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>>49310657
Meh. I need a good artifact centered golgari card.

>>49310657
can we not have threads of this shit? bad mechanics and useless cards is all we're getting from it.

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Limited fodder

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>>49310699
Well, fuck, I almost thought there was an Animar card there.

Damn it.

Fuuuuuck.

God, I feel so cheated.

>>49310657
>artifact expansion
>hasn't improved artifact decks in any of the real formats(modern/legacy)

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>>49310723
And just in case that fodder wasn't unexciting enough.

>>49310735
They're not going to print another Tangle Wire, son.

>>49310699
STANDARD STAPLE (if artifact decks are good).

>>49310735
Sorry but Standard is the "real" format as far as WoTC goes

>>49310753
Why do I have the feeling that shit like this and Curio Vendor will be in every single booster?

>>49310657
Man, it seems like this guy really wants some equipment, but vehicles probably have completely crowded those out.

>>49310723
>>49310753
It's a new creature type, so they need some commons but why the fuck are they spoiling them in spoiler season and not with the other bulk commons?

>>49310753
God, the card is shit, the flavor text is shit, and the art is confusing.

>>49310773

>Every booster will have unplayable commons in them

...

Yeah?

>>49310735
You get them anon, look forward to opening your very own Kaladesh Invention™ on September 30th!

>>49310727
Artifact creature maybe? Grab your solemn simulacrums, pilgrims eyes ect.

>>49310785
They spoiled them on a non-Magic site to advertise the set to Bioware tumblr landwhales with the whole genderless thing.

>>49310803
I mean unplayable even in a limited environment.

>>49310838
4 cards, and no. I'm playing combo Animar, you know, the one that cycles Eldrazi.

>>49310699
>Helps find your jank modules
I LIKE IT

>>49310865
>combo edh decks
Stop having fun in ways I don't like

>>49310853
It's not unplayable, it's just chaff.

>>49310885
>Stop having fun in ways I don't like
It's okay, I'm playing French. Nobody likes me here ANYWAYS.

>>49310853

It's not though?

It's just a D grade card.

Unless you're very lucky every limited decks runs at least some of those.

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>>49310657
Keeping my hopes up for a decent rogue. Modern Prowl is fun, but it needs a little oomf.

>>49310909
i really wish we had a DC community on /tg/

>>49310657
What I wonder is, where do the Aetherborn get their money from? Like, the creative team claims that since they live so short lives their adamant in living them to their fullest and experience as much as possible, being the main consumers of all the enterntainment on Kaladesh. So where do they get the money to spend on this luxurious lifestyle?

It can't be from criminal activity, because as we see in this card, for example, even when they are criminals they are spenders.

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Wizards could've named these cards Mecha Titans.

>>49310887
>>49310921
How? Even if you get 1 decent card in every 3 picks, you won't need to run stuff like that.

Cards like that are the ones that I started wondering if I should run an extra land instead.

>>49310657
i like this guy, simple and useful.

>>49310785
A part of the spoiler season is there to get people excited about the new limited format, and part of that is showing off solid commons.

Why they decided to show off these two however I don't really know.

>>49310657
Lifelink on a 1 power creature seems pretty pointless

>>49311082
My guess is that they'll easily do those high paying jobs other races might find squeamish I guess. Undertkers? Garbagemen? The people that mainatin those glorious sewers so that people don't have to shit in the streets anymore? Aetherborn. Then they consume like maniacs.

>>49311082
Kaladesh Social Security for unfortunate nig..Aetherborns.

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>>49310657
Watc- OMFG we can print money!!!!!

>>49311130
the 4 toughness means he's there to be an aggrivating blocker. he stops one small guy abd slows a second dude's offense just because lifegain. and if it's just weenies he effectively blocks two 1 power guys at a time.

>>49311082
>>49311142
>>49311168
They explained this; since aetherborn live so sort lives; when one dies he passes all his stuff on to the newly spawned aetherborn

When will wizards stop giving red shitty "your opponent's chooses" mechanics? They're not fun, and they're not good. For them to be good, both effects need to be either crazy good, or similar enough that the choice doesn't matter.

>>49311130
It slows down the clock when your opponent is swinging with multiple guys. When you're thinking about swinging into that guy with a pair of 2/2s at the prerelease you'll understand why that's good. I'm pissed that thing only costs 2, Kaladesh confirmed for garbage slow format.

>>49311092
And they decided to go with Gearhulk? Godamn, wizards.

>>49311194
But where did the first one get his stuff from?

>>49311194
I liked >>49311142 's idea better.

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This the new Vines of the Vastwood?

>>49310723
Flavor is off here;

this guy is a shady dealer so he should be selling you something, ie the card gives you shit; this guy gives you stuff when he dies; thats the flavor of graverobbing or to stay on theme the whole Aetherborn inheritance thing. He dies, passes on wealth.

>>49311196
They just needed to change the top 3 to top4 or 5, this way it would be either a draw 3 or somewhere around 8 to the face.

>>49310753
don't these guys only live one day? Why would one of them be a bouncer? That makes zero sense

>>49311194
That doesn't explain how he has anything left to pass on. Millennial economists ladies and gentlemen.

>>49311221
nice, infect and zoo really needed more toys

>>49311237
months to years
>>49310786
why is falvor text bas

also i agree, I guess he is standing inf ront of a door but I cant tell where it is

>>49311221
No, Vines can be used aggresively.

>>49311232
The pointer is to use the cards you'd mill.
Think Daretti, Feldon, or Trading Post.

>>49311211
well depending on how long they've been around, it could've been a case of "my great great grandaether worked every day of their life in the aethermines"

>>49311211
WOTC is run by old men, what are you talking about.
>>49311211
they didnt say

>>49311237
He likes to hit drunk patrons

>>49311274
That doesn't seem very Aetherborny. Neither does it seem very black to toil away so that someone other than you can have a good time.

>>49311262
>pay 2 mana for +4/+4
>pay 1 mana for +2/+2
Anon, half the mana for more than half the effect is the very definition of aggro.

>>49311262
The important part of this new spell is it gets around Spellskite. It is a better Ranger's Guile.

>>49311319
He meant it can be used to counter your opponent's spells. That's huge in the infect mirror.

>>49311319
There is a pretty big difference between +4/+4 and +2/+2 though. Like, It's definetly more than twice as good.

>>49311221
Fascinating, green gets better draw AND counterspells than blue.

>>49311221
>let's make modern infect even better

>>49311221
Now green gets better counterspells than blue
Really tired of this fucking shit design from Wizards

>>49311271
I know that you can get more value from it, but unless you run some weird deck that wants to throw stuff in the grave and has some way to flick gearhulk, he is still bad, since you will probably throw a land and 2 random other cards.

>>49311319
You need to understand that you giving your opponent's creature hexproof can do some funky shit.

>>49311288
The Orzhov sort of do it. You might be free of debt to the guild and a pretty decent member because your grandad signed up, then worked himself to the bone, and then some for you.

>>49311288
no, but the idea amused me enough. it's more likely that petty crime built up over generations to the syndicate gonti is in charge of, maybe some fatalistic employment opportunities to kickstart funds "yeah sure i'll drive your experimental rocket car for a thousand notruples, sounds fun"

>>49311276
Flavor is shit. Confirmed.

>>49310921
A 3 mana 3/4 is above the curve for black.

>>49311384
The Orzhov do it because they are WB. They view the family (i.e. the guild) as an extension of themselves. They have black outlook on a white structure.

>>49311348
Blossoms gives Hexproof

>>49311354
twice as good for twice the mana. It's a fair trade for an agro deck.

>>49311380
>you give the creature hexproof in infect mirror matchups so that they can't buff their own creature
I can dig it

>>49311336
>It is a better Ranger's Guile.
Yes, but Ranger's Guile is a bad card so that's not relevant. This card misses the mark in infect, but considering the price of Might of Old Krosa it's a reasonable budget option for someone who's working on the full deck.

>>49311362
As it should be.

>>49311362
>>49311370

Shouldn't you be in the Modern general bitching about how control isn't the best deck in the format?

>>49311410
>3 mana
RTFC

>>49311380
it actually can't. it's giving it not-hexproof that gets weird.

>>49311410
>3 mana 3/4
>3 mana
Anon...

>>49311410
It's 4 mana

>>49311421
>twice as good for twice the mana
No. Learn to read. +4 from a single card isn't twice as good as +2. It's significantly better than that.

>>49310657
>>49311082
>>49311395
>>49311452

>/tg/: economics general

>>49311380
Namely it turns off your removal. You understand they can still target the creature, right?

>>49311410
It's a 4 mana 3/4. It's kind of bad, but not utterly unplayable in limited.

>>49311380
If you give hexproof to a creature an opponent control you won't be able to target it, because hexproof doesn't care about who played it, just who is the opponent of the controller of the creature. Vines of vastwood works because of how it's worded.

>>49311421
>Blossoms gives Hexproof
Everyone can read anon. Now have you ever read or know what Vines can do to your opponent's creature?

>>49311433
>>49311438
>>49311443
Fuck, typo. A FOUR mana 3/4 is above the curve for black.

>>49311451
Infect is an aggro deck, anon. They're fine for paying half the mana for half the card, since that's the whole point.

>>49311496
No.

>>49311488
Vines was made before hexproof keyword hence the weird wording iirc

>>49311380
Vines does not gives Hexproof.

>>49311319
You forgot the inherent cost of losing a card in your hand. Burn would love a spell that was "RR: Deal 5 damage", it is just 2,5 damage per mana instead of 3, but you only lose 1 card in the process.

>>49311362

Don't you have a game to lose with your draw go?

>>49311523
Yes, it is one those things that makes Armadillo Cloak better than Unflinching Courage. Lifelink does not stack, but armadillo lifegain effect stacks.

>>49311421
>Blossoms gives Hexproof
Yes and that's not relevant to my post.

>>49311421
>you give the creature hexproof in infect mirror matchups so that they can't buff their own creature
Yes they can. Hexproof cares about who controls the creature, not the spell giving hexproof. I swear this new card is "target creature you control" just so idiots like you don't embarrass yourself in front of judges.

>>49311432
Well, green is now the color of ramp, efficient big creatures, combat tricks, card advantage, counterspells, +1/+1 counters, efficient weenies, non-creature permanent destruction and more.

All it lacks is creature removal.

>>49311565
They're talking about Vines, which technically doesn't give hexproof but does work the way they described.

No idea why the hell they're calling it hexproof since that'll just confuse people, but there you go.

>>49311576
there are fight spells, and destroy creature with flying cards.

>>49311523
That's also the reason they haven't errata'ed it to say hexproof.

>>49311576
Plummet and Fight

>>49311532
Burn and Infect are very different beasts, anon. Infect is absolutely fine with the inherent cost of losing a card.

>>49311565
>I swear this new card is "target creature you control"
Fuck never mind then. Didn't see that.
Never mind, this card's gonna do nothing. Dammit

>>49311591
>>49311587
All right, I'll correct myself:

Non-conditional creature removal.

>>49311576
Rabid Bite and Clear Shot do direct damage... Moonlight Hunt too, but that's tribal so it arguably doesn't count.

>>49311561
>>49311589
so vines is simply a special case. Doesn't mean that +2/+2 and hexproof isn't good, but it sure isn't half of it, since Vines are more versatile.
Is a +2/+2 pump good enough for modern Infect?

>>49311109
This.

The card seems VERY good in limited if UB artifacts is a thing, which probably will be if everyones playing artifacts.

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>>49311633
>Is a +2/+2 pump good enough for modern Infect?
If it's free.

>>49311603
>Never mind, this card's gonna do nothing. Dammit
Don't just drop the mic and leave, you need to read the hexproof reminder text, then read Ranger's Guile, and understand why Ranger's Guile does not counter your opponent's Rancor.

>>49311565
>this new card is "target creature you control"
I really hope it's not so these idiots who think it can do what Vines can do gets buttfucked.

>>49311603
>Infect is absolutely fine with the inherent cost of losing a card
No we are not. Infect loses games because they were missing a couple damage, and we had no more cards in hand. And mana is less of a problem compared to burn, since we run mana dorks.

>>49311633
>Is a +2/+2 pump good enough for modern Infect?
Yes. Burn needs to count to 20, infect only needs to count to 10, so having a few of its spells be smaller is fine, especially since it has two +4 for one mana pumps

>>49311603
>Never mind, this card's gonna do nothing
It wasn't gonna do what you think it was gonna do regardless.

>>49311679
>I really hope it's not
Well, here's a thought:
Now, hear me out on this, but what if you scrolled up and actually read the card?

>>49311657
phyrexian mana was a mistake.

>>49311271
None of which are in standard? The blue Gearhulk is the only other one that relies on other stuff in your deck to be useful, and it's not too hard to include instants in your blue deck. The red one is bad if you don't build your deck for it, and even then highly subject to variance.

>>49311702
Well, here's a thought: How about you read the rules on hexproof?

>>49311679
It saves them. I wish it punished them, that would be a great learning moment.

>I pump my guy
>I counter with Blossoming Defense
>Opponent's guy is not a legal target so depending on REL it's a take back or he has to target one of his guys

>>49311723
You're a mistake

>>49311702
not him, but after reading: flavor is shit. What happened to a flavor that kept yo guessing,, or offered actual insight? "some peole say that if you x hen y" is so lazy design.

>>49311238

you not seen Brewster's Millions? If they don't know how long they last it's reasonable to assume there would be at least a pittance left over

>>49311734
Sadly, illegal targets always results in takebacks. You're not forced to use it on your own creatures.

>>49311785
Competitive or professional REL forces you to choose legal modes/targets when you try to do something illegal. Protip: never target yourself with Esper Charm.

>>49311657
The great thing is for deaths shadow this is a +4 +4 pump. Isn't phyrexian mana the best thing ever ? :^)

>>49311496
OG Juzám Djinn would like a word with you.

>>49311723
I came here to post >>49311742

>>49311785
>>49311734
What? I must be missing something, because spells with all targets becoming illegal after being cast are considered countered. It is only take back if the target was illegal to begin with.

>>49311854
>Protip: never target yourself with Esper Charm.
they really make you go through with that? Glorious

>>49311854
No. In the Esper Charm case, the target isn't illegal. In this case, it is.

>>49311875
>check out that card
>the first NM juzám djinn is at 460€

Reserved list strikes again.

>>49311854
The Esper Charm case isn't because the target is illegal. It's because the only mode that targets players on it is the discard mode, so saying 'casting Esper Charm, targeting myself' can only mean that you have choosen the discard mode and targeted yourself.

>>49311908
We ARE currently discussing about targeting opponent's creature with Blossoming Defense, so yes we are discussing about illegal targets to begin with.

>>49311908
Yes the spell is countered if the target becomes illegal as long as the original spell is on the stack first. You have to remember /tg/ is shit Magic.

>>49311945
Big Daddy Abyssal Persecutor got yo back senpai.

>>49311908
>Legal target becomes illegal after cast
Spell is countered

>Try to Doom Blade Thrun
Take back at regular REL, forced to choose a legal target at competitive or professional

This is why removing "you control" from Defenses would have a nice little Darwin effect because all the people who don't know how hexproof works would pump their opponents' creatures for them instead of getting bailed out by R&D.

>>49311974
If you used it as a counter, it only became illegal after the opponent played his pump. Which means it wasn't illegal to begin with.

>>49312025
You can't use it to counter your opponent's pump spells.

>>49312009
>Take back at regular REL, forced to choose a legal target at competitive or professional
Nope, illegal target means a takeback.
Try asking this on the judge guy's regular thread when it pops out.

>>49311997
>You have to remember /tg/ is shit Magic.
More like shit at reading, there are at least three arguments going on ITT between people that agree with each other.

>>49312025
Read the card and for the love of fucking god, read the rules on hexproof.

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>>49310753
>Have like a year to live as a ghost-aether thing
>Spend it being a bouncer

>>49312063
I know, the new pump spell only targets creatures you control.

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>>49310657
Anybody else trying to work out all the archetypes? Is the UB archetype for Kaladesh really just "artifacts"?

With cards like Fortuitous Find, Ovalchase Daredevil, and Underhanded Designs, I guess it fits. In U, there's Saheeli's Artistry, Glint-Nest Crane (will also be favored by flicker), and Shrewd Negotiation, it looks like it will be. I'm a little disappointed; doing an "artifact" theme in an artifact-themed block seems pretty redundant.
I should probably reserve judgment until they spoil the rest of the set, though.

My guesses so far, with the cards I suspect indicate trends.
>W/U: Flicker.
Cards: Cloudblazer, "Aerial Gatherer," Wispweaver Angel, Aetherstorm Roc. Fabricate cards, too. This one's a lock.
>W/B: Lifegain/link.
Cards: Kambal, Aerial Responder, Essence Extraction, Underhanded Designs. Pretty sure about this one by now.
>W/G: Tokens, most likely, supported by Fabricate.
Cards: Angel of Invention, Master Trinketeer, Cultivator of Blades, other Fabricate cards in those colors.
>W/R: Dwarf Vehicles.
Cards: Depali, Speedway Fanatic, Start Your Engines, "Toolshaper Paradigm" possibly.
>U/B: Artifacts?
See above.
>U/G: I have no idea.

>U/R: Artifacts? Can we have two of those?

>B/G, tentative guess: +1/+1 counters, now that they've spoiled Lawless Broker. Could also just be Aristocrats.
Cards: Lawless Broker, Armorcraft Judge, Cultivator of Blades, Morbid Curiosity (if Aristocrats)
>B/R: Artifacts and sacrificing them for value.
Cards: Unlicensed Disintegration, Welding Sparks, Incendiary Sabotage, Pia Nalaar.
>R/G: Energetic beats.
Cards: Voltaic Brawler, Architect of the Untamed, Lathnu Hellion, Harnessed Lightning, Longtusk Cub.

>>49312059
>>49312082
Fuck, now I understood, you guys meant someone at a competitive tournament targeting his opponent creature with blossoming defense.

>>49310753
>That dialogue
Holy fuck it's time to play Morrowind again. Does anybody have the random character roll sheet?

>>49312125
Yes. Not that'd you'd want to do that even if you could.

>>49312082
>rules of hexproof
It has nothing to do with hexproof, it isn't illegal target because of hexproof. It is perfectly legal to give hexproof to a creature an opponent control.

>>49312145
Yes. You can give hexproof to an opponent's creature, but it only stops you from targeting that creature.

>>49312136
"Have you heard of the Aetherborn?"

>>49311142
DALITS CONFIRMED

>>49312145
>It is perfectly legal to give hexproof to a creature an opponent control.
well, duh.

>>49312003
Plague Sliver more like

>>49312025
>Opponent casts Rancor his Mon's Goblin Raiders
>Cast Ray of Command
>After gaining control of the creature cast Blossoming Defense
We did it!

>After Blossoming Defense resolves cast Quicken and Harmless Offering to give it back
>Opponent controls a hexproof Mon's Goblin Raiders and still has Rancor on the stack
>Rancor resolves
>Swing for 5
Oops.

>>49312168
>>49312175
Yeah, I was explaining to him, since he apparently thought that something in hexproof rulings would make the target illegal.

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>Lets just make sure that all other cards in this set are worthless senpai
>pic related
>Say no more senpai
Great marketing by Wizards

Do you think R&D will ever use target creature you own outside of "wish" affects??

>>49312204
No. He was saying that the reason the card says 'target creature you control' is so that people who think it works like Vines won't try to counter their opponent's pump spells with it.

>>49312191
I suppose, if you want something more directly comparable. I've always felt Percy was superior to djin but I guess it all comes down to the deck you jam it in.

>>49312230
Some of the old charms affected creatures you own IIRC.

>>49312218
MtG finance is the worst thing ever to happen to MtG. I'm glad they ensured the Standard cards will be printed into oblivion while stores and rich people buy the set by the gallon.

>>49312093
Some people like beating up stupid retards and getting a cut off the drugs the club sells.

>>49310636
how do you become a kingpin if you live so short?

>>49312204
For you, i will say read the post i was replying to.
There's 2 mistakes in there and that's why i said 'read the fucking card' and 'read what hexproof do'.

>>49312294
Can't some suck the life out of other thing to prolong themselves?

>>49312294
Inheritance.

>>49312294
When everyone else goes poof in about a year the 15 month old gets to run Bartertown

>>49311731
Read the card you idiot

>>49310657
>random lifelink when it has nothing to do with the concept

I hate cards like this.

>>49312348
>1/4

It's a Control card.

>>49312294
see >>49312306, the guy got gud at stealing shit, including life essence, so he's probably much older and cleverer than the other Aetherborns.

You know, the fact that they can steal life essence like that is pretty interesting. Do you think that, provided a steady stream of life essence (extracted from, say, people who owe money to your criminal enterprise and default on their debts), Aetherborn would be able to live even longer than regular humans? It'd make them into kind of shadowy vampires but it'd work. Could explain how some of them seem to make it into pretty high places despite their supposedly ephemeral lifespans.

>>49312104
UB seems to be grindy artifacts. underhanded designs and daredevil for wincons, fortuitous find, morbid curiosity, contraband kingpin, cranes for cards, aether tradewinds for added value.

>>49312348
It's black. Black gets lifeline whenever, so it doesn't need a reason,any more than blue needs a reason for the card to have flying.

>>49310657
WHERE ARE MY 0 DROP ARTIFACTS WIZARDS? WE'RE ARE MY ONE DROPS THAT AREN'T CREATURE DILDOS?

>>49312374

I mean the concept of the card. It's a contraband salesman. Why the fuck would he drain life? Makes no god damn sense.

>>49312348
Aetherborn can steal essence/lifeforce from people, seems pretty fitting to me

>>49312420
>any more than blue needs a reason for the card to have flying.

Blue god damn well needs to excuse Flying with the concept. You can't just make a Turtle or Octopus and have it randomly have flying.

>>49312426
Too oppressive for standard.

>>49312426
I could see Ornithopter happening. It can't crew a vehicle so it should be fine.
The only strike against it in Kaladesh is that it isn't a vehicle itself.

Ornithoper printed as Masterpiece. JUST YOU WAIT!

>>49312429
How do you think he became kingpin with such a short life span?

>>49312386
only if they never run into diminishing returns on the life stealing. it seems to be a mostly offhand flavor feature so either not enough if them ever manage to do it for it to be important, or it's not sustainable enough for aetherborn to just live by eating people's souls indefintely. you have to think that the 30 year old aetherborn would start raising some eyebrows anyway.

>>49312386
>It'd make them into kind of shadowy vampires but it'd work.
or literally Orzhov.

>>49312374
This.

There had better be some aggro as fuck creatures in this set, there are a ton of cheap x/3 and x/4 blockers and the set isn't even 50% revealed yet...

Anyone got guesses on Masterpieces while we wait? Think the swords will be mixed in?

Darksteel relic, ornithopter, memnite. Any other masterpieces that will make you cry?

>>49312447
No, but it's a humanoid.
Have it hovering of the ground or magic wings, suddenly flying because why not.

Lifeline doesn't have a visual cue, so it can be stuck on anything.
Si can vigilance for white, haste for red, trample for green. Sometimes you see a thing in the flavor or art, but not always.

>>49312464
That would be the funniest shit on the planet and I would buy seven boxes.

>>49312464
I love the masterpiece frame. They could print Razor Boomerang in that frame and I'd suck it down like a filthy slut.

>>49312512
>memeite
just reprinted in FtV Lore, won't be reprinted like this desu

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>>49312447
>You can't just make a Turtle or Octopus and have it randomly have flying.
well, I mean, you could

>>49312535
Nice "accident" there. Good removal for token decks?

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>>49312511
Sol Ring
Ornithopter
random Swords
Mox Opal

>>49312496
Orzhov die and live on as spirit kingpins. Also they use the trappings of a church.
So some difference

>>49312511
M O X
P
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>>49312535
HAHA TIME FOR W/B TOKEN BULLSHIT

>>49312396
Sounds about right.

I'm mostly surprised that we haven't seen much to suggest U/R yet, despite the fact that they got the first reveal, Saheeli. I hope it's not just another "instants and sorceries" thing with Saheeli just intended to work as goodstuff. That would be lame.

>>49312485
Sure, but we already know that Kaladesh's government is corrupt and that Gotti and Kambal are apparently in cahoots to some degree.

>>49312496
Aside from being organized crime syndicates, not exactly. Orzhov didn't steal "life essence," they held your ghost to indentured servitude. There are similarities but definitely wouldn't call them "literally the same."

>>49312540

That was MEMNARCH. He is the king of memnites

>>49312429
Lifepoints in Magic sometimes represent other resources. See for example Orzhov and Extort.

>>49312277
Just because it's been printed doesn't mean it's going to be opened.

>>49312535
hahaha, my jank BG module deck got more toys.

>>49312560
M O X
M P A L

>>49312429
That's because aetherborn can steal life force, at least some of them.

>>49311034
Well, maybe I'll start doing some kind of tentative post about it tomorrow, explaing the how and whys, but I fully expect it to be either devoid of anybody or trolled to oblivion by people who play other formats (including multiplayer EDH).

>>49312599
D I D I
U
T
T
E
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>>49312595
>cryptolith out
>tap 5 servos, cast that
>sacrifice those 5 servos, clear your opponent field
This is going to be awesome.

>>49312535
>Oh shit dog my decorative letter opener went though your arm!
>It won't come out let me wiggle it about with a two-handed grip!
>I'll just have to push it all the way though hang on buddy!
>Oh no! Now it's in your leg!

>>49312535
Fuck, that card art is painful

>>49312535
>4B
Heeeehhhhhhhhh

>>49312657
There is a Malifaix story line that has something like this.
Only it's sad and horrific rather than funny.

>>49312535
How to you "accidentally" stab a guy in both his arms?

>>49312730
"Accidentally".

>>49312535
Love the flavor but total mechanic disconect

>>49312730
It's your own arm holding his arm. You are stabbing borh your hand and his arm.

>>49312730
no the guy stabbed himself through his hand and also this other guy's wrist. the glove holding the shiv matches the glove being stabbed.

>>49312730
""""""""accidentally""""""""

>>49312535
How is he getting through that bracer thing, though? Christ, that must be a sharp knife or a shitty bracer.

>>49312730
It happens you know. Just a happy little accident.

>>49312743
>total mechanic disconect
You'll probably sac 1/1 thopters or servos a lot for this card, which fits with "accidents" arranged by inventors.

>>49312764
it might just be decorative. leather or something not actually that hard to punch through with a strong stab.

>>49312531
I know,it's like they are so mythic the set symbol tool over the whole card

>>49312764
It almost looks like it's going through the slit in the middle. Otherwise, maybe it's just leather which you can definitely stab through.

>>49312535
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>49310753
>Sir, how would you like your Aethercut?

JUST

>>49312535
Donating blood plasma in Kaladesh. Not even once.

>>49312786
I would love it if the art was a bunch of servos crashing into some hangars. Fits the cardname more.

>>49312535
all of the black spells this set so far have been pretty subdued for black

sort of nice to see them going back to just shanking people

>>49312870
Decent possibility that the mechanics got tweaked after they commissioned the art.

Quite a few weird cards can actually be explained this way.

>>49312870
true, that would be rad.

>>49312905
Feels pretty lackluster. Black in general I mean. The gearhulk is nice but I'm still waiting for a card that let's me shank a player.

>>49312906
The art would be good on a burn card that hits you and an opponent

>>49312948
I dunno, I've never cared about black a whole lot but its nice to see them have cards that aren't evil for once.

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>>49312948
seems like this set just wants black to be a prick.

White>Black>=Blue>Green>Red

Objective Gearhulk ranking.

>>49313042
IT'S JUST A PRANK BRAH

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>>49313042
Decent. I like it.

>>49313032
Yeah, I really love the Live Free/Die Hard card pair. Very flavorful
Yes I know it's Live Fast Die Young

>>49313066
Wew lad you've got some pretty awful opinions there.

White's the best but pretty much everything else in that list is bad.

>>49313066
5CMC for 8/8 trample is fourth place?

Are you being serious?

>>49311189

isn't that just a caged sun for 1 less mana

>>49313115
It effects everything not just things you control, it is also a much more expensive card which has not been reprinted for a long time.

>>49313115
Yea I thought so to, but caged sun is only your stuff.

Gauntlet of power is everyone's

>>49313084
This just in: Wolfir Silverheart saw next to no play and it does something extremely similar. It even lived in a Standard format full of 1/1 flying spirits to give +4/+4 to. The green Gearhulk is the worst although the red one isn't too far ahead of it.

Who hype for the bling as fuck sol ring in an hour?

Do you think the art will be good enough to eclipse the current art?

>>49313147

Wolfir Silverheart lived in a much more high powered meta.

>>49313147
This is better since the +4/+4 persists after it leaves the battlefield so spot removal isn't as good, also that was a much higher power level standard than this is likely to be.

>>49313084
Well, the others have a clause that doesn't die to removal, so they're automatically better in a vacuum. Because of course if there's a deck featuring massive tokenspam/blinking while being removal proof or such, it could be the one that is played.

>>49313147
it also didn't have trample, the most relevant ability a green creature can have

just admit you're bad at the game and move on

>>49313132
>it is also a much more expensive card
Hah. Come at me September rent.

>>49313147
Wolfir Silverheart was useless alone, the gearhulk isn't.

>>49313147

It doesn't need another creature to get the full 8/8

It has Trample

If it gives it's power to other creatures it won't go away if it dies.

Etc.

Etc.

>>49313084
>8/8 for five that does literally nothing else and sucks down creature or artifact removal
>4/4 that spreads around counters
there is no point on the continuum between those two that's incredibly impressive. i'd say it's the worst if there were any real deck that wanted the red one.

>>49313147
This just in: Wolfir Silverheart existed in Scars-Innistrad and Innistrad-Ravnica.
These are two standards that were complex and nuanced, that were more than just everyone-plays-midrange.

Midrange will continue to rule in Kaladesh, allowing cards like nu-Silverheart to thrive.

>>49310657
At least it's not mill.

>>49313274
We haven't had UB mill in a while.

>>49313308
Last one that comes to mind is the UB Theros god.

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>>49313325
>Theros was three years ago

>>49312639
>dutter
I know this was intentional but that made me chuckle.

>>49313308
>>49313274
you can't print a mill theme after the last expansions with all that graveyard love.
well you could if you were removing those cards instead of putting them to the graveyard.

>>49312639
yes, after every single letter.

>>49313359
>mfw the last time I've played standard/modern was during RtR
This break is longer than I expected.

>>49313550
Happens. Ten years ago or so, probably more by now actually, I stopped playing constructed entirely and, apart from the occassional draft, have essentially only played built and played Cube, but now I haven't even bothered to update it for at least a year.

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>>49311221
>inb4 but it's an uncommon

This shit still makes me salty.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/masterpiece-series-kaladesh-inventions-2016-09-12

Inventions are posted.

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BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE

>>49314250
The Gearhulks
Aether Vial
Champion's Helm
Chromatic Lantern
Chrome Mox
Cloudstone Curio
Crucible of Worlds
Gauntlet of Power
Hangarback Walker
Lightning Greaves
Lotus Petal
Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Mind's Eye
Mox Opal
Painter's Servant
Rings of Brighthearth
Scroll Rack
Sculpting Steel
Sol Ring
Solemn Simulacrum
Static Orb
Steel Overseer
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow

>>49314250
>Mox
neat

>>49314250
>>49314269
>Only three of the swords

Guess it's obvious what two of the Aether Revolt masterpieces are.

>>49314272
Chrome and opal

>>49314283
Yeah that seems very likely, they also look really good, I look forward to losing a draft horribly to my opponent getting them.

>>49311366
Infect doesn't want this.

Vines is strictly better because you can make your opponents creatures untargettable by their spells and +2/+2 is not worth a slot, even for hexproof

>>49314320
The odds of your opponent having any Sword in his deck is approximately 1 in 70 drafts

>>49314251
So are the masterpieces the 'treasures' of the set where they aren't standaRd legal and are in 1 of 100 packs?

The aetherborn don't make any sense. Why would they be allowed to live?

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>>49314320
Fight fire and ice with fire and ice.

>>49314533
#Aetherbornlivesmatter

>>49314533
Because murder is bad?

>>49314250
The swords look meh. everything else looks pretty nice tho I prefer original mox opal and crucible. would love to have a steel overseer for affinity tho, I like the borders.

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>>49314533
These are the kind of questions that form the name of the next set.

>>49314502
Yes, correct.

>>49314533
GAS THE 'BORNS SPECIES WAR NOW

>>49314563
Murder only applies to people and aetherborn are not people.

>>49314649
This is exactly why they're a revolt going on.

>>49314649
Are dwarves not people then? What bout elves? What about vedalkin?

>>49314561
wew

>>49314649
>>49314681
AETHER IS PEOPLE YOU GUYS
AAEETHER IS PEEEOPLEEEE!

>>49310847
>The genderless creature type doesn't have morals and are worse people than the Orzhov.
I can already taste the tears.

>>49314697
THAT'S LIKE SAYING MEMNITE IS PEOPLE

>>49314729
It's fine, the target audience doesn't have morals either.

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>>49314649

>>49312535
Why is he stabbing through his own hand to stab someone in the forearm

>>49314764
To make it look like an accident.

Also, his hand is a creature.

>>49314272
Is it just me or is it actually weird that they put the Metalcraft ability word on it. Like, if they had just reprinted it normally it wouldn't have been there unless Metalcraft returned on more cards.

>>49314649
>>49314533
Kaladesh is designed from the ground-up to be very whimsical and light.

Instead of science being used to drive an even larger barrier between the rich and the poor, science is used to give everyone a chance to prosper.
Instead of city life being a miserable existence of being a cog in a machine a little more, anyone that lives in Ghirapur has the chance to express themselves and shine.
Instead of technology using coal and producing smog, the inventions of Kaladesh use the Aether and produce the Aetherborn.

They didn't ask the question of 'wait, how would this develop.' That isn't how MtG lore works. They think of an interesting idea, go 'ooh, that's cool' and they make it happen without thought for the logic behind it. Kaladesh is a wonderful, enlightened place because Kaladesh is a wonderful, enlightened place. It's just another part of the theme.

Although now I think about it, it could be a subliminal affect of the Aether on all life that's developed there.

>need aether vial
>they reprint it
>it's probably going to do nothing to prices

T..thanks for making old cards available......

>>49314800
It's just you.

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>>49314250
>The dwarves gave there gearhulk dwarf proportions

although I wouldn't rate them high, we already say a Cataclysmic Gearhulk and this one does the same thing, they just made it prettier and 18 times rarer no way they win the fair.

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>>49314818
Bitch you do know what happens next set right?

>>49314831
It's so you can trade all of the awesome new Gearhulks (tm) for it more easily, didn't you realize? Besides, it's not legal in Standard, you only need one:^)

>>49314831
"""available"""
It's about one Masterseries card in every fuck-you th pack.

>>49312554
>>49312562
>4B
I don't think so chief.

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>>49314729
>>49310847
>Magic will never be allowed to print Archons, Avatars, Constructs, Drones, Dryads, Elementals, Faeries, Illusions, Incarnations, Scarecrows, Shades, Skeletons, Spirits, Treefolks, Weirds, Wraiths, or Zubera ever again because stormfaggots won't stop fucking crowing sapient nongendered beings
I fucking hate you faggots. You're as bad as any of them.

>>49314818
I'm tempted to call this bait but that would be being optimistic

>>49314857
The Revolt likely has more to do with the Aether smugglers overthrowing the Consortium than the Aetherborn.

When asked how the people on Kaladesh view the Aetherborn at PAX Wizards essentially said that everyone loves them and think they're great to be around.

>>49314857
Unless something happens that makes the whole Kaladeshi lifestyle look awful (after they have spent this entire spoiler season trying to make it look as wonderful as possible) then it'll just come off as Chandra being the asshole villain wrecking shit for no good reason.

And I'm not talking about a few vague fiction articles either. I mean, they will need to perform a drastic case of mood whiplash to make Kaladesh not seem like a utopian paradise.

>>49314533
Because they're still a net positive existence being a free flow of currency and a constant shifting consumerbase. A few of them being evil assholes doesn't mean they should all die, I mean we have an obviously evil human government official, should the elves, dwarves, and Vedalken gas all the humans too?

Besides, the aetherborn literally come into existence when aether is refined. How are you going to kill something that basically comes into existence every time someone turns on their car? That's a war you don't win.

>>49314877
it more or less functions like a targeted wrath so token decks might well run it.

>>49314901
What? The Industrial Revolution was a fucking shit time to live in unless you were an aristocrat.

Kaladesh is just:
>What if the Industrial Revolution was lovely and shiny and wonderful, with fancy Indian paint!

>>49314859
O..oh.. I see. for real tho, I need four for merfolk and this isn't the reprint people need.
>>49314871
It was sarcasm anon, this is a fuck you to people who want reprints because they want the card prices to go down.

>>49314968
I thought kaladesh was indian colonialism meets steam punk minus the actual colonialism

>>49314995
Kaladesh is aetherpunk (which is just steampunk but in a Magic way). The Indian window dressing is just that; window dressing.

>>49314995
And steampunk is just 'what if it was the Industrial Revolution, except with steam engines being able to do ANYTHING?'

>>49314818
>>49314968
It is literally an inventor's fair, the kind of shit that was all the rage during Europe's age of industrialization. There are probably plenty of people who just feel like machines, but no one gives a shit, we're focusing on Tesla, Edison, Carnegie, and Ford featuring Gonti as Al Capone, not Joe Millworker.
Shit, that's probably what the revolt is about with all the good stuff being hoarded by the rich and their fair while the poor like Chandra's mom and friends living in poor squalor.

Or Bolas. Bolas being behind the fair is always a possibility.

>>49314968
Did you respond to the wrong person?

Also, we already know that Kaladesh is about to get a revolt next set. This set is the propaganda of what Randians think the Industrial Revolution looked like, not reality.

>>49315034
>Shit, that's probably what the revolt is about with all the good stuff being hoarded by the rich
Except that hasn't been hinted at at all. What has been hinted--nay, outright stated--is that Kaladesh is ruled by a buerocratic government that heavily restricts and regulates the people's access to aether with many inventors having to hire smugglers to get their hands on it.

>>49315034
I believe it when we see an ounce of characterization that hints at that.

So far, there hasn't even be a hint of it, besides Ghirapur being a bit of a police state.

>>49315074
I'll believe that too.
The point is the guy I was responding to was whining about nothing.

>>49314845
>The dwarves build a world-destroying robot
>They didn't actually build it themselves
>It suddenly spawned from someplace far beyond the reaches of reality
>Through the constant grinding, the gearhulk whispers
>Whispers of a name
>Numidium

>>49315101
It's not whining, it's a genuine statement to the people that are saying that Aetherborn shouldn't live.

Aetherborn are treated as upstanding citizens and equals because Kaladesh is a wonderful, nice place. In a standard not-even-grimdark setting, they'd be enslaved or ground up into more Aether.

>>49315133
>In a standard not-even-grimdark setting, they'd be enslaved or ground up into more Aether.
How are you going to grind up and ring more aether out of a byproduct of refining it? That's like saying you can get more gasoline by catching it out of the smog produced by a car.

Enslaved is even less likely, because they're more of them than there are of you, a lot more. And the have no real sense of "I could die." because their lives are already so short. And that's if killing them the normal way even works.

You are literally saying that "logically" Kaladesh would be able to refine a waste product or enslave a race as strong as them, minimum, that could quickly outnumber them because they make more of whenever anyone on Kaladesh turns on anything.

That can suck the life out of them at that.

>>49313147
Wolfir Silverheart lived in a meta where there were good cards, which are in awful short supply in today's Standard.

>>49314909
Nothing can stop them Anon, anti-authoritarianism will forever be the hero of the story.

>>49314901
People cared about genderless beings not because of their lack of gender, but because they provided something to mtg in the form of mechanics and/or lore that didn't involve parading their agenderness.
However, I am apathetic about whether or not Wizards is trying to kiss up to social justice fanatics, and I would rather that /pol/ fucked off since, like tumblrites, they only care about bullshitted identity politics and probably don't care about mtg enough to even go full miser and proxy a deck for play.

Also a nitpick but skeletons have a sex (check the pelvis-to-body ratio) and most humanoid spirits are gendered.

>>49315133
>In a standard not-even-grimdark setting, they'd be enslaved or ground up into more Aether.
You seem to have a fucked up definition of the words 'standard' and 'grimdark'.
Grinding up living thinking beings for fuel is pretty much where you know the setting's gone grimdark.

>>49315422
>they only care about bullshitted identity politics
Identity politics in general is the most retarded thing that actually is a thing right now.

>>49314250
I like the implication that Tezzeret brought the Mox Opal over from Mirrodin.

The art on those Masterpieces look fantastic

Too bad they're gonna cost an arm and a leg to get

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>>49315734
>The art on those Masterpieces look fantastic
It's blatant use of orange and blue to catch the eye in the most mindless way possible. You tend to see it from bad developers who desperately want their shit to look good.

>>49315793
Show me on the doll where videogames touched you.

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>>49315793
>implying you wouldn't want to wear these fine greaves

>>49315793
They are in theme with the borders, which is what makes them look so great.

>>49315793
>I hate everything because I'm so smart *grumble*grumble*

>>49315874
>finally open a pack with a masterpiece in it
>could be a mox, could be a vault, or fire and ice
>pull this instead
I would be so butthurt that it would be visibly noticeable

>>49315876
They shouldn't have borders in the first place. Borderless cards have always been the best looking alters.

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>>49315986
I disagree, extended art with the inner borders still there looks the best.

>>49315978
There are worse pulls, anon

Some of the gearhulks are jank mythics at best

>>49315978
Don't worry, EDH fags would pay so much for that it's unreal.

>>49315978
You'll be able to sell it to EDH players with 0 trouble at least.

>>49316180
There are presales up for less than $40. It's probably not going to be as much as you'd think.

>>49316180
>>49316184
Same with Solemn Simulacrum and Sol Ring (although Sol Ring isn't just for EDH)

>>49316205
Pulling a 40$~30$ card is pretty fucking neat anyway. And the value of masterpieces will rise steadily with time.

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>Spends his life in seclusion making something from his wildest dreams
>When he comes out with his mastepiece, turns out folks have been mass producing it yearly for the last half decade
Being Sangmi is suffering

>>49315793
That's obviously part of it, but supposedly the orange bits are actually copper-colored and metallic, which is gonna look cool.

>>49316401
Not on Kaladesh they haven't.

>>49316401
His is worth way more tbf, and he did it all alone. The other fucks were on other planes, and were using blueprints or something.

>>49316401
>ywn pull this

>>49316401
Handmade designer products can sell for hundreds of times as much as mass produced conveyor belt crap, even if they are functually the same.

>>49316401
>his
>he

>>49316401
>>49316424
The original ABUR sets were technically on Dominaria, right? So the only other plane where they had Sol Rings was Urza and Mishra's very own playground.

There's no shame in knowing one of the Brothers might have invented something before you.

>>49316499
Well, if you consider Commander reprints not on their own plane or whatever, then yeah.

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>Asshole gearherder makes a robot to make his thopters and pests MORE annoying

Didn't they ban this douches favorite toys? Why is he allowed to compete?

>only 3 of the swords
Ahhhhhh, is it that hard for them to reprint them all in the same set? I really hope that the masterpieces from revolt will have the same symbol.

>>49316985
They will. This is why the cards are 1/54 to 30/54.

>>49316996
Didn't notice that, now all I have to do is hope that they do print the other swords.

>>49316592
I would do terrible things for a playset of this for affinity

>>49316592
Oh wait. I just noticed: Is that the new Hangarback in the background of that art?

>>49317364
Yes. Both pieces done by the same artist.

>>49317047
It was pretty obvious since these "expeditions" go for the entire block. See BoZ expeditions.

>>49317692
Yeah, I looked that up, I thought that the expeditions from BfZ had BfZ symbol in it, but they just look like.