Warhammer 40,000 general

First for Wile E Coyote Marines.

>>49317774
Why not give it something else, that's a bit more balanced, and doesn't further promote and legitimize OP bullshit? Like an invul save. Orks need more of those, right?

So the Death Company Chaplain is an HQ choice that comes with crozius, artificer armor, inferno pistol, and jump pack?

>>49317798
You could make it more powerful and make it a 4++ instead sure.

Any Anons from Atlanta that can point me to a good FLGS down here?

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>>49308078

Reminder that its more than likely nothing.

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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
>Bs2
>S3
>ld7
>6+
>They're really fired up!

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First for new Orks when

>>49317830
Sure, why not. As long as it isn't stacking FnP, because that's pure bullshit no matter who has it.

>>49317853
After new Tyranids.

>>49317853
Never
Everything but tau, Imperium (except SoB), dameons, eldar and crons squatted when?

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>>49317851
>Tau are a shooting race!
>BS3

>>49317860
FnP is strictly worse than an invulnerable save, because it can't be taken against Instant Death or Strength D weapons.

Barring wired points and rules changes, this looks like it might actually be pretty fun providing the rules hold. I'm now pretty jazzed I can use my whole collection more coherently. Now I need to fit in my tanks and I'm golden.

+++ Blood Angels Death Company Strike Force (1745pts) +++

++ Codex Adeptus Astartes: Blood Angels (2016) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ (No Category) +

Blood Angels Warlord Traits

+ Formation +

Chapter Ancients
Dreadnought
Dreadnought [Twin-linked Autocannon, Twin-linked Autocannon]
Furioso Dreadnought
Furioso Dreadnought [Frag Cannon, Smoke Launchers]
Power Fist [Meltagun]
Librarian Dreadnought
Librarian Dreadnought [Psychic Pilot (Mastery Level 2), Technomancy]
Drop Pod
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Power Fist [Storm Bolter]

Death Company Strike Force
Death Company Chaplain [Crozius Arcanum, Inferno Pistol, Jump Pack]
Death Company Dreadnought [Smoke Launchers]
Blood Talons [Heavy Flamer, Meltagun]
Drop Pod
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Death Company Squad
10x Death Company Marine [8x Bolt Pistol, 9x Chainsword, 2x Hand Flamer, 10x Jump Pack, Power Sword]
Death Company Squad
10x Death Company Marine [10x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword, Power Axe, 2x Power Sword]
Drop Pod
Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
Death Company Squad
5x Death Company Marine [3x Bolt Pistol, 4x Chainsword, 2x Hand Flamer, 5x Jump Pack, Power Sword]

Leaders of the Angelic Host
Command Squad
Company Champion [Jump Pack]
Sanguinary Novitiate [Jump Pack]
3x Veteran [3x Chainsword, 3x Jump Pack, 3x Plasma Gun]
Librarian [Biomancy, Combi-plasma, Force Sword, Frag Grenades, Jump Pack, Krak Grenades, Psyker (Mastery Level 2)]

>>49317723
Simple.
Take the Irons hands chapter tactics.
>Their proliferation of bionics renders them nigh unstoppable
They're cyborgs, this gives that a 6+ FnP/FnP+1

Orks have an upgrade that make them in to cyborgs, this grants them... FnP +1.

It's a running theme in the shitty codexes to have what a good army has only worse.

>>49317928
But FnP can be taken after other saves making it better than an invulnerable save in many situations.

>>49317928
The issue isn't FnP being better, it's that
A) the rules are very clear that FnP doesn't stack unless stated other wise
And
B) the existing stacking FnP is bullshit (namely smashfucker), and as such, it should be done away with, not normalized with the inclusion of more stacking FnP.

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>>49317723
>>49317860
>>49317949

>FnP better than Invulnerable saves

>>49317940
So the reason is one of the very few exceptions I noted, and the exact exception I've said shouldn't even exist?
Ok, got you.

>>49317961
>A model with a 3+ armour save and a 5+ invulnerable save
>A model with a 3+ armour save and a 5+ FnP
Which is harder to kill with bolter fire?

>>49317961
See
>>49317955

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>>49317929
>pasted directly from battlescribe

kys

>>49317966
Oh well if you've said it shouldn't exist then then fair enough.

BUT IT DOES EXIST

>>49317987
THEN GET RID OF IT, DON'T BEG FOR EVEN MORE

>>49317846
Gigabytes in Marietta's seemed pretty cool when I've been up there. So has Raven's Nest, but it caters a bit more to magick. Nicer folks though, I do all my buying there even if I play mostly at Gigabytes.

>>49317986
>kys
Can't do that, my man. Too hyped for Blood Angels. Would be a waste of good models. I think I feel me eight Dreadnought and five tanks "Unbound" list making a legal comeback.

Orks are supposed to be tough

What can we do to make them more tough?

How about -1 str of all shooting against them

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>>49317979
>A model with 6+ AS and a 5+ invulerable Save
>A model with 6+ AS and a 5+ FnP
Which is harder to kill with bolter fire?

applying your example to marine equivalents is idiotic as the topic at hand is Orks, nice try though

Cybork and +1 FNP
>>49317723

Maybe sense of stone should be a +1 FNP too.
But a 4p+ riptide is probably slightly stronker competitively than a 4p+ grotsnik.

>>49318023
6+ FNP as standard, stacks with painboys and cybork.

Ramshackle should be a 4+ and standard on all ork vehicles

>>49318052
>But a 4p+ riptide is probably slightly stronker competitively than a 4p+ grotsnik.
It's logically equivalent. Why should your FnP stack but not theirs? After all, stim injectors make sense of stone useless! GW PLS FIX NOW! :^)
like I said, I'm not opposed to orks having FnP stack, I'm opposed to any example of FnP stacking.

There are a lot of Ork players here, huh?

>>49318052
>But a 4p+ riptide
If p+ is FnP, it can only go to 5+ for any Tau stuff

>>49318083
Ramshackle should be the d3 table for when the vehicle explodes, turning pens into glances is near completely useless on all vehicles that cost <100pts.

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>>49318029
>Orks
A model with a 6+ armour save and a 5+ invulnerable save for themselves and anyone standing withing 12" of them
A model with a 6+ armour save and a 5+ FnP that causes the model to lose an extra wound on the roll of a 1.

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>>49318095
Yes, now go buy an Ork army, play some games and come back to complain, OR GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY ORK 40K GENERALLL RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>49318105
>this autist

Orks are the best army

every time i see orks in a game i hope they win

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So Orks are weaker than.... cultists?

Reposting, based on earlier feedback.

==Black Crusade Detachment==
Free VOTLW is always nice
=Chaos Warband=
Note: Everything in this formation is Obsec.
Chaos Lord w/ Mark of Nurgle, Bike, Power Fist, Sigil of Corruption - 150 [Warlord]
Chaos Sorcerer w/ ML 2, Bike, Force Axe, Spell Familiar - 120
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Chosen, 2 Plasma Guns - 120
-Rhino - 35
5 Chosen, 2 Plasma Guns - 120
-Rhino - 35
3 Bikers, replacing two TL Bolters w/ Flamers. Champion has Meltabombs - 85
3 Bikers, replacing two TL Bolters w/ Flamers. Champion has Meltabombs - 85
5 Havocs, 4 Autocannons - 115
5 Havocs, 4 Autocannons - 115
=Spawn Auxiliary=
2 Spawn w/ Mark of Nurgle - 72
2 Spawn w/ Mark of Nurgle - 72
==Daemon Ally Detachment==
=HQ=
Herald of Tzeentch on Disc - 70
=Troops=
12 Horrors - 108
Total Points: 1850

Army Notes: The Lord joins one unit of you-know-whats, while the Sorcerer joins the other unit. The Horrors/Herald roll on Malefic. Thanks to the Draft FAQ, they get both Psychic Focus and Chaos Psychic Focus. I get three chances to roll for the powers I really want (Cursed Earth, Sacrifice, and I'm ok with the Herald getting Dark Flame).

I prefer to take units in doubles, so I can either split the army into two self-contained "cohorts" of:
-2 Units of "Line Infantry" (Melta Chaos Marines)
-1 Unit of "Rifle" Infantry (Chosen)
-1 Unit of Light Cavalry: (Bikers)
-1 Unit of Heavy Cavalry: (HQ + unnameable things)
-1 Unit of "Artillery": (Havocs)

>>49318179
Weaker than nurgle marked cultists it seems.

>There is a parallel universe where CSM, Tyranids and Dark Eldar are top tier
>If you play Orkz you're a cheesemongering WAAC-fag
>0din wrote an Eldar fandex to fix how terrible they are

>>49318242
>>There is a parallel universe where CSM, Tyranids and Dark Eldar are top tier
>>If you play Orkz you're a cheesemongering WAAC-fag
Don't be ridiculous. That could never happen

>>49318257
To go even further,

>CSM are the posterboys instead of Ultrasmurfs

>>49318242
>0din
>Not space l0ki

>>49318270
Good point, anon. I should've thought it out better.

If I buy the Carapace Armour upgrade for my command squad veterans, is it okay to use Militarum Tempestus models to represent them?

How could I model them to be different from regular Militarum Tempestus?

>>49318213
>charging anything with basic CSM

good luck

On another note
>chosen with 2 plasma guns
Why not just give them to the whole squad? Otherwise your points would be better invested in suicide Raptors with 2x PG + Combi.

>>49317877
My nigger

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>>49318267
Now you're just being ridiculous.

>>49318289
Paint them differently from your normal MT and don't give them hotshot lasguns.

>>49317849
I just realised something, technically the Genecults are unnanounced. There's just that teaser that doesn't actually announce anything.

>>49318311
>Space Marines just received new formations in the new supplement "Loyalist's Fury"

We can go all night.

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I bought some Tau in the past to paint in a few bundles, kept trying to get into the game and never did. Now I want to.

I have a Sniper Team, a fuckload of Fire Warriors, two groups of three Stealth Suits, like three or four regular Suits with I don't know what for bits, the XV-81, a Riptide in the box, Shadowsun, two Devilfish (one has no Drones but has that long cannon upgrade thing on top), a Piranha, and I want that Ghostkeel thing because it looks cool. Plus a bag of Drones of some kinds I dunno, and that third party mini of the Tau pinup girl.

What else do I need?

I have no clue anything of this game rulewise yet, and don't want any non-Tau models if I don't have to. Tau like the race, meaning no Kroot or humans.

>>49318337
Go ahead. I can kepping laughing.

>>49318012
Haven't heard of Raven's Nest; I'll check it out.

Can I just pick up a game at Gigabytes, or do people just plays leagues/tournaments?

>>49318350
>The Tau suffered EXTREME losses in the Damocles Gulf because of the Imperium's superior zeal towards their leaders
>Eldrad actually managed to summon Ynnead back while Artemis escaped with a boo boo

How I see Orks:
I2: They wield an ax and are far from subtle. You can see an ork winding up for a swing a mile away.
WS4: They aren't skilled, but they're so strong blocking their swing is virtually impossible. You dodge or you die.
Str5: They hit guardsmen and the guardsmen go flying.
T5: Redundant biology makes them tough as balls.
Ld6: They don't listen to anyone

Fearless in close combat: Orks do not run from melee!
Fearless when 20 wound's worth of models are within 12" (the unit's own guys included): The only way to stop the tide is to kill it until their's hardly any left.

>>49318375
All the Eldar are dead in this universe. I'm satisfied, no matter how terrible everything else is.

>>49318376
Ork boyz don't qualify for S/T 5

>>49318376
That doesnt really help shooting orks

How about +1 ld for every wound they cause in the shooting phase

>>49318455
Boyz should be s/t 4, nobz 5, warbosses 6, and warlords (LoW) 7

>>49318462
Oh, that's shootah's stats. Keep all the same, but +1 attack on ALL Ork infantry weapons. +2 During a Waaaagh!

>>49318345
Do you already have a group? What armies do they play? Do you know if they're more beer & pretzels (casual) or tournament dogs?

>>49318134
This is what happens when you play an NPC race.

You get REALLY FIRED UP

>>49318134
Filthy dumb frogposting scum

>>49318361
You can probably get a pickup there. Whenever I go it's with a gaming group of friends, so not much experience there.

>>49318345
You need some pathfinders, guys with short guns and might be metal. These give you markerlights. Aside from them you don't need anything extra to play the army, you've got a decent tau army.

>>49318345
sounds like you have enough for a decent army but not a full cheese army which im my opinion is good. arguably i didn't see you say that you had many pathfinders which you will need to use for markerlights.

>>49318376

Honestly, I think Orks should have FNP as their main save because they're tough as shit. Have them lose it to Flamer and Soul Blaze weapons because fire. Boyz have a chance to shrug off all but the most devastating weapons because deys fightin, and bigger Orks need bigger guns. A war boss is the biggest and toughest ork around and needs many big hits to drop.

Maybe have an item to give +1FNP, but have it affect all units in like 6 inches, friend and foe because it makes everyone want to keep fighting.

>>49318616
>Orks so shit they buff THE OTHER ARMY

You cant make this shit up

>>49318616
>Have them lose it to Flamer and Soul Blaze weapons because fire.
It's fucking hilarious how ork players always hamstring themselves even when making fantastical rules up. Space Odin has so far been the only one not to go full retard.

>>49318685
I know right. Ork players are so used to being shit, that they can't even fathom being good. Just can't teach an old Ork new tricks.

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Has anyone here made their own custom tables?
Not like a 6x4 with some terrain like an actual themed table with fixed terrain and such?
One of the regulars at my flgs is doing one and it looks awesome

>>49318685
>>49318730

Except. I'm not an ork player. I wasn't sure if giving every model FNP would be too much.

>>49318734
no, but my lgs has a few.

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>>49318510
There's a group at the place I play WFB at, they're the same sort. Alternate between hardcore gaming and b&p play.

>>49318569
>>49318585
Googled what Pathfinders look like, I know there's some in the Fire Warriors but I don't know how many.

>>49318616
This guy ->>>49318376 again.

Ok, in addition to the original proposed stats and the +1 attack to the shooty weapons, I'll give you a 6+ invuln save that can be increased by Docs.

Also, and this is very important, Orks are now 5 points instead of 6. Guardsmen cheaper than orks? I know life is the emprah's currency but orks literally pop up like weeds!

>>49318616
honestly I don't play orks but I think that you all could get Str 4 because you are nothing but a big pile of fungus, muscles, and wagh.

but as for major buffs I thing orks should have energy shields. In the lore orks have tons of energy shield cause worry'in bout radiation and shit is for grots and humies.

equally your energy shields should increase in size based on ork size and at a certain point should start giving off radiation effects like the skitarri vanguard radium rifles but for melee.

>>49318790
>>49318376
>5PPM for a S/T5, fearless, 2A, I2, WS4 model with a 6++ and FnP.
Good God man, you've gone in the complete opposite direction now. They're fucking orks, they shouldn't be more terrifying then space marines.

>>49318781
effectively your markerlights in groups of 5 will shoot laser lights at the enemy if they succeed other units can do shit like removing cover or upping your BS4 skill.

Alright, I've got a boner for Admech and some extra money. I've decided that a knight seems like a fun project, and the Knight Magaera from Forgeworld has really caught my eye. So two questions;

1- is it decent? I know all Knights are good and I'm buying mostly for the model, but I don't want something that never leaves the shelf. Anyone have a pdf of the rules or how they stack up?

2- would you play with/against it? There's a couple of waacfags at my LGS that insist you can't bring 30k stuff or even Forgeworld models, but most everyone else is okay with it. Is that commonplace or just assholes being assholes?

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>>49318900
yes, yes just be reasonable about who you're fighting

do we have leaks of the new blood angel shit?

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Man, I'm gonna beg for a pdf or mobi of this Damn book until the mega gets updated or I find a torrent on a site that doesn't ask you to "make an account"

>>49318781
Hm, that complicates things a bit. A hardcore group would ask you to buy more Riptides, some Stormsurges, etc, while a easygoing group would let you field vehicles.

Well, let's see:
XV81 - could be your Commander
Crisis - 2x2 or 1x2, 2x1 with same weapons on each model and unit. I'd advise missile pods, melta or plasma (cyclic ion blaster is a bitch to get a hold of its bits)
Riptide - your centerpiece. if there are a lot of marines, put the ion accelerator. if not, put the chaingun
Stealth Suits and (future) Ghostkeel - perfect for the Optimised Stealth Cadre, a dedicated vehicle hunter (and anything dependent on cover). If you manage to grab 3 Ghostkeels, you're sold!
Firewarriors - they can grab objectives and ride on the devilfish, as also providing firepower
Devilfish with long cannon upgrade - aka Hammerhead, a full-fledged unit. If you have the shorter weapon, it's better

With this stuff you have, you can make a Hunter Cadre, a formation in the new codex. The Optimised Stealth Cadre would be its Auxiliary, netting you the use of the Hunter Contingent bonuses!

>>49318900
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Questoris_Knight_Magaera.pdf
>better vs MCs than vs MEQs
>has IWND and funky -1 strength/-2 strength vs template and blast shield
>best served rushing/breaking battlines ranks

Also it's probably one of the least "complaint worthy" FW knights so I'd personally be okay with fighting one.

>>49318585
Judging by the images, I'd say he's aiming not for a cheese army, but a cheesecake army.

Here, anon.
http://wargameexclusive.com/product-category/greater-good/

>Ossifiers can now be taken 4 to a Wrack Squad
>24", Fleshbane, AP2, Assault 1
>Now does d6 S:Model killed Toughness AP2 to unit if they kill a model
>Deals D3 AP2 Instant Death wounds to monstrous/Gargantuan creatures if they wound
Dark Eldar fixed y/n?

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>>49319052
When they addin their warp spider?

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I'm considering buying pic related and splitting the box with my filthy loyalist friend (I play CSM, he's SM).

Are the knights in the box a good deal, or are we better off getting them somewhere else?

>>49319052
Damn, they really updated the range since I last looked at it. Those pulse rifles look nifty, and I would paint the shit out of "Far Taker" as a Cadre Fireblade.

>>49319106
Better make your mind up soon, my local redshirt said that the printing run for that box is done and it'll be hard to find one.

>>49318616
No dude, here's my thought.
>All Orks are T4/S4/FnP 6+
>Cybork adds 1 to FnP and a 5+ Invuln for 10 points
>Doks add 1 to entire units FnP, makes all Cyborks reroll 1's on FnP and Invulns
>Doks Stack
There.

Any rumors of an ork release on the horizon?

>>49319131
never

>>49319123
>Doks Stack
>3 in a unit makes them 2+ FnP
Y'know, I like it. Make them impossible to refuse challenges. The only way to stop them is to outright kill the stubborn 400 pounds of fungus and muscle.

>>49319115
>Better make your mind up soon, my local redshirt said that the printing run for that box is done and it'll be hard to find one.

My local shop has like 6 of them still.

>>49319131
Forge World has an Imperial Armour coming out soon. It's Orky in that it's kinda cobbled together 30k AdMech and 30k SM vs 41k Tau, but other than that it has no relation to orks.

I understand that they'll be in DoW3, though.

>>49319148
Holy fuck. That's great. I can't find one anywhere down here. They sold like fucking ice cream on a hot summer day.

>>49319131
I'm sorry anon, but there isn't. We'll get our time in the sun again someday, Once GW gets really fired up. ;-;

>>49319027
Ah, and use magnets. Specially with the suits.

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New Sabbat Crusade/Gaunt's Ghosts novel when?

>>49319106
I did this split and got my knight for $75. The only thing is that the box only has 1 avenger gatling cannon, and 1 of each of the carapace weapons. Make sure you and you're partner buyer are fine with the split up of the weapons beforehand.

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>>49318734
I plan on building my own table terrain as soon as my army reaches 2000 points. It's gunna be a Bocage-inspired board. Lots of open ground, but said ground slopes slightly as you get towards the middle and LOS is further broken by a shrubline running across the board, and a raised road with ditches on either side running perpindicular to that. Then add wrecks, craters, and barns/small ruins.

Custom Terrain Rules:
Vehicles and MC/GC must role a dangerous terrain check to push through the shrubs, but doing so will clear the shurbs in that area.

Shrubs confer a 4+ cover save for units inside the foilage. Units more than 12" from the foilage cannot see units on the other side (but not in) the foilage, unless one of the units is larger than the trees and shrubs Craters provide 6+ cover, ruins 4+, the ditches around the road 5+. Flamethrowers clear bushes when firing, and can target the brush itself if they so choose (unit automatically gains splitfire for this action)

The hope is to provide cover for infantry but also room for tanks to menuver, while also giving melee (especially jump) infantry a chance to earn their keep by rushing up to claim the treeline in the early turns. Since neither side can see the other until they get close or they clear out the trees, infantry can advance in the open slightly easier than usual.

In short-side games, the road's shape gives one side a defensive advantage on one corner and the other a defensive advantage on the oppisite corner. This creates a strange attack/defense dynamic as the shrubs divide the two sides of the board.

Corner-deployments get a little of both depending on which way you deploy.

Finally found a group to play with, and we're planning on doing a campaign. Because of that, we want to limit the use of special characters. Anyone have any experience using a Canoness? Not sure how to equip her. Ardent Blade is nice, but since its a relic, that means no EW, which is kind of really nice on a T3.

>>49319241
Aha, that kinda reminds me of my cheeky idea as to create a Tanith Forest table. Just have a table with 6 VERY LARGE trees surrounding a rusted out guard outpost, along with lots of shrubbery, some rocks in the corners, and such.

The trees would be on very large and tall root "legs". They start in a kind of Hexagon shape, and then at the start of each turn, you roll for scatter for the trees. THEY MOVE. THEY'RE NALWOOD TREES, THEY FUCKING MOVE TO FUCK WITH PEOPLE.

Aside from that the trees themselves offer a 4+ cover save, because they're also literally as tough as steel. So chase after the trees and keep your cover, while praying the dice gods let you keep them?

>>49319225
>that image
>Back Templars.jpg

>>49319316
Moving Trees? Love it! I need to remember that one for my LGS because I bet the owner would love to try that (he enjoys painting terrain)

I picked up orks about a year ago when i started the hobby and ive lost every game ive ever played

Should i jump ship to black templars or stick it out another 3-4 years until orks get updated?

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I'm thinking of getting into 40K, are the SoB good? Or are they total garbage?

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>>49319393
jump to templars and give me your Orks, I run an Ork orphange

>>49319405
Theyre mid tier, so pretty good.

Understand though that they will never get an update or new release, and are likely to be discontinued within the next year or two

>>49319254
Take eternal warrior relic and use an evisorator.

Have the priests carry the other relics.

Make sure you support with assasins, knights, and/or Inquisitors.

Go nuts with melta and do not spend too many points on the organ tanks.....(two at most.)

>>49319405
They'll probably get squatted by the next edition, I wouldn't bother. Which is a shame because their models and fluff are great.

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>tfw I love the look of Death World Forest for Ork skin, but can't start painting them like that because I used Warboss Green for everything and I don't feel like repainting an entire army.

>>49319473
paint them as another klan

>>49319451
>yfw they announce a new codex for them tommorow

>>49319451
>>49319437
Shit, well that's a shame. I assume the Guard is a more stable choice then?

Anyone have examples of different ways to do ork flesh?

>>49319447

I guess EW is too good to pass up. Shame she can't also use the sword to make use of her comparatively high initiative (Seras used to be I4 damn it). Shame my jump canoness hasn't been usable since the 5th Ed pamphlet dropped. The worst part is that I know exactly why they did it. There's no official model for it. All you need to do is slap a Seraphim backpack onto the canoness model, but nope. We can't have that.

Anyway, ranting aside, where a should I put her? Take some Celestians for that wicked sick furious charge? Command squad since they can all take axes/maces and FNP?

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>>49319564
no

>>49319502
Guard is a stable mid-tier, but is also very multi-build. Pick a theme and you can probably build a decent IG army around it.

Like Tanks? Emp's Fist!
Like Veterans? Emp's Sword!
Like Artillery? Emp's Hammer & Krieg!
Like Shooty Guard? Grab an Aegis and max out those HWTs!
Like Gunlines? See above and consider Krieg!
Like Psykers? We got them and we got a formation for them too!
Like Valkyries? Elysians.

And more!

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>>49319603
>WE WILL NEVER HAVE SAVES!

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>>49319748
FUCK

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>>49319764
>>49319748
youuuuuuuuu FUCKS

>>49318734

>Mymeara and friends

Mah nigga

Reminder that a boy with a shoota and eavy armour is 11 points while a space marine is 14

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>>49319864
It hurts my soul anon.

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How do I play Tyranids?
I am crying on the inside.
I just wanna win. I want my cool swarm to do the thing it was meant to do. PLEASE gee dubs.

>>49319864
God I wish 'Ardboyz with shootas wasn't such a pants-on-head-retarded waste of points.

When the Liber Chaotica books first came out the limited editions came with a piece of glass with artwork etched on it.

Does anyone happen to have hi-res copies of those images? Mine fell and shattered and I'm hoping I can reprint them and frame them.

>>49319451
>models are great

take off the rose glasses anon, sisters didn't age well. hell hardly any models do, my oop Keeper looks grotesque and odd but it's fitting

rules wise they're okay, if bland

>>49319936
play against someone looking for a fun match rather then a competitive match. i use chariots in my daemon army for example

>>49319807
that model looks like that one short guy with the big nose with the shanking knife.

>>49320134
His name is Köksal Baba.

Is there any reason to take Special Weapons Teams in Guard, ever?

It's not relevant to me since I'm building Mech Guard (because I like vehicles and I also like not buying 50 models to fill out minimum troop requirements with platoons) but I'd like to hear from anybody who doesn't do vets in chimeras

So... Genestealer cult fucking when...

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>>49319807
>>49320134
>>49320189
yeah that's the one. thanks anon.

>>49320207
soon. GW are busing making the limo kit.

>>49320202
>Take 3 squads of Sniper teams
>Now have 3 more Obj Sec squads for pennies

>>49320202
I am summoning the camo guard player wol0ol0ol0o.

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>>49318289
A paint job and some minor kitbashing will usually do it.

>>49317877
this guy right here

>>49320202
Six men fit in a vendetta.
Special weapons specifically can take demo packs.

8" S8 AP2 One-use only Large blast

Drop them next to terminators/light vehicles/whatever else needs fucking.

90pts for the best suicide squad in the game.
Any questions?

>>49317846
Strikeforce Games is pretty decent, if out of the way. Mr. Strikeforce is pretty bro tier.

>>49320324
Make sure you use Tallarns for maximum ALLAHU AKBAR

>>49319864

Listen, it's only 3 points. And it only buys you +2 bs, +1 st, +1 ld, +2 init, +6'' range on the gun, frag/krak grenades, +1 save, chapter tactics, and and they shall know no fear. Not a big deal.

>>49320354
WOAH, WOAH.

You lose one whole attack!

>>49320324
A platoon lets you have three special weapons per platoon.

If I zoomed onto the field with six valkyries (for points saving) full of suicide nukes would I get punched in the dick

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>play PUG with SM player
>1500 points
>take list I forgot about
>uses Canoness and Command Squad
>turn 2 he pods Grav cents w/Div Libby next to HQ Immo
>grants ignores cover to beat smoke
>my turn
>double check what my unit had
>mfw I remember
>unload 5 condemnor shots
>Lib eats shit from 4 perils
>AoF and assault the cents

My canoness ate through the cents in about 2 full turns (4 combats) with her Evicerator, and the cents couldn't get past my 3+/FNP.

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>>49319027
Thanks bro! Copying this, will start learning rules and looking at Ghostkeel prices on eBay.

>>49320483
We talking on the table or off the table?

>>49317846
If you are on the North Side, Gigabytes is the biggest/best place. They have a large 40k crowd, and a decent crowd for all the different major games. The Atlanta 40k Series is played there too.

Any thoughts on the new BA stuff?

I really want to try something with it, but I doubt it would be worth it to mangle my BSF, which already has units I like.

>>49320768
rules out yet?

Complete newfag to 40K and tabletop in general. The sci fi setting and the painting marines sounded super comfy. From your honest opinions, is 40K worth it?

>>49320795
Not really. It's expensive and the game isn't very good right now.

>>49320778
We've got some leaks, check the last thread.

>>49320795
There really ought to be a copypasta for this.

Basically: do you like the lore? Do you like the aesthetics? Do you like modeling/painting? Is there a community for it in your area? Are you okay with a slow-updating, badly-balanced game?

If you can say yes to at least three of those then 40k may be worth your time.

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>>49320795
I only like the lore. I don't even play the game anymore.

>>49320795
Not him but jacking this question to ask: Is it worth it to get into the game if your favorite race is shit?
It's nids. Are they EVER gonna be good? I know Orks have basically been bad forever and some armies just get ignored entirely too.

>>49320795
There's a massive upfront cost:
>Models (~$85 for a starter box)
>Sprue cutters & files
>Glue
>Brushes
>Paint/Primer
>Probably want a carrying case of some type

>>49320847
I played a three way battle with my IW CSM vs Tau vs Nids. It was pretty casual but the Nid player won. They may not be the best army but with a little luck they can definitely be good.

>>49320827
Wow Blood Angels got shafted hard. I play both them and CSM, and i'm probably going to sell my blood angels. Their still shit

>>49320511

Use a friendly Hereticus Inquisitor with a Psyocculum + Condemnor to guarantee those Condemnor hits!

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>>49320827
Well, the lore and the painting is what really has me interested. The only people (I live in the middle of nowhere) who would be interested in playing the game itself is my father and my sibling. Is it wise to invest with these circumstances?

>>49320907
If you and your family would have fun I'd say yes.

Get two starter sets and start working on them together, see if you like it. If not, sell off all your shit on ebay.

>>49320895
We havent even seen all the bangel stuff yet

Is it okay to run Wraithguard in a Wave Serpent at 1000 points? Wraithblades? A Wraithlord?

I'm only taking one of the above

Is the dred mob list better than the base codex? 6 point shoota boyz and being able to buy meks for every boy squad seems good. That and painboyz in nob squads

>>49320976
Guard and Lord are pretty iffy, blades are okay.

>>49320976
No, no, no.

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>>49320895
Later, traitor. Don't let the drop pod door hit you on your way out.

>>49320976
wraithlords are not cheese at all, and also cool. Take as many as you like

>>49320970
that's what, 2 maybe 3 formations left? We've seen the great majority of them

>>49321007
You have the best terminators in the game now, why are you bitching?

>>49321051
the best of shit is still shit. One good formation does not make a fun army

>>49320896

You know, I really don't think that's necessary. Like at all. Especially since if I wanted to go for maximum condemnation, I could give each Celestian in the squad not one, but TWO condemors, and then add 4 priests dual wielding condemors as well. For those counting at home, that's 17, 9 of which can fire at once. If I drop the hospitaliar and Evicerator, I can of course go for broke with 20 condemors for 2 rounds of 10.

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Guess who's back! For a limited time only, unfortunately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeRg2sD5mbs

>>49321080
Move over csm fags, the age of whiny entitled bangelfags is upon us

You were already above csm and got a better supplement by far

>>49321100
Give me a link.

>>49321105
Shielf of baal was shit too. I play both, so I'm happy with what Chaos got. I guess one solid update is better than none

>>49321122
http://eagleordinary.smackjeeves.com/comics/2333973/ch2-break-guest-artist-rob-leigh/
Only two weeks, three weeks ago.

>>49321082

I'd refrain from giving Priests any ballistic weaponry because BS3. They do well with Power Axes or Mauls if you're going for Emperor's Strength.

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So I know there's lots of anti-Tau shit posting here but I really do have to ask after losing yet another match to a Tau player what are the downsides to Tau? It sure as hell isn't melee with their ability to have half their army overwatch and assault rules being pretty shit in general. I'd like to think it's that they have a 3 BS, but even that doesn't matter for jack when they can use marker lights to somehow become the greatest marksmen in the galaxy well simultaneously getting the option to ignore cover. Do they have any real downside?! I hate them, I hate them so damn much! This sons of bitches get everything they could want and my spikey marines get railed everytime GW remembers they exist! WHY?!

>>49321175

The joke went over your head there. I was talking about taking 20 condemnor boltguns in one squad.

>>49321186
Markerlights are our foundation. Take them out and the performance drops SIGNIFICANTLY. And melee is actually the downside. Unfortunately, 7th HEAVILY favors shooting, so melee isn't as good as it could be across the board. Theoretically if you ever get into CC with Tau you should wipe them the fuck out, providing you survive overwatch, which again is another problem plaguing the assault phase. But in my experience, taking out my markerlights is almost a death sentence because I'm terrible at rolling.

>>49321186
because hey are an all shooting army and gw cant figure out how to make that have a downside

>>49321186
>Overwatch
>Spikey Marines

Dirge caster.

>>49320577
Off the table, grav chute deployment deep striking.

The rest of the platoons hold on the board and wait for the explosions to stop

Best way to do kriegers?

I was thinking 2-3 full platoons with a few artillery batteries for support

>>49321337
On what, easily pop'd rhinos?

>>49321409
land raiders, contemptors and hell talons

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>>49321186
against tau (or any army with lots of shooting) i find that i need to be faster and heavier on psychic powers so i can box them into a corner

i really wouldn't suggest trying to out gun them, maybe guard (barrage) or eldar (get in close then blast them) could do it

>>49321422
Man he wants a fair game against tau, why are you recommending land raider cheese?

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Whats the best close combat army?

>>49321422
Land Raiders is fair enough, if super expensive and not all that spammable.

Contemptors move 6'' a turn, fuck using them for dirge casters.

>>49321485
At the moment, Daemons or Space Wolves. Daemon's because they don't really have shooting to begin with, and Space Wolves because they seem to be the only army capable of fielding tough AND fast cc units.

>>49321485
Orks

>Archangels Orbital Intervention Force
>Hey guys, what if we have CSM and loyalists the same formation... but made the Loyalist one better.

>>49321422
Contemptors and Hell Talons can't take dirge casters you retard. Also enjoy the optimized stealth cadre exploding your land raider from across the map and stranding your troops in no mans land where they'll faff around in difficult terrain and then die next turn.

Has GW gotten their (you)s yet on shitbook yet? I'm tired of waiting for disappointment.

>>49321001
is this guy memeing me you guys or are wraithlords like riptides
(i know wraithknights are cheese? but lords)

Are Black Templars even good now?

>>49321680

Codex Space Marines is a top tier army at the moment, so yes.

>>49321409
Land Raiders. Assault vehicle.
Although suicide rhinos up front couldn't hurt, if you had used them to carry noise marines or something.

>>49321597
>Rear Armor on a Rhino.
>Oh wait you're an idiot.

>>49321695
>Rear armour on a rhino

... Land raider.

>>49321673
In my opinion nothing that only moves 6 inch a turn can be considered cheese in this game.

>>49321673
Wraithlords are just eldar dreadnoughts.

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>>49321690
A friend told me this is a great formation i could play with Black Templars and it does look good ,but i heard only Ultrasmurfs are allowed too take it, is it true?

>>49321727
It's for any chapter from the main space marine book. Only BA, DA and SW can't take it.

>>49321734
Oh ok thanks mate

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>>49321708
>Free BS4 and Ignores cover isn't a problem for my land raider cuz it has AV14 rear armor
OK buddy.

>>49321727
BT are in Codex muhreens now, so you're free to fluff it however you want.

>>49321743
They do have to put the OSC in assault range to pop a LR.

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Goddamn I want to get this fucker in my list some day
>Reading his rules
>Oh he gets 7 attacks on the charge that pretty nea-
>Special rule: Rampage

This guy is so mad he hits more than a Bloodthirster, I'm almost tempted to build a list just around having him get into combat once, just so I get the chance to roll 10 attacks for one dude.

RIP AND TEAR

>>49321793
take at least 4 dreads so maybe 2 get into combat

>>49321485

Space wolves, as far as I can tell, are the only army capable of building a force revolving around assault and still capable of beating top-tier ass.

>>49321793
>10 attacks

Iirc, a CSM DP with biomancy and a demon weapon can get 15 on the charge.

>>49321743
3 18" melta weapons.

So either deep strike 3 individual units in and hope for lucky scatter.
Or footslog to within 9" of a land raider.

Fair trade though, CSM has shit all access to ignores cover.

>>49321535
>>49321829
Mfw you dont really like Space viking sinve there models look like shit
Damm well thats a shame

>>49318060
And Veterancy.
5+FNP base for bosses.

>>49321911
>>49321485
Do you like having friends? If your answer is "No," you can always field as many Canoptek Harvests as you want. Wraiths are pretty beastly melee units. Wraiths with Reanimation Protocols even more so.

Alternatively, you can run regular crons with lychguard, overlord with warscythe, wraiths, and just take what you need to fill your gaps, like Anti-Tank.

>>49321911
Their most effective assault lists are really boring too, it's just all wulfen and wolf riders.

>>49321942
Throw in some biker librarian and wolves for variety and extra utility, but the overall strategy is still "My cc blobs are fast, big, and killy, and I'm coming over to fuck your mouth on turn 2"

Who will stand against Abaddon when he reaches Terra? Since he was swatting Khan around like a ragdoll one assumes no Space Marine will be able to... It'll have to be a Primarch i assume but even then is it envitable we're assuming 40k as we know it is coming to an end?

The Black Crusade = End times

>>49321981
To be fair, that's the strategy of any melee centered army.

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>>49321989
Ghazghkull will just headbutt him

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>>49321989
Whose the one who cut his arms off? Ultimately though, even a primarch can fall under enough firepower. If Abaddon is faced without enough opposition (and not just dueling 1v1), he can be taken down.

How are you going folks ?

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>>49317762
Pardon off topic post, please. Asking well trafficked /tg/ thread for music recommendations without wasting a thread while I polish off this Tequila. Already listened to Moss: Subtemplum, and The Sword: Warp Riders, from prior /tg/ recommendations. Looking for more electronica oriented, admittedly, but can thumbs up aforementioned albums to anyone else.

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>>49322023
Fast.

>>49322023

Dejected

>>49321994
It's pretty boring, I used to play alpha strike and fast cc lists a lot and it's getting boring. The main problem I have is that it frontloads 90% of the decision making and random factors into the first two turns, and after that the game is pretty much decided.

>>49322023
Ive realized I will never have a meaningful relationship in my life so im drowning myself in plastic

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I've played 40k video games
I've read 40k books
I've read the 40k wiki

do people actually paint those really expensive figurines so they can assemble in nerdcaves to play with them?

>>49317853

I waited 6 years for the last Ork update, and what we got made us worse. Then we got our supplement updated, and it was terrible. Then we got a new flyer, and it was awful.

I'm quite confident at this point that I don't want to see another Ork update ever.

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>>49322104
No.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or is using photoshop.

>>49322123
God the new daemon prince looks like dogshit

>>49322104
Well it's the same stuff as LAN, we share our hobby and bantz each other,

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>>49322137
It really does.
=

>>49322104
>really expensive
value is really relative

I spent about 700 dollars on a TV six months ago. Since then, it has been turned on for about 20 hours.

Was that really an efficient use of the money at what has been about 35 dollars an hour? eh probably not.

Comparatively, I got much more entertainment out of the 40 dollar space marine kit I bought around the same time.

which was the better entertainment value for me?

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So what do I have to fear?

>Inquisitor Coteaz
>x12 Jokaero
>x8 Jokaero
>Stormlord , x2 pairs of sponsons, heavy stubber, HK Missile

1495/1500

The plan is pretty straight-forward. Everything piles into the Stormlord. The Stormlord doesn't move. Each turn it spits out 20 lascannon shots in addition to its usual bullshit. Everything that deep-strikes near it eats 12 Multi-Melta shots. Anything that tries assaulting it eats 12 Wall of Death heavy flamer attacks (and it gets a second overwatch of 8 WoD HF attacks).

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>>49322186

>>49318869
They should.
They are man-eating space marines that spawn in damp caves unless planets are cleanes by nuclear fire.

>>49322193
I would make an army of inquisitors with conversion beamers, except one with a psychocculum, and tarball them up on the other side of the table shooting BS10 S10 AP1 attacks from

and sit them in an aegis defense line for that sweet cheap cover save

>>49322209
laugh if you want, but for people who don't have friends or watch a lot of movies/cable tv, expensive electronics tend not to be a good value

>>49322256
>don't have friends
how do you even play with your figurines?

>>49322276
I just paint and collect them, and enjoy the lore

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>>49322252
Truly a man of unparalleled taste.

>Hereticus + psychocculum (50)
>Aegis (50)
>x20 Xenos + Conversion Beamers (1400)
1500/1500

I'm not sure Coteaz' psyker rule is transferred onto the Stormlord though.

>>49322226
A single ork shouldn't be scarier than a single marine. I'd reduce orks' point cost instead of increasing their stats.

>>49322310
fuck, with 20 s10ap1 blasts you dont need the psyocculum, especially with that hilariously large of a target

>>49322193
>So what do I have to fear?
Single D-hit.

>>49322345
a Nob costs the same amount of points as a Chosen, and takes on average a very similar amount of bolter shots to kill.

In the charge and assault, both have around the same lethality without upgrades

but chosen have a bolter AND a ccw AND bs4[/spoier]

Anyone know the stats on a Reaver Titan's Volcanno Cannon? I'm trying mega upload but it's being lethargic to say the least.

>>49322193
WG with WWP Archon

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Post dumping a Deathwatch Sergeant that I'm working on. He'll be fully magnetized, including swappable heads. Squad will be magnetized too.

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>>49322453
Cont.

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>>49322466
Cont.

>>49319010
Get a job you bum.

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>>49322419
They do, however, have to eat 12 Multi-Melta shots first.

>>49321186
As a grey knight player who takes a libby conclave, I just psychic power them to death. Took out 2 riptides with terrify/psychic shriek combo. Ended up raping that 4 riptide list at 1850. Now... tau double stormsurge and firestream lists are a different story.

>>49320511
You cannot charge the turn after you are forced to disembark. Also, why would your opponent deep strike within charge range when he has 24" range? Nice try, but SoB are shit and I will not fall for your memes about OP armies actually being fair and beatable.

>>49322375
so

>same cc effectiveness
>same durability
>one benefits from character but less shooty
>same points

...what is it you're crying about, exactly

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>>49322476
Cont.
Heretical, but I'm really digging the xenophase blade.

>>49322453
>>49322466
>>49322476
some photo tips:

Put the model down and it will be easier to get a good and non-blurry photo

use a backdrop, doesn't have to be much. I use a folded sheet of printer paper.

let your camera focus. On your phones you can usually have it focus on a particular thing.

>>49317762
How can you cucks tolerate all those SJW in your board?! This board needs exterminatus

>>49322482
Aura-effects wont work inside transports anymore, sorry.

>>49322491
also less Ld

character isn't an enormous benefit, and the shooty cost is pretty big

the kicker? Chosen are already considered a wasteful and inefficient unit, so to be worse then chosen for the same points is really bad

>>49322502
Really? I thought they were just measured from the hull. When did this change come about?

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>>49322492
Cont. Bonus: the non-magnetized Black Shield for the squad. Really digging the use of the metal Gray Knight halberd.

>>49322509
New FAQs. Kinda gimped some more peculiar uses of Culexus Assasin.

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>>49322493
Thanks - I'll def keep this in mind as I continue to share my progress - just got really excited and had to share asap as I finished up the magnetizing. Just got back into the hobby aspect with the Deathwatch release, because there are some great models.

>>49322493
Thanks! Will keep this in mind as I continue to share my progress.

>>49322482
That's why I drop them 16"+ out of range, then use the "Run&Shoot" move Eldar have

>>49322523
Aw, boo. Oh well. With the points gained by switching Coteaz out for a regular inq, and maybe dropping one pair of sponsons, I could pick up an enginseer or something.

>>49322549
Wraithguard don't have Battle Focus. Additionally, even if they did, the Archon doesn't have it, which means they couldn't use it anyways.

>>49322537
This is a really wonderful pose right here.

If GW simply gave Marines more leg pieces that were actual fluid motions rather than power squats every Marine model would be solid gold.

>>49322570
>Wraithguard don't have Battle Focus. Additionally, even if they did, the Archon doesn't have it, which means they couldn't use it anyways.
But they could have been taken in a formation that gives them it and then they could have DS'ed in Tantalus so they could disembark and the archon could leave the squad.

Ha!

I know the new draft FAQs would prevent that, too,

>>49322494
A decade of /pol/lution has hardened folks.

>>49322681
So what are we looking here? Demonic doo-hickeys? So are those Silver Towers of Tzeentch?

>>49322681
Pls be Necron pls be Necron

>>49322681
This shit looks end time as fuck, after the Wulfen shit every time I see anything wolf related I have a minor freak out.

And I'm a space wolves player

>>49322712
No. Its Tzeentch Daemons/Thousand Sons.

>>49322712
>necrons
>organic mushy penises covered in eyes and distorted faces

It's chaos.

Since there's a (very fat) wolf in the background there's probably space furries involved.

I don't know what the dragon serpent thing is but judging from the chaos indications I'm going to take a leap and assume it's something to do with Tzeench, ie Thousand Sons.

>>49322744
>Since there's a (very fat) wolf in the background there's probably space furries involved.
No, really? What gave it away? The fact thats a photo from Curse of Wulfen part2 or maybe those Space Wolf Battlebarges that are in the pic?

Bu really. I'm a bit hyped. Actually new shit for chaos is very cool.

Rules Database not working?

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So, I posted a 2000pts IW+DarkMech list a few months back, a few anons weighed in with options, I sat on my thumbs and/or studied, and then came back and gave it another hard look. Of course a new book drops RIGHT NOW with new formations to fuck up my plans, but judging by what I've seen I'd either need to seriously shake up my forces or pay a Raptor Tax for the Chaos Warband. The Warpsmith options might be fun though for alt lists and smaller games.

(HQ)
Warpsmith - 125
Aura of Dark Glory

(Troops)
10x Chaos Marines - 217
2x Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher

10x Chaos Marines - 250
Heavy Bolter
ADL with Quad-Gun


(Elites)
Chosen - 222
5x Plasma Gun
Rhino w/ Combi-Plasma, Havoc Launcher

Ferrum Infernus Chaos Dreadnought 165
Destroyer of Cities

(Heavy Support)
2x Rapier Battery - 150
Conversion Beamers


Forgefiend - 175
2x Hades Autocannons

Chaos Predator - 115
Lascannon sponsons

ALLIED DETACHMENT - Skitarii Maniple

(Troops)
5x Rangers 125
2x Arbequs, Omnispex

5x Rangers 125
2x Arbequs, Omnispex

(Elites)
5x Infiltrators 195
Flechettes & Goads
Princeps w/ Conversion Field

(Fast Attack)
3x Dragoons 135
Radium Jezzails

1999

Vague plan is for the Warpsmith to run along behind the Forgefiend and Dread, repairing their damage and basically throw all three at enemy troops parked on an objective or fortification. Obviously there will be some tactical thinking as to whether they'll get shot to shit, exploded with grenades or simply unable to reasonably smash whatever they're aimed at. Mechanized CSM move up and take an objective, Chosen keep moving and vomiting plasma at stuff. If the enemy has a bunch of sneaky Deep Strike tricks the Chosen may sit behind my lines, ready to play Plasma Bukkake Party with whatever shows up. The rest of it is either shooty stuff that shoots, or stabby stuff that stabs. The wording for the Aegis Line means the Rapiers will have their own cover, and the Heavy Bolter squad will hunker down behind what's left with the Quad Gun.

>>49322707
Curse of the Wulfen Part 2: Magny Magic boogaloo

>>49322794
Works fine.

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>>49322707
Dark Angels and other forced fighting on Fenris put aside their differences to defeat a Greater Threat (tm) when Magnus and the Thousand Sons attack with three brand- new Witchfire powers to supplement your Discipline of Change, along with new formations to represent whatever- fucking- Wolf- Lord's- butt- buddies don't already have rules and a token formation for Dark Angels.

>mfw

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>>49322795
>chaos space marines with pants

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>>49322795
WTF are those suppose to be?
They look hideous

>>49322923
>>49323027
The PaK 40's came with some really nice Fallschirmjäger crew in kneeling and loading poses, so I threw a few together with some CSM bits to see how they look. The sleeved arms kinda work but the legs are completely the wrong proportions.

>>49322920
>Magnus is finally attacking the furry fucks
>after 10,000 years, the time of vengeance will finally have come

>either Magnus wins (a pro, since I like Magnus)
>or DA/SW get over their rivalry for good and go back to pre-Heresy levels of bro-tier (a pro, since I like DA)

Hell, color my hyped.

Rhinos in gw kill team any good or should I footslog my marines?

>>49323118
>>or DA/SW get over their rivalry for good and go back to pre-Heresy levels of bro-tier (a pro, since I like DA)
Havent they already gotten over it?

>>49323123
Rhinos are good, protection and mobility for special weapons is really helpful.

>>49323118
>Magnus wins

The odds are so low that even tzeentch wouldn`t bet on it.

>>49323128
Supposedly during the 13th Black Crusade, but the DA side of this campaign showed that there was still some animosity. It's part of why people though this campaign took place before the 13th Black Crusade, but GW announced with Deathwatch that this is part of "Pushing the Narrative Forward," which means it's taking place after their BC shenanigans.

>>49323123
Most people won't have easy answers to it (or will have taken expensive answers), so it's great for durability and movement. And you can always just wipe out whatever model is trying to pop it, since Kill Team is almost like every model has the vindicare precision shot.

>>49317849
It's been shown. It's Warzone Fenris Pt2. HA HA! TIME FOR TZEENTCH!

>>49323118
>finally attacking

This would be his second time doing. It didn't end well for him in the first time.

>>49317888
>Tau are a shooting race
>Tons of guns
>Able to increase the BS and grant Ignores Cover to literally every unit in the codex
For Tau to prosper, you must kys

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>>49317883
They will never squat Orks, they are way too popular in other media.

>>49322920
>three "new" powers
>all Witchfires
Divination fucking when?

>>49323185
They squated the Orcs in fantasy.

>>49317851
>tfw I asked the question about mob rule hits being strength 4
> THEY'RE REALLY FIRED UP is my fault

>>49323170
Well enough. They managed to destroy the way to make Wolf Brothers which was a good thing since they had scried that Wolf Brothers would have overrun whole Eye of Terror. Which is kinda "A what now?"-thing. How many fucking many marines do you need to wipe out whole warpstorm full of renegades, heretics, traitor marines and daemons.?

>>49323136
>>49323154
Thanks fellas.

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Here is the problem with 40k.
How do we fix this?

>>49323187
According to the first Curse of the Wulfen book, the daemonic rifts that spawned all over the galaxy were positioned around in a pattern of the "Crimson King".

Also it stated that Abaddon and his mysterious allies who summoned the Warpstorms aim to destroy the Space Wolves. Why would Abaddon want to destroy the Space Woofs?

Anyways, so we know exactly what the next book will feature.

Black Legion + Necrons vs Imperials + Woofs.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crimson_King_(Necron_Lord)

>>49323219
Lets just use dice with symbols instead of numbers like all the other numale modern game designers are doing

>>49323205
I have no idea what you are talking about but IIRC the new Wolf making thing created Space Wolves without the gene legacy of Russ. They were just normal marines. The Space Wolves didn't want that and might have decided to scrap the project on their own.

>>49323190
No more than any other faction.

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>>49321989
>Who will stand against Abaddon when he reaches Terra?
Dr. Manhattan?!

>>49322011
The Chaos Gods will protect Abaddon from dying by mortal hands until he confronts a godly foe. It was the same thing with Horus.

>>49323247
>Abaddon gets to the Golden Throne
>Turns out the Chaos Gods just spent the past 10k years playing a massive practical joke on him due to his mortal arrogance
>Strip him of power
>Emperor mindrapes him
>Chaos Gods content about keeping the status quo and the 13th Black Crusade sowing so much discord and death that they figure they can keep this shit going for another 20 thousand years before they have to pull another gambit like that

>>49323241
>what C'tan do you want f.am
>just fuck my shit up

>>49323274
>C'tan smacks you with the Time's D

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>>49323274
>he doesn't like fun little conversions

>>49323271
It's all fun and whatever but really if Abaddon doesn't pull through than the galaxy will be taken from the Chaos Gods by one of these guys (Necrons, Tyranids, and Orks). The Emperor might even succeed in ascending humanity to a golden psyker race that has no fear of Chaos.

There can be no status quo. These are the final days of the galaxy.

>>49323295
I was talking about the vanilla model, the conversion is pretty nice

>>49323300
Would be great if Abaddon kills the Emperor but this allows him to finally be unshackled and ascend into a true God. Astronomican remains in power due to his divine will, he gets to beat the shit out of chaos in the warp itself and carve out his own little Heaven in there and we can go into 8th Edition with a bang.

>>49323187
I posted that as a joke, but also a prediction. GW are utter assfaggots when it comes to Tzeentch.

>>49323247
>c.M31 THE HORUS HERESY

>After the Warmaster Horus’ treachery is revealed, an early incarnation of the Officio Assassinorum sends four operatives, one from each of the major temples, to hunt down and destroy the traitor Primarch. All four are found wanting, for Horus is powerful beyond the reach of mortal men, and his destiny lies elsewhere.

>999.M41 THE FOE UNTOUCHABLE

>Within the Eye of Terror, a Black Crusade of unprecedented size musters to break open the Cadian Gate. Rumours abound that its supreme warlord is empowered by the Gods of Chaos, and that whilst he enjoys their favour, cannot be laid low by mortal weaponry. The agents of the Officio Assassinorum are dispatched en masse to slay the Warmaster Abaddon and his most favoured lieutenants before they breach realspace. One by one they reach a succession of grisly ends, and still Abaddon remains at large.

Abaddon cannot be slain by mortal hands. Only someone divine might strike him down.

Considering that the Imperium had none that fits this criteria, it is fucked.

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Speaking about people trying to kill Abaddon.

Here is the Kharn vs Abaddon death fight.
Who was in the right here?

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>tfw there is the =I= at the end of your mug

>>49323219
rip off rick priestley yet again and make it all d 10

Quick question: for characters are you still able to take a two handed weapon plus a one handed weapon without restriction? I haven't been able to read up on 7th ed. all the way though but that was how it was for older editions.

>>49322712
You need to get your eyes tested. Fast.

>>49322795
Why did you use those legs?