40k general

>>49291925
>Not

Autistic Shitposting And (You) edition.

First for Lascannons are now Assault 7

WAAAGH

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>>49291950

>Assault Army
>Don't WAAAGH

Havoc launchers on rhinos worth it in this day and age? Casual games of course

I heard Termagant is another name for Allah, is this true?

>>49291990
Thanks Allah!

>>49291971
They do alright, don't expect to be impressed by them but if the rhino is still alive on turn 2 they'll probably make their points back.

What can you tell me about Tempestus?

>>49292027
Just dl their codex and read for yourself, or ask more specific questions you nong.

>>49292027
If I took their mask off would they die?

>>49292027
They don't do enough damage with their alpha strike to make up for their lack of bodies and tanks. Take them as an allied detachment, not as the bulk of your army.

>>49291964

Where are the Horvigon and Garvigon?

>Guard are a shooty army
>BS3

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anyone got?

where you guys go for scans?

>>49292078
>Tau are a shooting army
>Bs3

>sisters are an army
>no update in the last 15 years

>Chaos Space Marines are a Space Marine army
>No ATSKNF

>Space wolves arent heretics
>Harbour mutant werewoofs in their ranks

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Reminder that going back to CSM 3.5 would no longer be anywhere close to broken under the current ruleset.

>40k is a game
>it is not fun

>Tempestus are an army
>5 types of units

>This is a discussion general
>Memes

To get back on track, post pictures of your warlord and tell us how tough he is. Does he perform well? Does he earn back his points, or does he die like a chump to the first Lascannon shot?

>>49292208
>Talks about going back to 3.5 ed chaos
>Posts the cover art from the worst chaos book ever written

>>49292088
Try the OP in the horus heresy general.

>>49292228
>hates the way this thread is going
>posts two lines of greentext

>>49292228

I used to have a massive HQ range of characters for my 5th ed codex Necrons: 27 crypteks, 10 lords and an Overlord.

Then suddenly 7th codex comes out, nukes the HQ section to remove most of the options and make most of what's left shit. Pretty much just Orikan and D-Lords are any good other than taking a bare bones Cryptek as a minimalist tax.

Killed my enthusiasm for playing the army, honestly. And after I found out I basically couldn't lose because everything else's durability was buffed into the stratosphere even without the idiot superformation, I just gave up on the faction.

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>>49292228

Not much for now for any of them (Fireblade, Ethereal, Commander) yet. I've some ideas for the Sept, but not for important individuals. I think I will search for some non-stereotypical Soviet/Chinese commissar for the Ethereal. Commander would be a Soviet general or Chinese warlord, and I have no idea about the Cadre Fireblade yet.

>>49292237
I'm not familiar with the 3rd ed CSM codex what differed from the 3.5 version?

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>>49292228

Ridiculously survivable Bodyguard fiercely protects the Ethereal from the worst blows while the Etheral spams storm of fire.

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>>49292228
He does pretty well for himself. Usually travels with a pack of spawn. Although he has a nasty habit of turning into a daemon prince via boons. I've started to think I need to do up daemon prince model that has bike bits fused into his body.

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Anyone got the traitors hate pdf? The epub in the database is fucking trash.

>>49292319
3rd ed codexes were very basic and lacking in options for a number of armies. The chaos book was essentially marines -1 similar to chaos is now. Weapon and unit selection was diabolical and most things were over costed while underperforming. Unique chaos units were limited to the cult troops and obliterators. Even compared to the bland lacklustre armies of the time chaos was considered very weak. The 3.5 book was rushed out afterwards to fix multiple issues along with new assault rules.

>>49292390
>The epub in the database is fucking trash.
Formatting problems?

So I'm not a guard player but we all recognize DKoK and Steel Legion are fucking awesome.

If you have a bad ass guard unit post it!

Points for Valhalla, Tallarn, and Vostroyan.

Bonus points for Savlar Chem dogs, ratskins and other not officially produced regiments and based "your dudes. "

>>49292398
Seems like it. I can't even read it properly in epub readers and no converter will work, it seems corrupted or something.

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>>49292390
>>49292412
This will have to work for now.

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>>49292405
posted this today in the wip general.

im too poor for the kriegs so i have to make my donut steel regiment to use along with my steel legion.

>>49292412

Use Picarto fampai.

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>>49292428
thanks bruh

>>49292398
Use kobo you dumb fucker

>>49292436
Yeah forgeworld costs $TEXAS.

Looks great though!

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>>49292319
3.5 had flavor. Rules for all of the traitor legions.
I know this comes up time and time again, but I still don't know why they can do it for loyalists but making a sort of "chapter tactics" for CSMs is beyond them.

Hell, they wouldn't have to really be legion-specific. General dedications or something beyond the marks that get the idea across.

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Powers out. Were supposed to try out kill team an hour after sunset. Might as well Bolt myself. How much "better" have CSMs been treated in this format? SEEMS LIKE Fearless is kind of a big deal for break tests. I was supposed to bring AM myself.

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How do I equip these guys

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>be kharn
>be 10,000 year old champion of the god of war
>be in countless battles, killed unfathomable amounts of people and other things
>still not an eternal warrior
>yet some 50 year old cuck marine captain has eternal warrior
what did gw mean by this?

>>49292510
Every army wants regimental doctrines/craftworld paths/tau sept bonuses/orders militant/hivefleets whatever. And there isn't really a good reason why they can't do it for all of them.

>>49292405
>>49292553

>>49292576
>be Kharn
>get killed every few years
>complain about not having eternal warrior

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>>49292319
>>49292510
Memories.

>>49292510
It is annoying that there are space marines in cool ranch and spicy nacho.

Honestly if you want to play marines with nit noid specialties and USR's sprinkled all over them, 30k is the better alternative.

Both ends of games workshop don't need whole studios dedicated to giving marines special snowflake ammunition, rules and units.

I'd rather see more exploration of eldar craft worlds, tyranid hive fleets, Tau auxiliaries, IG regiments, and ork WAAUGGHHS than CSM getting more fleshed out. The setting doesn't need it, and the game is always going to have broken bullshit. If CSM aren't it, sorry I guess?

Convert some hades autocannon rapiers, get some vindicators and obliterators, and some skull cannons and get shooting.

>>49292594
>get killed every few years
>yet still be alive
>somehow not eternal warrior

>>49292576

GW doesnt really care for rules of even lore at this point.

Just selling more toy-looking minis to 12 year olds.

If you still like Warhammer 40k move to Forge World and play with your own headcanon rules

>>49292614
Eternal warrior isn't for being brought back from the dead by Chaos Gods, it's for not dying in the first place.

>>49292629
kharn has never died

>>49292349
That actually sounds pretty fucking neato

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H dog is down

I repeat

H dog is down

Is the deathwatch codex floating around the web yet?

>>49292648
I guess she didn't have the Eternal Jew special rule.

>>49292640
The Siege of Terra would like a word with you

>>49292670
>some fag called the don a lightweight in the last thread

>hillary passes out at the 9/11 memorial hours later

pottery

>>49292682
if he died then why is he alive?

for example, siggy died. thats why hes dead.

sanguinass died, thats why hes dead.

kharn died??? thats why hes alive???

why does siggy have eternal warrior in 30k if he died?

>>49292618
Forgeworld still has that chapter approved feel to me where it's more about the hobby. Their campaigns just play in the setting and I think they're pretty well written. The intro to the first Tau book was rad; some imperial bureaucrat discovered a tax irregularity in the once in a couple hundred years audit, discovered folks were fraudulently trafficking goods with aliens, sent in some marines, and the whole thing escalated from there. Arbites and planetary militia get involved, there's maps, it's awesome! They do good work over at FW, I wish GW followed suit.

The lack of good artwork, the pictures of the studio minis for the unit entries...a lot of the GW releases in the past couple years have been pretty aesthetically dead. I miss the moody black and white codices with a brief hobby section and a bunch of artwork and fluff for inspiration.

I will say the time lines they put out are cool. There a ton of cool little one or two sentence mini stories that would great jumping off points and have good examples of how to play with setting.

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>>49292690
shes got frog flu

that bitch gotta die

>>49292701
Lucius the Eternal dies like a chump like its his job and he is still alive. Chaos is a hell of a drug

>>49292709

FW is what GW was long ago.

FW is where all the enthusiasts that worked for GW went (those who didnt give GW the middle finger, that is)

FW is the last bastion for warhammer

In fact I suspect FW paints the models badly and does poor showcases for a reason, because GW doesnt let them. Because a lot of people would migrate from GW to FW

>>49292640
He died on Terra. They dug his body from a pile of dead Imperial Fists

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>>49292599
Oh my gods...

>>49292742
if he died then why is he alive? :^)

is it perhaps because he is a warrior who lives eternally? :^)

>>49292731
>FW purposefully paints models badly to keep people out of muh sekrit club
Fucking hell FWfags are ridiculous.

>>49292792

If Forge World starts showcasing the entirety of their armies, painting models like the Eavy Metal team, fixing their website so it looks better, etc.. There would be a massive migration from GW, because FW provides what 40k fans like and always liked.

That or there would be massive complains towards GW

>>49292811
You genuinely think there would be a mass migration to FW, with the prices you have to pay for FW stuff? Seriously?

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>>49292811

>there would be a massive migration to a company that sells Guardsmen squads for $80 if they just had galleries of painted models

>>49292782
No, he is a warrior that lives in intermittent periods separated by sections of death. Compared to to others with EW who have managed to not die at all.

>>49292878
>Compared to to others with EW who have managed to not die at all.
siggy had eternal warrior. howd that work out against abbadonian?

>>49292976
>eternal warrior means you can never die
Cool, from now on whenever my captain loses his last wound I'll tell my opponent this and leave the model on the table.

>>49291925
So, looking at the new chaos formations, and i have a question:

Cultist: is there any point in giving them marks

>>49292782
Khorne gave him a spittle-laced mouth to mouth while the Legion was flying off into the sunset.

>>49293004
then kharn should have a special rule where he cant die.

you know, since he cant die and has never died

What army to you think is the most aesthetically pleasing

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How's the scheme? And the current name is the Nova Guardians.

>>49293061
Dark eldar have some cracking models. I wish I could paint well enough to do them justice.

>>49293061
Dark Angels

>>49293064
is that red or brown

>>49292136
But anon your own book tells you what factions are the REAL space marine factions
>you don't see Veterans of the Long War giving you Hatred (Chaos Space Marines)

>>49293085
Brown, according to the paint chart, it's modern GW's XV-88, Old Terracotta.

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>>49293084
Angels of Vengeance do it better for me.

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>2000 points worth of conscripts

>>49292576
>be kharn
>favored son of strongest god
>favored so much, that if I get chumped and die he literally brings me back to life
>50 year old loyalists on the other hand when they die are deader than disco, which canonically I never heard of.

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>>49293122
>painting 2000 points worth of conscripts

>>49293122
Can that even fit in a deployment zone?

>>49293122
but why would you want that?
>you opponent deploys a knight warden
>>49293131
Spray and dip brah, spray and dip

>>49292648
And that matters for /tg/ why?

>>49293175
He had one reply, you could have just ignored it.

>>49293175
Because I was arguing with some faggot and wanted him to see it

mind your own business homo

>>49293185
I'm just not sure what he means exactly.
Who the fuck is H-dog, and how do they relate to /tg/? Did someone die in the new blood Angels supplements, hence why he posted Dante?

>>49293191
fuck off nigger

>>49293044
>Cultist: is there any point in giving them marks

Absolutely not. They are best used as cheap meat bags to hold objectives.

>>49293191
Fuck off faggot. Don't bring unrelated arguments to here. Keep them on the board they belong.

>>49293208
Hillary Clinton had to leave the 9/11 memorial because she was sick or something. It doesn't matter to /tg/ at all. Ignore him.

>>49293217
I will do whatever I want

>>49293218
Oh. Ok.

On a slightly unrelated subject, have we got any leaks for the new Bangles supplement yet? The bundles make kt seem like the formations should be good, but actually having the formations to confirm that would be nice.

>>49293151
>2000 points worth of shitty painted conscripts

>>49293151

Spray and dip humans?

What the shit would that even look like, those green plastic army men crossed with thin your paints?

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>>49293245
>2k points of any kind of conscripts

>>49293056
But he has died and he can die. Khorne just resurrects him :^)

What are detachments?

also what are formations?

>>49293275
Good point. Just buy green army men and glue them to quarters. Instant Astra Militarum!

>>49293064
>ripping off Blood Ravens this hard

Get your own scheme, asshole. You just switched Red with Brown.

>>49293343
>faggot vvidya game chapter
>real

so I have eldrad, two ten man units of guardians with platforms, 5 dire avengers, 5 wraithguard, a vyper, a wave serpent and a wraithknight.

what now? start collecting? should I build the fire prism as a night spinner?

>>49292582
>/hivefleets
I remember someone mentioned that nid fandex guy a few threads back, and there was a point where he posted a whole PDF that had individual warlord traits for every single named hivefleet, does anyone still have that floating around?

http://techraptor.net/content/games-workshop-fantasy-flight-games-part-ways

>>49293317
For accurate price point glue them to dollar coins

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>>49293370
>Has more named character models than first founding chapters
>not real

:c)

>>49293217
cry harder cuck.

your zombie hag just died on live tv

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>>49293424
>>49293424

>>49293424
>everyone who thinks you're a faggot is obviously on the "other side"
This is the wrong board for politics

>>49293494
>>49293424
Lads, lads, take it to pol, they have 2 threads for this shit
>>>/pol/
>>88409686
>>88408423

>>49293393

Old news brah

>>49293317
Checkmate GW

>>49293379

A few more wraithknights should do the trick.

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>>49293085
>>49293343

Star Raiders, then. Raven Guard Successor. Sotek Green.

Aside from the fire raptor and the sicaran, what are the chaos FW must haves?

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>>49293494
pharma bro screaming her down on live tv like 5 minutes ago was priceless

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Is there any way to field large amounts of infiltrating light infantry for an IoM army - or with a counts-as allied faction if there are no other options? WD and FW rules or whatever are fine.

>>49292275
You gave up an army because winning was to easy...

WHERE DO YOU LIVE AND CAN I PLAY ORKS AGAINST YOU?

>>49293541
They're your models, anon. Blood Ravens or Dark Angels, paint them however you want.

>>49293641
Okay those do not look like Dark Angels. Unless all green SM = Dark Angels.

>>49293662
Yeah more like alpha legion I'd say.

>>49293678
Fuck's sake. Is the point of this that lots of SM look alike?

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>>49293424
>because people don't want to talk politics on the traditional games board, that must mean they support a literal criminal
Fuck off faggot. If you want to talk politics, go to >>>/pol/
This thread is for 40k.

What does a Demiurg look like?

>>49292564
3 Shotguns, 3 bolters, 2 frag cannons, 4 terminators with assault cannons and power swords, vanguard vet with at least 1 hand flamer
that's 8 d3 hits when they're charged, plus 4 assault cannons

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>>49293698
>40K
>not politics

>>49293721
An Ugly Lizard Dwarf.

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>>49293721
Heres a sketch by Jes Goodwin of what they might look like.

>>49293721

SQUATS

>>49293721
I do not know but Tau ship seem immune to ramming.

It was a sad day for my Imperial Navy fleet to discover that.

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What does a Kroot captain look like?

>>49293590
Roll a 3 on the strategic table.

>>49293793
Like a filthy xenos

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How much rage would I get if I used picture related as Seraphims?

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>>49293793

He must dress like a King. What about a cape?

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Does anyone know if the Inconceivable Customisation rule applies to the whole Henchman Warband in Kill Team?

>>49293815
In non GW stores? Probably not much. In an official store you won't be able to unpack one without getting them banned.

>>49293869
Jokes on you there are no GW store in my country!

On a side note, I bet no one beside the neckbeards would know what a SoB model looks like. I could just bullshit my way saying they are heavily converted GW models.

>>49293890
How's the joke on me? what joke?

>>49293233
>Sanguine Council
>Harness Sanguine on 3+, council shares Blessings that target the Psyker specifically

>Archcangels Orbital Intervention Force
>shoot twice or charge after deep strike as long as you don't scatter, Objective Secured

What chapter tactics should I use for loyalist World Eaters?

They're going to be claiming Ultramarine linieage in their fluff, but I don't think theirs fits perfectly.

>>49294088
>don't scatter
As in roll a direct hit or land within a beacon/homer so you don't scatter?
>or both?

>>49294101
Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Space Sharks

>>49294101
Minotaurs / Space Sharks

Black Templar if you're not using Forgeworld tactics

>>49294101
Space sharks

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How are the various 40k art books? I've seen pic related on the BL site. There's also The Emperor's Will, The Emperor's Might, The Gothic and the Eldritch, etc.

>>49294115
>>49294132
>>49294139

Space Sharks sounds good.

Does that say "Vidya" on the bottom leg? OMG

>>49293866
Every models is a separate unit in KT.

>>49294152
It's a reference to a character. Azariah Vidya.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Azariah_Vidya

>>49294167
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidya_(Knowledge)

Because knowledge is power, hide it well.

>>49294167
Still though... Holy shit my sides.

>>49294184
Somebody's easily pleased.

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Is Yarrick attached to a chimera vet squad a good idea for a hq?

kinda need something to spam orders around in the first line and atm i cant buy another chimera for my army.

>>49292709
As an ork player I have to agree. Some of the best ork art and modles came out of there.
>>49292731
Now that you mention it FW hardly paints any of there stuff on display.

Vanguard are veteran assault marines
Sternguard are veteran tactical marines
Who are veteran devastators?

>>49294358
The guys who get stuck in Centurion suits?

>>49294348
Not really, a squad in a chimera can't receive orders, you can only issue from one, so he'll only order dead squads anyway. Take a tank commander if you're running a chimera-vet list.

>>49294358
>he dosent know how marines train
it goes
scout->assault marines->devastators->tacs->vets->1st company vets

with cents being a sort of an alternative specialist suits

>>49294397
No, those are just regular devs. Just like how assault squad members drive bikes and operate assault centurion suits.

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I'd like to see the obliterator virus and cults spread. It would help give CSM forces flavor that deviates more from their loyalist counterparts. For examples:

Create unique daemon-fueled weapons for Obliterators to form. They've already started giving CSM ectoplasma stuff. Go more in that direction. Bring back the Kai Gun and other more varied daemon weapons.

Allow vehicles access to these daemon-weapons and/or an obliterator-like upgrade. Could require daemonic possession first.

Add an option to possessed allowing them to take a lesser form of the virus to represent those early in their transformation. Maybe it replaces their mutation chart for another.

Add and option for Daemon Princes where they may purchase the obliterator virus, allowing them to form ranged weapons in the same or similar way to obliterators. Could also grant 2+ armour save. Make it so that it cannot be combined with wings.

Favourite Obscure Loyalist Chapter? Why?

If they have official rules or models, they don't count as obscure for the purposes of this question.

>>49294432
Blud Ravens because that fits your criteria.

>>49294435
Nope, there's a Blood Raven in the Overkill box and Deathwatch Codex.

>>49294417
well, the idea was to issue orders when they get out the chimera.

but sure, i can also try the tank commander, as i already have one (even if that would leave me with a huge point gap to fill)

>>49294442
Also video games, novels, Index Astartes article, etc. Hardly "obscure".

>>49294432
Corpus Brethren

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>>49294432
Mentor Legion
I like the idea of a secretive chapter who tests out new gear.

If I were to start an army I'd use the Crimson Fist rules with lots of Sterngard and possible an allied unit of Deathwatch to represent them using fancy new tech.

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>>49294432
Death Spectres are kind of neat. Got a bit of mystery about them, doing some noble duty, all that good stuff.

>>49294432
Marines Malevolent. Because they were right.

>>49294432
Exorcists.

Or maybe DOOM EAGLES

>>49294432
Raptors
Oh no wait, thats an obscured chapter

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Should I nab the Eldar Start Collecting or look at that box deal with the Harlequins in it?

>>49294431

Easiest way to give CSM flavor is to update weapon options for tanks.

You have 10k year old heretics who still use standard Phobos pattern land raiders and other STCs? no hades autocannon sponsons? no ectoplasma cannon sponsons? no Baleflamer turret preds? Defiler still has all the same options as it had in 3rd (half are template or blast that can't be fired if you shot your main gun since they change how ordinance works) Hellbrutes have to follow loyalist Ferrum Dread pattern and have 1 gun minimum instead of saying it has two fists, here are some options, go nuts. They made up all these new things for 6th then left all the old stuff alone.

(Yes I know this is because they don't have gun models for them but it's one fucking upgrade sprue they could sell for 20$ it could have 7 guns and some sponson bits)

No variant Legion Astrates rule to show they are space marines but lack the same reasons for fighting? Let them always rally at full leadership and act normally when they rally. They can still be run down, break, and have to make the test to rally but they act like space marines.

You have 10 millennia for divergent evolution of tech and they just take the latest Space Marine codex and just strip all the rules add in daemon engines and call it a day.

>>49294768

Depends on what you have and what you want to play.

Are you new? Do you want to play Harliquins?
What kind of Eldar do you want to play?

All the start collecting boxes are good deals. You just need to look at whether they have the units you want to run.

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>tfw DE will never be good

>>49292436

Where did you get the mask

>>49294804

THE QUARTERMASTER, SIR!
IT WAS PROVIDED TO ME UPON COMPLETION OF BASIC TRAINING!
ISSUE #5422109-8a SIR!

>>49294803

Hey man, Codex: Corpsethief Claw is pretty good.

>>49294803
DE were amazing in 5th

>>49293725

So 13 models in total?

>>49293725

Throw a Razor back and a watch captain?

>>49294856

And then Chapter House happened and GE stripped everything from the DE codex that didn't have a model =[

So much lost, never to be recovered.

>>49294878
now you know how the chaos players feel about 3.5

>>49294771
I had an idea, how about giving all their characters +1 ws and +1 wound?
In exchange for having a mandatory leader tax and champion of chaos special rule make their leaders better. w2 cultist champions, ws5 w2 asparing champions and boost lords and sorcerers to ws6/5 w5/4.

Change marks to be an upgrade for the leader in exchange for a discount. 20 point upgrade MoN for the champion to boost the whole squad's toughness by 1, kill the champion to remove the mark.

>>49294821
Just ran that by the Administratum. They say the mask was issue #5422109-8b, not #5422109-8a. All life on your planet of residence will be purged in 13 seconds time.

>>49294442
>>49294564

oh shit like an actual Blood Raven pauldron?

I making Cyrus in his death watch days

>>49294910
That doesn't do anything for overall army flavor, though. Essentially your giving them eldar's aspect warrior gimmick.

>>49294910
>I had an idea, how about giving all their characters +1 ws and +1 wound?
>In exchange for having a mandatory leader tax and champion of chaos special rule make their leaders better. w2 cultist champions, ws5 w2 asparing champions and boost lords and sorcerers to ws6/5 w5/4.
Yes.

>Change marks to be an upgrade for the leader in exchange for a discount. 20 point upgrade MoN for the champion to boost the whole squad's toughness by 1, kill the champion to remove the mark.
I'd rather Marks become character upgrades and Chaos Covenants or Devotions or something are added as a replacement "squad" level Chapter Tactics analogue.

>>49293838
>implying any Kroot would ever be subjected to such a merging of machine and flesh without committing suicide

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>>49294924
There's a character and a pauldron.

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>>49294946
Yes, Eldar are the ones who started the whole "two wound squad leader with and altered profile."

>>49294948
>>49294910

Lords are 3w base and sorcerers are 2 base....

>>49294975
They also have the aspect warrior exarch bonuses.

>>49294946
Chaos space marines gimmick is they're forced to have characters in everything and they have to issue challanges, they're all about their leaders.

They're like space marines with worse troops and equipment but better, more powerful characters, in theory.

>>49294948
>>49294910

>>49295003
And Lords and sorcerers are already WS6/5 respectively

>>49292864
Poorfags gonna poorfag.

>>49294878

They removed units? As far as I am aware some speical characters were a removed which is common with any new codex. Even before this whole chapter house thing.

There are still Hekatrix Bloodbrides and Trueborns who don't have models.

>>49295020

Then why force them to dump all their squad upgrades on a character who HAS to put himself into harms way?

I'm not spend an extra 20 pts for a squad buff on someone who HAS to fight each combat and can't have wounds LOS off because of a challenge.

You're putting all the eggs in one basket then trying to hit people with the basket.

>>49294975
It used to be all veteran squad leaders had increased stats, beyond the +1A/+1LD you have today. Made taking special equipment on them actually relevant.

>tfw 2nd edition will never ever come back

>>49293301
Read the fucking rukebook where this is stated explicitly.

If you look at detachment and formation in the index it gives you the relevant pages.

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I was making this Imperial Navy guy but I just forgot how do i draw the Aquila
Post aquila and I will accept a request for 1(one) Anon

>>49292510
> during the heresy most of the Chaplains of the Traitors Legions were slain


Why the fuck there were Chaplains in the armies of the Imperial Truth?

Would Empurata take off as a punishment within the Imperium?

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>>49295098

>>49295098
They were originally psychiatrists and councillors.

Only later dd they become loyalty inspectors and religious leaders.

>>49292648
Literally who?

>>49294797
>Are you new? Do you want to play Harliquins?
yes and maybe
>What kind of Eldar do you want to play?
i'm a fan of lots of infantry with an objective focus. abusing the shit out of battle focus to avoid getting shot at

>>49295098
Shitty writing.

Sometimes they're referred to as "Wardens" and they're more like commissars, like in Fear to Tread.

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>>49295084

>>49295058
>You're putting all the eggs in one basket then trying to hit people with the basket.
Which is bad, so you can use it as an excuse to give them cheap, powerful upgrades.

How about a 'gift' system like daemons have, 5 points allow you to roll for a random upgrade for your character. Split fire, FnP/FnP+1, IWND, full BS overwatch, rending, poison.

>>49295098
because the beliefs of the space marines don't conflict with the Imperial Truth. The Word Bearers were the exception, and were chastised for it.

>>49295125
They actually haven't changed much, if at all from 30k to 40k. That's part of why the ecclesiarchy doesn't like them.

>>49295123
That doesnt... seem way related to church related names and symbols that the Emperor wanted to avoid?

>>49295142
>to roll for a random upgrade for your character
Fuck that. I play Daemons and CSM, and I'm fucking sick and tired to spending ten times longer doing my pre-game stuff generation than my opponents.

>>49295138
Thank you kind Anon
So, what drawing do you request from me

>>49295179
A plague marine

>>49295120

Empurwhat?

>>49295189
A particular chapter ?

>>49295193

Head and hands replacement surgery.

Hands become unweildy claws, head is replaced by a featureless box with only a single eye and no other details.

>>49295211
The Table of Contents

>>49295193
Based on a quick google search, it's punishment in Transformers where they replace the heads and hands of criminals with featureless, fingerless replacements. Which seems like a ton of work and a lot less useful than just making a new Servitor.

>>49295211
Go ahead with whatever you want

>>49295238
Ok

>>49295217

Criminals are sometimes made into combat servitors, yes.

>>49295219
>orkish infiltrator detected

Why do I have to take platoons? Why can't I just take my heavy weapon squads?

>>49295219

Those are the Ultramarines.

Party is about to take part in tournament to win favor from Iron Warriors warlord. Four different trials, Slaughter (kill a bunch of slaves, start killing bloodletters and each other until one remains), Glory (tell stories trying to outdo each other, poor stories are met with demon claws), Endurance (stay alive as long as possible in the garden of Nurgle). What do I do for Tzeentch?

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model / formation suggestions to a noob who wants to build eldar+harlequins?

Oi, anyone got a PDF of Imperial Armor 8, 2nd edition?

>>49295283
Why do I have to take bolter marines? Why can't I just take nothing but dudes with Meltaguns?

It would be cool if you could take Heavy Weapon Platoons as Heavy Support options.

>>49295297
something to do with sorcery. sorcery is easier than trying to do a bit on scheming
BTW, you should ask questions like this in the 40k rpg general, those folks are all over stuff like this and probably have better advice to give

>>49295297
draw a lord of change with watercolor

>>49295315
Unfortunately, none of the party is psykers (Heretek, Renegade, Forsaken, Chosen).

Do they ever create self aware servitors?

Just like, cut them off from their own motor controls but not actually lobotomise them so they have to watch everything.

>>49295366
how 'bout ... a riddle?

>>49295299
See if you can find someone to split Death Masque with, you get a good Farseer model in Eldrad and a bunch of harlequins.

>>49293577
Warlord Titan.

>>49295409
Yeah, I'm probably going to default to a riddle. Wrong answers are met with Pink Horror(s).

>>49292349
Looks sick in a good and bad way and daemonbikeprince is double sick... so well done.

>>49292349
That is beyond fucking radical.

>>49295372
Self aware machines are heavily regulated lest you want another dark age of technology.

>>49294114
As in don't scatter.

>>49294088

source?

>>49295283
It's just how the Guard Army works. The platoon itself is the troops choice, and what you do is you customize it with 2-5 infantry, 1 PCS, 0-5 Heavy Weapons Squads, 0-1 conscript squad, and 0-1 special weapons squads.

Your a horde army, so you get in a single troops choice more models than most regular armies put together. That said, it is typical to run with the minimum infantry squads, no special weapons squads, the PCS, and then your choice of Heavy Weapons Squads and maybe a conscript squad. The conscripts are for bubble wrapping and tar-pitting melee units (they need a commissar or priest, though) and the heavy weapons teams form the backbone of your firepower. Infantry squads are ok but not very specialized, while special weapons squads are overshadowed by Veteran Squads and thus generally ignored. As for the Platoon Command Squads, you want more of those when possible as they can double the infantry's ROF and allow your heavy weapons troopers to move and shoot on the same turn.

I just read through the 4 page AoS rules and the General's Handbook. I realize that this is as skub as hell, but I think they could import a few of the AoS rules to 40k and address a lot of the problems with 7th edition.

1. Formations cost points. A fucking obvious fix.

2. Summoned units cost points. Instead of free units, you get to do some mid-game list building/ deepstrike.

3. No more initiative stats. I'm biased though. I play Orks.

4. Monstrous creatures get weaker and slower as they take wounds.

I also prefer the start of game alternating deployment method.

What core rule changes would you like to see in 8th edition?

>>49295666
No more of this everything's a monsterous creature bullshit. If it's got a pilot its a walker. If it's a beast or a possessed machine its a MC. I don't care how "advanced" a side's tech is: If it's got servos you can jam them, if its got a crew you can give them whiplash, and if its got ammo it can be cooked off.

>>49295723
By that logic, then Space Marines are walkers because they use power armor.

>>49295752
You wear power armour, you pilot an XV-8.

>>49295666

>4. Monstrous creatures get weaker and slower as they take wounds.

The collective scream of autistic rage coming from the home of every Waac Taufaggot would be amusing

>>49295784

And low did their collective scream ring out at once and space split open.

A 5th chaos god was born, WAACFAGGOT!

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My local game store is having a 1500pt tournament for new players with the following rules:

"We will only be using 1 CAD for this tournament, no formations.
A LoW choice is allowed so long as it does not violate any of the following:
It has a larger than 5″ blast D Weapon.
It has a Hellstorm Template weapon with Torrent.
It has a larger than 5″ blast weapon that ignores cover.
Not a Super Heavy Flyer or Flying Gargantuan Creature or Gargantuan Creature.
It has a “Titan” stat line. We mean by this LoW that have a stat line similar to or better than any of the Titan class Super Heavy Vehicles (Warhound, Revenant, etc.), Titan class Gargantuan Creatures (Hierophant), or Daemon Lords.
No Super Heavy/Gargantuan LoW allowed for this event."

I'm coming back from 5th ed and I'm struggling to fit everything I want into 1500 points. My models of note are:
>2 basilisks
>3 hellhounds
>3 chimeras
>9 auto cannon HWTs
>6 las cannon HWTs
>3 missle launcher HWTs
>5 plasmagun guardsmen
>6 melta guardsmen
>2 commissars pw/pf ones
>2 priests with eviscerators that dont even exist anymore
>the psycher dude
>some arbitrary number of guardsmen bodies to fill out the blobs and vets
>some other shit that's even more useless than what I've listed like Rough riders and a scout walker

I dont have any lemon rusts or any of the good artillery or whatever those new storm troopers are called. I feel like I may have a chance with all the CHEESE thats been taken out of the rules, but I have no idea what little things would give me an edge. I need some direction and help.

>>49295666
>not wanting to chop up enemies at triple their reaction speed

you're no fun satan

>>49295784
>>49295821

The Daemons too, no more endless summoning for them.

>>49295845
>I literally only have a handful of Chimera-chassis vehicles and blobs of guardsmen
>what do I run for 1500 CAD only
I'm going to recommend some blobs supported by artillery and light vehicles. Put the CCS and PCS in the Chimeras. Get yourself an Aegis or build one out of scrap sprues.

>>49295778
No, you wear them both. It's a suit. You don't pilot a suit. You wear it.

>>49295924
Is it they legs moving the feet or controls?

They use controls, they pilot those suits.

>>49295924
A battlesuit pilot's limbs don't go into the limbs of his suit. Hell, he's referred to in-universe as a pilot.
>>49295898
That change would gut Daemon lists. The opportunity cost would just be way too high for it to be a viable tactic in non-casual games.

>>49295752
Except power armor is enhancing their actual movements.

Stealth suits are powered armor.
Crisis suits (and larger) are piloted.

>>49295933
The legs nerves are moving the feets. Same thing.

>>49295924
A space marine's isn't immobilized if you hit the servos in his power armor.

>>49295897
I'll admit I only like that one because of my "I2 melee race." Initiative as a concept is fine.

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>>49295924
>this is how you wear a suit

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>>49294432
Relictors

Because flat grey scheme and everything else about them.

Revilers are ok too.

>>49295986
He is if you explode his legs

>>49295845
No idea how well this will do but w/e should be fun atleast.

3 vet squads w/ special weapons and Chimeras to take objectives and other things
1 Infantry Platoon to screen arty and give you heavy weapons.
2 Basilisks
2 Hellhounds to go with Vets


Don't think you can take fortifications w/ a cad

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>>49296024
>this is piloting a vehicle

Know the difference.

Was the Daemonic Incursion edition of the Daemon Codex ever put in the mega?

>>49296008
Initiative was better in older editions.

It used to mainly be used for characteristic tests to perform certain tasks, and its only function in close combat was to break tied results.

>>49296058
>He is if you explode his legs

A battlesuit is not crippled if you destroy the pilot's leg.

>>49295666

I play Mechanicum and I am fine with everything except removing initiative.

There's only so much that should be simplified.

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>>49293122
That's some Chenkov shit right there m80.

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For the anon that requested a plague marine

>>49296102

You're right!
You just have a battle suit filled with Tau blood because they bleed out if you cut off their legs.

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>>49295845

that sounds incredibly fucking boring, so par of the course for a tournament then.

also the way that you went about explaining the restrictions for the lord of war slot is actually agonising and it made me wanna rip my eyes out by the time i got half way through

how about instead of all that nonsense that you posted, your LGS could have just said

>"lord of wars must also be independent characters."

or

>"no super heavy vehicles or gargantuan monstrous creatures of any kind are allowed"

now as for the list, I'm gonna tell you that showing up is an utterly hopeless endeavour because you don't have any russes or wyverns and you're gonna be molested by scatterbikes and webway portal D-scythe guard because those choices are troop and elite choices respectfully

>>49296139
That's pretty good mane

>>49296139

Could you draw a Daemon Toaster?

>>49296058
He's a 1 wound model. If you destroyed his legs with something that something probably killed him. Same applies for most results of a vehicle damage chart if applied to an infantryman. But your multiwound models are allowed to move freely without regard of rather important things like severed electronics, detonating ammo storage, or immobilization. Also, for all your defenses against being properly branded as walkers, I doubt your happy about poisoned weapons hurting your crew through a sealed crises suit.

>>49296188

To be fair, Tau get pissy when ANYTHING hurts their Crisis suits.

>>49296061
>One is sitting in a chair, staring at a screen, holding joysticks.

>The other is sitting in a chair, staring at a screen holding a joystick and tapping buttons.


Know the difference!

>>49296175
Like a machine that toast bread but possesed ?

>>49296024
Those are not the wearer. Those are extra help for the wearer help him with targeting and using the other weapon systems. The wearer of the Stormsurge is inside. Consider the guys outside glorified drones.

>>49296242
yes

>>49295098
Only in the Word Bearers were Chaplains religious positions. Originally, when they were the Imperial Heralds, Chaplains were those who told a world to come under compliance, or suffer the wrath of the Emperor.

After/during the Hersy, most chaplains in traitor legions were killed or simply stopped being chaplains if they remained loyal to the Warmaster, as the position of Chaplain was one where they decladed themselves loyal to the Emperor and acted as councilors, fonts of wisdom, and an inspiring presence.

The Iron Warriors, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves refused to accept the Chaplains the Word Bearers sent after the Edict of Nikaea, as the Chaplains sent were both to work as councilors for the brothers trained as Psykers, and to instill the traitoris Warrior Lodges.

The Iron Warriors refused, as they had their own secret club where all the Warsmiths and Grand Company leaders went and played Great Crusade and 30k, and so told the Word Bearer to leave, or else.

The Blood Angels refused as they had Sanguinary Priests already.

The Space Wolves refused because they too, had their own shamans.

After/durinf the heresy, only the Word Bearers of all the traitor legions kept their Chaplains, as they were of a legitimate spiritual importance to them, and held positions of respect and power among the Word Bearers, where they became known as Dark Apostles during this time and even in the 41st millenium.


Fun fact: Chaplain's armor has always been black with a Skull helm. Ever since the Word Bearers were the Imperial Heralds, and even during the Heresy did they remain that way.

A shame BaC doesn't give the Dark Apostle a skull helmet though.

>>49296261
Which means they can be shaken or stunned.

>>49295933

Tau battlesuits are connected directly to their spine/brain. In older fluff, there was something like "Battlesuit Psychosis" (I don't remember the term), where battlesuit users end up experiencing hallucinations and withdraw, to the point that they believe that they are still inside a battlesuit. You can imagine a Tau jumping off the hospital attempting to engage his rocket engines.

>>49296268
Do you want the Toaster wh40k style ? or just a regular toaster ?

>>49296043
Aren't the Relictors currently Excommunicate Traitoris because they kept using Daemons stuff and had like half their chapter possessed?

>>49296291
Fascinating.

>>49296311
Can you shake or stun a regular suit? No? Then you can't shake or stun a big suit.

Size doesn't matter. It's still a suit.

>>49296311
Apparently not.

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>>49295933

An XV8 Crisis Battlesuit pilot sits in a foetal position within the central torso section of the Battlesuit, and pilots the Battlesuit through a neural link that connects the Fire Warrior’s brain to the Battlesuit's control interface through a monofilament needle inserted through the back of the head. This disrupts the nervous system of the pilot and temporarily disconnects the body from the pilot's brain from the neck down. The Battlesuit control system then interprets movement signals from the pilot’s brain as the movements of the Battlesuit’s body, effectively making the Battlesuit the pilot’s new ‘body’.

In theory, damage to the Battlesuit unit, whether it be through the lopping off of limbs, the firing of bullets into the chassis, electrocution, burning, or the "beheading" of the primary optic sensor, will not cause pain or discomfort to the pilot inside. However, veteran Battlesuit pilots have been known to develop ho’or-ata-t’chel, which are sympathetic ghost pains and phantom reactions to external damage. This condition is also known as Battlesuit Neurosis, and can cause serious problems in the lives of Battlesuit pilots outside their Battlesuit. Fire Warriors have been known to be so traumatised at losing their Battlesuit's sensor cluster "head" that they have spent months in a psychosomatic coma. Some Battlesuit veterans at the end of their careers may also develop quirks such as trying to fly without their Battlesuit, or not being able to understand why they walk or move properly in normal life when their Battlesuit was damaged.

>>49296338
>Tau battlesuits are connected directly to their spine/brain.
so are dreadnoughts

>>49296291
This seems a bit amiss, as Sanguinary Priests are Apothecaries, not Chaplains. BA still have Chaplains; they lead and maintain the Death Company.

>>49296389
Eh, I went by memory, but iirc that's what the fluff said.

>>49296261
>The wearer of the Stormsurge is inside.

[citation needed]

>>49296389
Remember anon, in 30k there was no Death Company, only Red Thirst. Black Rage only came about after Sanguinias died.

>>49296372
honestly pretty cool
still think tau should be in another game though

>>49296400
Storm of Damocles. It has a part where you get to explore a Tau Stormsurge training facility where they train Stormsurge teams.

>>49296354
>Aren't the Relictors currently Excommunicate Traitoris because they kept using Daemons stuff and had like half their chapter possessed?

Their officers use Daemon weapons yes, though the librarian and chaplains keep a vigil on them ready to end them if they are posessed.

They ended up excommunicated and going into the EoT, there's argument whether it was fleeing or simply going after the source of Daemon weapons and a daemons/traitors to used them on.

Tau Crisis are not classified as Walkers because a faction that spams walkers to no end would have been overpowered in older editions, when vehicles were a bigger threat.

>>49295054
yeah but they're basically veterans or elite versions of basics, so you can make with bitz.

The loss was
lady malys
satonyx
everybodies mancrush, duke muddafukkin' sliskus

and for some gottamn reason, asdrubael vect. That still confuses me. it had an official model, old as fuck, sure, but still.

Also some minor shit got worse, (soul stone, huskblade) and your options got more limited,, but that's true for a lot of codexes.

>>49296454

Back in older editions Tau players actually took things that weren't suits, like Kroot! Imagine that!

>>49296484
Demiurgs mini when ?

>>49296503
When people show sufficient interest for Tau subraces, so buy up the entire stock of vespids and FW kroot beats.

>>49296454
and also because keeping track of 15+ different walkers would have been a pain in the ass

Just a shame they made riptides and stormsurges monstrous fucking creatures instead of vehicles like they honestly should be.

>>49291925
>>49292390
>>49292662

Traitor's Hate
https://mega.nz/#!a9JDkRhB!cX0ITtZqW055eaSRmn7a3n-kLb8hbAzatsBJb7aaisA

Deathwatch
https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!2tgBUTYI

The Deathwatch one is Warhammer 40,000 > Codex and Campaign. Thirteenth down. I know this has been posted, but people are still asking. Tell me if it doesn't work.

>>49296372
>trying to fly without their Battlesuit

hahaha jesus thats hilarious to think about.

>>49296484
Kroot are scout denial units that fill up mandatory troops slot, vespids are the ones that you never see on the table top.

>>49296526
>grizzled tau warrior
>veteran of a campaign spanning multiple decades. one of the most decorated warriors of his unit
>... jumping up and down in place outside of the barracks while his comrades look on with mixed expressions

>>49296525
>epub

>>49296101
>and its only function in close combat was to break tied results.
Fuck me, thank you. I'd been trying to remember what it did in earlier editions for fucking ages. Could remember how WS/A were used, but could never remember where I came in.

>>49296576
>2016

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>>49296516

I wonder if the failure of the Vespids is the reason why the Tau never got any new xenos auxiliary besides Kroot. There's Demiurg and Nicassar in Battlefleet Gothic, but still...

>>49296604
>current year

>>49296372
Where would you draw the line /tg/, personally the Crisis suits already look like they're as much of a piloted machine as a sentinel is.

>>49296644
Anything larger than the Stealth Suit is a walker.

>>49296576
>>49296604
>>49296640
Well, it looks better than pictures, and has the rules the leak missed. It's also great for phones. I don't really see the problem.

>>49296644
i think we should assign "MC" and "vehicle" types based on balance rather than fluff since at this point GW has shown they have nothing to do with how the model looks, what with giving tau mechs MC even if there is a pilot inside but making dinobots vehicles

>>49296437
A co-op mech horde/objective video game where you play as Farsight and The Eight would be pretty fucking rad. Only problem is that everyone would want to play as the broadside and the riptide guys.

>>49296627
>Nicassar
Is there even any art of what they're supposed to look like? I didn't even know about them until the recent DLC beta for the video game since I didn't play BFG tabletop. I tried finding more about them online but could barely find anything.

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What's a good color to go with gold ? I'm planning to repaint my marines for my own Chapter and I'm trying to plan it out. The main color will be gold (Retributor Armor base) but I can't decide on a secondary color.

>blue
Too much like Ultramarines and Sigmarines
>red
Already taken by Blood Angels
>dark green
I thought I might use Caliban Green for non-gold elements and details but I'm not sure if they go well together ?

>>49296736
Purple cloaks.

>>49296704
are there tau in the new 40k third person shooter? eternal crusade i think is the name? they should be if there isn't, like i said i don't really think they fit in 40k per se but they're right at home in a game like that

>>49296736
dark green imo (like dark angels green)

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>>49296729
>>Nicassar

>>49296729

Jervis Johnson described them as "sort of like very flat polar bears".

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>>49296736
Black is fine. Auric Patricians are great.

>>49296762
This x100000

>>49296766
>are there tau in the new 40k third person shooter? eternal crusade i think is the name? they should be if there isn't, like i said i don't really think they fit in 40k per se but they're right at home in a game like that
I don't think so. It's mostly just marines, chaos marines, orks, maybe eldar and recently 'nids - so, the big four "main" factions and 'nids. Tau haven't been in a video game in a while now. I think the most recent official thing was just the battlesuit commander DLC in the survival mode of DoW2: Retribution.

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>>49296736
Well, I'd have suggested red, (there's ways to do it without making stuff look like blood angels, BA don't make a lot of use of red vertical stripes for example,) but if you're set against red then how about a nice emerald green like pic related?

>>49296766

If the Tau ever get into Eternal Crusade, it will be in a DLC/expansion.

>>49296762
I like you.

Write 40k in the style of William Shakespeare.

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>>49296803
Battle fleet gothic armada will have the Tau.