MTG Kaladesh Spoiler Thread

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"Toolshaper Paradigm"

Creature - Dwarf Artificer

At the beginning of your combat step, if you control an artifact "Toolshaper Paradigm" gains +2/+1 until end of turn. If you control at least 3 artifacts, it also gains first strike until end of turn.

>>49306280

good in commander, too slow for every other format

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>>49306296

white cancer deck with sigardas aid and goggles incoming

man imagine if he was a human.

>>49306296
How the fuck is this rare?

Delver of secrets was a common.

>>49306322
Delver of Secrets was a mistake.

>>49306322
Delver was a 'mistake'. Also probably something to do with NWO.

>>49306335
>>49306337
So a 'mistake' is ok as long as you upshift rarity to sell more packs.

Got it. Thank god for based chinaman

>>49306322
With an ability text like that, this is a textbook rare. Its far more difficult than Delver is to understand for a casual due to how Transform works.

Delver was a powerful common, but nota particularly complex one.

>>49306337
Delve was a mistake

>>49306296

This seems really powerful.

>>49306280
anyone else getting a bit bored with the "produce exactly as much energy ETB as it needs" creatures? They could really vary it a bit more, give a creature enough E to use its ability twice or have one energy left over after using the ability.

>>49306280

Drop this T3, T4 Larger than Life Harnassed Lightning swing for 20?

>>49306609
>In response to activating the ability, murder

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>>49306296
Why the actual hell is it worded 'beginning of combat.'? Why not just "If you control an artifact "Toolshaper Paradigm" has +2/+1. If you control at least 3 artifacts, it has first strike." Less wordy, less confusing, and closer to Ardent recruit (which was a fucking common that saw 0 play).

>>49306627
>Why the actual hell is it worded 'beginning of combat.'?
Because a decent powerlevel is anti-fun

>Ardent Recruit saw 0 play!
Because it wasn't Jace, Squadron Hawk or a sword.

>>49306627
Because these are different abilities?

>>49306627
Because this one works of just a single artifact? a 1 mana 3/2 at all time for controlling an artifact would be absurd.

>>49306296
Eternal format playable, yes or no?

>>49306387
>based chinaman
kys my man

>>49306764
No current legacy or vintage deck wants this.

And I doubt it is strong enough to spawn something on its own.

>>49306627
Probably because they wanted the buff to only last until the end of your turn so they couldn't make it a continuous effect, and putting the trigger at the beginning of the combat step gives you the opportunity to play an artifact if you didn't have one at the start of your turn. I like it, it's a good way to show that the card is intended for aggro decks and the temporary nature of the buff allows them to give it more power.

>>49306627
It's a bit weird.
What spells can even do only 1 damage in standard for it to matter precombat? Collective brutality? Weaver of lightning? Dark salvation for 1?

>>49306301
How the fuck is this good in commander?

>>49306783
>No current legacy or vintage deck wants this.
Oh, I thought it might have gone with something Jitte runs in
But I guess there's probably better one-drops.

Still, it's a 1 mana 3/2 attacker activated by things like any of the moxes

>>49306414
Elves were a mistake

>>49306793
The buff only lasts until the end of your turn, during your opponents turn it goes back to being a 1/1. They want you to attack with it instead of keeping it untapped to block your opponents one and two drops. It's meant to go in an aggressive deck with cheap artifacts.

>>49306322
Limited.

Because Kaladesh Limited will be full of artifacts, which means this thing is a 3/2 first strike for W everytime it attacks. Which is very good.

Whereas Delver was pretty fucking bad if you didn't cram your 40 card deck with the instant and sorceries available.

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>>49306280
Ha. I like it.

>>49306831
I didn't see "your" combat, i thought it was like Odric

>>49306879
Thinking about it they probably put the trigger at the start of combat so you can play an artifact during your first main phase and still get the buff. If it triggered at start of turn you wouldn't get the buff until the turn after you played an artifact.

>>49306296
what a tool. Court Homunculus with +1/+0 without artifact type, but with metalctaft first strike at rare.

>>49306544
IIRC Voltaic Brawler makes 2 energy and only needs one for its ability. But I assume that the idea is that if the decks produce excess energy, the player will wonder what they're supposed to do with it and that leads to unfun(TM) situations.

tl;dr good energy sink when?

>>49306973
Do you not realise how much better first strike and one more power is?

>>49306988
not rare worthy for sure, and that's my main beef here.

>>49306999
>not rare worthy for sure
Because going to the custom cards general makes you an expert?

>>49306999
It's rare because it's complex (probably a 5- 6/10), there are a lot of good/cheap artifacts so it's easy to trigger, and it's a limited all-star. Not because it's hugely powerful.

>>49306978
>tl;dr good energy sink when?
We have that bitch that produces 6/6 tokens and a card that lets you pay 5 to bolt things.

>>49307073
>pay 5 energy to bolt things
>5 energy is 3 damage
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49307037
>It's rare because it's complex
Can we stop with this epic maymay already? Like, there's absolutely zero logical reason for "complex" cards to sit at higher rarities. Taking the Wizards justification for it is retarded as they contradict themselves and outright lie all the fucking time. MM2 was designed to be drafted? My fucking arse, it wasn't designed to be anything but a Goyf lottery.

>>49307088
5 energy is 3 damage in any colour
It also mates 2 energy on etb.
If you use Harness Lightning, it's 1 damage per energy but you can't go face.

>>49307033
Well we can make quality Savannah Lions rares again, and forget Elite Vanguards if that's what'll make you happy
>>49307037
Yeah, and it would be a good uncommon. Maybe with a +1/+2 instead to not be op. I'd prefer a more elegant design for rares, like that 50 life card. Bulid around, not jam in every vehicle deck.

>>49307088
If you use those 3 damage to kill a creature, it's card advantage because you only lose energy and the opponent loses a card.

>>49307099
When their explanation fits, it fits. When it doesn't, I agree with you. And we all know MM2 was Wizards being them jews.

>>49307107
>Well we can make quality Savannah Lions rares again
It's not a Savannah Lion. Probably closer to the 3/3 Cat which name I can't fucking remember.

>>49306322
Delver of Secrets wasn't good in limited. That Dwarf is likely quiet good in draft as all you need is one equipment to make him big.

>>49307099
There actually is a logical reason for more complex cards to sit at higher rarities.

Wizards wants to primarily sell packs to new and/or dumb players.
Most of those players will but a handful of packs, and see mostly commons and uncommons.
They will only play with the cards they pull.
Of those cards, a handful of them will be rare.
The lower complexity cards at common, the easier these new/dumb players to learn/play the game. Things are easy and intuitive.

It's really not that hard.

>>49307128
Wild Nacatl was a common, which is the rarity for simple and cheap beefy creatures. If not for metalcraft first strike, this guy should be too, with it it might be uncommon worthy, but I don't see it as a rare

>>49307103
burn that can't go to the face needs to be above the curve or else it's unplayable garbage.

Like, what we need as a constant red staple would be R that does 3 to a creature or 2 to a player, that'd be fair.

>>49307224
oh shit here we go

Modules are going to be jank as fuck, but I am going to have a shitton of fun with it. Does anyone know if there will be multiple Servo tokens?

>>49307224
oh shit.

>>49307224
"sweating commons intensify"

>>49307224
Here comes the train! Everyone jump in!

>>49307224
all judges on 4chin, prepare to be suspended

>>49307152
It also has to do with limited. Time Spiral block and Lorwyn block were both incredibly complex and did a lot to scare away players--in particular new ones, but Lorwyn also managed to scare away a good deal of already enfranchised players.

>>49307224

DO IT YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN

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>>49307224
open it now

>>49307224
Daaammnn gib gib gib I wanna see stuff!

>>49307260

Lorwyn didn't scare away enfranchised players because it was complex, it scared them away because it was poorly balanced and Fairies shat on everyone for a year.

>>49307224
Those are some fat fingers, sausage man.

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>>49307224
To think I'd live to witness this moment.

>>49307224

Boit he about to do it!

He about to do it!

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>>49307224
There's a point where we need to stop.
We've clearly passed it, so let's keep going.

>>49307264
Probably not the OP. See the name of the photograph.

>>49306387
Delver was a 3/2 flyer on turn 2. This guy's a 3/2 on turn 2 and not a first striker until turn 3.

>>49307224
>facebook filename
We are all getting cucked right?

>>49307290
>>49307295
fuck I hope not. could really go for some juicy spoilers right now

>>49307295
Yeah - OP probably saw it on Facebook and posted it here...

>>49307292
The difference here is that one was probably a 1/1 for ever in Limited, while that guy is a 3/2 probably fairly easily.

>>49307224
>>49307295
the same picture was psoted on reddit 30 minutes ago

So, let's get the thread back on track. Who else UW flicker? I'm looking forward to drawing my entire deck off Loodrifter.

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>>49307271
>Lorwyn didn't scare away enfranchised players because it was complex
Yes it did. You didn't have to be new or dumb to find it obnoxious to try and evaluate the boardstate in a Lorwyn limited game.

>>49307423
I've been looking forward to making one too. I have some hope it will be a playable archetype

>>49307436
Playable or not, I'll gladly drop $100-150 to play with it

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I'm kinda disappointed.

>>49307493
So...the right move as opp is always to take the damage, right?

>>49307493
>Browbeat on a 6/6 first strike
I wasn't expecting that. I'm disappointed too.

>>49307493
Well, its shit. At least he beats the other gearhulks in combat.

>>49307513
Yes. Unless you are an unlucky fucker, you will take 4~6 damage.

>>49307493
It's...better than I feared, and worse (?) than I hoped? I honestly have no real idea on how to evaluate this card.

>>49307513
Not always. If you opponent is at six life and has blockers on the field, for example.

But most of the time, yes. But people do make dumb decisions.

>>49307493
wow, if your opponent does not let you draw 3 cards, your burn can actually hit face, insane.
needs to be banned.

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>>49307493
>Daretti EDH

I am quite pleased

>>49307493
>red hulk is the worst
as expected

If it wasn't so fucking expensive I'd might have some use for it on my dracoexplosion, but 6 mana is too much.

>>49307531
I feel the same way. Isn't Bedlam Reveler just better than this in general?

>>49307545
Holy fuck that looks weird. Who would even do that? Rotating the mouth like that.

it doesn't slot into a normal red aggro deck, but given the high cmc of the cycle that was never really in question. Could you play this in some kind of midrange deck or something, where your cards have high cmc so the damage from not drawing is really high?

>>49307493
So a 6/6 Firststrike for 6 is pretty neat. And if they don't let you draw it hits them for 3 cards worth of cmc and feeds your graveyard the set after graveyard shenanigans and high cmc emerge shit.
I like it.

>>49307493

Better than I expected but not particularly good unless something magical happens and the guy runs into 3 copies of emmy.

>>49307493
random wins by flipping Emrakul to this incoming, calling it now. Maybe bedlam revelers and more copies of this, too...

>>49307531
Constructed unplayable / 10

>>49307587
A single copy of emmy is already really, really good. Also, remember that you're playing this in a red deck, so hopefully the opponent is already low on life

>>49307598
It really depends on the meta. If it tends towards slower games and bigger creatures with high cmc, battlecruiser style, it might be worth it.

>>49307493
You either get three card advantage or potentially leave your opponent at lethal or just kill them, I think this is a lot better than people give it credit for, especially with how well it plays with delirium.

>>49307655
But delirium decks don't play red. What colors would you even play this in?

>>49307668
yes they do, "Temur Emerge" you fucking idiot.

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>>49307493

I can dig it.

>>49307677
that's not a delirium deck

>>49307493
If only we had a way to manipulate the top.

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>>49307689
Spicy

>>49307493
>in temur emerge colors
>in a format with Emrakul

Could easily punish for 10+ damage in a deck built for it.

>>49307697
CDA as fuck.

>>49307695
it literally is

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/455187#online

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How appropriate, this set is exactly like dragon's maze.

>>49307493
I expected worse, so hurray.

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Rank them from best to worst.

>>49307713
How does it feel to have no taste?

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>>49307689
>>49307697
or how about an actually constructed playable card that also has synergy with filling the graveyard?

>>49307727
G=B>U>W>R
I have no idea what the white does

>>49307730
How does it feel to be Wotc's bitch?

>>49307727
1. White
2. Blue
3. Black
4. Green
5. Red

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Expedition. Not Standard legal.

>>49307727
B
G
U
R
W
done

>>49307493
oh wow, I might have to put this in my living lore/cruel ultimatum deck. either free gas or huge crack to the dome most of the time. the fact that you can potentially control how much damage the punishment side does, without letting your opponent know, necessarily makes the effect a bit better than browbeat. pretty neat. not mindblowing, but neat.

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>>49307224

>>49307747
hnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggjhhhhhh

>>49307713
I agree. This set sucks ass aside from the fast lands.

>>49307747
What is with that set symbol?

>>49307727
W>B=U>R>G

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>>49307747
Holy hell this looks gorgeous. I want to believe.

>>49307727
W
U
R
G
B

Not really sure about snapcaster hulk's placement

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>>49307747

>>49307747
Oh baby

>>49307747
So now we get expiditions every set to help sell packs?

>>49307767
probably so people don't think it's standard legal

>>49307773
>I want to believe.
It's on the mothership, dude

>>49307778
Did Hangarback retain its value?

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>>49307778
Holy damn I'm getting all hot and bothered by these. Please be real. Pleeease

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>>49307747
>>49307778

>>49307747
What expidition tho

>>49307789
It's the Doomfist Gauntlet.

>>49307747
>>49307778
>YFW you realize that the coolest art and cards of every magic set going forward will be expeditions, which are now the new mythic

It hurts friends...

>>49307796
A tour of the fair and the rest of the Plane.

>>49307778
That frame looks fucking bananas I love it.

>>49307493
At least its not obligatory threaten effect/random "burn target creature"

>>49307796

It's not called Expeditions this time

It's called "The Masterpiece Series"

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>>49307747
>>49307778
>>49307789

>Masterpiece cards are planned for Magic Online, but will not be redeemable and are not counted as part of the set. They're going to be distributed in an exciting new way, but we're not quite ready to announce what that is.

Log-in bonuses are coming, mark my words

>>49307778
Absolutely god-damn beautiful.

I think after the Zendikar expeditions it was only a matter of time before they used the same system to plug Modern- and Legacy- staples at a higher, non-Standard-legal rarity. These cards are fucking gorgeous, but will also be a complete PITA to acquire in any great number.

>>49307741
>How does it feel to be Wotc's bitch?

>Has an hobbie
>unwilling to actually invest in his hobbie
Play something else maybe?

>>49307747
>>49307778
Set salvaged?

>>49307828
>The Gearhulks are getting Expedition frames.
Well, this set just got more interesting

>>49307828

>Cards that are already in the set anyway

Fucking why even.

>>49307831
Oh god, are they going Gacha? As if MTG wasn't a gamble as it is now.

>>49307805
This actually feels like the correct way to implement expeditions. Hangarback isn't completely relevant and Gauntlet is very clearly a reprint just for EDH. I don't mind having sexy reprints of niche cards compared to just cramming them full of value people will be garunteed to want. Also looks like they will be famous artifacts for Kaladesh. Would be cool if we got different permanent types (famous creatures, instants, enchantments) every set

>>49307831
God fucking damnit.

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>>49307789
I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>49307778
I want the full version of that art, god damn...

>>49307836
>play something else maybe

I can talk shit all I want since nothing in this set will see play in legacy

>>49307831
if they're online only I swear to god wizards

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>>49307747
>maro confirms super mythics will be a thing in each set from now on

>>49307833

>"What do you mean we're not reprinting modern relevant cards? Didn't you see the last expedition series :^)"

Holy shit they actually would do that.

Claim they've solved the reprint problem by putting out versions of cards that will do nothing at all to lower prize and cost twice what the normal versions costs.

Wizards are lower than scum

>>49307828
>Expeditions of already revealed, and constructed terrible, cards from the same set they come out...
>Literally paying artists to paint the same creature twice just to take up a slot that could have been an amazing reprint like Gauntlet or Mana Crypt.
>Someone is going to open a pack, see the border, get hyped as fuck and then realize they got this shit instead of a crypt...

Holy fuck that's awful.

>>49307875
they're not, read the fucking article you troglodyte.

>>49307864
I got excited and thought it would fog, but just preventing a single source is fair I suppose. Energy lock-down deck?

>>49307885
Verdurous Gearhulk is actually good you silly anon.

>>49307828
>>49307747
Ooh baby this is some spicy art.

I'm sure they'll do it for the other gearhulks too but the green one looks nice

>>49307864

>4 mana to fog 2 sources
>Not even fog 2 times
>Only two specific sources

JUST

>>49307885
>>Someone is going to open a pack, see the border, get hyped as fuck and then realize they got this shit instead of a crypt...
its just like the FtV anon, you have nice reprints and some cardbage in the same box.

>>49307885
green hulk is probably EDH playable, so it should have some value. Maybe all gearhulks, really

>>49307850
These aren't real reprints though, they don't lower the price of gauntlet for EDH players because they print them at such a high rarity value.

>>49307864
It's no Story Circle

>>49307911
Green Hulk is standard playable as hell, and is already like 20 bucks.

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They still have more to release later today for the Masterpiece Series. Pic related?

From the Kaladesh Trailer video. What do ya think it is /tg/?

>>49307727
B, R, U, W, G
But I'm biased.

>>49307864
It should at least give you E every turn or something

>>49307901
>Verdurous Gearhulk is actually good you silly anon.
While true, I think his point is that it got no value compared to crypt.

Also, peopel pointing out that the expedition is from the same set, I jsut want to remind you that in Battle for Zendikar we had the set's land for expeditions as well.

>>49307925
Mox Opal

>>49307925
Opal Mox incoming

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>>49307689
>opponent casts Contingency Plan, thinks for a moment, chuckles, arranges cards
>casts Combustible Gearhulk

>>49307911
Is the black one any good?

>>49307778
This one's fucking gorgeous.

But I digress. WotC has effectively implemented Phantom Rares. Expect jewing in every major set from now on.

>>49307925
a mox, calling it now.

>>49307925
Soul Conduit

>>49307909

It's nothing like FtV

With from the vault there's no gambling involved, you buy it and get all the good and all the bad.

With this it's a fucking lottery, except some of the tickets say "YOU WIN except not really, eat shit faggot

Better to not win anything at all than to get excited and THEN be massively disappointed.

>>49307944
I honestly don't mind. As long as they don't print them exclusively in an expedition slot.

Though I do suppose that the reprints of older cards is fucking stupid in those slots as well.

>>49307911
So far the only really playable Gearhulk is surprisingly the red one because of the interactions with Darreti and artifact generals in general and Rakdos, lord of riots, where letting the rakdos player discard three can actually burn 20+ easily.

Green tokens are one and a dozen. If this was the red hulk my local Darreti player would go nuts for it.

>>49306781
oy vey

>>49307939
>>49307940
>>49307946
It doesn't follow the moxen established art pattern though. (The mox clutched preciously between two hands) This pattern has been obeyed up to EMA so it would be really strange to break it now.
Hell, the original Mox Opal already did.

>>49307961
>Green tokens are one and a dozen.
sure, but one more can never hurt.

>>49307932

Well yeah but lands are, you know, lands.

They'll never lose their relevance.

Something like this though.

>We want the Masterpiece Series to be exciting. Many other trading card games do higher rarities than Magic, and we've always avoided those because we didn't want it to get in the way of the game. Cards should be attainable. The Masterpiece Series lets us add in a higher rarity for the fun it provides, but as the cards in it are all available elsewhere, it doesn't sacrifice the quality of Magic as a game.

thoughts, /tg/?

>>49307727
For now,

White > Black > Blue > Green > Red.

But it really depends on what kind of instants there will be available in Standard, and whether or not there is a possibility of shooting for 20 with Combustible Gearhulk.

Good call making expeditions again to reprint old cards rather than reprint them in standard and make it miserable until those cards rotate

>>49307961
red, green, black and blue are all incredibly playable.

Black is, still by far the strongest hulk "by itself".

>>49307942
When will we get an AEtherborn Revenant?
>Gender: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

>>49307979
Well, we'll see all masterpiece cards today so we'll see soon

>>49307747
My God, this is fucking. Beautiful.

>>49308005
BLack is, as pointed out by LSV, an incredibly powerful card.

you are foolish to not see this and your amateur level of magic card evaluation shows because of it;

>>49307961
The black one's decent as a second Duplicant-esque creature in a deck like Sharuum or Mishra, and the blue one's fucking Snapcaster mech, of course it'll be playable. I like the white one but I don't think it'll see much play.

>>49308006
>Still not ditched the reserved list
Irrelevant.

>>49308008
>Black is, still by far the strongest hulk "by itself".
If we're talking just its creature why not the green one?

Or hell the red one?

>>49308001
While I fucking hate the mechanics of Yugioh, I do love the whole stupid rarity aspect of it all. Getting shiny versions of beloved cards honestly just feels great. Only reason I still keep a few decks around to play with my friends who still ride that burning train.

>>49308001
Strictly speaking, these are just bonus cards randomly inserted into packs. It's... it's technically a positive thing.

Can't say I'm personally happy about Megamythic, and I hope that its existence won't stop proper reprints from happening.

>wijjards can insert a hundred dollar bill on each booster packs and people will still whine
remember this

>>49308019
Also if you have Black, Green an a Restoration Angel in Abzan EDH you can use them to fire the Reservoir.

>>49307727
U > B > W > G > R

>>49308023
Irrelevant to my post. I'm a styandard only player so I couldn't care less about old cards for a dead format

>>49308028

>It's... it's technically a positive thing.

Only if they don't serve as an excuse for Wizards to not give us relevant reprints in actual, real, non-lottery ticket ways.

Which you know, they do.

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>>49308001
We pokemon now?

>>49307925
Probably one of the [Expeditions], given the pattern and the color palette.

Literally whatever, aside from sweet new card art I'll use on Cockatrice.

If you're trying to build a WU blink deck, which gearhulks would you run? Could it be worth it to splash a third color?

Red Gearhulk is either a draw 3 creature, or massive face burn possibly.

>>49308005
>and whether or not there is a possibility of shooting for 20 with Combustible Gearhulk
You have Emrakul in the format. Of course you can shoot for 20.

>>49308017
I don't disagree, it's very powerful. However, the white one kills two entire decks by itself. X tokens and weenies.

>Expedition Artifacts
Thats it im buying a box.

>Standard is the most-played Constructed format. It's designed as an entry point for players who wish to play Constructed Magic. Through market research and social media, we learned that many of the players who were interested in playing Standard felt it was something beyond their reach. We had to find ways to address this.

Holy shit guys, the search for Expeditions in every single standard set from now on is going to absolutely tank the price of all not absolutely-sought for cards in the set because people will try and open packs just for the Expedition value, driving down the price of the rest of the cards to compensate

This is a fucking masterstroke and should make all new cards massively cheaper

>>49308066
Yeah, yeah, but reliably, consistently and while being competitive.

>>49308086
Same here.

Say goodbye to any standard reprints of anything higher than uncommon rarity

>>49308095
If there is one your opponent will just let you draw 3 every time so it really doesn't matter.

>>49307727
BGWUR

>>49308001
This is /tg/, so.
MAGIC IS DEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDD RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49308124
And if there isn't, it's shit.

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As a Poorfag i really like that they will reprint expeditions, that'll make the non-expedition cards a lot cheaper.

>>49307979
It's clutched between two mechanical 'hands'.

>>49307828
>>49307789
>>49307778
>>49307747

price em /tg/. how much on opening day?
mana crypt at least 100-150
walker 30 no more
gauntlet 35-40? unsure on this one
gearhulk...20 at max.

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>>49308086
I'm stealing two!

>>49308149
It really won't.

>>49308088
>Everything from khans is dirt cheap because of fetch lands
Actually a pretty decent idea wotc

>>49308159
I'd wager around $70-80 for the gauntlet

>>49308001
Mythic was a mistake, and they prove their dishonesty regarding it's introduction continuously.

I don't think they're going to remain true to their stated intent, and I think that Super Mythic can really only go in one direction.

>>49308149
>
>>49308170
I didn't watch the prices, did the price of non-expedition cards really tank in expedition packs?

>>49308159
Seeing that maro just announced that these things won't be exclusive anymore (as in each set will have their own 'expedition'), probably not that much.

>>49308182
I don't know about zendikar but i know khans tanked prices

>>49308190
damn. i'm definitely gonna crack a pack and have that fucking gearhulk stare out at me.

>>49308182
Can't blame the expeditions since Zendikar v2 is an abortion of bad cards.

Man, the spoiled basics are fucking beautiful.

>>49308001
It's fucking disgusting.

>>49308182

BFZ and OGW prices tanked because the sets were universally awful.

Vendors won't touch those sets with a 10-foot pole, Expeditions or not, there's just no money to be made.

>>49308159
At least $50 on the gauntlent. Maybe it will drop down to $35~40 in a month.

>>49308206
>whaaa, I opened a 60-100 dollar foil!

>>49308206
I cracked a Prairie Stream expedition and i couldn't be happier.

>>49308229
no way. you really think it'll be 60-100?

>>49307727
W>U>B>G>R

>>49307747
>>49307778
>>49307789
>>49307828
Know what sells more packs than super ultra mythic rares?
ACTUALLY FUCKING REPRINTING THE DAMN CARDS NORMALLY

>>49308229

>That card
>60-100 bucks

You're a loon.

>>49308244
EDH playable, and it's fancy, so yeah, probably.

>>49308251
>RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49307747
>>49307747
How low do you think this will drive prices down given that EM ones are around $60

>>49308251
This, but since that is never going to actually happen then "expeditions" is the "best" we can hope for.

>>49308251
They tried that you retard, we saw what that did to standard.

I think it's time to take a break from magic.

>>49308240
I pulled a foil Chandra and a Forbidden Orchard expedition from the 1 OGW box i bought... used up my luck for all year on that one. Expeditions are damn cool though whatever the card. Forbidden Orchard chills out in my EDH deck now.

>>49308219
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/basic-lands-kaladesh-2016-09-12

I WANT THESE IN FULLART!!

>>49308265
>30 card list
>approximately one in every 144 packs according to maro
not much.

>>49308255
You have no idea how to evaluate a card.

>>49308265
None and this one will be a 100$

>>49307944
>Expect jewing in every major set from now on.
uhhhhhh

They said so themselves. Did you even read the article?

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>>49308219
>Adam Paquette and James Paick's Swamps

>>49308271
Because sets outside standard don't exist right?

kys retard

>>49308281
Did they ban Deadeye Navigator or something?

>>49308251
Conspiracy 3 is what you need. Unless they make FtV: Value, or Value Masters.

>>49307493
I will play this and every time I put cards into the graveyard it will be three lands. Fuck.

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>>49308300
Why are you not happy with the super-limited-print-run Masters sets we've been pumping out these few years, anon?

>>49308310
it will mean not drawing three lands in a row in a red deck, so...count your blessings.

>>49308293
>>49308277
When one of John Avon's landscape is the worst the set has to offer (250 Plains), you can feel the need to rage at Wizards for not having full art lands every set.

>>49308001
>but as the cards in it are all available elsewhere,

Oh where? Oh where? Doth mine crypt of mana be available elsewhere?
AHA!
I spot it in the hands of a filthy shylock in his Castle of David.

>>49308323
It's 4RR. You don't play that in Sligh.

>There are people who are unironically excited by Wizards directly announcing that they will NEVER reprint anything relevant EVER again at less than Extra-Mythic rarity

Fucking Shabbos goyim the lot of you

It's like you're begging to be fucked in the ass.

>>49308296
Shut up.

I hope they release the full art of the basics so i can make myself some proxy full art lands.

They are just too fucking beautiful to pass on.

If they were Full Art they would be Unhinged levels of beautiful.

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>tfw Kev Walker will never make any cards ever again

>>49308344
except they litterally just did a bunch in conspiracy 2: electric boogaloo.


The article even mentions this is in addition to master sets + supplemental sets.

>all these people shitting on Combustible Gearhulk
there really is no pleasing red players, is there? It could have been some shitty act of treason effect or spread some damage around or some shit like that. Instead, you get a creature thats on curve in red, has a relevant keyword, AND can either give you fantastic card advantage or blast your opponent to the dome. Either way, you are getting WAY more than your cmc's worth, especially in red. But apparently, that just is't good enough? How is having a fantastic curve topper that either:
A) gives you enough gas and board presence to keep going.
B) blast your opponent in the dome and forces them to play defense to your gigantic first striker, practically ensuring chump blocks.
C) You get lucky and hit a couple of high cmc spells and just win on the spot.

I really don't understand. Not only is thing a beast on its own, but we have already seen flicker cards and you can cheat it in early with Eldritch Evolution. I mean shit, worst case scenario you cast it, opponent picks mill, you mill 3 lands and then they murder it. You've still made your next 3 draws better by getting rid of those lands and gotten a removal spell out of your opponents hand. that's pretty decent.

Am I missing something here, /tg/? I realize that cards that give your opponents a choice are almost always terrible, but both choices here seem great, and the body is fantastic.

>>49308344
They didn't say that. They said they'll reprint the extra hard to reprint in this extra-mythic rarity. You still have stuff like conspiracy and the yearly commander products, plus the usual "Format" masters product for your reprint.
You're kind of dumb.

>>49308277
Did... did Richard draw a censor-blurred penis mountain?

>>49307844
To fuck with people who bought a case just to try and get a Crypt.

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>>49308360
Get that stick out your ass then we'll talk

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>>49308277
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/basic-lands-kaladesh-2016-09-12
this is pretty.

>>49306280
This is giving me a chameleon colossus vibe. It will be able to swing for 32 with five activations assuming no pump. Giant growth it and it swings for 32 in three activations.

>>49308378
>on curve in red
>6 mana
i'm sorry, you lost me.

>>49308378
As a red player I love the fucking thing. The damage is random but there's always a good chance you hit at least one high mana card that makes it stupid.

>>49308390
No one likes your stale as fuck memes.

>those collector numbers
Wait, do we get 54 cards in the Masterpiece series?

Does a masterpiece count as a pick or will they occupy the checklist/land/token slot? Not looking forward to choosing between winning Limited and making dough.

>>49308410
30 in Kaladesh, 24 in Aether Revolt

>>49308410
i believe its 54
30 in kaladesh 24 in aether

>>49308404
on curve as in a 6/6 for 6 mana. My bad, i should have clarified that better in my initial post.

>>49308405
Speak for yourself my man

>open mana crypt in draft
>instantly rich
>easily win the draft

Looks like fun

>>49308392
The only good land in the whole set.

>>49308440
are expeditions legal in draft and sealed?

>>49308440
Not standard legal, my man. They're just a bonus.

>>49308417
They should work as Expeditions, which means that you draft them as normal and they are playable in your deck.

>>49308429
that makes it efficient. it's not on curve if your curve never hits 6.

>>49308378

Red doesn't want or need a fucking 6 mana creature with Browbeat attached you massive idiot.

It's no fucking good, it doesn't do anything that red wants to do.

And you're fucking celebrating just because it passes the vanilla test? Are you for real?

>>49308417
Same as expeditions. But hey, at least artifacts will be playable in almost all decks and should do more than just fix your mana.

>>49308448
Yes.

>>49308440
it's only a 1 in 4,300 chance

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>>49308405
lmao the sjw in this thread happens to be the worst player as well, talk about enforcing stereotypes

>>49308300
We JUST had Conspiracy 2 with a bunch of really good reprints

>>49307587
>not particularly good unless it deals 39 damage on ETB
I know what you mean but come the fuck on already

>>49308462
thanks

>>49308450
kys if you can't even read

>>49308450
being standard legal has nothing to do with being limited legal

>>49308417
>first picking a mana crypt or hangarback walker isn't going to win you limited games
If they were lands I'd agree. But every masterpiece shown so far is going to put you way ahead of your opponents.

>>49308450

Draft isn't standard.

>>49308448
>>49308450
If you open them, you can play them

>>49308450
Except that he's referring to limited, in which they are legal.

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>>49308277
Those lands .... AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

>>49308450
Any card you open is legal in your limited deck, standard legal or not.

>>49308466
>It's SJW to not want a decent thread filled up with stale memeposting.

>>49308387
It can go with the Origins vaginal mountain.

>>49308452
>>49308461
Well that sucks.
>>49308486
Hypothetically compare Avacyn and 3GG Gearhulk in pack 3 when you're not on white and x.

>>49308505
you're on white*

>>49308492
>>49308485
>>49308452
>>49308448
>Putting that much money in your deck and bending it up/touching it too much instead of immediately sleeving it and selling it at your earliest convenience.

>>49308505
I doubt Green Gearhulk is gonna be major money, masterpiece or not, except for maybe during the prerelease. But that's also sealed so it doesn't matter.

>>49308440
Opening Hangarback in this set's draft will be backbreaking.

Does anyone what are the rates of the expeditions? 1 per box or something like that?

>They are going to Avoid reprinting shit like Wurmcoil Engine, Blightsteel Collosus or the Swords of X and X on the MasterPiece Series because of >MUH DRAFT ENVIRONMENT.

Seriously, they are goint to reprint tame shit, anyone getting a Wurmcoil on a draft is going to fucking murder everyone else on the table.

Expedition damnation in the egypt set pretty much comfirmed

>>49307747

>the set is so shit it needs expeditions to sell packs

I'm calling it now.

>>49308523
How poor are you? Because it's starting to feel like my collection of Magic cards is worth more than you make in a year.

>>49308523
>joining into magic the jewening instead of playing with your cards in a card game
you're part of the problem goyanon.

>>49308534
Standard's power level is getting pretty high. Wurmcoil wouldn't be as broken as it was in SOM

>>49308378
First punisher mechanics should always be considered significantly worse than either of the two choices would be.
This is a lot worse than either drawing cards, or dealing damage, as your opponent will choose whatever is worse for you.

Second, first strike is probably the worst mechanic they could give a giant creature, as they already win most combats, or are getting chump blocked.

Third, six is a lot higher than 5. Getting to 5 on turn 5 is a thing decks can do if they have draw smoothers, or just luck. 6 mana is a thing you don't hit till turn 8 unless you've got ramp.


having said all that, it's not as terrible as some people have said. It's not a topper for a midrange deck, it's part of a R/G ramp deck. Ramp gets this out reasonably early (turn 5), and ramp decks often need to reload, and have high mana cost spells the opponent would actually worry about getting hit in the face with.

>>49308523
oh, im not playing alot of draft, and sealed only at pre-release, im just asking so i know, that if i open one, i can also play it

>>49308534
The thing about reprinting at such a high rarity is that it won't come up that often.

>>49308460
>it doesn't do anything red wants to do
>red decks never want to draw cards, do damage to face, or put pressure on the board

What sort of fucking card are you looking for? This thing is from a cycle of large, high cmc creatures, so yes you are getting a large, high cmc creature. Of course it's not going to be a low to the ground aggro card.

>>49308539
Good, this way I can get my jank module decks for even cheaper.

>>49308534
There's already Hangarback. That's already an autowin in kaladesh draft.

>>49308523
Use proxy.

>>49308533
According to maro 1 per 144 packs.
According to what i see on zendikar, roughly 1 every 2-3 box.

>>49308534
but hangarback's fine? honestly hope wurmcoil gets a print in this shit, it'd look baller.

>>49308533
1 in every 5 boxes.

or you know, 1 in NEVER boxes, as it usually is if you are unlucky.

or you know, 2 Expeditions in the Prerelease pack just like that one guy in the Prerelease night that doesnt even play that much magic.

How would you flavour a Vehicle with Fabricate? I'm thinking it'd be a mobile repair shop, maybe have a crew cost equal to it's Power a starting P/T of 1/1 and "Whenever an Artifact enters the Graveyard, Fabricate 1"

>>49308578
Imo, giving a choice to your opponent is one of the worst effects Red has in its arsenal. Do one or the other, don't let your opponent choose what is beneficial for them.

>>49308578
Cards that give other players a choice what happens will never do what you want them to do at the time. Common sense.

>>49308534
I could see the swords at least. The Wurmcoil and Blightsteel probably not because the oil isn't on Kaladesh...yet

>>49308545
>>49308554
I mean regular Mana Crypt is $80 and this is a brand new Super Mythic one with new art. That's not going to be any less expensive.

Besides, I don't play any format Mana Crypt is legal in.

I'm currently unemployed because no-one's ever hiring. Not even the local McDonalds

>>49308582
>>49308587
Oh god, lottery has better chances than that.

>>49308599

You play smart and either choice is bad for your opponent.

>However, when we experimented with putting some of these older cards in Standard, we found the more powerful ones warped Standard in a way we felt was unhealthy for the format, so we looked to other avenues to release these cards. We tried putting some in nonrandom supplemental sets like Commander and Duel Decks, but it warped how the products were selling. We were able to reprint some in Masters sets and others in supplemental booster releases like the Conspiracy sets, but we recognized there was still more demand for reprints and we needed to find additional places to release them.

Modern reprints as hyper-ultra-mythics. Thank you Maro.

>>49308568
is there any kind of welder deck that'd care about this guy? welding out a 6/6 that gives you gas seems fine, I just don't know much about the archetype to know about whether there's room.

>>49308609
>I'm currently unemployed
lol

>>49308619
>We tried putting some in nonrandom supplemental sets like Commander and Duel Decks, but it warped how the products were selling.
Try and print actual EDH staples in EDH product then, dumbfucks

>>49308565
Reprints aren't standard legal, he's talking about drafts

>>49307732
Is Jund a thing?

>>49308622
>>49308622
I doubt it, welder only exists in formats that have way more broken and expensive shit to get.

>>49308619
>We tried putting some in nonrandom supplemental sets like Commander and Duel Decks, but it warped how the products were selling.

Fuck, the 4-Color decks are gonna be garbage most likely then.

>>49306808
Xenagos

>Kaladesh Sundering Titan
My dick is ready

>>49308643
It could be, but I don't think it will run the gearhulk.
It's going to be a midrange deck with disruption, and there are better toppers for that than the Gearhulk.

>>49308619
>We tried putting some in nonrandom supplemental sets like Commander and Duel Decks
Well, time to dial down the hype for the 4-color decks then.

>>49308578

>>red decks never want to draw cards, do damage to face, or put pressure on the board

Not at fucking 6cmc they don't

For one they could have printed it at 5 (or even 4) CMC, the white and green ones are 5 so it's in no way unreasonable to ask and red is supposed to be the fast color so I don't see how printing it at 4 would have been any kind of blasphemy or antithetical to the cycle.

Secondly, they could have printed it with an actually good effect, Browbeat is not a good card.

Thirdly, maybe red players wouldn't be sore about this card about being underwhelming if red had gotten more than ONE SINGLE GOOD CARD so far.

>>49308660

>not expecting opal/ravager as money cards

>>49307944
You probably don't even buy packs. Oh shit, you now have a 0.5% chance of opening mad dosh from now on compared to the 0% in past sets. Fucking jews

>>49308669
The Noxious Gearhulk comes to mind.

>>49308680
The 2 on color Gearhulks are better than the red one.

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>>49306296
Fuck yeah.

>>49307334
share post name

>>49308672
It has gotten plenty. Voltaic Brawler, Unlicensed Disintegration, Lathnu Hellion, Chandra, Voltaic Brawler, possibly Speedway Fanatic.

>>49308619

>Confirmed no more relevant reprints in Commander and Duel decks

THANKS A LOT MARO

And there goes that excuse for the "This won't effect other avenues of reprints" brigade.

>>49308534
Wurmcoil Engine and Blightsteel Colossus don't really fit in terms of flavor. Kaladesh is a plane of robotic artifacts, not weird living ones.

>>49308609
>I'm currently unemployed
Hahahaha.
You seem like a good guy though, how does this even happen?

>>49308467
I know and it was a good set, but it still had a lot of useless shit because muh drafting.

>>49307176
So basically red gets 2 free turns

>>49307914
They actually might - the people who are willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a single piece of cardboard are, in many cases, going to go for the prettiest one they can. There's a reason foiling your EDH deck is a thing. This could draw that market away from the more ordinary versions, forcing retailers to drop their prices on them if they want to make sales even if the number of available copies has changed only negligibly. I don't think it'll work, but I'd like to find out.

>>49308565
>Standard's power level is getting pretty high.
Tell me when Blue control and Red decks in general gets to have some of the power level pie.

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Welp, I fell for the jew scheme and preordered my first booster box. Now to just find a few people who'd want to draft with.

>>49308725
>Kaladesh is a plane of robotic artifacts, not weird living ones.
It's literally stated that artifice in Kaladesh has "life" in it because of Aether, and Aetherborn are LITERALLY MADE AS A BYPRODUCT OF AETHER REFINEMENT

Kaladesh artifice is living, although not quite like Phyrexian shit.

>>49308725
Just wait still pyrexia shows up in the next set