/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>49311851
>How do you like 'em?
Cyber, personally. Shame the system practically hates you for trying, though

>>49311851
Bio all the way. I usually play a mix between combat and face, so usually it's either edge or bio.

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>>49311851
>* Running Dervish.BTL...

Damn fangirls. Back to the manga with you!

>>49311851
>Street Sam Edition. How do you like 'em?
>Bio or Cyber?
>Fast or Strong?
>Mundane or Awakened?
Does Street Samurai no longer refer to a chromed out angry man anymore? Last time I checked, it was a pretty specific term.

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Does anyone have pictures of trolls being sneaky?
because searching for it I either got Sneakers (the shoes), trolls (shitposters) or the small fuzzy ones (with tumblr hair)

Because I'd really like to see pic related with a troll pulling it off

>>49311934
Any Idea for fixing it?

>>49311851
>Bio or Cyber?
>Fast or Strong?
>Mundane or Awakened?
prefer my shadowrun somewhere around 2050 or earlier i think.
So cyber all the way. Mundane, cause why else would you chop your limbs off? And as for fast or strong, I kind of like the unnaturally precise shooter kind of thing.

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>>49312120
I always distinguish street samurai by two things
1) They are heavily augmented combatants. If you're an adept, you're not a street samurai (yes, bioadepts still count as adepts, cheesemonkeys).

2) They need a code. The amount of augments they have distance them from humanity, so they need something (maybe not an mechanical Code of Honour, but at least a similar devotion in the fiction) to help keep them grounded, rules they can fall back on to direct their behaviour and help them keep the humanity they have left.

Without a code, they're razorboys, they're thugs, they're muscle, they're gangers, they're anything but deserving of the name samurai.

>>49312120
the definition I personally use is "main role combatant with a focus on augmentation"
Augments can be Bio or cyber, they can be a walking tank or razor-(boy/girl) and while they should focus on augmentation there's nothing prohibiting adept powers as long as they are not the focus of the build.
An adept with only a Hand-of-God is not a street sam, but if he has multiple cyberlimbs, some headware and uses only a few adept powers he's a sammy

This however is only my personal definition

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SO, last thread there were several non-connected runs listed...I'll compile these next for my Shadowrun resources pack.

>>49312129
>Any Idea for fixing it?
In 5e, I'd cut the costs of a chunk of the things and maybe lower the avail of a select few. Trying to be a cyberware-user, at this point, is almost as expensive as trying to be bioware but with the added drawback of you're basically on empty essence.

>>49312129
A lot of the problem is the wacky way cyberlimbs stats are calculated, and the wacky way they're applied to skill checks. If you just went back to the older-style system where a cyberarm gave you +1 STR (and a cyberleg gives +1 AGI) to your augmented total rather than calculating every limb separately and averaging them for everything, it would make limbs both more viable and easier to use.

It would also cut the price down for samurai starting out, because you wouldn't necessarily need to spend 100k nuyen on each limb for stat customization.

>>49311851
I prefer my street samurai strong, fast, extremely durable, and permanently on drugs.
>>49312264
>If you're an adept, you're not a street samurai (yes, bioadepts still count as adepts, cheesemonkeys).
What about cyber burnouts?

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>>49312476
I'll post up the runs I have...

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>>49312500
I think that's deliberate design. There's no rule saying you can take only cyber or only only bioware. You get bioware for expensive but low-essence straight boosts, and cyberware for the things that no meat can do (like grapple hands, crazy armour, big smuggling compartments, etc).

The only modification I use for cyberware regularly is to start limbs at the metatype base stats, because otherwise it's just ridiculously costly.

>>49312586

>cyber burnouts

Then you're a cyber burnout.

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>>49312591
>>49312476

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>>49312476
>>49312591
>>49312619

>>49312598
>I think that's deliberate design.
I know it is. The devs decided to ramp up the costs of everything in 5e as a balance issue, but they went too far with it.

And I know you don't have to go only cyber or bio, but seeing as chromed-up murderguy is one of the biggest archetypes of the setting, making it almost cost-inefficient is dumb

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>>49312637
>>49312619
>>49312591
>>49312476
last of the ones I found in the last thread.

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>>49312542
I suppose you could do that if you wanted to give the finger to physiology.

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>>49312586
>What about cyber burnouts?

If they have enough cyber that their humanity is threatened, and they need bushido to keep them in check, then they count as street samurai.

Never met one at the table, never had to worry about it before.

>>49312675
An extra 1 strength per cyberarm isn't going to let you lift a car, dude. It would, however, streamline the system and make skill checks involving full-body movement like gymnastics or stealth require less number-crunching to determine which limbs apply to which test and averaging them.

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>>49312738
>he doesn't pre-calculate the potential combinations of limbs to easily determine dicepools and aid speed of play

It's like your SR character sheet isn't even 5 pages, anon.

>>49312794
I knew a guy in college who didn't play SR but would write up cheat sheets for characters...dual wielding, uneven cyberlimbs, with and without magic, split-pools, counters, force:drain on spells, hacking etc...

he was in graphical design course and smooth data management gave this guy a boner...

now if only players would simply fill out a plain, large-print data-sheet of all of their basic shit...the time of genuinely fast-paced play may finally come...

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>>49313096
>now if only players would simply fill out a plain, large-print data-sheet of all of their basic shit...the time of genuinely fast-paced play may finally come...

Shadowrun is a game that clamours for a really good tablet app/computer program during play. Something to quickly switch out deck configurations and programs, to quickly handle changing conditions and wound penalties, to handle shifting background counts easily, etc.

I want it so bad

>>49313328
yeah...
well, perhaps if we clammor at the Chummer guy hard enough maybe we'll get something...does he have a patreon? a kickstarter?

>>49313615
>at the Chummer guy
you mean the Chummer 4 guy? or yekka?

this is actually a good question
yekka, do you have a patreon?

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>>49313615
Yekka refuses money. And I wouldn't want to put this on him anyways; Chummer is a side project for a couple of guys on their off days.

This is the kind of thing that should be done by CGL, or rather a company like Roll20 or Beyond Tabletop or some real programming company, an official product with official support. It's time to step into the 21st century.

Plus Chummer's UI is pretty bland and ugly; the design focus is on parsing SR's insane rules, not a beautiful user experience. I'd want something that looked better than a Windows XP program.

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>>49312129
>Does anyone have pictures of trolls being sneaky?
closest thing i got

>>49313762
>done by CGL
are you serious trogga?
>I'd want something that looked better than a Windows XP program
>not digging the retro look
I shiggy diggy doo

>>49313782
Not exactly but still grateful
thanks chumbalaia

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>>49313834
I mean that CGL should be footing the bill. I did specify getting real programmers to actually do the work. I would have said Hero Lab, but they're not doing a stellar job so far.

>retro look

If I want retro styling, I don't want it too look like what's on a wage slave's monitor. I want Omae. That's my jam.

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"Friendlier and more active, seeks attention, soft, hypoallergenic, and ITS FAVORITE FOOD CAN BE BOUGHT AT ANY LOCAL EVO "NEW FRONTIERS!!" petporium get your Silk Snek© today and don't forget specially formulated Snek Snaks© kibble to keep your new best friend healthy"

I'm planning a run where the group has to steal (or repossess after they have been stolen) the first viable pair of EVO's newest designer pet line along with all relevant data on them. (so depending on how I roll it they can either run for, or against EVO)

Does anyone have any great idea for curveballs to throw at a group of runners who are stealing cuddle thirsty, fluffy snakes?

>>49313955
>Does anyone have any great idea for curveballs to throw at a group of runners who are stealing cuddle thirsty, fluffy snakes?
There has to be a joke about electric sheep and replicant strippers in there somehow, but I can't figure it out.

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>>49313955
They run into the stock creatures Sneks are derived from. including basilisks

One of the scientists working on the project planned to get one for his daughter's 8th birthday, 3 weeks before official rollout. He's taken some critical info and hidden it in his personal possessions. Possible double-twist: security discovers the missing pieces and tries to find it, putting the PCs in a quiet race to his office.

One of the Sneks falls in love with the decker. Can he set aside logic and the run, and learn to love a cuddly buddy?

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>>49312129
Does this count?

>>49312120
It still refers to a chromed up fucker with a code of honour. People around here just use it for anything.

>>49314120
That ninja's hands are larger than his head jesus christ

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>>49314133
The better to subdue you with, my dear.

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>>49314066

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>>49314095
love both of those ideas.

>>49314120
technically not a troll, but fuck it. Metatype Reduction exists for a reason
thanks chummer

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>>49314279
Yup ... nfi on how you'd find stealthy trolls. Here's some robutt for your troubles. I hope you find it and post here.

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>>49314203
There's three ideas there, chummer.

>>49313762
>Plus Chummer's UI is pretty bland and ugly
Function before form thanks

>Yekka refuses money
I used to do that for my hand-braided whips before people started literally throwing money and raw leather at me...shoot him a lump sum it might get him to try it.

So I asked this in the last thread but never got a conclusive answer: what kind of sniper rifles can fit in a large drone mount? (Specifically a Mini-zep.) Also, is there some kind of tag gun so that I can fire tags at people and use them to direct the drones to shoot the right things?

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>>49314685
>Function before form thanks

I'm in the same camp for Chummer; it's workable and that's what is needed. But for a professional, official product, I have higher standards about the look of it.

>>49314748
Your conclusive answer is, "If you can convince the GM it's a hunting rifle, either because it's classed as a sporting rifle or it's obviously intended to be so, then it uses a large mount. Welcome to CGL editing."

>>49314748
>Also, is there some kind of tag gun
No, but there are tracker rounds you can load your guns up with. Page 55 of Run and Gun

>>49314748
> is there some kind of tag gun

If the drone has a LOS to the target, it should be able to place an ARO on it.

>>49314777
To be fair, that's sort of a corner case, all things considered.

The Street Grimoire, on the other hand... that's just unforgivable. It probably has the highest error-to-page ratio of any RPG book ever published.

>>49314858
It's a bad sign when the errata is several pages and doesn't address all the issues.

>>49313096
Too many fucking ellipses.

>>49315681
>not supporting true flow-of-consciousness style prose

>>49315681
guys, just let it be goddamn dude...

>>49315840
is that what its called?

>>49316007
You could call it that. I think the official name for the stylistic device is Stream-of-consciousness, though.
I am currently slightly distracted by the wonders of those Amazon.com button thingies that order stuff over wifi.

Can my runner have one of those for NERPS in his flat?

>>49316007
No. It's called shitty punctuation and poor writing, especially in your case 'doesn't capitalize or use normal periods for some reason'-anon.

>>49316044
>NERPS
The hell is a NERPS

>>49316320
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=shadowrun+wiki+nerps

>>49316320
Nipple Eraser Resource Personel Service

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>>49316320
New Eradication Rat Piss Spray

>>49316370
Not Every Role Player Sucks

>>49316365
>Still uses Let Me Google That For You in 2016

What an ass.

>>49316400
Nascent Embarrassment Redirection Professional Solutions

>>49316433
>still asking questions dumb enough to need lmgtfy you in 2016

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>>49314685
Here's the thing: I'm time-poor, not money-poor. Donations, while appreciated, are essentially useless to me and present a headache in terms of how I split that money up between the current development team.

I've considered doing a Patreon, but unless I was able to get enough income to do things like hire a UX/UI guy to review the layout (not cheap, generally a huge hassle to work with unless they're familiar with how the application is used) the odds are relatively low that I'd be able to make enough money to justify the extra effort in maintaining patreon rewards. Also no idea how the hell I'd implement reward tiers or whatever.

The closest I'll probably get to directly accepting donations is putting up an affiliate link to drivethru, as that would directly give me credit I can use to buy the books as they come out and get updates. Even that I'm super leery about doing it.
>>49313328
>Deck Configurations and programs
You can already switch ASDF attributes around in career mode; program loadouts wouldn't be super hard to implement. Raise it as an issue on the github and I'll get to it once I finish refactoring the Options interface.
>Background counts
Is part of the Player Dashboard, which was disabled because it's buggy as fuck and I had other priorities at the time. One of my players used to use custom improvements to manage it, but I think the current setup for custom improvements won't play nice with that.
>>49315064
It's a bad sign when the reprinted book that was advertised as having new errata didn't include all the existing errata.

>>49317006
Don't go towards the light.

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>>49317195
You can't stop me!

If a rigger is jacked into a vehicle, can a decker with restart it and dumpshock the rigger?

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>>49317223
Not a command, it's a warning.

>>49317006
So, is there any way we can help you help us? Aside from reporting bugs, I mean,

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>>49317229
DNI commands trump remote commands.
>>49317428
The major one really is just raising bug reports and enhancement requests. We'd really love to have an interface guy and/or more feedback on how to make the application more understandable, because as is we've got our hands in up to the elbows in the code so it just makes sense to us.

>>49317768
The only actual UI bug I've noticed is that if you try to mark a character as "created" and they have skill group choices left, it will incorrectly tell them that they have special attributes remaining instead.

Is there any way to increase the speed in which drugs activate?

I'm wanting to make my guy have, effectively, a squirt bottle of DMSO and Zen, so he can just Squirt people when they are getting "too heated" or "losing their shit" or "Freaking out over nothing"

But, a 5 minute activation time is a bit long.

>>49317768
Hey yekka, is there any ETA on when/if the drone modification system from Rigger 5.0 will be added to Chummer? They currently use only the vehicle modification system, and I'm pretty sure that's not right.

>>49318572
Would that be the mod point shit? I think one of the other devs was working on that in his own branch but may have stopped working on it. I haven't heard from him in a while, I'll look it up.
>>49318364
Short of GM fiat, no.
>>49318120
Whups. I'll fix that when I get home.

>>49318711
Yeah, the mod points and such. Drones are supposed to be using that system - with its drone arms and different weapon mounts and such - not the vehicle mod system. Chummer as it stands doesn't really properly support non-vehicle drones.

>>49311851
>Is there any way to increase the speed in which drugs activate?
Yes, an infuser thing from Bullets and Bandages. It requires hooking someone up to an IV, though.

>>49314849

Yeah you've got it the wrong way round: I want to place tags on things so the drones don't need LOS, not the drones tagging things so I don't need LOS. That way, I can have a bunch of sniper drones in the sky shooting through buildings at anyone I tag.

>>49318862
If you're close enough, just slip a tag in their pockets.

>>49313762
Problem for me, at least, is that any kind of official program will inevitably be SR5, which isn't my jam. If someone ever decided to make a SR2 or SR3 program, that'd be pretty wiz.

>>49318862
As was mentioned before, I believe, you can shoot things with tracker bullets. Even if they don't do damage to the target, they can get stuck in armor and work functionally like a stealth tag.

Can someone please explain how Concealment works?

Does it work against tech? Sensors? Spirits?

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>>49318761
My plan at the moment is to finish refactoring the options interface, then start on setting up the optional rules so that they actually work as intended. A lot of the time at the moment Chummer just does a grab-bag of every optional rule is enabled from the start, which causes a bunch of problems. My eventual plan is for optional rules to be attached to the sourcebooks, so when you enable Hard Targets the rule for getting free Matrix subscriptions is enabled and you can turn that on or off as you want. I have a suspicion I'm biting off more than I can chew, but we shall see.

>>49312129
That's not how fire sprinkler systems work. Reee.

Hey anyone else have a problem with Chummer not correctly accepting gear toggled as free? It adds it and just still takes the cash from the sum total

So reading the path of the samurai in Run Faster

>Justice guides the samurai's hand, compelling the samurai to act against those who would hide behind a law or to punish those who would break one

...How the fuck can a runner believe that and still be a fucking runner? Isnt breaking laws their bread and butter?

>>49319876
Career or creation? What kind of gear item?

>>49311851
Mixture of bio and cyber!
Focus on tanky and fast.
Mundane.

Also, does anyone know of any essential sort of street sam upgrades one should take for improving dice pools?

I currently have a sort of purposely gimped street sam elf with 4 cyber limbs because I like that idea. She's got anywhere from 14-18 dice for unarmed combat depending on using martial arts, touch-attacks and so forth, 8 body and 28 armor, 7 agi 6 rea 4 int, 10+2d6 for initiative. Is this a good enough dice pool, or am I seriously missing out on things? Kind of new, here.

Is it possible to make a character that uses trained animals to do things?

>>49320090

That depends, if you let drones count as trained animals, then yes (see: Ares Cheetah). If not, then I don't know.

>>49319958
>What is Hooding?

>>49319958
>...How the fuck can a runner believe that and still be a fucking runner? Isnt breaking laws their bread and butter?
by cherry-picking the laws that apply

>>49311851
>squatting ass to grass with shit ankles.jpg

>>49319991
Creation, just doling out some minor freebies and tested with basically anything under street gear and vehicles.

Intended to just hand out some minor personal items for a couple players for free since it's nothing too big.

Career works just fine, just checked. Can hand out whatever.

>>49319958
>laws
>necessarily reflecting justice
justice is defined by the hand that claims it

>>49320107
Plus prioritizing:
A little B&E and light theft, plus a few dead bodies here and there, is perfectly justifiable if it means you manage to bust a Bunraku ring.

>>49320107
>>49320139

So..in short

>fuck the laws stealing from corps is robin hood style justice

Alright GM's, how do you whip up things for your players to shoot/stab etc? I will if i have to but i'd rather not go through and stat all my mooks. (i suck with numbers)

>>49320011
You're doing just fine, omae. The main thing you should look at now is boosting your Initiative a little more, if you have any Essence left.

If you're running too low on Essence, though, the Narco gene mod and some pharmaceutical-grade Jazz can really help supplement that where important.

>>49320011
Anything in the teens is usually enough for combat skills. Anyone using automatic weapons can get by with a bit less if they have enough recoil comp.

Your initiative is a bit low for a combat-focused character, but that's a very normal consequence of blowing a bunch of essence on cyberlimbs. Outside of augs, your two main options are drugs and edge, which work as something to use in a pinch (but of course that require your initiative to otherwise be good enough, which 10+2d6 probably is).

If you want to try and squeeze more initiative out of your essence, your options are reaction enhancers + synaptic accelerator, and the synaptic booster. Both of which are considerably more expensive than your WR 1.

If you want to go hard on drugs, a nephritic screen and implanted auto-injectors are effective and fairly affordable. The Narco genemod is an option, but isn't at all necessary.

>>49320154
Well, when you think about it, how many laws does a single corp break in a single day anyway?

Your own transgression will amount to a drop of water compared to the ocean of shit that megacorps get up to, so why NOT stick it to them?

>>49320193
Thanks, I'll check that out! Main thing is that I took synaptic booster so I don't drain my essence too much, which means that even with 450k starting money I'm basically bankrupt after everything and setting at 0.6325 essence with biocompatibility.

>>49320198
Didn't get WR 1, actually, I got synaptic boosters so I could at least have over half a point of essence by the end. I do have 4 edge, though! I'll check out the nephritic screen and auto-injectors, although I might have to hold out on those until later because I literally have $14 left after character creation.

So if I were to get some kind of data jack and connect an RCC to it, could I then use mental commands to command drones without needing to jump into them? Or am I misreading how RCCs/DNIs work?

>>49320274
Synaptic Booster 1 is just worse than a synaptic accelerator, unless you are playing a high-paying game where replacing the synaptic booster with a higher-rating version is possible.

Also, be aware of the wording on what initiative boosting augs stack with what. The synaptic booster says it doesn't stack with anything, while the wording for others are a bit different. Worth double-checking with your GM on exactly what he will allow.

>>49320290
Yes, you can do that. You can also do that without a RCC, just not as well. The benefit of jumping in with a control rig is using your own stats and the boost from the control rig while doing stuff with the drone. Ordering a drone without jumping in has it use its own, probably worse, stats.

>>49320198
I'd argue that Narco is the lynch pin of a drugs build, between the boost to drug effects and significant reduction in crash effects. The nephritic screen (while still fucking amazing) is less fundamentally essential, especially with pharma-grade being available to ease addiction risks.

>>49320290
You don't even need the datajack - trodes work fine, if you don't have a Control Rig.

>>49320290
If you only want to command one drone, you can do that with a commlink and just using the send message action over and over. I guess you could manage two drones that way, but anything more than that and it becomes unmanageable unless they're all doing the same thing at once all the time.

If you want to command more than one at a time, you want either an RCC or a VCR, and any form of DNI will work.

>>49320290
An RCC allows you to send commands to multiple drones with a simple action. Connecting to the RCC via datajack gives you some noise reduction and means you don't need to physically interact with it to send those commands.

>>49320628
Theoretically, would it be possible to use some elements of decking to improve a drone's capabilities? Like programming in an ESP or the likes to run its systems, then perhaps when using a deck to control it, using the ESP to speed up responses and commands?

>>49320654
No. What you're talking about is already represented by the drone's Pilot Program and Autosofts.

>>49320654
Not really, that's represented by its Pilot rating.

>>49320654
>speed up responses and commands
Man, that reminds me, can you use the rules from Data Trails to hardwire a module into a drone? I'd really love to give a drone a Multidimensional Coprocessor, to boost its initiative dice.

Been reading the old Brainscan campaign, and there's this bit:

"If Huang is killed, the players will discover that he was just a look-alike decoy, and the real Huang has already been captured by Deus."

The whole campaign is really railroady but that takes the cake - I don't mind maybe upping the challenge on the fly, like deciding another squad is in the area if the players run-and-gun and blow through initial opposition, but that kind of plot armor is like Bad GMing 101. No good campaign plot should be so delicate that if the players do something smart like deduce a way to foil the villain's plot in advance the whole thing is now derailed so the players' actions must be nullified.

It's really just one example of how the campaign is written more like a showcase of the authors' intended story rather than a campaign where the players are in the driver's seat. Apart from doing the necessary killing to move the plot forward there's really no opportunities for the players to make their own decisions or significantly deviate from the story, which is heavily dependent on meta-plot characters in order to enable their own future stories. Were the Shadowrun writers at the time just really chained to their pet characters and novel tie-in series at the time, or are they still like that today?

>>49320669
>>49320673
Well, then, better question: can you design your own pilot program when upgrading an existing drone, or building your own from scratch - or is it one of those 'buy the parts' deals?

>>49320715
>a campaign where the players are in the driver's seat
To be fair, it's quite rare to get a truly freeform experience out of a campaign splatbook. Big campaigns like that all rely on railroading to a degree, because if they didn't the books would all be 600-page-long CYOA interactive novels. One-shot campaigns are much better suited for that sort of play.

>>49320699
you can hardwire it, definitely. whether it actually affects the drones initiative when doing stuff is not clear, because drones dont really have "Matrix initiative"

>>49320729
if your gm allows it, its possible, but theres no rules for it beyond the stupendously vague and unhelpful guidelines for stuff like that. you can buy new pilot programs, but theyre pretty expensive

>>49320342
Gotcha, will do, thanks! Don't think it's going to be a high-paying game.

>>49320715
It's something of an artifact of the times, but most big campaign books are like a bunch of sausages; relatively wide for a while, then they pinch down to a required thing that MUST happen, then wide for a while again.
>>49320729
Not by RAW; you could fluff it as the cost being booking time with a Host and rapid-prototyping until you get something that works, I guess

>>49320628
>you don't need to physically interact with it to send those commands.

That's basically what I'm looking for, I want to be able to point at a guy and tell my pack of Cheetahs to attack it. I'm thinking of fitting Remington Roomsweepers in them too.

>>49320783
Fair enough. I've been tinkering with the idea of making a drone that serves as a satellite relay, while giving it a datajack or a cable that it can plug into terminals and then transmit my decker into the console that way. Just sort of spitballing the feasibility or utility of the thing. The idea would be for it to be a small-sized unit - small enough to fit into even the smaller vent spaces that standard drones can't get into. The obvious drawback would be that it would have shit-tier durability due to its size and being designed for infiltrations and remote-decking.

>>49320342
Oh, and do you know where synaptic accelerator is from?

>>49320903
>>49320342
Ah, nevermind, found synapatic acceleration in Chrome Flesh.

>>49320903
Chrome Flesh, 162.

You should download Chummer5, too, from the pastebin in the OP. Even if you aren't using it to make characters/NPCs, it's hugely useful just for collating data.

>>49320940
Understood. I'll transfer all the stuff I have in one of those google docs with formulas into it, haha.

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Hey guys, can you think of a better way to represent that a skill group is broken than the current setup we've got here?

>>49321096
Perhaps rather than just saying "broken," have an icon instead, like a little grayed-out lightning bolt or a broken sword.

Perhaps, in the future when everything is pretty, have every skill group color-coded for a quicker visual reference.

>>49321096
You may want to present it in English rather than German.

>>49321181
To expand a bit on this, have two sets of icons for broken vs. unbroken skill groups, like a lit lightning bolt vs. grayed-out bolt, or a sword vs broken sword. It'd save some screen real estate as well.

The whole "italicized skills can't be defaulted" thing isn't super-obvious, either, but I'm not so sure what to do about that one without taking up a bunch of space and annoying the folks who have memorized everything.

Hello. Today, I have a mission for you. I have decided to build an unarmed adept. He has 7 Magic, and I have no idea how to build this guy. I was even tempted to change him from an unarmed adept to a blade adept with a Katina until my GM let me use knucks as weapon foci. What powers should I take?

>>49321281
Critical Strike & Elemental Weapon.

>Critical Strike can apply to weapon attacks
>Elemental Weapon exists
>Weapon foci exist
>Penetrating strike isn't applicable to weapons
Why

>>49321308
OK, I took looks at those, they look good. I'm going with fire for the element on it. I also took 4 levels of Penetrating Strike, and 2 levels in the reaction enhancing power. I also built 2 levels in Attribute Boost (Strength) Anything else?

What book is SSP in Chummer?

>>49317006
>>49317223
NUCLEAR GOOCH!

>>49321370
Shadow Spells. Part of the Grand Options Refactor is going to be adding thumbnails and descriptions of the books to help forestall questions like that. Should wind up looking like ComicRack or something by the time I'm done with it.

>>49321327
What does elemental weapon/strike actually do though?

>>49321459
Gives your attack an Elemental type, so you can get say, a flaming sword, an electric one, that stuff. There's also Toxic options.

When making a chaos mage should I put 6 in WILL or 6 in INT? seems like going 6 INT and 5 WILL would be far more efficient.

>>49321364
>2 levels in Attribute Boost (Strength)
Are you using the English or German version?
>This only affects your dice pools
Attribute Boost: Strength (English) is only for some very dedicated Lifting/Swimming/Running builds, and because it actually increases the attribute, it counts towards the same +4 maximum as any augmentation or other attribute bonuses.

In short; only get 1 rank, and only for Agility.

>4 levels of Penetrating Strike
Go for Berserk and Spirit Claw instead.

>2 levels in the reaction enhancing power
Improved Reflexes? If you have the cash/karma, a Qi Focus can be bought to gain the third rank. (which isn't a bad idea for low PP powers, either)

>>49321459
It does the stuff listed on Core 170-171. Fire helps stuff catch fire, Electricity reduces dice pools and initiative, Water does improved knockdown/puts out fires/shorts electrical goods (don't want to be touching them when this happens), Cold breaks armour, and Acid reduces Armour Value.

Electricity is the better choice, and it forces P damage vs Equipment & Drones/Vehicles.

>>49321471
>>49321550
Is that even worth the points?

>>49321570
Eeeeeeeh, not really.

Unrelatedly, why is the YOU ARE A DOLPHIN SWIM LIKE LIGHTNING power an entire fucking 1pp?

Is Swimming somehow THAT strong? If you swim hard enough, do you fucking take flight?

>>49321570
For Fire? You need to be dedicated to setting things on fire without tools, and be playing the kind of game where that toollessness matters ... otherwise, not really.

>>49321570
Acid is good against heavily armored targets, whittling their protection down and making them vulnerable to subsequent attacks.

Electricity reduces iniiative of the target, which limits their options.

Fire helps against weaker ones. Set one on fire, you won't have to waste a coup-de-grâce and be able to move to the next one immediately.

All in all, it can be a nice little bonus in the right situation, but you can perfectly do without.

>>49321587
Swimming is really fuckin conditional on having any need for it. You can go entire campaigns where it's entirely unnecessary, or have others where it shows up every time you step outside.

>>49321570
Acid can be theoretically useful, but it's a pretty niche thing for some armor stripping. You can punch down barriers faster with it, though, which functionally means that your adept can punch his way through a wall, any wall, given enough time. But again, pretty niche.

>>49321633
OTOH, a dedicated punch adept can probably already Smashing Blow through walls.

>>49321658
Maybe, but smashing blow is stupidly overpriced and it can ONLY be used on walls, while elemental is both cheaper and more versatile. Also, a bunker has 32 armor and 16 structure points. Even the hulkiest of troll adepts would have trouble with that one if it wasn't softened first.

My favorite variation, though, is the toxic adept version where you punch with radiation. Like, how is that even tangentially useful in a game? I guess beating up sprawl gangers and then checking up on them weeks or months later to watch their teeth and hair fall out?

>>49321486
6 INT will give you an extra point of initiative and more starting knowledge skill points, 6 WILL gives you an extra dice on memory rolls and composure tests. Seems pretty clear cut in my opinion, you go INT.

>>49321697
It's a toxic ability, it's not intended to be used by player, it's intended to be used on players, who might be around long enough to get cancer. Also, enough radiation can kill you pretty damn fast.

>>49321852
Wil wil also grant you one more die to resist drain (unless you resist with WIL + INT), which is interesting. But I'd go for INT too. More init just seals the deal.

>>49321892
Chaos Mages do in fact resist drain with WIL+INT. INT is the clear winner here.

>>49320185
Take the players' character sheets and average out their combat rolls. Then, depending on how easy/hard they are remove/add dice.

How would the timeline be different if Deus had been stopped at the Arcology?

>>49322100
http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

There you go. Start crossing things out from 2060 onwards.

>>49322128
>http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
Biggest difference I can figure is without him, there's no second matrix crash with the Novatech IPO. That means a slew of changes to the Corp landscape (Cross not getting wiped out, for example) and the Wired Matrix not getting destroyed all at once, so probably a slower transition to Wireless. Would probably have big knock-on consequences to the existence of Otaku, Technomancers and lesser AI as well.

>>49321697
By RAW? Unarmed Adept+Smashing Blow+Radiation Elemental Strike means you do double DV to barriers and your attack ignores all armor unless it specifically has radiation resistance. And even then, it only adds the rad resistance.

This basically means that a Rad-adept Troll Ghoul is a fucking living bulldozer capable of tearing through any structure like it was made of butter.

>>49312070
B-but America-san is my husbando!

>>49322625
Doesn't really matter when you need to be a toxic adept to take it.

Is it worth grabbing licenses for everything that you might possibly have on you? Or should you just avoid contact with law enforcement at any cost?

>>49322810
Get licenses for things that you are or do; cops are going to pay close attention to a civilian with a shotgun, but they'll overlook a bit more if you're a parazoological exterminator.

>>49322892
So if I get a license as a bounty hunter do you think they'd write off my narcojet-coated shurikens (not sure if book-legal but GM said it was okay), smgs, shock-gloves, restricted ammunition, restricted cyberlimbs, concealed weapons, and concealed carry?

What are some interesting yet still viable builds?

>>49322914
You always, always, always need a weapon license. Depending on how anal your GM is about that sort of thing, you may also need a concealed carry license, a driver's license, license for automatic weapons, etc.

If the GM (or the cops) decide to check EVERYTHING, there's a pretty good chance everything doesn't have all the licenses it should.

This is actually one of the advantages of playing a SINner, in that you don't need to pay for fake licenses for things that persona would normally do, like driving or having cyberware.

>>49322979
My character is a SINner, but she has restricted cyberware and is planning on getting more. I assume that normal SINs wouldn't cover that, which is why I purchased a rating 4 fake SIN too, and then I've been grabbing licenses for everything like smgs and concealed carry and concealed weapons etc.

How would you port Harrowed to SR5?

>>49322993
Well as a SINner you really probably want an alter ego with a fake SIN to increase the chances that Aztechnology doesn't blow up your neighborhood. Unfortunately, if you get hauled into jail by the cops for botching a run there's a good chance your rating 4 SIN (and all the licenses with it) is going to get burned. That's probably the only time ALL of your licenses would get checked, so it's not really super-important to have a full array of licenses. It's only really important if you're playing a face-type character and you want to legitimize that identity.

You only really need the major things that cops or corpsec might inquire about on the street. I normally just get a weapons license, a concealed carry license, a driver's license, and a mage license.

>>49323028
Got it, thanks!

>>49322970
I've been thinking about playing a Nartaki mage of the Hindu tradition, probably going with a Great Mother totem and focusing on healing, party buffs, and nonlethal conflict resolution. Probably toss in the Conjuring skill group if I can afford it.

Sadly I don't really know enough about Hinduism to actually make it work, which is sad because apart from the weird caste system thing, Hinduism is an absolutely fascinating religion.

>>49322914
Probably; you might struggle if you're in the middle of the street flashing your gear or something, but the major benefit of a fake licence is adding credence to the lie you're trying to tell someone. So if you get pulled up in Tacoma and you can convince the cop you're chasing a bounty you've got good odds of getting out of things without major problems.
>>49323016
Use the one that's in Bullets and Bandages?

>>49323064
SR4A only, friendo.

HARROWED
Bonus: 15 BP (SR4A only)
Sometimes dying isn’t the worst thing in the world. A
character with the Harrowed quality has seen the other
side but was too tough, too mean, or too stupid to stay
dead. While he may have survived to tell his tale, he lives
a haunted life straddling the line between the living and
the dead. The character gains the effects of the qualities
Critter Spook (p. 117, Runner’s Companion), Nasty Vibe (p.
114, Runner’s Companion), and Spirit Bane [spirits of man]
(p. 96, SR4A). In addition, the threshold for any Treatment,
Stabilization, or Healing test performed on the character
(as opposed to by the character), including those made
by magical means, is increased by 1. At the gamemaster’s
discretion, any character who uses a Hand of God (p. 75,
SR4A) or Not Dead Yet (p. 57, SR5) to survive what would
otherwise be a fatal encounter may gain the Harrowed
quality during game play.

How much should one dump into skills at char creation?

Because I keep trying to go through this shit, always end up forgetting something important (like buying guns, or having a contact at all), and I have to start over because I squeeze myself short on points and have none I can squeeze out elsewhere. I know I'm buying too much everything, but I figure if I can trim my skills list to something reasonable I'll do fine. I don't know if that's it, considering I don't even max anything out.

I also might be spending too much on attributes

>>49323084
First of all, what kind of character are you trying to build?

>>49323064
Gotcha.

And does anyone know of any way of lowering availability on items a bit? I'm trying to make a character with four cyberlimbs and customizing them so that they're hitting the max stat limits for the metatype's str and agi, but if I try to buy them as alphaware they'll be at availability 13, and if I don't buy them at alphaware I'll have 0.03 essence left after everything which is probably not the best idea.

Funny thing is, the character's own attributes are already maxed as far as they can go for str and agi, so I'm not really looking for cheese, just for flavor, I guess.

>>49323090
A (mostly) rusty combat medic. Using magic as well as mundane medical skills.

>>49323084
What archetype are you going for?

Also, there's a bunch of skills that you don't really need more than 1 point in unless you're going to be filling that role for your group, like pilot ground if you're not rigging or computer if you're not decking. Shadowrun is also very skewed towards specialization during creation, because a skill from 0-1 is 1 skill point but 2 karma, but 5-6 is 1 skill point but 12 karma. For those lesser skills, I usually just pay the 2 karma so I'm not defaulting, or just leave them alone.

You can fill in the gaps and round out your character after a few runs. At creation, you're better off putting a handful of most-useful skills to 4+ at least.

>>49323113
If you trim it down completely, you'll need:
- First Aid
- Medicine
- 1 combat skill
- Perception
- Etiquette
- Assensing (can help to see exactly what is wrong with someone)
- Spellcasting (To cast your Spells)

And that's basically it, along with a Medkit, a weapon, and some spells.

Summoning can be very useful in a pinch, if only to guard your back while you patch a wounded team member up.

Lone Star employed elves and shit right? it wasnt just humans?

>>49323167
They employed everyone, even the subbest of subhumans (Trolls and Orks).

>>49323153
I usually recommend a firearms skill and a melee skill.

>>49323121
I don't buy anything higher than 4 skill wise, and that's Automatics, First Aid, Medicine, and Spellcasting.

The rest is mostly 1 pointers with the occasional rank 2

I think it's the attributes or gear then. I do love buying me piles upon piles of useless shit.

>>49323153
That's actually including shit I haven't been buying. Well shit.

If I make an infected Harvester variant elf, is it recommended to spec into magic powers because of the dual nature or should I just hide in rooms or something to avoid line of sight if people start throwing spells at me from far away?

>>49323197
Melee skills aren't really required for a Mage, because touch spells exist.

>>49323210
Harvesters are among the least affected by the drawbacks of being dual natured, because they can freaking move.

>>49323220
Even if it's only a point or so, it's useful to have so you're not borderline incompetent when using a knife in a situation that spells won't help you out of (ie; blades & survival knife when you need to cut yourself free of ... idk, awakened kelp), the local situation isn't conducive to spellcasting (bomb recently went off / there's a background count that's not aspected to the spells you want to cast), if you want to parry a melee attack (say, when there's not enough room to dodge), or in a pinch you need some knowledge about knives.

>>49323255
So by move do you mean they can dodge or run for cover really fast? So should I invest in magic stuff or just go full street sam?

>>49323265
They get the Movement critter power, which effectively multiplies their movement rate by their Magic.

They'll still need to find cover if someone is floating beyond reach and slinging spells, but they can cover ground and smack an astral or physical spell caster far easier than anyone else.
>>49323255
>in a pinch you need some knowledge about knives
Blades.

>>49323280
Gotcha, so I should still take magic. Is it worth grabbing any bioware or cyberware, then? Or should I go adept or something? Are there any example builds?

Wait, do Infected no longer get an Essence hit?

>>49323064
Hey, uh, I'm not sure if this is actually not working, but being a Harvester is supposed to give +1 Initiative Die, yet it doesn't in Chummer.

>>49323381
One Essence down if the transformation doesn't kill the victim for HMHVV 2-3.

HMHVV 1 brings you down to 1 and you lose some/need to replenish it on a regular basis.

>>49323405
It doesn't appear to have done that in Chummer?

>>49323405
>HMHVV 1 brings you down to 1 and you lose some/need to replenish it on a regular basis.
If you start with HMHVV I or Ia during chargen, your starting 6.0 essence isn't affected, far as I can tell.

>>49323439
Nope, apparently it's straight-up it becomes 1 fuck you full-stop, which basically means it's unplayable.

>>49323452
Even if you can support that, it's only as permanent as the next feed, where they can choose to raise their essence & magic back to normal.

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>>49323077
fgsfds.

Power Name 4th edition 5th edition
Critter Spook -5 BP (negative), -2 w/ animals -5 Karma (negative), -2 w/ animals
Nasty Vibe 5 BP (positive), +3 Intimidation 5 Karma (positive), +2 Intimidation
Spirit Bane [Man] -10 BP (negative), pisses off spirits -7 Karma (negative), limited to mages, -2 difficulty to summon, +2 resistance (for the spirit) to banish

So the total BP value was -10 in 4th edition. In 5th edition, the total Karma value is -7. The quality's total BP value was -15 though, which means that it had an extra surcharge of 50%. I would surmise this is because the character doesn't need to be a changeling to get Nasty Vibe with this quality. So for a 5th edition conversion, I'd still use the 50% surcharge, making the quality a 10-Karma negative quality. However, because this quality can be taken by non-mages, who otherwise cannot take Spirit Bane, I'd probably bump it up to a 15-point negative quality.

TL;DR - I'd say 15 points for 5th edition.

>>49323091
Tehnically speaking, Essence means diddly fuck for you. You can upgrade your ware to recover the Essence hole if you want to add more ware later on.
>>49323381
They're supposed to, I haven't figured out how to implement it properly in Chummer yet. It's a bit of a hassle.
>>49323396
It's more that I forgot to go through all the Infected and make sure their bonuses are correct.

Alright, there is DEFINITELY something fucky with how Chummer is handling Infected. It's throwing off weird ass numbers on the attributes, it isn't reducing Essence properly, Mutaqua has Fear(Low-light Vision) as an option.

>>49323526
>Tehnically speaking, Essence means diddly fuck for you.

Eh, what do you mean? My GM seems to be placing a lot of emphasis on having at least a bit of essence so you aren't a nearly mindless robot without personality.

>>49323526
Alright.

What can I do to help with the Infected stuff? I'm looking into making one currently, and it isn't really working properly, and you've done a shitload for the community, and I want to at least help in some way.

How do I do that?

I don't know precisely what it's doing when you add the +1/+2 to attributes, but I'm fairly sure that's supposed to raise the minimum, and at present it just turns it into X (X+1 or X+2), rather than it being just like say metagenic improvement and actually increasing it. When I made a Troll Mutaqua, and I raised up my attributes after applying both bonuses to Str and to Will, it bugged out and the numbers started being off. Harvester, too, did the same general stuff. Numbers acting fucky and weird, not really appearing right.

As for the Essence thing, give them some sort of non-fillable non-removeable Essence Hole?

>>49323539
>My GM seems to be placing a lot of emphasis on having at least a bit of essence so you aren't a nearly mindless robot without personality
Your GM has overemphasised the effect of low essence for their own reasons. Even at 0.01 Ess, you're only more prone to mental health issues.

>>49323539
That's up to how responsible your GM is about fucking you in the essence hole

>>49323561
Huh. If you could give me a source for that I'd love to show it to him.

>>49323539
Your GM is describing something that's strictly fluff. The only thing that having low Essence really does is make your Social Limit slightly smaller (and I'm talking 1 or, at worst, 2 points smaller) as you become just slightly more awkward. And even then, Charisma remains by far the bigger component of that.

>>49323577
Ah... I see... I guess I'll have to have a talk with him about what direction he wants to take the game.

>>49320783
Don't drones just use their matrix initiative while in meatspace? I know that's what a rigger uses while Jumped In.

>>49323539
Of more immediate concern is the fact magical healing on you gets a dice pool penalty per missing Essence.

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>>49323557
>>49323526
Got a screencap.

>>49323600
I didn't notice that it ALSO apparently decided to somehow take both Mutaque AND MysAd, despite me not taking MysAd.

>>49323568
>This is what happens when people see others
with augmentations—on some level, people notice there is something less (or more) human about that, and they respond to it negatively. The change may not be exactly visible, but it is in some way noticeable—in one way or another, a person has become less human, and on some level other people notice this. This is why a character’s Essence is included in the calculation of their Social limit.

That is literally the text from the essence description in the core rulebook. That's the full extent of the effects of low essence. It weirds people out a bit because there's something about you that isn't quite right. At most, going from 6 to 0.01 takes off 2 from your social limit.

It's not the end of the world, and it doesn't make your character a robot. You'll get MORE respect from similarly-chromed folks, too, rather than less. From other runners and from gangers and the like.

>>49323568
Have you asked them to specifically source their opinions on the subject? Have they compared those opinions with the enforced mechanics vs optional mechanics?

> There’s also the slight sense of a change in your body that comes with an implant. A lot of these sensations are subtle, but they add up. The slight loss of fl exibility in a limb with an implant, the slight temperature difference between a piece of ’ware and the rest of your body, or the way synthetic skin doesn’t stretch as well. Or simply the sense that there’s something in your body that isn’t supposed to be. Not only does it make you feel a bit different, it sometimes makes you feel like you’re not even yourself.
> Hard Exit

> Some of the disassociation may come from people’s responses to heavily-cybered individuals. Having a conversation with someone who never blinks can be unnerving, not to mention if his eyes glow with blacklight intensity and his body happens to be built like a refrigerator. Someone sporting that much ’ware can’t help but pick up on feelings of alienation from the people around them.
> Baka Dabora

There's enough to support a minor change on essence loss, and that some will develop stronger issues over time.

>>49323617
>>49323616

Thanks, guys! I'll ask him tomorrow when he's awake, haha. In either case, I have a backup character idea in case things go south.

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>>49323557
>>49323600
>>49323609
Hmmm. Well, for starters I'd need to know what's actually missing from them. I suspect it's mostly just the initiative modifier, but it could be qualities and such. Um. The optional powers they can take are probably all fucked up as well, I didn't put much effort into that.

Nobody's given me a straight answer on whether the bonus to attributes is supposed to affect the base rating (ie increase karma costs) or not, so that'll be why they're shown as bonuses.

Adept Mutaqua become mystic adepts. It's shenanigansy and I hate it, but it's needed for Reasons.

>>49323526
That PTRS-41 is way too big. What is it chambered in, bloody 30mm?

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>>49323639
It's for killing tonks

How many fake SINs should I have? I already have one rating 4 one but I have a feeling that more would be useful..

>>49323634
For Harvester:

The Attribute bases are fine, Armor bonus is there, Movement, Enhanced Vision, Dual Natured, Natural Weapons, those are all fine.

I'm UNSURE if they're properly getting their -1 Cha, since the base is 1/4, and it's still 1/4, so I don't know how that one is calculated properly. Presumably, it's correct as it currently is, since the base dropped to 1/4 out of 3/8. Logic Also dropped to 1/4, so dunno on that.

They're DEFINITELY missing +1d6 Initiative Die, their Movement Rates need an extra +1 multiplier and that needs to be compatible with Celerity if they end up taking it.

Does that help somewhat?

>>49323673
Actually, looking at a real picture of a PTRS-41, I realize just how absurdly large the ejection port is. There's no way it's 14mm ammo is that big.

>>49323720
Well, he and his PTRD brother were know to dislocate shoulders if you didn't pay attention.

>>49321096
Wait what, Yekka is a kraut?
I always thought you are of frog.

>>49323695
Oh, another note is that how the bonuses are added for the infected stuff needs work. When I did a Mutaqua, and I bumped their Str after boosting it with the infected stuff, it suddenly disappeared the bonuses.

>>49323752
Could be both. Could be Belgian.

>>49323774
I don't think this is unique to Infected, though. Changing your priority arrangement after you've already allocated stat points can put your character into a really weird state, especially if you change races. I think the program just doesn't handle sudden baseline stat modifications properly if stat points have already been assigned. At least not in create mode.

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>>49323752
>>49323785
Nah, it was posted by one of the Germans on the issue tracker and I didn't see much value in remaking the problem.
>>49323720
IS FOR KILLING TONK.
>>49323695
The problem with the -1 LOG/CHA thing is that again, nobody's given me an answer on whether it's supposed to be a dice pool malus or actually affect the base rating. If it's supposed to affect the base rating, there's no indication that it can reduce the value below the minimum. I have a vague suspicion that I haven't applied that part properly/at all though.

>>49323818
>The problem with the -1 LOG/CHA thing is that again, nobody's given me an answer on whether it's supposed to be a dice pool malus or actually affect the base rating
Logically, I'd go with dice pool malus. If it affects the attribute, they would have started with a lower base attribute.

Is it stupid of me to have a dedicated vehicle to carry my drones that follows using its pilot program while I drive the van? Or should I try and cram the drone racks into the van?

>>49324040
You could do the latter but then where do you stash the bodies?

>>49324082

Hmm true..

Alright I'll ask the street sam if he'll be a secondary driver so he can drive whatever team vehicle I mod up and I'll just have my pimp van to myself.

That makes more sense considering I'm also a snoipah so I'll probably be sitting outside ready to give some cover during the exit and sending my drones in with them as support so I can jack into them.

>>49323818
Oh, it's not a dicepool minus. That would be -1 on Logic-linked tests.

-1 Logic is -1 Logic, a direct reduction to the stat itself.

Was the other feedback stuff useful, though?

Should I go through the others?

>>49324149
If it's an attribute penalty, why is it there, rather than p135?

>>49324183
CGL.

I assume it's an attribute penalty, but that it's already rolled into the base statline.

>>49324219
No matter whether you take dice penalty, attribute penalty, or rolled into somewhere else non-penalty, it's done wrong.

>>49324245
100% not disagreeing, which is why I think the way Yeeka handles the penalty is fine, since I'm like 90% sure it's baked into the stat natively for infected.

Main stuff that needs fixing was linked earlier.

>>49324277
>100% not disagreeing
Yeah, I get ya ... just ... 5e. Fuck.

>>49324306
Well, to be fair, CGL has been pulling this sort of faggotry since waaaaaay the fuck back.

I'm going to say fuck it and go post a thread on the forums, and see if I can get any actually useful feedback.

If I were to buy suped up cyberlimbs, would I use their attributes for tests?
I'm asking since in Chummer5 I keep getting 3 (3) AGI and STR if my natural attribute of 3 despite having legs that both have 6 AGI and STR.

So..just to make sure here, I'm not the only one who loots the shadowrun returns game character portraits to use for my characters/NPC's right?

>>49324338
You need to turn on one of the optional rules/houserules so that it doesn't be a cunt about that.

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>>49320856
If you have those haptic gloves, that's pretty much what you do with them for physical input. AR is a hell of a thing.

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>>49323577
>>49323561
Fuck your wishy washy bullshit. If at 0.01 Essence you aren't holding onto faint scraps of humanity with your chrome fingernails, you're not doing it right.

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>>49324398
You are not. This is my pupper, there are many like him but this one is mine.

>>49324618
Or you just use trodes. Any DNI can be used for the full range of AR input and output.

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>>49324398
>>49324781

This is my mage. It was a bitch shooping the electric decker bits off him, but worth it for that cocky smirk

>>49324750
Yeah. I don't care if the rules say anything about the effect of a very low essence score.

I find it thematically a great concept and a good source of internal conflict and character development.

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>>49324854
IMO, anyone who's essence dips below 4 should be handed Hatchetman's chapter from 3e Cybertechnology, just so they know where they're headed.

>>49325011
I agree. While I have to say, that I don't necessarily think everyone must play it out fully in all cases. Some people are more mentally stable and sturdy than others. Or already fucked up in their mind anyway, so it does not show that much.

So, I can see rare cases, where a person can just deal with it, while others completely break from the existential crisis of heavy augmentation.

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>>49325168
I think that breaking and disconnect is necessary, but how it manifests is different. I know some guys who have gone full cyberpsycho, barely in check, and one guy gone full OCD, constantly checking written lists to ensure that he does everything correctly (he had lists that told him what to do when he gets home so he remembers to eat and sleep and change his clothes, and a much shorter list he could check in combat to tell him when to stop shooting).

>>49323577
Doesn't having super low essence diminish your astral aura as well? Or is that strictly a fluff thing?

>>49325236
I don't usually play heavily cybered characters, but if I played one, I think an interesting spin would be becoming a heacy hypochondriac in regards to the functioning of your ware.

Since you have become so heavily dependant on it, you get paranoid over any quirk or little glitch. Or while on a run, you are thinking the 13th servo in your left clavicle is running on like 97% efficiency only today, so you call off your group, aborting the run, so you can get to the only doc you trust and get a full diagnostic.

>>49325284
The roleplay? 10/10

The New York Jew accent? A little much

>>49322718

I think he was offering it as a tool for GMs to throw against a party, Anon.

It'd be a hell of a thing to lure to a corp lab.

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>>49324338
By default, Chummer averages using your head and torso as limbs; there's an option in Options > Character and Printing that sets it back down to 4.
>>49324149
Yeah, it's actually super helpful to get direct feedback on these things. Do me a favour and pull the latest nightly though, I think I fixed a bunch of that stuff recently. Sorry, bit frazzled today.
>>49325260
It's a fluff thing. There's no mechanical impact on a mage's ability to assense you or anything

Hey Yekka, when I make an AI, it doesn't allow me to pick an attribute, doesn't increase caps and turns red if I save, close and reopen the sheet.

Also AI are karmagen only.

>>49325650
No worries, man.

Is there a more direct way to give feedback? Is there like, a /srg/ Discord or IRC?

I'm definitely down for going through and trying to figure out any bugs on shit or stuff that looks like it has issues.

Also, I posted in the FAQ thread for this whole thing, too.

Here: http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=11514.1590

>>49325650

Chummer's averaging is kinda borked though: it takes 4 Str/Agi 8 cyberlimbs, Redliner, and a base Str/Agi of 2 and somehow gets 2(4).

>>49325665
When i pick exceptional entity.

Forgot a whole chunk of post.

>>49325260
>Doesn't having super low essence diminish your astral aura as well?
Kinda. It leaves dark spots that someone can Assense to identify your ware. But that's true regardless of how much or how little Essence you have left.

>>49325650
Downloaded the latest Nightly, and I'm not sure if I somehow got the wrong one or what, but here's the screencap of just a basic elf with Harvester.

https://i.gyazo.com/c616eeb7093a737090117c393914f344.png

Initiative bonus isn't there, armor bonus calcs correctly, I'm not sure if you even CAN have a 0 in a stat and that appears to be what it's forcing.

>>49325650
Imma be back in a few hours. Going to take a nap for a bit, then I'll see if the new version appears on the site. I only see up to Nightly-v5.183.41, which it says was out two days back.

>>49325665
AIs do some annoying bullshit in priority I need to code around. I keep getting halfway through refactoring the priority code to support it, realise I've done it completely wrong and bin it all.

I'll take another look at them tomorrow sometime in karmagen, far as I know they WERE working properly.

Red text means the quality isn't implemented. From memory I never implemented it because of the annoyance of uncapping the attribute or whatever. It's been a while since I've looked at AIs.
>>49325674
I've considered setting up more of a community thing with a discord or slack or something, but I prefer just shooting the shit in these threads for the most part. God knows it's better than trying to talk on the shadowrun forums. There's a dev channel on google hangouts, but that's a bit of a ghost town most of the time.

Honestly the most helpful thing you can do is raise problems on the github, as it stops me forgetting about them.
>>49325718
Looks like Redliner isn't applying to the cyberlimb stats for some reason? I'll look into it first chance I get.
>>49325837
Initiative bonus looks like it's being applied as a general unnamed bonus for some reason. Like I said, the attribute malus is annoying and vague, but as far as I can tell it adheres to raw. If it's supposed to affect the base value then there's gonna be some issues, but eh. Burn that bridge while goodman's on it, hopefully.

>>49325236
>Cyberpsychosis manifesting is blatantly obvious manners
>Not manifesting in actual psychopathy
Low essence boost to charisma when?

>>49325928
AFAIK, any attribute penalties cannot reduce an attribute below 1, except in the case of things like Nerve Strike.

Also, I'm like 99% sure I have an old build, or that the site hasn't updated.

https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/releases

As of the time of posting, the latest build is: Nightly-v5.183.41, which doesn't appear to have the Harvester changes.

If it's an Unnamed bonus, shouldn't it just be stacking with everything? It isn't even appearing in the basic init, since default a Harvester with nothing else should be at X+2d6 Initiative Dice, I'm fairly sure.

And yeah, I can report them on Github too.

Honestly, I'll probably say fuck it and throw up a Discord sometime if interest shows in it. IS anyone interested in that? Place to shoot the shit, maybe organize games, somewhere with a bit more permanence than the threads? Not in place of the threads, just as an additional thing.

>>49325963
That file should work, the Harvester changes were in a commit from about a week ago. This one. https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/commit/e8d84ce22daa27da58f0a80c5f5765409ba26e63

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>>49326048
Noticing a weird glitch. Made a basic elf decker in Nightly 183.40 no problem, but couldn't open it later, only got this unhelpful basic error message. Updated to .41, same problem. Checked all the other characters, they all work except for "?", a human street sam, who causes the same crash.

>>49325011
>>49325168
>>49325236
My big issue is that pretty much all of my characters are chromed out, and I don't really want to play an insane person every time. Like it's pretty shitty if I just want some nice chrome for my street sam and the only RP options to chose from are various forms of crazed killer. As if street sam's weren't already boring enough.

>>49325928
>Looks like Redliner isn't applying to the cyberlimb stats for some reason? I'll look into it first chance I get.

Weird thing is, when you mouseover the 2(4), the tooltip gives the breakdown as:
>Agility (or Strength, happens with both) (2) + Redliner (2)
>Obvious Full Arm (Left) (10)
>Obvious Full Arm (Right) (10)
>Obvious Full Leg (Left) (10)
>Obvious Full Leg (Right) (10)

On a tangentially related note: what can a chromed up to the gills street sam do with 14 left over karma? I've maxed out on nuyen and I'm mundane so spells/PP/technomancer nonsense is out.

>>49326524
buy traits as appropriate for your character, cuccboi

>>49326567

I've maxed out on that too.

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>>49326602
Turn it into money, buy more shit.

Buy another point in an attribute, or some skills.

There's ways to spend it anon, and we can't offer any other advice because we don't know shit about the character.

>>49326635

Fair point, I hadn't really narrowed it down much had I? I maxed out on nuyen and qualities, no magic available, and most of my stats are 5s (and one 6, human obviously) and when with 4 obvious full limbs with every stat going.

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>>49326682
Buy some skills. Which ones? I dunno. Con, Ettiquete, Sneaking, different weapons skills, Knowledge skills, whatever you want.

>>49326682

Buy some knowledge Skills and impress your team when you actually know a thing or two about Ares Security Procedures so you can slip into the next corp job unmolested.

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What's the best weapon your sammy has had? No "muh Alpha with a couple mods", something that's actually worth the title. Pic related.

>>49312680
This pic makes me want to create a full contact game that is essentially rugby/American football/ulama/quidditch
Has all the full on contact as rugby and American football, but the player is not required to pass the ball and can charge for the goal from the toss up. The goal is ten foot high, and is basically a vertical basketball hoop on a stick a la ulama and quidditch. The ball looks like a quaffle from quidditch and the only ball in the game

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>>49328683
Have you read the rules for Urban Brawl? It's basically that, without the retarded hoop.

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>>49328873
Given to the troll with the 12 STR cyberarm?

>>49328683
There are seven people on each team, one goalkeeper and six runners (very original, I know). A goal is worth one point, with 13 being the point limit. If a shot at the goal is missed and goes out of bounds, the keeper throws the ball back into play, and both sides start on that half of the field in each quarter. The field is oval shaped, separated into quarters, and a semicircle in the last quarters that are the goalkeeper's boundaries there is a circle at the center line where the captains of both teams face off in the toss up as in basketball. Players are not restricted by the boundary lines, but the ball is. Whether or not the ball was caught out of bounds, it automatically means the team that didn't touch it last throws it back into play from the quarter it went OoB from, unless it is in the opposing goal quarter, in which case it is thrown back into play a quarter back

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>>49324398
>>49324798

Gotta love photoshop.

>>49328949
There are two rounds, twenty minutes each, with sides switching at halftime. Whichever team that has the most points wins of course, whereas a tie results in a final round only seven minutes long. If neither side scores in that time limit, it's a draw.
>>49328790
Nope. Plus the hoop is that extra challenge, like the mesoamerican ballgame seen in The Road to El Dorado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pF03BXxUSY

>>49328540
A cyber spur hooked up to a poison chemical gland. That thing got a LOT of mileage.

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>>49329068
I didn't know you could use poison with one of those. I thought it needed the bioware stinger.

>>49329166
Nope, read the entry for the Weapon Reservoir and start murderfucking fools.

>>49329277
>murderfucking fools.
Cyberdong with poison gland
I'll call it
"Coitus Killer"

>>49329337

I am absolutely positive this was a thing in CP2020.

Going from 5e to 4e with a character. How hard is it going to be to go backwards?

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>>49329633
Should be pretty easy. What kind of character?
and why does your GM hate you

>>49329633

For the most part, stats and skills should be 1:1, despite the change in the 'what a stat at this level means' table.

Cyberware should be mostly the same, some effect variations, and most of the wireless buffs you get without wireless.

If you've got a drone set or if you're a hacker style character, there's going to be quite a lot of changes, but analogous options exist for the most part. Magic is almost unchanged.

>tfw you put all your money into Bioware and have become such a monster that your team attempts an IC intervention

Nobody was complaining when I was taking on an Adept with my bare hands all by my bloody lonesome.

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>>49329842
It's OK, anon. They just don't understand. You need to just bite out your face's throat and assume control of the pack. That'll show them who's boss.

>>49329842
Sounds to me like you should get Addiction:Bioware for a few extra Karma

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>>49329913

He already has Sensitive System, but it is a consideration.

>>49320855
>bunch of sausages
Perfect way to describe how I've always thought campaigns work for the most part. If there is going to be an actual story, then certain things tend to be necessary for that story. How you get from Point A to Point Z might take you through Points G, U, T, E, and then 7, or just straight through the alphabet. This is where the players choices matter and change things.

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Could anyone help me out? I'm a newbie 4e GM, and my group have done the Food Fight and On The Run modules, and I'm looking for something to move onto, but not really sure where to look, and I'm definitely not at the point where I could write my own campaign or anything.

Would anyone be able to point me in a direction to go for 4e? Stuff to look at or anything?

Bearing in mind that I have the 4e GM screen and some books, would making the jump to 5e be beneficial at all?

>>49330034
>direction to go for 4e
As in direction to where I can find more material?
Or as in "What direction should I set the campaign?" ?

First is easy
READ THE GHOST DAMN OP PASTEBIN

second is harder:
What did your players prefer: Legwork, Talking, Drama or Combat? Order them from most liked to least liked
What did YOU prefer? Same as above
Long arcs or Run Of The Week?
What do you want to focus on in the runs? Technology? Magic? Wildlife? Metahumanity (the top and the flop)? Occultism? Oppression? You decide

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>>49330034
If you prefer the paper books, then no don't get to 5e. If you don't mind getting digital and taking the copies in OP and you've had problems with cheesemonkeys rolling 20+ dice or vandeckers, then switch. If none of the above, your choice.

As for adventures, nothing wrong with kicking it old school. Queen Euphoria is well regarded as one of the best ever made though it might lose some of the impact now that bugs are well known, but told well it's still a good time, Mercurial and Imago are solid, as is Elven Fire. I stand by the original Harlequin book as something that can work entirely without Immortal Elf bullshit, and just be two powerful people dicking with each other over personal beef, which gives a good opportunity to play up parts of SR that get lost in corporate espionage.

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>>49330148
>What did your players prefer: Legwork, Talking, Drama or Combat? Order them from most liked to least liked
>What did YOU prefer? Same as above
>Long arcs or Run Of The Week?
>What do you want to focus on in the runs? Technology? Magic? Wildlife? Metahumanity (the top and the flop)? Occultism? Oppression? You decide

Those are not questions that can be answered well on a Syrian bombmaking forum, because they're very specific to the group. I've seen literally all those variations preferred by different players and different groups. It's the kind of thing you need to sit down with them and talk about, to make sure everyone's on the same page about why you're playing pretend with a bunch of fat beardos for 6 hours every other week.

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>>49330148
>>49330185
Oh, wait, you're asking him, not him clarifying. My bad, misread the first couple lines.

>>49330185
>>49330200
I did not say that he has to decide them on this south american lama herding site. But thinking about them is a good idea.
A group that likes talking and interacting with characters is gonna be bored to death if most runs are "Go there, kill them, get paid" just like if they wanted fast paced action and got "here is a social get together, infiltrate it, talk these people into telling you the info, then leave quietly"

But the GM should try to make the runs something he enjoys as well. Maybe have some conversations between leaders, plan an attack and then go full out. Maybe suddenly the get together is attacked by armed mercenaries that have taken hostages, save them and kill the attackers.

Third is about what the GM is good at. Personally I want to make long Story lines, but I recognize that I'm better with small, short runs interspersed with story relevant ones.

Fourth is simply: What do you and your players like about the setting? Do you enjoy the new stuff being discovered or created? Do you want to fight giant monsters? Or do you prefer your runs to be about how people live in absolute poverty, unbelievable wealth, who are alone, together by choice or necessity?

So, the rules state that you can't make magical bullets with alchemy, because.... like, the barrel will scratch and damage the "anchor".

I was looking through the core rule book, and I read through the Dart Gun and I had an idea.

Could you use alchemy to make a potion (basically) and put it into those darts, so you could snipe with it, and the fluid inside the dart remains undamaged?

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>>49330672
Maybe by fluff. I'd say no as GM, because I don't want people burst-firing Death Touch.

And for the guy who was looking for sneaky troll art, have this one.

>>49330828

Nah, I'm more looking to, like, play Ana from overwatch, get an Ammo Skip upgrade from Run and Gun, and have half my darts snipe for, say, death touch, and half for healing potions

>>49330882
Are you the same guy as before, or is there more than one person trying to copy the same character?

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>>49330882
>>49330908
Also the dart rifle is a shitty sniper, Ammo Skip is in Hard Targets and not R&G, and you can't get Ammo Skip for something that doesn't have a cylinder or a drum.

>>49330908

Different guy, I guess? The idea just hit me.

>>49330970

Damn, wrong book. Ah well. It was a thought.

>>49330828
>sneaky
while that's nice troll art the troll doen't seem to be, yanno, hiding.
The only way that that keeb is missing them is if they roll a crit glitch on their perception test
still thank you for your effort

>>49331099
The troll is clearly standing guard as his companion liberates that dwarf of his excess hand, in as sneaky a manner as someone dual-wielding Roomsweepers can.

Does a player need points in a matrix skill to roll for a matrix action like Matrix search?

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>Checking out PACKS in Chummer5
>Monowhip pack
>10 starting nyen with karma, a monofilament whip and a DocWagon contract.

>>49331280
>Does a player need points in [skill that can be defaulted] to roll for a [skill that can be defaulted] such as [skill that can be defaulted]
no
But you'll likely be shit in it if you default

>>49326048
That's odd.

What were the changes, exactly?

How do you feel about bosses or boss encounters in your games, /srg/

>>49331280
As >>49331363 indicated, you won't be very good at it. Depending on the associated attribute.
Which does not mean, that you can get none information out of the matrix whatsoever. I'd say that total surface stuff like looking up a term on a Wikipedia equivalent needs a rool.

But anything to do with more obscure, in-depth information, or sources of information that are more close community, you will have a hard time getting into.

>>49331508
>I'd say that total surface stuff like looking up a term on a Wikipedia equivalent needs a rool.
Okay. Why?

Strange question: are there any cryogenic weapons in shadowrun? Could I make a version if Victor Freeze?

>>49331473
They should be big robots, big monsters or big robot monsters.

>>49331849
Because in my eyes it works the same as comparable skills. Like driving ground vehicles. You don't need to roll to go to your nearest NovaBurger franchise and get through the drive-thru without crashing. Your character manages day-to-day activities without any challenge just fine.

The same goes for computer related skills, and moreso for data search. If it is information that any schmuck with a commlink can google up in 30 seconds, a roll is wasted time.
Exception can be made, if your character has some special impediment, like computer illiteracy or uneducated. Something that shows that he is less versed in using the matrix than your next Joe.

Of course, the juicy information, that will hold real value for a runner, will be harder to find/gain access to. That is what the skill is for.

And another tidbit to >>49331280 's original question. Matrix Search and other matrix actions seem to be simple [Computerskill] + [Attribute] tests limited by the stats of your commlink. So it depends on the associated computerskill like Computer or Cyberwarfare and if those can be defaulted on. If yes, I see no reason not to be able to use the associated matrix action, albeit with the effects of defaulting.

>>49331868
You could do it with magic; Shape [Ice], Ice Spear and Ice Storm, etc.

Add in some HoldFast spray and a customized suit of light milspec (gas mask in the meantime), and you're close enough.

>>49331473
Well first of all there is the rule for SR: "If you let your players fight the boss he will most likely die"
I like my bosses far away, never doing things directly, instead manipulating events to get there. Instead of a single enemy to fight, pit them against an army, or at least a few professionals. Use the surroundings to challenge them.
You want to cast in here? Too bad, Background count, better hope you have a backup.
You coordinate everyone? Too bad, jamming and blocking, better hope you can meet up again.
You focus on legwork to plan everything? Too bad, maps are outdated, Guard rotations don't cover the fresh force, Contacts are unavailable.
You have an escape plan? Too bad, tunnel is ghoul infested, doors are slamming shut, cyberzombie out of nowhere

Make them realize that no matter how well they prepare, there is always SOMETHING they missed

>>49332043

I was looking for more of a Mundane character, so... Where do I get Holdfast Spray?

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>>49332198
Run and Gun.

In 4E, if one were to dual wield pistols, would they be able to fire 4 shots per phase? 2 from each gun?

>>49332012
>Your character manages day-to-day activities without any challenge just fine.
You might want to re-read what you wrote, because what I quoted said you think people should have to roll Matrix Perception to do a Google search for a dictionary definition

>>49324750
Great example of someone who didn't have proper mental health support.

>>49325011
Yep. Nothing like handing people the ramblings of a cyberzombie when they're just getting augmented. Because that's where all of them are headed.

>>49332412
Ah, yes. Thank you for catching that. I hope it was clear enough what I meant, for the guy asking the question.

Shallow matrix searches in publicly available and well-known sites should not require a skill-test.

>>49332064
>"If you let your players fight the boss he will most likely die"

Now that's not necessarily true. One boss our group fought is arguably still alive. Of course, he probably wishes he was dead, given that we handed him over to the Triads for pissing them off, but still... Technically, still alive.

>>49332557
>most likely
and yeah, it probably should be generalized to "most likely lose", but given the average party "die" fits

>>49332064
Going "ha ha, you fail" no matter what the players do is bullshit and you know it, omae

Do you get better results from doing karma point buy or just doing sum to ten/standard priority? I feel like the normal sum to ten/standard method gives more free stuff or something?

>>49332612
>ha ha, you fail
that's the extreme which one shouldn't cross.
The other is "you suddenly can't do that. Oh you still want to? Well okay then.
The changes should not stop them from being able to finish the run unless the runners are (exceptionally) stupid. Every of these should be solvable with other means. Think "Sensors not specified in the plans", "Guard pulling a Watergate", "having to run from ghouls in the sewers", ...
Something that throws a wrench in your gears.
These things should be used just often enough: not enough and the players don't feel challenged, too many and the players lose hope

>>49332751
Depends on what you are trying to build. Karma gen favors more breadth but less depth.

>>49332825
Ah, gotcha. I'll stick to sum to ten, then, for an adept street sam HMHVV elf haha.

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>>49326170
Send me the files?
>>49330882
Health spells can't use contact triggers.
>>49331399
Can't remember, I moved a bunch of stuff around. Fairly sure I changed the specificattribute to hit value instead of minimum and added all the initiative improvements.
>>49332751
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/2rhrlv/sr5priority_karma_values_and_sum_to_ten/

>>49332854
Banshee, Ghoul, or Harvester?

>>49332899
Tinkering with Banshee and Harvester at the moment, the regeneration power looks nice for the future but Harvester has that movement power and natural weapons.

>>49332892
Thank you!

>>49332605

Fair enough then. I'm pretty sure most SR can avoid killing when necessary though, and in this case it kinda got us off the hook for technically failing the run (though the girl was dead days before we even got the job, so I still call it unfair).