in there.

>>49348275
Everybody please stand up for the official /srg/ Anthem:
FOOD FIGHT
FOOD FIGHT
YOU WANT SOME FOOD?
FUCK YOU HERE'S A FIGHT

Food Fight is one of the best Missions to introduce new players to SR

I'm not the best at navigating the Pastebin, where is Foodfight stored?

>>49348275
Tell your players, that you would really like to run it, but are not confident in your lore-knowledge. If they are really interested in playing, they will be ready to turn a cheeck on some inconsistencies.

And depending, on how good your players know the lore and how invested they are in it, they may even prefer you keeping it simple and not necessarily 100% authentic.

Also, there is always the option of playing in a place not heavily covered by lore and creating your own corps, and big players with whatever attributes you want them to have.

>>49348780
I don't think it's actually in there, because you can download it from the website. http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/downloads/
It's listed as "quick-start rules." Food Fight is the second half of the PDF.

>>49348946

Oh, that's handy. Thanks omae

>>49348946
>>49349011

Nope that's Fast Food Fight, the shitty one
Not what I was talking about >>49348473

>>49349011
4e: http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/Downloads/Shadowrun%20Quick-Start%20Rules.pdf
Page 19 onwards
5e: In the Mediafire 5e -> Beginner Box Content -> CAT27100X_Quick-Start Rules

Hey Guys, I need a second opinion.

I have a character who's playing a former DocWagon medi-mage, who's got a penchant for using a Riot Shield as cover for the person he's healing up.

After the last session, he was asking me about weapon Foci. Normally it applies its Force as a bonus to your attack, but he was wanting to know if he could turn his Riot Shield into a weapon focus, and give him a force bonus to defense instead.

Im inclined to give it to him, as it seems logical, but I also wanted someone else's opinion on the matter.

Also, I'm not sure how I would handle the structure rating and such at that point, if someone were to attempt to shoot 'through' it, or just straight up try to break it.

>>49348159
Nope. The drone mod system states that it is optional, and they use the vehicle mod system otherwise.

How would one adjust things to try pulling out a sapient critter in 5e? I know there are 4e rules for it but I'm not well versed in converting between versions.

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Can someone check this character?
I wasnt really shooting for anything specific but are the programs and stuff laid out correctly?

>>49349220
>try pulling out a sapient critter
????

>>49349240
Playing as one.

I dunno sometimes I make weird choices of words. I'm sorry.

>>49349232
its 4e also

>>49349198
Thematically it might be fitting. But I have the feeling you might be on a slippery slope there, rulewise.

If defensive/utility items can be made into weapon foci, you could just as well make permanently enchanted armors.

And as I understood the shield does not only protect the wielder, but also the patient he is working on.
I think allowing it would open the door to mages just making whole armorsuits and handing them out to his team.

But if you think your players won't go wild, with this little bit of rulebending, by all means go for it. It is your table.

>>49343418
Does it work for the other infected? I didn't really test the functionality when I added it, I just stapled in what SHOULD work and went from there.

>>49349394

See, thats what I was worried about. Magic armors just aren't going to be a good idea, and I don't want to say "No, because I said so."

And yeah, he plants the shield down to provide cover for him and the patient.

I'll keep thinking on it. thanks for the 2 cents.

>>49349449
Another thought I just had.

I do not know the ruletables for that by heart, but would a modern ballistic shield/riot shield not be made out of reasonable sophisticated materials?

Special alloys or cevlar composite fabrics, maybe ceramic thrown in. I bet those would be a bitch to enchant.

Also, no harm in having a bigass shield you can use to ram spirits in the face.

>>49349449
Personally I'd allow it, but say that
>these enchantments can only help make or take more damage, no evasion
>every time it's hit it may lose/lessen the enchantment.

>>49349544

Lessen the enchantment by how much?

>>49349504

That is specifically why I'm more inclined. If he's willing to take THAT effort, then I'm inclined to let him do it. Its far from 'free'.

Also, the only 'evasion' he gets is a cover bonus (lugging that thing around is a bitch) otherwise, the only thing he's asking for is +force in Soak dice when he is under fire.

Also, an interesting question: Would a Riot Shield be Ballistic Glass, or Armored Glass?

I ask, in part, for the 'how much of a bitch it is to enchant' aspect, as well as the fact that Ballistic Glass has a Structure of 4 and an Armor of 6, while Armored Glass has a structure of 8 and an armor of 12, for people trying to shoot through it. I'm inclined to believe the latter, since this IS the future, but then again... I dunno.

>>49349198
Well, the first wrench in that plan is that foci are only active while your aura is touching them.

>>49349848

He's holding it still. Is there anything saying you can't hold a shield and cast a spell at the same time?

>>49350161
nope, what yekka probably meant was that unless you are holding it it's just a normal riot shield

Is making a tank-style street sam adept "viable"? Relative to standard cyberlimbed street sams.

>>49350288
No, chroming yourself up to street-sam levels as any sort of Magic-user is not viable.

>>49350386
Oh, no I meant just using adept powers to tank yourself up instead of putting in cyberlimbs.

>>49350404
Then you're not a street sam. But yeah, adept powers can buff you up decently well, you can perform without having to worry about holding back the group.

>>49350443
Ah, cool, alright then. Any recommendations? Like is attribute boost worth taking or is it better to just take improved attributes?

>>49349198
Tell him to make it into a Sustaining Focus for whatever school has the Armor spell instead. That should work better for what he wants, and be more versatile too.

>>49350288
Not even close. Adepts get much better dodge powers, and really just plain fucking can't compete with street samurai for armor.

Which chargen mode would best be used for making a character who is good at two things: stealth and using a collapsible scythe in 5e?
I need to make a character focused on those two for Reasons(tm) for this game I'm in

>>49350474
Attribute boost is crazy good if you only buy one or two levels of it. Less versatile, but so much cheaper that it more than makes up for it.

>>49350672
How's the burnout way?

>>49350705
Fantastic.

It's often more cost effective, Essence/PP-wise, to get your stat boosts from bioware, for example, and then your Initiative from adept powers.

That, and if your GM is willing, you might be able to get a weapon focus blade made into a cyber spur and installed in a cyberarm (which itself might be rocking Strength/Agility 9 and Armor 3, all for just (or even less than) 1 Essence/PP equivalent) for truly fun fuckery, in true Shadowrun cyberpunk fantasy fashion.

>>49350887
Gotcha. From what I understand, burnout way just makes it so that standard limbs are considered alphaware until you initiate twice?

I'm away from my books - what's the most armored motorcycle in 5e? Is it Restricted or Forbidden?

>>49350925
Something like that. So, combined with Biocompatibility (and maybe Adapsin) you can get lots of augmentation per lost PP (without having to fork out Alpha money).

>>49350968
Sounds good! Does that 20 spent karma burnout count as part of the "positive qualities" or not?

>>49350995
Word of God is that Ways are not included in that limitation.

>>49351053
Niiice. Now to decide between making a banshee adept or making a harvester burnout adept...

>>49350995
Burnout Way is 15 karma.

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So, I'm attempting to create something new in-system, since I usually go with mage/sam.

I'm attempting to create an Adept Racer turned Shadowrunner, starting with their Bike. So far I'm looking at the racing bike Suzuki Mirage as my base, with the I imagine, usual acceleration/speed enhancements.

Does anyone have any recommendations? Either for the bike build, adept powers or otherwise.

>>49350932
There's two, both with 8 body and 9 armor.
There's the H-D Scorpion from the core book, which is availability -.
And there's the Yamaha Nodachi from R5 that's about twice as expensive and 12R, but the speed and pilot are a tad higher.

>>49351092
Oops, thanks!

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>>49350161
Sure, that'd work. You couldn't do real healing though, no first aid or whatever. There's a bunch of fluff reasons why it shouldn't work, but it's not the most unbalanced thing I've ever seen.
>>49350676
Your GM shouldn't be allowing people to pick different build methods, they have ludicrously different power levels. That said, aside from specialising in an exotic weapon being a bad idea mechanically, pretty much anything will sort you.

>>49351214
>Your GM shouldn't be allowing people to pick different build methods,
Yeah, I tried to talk to him about some things but he wouldn't listen. Ended with some real nonsense going on that may have our characters all die from one of us being a spastic in and out of character.

>>49351214
Which build method do you prefer overall?

>>49351105
If you want to GO FAST you want an Air Spirit in your bike.

>>49351425
Wouldn't be too hard to make myself a mystic adept, but what the hell sort of system is that?

>>49351214
>specialising in an exotic weapon being a bad idea mechanically

But what if I just want to cut through an incoming car with my monowhip?

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>>49351286
Depends on the kind of game I'm running, but I mostly use a slightly-tweaked karmagen; characters are all required to start with a value of three in their physical and mental attributes, but they can refund the points spent at no cost with a justification.
>>49351438
I hope you have a good docwagon contract for when you inevitably critical glitch.

>>49351105
Improved Reflexes is always great. Also take the Speed Demon quality if you plan on going fast nearly all the time.

A personal favorite of mine from R5 is gecko tips. Aside from a great escape plan of just riding up a building, makes for a great way of side income by playing chicken with other riders that don't know you have them. And don't forget your spoof chips and morphing license plate(s) in case you've got a GM that'll throw everything he can at you.

>>49351214

He's a Medi-Mage. He casts Heal, which he can do one handed. I mean, no, he can't do First Aid, other than throw a Medkit on them and set it to Autopilot, but his Schtick is the Heal Spell

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>>49351574
As soon as I saw your words, I added Gecko-tips to my sheet. Thanks, going to have some real fun with that.

Got a question about Chummer though, this lower segment has some -27 numbers and I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell they are. Consulted the book a few times, but none of these appear on the actual vehicle stats?

>>49351800

Too many mods added. You cant go over a certain amount and right now you're 27 over the powertrain mod limits and 10 over the protection limits.

>>49351828
Damn. I only even have two mods which influence those though. Guess I've gotta find a way to get past that.

>>49351839

What ratings do you have them at? if I recall correctly speed mods are only 5 points for rank 1 and the others are 4

What's the highest unarmed damage you guys have managed to get in 5e?

I ask because another player in a game I'm in claims they can build a character with almost 40P DV, but refuses to tell anyone how.

>>49351874
Even speed enhancement 1 puts me at -4. Goddamn, here I was, thinking I could truly go FAST.

>>49351895

Get a better bike for the base.

>>49351915
Only better bikes are ones with 8 power, but are 2 speed slower. Guess if I want to gofast I have to get a car. How weird.

How important is reaction for adepts focusing on melee combat? And how can I get the most out of unarmed combat for adepts? I can't seem to get much DV for unarmed combat.

>>49351107
Gracias, omae.

>>49351993
Not getting hit is only second to not being seen. Not hurting as much from being hit comes a distant third.

Agility, high physical limit for high accuracy (more hits = more net hits = more damage)
Then strength and adept powers.

>>49352071
Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks!

>>49351993
The only stats that a combat character doesn't need are Charisma and Logic, and the way you boost unarmed damage is Bone Density Augmentation and Striking Calluses.

>>49352118
Ah, unfortunately I'm hoping to pick up regeneration in the future so those are no-go, until I can afford deltaware.

>>49352139
Then don't go unarmed. Get a weapon focus. Better damage, WAY better dice pool.