Warhammer 40k General

>Doing my military service in artillery
>Notice today that our guns have hazard stripes
>IW is my favorite traitor legion

Feels great man

Any suggestions for making a Mega-Armoured Cybork Warboss?

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>>49304404
>They were AoC as part of the Overkill box
No they weren't you fucking nigger.

>>49308033

That's interesting I didn't think the military used that. Please don't say they put the hazard stripes on the stairs.

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>>49308096
Yes they were you fucking faggot.

>>49308143
>faq
>part of the overkill box
You're a special kind of retarded.

>>49308175

There were no allied Tyranids literally in the box. I meant the Overkill contents allied as AoC.

>>49308078

Less than 4000 away. Get to it boyz.

>>49308033
where are they on the guns?

>>49308200
Read the pic in >>49308096
Genestealer cults ally exactly like Tyranids, they were bb when they sold them and then changed them to aoc. There was no reason to do this, the ally chart already has abhorrent fluff issues if fluff is your excuse.

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Here's a "fun" 1500pts list concept for Raptors.
>infiltrating LRC filled with death cult assassins (hopefully wounding with reroll against -1T and having 5++ reroll in combat) > 5 x 6 rending bolter scouts for screening/object camping
>speeders act like cunts
>lias himself jacks off in 2+ cover with his sternguard to provide fire support.

>>49308338
The really weird thing is tyrannocytes already specify that only tyranids can ride in them, and it would be simple to put a similar restriction on any future genecult transport that it can only transport genecult stuff. The restriction is almost entirely there to stop you casting invisibility on tyranids, which just seems churlish.

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If Rough Riders were 7points each (including Sergeant) but came without Hunting Lances, would you buy them?

>>49308638
Aren't they still T3?
If they got the standard +1T from being cavalry maybe, and maybe reword the hunting Lance to work only in the first round of combat, then they'd maybe be worth their current cost

New player here, I recently started Admech and put together this list for casual play. My main opponents are Tau and Blood Angels, but I'm aiming for an all-comers list at 1850.

Ordo Machinum (1840)

Cult Mechanicus Elimination Maniple:

-Kastelan Maniple -2 bots, conversion field, full phosphor. 325

- 2×3 man kataphron destroyers,w/ grav and phosphor. 165 pts/unit.

Skitarii Dominus Maniple

-Tech-priest Dominus, conversion field, Anzion's Puesdogenetor 125pts.

- Skitarii Vanguard 10 men, 3 plasma caliver, omnispex. 200pts

- Onager Dunecrawler w/ Neutron laser and extra stubber. 120pts.


Skitarii Maniple

- Skitarii Vanguard 10 men, 3 arc rifle, omnispex. 155 pts.

-Skitarii Rangers 5 man, 65 pts.

- Onager Dunecrawler, Neutron laser, extra stubber. 120pts.

Inquisition Detatchment

- Inquisitior Coteaz 100pts.

- 2× Henchmen Warband, 10 acolytes w/bolters, psyker, Jokaero. Dedicated Transport Chimeras, Multilaser/Heavy Flamer. 150pts/unit.

Total 1840pts.

Vanguard squads will hijack the Chimeras and Rangers and henchmen will hold backfield objectives. Coteaz and Dominus will join one unit of KatD's each. 10pts left to switch one Dunecrawler to Icarus Array if needed.

I apologise for the poor formatting, I am new here and don't know the conventions and am on mobile.

situation came up in a game today where Bjorn the fell handed was challenged by a helbrute character In a combat also involving 2 wolf guard and 2 chosen. do any excess wounds made by the outside forces transfer over to either dreads?

and in the main rule book in the character section that I use the weapon skill and toughness of the opponent, does it just swap to an armour pen roll like normal?

>>49308691
Give your chimeras 2x heavy bolter and psybolt shells if you're a Funny Guy.

You might want to put the "fuck fliers" array on at least one dunecrawler.

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>>49307998
Are the Sons of Malice still canon? What is the best way to represent them on the table? Personally I think the Crimson Slaughter supplement fits them like a glove

>>49308739
I'd roll one at a time till the chosen died then have excess hits start trying to hurt the dread if possible

>>49308684
cav doesn't get a standard +1 toughness, that's bikes. only a few cav get +1 toughness

>>49308739
yes, wounds spill over after challenges and they're no longer in their own seperate combat

>>49308078
Whats the name of the page? I can't find it by searching Warhammer 40000

>>49309025
Warhammer 40,000

So I'm a new Eldar player, and I had a game the other day against the local Taufag. He beat me, but I later discovered he was fudging a few rules, such as:
his Crisis suits were T5
his Plasma shit was S7
his Ghostkeel didn't roll for Nova Charges
and some other shit I forget.

Now I know as an Eldar player I have no right to bitch about losing games, but I wouldn't mind taking him down a peg next time, and I was thinking about getting some Warp Spiders. They aren't D-weapon faggotry, they are real short-ranged, their guns ain't fantastic, but the wounding Tau on a 2+ sounds like just the ticket. Are they worth it, or should I go for Wraithguard or Spectres or something instead?

>>49309212
Is tau plasma different than what Imperials', all my plasma guns are S7 AP2.

>>49309263
tau plasma is s6 and no gets hot

>Have nothing to read so decide to read some trashy new 40k
>Don't want to pay Black Library for trash
>Mega folder isn't up to date
>Epistolary is gone
Wat do.

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>>49308638
>>49308684

Yep, right now they've basically got the Imperial Guard statline, but with cavalry type, laspistols&close-combat weapon instead of lasguns, hunting lances (basically one-use power lances) and krak grenades. That's 11 points per model. I don't think I'm pushing the boat out when I say that they're stupidly overcosted. It think they'd be 8 points a pop at best but stripping the lances and putting them at 7 points might make them a mobile alternative for non-mechanised lists.

>>49309212
ghost keels dont have nova reactors at all.

Warpspiders are *very* good. They got toned down (read: faq'd back into normalcy) from over the top when the FAQ ruled against multiple flickerjumps per turn (who didn't see that coming)
They are short range but have ridiculous mobility and range, and wound most things in the game on 2s, with rending.

>>49307998
Codex Deathwatch online when?

>>49309212
just take some filthy shit and rape him

taufags deserve to be hit with every WAACfag thing you have

>>49309315
Every thread someone asks this, and every thread someone posts it. Check the damn archives

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>>49309280
Oh damn, I am pretty glad I don't need to know that.
>>49309212
The first time I faced Tau he was messing up mad rules as well. He didn't roll and movement for his Jump shoot Jump bullshit so it was 12" Shoot then another 12" every time.

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>>49309212
>his Ghostkeel didn't roll for Nova Charges
Did you mean Riptide? Ghostkeels don't have Nova Generators, and a Riptide doesn't have to activate it if he doesn't want to. Regardless, if he's not a new Tau player, then he's a twat.

Speaking of Tau, I need a bit of help from other Taufags here. I just picked up a Start Collecting Box, mainly for the new XV8s and Ethereal, but ended up with the new Firewarrior box. I've already got five Strike teams (I like infantry and tanks rather than suits) so should I go for the sixth or should I make up some Breachers? Has anyone had some good experiences with them? Are they actually fun?...

>>49309334
tau players are typically cheaters

>>49308973
Shame they can't get veterans though.

I'd definitely use the 6 inch hatred bubble crozius, even more so with the new lost and the damned formation

>>49309325
well fuck me but i seriously cant find it
in wich archive is it in?

>>49308047
>Easy mode
Ghazhgull base with a few simple swaps and add ons

Then there's the other ones where you use Grukk/AoBR warboss/Daemon prince parts and a bunch of plasticard/greenstuff.

Minotaurs and Crypt horrors from WHFB kits are also around the same size in terms of limbs.

Ogres are a mistake because they stand fully upright.

Updated this list based on some earlier suggestions.

==Black Crusade Detachment==
Free VOTLW is always nice
=Chaos Warband=
Note: Everything in this formation is Obsec.
Chaos Lord w/ Mark of Nurgle, Bike, Power Fist, Sigil of Corruption - 150 [Warlord]
Chaos Sorcerer w/ ML 2, Bike, Force Axe, Spell Familiar - 120
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Marines. Champion has Combimelta, 1 Marine has a Meltagun/Bolt Pistol/CCW, rest have Bolt Pistol/CCW - 97
-Rhino w/ Dozer Blade - 40
5 Chosen, 2 Plasma Guns - 120
-Rhino - 35
5 Chosen, 2 Plasma Guns - 120
-Rhino - 35
3 Bikers, replacing two TL Bolters w/ Flamers. Champion has Meltabombs - 85
3 Bikers, replacing two TL Bolters w/ Flamers. Champion has Meltabombs - 85
5 Havocs, 4 Autocannons - 115
5 Havocs, 4 Autocannons - 115
=Spawn Auxiliary=
2 Spawn w/ Mark of Nurgle - 72
2 Spawn w/ Mark of Nurgle - 72
==Daemon Ally Detachment==
=HQ=
Herald of Tzeentch on Disc - 70
=Troops=
12 Horrors - 108
Total Points: 1850

Army Notes: The Lord joins one unit of you-know-whats, while the Sorcerer joins the other unit. The Horrors/Herald roll on Malefic. Thanks to the Draft FAQ, they get both Psychic Focus and Chaos Psychic Focus. I get three chances to roll for the powers I really want (Cursed Earth, Sacrifice, and I'm ok with the Herald getting Dark Flame).

I prefer to take units in doubles, so I can either split the army into two self-contained "cohorts" of:
-2 Units of "Line Infantry" (Melta Chaos Marines)
-1 Unit of "Rifle" Infantry (Chosen)
-1 Unit of Light Cavalry: (Bikers)
-1 Unit of Heavy Cavalry: (HQ + unnameable things)
-1 Unit of "Artillery": (Havocs)

>>49309312
Huh, guess he was being a double faggot then. Also, I think I misinterpreted the Mono rules: I thought wounding on initiative meant if the target has I4, it's a 4+ to wound. Wow, I'm retarded and that puts mono in a whole new light. They still seem awfully similar to shuriken catapults tho. Is the mobility thing the main reason people take Spiders? Cause against Tau it doesn't seem all that important; they WANT to stay as far away as possible, and have sillybuggers range too. Have you played them against Tau before? How'd they do?

>>49309318
Nah, even if he is a faggot I'm not going to descend to his level. I prefer a challange to taking D-cannon Vauls Wrath as an 'I win' button. Any tips against Tau tho?

>>49309334
I've heard this a lot on this board. Dunno what it is about Tau players.

>>49309491
Nope, just looked up the model for a Ghostkeel and that's definitely what he had. Guess I need to double check him on his rules next time. And no, he isn't new, but he doesn't seem like a real 'That Guy' type, just fudges things a bit. Maybe I'm being too easygoing.

>>49309613
They're playing on auto-pilot half the time, so they don't know what to do when it actually comes to the rules.

>>49308117
>>49308283

A small-ish lever, the stripes aren't as visible as IW likes to do. Makes you feel iron as fuck still.

>>49309613
>I thought wounding on initiative meant if the target has I4, it's a 4+ to wound.
No you're correct on that, it's just that most Tau units have garbage initiative scores.

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>>49309292

>getting rid of the lances

wtf thats the best thing about them...

btw those models look great are those victoria miniatures bits for the riders?

>>49309697
no your wrong. Monofilament weapons treat the target's initiative value as their toughness when determining the to-wound roll.

>>49309613
Against castle tau, warp spiders might not be the best choice, but if he has even semi-agressive riptides/ghostkeels, they will be useful (wounding on 2s and all).

And yeah, the retarded-tier mobility is why spiders are so great. a potential 5d6+6" move, plus 2d6" in your opponents turn makes them nearly impossible to pin down, and their guns are super good vs almost all infantry. (except against other eldar)

>>49309491
You pretty much need a devilfish to get them into S6 range, or park them on an obj to use their range to threaten off melee.
Strike teams just feel more satisfying to use.

>>49309697
So what was>>49309312 talking about when he said they wound most things in the game on 2's? Is there some special rule I'm missing here, or maybe an FAQ?

>>49309781
>>49309697
This is why people need to know the rules before discussing them.

Monofilament treats initiative as toughness. Warpsiders wound most things on 2s.

>>49309573
WHFB kits are very expensive now that WHFB is dead

>>49309770
>potential 5d6+6" move
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it 4d6
2d6+6 warp jump
d6 rerollable run
d6 jetpack redeploy move

>>49309829
Minotaurs and crypt horrors survived the great model cull, and their bits should be easily found online.

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>>49309814
Just checked my codex, and yep you are right. No idea how I messed that up. Thank you kind sir, you've made my next purchase much easier- can't see myself going up against Nids any time soon. What init is the average for Daemons? There's a player floating around, haven't had a chance to play him yet.

>mfw excited to play against my second-favourite army

>>49309870
jetpacks are 2d6

>>49309901
All tzeentch demons are 3/4, I imagine all nurgle daemons are slow too. I played KDK yesterday and apparently bloodletters at least are I5, so I'm assuming most of their daemons are >=I5, and im assuming slannesh is the same way.

>>49309908
Of course. Cheers anon.
This clearly means that I need to get to sleep.

>>49309733
Huh. That means against that one Nurgle LoW from FW, he'd have T9.

>>49309995
if that nurgle lord of war is initaitve 9, then yes, your correct.

>>49309901

>>49309927
>and apparently bloodletters at least are I5,
Nope. They're I4. Daemonettes are I5.
He lied to you, dude. Or he may have sincerely forgotten, it happens to all of us from time to time. I used to think all Plague Marines had Slow and Purposeful, because one guy told me they did and I believed it because it made logical sense that they would be

>>49310071
huh. Not that it makes a ton of difference. Knowing the guy, I'm more inclined to believe he just forgot/dismembered
.

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>>49309995
to be fair cor'bax is a daemon prince

>>49309491
Breachers need devilfishes to move around, and with the new faq, they'll shoot snap shots after disembarking from a jinked devilfish. I rather use your newly-acquired crisis as your marine hunters instead of Breachers

>>49309212
Funny enough, our dark eldar player always thinks Crisis and Broadsides are T5. He shoots at them with venom weapons, so it doesn't matter much (I always tell him they're T4)

Looks like your fella should get a Tau 101 codex reading class.

I'll be taking drawing request !

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So just came back from a long time is there anything new of note? Im interested in playing Black Templars because of there fluff are they even viable and do they have anything special? How can i make BT withought buying the overpiced upgrade sprues Jesus fucking christ Gw loves money.

>>49310100
>dismembered
Makes sense for Khorne/Slaanesh I guess

>>49310157
Lord of change

Who are you?

>>49310157
Admech Tech priest hugging a toaster!

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>>49310157
A Thallax helm, with the left section cracked and showing portions of the skull inside.

>>49310157
r/ing a pic of a Striking Scorpion Exarch duelling with a Necron Overlord

This happened in my last-but-one game, the Exarch took a wound off but got utterly squished in retaliation. Funnily enough the wound was done with his mandiblaster, not the claw. Might make for a cool scene?

>>49310157

draw some elysian drop troops

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Played a 1,500 point game Saturday. Dude was insulting Guardsmen and talking all shit about them and said he could beat my army in kill points. Beat him 8-2 and now he has too watch Starship Troopers cause that's what I modeled my infantry on. Credit to sick ass terrain is GW manager. What did you do this weekend /tg/?

>>49310247

mind posting your armylist?

>>49310247
Did Abaddon finally die and get entombed in a Dread?

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>>49310205
Best I could find. Scorpions are just being extra sneaky and you can't see them yet.

>>49310247
Congratz, man. Sometimes players need a humbling to enjoy the hobby more than the victory itself.

And I'm speaking as a humbled one.

>>49308638
Why not up their points and go the forge world route and give them

T4, fnp 6+, w2, platoons/squadrons and carapace armor?

God do I want 25 death riders as an allied formation for my mech guard.

Also I would love to pay for a regimental standard to give a squadron outflank.

>>49310247

>cause that's what I modeled my infantry

all i can see is black and gray and you didnt even bother to base your troopers

lazy

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>>49310292
Kek, thanks anon. Reminds me of another fight in the same game, pic related.

>Uhhh, Warlock? Don't suppose you 'foresaw' a way out of this one, did you?

>>49310247
Played against my buddy's Guardmen vs my Tzeentch Daemons in a 1000 pts

Was an absolute slaughter.. between my inability not to roll 6s, Slaanesh personally crippling two tanks turn one (destroying both main guns due to Dark Prince Thirst.), underestimating my willingness to do risky deep strikes, and his awful dice rolls it was kinda sad.

Between Nurgle's Rot and Slaanesh's Thirst they must of killed about 250 pts by themselves. Oh the fun of the Warp Storm

>>49310169
I am just a French drawfag, an owner of a lonely heart and swift hands
>>49310190
Where do you want the cracks ?
Eye socket ? Jaws ?
>>49310205
I'm on it, I'm starting with the thallax helm

>>49310354
Eshin grey for armor. Administratum grey for fatigues. It looks like black but really isn't. Working on basing just need to paint up another squad first.

>>49310394
>Lonely heart
I know that feel, based drawfriend. Thanks, you've made an Eldar newfag very happy.

>>49309651
I learned from my local tau fag that a riptide was to firing modes normal and super charged and only the second gets hot.

>>49310366
I like the burnt, ash covered trees. Nice touch.

>>49310437
I'll be real cool of you can provide a striking Scorpion exarch pic
Also Necron4lyfe

>>49310157
Could I get a Raven Guard scout getting destroyed from a D-Cannon from an AdMech Dominus? Preferably with a Skitarii Infiltrator corpse near the Dominus

>>49310394
Cracks would be where the left-eye would be, revealing a portion of the skull as well as an empty eye socket. Or an eye socket with an actual eye in there, for that extra but of grimdark.

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>>49310366
I can go one better.

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>>49310468
Sure thing, here ya go, you undead robot loving faggot jk, I love you man

What troops should I use for Khorne Daemonkin? Choices are Marines, Berserkers, Cultists and Bloodletters. No chosen or anything like that.

Also, am I wrong to find the chainaxe very underwhelming? ap 4 just doesn't seem worth 3 points per model.

>>49310476
I am very uneasy with space marines and skitarii despite liking those very much, I'm sorry anon but can't do anything for you, I'll might try it but can't guarantee it will be good

>>49310529
...did those Guardsmen kill a squad of Termies? Fucking christ, adamantium balls indeed. I hope they all got promotions, or at least backstories and names.

>>49310448
If the Riptide has an Ion Accelerator, it has 3 modes.
The normal one is just 3 shots
The second one is the S8 pie plate, gets hot
The third one is nova-charged, S9 pie plate with ordnance and gets hot

If it has the chaingun, only the nova-charged profile has gets hot

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>>49310500
Thallax are so cool. T5 3W Jetpack Infantry troops.

>>49310562
OH darn, that's fine!

>>49310531
>when u dab for the Emperor

>>49310581
Is that a spinal cord and heart?

>>49310581
why did they have to make skitarii/admech so lame and leave out almost all the actually cool stuff?

>>49310563
Second time they have too. On the charge they wiped out an entire GK termie command squad. That was a fun ass game. His last Grey Knight killed my last Russ it exploded and just everything died.

>>49309720
I know hunting lances are awesome and without them you would need to be able to up their bs skill and give them meltas to make them relevant.

Equally why not make rough riders deticated transport?

So that any guard squad could pay for 40pts to give them 10 horses and 2 wounds each.

Now if you wanted to you could give a veteran squad horses instead of a chimera. Think about the awesome that is melta vets with a potential 24 inch charge or a 18 inch melta threat range.

Also any special characters joining the squad at the beginning of the game should be able to buy a horse and be permanently attached to the squad.

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>>49310642
Because GW didn't let FW make the AdMech codex like they wanted to.

>>49310468
>Necronbro

This is a good drawfag. Legions ascendant, unstoppable as night.

>>49309518
Veterans is nice but I can see fluffwise why newer renegades wouldnt have access to it

Any leaks for actual rules from Angel's Blade? I fucked up and bought the limited edition. Those objective markers were so shiny...

>>49310644
Damn son, sounds like they need some fluff

>The Last Line, a regiment so named after having killed a squad of renegade Terminators, specialise in engaging the elite units of any and all opponents, including the dreaded and revered Space Marines. Known for their tenacity against seemingly insurmountable odds, they train to strike with absolute precision in melee, impaling the weak points of their foes upon their monomolecular bayonets. Despite a short life expectancy, they are lighthearted in spirit, knowing that each day may be their last in service of the Emperor and their Commissar. They often finish their foes with pithy one-liners, at once demonstrating contempt for the enemy and their relentless optimism.

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>>49309212
I feel you hardcore. I fought guard recently as KDK and boy was it bad. Actually packed up and left midgame because it was straight up lies. Aside from nearly every rule lying through his teeth, and despite literally everything he said resulting in me saying "can you read that from the rule book"

Some choice bits:
>Creed can use "Move Move Move 3 times and can run 3d6 each time"
>FRFSRF can be stacked and plays with rapid fire, so 10 guardsmen somehow shoot 80 times
>Leman Russ plasma does not get hot
>Normal guardsmen, not vets, can take camo cloaks
>vehicles get cover saves in close combat
>caught him changing the dice number for hullpoints on his leman russ
>WHOLE ARMY IS JUST SPRAYED ARMY GREEN

As I packed up he was bragging that his remaining 2 guard squads and creeds command would destroy my chaos contemptor, 2 rhinos, bloodthirster, and berserkers in the next 3 turns.

This man was at least 30 and "giving advice" to newer players trying to game in store. Christ this hobby can just drain a guy sometimes.

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What's the best weapon loadout for a Triarch Stalker? I'm building the one that came with the Getting Started box and finally got to the weapon.

Is tinyhammer still a thing?

>>49310832
Fucking hell, he sounds like the worst kind of player. For fucks sake tell your local group about him, the last thing any hobby needs is faggots like him shitting up the place and turning people off.

>>49310533
well cultists are the cheapest and die the easiest for blood tithe points

chainaxe is underwhelming

>>49310889
I'd do the heat ray, since it's flexible and only the Stalker gets it.

>>49310832
>vehicles get cover saves in close combat

Nothing gets cover saves in close combat, period.

>>49310706
I like necrons as well. I'll use some canopteks as my melee corps

>>49310686
okay the skitarii have some neat things, but the cult mechanicus codex is atrocious. They're the fucking admech and they can neither field normal techpriests/servitors or any vehicle of any sort.

the basic skitarii squad should have been extremely barebones but allow for a huge number of upgrades for stats, rules and weapons. also fucking transports holy shit.

tech priest dominus should've had a totally-not-inquisitorial-henchmen squad available with various crazy ass specialists

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I'll be posting some of my art (If you're ok with that)

>>49310832
Sounds like you got ultra IRL TROLLED XD but seriously fuck cheaters

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>>49310832
He sounds like a filthy waac heretic.
I would have thrown open my codex and called out the bullshit.

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>>49310985
I'm good.

how viable would it be to just take like 7 level 3 chaos sorcerers in a death star with spawn or something, and then just summon an entire army?

>>49310832
>Leman Russ plasma does not get hot
I fucking wish.

>>49311039
Can't use the same spell twice if they are all in 1 unit.

>>49311039
why aren't you just playing daemons instead?

>>49311039
Not very. CSM still perils as badly as any loyalist on the deamonic chart. What could work is replacing all those sorcerers with ML3 heralds all on discs. Still not super viable though with that many.

>>49311058
I know, the only plasma guns the imperium has no gets hot are in the machanicus war convocation.

>>49311102
I at least wish the executioner only had to roll one gets hot.

>>49310345
As far as I know, Death Riders are their own thing. Rough Riders could fill the niche of cheap, weak but fast infantry that isn't mechanised.

>>49310889
Maybe you can magnetise it? Then you can just change it up if you feel like one weapon isn't working out for you.

>>49311102
I would remark that if you don't want to/can't run War Con at least half of Skitarii list building is finding ways to motivate the 50% chance to kill your own gunners.

>>49311123
Magnets with necrons are tricky, as they are very thin models with small joining points.

Do the Flesh Tearers have different helmet colours for things like Assault or Devestator squads?

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>>49310896
Not my local FLGS thank god
>>49310907
>>49311003
>>49311058
>>49311001

The straw that broke the camels back was when I deepstruck in some raptors and a Bloodthirster. The raptors misshaped into ongoing, but the BL was fine. As I was putting the raptors back, he was manhandling my fucking Bloodthirster with his greasy mitts, and was convinced that if one unit mishaps, all units deep striking that turn also mishap.

>cheeto handling my models
>mfw

just said, "alright, I'm done" and packed up

>>49311154
*Mitigate* damn the autocorrect.

>>49311075
i wasnt really worried about perils since theyd all have 4+ invulns, have endurance, rerolling all failed saves, and sanctuary for a rerollable 3++ with a 4+++ fnp, etc etc.

>>49311070
the new csm powers are good.

also i want to convert blightkings into nurgle wizards and i doubt they could pass as DPs

>>49311163
does he get other games with people in the store? Does he have a reputation?

>>49311163
I had a similar problem with a Bangles player who insisted that he could deepstrike and shoot, then charge a different unit while in an unbound list, and that Skitarii can never get rerolls on shooting. The store guy backed him up as well.

>>49310531
>muh purity seal!

>>49311220
god damn, who are these retards at your stores. All the waacfags at my place are tourney players who will call out cheaters on a dime. Even the front counter guy is a tourney player and I often go to him for rule clarifications and he's been right every time.

>>49311058
To be fair in 5e codex it didn't get hot, could be forgetting and remembering the old.

But considering the rest of the shit he pulled. I doubt it.

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>go back in my uni apartment
>cool, my roomate has bought some more minis
>a dunecrawler, some inquisition stuff and uh, more daemon princes for his daemon army
>one is missing the head
>its just the neck stump thing where you attach the head, with a tiny demon head attached and well green stuffed
>look down on the base
>this prince is called "zyka"

>>49311180
You can't take invulnerable saves vs perils (FNP is still okay tho)

>>49311161
>Flesh Tearers
>Devestators

>>49311287
pls tell me it's a nurgle DP with insect wings and a brazilian color tone

>>49308973
d4chan was working on rules for them a while back - check there, Cypher.
I like you! My headcanon has the Fallen and the Sons of Malice working together to gimp Chaos - give 'em hell.

>>49311287
Nurgle prince, please?

>>49311253
Mostly players who are used to being able to bullshit newfags like me into stuff. I had a read through their codex and when they wouldn't see reason left and played with the local Taufag, who is actually really nice. All the SM players seem to be dicks for some reason.

I heard people in my area are going back to playing 5th ed. Is this like a larger meta shift away from 7th or is just a localised phenomenon?

(I've been out of 40k for a while)

>>49311287
your roommate is quite the colorful character, that he is!

>>49311306
Semi related note:
Are the plague drone's insect wings scaled enough for a Daemon Prince?

>>49311295
Never said I was going to use them, using it as an example.

>>49308973
They haven't been retconned.

I suggest against the malal fandex(es) on 1d4chan since it's a clusterfuck and managed by multiple people with conflicting opinions.

In the Labyrinth story, there are possessed described, particularly chitinous in mutation. This matches depictions of the Malalite daemon art you may have seen. Be careful to not overuse tyranid bits if you intend to do this, as it can look uninspired fast.

Sons of Malice otherwise have little connection to employing daemons in their fighting force.

So, in particular you're left with:
Daemon Prince
Lords
Sorcerers
Chosen
Dreadnoughts
Possessed
CSM
Havocs
Bikers
Rhino-chassis armory
Landraiders

Maybe:
Raptors
Defilers

Dinobots might be out of their reach.
Cultists might also be no-go.

If you want to run malalite daemons with them, be prepared to work for your conversions(to make them not-shit) or to pay a lot for somewhat-shoddy recreations from that one kickstarter. The Lessers(AKA "Hooked Horrors") might be a bit more useful counts-as for daemonettes than bloodletters.

For full Malal worshiping, remember that his sacred number is 11.

>>49311306
>>49311318
its not painted yet, when he comes home i will ask him.

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For the thallax helm, do you like how it is going ? I'm going to ink it

>>49311343
Truth be told, probably. Blood Angels certainly do since they're codex compliant aside from the existance of the Death Company.

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Is there any Tau fluff in the black library? Can't find any in the mega link

>>49311369
Like it!

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Thought you guys might be interested in another pic. The manager at my store has been building up these huge terrain pieces. It's still WIP but I think it's pretty nice.

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The fight we were waiting for just happened.

Kharn vs Abaddon (picture related).

Kharnfags BTFO
Abaddon is physically stronger than Kharn
Kharn is so deluded that he cannot see what the Blood God truly wants of him

So I saw that guy earlier asking about collecting an entire Chapter, but I want to collect an entire Imperial Guard Regiment. That's a bad idea, right?

>>49311154
It's more like a 20% chance, and its not like Skitarii needs to run mass plasma calivers to be effective.

>>49311369
I think the crack should go diagonally downwards to expose more of his nose hole and some upper mandible. It would A) look less like the guy deliberatly broke his own helmet over the eye and B) would give a better sense of what's behind the visor.

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>>49311528
>That's a bad idea, right?
bad is a relative term.
bad for your wallet and sanity? definitely.
it's gonna be an accomplishment nerds all over the world are gonna envy you for. do it for the glory. IG style.

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>>49311528
It's a terrible idea. Go for it

>>49311409
You must have missed the more or less latest books about the japs and bird-goths.
Also, tau eat noodles.

>>49311579
>>49311581
>[muffled inspirational music in the distance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqWHIq-aZw

>>49311521

What's this from?

>>49311554
No, but I do like having one squad with three of them, so 1.5 gets hot, .75 armor saves then 6+ FNP. Luckily I have reroll nearly all the time. What's the verdict on Misfortune on big Tau Mcs and shooting them with a shit ton of Radium Carbines?

>>49311058

wasn't the entire gimmick of the executioner that it didn't get hot thanks to its makers knowing what heat-shielding is?

>>49311674
The Red Path short story series.

The final boss of the series is Abaddon.

>>49311294
think id be better off just running 5 level 3 nurgle wizards + spawnstar + DP or something and then ally in a GUO? then i could summon 3x a turn

i want to make the deathstar just because itll look cool as shit. also it can rape pretty much any deathstar 1v1 if they are dumb enough to fight them.

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Yet again begging for Watchers In Death.
Anyone got a pdf/epub/mobi

>>49311703
apparently not anymore

>>49311720

I'd be fine with it having get hot if I got a low-power mode where it did less damage, but no get hot, and an overcharge mode where chances are I'm gonna blow up, but spit globs of burning plasma over everything.

>>49311573
Ok, I'm going for dinner, I'll be back soon

>>49311712
The new book was released recently.

"Last Son of Dorn".

Want me to post spoilers?

>>49311409

there's fire warrior, which I remember being pretty neat

>>49311703
I think that was only on the original Lucius (or Ryza, forgot which is good at plasma) pattern ones. Rest of the Imperium still can't heatsink for shit.

Hey Shas! Thanx for the heads up on your updates last thread. You are a useful tau.

>>49311677
>What's the verdict on Misfortune on big Tau Mcs and shooting them with a shit ton of Radium Carbines?
I don't run psykers with my mechanicus so I wouldn't know. Is that something people are commonly doing? Is it mainly Inquisitors?

>>49311755
I'm not one to be bootybothered by spoilers, since we all know how it ends, but I'd rather read the books if you're willing to share a download.

>>49311796
I like having Coteaz to fix some of my problems with deepstrike sniping my KatD's, so I roll two cheap psyker with his Henchmen, giving me 4 charges. Rerolls to hit on the Kastelans or Kataphron squads can be lethal. Also IIRC rad-poisoning and rending stack, so 2 AP2 wounds on 6s.

>>49311829
I'll share after Dinner.

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>>49310354
Actual good lighting for my Guardsman. It's an old pic but the only one that shows their paint scheme pretty decently.

>>49311706

Where can I download them for free

So I recently showed my orkbro the Space Odin fandex, and we played a game recently.

What the fuck is going on with the Painmob? He brought a squad of nob bikers with 5+ invulns, 4+ FNP, plus all the other biker shit. Is the entire codex full of crazy nonsense like that?

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>>49311980
>the Space Odin fandex

>>49311980
>using fandexes

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>>49311980
>5+ Invuln 4+ FNP is 'crazy'

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>>49311980
>Space Odin fandex

>>49311579
>>49311581
>>49311664

Alright, anons, I'll do it. I'm going to need estimates on everything's numbers though.

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>>49312002
>>49312123

>>49311980
You do realize that 5++ 4+FNP was possible for nob bikers before the recent shitbook, right?

Like, the Space Odin fandex isn't that great, but holy shit dude, Orks used to have access to that not very long ago. (And in 7e it's not nearly as powerful as it was in early 5e, when the nob bike deathstar had it's short heyday.)

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>>49312205
That fandex in particular isn't all that hotshit, though.

>>49311899
Thank you so much, bruv

>>49311712
only have a link to the audiobook

audiobookbay dot me/audio-books/watchers-in-death-the-beast-arises-9-warhammer-40000-david-annandale/

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>>49312266
oh fuck my sides

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>>49312266

>>49312233
Maybe, but it's way outside the league of what I was expecting-- I didn't actually have anything that'd reliably hurt them aside from a daemon prince.

>>49312266

So mathematically, my preference for futa on futa is identical to vanilla porn?

>>49312428
Can't argue with that math

>>49312428
It's arguably more heterosexual than male on female porn, due to more even distribution of male and female attributes.

>>49312183
First you need to pick a type of regiment, according to the Guard thing of Hyper-Specialisation to prevent effective renegade regiments. Obviously feel free to have a shit ton of auxiliary forces though. I'll do my best for numbers once I have a type to work with.

>>49312301
That's alright. I've been looking for the damn thing for a month. I'm happy with an audio book. Is it unabridged?

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>>49311573
Here it is

>>49308409
I question the combi-grav for a fire support squad. You're not gonna get close enough to use it.

>>49312569
Probably a Mechanised Infantry regiment. Seems to be more a varied force.

A quick question here lads. Does hatred allow Kharn to reroll his 1's when hitting? and if so i suppose this means he only attacks his own men on a second roll of a 1.

If not, is it worth making him the warlord of an army since he can't really use his own hatred?

>>49312822
Yes Kharn can use Hatred.

>>49312651
yes they can, depends how you play Raptors Chapter Tactics. They have infiltrate + scout.

>>49312570
from what I understand should be, didn't listen to any of the TBA ones yet

>>49311521
Kharn is one mean tsundere. Sheesh was a stubborn bloke..

>>49312579
Do you have a tablet? I think that's wicked enough that a proper paintover complete with a scene of fire and carnage reflected in the intact parts of the visor is in order

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>>49312579

Nice Picture Anon

>>49313091
I have a tablet, unfortunately my Mac isn't here, if someone is skilled enough he can do it if he(or her) doesn't quote me in source
>>49313131
Thank you, want me to ink that ?

>>49312876
So there is like almost no chance you can kill your allies with Kharn if he's got hatred up? Welp, i'm glad since i'm gonna field him soon. it seems pointless to even have the Betrayer rule but whatever kinda fluffy i guess

I suppose on the second round of combat he might start hitting his own

>>49309491
I'm currently converting the firewarriors in my latest box (to great of a deal not to when you need more XV8s) into pathfinders. Just take the markerlight drone piece, whittle the underside down a bit to sit flat on the pulse carbine, and use the breecher helmets/shoulderpads. bam.

I dont play competitive and the groups i play are really laxed about counts as, as long as its clear what counts as what.

>>49310247
I played two games in a local tournament that was much more WAAC than I was expecting. My first game was against a guy with four Knights, none even painted against my take-all-comers Imperial Fists, though I did have three full tactical squads with plasma guns. Got fucking tabled of course and it left a sour taste in my mouth. One knight is fair game, but four is ridiculous.

My second and last game of the day was against a Deathwing player stoned out of his mind, but was very fun, going all the way to the end of Turn Seven and resulted in a bare victory for my Fists. To celebrate I bought some Raptors and the new Kharn, though in hindsight I'm regretting getting the cool modeled Raptors over the more effective Chaos Bikes.

>>49311980
The Painmob is GW's creation as a part of the Ork Start Collecting set.

Before they removed invuln saves entirely with the last (shit) codex, the whole biker setup was totally doable except for the 4+ FNP--it was 5+.

It costs out the ass to make that all happen--more than Space Marines have to pay for similar stuff. No-one yet has been able to justify why Ork FNP can't be improved when Iron Hands & others' can.

>>49313301
Give 'em 2 meltas and a combi-melta. melta-cide for life.

i would even still do this even with the new Raptor claw formation, but i guess a fist is more appealing on the champ since he can now charge the tank from DS

I will be doing the exarch vs Necron lord

How many riptides would it take to counter a knight? Could one do the job with support from say a hammerhead or melta XV8s?

Are there any cheaper alternatives for brushes/paint than the GW range?

Not trying to use shitty ones, but I've never used any other variety, and I'm trying to cut some costs on buying a whole new set of paint for my new DE force. If there is, too, is there some kind of easy conversion chart (e.g. *Blank* is the khorne red of this range)?

>>49313404
>No-one yet has been able to justify why Ork FNP can't be improved when Iron Hands & others' can.
>others
Who? AFAIK, only iron hands can improve FNP. I guess technically crons can improve RP, but, while in many ways functionally the same, is still an entirely different special rule.

>>49313484
Riptides aren't a very good counter to Knights.
HBC (Nova) will remove 0.5 HP against AV 12 4++ and 1 without the 4++.

The IA is even worse (0.25/0.5).

You want a Y'vahra to really hurt a Knight, alongside some melta Crisis.

>>49313558
Special rules for daemons either grant a FnP or improve it by 1.

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Hey lads, what's the most metal gun Chaos has access to?

Combi-Christ

>>49313426
Nice, thanks for the advice! Are Warp Talons of any use with the new formation or are they still garbage?

>>49312579
>>49313169
Original anon here, just got back, was busy with something. This is better than expected. Definitely saving this.

tabletop newfag here, thinking of starting with crons. Anything I should get on top of the Start Collecting box?

>>49313606
The best is yet to come, currently inking the drawing, stay tuned

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>>49313594
pic related
>>49313484
just take stormsurges

>>49313581
>Riptides aren't a very good counter to Knights.
Markerlighted, un-compted Bursttidewing would like to say a word.

>>49313612
more warriors, wraiths, lynchguard, tomb spiders, more scarabs, destroyers.

>>49313592
The nurgle warlord trait?
While I guess that's technically correct, I don't know how smart it is to put a randomly determined trait in the same category as chapter tactics and wargear.
Even then, all this points to the Iron hands and nurgle +1 being the exception, not the rule. Most every form of FnP doesn't stack. No reason for orks to be any different.

>>49309491
The one time I put breachers in a devilfish it was pretty fun, if not the most effective.

>>49313612
Doomsday ark or go home

What would be the best Chapter Tactics that fits Loyalist Thousand Sons?

>>49313725
Choosing what ever CT you want?
That's what they currently have.

>>49313679
0.833 or 1.667. Still underwhelming, compared to a Y'vahra

>>49313725
None. Their 30k book will show up by December

>>49313760
Fug man I don't wanna play 30k but if I must to be able to play them without my shitty CSM codex, fuck it.

>>49313725
>>49313794
Just play blood ravens, seeing as that's what they are.

>>49313760
>0.833 or 1.667. Still underwhelming, compared to a Y'vahra
Yeah its underwhelming. And you forget they can doubletap their weapons. Does 3,333hp of damage per riptide. That can actually wreck 2 knights per turn since Ion Shield cant be everywhere

>>49313805
not that guy, but when I was young and just getting into 40k I played chaos and my backstory was loyalist thousand sons, before Dawn of War even came out. Fuck Relic.

>>49313693
Dark Eldar also get special rules that improve FnP, don't you think that's a trend?

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best race to play if im an ASSHOLE and can never do anythin right???

>>49313884
tau. Low risk, high reward. Necrons second. For added faggotry, just ally the two.

>>49313884
Black legion.

>>49313884

Tau or Eldar.

>>49313725
Ultramarines with Libarius Conclave adding a bare bones Librarian to each squad to act as the Sergeant with the actual Sergeant as an understudy.

>>49313959
that's pretty damned fluffy and cool anon.

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What's the verdict m8s?

Didn't want all four of my stalker users to look the same so I modded my leftover shotguns. Could have used a bigger scope imo but I had no scout sniper kits left over

>>49313606
Finished !

>>49313794
But 30k and 40k are compatible. I'm going to proxy 30k TS a lot against 40k lists. In fact, 30k marines are weaker than their 40k counterparts.

>>49313859
I too like the idea of loyalist TS, but their chaos unit is horrid. Maybe, if you push it a lot, considering Grey Knights their 40k version.

>>49313807
>doubletap
doubletap if in riptide wing, once per game. this already makes them costlier than the knight. the little secondary weapon isn't worth much against a knight.

>ion shield can't be everywhere
well, this again assumes riptide wing and/or other stuff to support - no counting the markerlights you told me before. still more pricey than 1 knight

I'm not saying Riptides are bad against knight, just that there are better tools for that in Tau's arsenal

>>49313884
Eldar is very powerful and forgetting. also, they're pretty assholes in the lore as well

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>>49313904
>>49313911
>>49313914
fuck tau
im thinking necrons
them boys don't die
pic related, its a dontdieboy

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>>49314039
Forgot pic sry

>>49308739
Wounds do not spill over into other units. So there is no problem with wounds vs armor pen.
And you people that didn't know this, read the brb again

>>49313404
>>49313558
>>49313592
Unmodified Feel No Pain was a 4+ in 5th edition, which is what Orks had at the time.

I haven't peeked in Odin's manuscript in a while, but I know the previous ork codex had the nob biker deathstar being incredibly expensive in points even for how durable it is.

Any scan of traitor's hate?

>>49314291
In mega. I'm currently reading it so it is there, just keep looking.

>>49314266
According to what I got told by Orkbro, the Nob biker blob was only ~300 points.

>>49314040
optimized RAPE cadre or the infinite seeker missile piranha formation then?

>>49313426
>Give 'em 2 meltas and a combi-melta
A whole one hull point off on average. Wow!

They position their shield.at the start of your shooting phase and they ignore all damage table results except 7+ which does D3 hull points instead of destroying them. Three meltas is utterly inadequate.

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Good models to start collecting some skeleton boys?
I'm thinking a Cryptek or Lord, Warriors, DDay Ark ... what else if I don't wanna run Canoptek Harvest?
Immortals? Do I need Scythes, Destroyers?

>>49314308
epub or PDF?

>>49313725
If you want lots of psychers as troops and are fine with super heresy you could go grey knights.

>>49314329
Epub. Just use Readium, you'll be fine

>>49314326
->
>>49313683
>>49313612

>>49314326
Keep your opponent on edge and assault him from every angle. 2 Doomsday Arks bubblewrapped with some warriors at the back firing massive pie plates, have some immortals move up the board in a wall formation blasting shit apart, Deathmarks deepstriking and snipering opportune shit, a night scythe dropping a Lord/Cryptek/5-10man Sword and Board Lychguard CC deathstar in his deployment zone and have some wraiths and/or scarab blobs bounce around cutting targets up and leaving them crippled.

>>49314326

You should still get Wraiths even if you don't do Canoptek Harvest. Plus they're fun models to build i m o

>>49314313
optimized stealth cadre is golden... but the faq messed with it a bit (the shield protects the knight if your unit is phisically opposite to its front, so the back shooting thing isn't used at all).

missile piranha could be one option

personally, I like DS melta crisis with Tetras as both ML source and no-scatter zone

>>49314075
Very good!

>>49314112

Where's it say that?

I was playing against some newbie tyranid kid about 12 years old last year, and trying to find a clause anywhere that said my massively overkilling a Carnifex wouldn't spill over and kill his hive tyrant locked in the same combat nearly 6 inches away too. Couldn't find squat, ended up having to kill the Tyrant.

Played my second game ever, 500 points, my deathwatch vs necrons in a retribuition phalanx, kill points Purge the Alien.
I won, but by the end all that was left was my Librarian and the Triarch Stalker glaring at each other.

>>49314400
oh dang cool
i love deathmarks

>>49314310
>only

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>>49314445
pic related

So how often in the fluff do Necrons -actually- die, rather than just progressively go through a dozen asshole layers of repairing and teleporting away?

>>49314500
any time they fight the big bad infallible space marines

>>49314458
Ditto. Wish one of the collecting boxes included them.

The Necron boxes are some of the best value for money stuff GW has. They give you so much shit in those and with some warrior bodies you can double your units.

>>49308638
How about what I said early on one of the branches of comments

Horses are now dedicated transports that give any guardsmen unit who takes them +1W, FNP 6+, and any independent character(commissar and preist) can permanently join the unit and gain a horse.

And lets say this costs about 30 pts per unit/squad.


Then I would buy some rough riders.

Also lets say that after buying the horses the unit/squad could then buy a lance and CCWs for 5pts per model.

If I could have that I may just make an army of them.

Hey look, angel's blade leaks

New QG : death company chaplain (actual cost +35). Same statline, has inferno pistol, jump pack and the Astorath reroll to wound rule.
Grav-cannon and eviscerator as anticipated.
New stuff: a thunder hammer master crafted for 6 meltabombs.

Formations are the following (I do not have them all):

Angel’s blade strike force (meta detachment)
Bonus: reroll warlord trait, red thirst (same as now) and zealot for every unit below half initial size (rounded below).
Core: battle demi company or archangels demi company
Command: Golden host, Leader of the angelic host, chapter ancients
Auxiliary: Archangel orbital intervention, 10th company ambush, death company strike force, Lucifer armoured task force, stormraven squadron, rapid assault force, fire support force

Lost brotherhood (meta detachement)
Bonus: Reroll warlord trait, red thirst, and 6” free move just after you deploy an unit. Does not work with reserves.
Core: death company strike force
Command: Death company command (1-3 astorath, lemarted, DC chaplain)
Aux: orbital intervention, 10th company support, Lucifer armoured task force, stormraven squadron, rapid assault force

>>49314708
Battle demi company (core)
1 captain or chaplain
1 command squad (if the captain is chosen)
3 tactical
1 assault, bike, attack bike or land speeder
1 dev squad
1 dreadnought
1 furioso dreadnought (if the chaplain is chosen)
Bonus: reroll warlord trait if main detachment and red thirst (same as now). YES it is the SAME bonus as in the angel’s blade strike force…WTF GW. No obsec.
 AWFUL

Archangels orbital intervention force (auxiliary)
3 units of the assault or regular terminators
Bonus: all units must be put in reserve and roll together. No reroll.
When the deep strike, regular terminator can fire twice and assault terminator can charge (but count has a disoriented charge).
 NICE !

Archangels demi company (core)
1 termi captain
2 furioso dreadnoughts
5 units of terminators, vanguards or sternguards
Bonus: stubborn, reserve roll turn 1, reroll reserve roll, scatter D6 less and reroll warlord trait if main detachment.
 Quite nice but that is a huge point sink..

10th company ambush force (auxiliary)
3-5 units or either scouts or biker scouts
Scout bikers must buy mines
Bonus: stealth long as you don’t move if you infiltrate.
Precision shots during the first turn.
 Ok I guess


Stormraven squadron (auxiliary)
2-4 stormravens
At the beginning of your turn, once per battle, you can fire all your stormstrike missiles at a target and still fire in the following shooting phase

Lucifer armoured task force (auxiliary)
1 techmarine
3-5 units of baal predator or regular predators
1-3 units of land raiderd, or crusader, redeemer
Bonus: SCOUT, and boosted engines (FAST) free for every vehicle as well as for the land raiders !
 YAY ! 12” scouting land raiders ! woooot

Death company strike force (Aux or core)
1 DC chaplain
3 DC squads
1-3 DC dread
Bonus: unknown

Rapid assault force (aux)
1-3 assault, bike, attack bike, speeders
Bonus: unknown

>>49314708
>>49314730
Fire support force (aux)
1-3 devastator, vindicator, whirlwind

Golden host (Command)
Sanguinor OR Dante
2-5 sanguinary guard
Bonus: unknown
 Looks really nice with dante and only 2 units of sang guard. My guess is they get deep strike at least.

Leaders of the angelic host (command)
1 captain, termi captain, librarian, meph, sang priest, brother corbulo;
0-1 command squad;
0-1 stormraven

Chapter ancients (command)
3-5 dreadnoughts (librarian, regular or furioso)
Bonus: Once during the battle, at the beginning of your turn, you can fire as if you were in the shooting phase or pile in and fight in close combat, instead of moving during your movement phase.
Each dreadnought can perform a different action (fire, fight or move).

Death company relics
- 2+ armor with adamantium will and crusader – 6 meltabombs
- 2-handed power axe, Str of user, master crafted, armorbane – 6 meltabombs
- Counter attack stuff – 6 meltabombs
- Template pistol 4+ poisoned AP6 – 4 meltabombs
- Inferno pistol 12” master crafted – can’t see price
- DC chaplain only crozius: AP3 and reroll FNP rolls of 1 for every model that has the rule in his unit – 5 meltabombs => quite ok

>>49314746
>>49314730
>>49314708
Nearly forgot: source is DakkaDakka

Goodnight everyone may the Emperor bless you with good dreams

>>49314761
seems pretty meh, besides the terminator formation so far. Really interested in the unknown formation stuff.

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So how "evil" are the Craftworld Eldar? I know it's 40k, but just what kind of shit have they done?

>>49314946
They're not evil, but they are massive uncaring dicks for anything not an Eldar.

An example of this is where they push a hive fleet towards a system full of humans worlds with trillions of people in it to save a single Exodite planet of a few hundred thousand.

>>49314421
honestly, I think the shoot-in-the-back rule is pretty gross overall.

>>49314946
No more than standard Imperial stuff.
In their omnibus they massacred a hive spire that had a chaos artifact in it because no human who comes in contact with chaos can be trusted to live.

>>49310614
Yes.

Cybernetica are cyborgs that tread the thin, thin line between blessed machine and heretical AI.

Most forge worlds stopped making them because they lost the ability to, and they had a tendency to "wake up" and go insane.

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>>49314946
So how "evil" are the Craftworld Eldar?

They're xenos, there is no greater crime

>>49314025
I think it looks pretty damn solid. If painted, I'd wonder where you got the weapon from, thinking it was officially sculpted.

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>>49314946
They value their lives and the lives of other Eldar minus the Dark Eldar above other races.

So generally speaking it's a matter of point of view, They're good in my eyes but hey, I like them.

>>49315080
>They're good in my eyes

Eh.

They oppose Evil, but they're still entirely self-serving and don't care about who they hurt to accomplish their goals.

>>49314646
I like this idea, mostly because I've been thinking how to field Veterans outside of transports and keeping them useful since they can't blob up or have doctrines to give Scout/Infiltrator.

Veterans w/ 2 Meltaguns, in Chimera (145 pts)
>vs
Veterans w/ 3 Meltaguns, Vox-caster, Rough Riders (125 pts)

Throw in Grenadiers for 4+ Sv and it'd still be cheaper than Vetmeras, lovely. My army would be a bunch of cavalry and tanks but it would be great to use orders more often with my Veterans not being stuck in Chimeras for safety.

Is there a good Tau-centered book? I love their fluff but I don't want some full-retard shit with muh stormsurges and we curbstomp everything.

>>49315080
>minus the Dark Eldar
They still value Dark Eldar lives above every other non-eldar race.

tfw I can't find any of the Beast Arises novels aside from the two in the mega link.

I miss you Epistolary. When will a new champion arise?

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>>49308078
This is great.

>>49314730

>Archangels orbital intervention force (auxiliary)

Would take every time, dakka Terminators actually decent if you keep them to 5 man squads with Assault Cannons

>Lucifer armoured task force (auxiliary)

Still land raiders, but.. that means scouting 12 inches? and then moving another 6 and still firing all the important weapons on your predators/land raiders?

Couldn't you assault out of the raiders on turn 1 with this? unless it has a clause preventing it like in Blitz Brigade.

>Death company strike force (Aux or core)

Really want to I know what the bonus for this is.

>Golden host (Command)

Same with this one. I'd love to have a reason to actually field the Sanguinor.

>Chapter ancients (command)

Amazing, especially because I have so many Dreads for my BA. That makes drop pod Frag Cannon furiosos absolutely terrifying, same with Librarians.

>- 2+ armor with adamantium will and crusader – 6 meltabombs

Looks decent.

>- 2-handed power axe, Str of user, master crafted, armorbane – 6 meltabombs

Why S: User? if its not Unwieldy I could see it maybe.. but still mediocre.

>- Counter attack stuff – 6 meltabombs

Can it be taken on a Captain or Librarian? I'm guessing not, but still interesting.

>- DC chaplain only crozius: AP3 and reroll FNP rolls of 1 for every model that has the rule in his unit – 5 meltabombs => quite ok

More than okay imo


So, looks decent. However, the lack of ObSec on their demi-company is very upsetting. I guess with this, Forgeworld models and the Angels of Death supplement we're finally out of the gutter.

>>49314979

>feeding the tyranids a huge chunk of resources
>thinking they won't come back or swarm you later

dumb fucking space elves i thought you were the ones with FORESIGHT

>>49315183
>single mother thinks anybody gives a fuck about what whores think
lol

>>49315214
>Couldn't you assault out of the raiders on turn 1 with this?
they FAQd that units in scouting transports count as making a scout move

>>49315243

oh okay, so turn 2 assault guaranteed if you can survive the assblasting by Tau and Eldar and all the grav out there.

>>49315225
>space elves
>having foresight with nids
remember the Doom of Malan'tai?
The thing was ripper sized when its fleet made planetfall on Malan'tai, so it was pretty much left to its own devices, it ended up literally devouring the craftworld's infinity circuit. Space elves are the worst at farseeing anything with bugs.

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Hi /tg/,
I have two boxes of Devastators that I'm going to build after I finish with my Dreadnought's arms. But I'm not sure what to build

My gut feeling is "2 Grav, 4 Las, 2 Plasma" (and maybe even turn the old box Sarge into another Plasma or Missile). Is this absolutely terrible or should I just go for it?

Also, I'm tempted to pimp out the Sarge with a combi-something purely for looks. Is this a waste of points or a TERRIBLE waste of points?

>>49315308

I wouldn't be surprised if the Hivemind actually obfuscated their ability to divine anything too explicit about the Tyranids besides 'here is a big cloud of FUCK YOU in the warp'.

>>49314708
>death company chaplain
>Same statline
RIP the last chance at getting reclusiarchs back.

>>49315317

That sounds good to me anon, maybe multi-melta if you can take a Skyhammer?

Las/Plas is solid if you don't have enough parts for Grav-cannons though.

>>49315308

Where is that thing even at anyway?

The last time I read, it should still be on Malan'tai somewhere, whose wreckage has been mentioned in two codices now, yet the Doom is oddly absent.

>>49315341

Same as never getting the old Sanguinary priests back. Very upsetting.

>>49315362

Doom is missing because GW has yanked out anything that doesn't have a model. Its amazing they still have Vect running around in the lore and didn't kill him off or retcon him.

>>49315362
Doom went AWOL when Cruddace took over, he managed to escape his fury, but at what cost.

>>49315317
Magnetize all of their arms.

>>49315406

A terrible codex with no updates in sight anywhere.

>>49315428
>only get updates when some army of the imperium does
>usually not even worth purchasing the supplement
>get smashed in the fluff anyways
I think Shield of Baal and Anphelion Project are the only exceptions to the rule of nids existing to inflate the good guys.

>>49314730
>Archangels orbital intervention force (auxiliary)
>3 units of the assault or regular terminators
>Bonus: all units must be put in reserve and roll together. No reroll.
>When the deep strike, regular terminator can fire twice and assault terminator can charge (but count has a disoriented charge).
> NICE !

Blood Angels doing Termies better than Dark Angels. kek

>>49314979
And that's not evil?

>>49314996
>because no human who comes in contact with chaos can be trusted to live

Let's be honest, if they'd taken this approach 10,000 years ago things would be better today

What the fuck is with GW making the bonus for the decurion he exact same as the bonus for its core detachment?

>>49315567
Not from the Eldar point of view. It's like letting animals die so humans can live to them.

>>49315579
They tried. When Eldrad noticed what kind of weapon Fulgrim was carrying, the eldar broke negotiations and attacked the Emperor's Children

>>49315604
Then noone is evil, by their own point of view.

>>49315567

>Blood Angels doing Termies better than Dark Angels. kek

I'd gladly trade this for Ravenwing.

>>49315491

I'll be surprised if they ever get a proper Decurion. And even if they did it'll suck.

>>49315136
thanks

I feel as if rough riders are a under-loved unit that could IF correctly rewritten could lower the number of parking lot guardsmen out there.

Its just that so many of our units are either horribly slow tanks or mass infantry and I feel as if we need a unit to charge and assault with.

and rough riders could be that gap filling unit if it didn't suck so bad like it does now.

>>49313876
Power from pain doesn't stack with other sources, unless the other sources says it stacks

>>49315567
>>49315694
It's no surprise really, apart from a slight drop in points deathwing got nerfed going from 6th-7th. Glad to see at least some terminators getting a bit of love all the same.

>>49315641
>Then noone is evil, by their own point of view
You just figured out how evil works. Good work!
/thread

>>49315758
No true scotsman

Well with blood angels getting this update, I hope my grey knights get one now too.

>>49315780
What the fuck are you on about? That is in no way a no true scotsman. Do you even know what that means?
It's just pointing out that the precedent is that FnP doesn't stack, and that only a very few exceptions do stack.

>>49315886
Well the BA do go ask for Grey Knight aid at the end of Traitor's Hate.

Reminder that Tyranids are the only neutral faction.

>>49315932
Nah, Orks too.

>>49315932
How do you figure