Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>49286385
https://sli.mg/a/kikYv2

Yes, there's literally a pact that turns you into a voluptuous panther-person who submits sexually to only male authority figures.

It's awful, like the fuck were they actually thinking.

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What are some good backgrounds for a Zweihander Sentinel with Elemental Flux.

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>>49286385
No, it's the "degenerate fetish-fuel magical realm that also includes a kitsune" edition, which is not better by any means.

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>>49286421

I don't see what's degenerate about about the Lovecraft one in particular but why a fucking kitsune? What the fuck do kitsune have to do with anything non-Japanese, let alone Lovecraft?

>>49286421
Also the ritual for binding it involves you getting sexed.

I mean, the Mother of Monsters' ritual also involves you getting sexed and jacks up the size of your sexual organs, but it doesn't turn you into a furry, so it's instantly far less objectionable.

Hell, it doesn't even require you to be female, that one, so it's Mpreg!

>>49286444
Because Augunas's fetish is anthro foxes and he refuses to let it go. He's totally not a furry though.

>>49286444
>What the fuck do kitsune have to do with anything non-Japanese, let alone Lovecraft?

The guy who wrote the book is a notorious furry who loves loves LOVES Kitsune.

>>49286444
Didn't you hear? Kitsune are the source of all the mythos stories, despite it not making a fucking lick of sense.

>>49286421
And one that's all about being an old lady that rapes little boys, and one that's all about the scat, and one...

It just went ON and ON and ON....

People crossed the magical realm, but at its very ends, they were warned by things far worse than the whizzard;
>No, anonymous friends. Do not go past this point, for there lies only depravity
>What depravity could you possibly speak of, magical realm
>and there, beyond the cliffs of what the fuck, beneath the bowels of FATAL, lay this book.

>>49286458
>I mean, the Mother of Monsters' ritual also involves you getting sexed and jacks up the size of your sexual organs, but it doesn't turn you into a furry, so it's instantly far less objectionable.

Wait a second, Lamashtu's ritual can give my character a horse-dick?

>>49286470
That's like when folks such as Rick Santorum tell you they know just how disgusting gay sex is because they think about it more than anyone, and that's how they know they're straight!

>>49286493
From the sounds of it, literally.

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>arcane kitsune
Ear and tail fur are always in delightfully clean, conditioned, soft, untangled, and freshly scented condition. Thank you, Prestidigitation!

>non-arcane kitsune
Ear and tail fur get unkempt, matted, smelly, sweat-drenched, sticky, tangled, and dirty with just a few hours of adventuring.

Why would you ever settle for a non-arcane kitsune?

>>49286421
Wasn't that one already in the original book?

Isn't this just a compilation?

>>49286493
Maybe it's a horse, maybe it's Baragon, maybe it's toadstool's mushroom.

>>49286458
The ritual for binding the one that turns you into a tittymonster furry doesn't involve sex.

>>49286548
Not the ritual itself, but once you've actually done the ritual, the like. Manifestation or whatever it's called.

>>49286571
JESUS FUCK you're right

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>>49286519
>>49286541

Hold up, is this from official Paizo material or is this from that new book that's getting posted in the threads? Because I thought the only rituals available to Lamashtu involved butchering people or willingly fucking a monster with the express purpose of getting impregnated.

None of that involved getting a floppy donkey dick.

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>>49286442
Is there anything wrong with this at all?

>>49286385
Hey /pfg/. I wanted to convert the unusual races from the 3.x books Mythic Races and Races of Evernor. Any advice?

>>49286593
This is a 3pp thing of pact magic that Augunas worked on.

It's not actually Lamashtu, just the spirit called 'The Mother of Monsters'

And while bound to her, your sex organs increase in size as the physical sign.

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>>49286593

>>49286698
Ah, I misremembered her name. Ah well.

>>49286589
There's also Fey Baraddu, whose personality influence is basically turning you sex-crazed, forced to sexually pursue anyone you find even REMOTELY attractive.

>>49286603
Theoretically no, I can see cat-centaur polymorph thing being written by a non-furry, but the fact is it was.

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This feat is pretty weak for a level 8 feat...

But it look fun as hell...

>>49286698
The fuck is with that third totem bonus?

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>>49286698

>Your sexual organs are drastically enhanced in length, size and girth.
>You must create children at every opportunity

I need this, getting corrupted into a horny human with a monster dick is my thing.

>>49286734
It's just constant Unseen Servant. Doesn't seem amazing considering how little you can do with that spell

>>49286737
that's not even the worst thing in that book

>>49286759
I think it's for Divine caster who doesn't have Unseen Servant naturally.

Arcane Caster would probably just use Heighten Mount > Alter Summon Monster for a better 16 hour long servant.

>>49286759
>how little
Well, SURE, if you've got gullible partymembers.

But not all of us are that lucky, and this feat lets us invisibly hold dead horse heads next to the king's face when he wakes up, put high explosives into position and light the fuses, set up locked-room murder mysteries... all those things YOU get to just go "hey bill, wouldn't be awesome if you.."

Costs us a feat.

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>>49286732
Sphinxtaurs are love though.

>>49286811
Anon, you can just make a mask to let you be one all the time. Assuming your GM allows custom items.

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>>49286444
Because they're part of the Great Race of Yiff.

>>49286732
>>49286811
You know, it would probably be reasonable to model them after the sphinxes that already exist (gyno/androsphinx, etc.). It wouldn't be totally unreasonable for them to be large, though maybe medium with powerful build would be more appropriate for a PC race.

We're talking about a playable race, right? If not, can we talk about that instead?

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>>49286747
I'm right there with you anon.

>>49286798
Also it can lift 60lb of weight. Good for screwing around with Halfling/Gnome/Goblin.

>>49286870
Dude. That's a Lamia, not a Sphinx.

>>49286759
At the very least an Unseen Servant can be used as a tactican nuke by holding a bunch of pressure-plate bombs and then being ordered at a distance "let go".

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Here's the furrymaker, by the by. Its manifestation involves you getting sexed whether you want it or not.

He's not a furry, honest.

He's just a degenerate who can't keep his dick out of his works.

>>49286893
At this point, the conflict between modern uses of lamia and what lamia actually are is plenty excuse to make them whatever the fuck you want.

Yay, freedom! Right?

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>>49286870
>not bipedal sphinx
Shit.

>>49286939
Put it in the proper grading bin. The trashcan.

>>49286945
That's just your generic anime catperson then. Perhaps with an egyptian theme.

Not saying the egyptian theme doesn't improve it, but come the fuck on man. At least TRY.

>>49286945
>implying I care how many legs you put on your own homebrew race

Girl, you can have whatever you like.

>>49286870
I'm not of the opinion centaurs of any kind make good PCs. And sphinxes absolutely need to stay rare.

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>>49286964
With wings!

But quadrupedal is better. Should they be big for you?

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>>49286945
Did you mean "A Maftet"? Because That sounds like a Maftet.

Actual sphinxes or bust. Sphinxtaurs are a stupid meme.

>>49286870
I did a Sphinx PC race a while back.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y7eoXhQWU9TxBou4VNE0bhjoxHSbdiXobk3rv59p8Rw/edit?usp=sharing

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>>49286994
Reply hazy, ask again later.

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>>49287178
Well of course. Any thread starting with
>Pathfinder General /pfg/
Is doomed to fail

>>49286385
Fuck you, OP.

>>49286385
This new book is abhorrent. The world is a worse place for it existing.

Think of any game in which turning into a big titted furry would work, like any game at all where this would be a thing that you could do on a regular basis without it negatively impacting the game.

If you can think of one, you are almost certainly the author of this book.

>>49287372
Now see, big tittied furry is at least able to be looked past.

I mean your character could have been a big tittied furry beforehand, and it's mostly a visual aspect in a largely nonvisual medium.

I feel like Fey Barbadu or whatever his name is' personality influence is worse. It just turns you sex-crazed. That's action, not visual. Far more disruptive, I'd say.

>>49287413
Ah, well the one that turns you into a voluptuous panther-girl also makes you want to fuck people. Just as long as they're men in power. You completely ignore women in power.

>>49287178
Failed at what? If we intended to get into tirades about muh women and talk overly fondly about furry races then we succeeded. The secret to success is to not attempt anything too difficult.

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What class/archetype is the astronaut of the pathfinder world? You know, the cool kids of the arcane

>>49287435
'Men in Power' is a lot narrower of a scope than 'literally fucking anybody you find even the slightest bit attractive'

>>49287471
Wizard.

>>49287474
Well yeah, but it's still just as bad. You can find any small group and find a person in power among them. That shop over there? The person running it is in a position of authority over their employees.

>>49287471
Probably Arcanists. They get the best bits of both types of casting, AND swanky magic shit only they can do because they're SOOOO COOL.

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>>49286913
>catboy conquered every tribe in a 100 mile radius before he was 12 years old

Would you waifu this badass catboy?

>>49287511
No, because he makes you into the waifu.

Hence the discussion.

>>49287511
No.

Especially since that implies such affections would be returned. Which is not the case.

>>49286913
>>49287511
>conquers every tribe
>badass fighter
>gets killed by angry moms

'K, sure.

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i just started a pathfinder game and the gm only wants to use the core book so i wasnt allowed to use cavalier
i said fuck it and went with paladin because i was dead set on my Don Quixote build and ill be damned if rules get in the way of my fun

so i need help getting my character optimized
how usefful is a lance if not on horseback
(i have a horse but cant bring it into the crypt we have to explore)
dm says i use it at -4 to hit
is this true? can i do anything to make it viable off my horse?
also i could really use some recommended pally feats

>>49286421
Is there a download all option for this shit?

>>49286986
I agree with the latter, but the former I would counter with the fact that most centaur races aren't really built with the intent of being player races in the first place.

I have always enjoyed using them as NPC guides/recurring allies, though. It helps when there's a reasonable stat block to use, though would it be interesting to develop a centaur template?

>>49287015
Nnneat.

>>49287577
Just save the webpage and all the pictures'll be in a folder there.

>>49286737
I thought that wasn't too bad a request for a mother of monsters ritual, but then it has sex with you. So it wants to bone you with your children watching. Why such blatant fetish fuel?

>>49287572

Your DM hates you and is intentionally gimping you because a Paladin threatens his undead encounters.

A lance does not give a -4 off your horse, get a greatsword (or the first available skeleton sword) and go back in just to balk at the DM's next attempt at ruining you.

>>49287596
I just don't see centaurs adventuring with other PCs. A reclusive NPC race is all well and good.

PC sphinxes is retarded.

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>>49287654
It's less "adventuring with" and more "tour guide for this quest".

>>49287660
>that ceremony
Literally, I can jack off and summon her and I'll still get a massage.

BRB spending way longer than needed summoning her.

>>49287625

Three children means you've made more life than you'll take out when you and a partner dies.

Having them watch is meant to desensitize them to freaky sex stuff so when they're old enough to make babies, fucking the wolf-man doesn't seem like that weird of a demand.

>>49287678
That's fine.

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>>49287660
This all just gives me the heebie-jeebies

Odd, the thread's labeled /pfg/, but it's a F.A.T.A.L. thread....

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>>49286913
If this guy is male, then why does he turn you into a catgirl and demand that you pursue all other males with romantic interest?

Does he approve of only het cat sex?

>>49287682
>>49287691
Don't forget that you're constantly groped for the duration of the pact!

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>>49286490
>And one that's all about being an old lady that rapes little boys, and one that's all about the scat

Which ones are these? Post pics.

Does anybody have a copy of the Occult Adventures playtest with the original version of the Medium, with the Harrow deck-theme? I'm doing a rebuild of the Medium class as a thought exercise and I want to compare it to the original playtest version.

>>49287572
>Cavalier
>Paladin
Don Quixote is a swashbuckler.

>>49287660
Almost every one of these is sexual in nature.
Who writes this stuff? Is this what happens when you have no standard lore to draw from? Everything is based of fetishes?

It's like the entire book was written by going down a big ass list of porn tags and writing vestiges for each one.

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>>49287572
Pretty much everything >>49287650 said.

The lance shouldn't give -4 unless you aren't proficient with it, and paladins are proficient with all martial weapons. Get a greatsword if the GM pushes the -4 thing unless you're a girl.

As far as feats go, Power Attack is the only one you'll really need, maybe some of the mounted charge feats if your GM is going to stop being an asshat about a paladin in an undead dungeon.

>>49287755
He said core-only so it still doesn't matter

>>49287768
I would point out a minor thing in his defense:
Pact Magic and the whole binding etc thing is based loosely on Goetia, and every 3/4 of the Goetic demons are specifically noted to do things like 'make the woman fall in love or lust with you' so if you're gonna blame anyone, blame old Solomon or 14th century Italian occultists.

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>>49287660
>>49287682
If she constantly gropes and massages you, does that include your hands?

That is SO lewd!

>>49287819
Yeah, but Wizco managed to make a whole book of actually goetic spirits without falling headfirst into f-list bullshit.

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>>49287650
>A lance does not give a -4 off your horse
i suspected as much, is there any rules that state that so i can argue for off horse lance work
though you may be right, he will probably just house rule it as he mentioned that lances are fragile and will need to make a saving throw or break when used
>get a greatsword (or the first available skeleton sword)
it's my first pathfinder game care to elaborate on why these 2 are op?
>>49287755
>Don Quixote is a swashbuckler
im roleplaying a jousting knight who has severe brain damage from a horse kick to the head

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>>49287790
>your GM is going to stop being an asshat about a paladin in an undead dungeon.

i think if he cared that much he would have let me role a caviler instead of a paladin
the whole game isnt going to be about a crypt it's just the first mission we are undertaking

>tfw your DM makes you roll Diplo but still determines the outcome by RP

Why do people do this? Why are social skills the one skillset we have to ACTUALLY have before we're allowed to use them in the game?

I'm bringing a padlock next session, and telling the rogue he has to pick it for his next Disable Device check to count.

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I can't find the old lady one but have some incest instead.

>>49287846
>it's my first pathfinder game care to elaborate on why these 2 are op?
Skeletons' swords are actually going to be terrible, but anything that doesn't give you a -4 to hit because of a bad DM is better than your situation.

Greatswords are great because they have the biggest damage die of any easily available martial weapon (2d6), plus a 19-20 crit range and their status as two-handed weapons, which are objectively better than any other type of weapon except a bow because you add 1.5x your Str modifier on damage rolls with them.

>>49286421
Why is it missing random pages? Don't mind the 'this is a R P G' section, but dammit feats are feats!

>>49287930
Look, you try writing a 100 spirits and not mentioning incest once, it's probably really hard.

>>49287996
That's like naming ten things that aren't Jackie Chan.

>>49287784
And the /ss/ lady?

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>>49287932
ok cool ill grab one soon
right now im mostly using a longsword since ive mainly been fighting skeletons so far and i know pierce doesnt work well on them

how do i tell my dm that lances are not at -4?
is there any source i can point to to back my claim?

>>49288070
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/lance

>>49287846
Your GM has to prove his claim not the other way around.

If there is no rule specific saying Lance attack at -4 off the horse, you use normal weapon rule.

>>49288059
The description is vague enough that I have no idea which vestige it's referring to.

>>49288070
> Core only
> DM hate martial

Go full caster (or do Paladin/Sorcerer). Ruin his day and all his plans.

>>49288070
Longswords actually don't work well on Skellies either. You need a bludgeoning weapon to deal full damage to them.

>>49288100
huh no "fragile" descriptor either
>If there is no rule specific saying Lance attack at -4 off the horse, you use normal weapon rule
so ill just swap my shield for a buckler and use that bitch 2 handed

thanks guys

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>>49287930
Is this one really so bad?

Hey, quick question to anyone who bought this, can you please control+f the word 'anthropomorphic', because so far the list of things that I've found that turn you into a person animal is like 6, and I want to make sure I'm right here.

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Pactmakers are a firmly Dex/Cha class.

Why aren't you playing a huli jing pactmaker who drains people's life force from sex AND makes pacts with sexy spirits?

>>49288179
Fragile quality also doesn't make you roll saving throw. It get auto broken condition if you fumble on your attack roll.

You GM sound really shitty. He probably shouting "m..muh realism" when you try to argue with him.

Why is there no game setting set in the Tiger-Haded Opium Nightmare?

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>>49288059

>>49287790
>>49288292
Oh and "fragile" quality came from Ultimate combat. So your GM is really shitty on you if he only allow you to play with Core but conveniently using stuff from the other book when it suit him.

Hi /pfg/, two quick questions. One, is there already an item that is basically a keyed Plane Shift to a specific plane? I know there are cubic gates, but I was thinking of something lower level and just for transporting the one person.

Two, I could have sworn I saw a spell in Ultimate Intrigue that basically let you talk at a table (like in a tavern) but your conversation wouldn't really be intelligible to people around you. It wouldn't be silenced, it would just be background noise they wouldn't try to focus in on. Am I misremembering, and if not does anyone know what the spell's name is?

>>49288351
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Witchmarket%20Coin

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Young Krios lets you permanently shrink creatures' heads, setting their Int, Wis, and Cha to 2d6.

Couldn't you IMPROVE the Int, Wis, and Cha of animals and beastly monsters this way?

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>>49288245
Because I'm planning to play a pessimistic Tengu Spiritualist who is literally possessed by a spirit of Zeal and determination and yet somehow has so little ambition or confidence that he has to be goaded into making something of himself by the party.

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Why do all of the 1d6/binder level damage abilities suck dick?

There are LEVEL 9 spirits that do nothing but 1d6/binder level damage for major abilities!

>>49288444
Because putting in blasting abilities is a good way to both reassure the wizard crowd that binders are just doing silly damage, and something to fill space for when you need to kill things without going overboard.

>>49288444
The annoying thing is that I would totally use "You Are Now My Panther Tittywaifu's" powers. Being able to use that untyped touch attack in a full attack looks nice.

I said fuck it and rebuilt the Medium to make it somewhat less useless. It gets 6-level casting, loses the stupid location channeling abilities, and gets a familiar. As well, some of its abilities are now less useless. Spacious Soul lets you channel TWO spirits at once, so you can totally channel both the Archmage and Hierophant spirits to get moar spells, or the Marshal and Trickster to get more skills, or even the Guardian and Champion to make the Fighter cry like an anime fan on prom night.

I might consider giving it some sort of Martial Flexibility-lite ability, letting it pick metamagic feats for the Archmage/Hierophant spirits, combat feats for the Marshal/Guardian, and... some other kind of feats for the Marshal/Trickster.

anyways, here you go. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QwizRjfkg0inFpMqG22lHdIcIRt9glXY_SyAdFJv-wU/edit?usp=sharing

Rip me a new one if you want, I did it because I was bored.

>>49286421
>https://sli.mg/a/kikYv2

Aza'Zati = makes you greedy and others perceive you as a age category younger

Achaelous = makes you a codependent personality disorder

Cave mother = infantilized a ghoul

Coralene = likes you to dress up as a trap

Eos Dei = you features become child like

Hollow Eyes = you lick people to greet them

Foxglove = you indulge in ALL carnal desires

Salendrios = you tip your fedora

Iona Ophid = you must thoroughly sniff everyone

Sybee Rose = constant hands rubbing you and she likes when you fuck in her seal

Vandrae = she likes when you castigate victims, you must humiliate or emasculate any man you encounter

Anajira = turns you into a voluptous female anthropomorphic panther and you must pursue all may figures of authority

Fey Barradu = you must sexually pursue anyone you find remotely attractive

Gulguthriana = shit goddess

Omlan Atlan = likes fucking in his seal,

Beast that Births = genitals grow in size drastically

Saint Alexandra = you must seek to please others and go along with their suggestions unquestioningly

Can whoever is posting the pact magic stuff throw up the summoner options in the book? I wanna know if I can make a spiritual eidolon.

What kind of game should I run?

>>49288633
Something that makes good use of the Occult classes. Preferably set in a city that has brewing tensions between arcane and divine casters, but have psychic magic on the sidelines as an up and coming force, and have the overarching plot be about how theres gonna be a war between arcane and divine- but, drop hints that it's really a rogue psychic faction that's wanting to start this war so that they can take over. Maybe let the players be an investigative force composed of an Arcane caster, a divine caster, a psychic caster, and an alchemist for all the variety. Make it a murder mystery as the players try to figure out who is behind the increasingly-violent riots and attacks. Something like that.

kinda new to pathfinder, and made this character for my sisters campaign she's running. Do you guys see any glaring mistakes I've made or anything? feedback would be greatly appreciated. The other people are playing Inquisitor, Unchained Rogue, and Gunslinger.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yz5gTS93me0aVVI01wHQWfv40q5vCtvfaqmYXrGT6Hk/edit?usp=sharing

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What are some good items that can protect a vampire from the sun for at least a decent amount of time In Spheres of Power

Does Darkness shield them?

>>49288712
That sheet sucks and isn't anywhere near as responsive as it should be.

>>49288748
is there a better one?

Does Eldritch Archer combine well with Hexcrafter? I like the idea of at will Sleep arrows.

>>49288720
It would.

And if I recall there's things in the Nyctomancer's Handbook that specifically references Vamps.

It's still in playtest, but yaknow.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zHRZyaMh_QwWcQ-ROGCjQyCdflD6cbm9VdEOJMpC06I/edit?usp=sharing

>>49288384
Perfect, I can re-fluff this to be a bit more ordinary and not have the user worry about accidentally falling through it, perhaps letting them reuse it too... Appreciate the help anon!

>>49288795
>Sleep Arrows
doesn't work that way, senpai. You can cast curse-descriptor spells through spellstrike, but not outright Hexes. That said, hexcrafter and eldritch archer go together like cookies and milk already. Cursed arrows are pretty radical. However some curses (Ill Omen) take effect automatically, so attaching them to a ranged attack that might miss can actually be a step down. Same for Bestow Curse, which normally only requires a will save.

>>49288720
If you're using anything that isn't in Spheres of Power, Penumbra spells can help too, either the cantrip version that Paizo "dummied" out of Ultimate Magic and have listed on their site, or Protective Penumbra from Ultimate Magic.

>>49288815
Ah I see. I misread the Hexcrafter to think that you could deliver hexes through spellstrike, but now I suppose that if you could, the archetype wouldn't be compatible with Eldritch Archer.

Are there any archetypes/class features that change spellcasting stat besides Sorcerer's bloodlines?

And Scarred Witch Doctor

>>49288838
No non-sphere magic, it seems. I did look up the penumbras. Though if Darkness blocks it, i can probably just get it on a wand with a juiced up duration for pretty cheep.

>>49288856
I really wish there was a Wis-ard, if nothing more than for the pun.

I hate caster supremacy. Is there any reason for me to play Pathfinder? I've run 3.PF for a long time but have over the past two years abandoned it to do other systems with groups that are willing to try new things. Is there any reason to come back, or should I stay far away?

>>49288872
Spellburst Savant?

>>49288757
An online version would be Mythweavers. I use it, and find it does well enough. Also toughness is awful, if you intend to keep it then you should retrain it at level 3.

>>49286421
>Yes, there's literally a pact that turns you into a voluptuous panther-person who submits sexually to only male authority figures.
Wait, what?
Which one?

>>49289045

See >>49286913

>>49288961
none. nope. nada. null. nill.

>>49288961
If you want to break that, maybe Path of War?

>>49288961
I guess if you want to replace casters with Spheres and throw in Path of War. Easier just to get a new system, though.

Are there any good resources for a new pathfinder GM?

I have been drafted as the GM for a group and have never tried this before. I'm sorry if this is an inappropriate question, but I'm a little nervous.

>>49289100
>>49289124
>>49289110
Right, I suppose that's understandable. I've read this general for a while out of curiosity, but I guess it's good to hear it from other people. Thank you for your help!

Was Overwhelming Soul really the RESULT of open playtest feedback, or was it the result of it being ignored outright?

Someone off in starfinder is actually claiming it as an example of good playtesting. The mere notion of overwhelming soul being great boggles the mind.

>>49289811
Which Overwhelming Soul are you talking about?

>>49289033
What feat would you recommend in its place then? It just seemed that clerics might need more health considering I'm always going to be in melee. Once again, i'm new to pathfinder so any help would be appreciated.

>>49289830
Overwhelming Soul is the Kineticist CHA Archetype.

The one that "protects you from burn" by literally disallowing you from doing things that would take it, and giving you a weaker overflow replacement to go with it (since you have no burn).

So, you go from CON to CHA
You CANNOT accept burn and can only use abilities if you can, say, gather power to reduce their burn to 0
If you are FORCED to take burn by various factors or effects, you instead get negative levels
And you get +1/+1 damage to kinetic blast (but not blade forms, etc that don't apply the damage bonus of overflow) instead of the +1/+2.

It does nothing for your elemental defense either so that'll stay stuck at 0.

>>49289830
The kineticist equivalent to
>This archetype shields you from the accuracy penalty of power attack
>You are not allowed to take power attack, but in exchange you can't use combat expertise or things derived from it either

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If you had a psychic armory player who invested in spawning tower shields, would you allow them to throw the shields down to provide cover to other people? Or just create walls to block spells and create choke points?

>>49289970
I'd be very reluctant there, because the tower shields are almost certainly only replacing one or two of the weapon types, which means the PsyArmory is still working at full capacity, just now also providing cover.

Walls would fucking break things; control over Line of Effect and Line of Sight, especially once you throw in immediates, is the kind of total-battlefield-control shit we bitch about Tier1s doing with solid acid fogs and shit.

I'm going to retire my level 10 Sorcerer for an Arcane Trickster (we're playing Kingmaker and my Half-orc Sorcerer is approaching middle-age).

Should I go..

Unchained Rogue 1 / Wizard 3 / Arcane Trickster 6

or

Unchained Rogue 1 / Wizard 5 / Arcane Trickster 4

The first one give me more Arcane Trickster good and probably let me use capstone ability by the time we reach the final boss.

The second one give me Fast Study and Aether Elemental as improved familiar choice.

>>49289955
Omnikinesis doesn't work with it either but it doesn't get replaced.

Go look through the forums for the OA playtest thread, you can probably find large amounts of bitching about it being useless followed by no changes whatsoever.

"it was playtested" means nothing if the devs look at the suggestions and tell you to fuck off.

>>49289955
>>49289966
No it's shit. What metakinesis is what allow Kineticist to be viable.

Without overflow and metakinesis, you're just a 3/4 BAB fighter (complete with "weapon training").

>>49290052
955 here, I don't think we were in disagreement there anon.
I thought I was being fairly sarcastic in my praise of it.

I want to play a winter witch!

Is there a spell that let me create snow/ice or water in witch spell list?

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So is this motherfucker a sacred fist or what?
>No Armor
>Skin can turn to iron
>Blood crow strike projectiles
>1 million tackles
How do I aegis reflector?

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It's happening, /pfg/.

Our tristalt game (yeah, you fucking heard me) is going mythic.

I have no idea what's in store for us next, but it's gonna be fucking crazy.

Oh, and our armorist//something//soulknife popped the one big encounter of the session with a first-turn crit.

>>49290052
>>49290045
You'll notice one or two idiots claiming that damphir kineticists have unlimited burn with overwhelming soul, but they're not reading it correctly: You CANNOT choose to accept burn, so you CAN'T use all those abilities "that become negative levels which you're immune to".

Plus, it's energy drain not negative levels (which you could get from an unfriendly alignment magic item for example) that they're protected from if I recall.

So the one "build" for OS is actually a bullshit lie. Anything OS can do, regular kineticist can do better.

Take that in for a second. "regular kineticist" can do better. That's like saying Core-Only-Monk is better in every way in comparison to some other class or archetype.

It's just THAT bad.

>>49290132
Tri-stalt? Mythic?

What the fuck

>>49289811
The complaints when it was first unveiled were
>It just seems like a normal kineticist could get the same effect (mostly not getting burnt), by not burning himself except for elemental overflow and filling internal buffer. Seriously, wouldn't the end result be basically the same? Overwhelming Soul seems to be less of an archetype that grants you abilities than one that just takes abilities away.

The answers to exactly that comment were pathetic. "If you love burn this is more of a niche archetype, for you". This shit was being sold on a "crossbows are simple weapons, silly" level of patronizing ignore-the-problem-and-pretend-its-something-else

I literally cannot trust my party but I am loving the campaign. Is there a way for my animal companion to perform stableize checks like feeding me a potion st bernard style?

>>49290154
>>yeah, you fucking heard me

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>>49290211

If it's intelligent enough and can manipulate the item properly. A dog would have issues with opening the potion, a crow might be capable of it... Otherwise it's a learned trick int-wise, but you still need like, working limbs.

I'd say if the animal's stated as one able to do somatic or material components they should be able to pull it off.

Turtles on the other hand not so much.

Pic related cannot feed you potion, but may make it much less likely you needed one to begin with.

>>49290240
Its a big cat

>>49286385
Why is that rabbit hugging a canary?

>>49290246
It's going to bat the thing around, break it, and look at your dying body with that "it was like that when I got there" face they do when you catch them having knocked a bowl from the counter they're not allowed to be on.

>>49290240
use a stuffed cloth instead of a cork to close the bottle, a dog can pull it out with its teeth.

>>49290132
You know you can't post shit like this and not give a story?

Like what are you even fighting that warrants 3 separate classes plus mythic?

>>49290246
>Its a big cat
For whom?

>>49290280
Anon pls

>>49290270
Deities with the "legendary actions" system added to them ported from 5e maybe?

Or maybe the armies they fight start with CR= in numbers totalling 3-4 times the party's numbers

>>49290288
That's fine too

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>>49290270
It started out as gestalt, originally.

Then, to make up for us fighting these fucking void monsters that deal damage to everything that they come into contact with, including us and our stuff, harness fully ignored, we were handed a soulknife archetype of our choice through story moments.

Most recently, we encountered a kraken version of void monster, and a tristalt mythic orc (the one who was 1HKO'd).

To be honest, the mythic wasn't even gonna happen, but the GM drew a line and one of the players just fucking leaped across it with a grand old "Fuck You" smile on her face.

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>>49290288

>>49290305
We're in a gestalt ourselves, and everyone basically went PoW and the like.

There's a crafter putting out over 200DPR, and supposedly that's "holding back to fit the concept" with shit like vital strike.

The optimization level is basically high enough that people can just fuck around.

>>49290325
Pretty much what our game is gonna be like, except it's fucking tristalt and mythic.

I'm physically quivering at this, I'm not sure if it's anxiety or anticipation.

It's just so fucking stupid but also so fucking awesome.

>>49290336
Is it epic, too? If not, it has to become epic. Embrace the silly.

>>49290341
We're level 4/MT1

>>49290336
Add corruptions, but no chance of NPCification.

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>>49290305
>>49290336
>>49290353

Is there any reason at all to run mythic tristalt and not just higher-level gestalt?

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>>49290372
If by "higher-level" gestalt you mean character level, we're getting there, ever so slowly (we denigrate to roleplaying out menial things quite too often).

If by "higher-level" you mean "quadstalt" and above, please don't encourage the GM, he reads this thread.

>>49290379
Tell your DM he should give you a free Vigilante talent every level, too.

>>49290372
>>49290379

>not running undestalt so a player can play a character of every PHB class

>>49290379
>quadstalt
Why stop there? Why not be corestalt: every class in the PHB.

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>>49290379

Listen, you're probably never getting to level 20 in mythic tristalt. Like, ever.

So why not just run level 8 regular gestalt or something?

>>49290402
>>49290405
>that fucking hivemind
also
>implying any of us are using PHB classes

Hell, I don't know that any of us are using 1pp classes...

That thought has been passed around, though. And, thankfully, thoroughly dismissed.

>>49290406
Because we started with 3rd level and are enjoying a really rocket-tag-y game that focuses more on roleplaying than pumping out numbers in combat.

>>49290406
It was planned to be a low-start gestalt game. The tristalt was a surprise sprung on us as a conceit of the world: the enemies are basically made out of antimatter, so to avoid touching them, we were all blessed with a soulknife tristalt. Now, the level of stuff getting stacked on us is slowly becoming a meme, and he's playing to it. I fully expect to be double mythic hectostalt inside six months.

>>49290132
The something is Hedgewitch.

>>49290405
None of us are PHB classes in any of our parts. Not counting the soulknife bits, we have a Hedgewitch/Armorist, a Warlord/Aegis, and a Royal/Summoner.

>>49290429
Good, then adding Corestalt will give you all the same amount of new shit.

What the hell is platinum gestalt?

>>49290211
>>49290269
>>49290240

why not potion sponge?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/goods-and-services/containers-bags-boxes-more#TOC-Potion-Sponge

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>>49290424
>>49290425
Then... why not just give the party more levels?

>>49290503
Because we're still in the process of gaining XP to level?

Dude, you're asking for sane explanations of an insane situation, just accept that it's hogwild and either bask in whatever your responsive emotion is or ignore it.

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>>49290425
>the enemies are basically made out of antimatter, so to avoid touching them, we were all blessed with a soulknife tristalt

Or the GM can just say "Yeah your magic weapons and spells should do fine against them."

Because magic weapons are what mind blades fucking ARE.

>>49290512
Tristalt mythic is basically "your sheet is filled with useless bullshit," and it's especially pointless if you're low-level jackoffs anyway.

>>49290542
Okay, so are you mad that we're having fun in a way that you don't like, or are you mad that you don't get to have a game like this and your envy is projecting itself as hate?

'Cause it's 4am and you're pretty mad for someone who is taking offense at people /having fun/.

>>49290524
Mind blades are DISPOSABLE magic weapons. Magic weapons are still eaten away, but with soulknife, you can just make a new one after.

>>49290495
So 3 int mr meow meow fuzzyface can open your mouth and make you eat the sponge?

>>49290542
>>49290559
It's true though, I'm ignoring like half my options at any given time so my HEAD doesn't explode

>>49290559
I'd much rather play in mid-level gestalt than low-level mythic tristalt.

Like, seriously, what's the fucking point of doing "supah high powered" but then going "but you're actually still low level dickweeds"?

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>>49290559
>>49290560
>>49290576
Adding in mythic to tristalt is especially stupid because you have so many options but too few options to use them on.

PoW and Spheres are, like, totally unsupported by mythic. You're getting dicked over for no reason.

>>49290576
>not picking your abilities to work together so that your shorter list of options are massively improved

>>49290579
Well then, it's a good thing you aren't in the game with us, since you're having such a bad time by proxy.

None of the combat so far has made us feel like low-level dickweeds, even the time my character ate 24 damage to the face fighting that antimatter kraken.

>>49290560
"So hey guys, in this setting, all of your characters have the magic power to sheathe your weapons in mystical energy that stops them from getting disintegrated."

Wow, so hard.

No need to slap soulknife tristalt on all of them.

>>49290600
>None of the combat so far has made us feel like low-level dickweeds, even the time my character ate 24 damage to the face fighting that antimatter kraken.

Then congratulations, you're the equivalent of mid-level characters under a GM who's retarded enough to not just run a mid-level gestalt game.

>>49290616
>you can't possibly be having fun!
>but we're having fun though
>WELL THEN YOU'RE STUPID, STOP HAVING FUN!

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>>49290616

>>49290627
>>49290634
>two posts defending this retardation exactly one minute apart
Samefag detected. Go suck your DM's dick until he stuffs a free prestige into you too.

>>49290627
Sure, but don't go around bragging that this makes a decent game, or anything.

What's next, icosastalt (20 classes) with mythic tier 10, but you're all level 1?

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>>49290645

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>>49290662

>>49290649
>translation: don't come here telling us you're having fun, because it makes me feel bad that you are when I'm not

>>49290569
probably better than it can do with a potion vial.
Cat stuff dead mouth in people face all the time anyway.

Trying to stat an npc that somehow manages to be relevant in combat while being 4 levels lower and also a mesmerist because of reasons.
Anyone got any tips here?
I mean the gaze will be helpful for the casters in the party and doesn't require them doing anything. There are tricks that don't require saves, not a lot of them, but there are some.
Something like keep up the gaze and Compel Alacrity every turn sounds like the best they can do. Which is kind of sad.

>>49290814
Make them mythic tristalt.

>>49291047

Make them mythic hydrastalt

>>49290814
Are you trying to make a challenge for your players, or are you trying to stat a cohort?

>>49291052
Make them hydrostatically charged.

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How should a kitsune treat their fox familiar?

So what does everyone think of the Divine Lariat from SoP:E?

>>49291241
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dd4HqNOA4U

>>49291292
i am so confused

>>49290560
Why not just fucking shoot them?

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What the fuck, /pfg/. >>49291360

Is this what you Pathfinder fucks do?

>>49291410
Well duh, I'm not just gonna let my half decade plus of system mastery go to fucking waste. Pathfinder's already lost the top spot to fucking 5e, you think I'm going to let it fall any farther? Fun is a zero sum game, and I'm hoarding all of it in here that I possibly can.

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>>49291430
You sound like an autist.
I'm not joking.

>>49291436
... that reminds me of Loran....

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Alright, which one of you guys was this?

>>49291432

Fess up.

>>49291476
>not IMMEDIATELY recognizing it as 2hu in disguise
Newfag.

Suppose that I can convince my GM to allow me to take Leadership. What are some fun monster cohort I can take? Blink Dog seems with its quicken Dimension Door, but what class would suit it? Cleric? Paladin?

Can someone explain all the lingo?

1pp and gestalt / tristalt / mythic / epic etc etc?

>>49291559
1pp - 1st party publisher/published. Paizo shit.
gestalt - game where PCs level in two classes simultaneously
tristalt - three clases
mythic - basically just a higher powered game

>>49291559
>1pp: First party product. In this case, anything Paizo's put out.
>3pp: Third party product. In this case, anything Paizo's not put out, like Path of War and Spheres.
>Gestalt: A character that progresses two classes simultaneously
>Tristalt: A character that progresses three classes simultaneously
>Epic: in 3.5, any game that progressed beyond level 20. In Pathfinder, supposedly replaced by...
>Mythic: a set of rules for adding even more power to your games, somewhere between epic level and divine rank in flavor and function

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Okay /pfg/, what has been the character you've had the most fun with, be it mechanically or in roleplaying?

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>>49291682
On both ends, it has to be my ZweiSent Warder. Lockdown, the ability to defend myself or others, and a build properly set up to solo linnorms made the whole thing a blast.

Roleplaying-wise, she was sort of the party mom, always keeping an eye on her party members to make sure they were happy and healthy, and berating them when they did something stupid; not out of anger, but concern. It's not a position I'm in consistently, so it was interesting to try out. Think I might do it more in the future.

>>49291682
Both mechanically and in roleplaying, its gotta be the Living Legend.
There's just so much stuff to roleplay, and its fun as fuck to play too.

>>49291682
Fey Adept, with every single talent sunk into Illusions. Some of the funnest shit I've ever played.

(It's basically a Shadow Illusion specialist, for you non-spheres-users out there.)

Only time I've ever been able to laser focus a character and not have it bite me in the ass, because shadow illusions can do SO MUCH STUFF.

>oh no, we fell in a pit trap! let me give us ILLUSIONARY WINGS so we can just FLY out!

>oh shit a horde of orcs! ILLUSIONARY WALL!

>we need a spell I don't know and can't fake? let me just make an ILLUSIONARY SPELLCASTING COMPANION who DOES know it!

>>49291682
Mechanically, my psyarm. It's just a really nicely developed class and a lot of fun to build. Too bad the one I got to play only lasted one session because the GM pulled the plug on the game after that.

Roleplaying, probably my huldra and her familiar. She's got a lot of WEIRD FEY BULLSHIT going on, but she's also found a group of weird-ass mortals she's happy to spend time with because they keep surprising her at every turn.

>>49291740
I'm playing a Fey Adept also and I swear to god they didn't playtest anything about Create Reality, because the RAW is vague and the RAI is unclear, in so many places, about so many things. What caster level are the other sphere effects created at? How do Permanent Image and Create Reality interact?

Fun fact: by RAW, your illusionary conjuration companions are in fact fully sapient. You're creating and destroying minds every time you use it. Someone asked Meyers whether that was intended, and he called it an "edge case". Because a specifically-defined class feature of a core Spheres class is something they never thought people would use, apparently?

>>49291682
Tech-Warsoul/Aegis. Firepower was blindly pursued and the charisma skills are horrible.

>>49291682

Mechanically and roleplaywise it would have to be a longsword-focused ZweiSent played as an obsessive scholar consumed by his research into the occult.

>>49291807

Have you ever seen Rick and Morty? You're basically creating Mr. Meseeks.

>>49291841
"Hey, Mr. Meseeks! Could you cast Remove Curse? None of us have that prepared!"

"OOOOO! CAAAAAN DOOOO! I'M MR. MESEEKS!"

>>49291949
Mr meeseeks would probably be more of a utility eidolon.

>Hey Mr Meseeks can you scout ahead please?
>Hey Mr Meseeks can you disarm that trap please?
>Hey Mr Meseeks can you Craft some wondrous items please?

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>>49288622

How do I play a loli oracle without it seeming -too- obvious?
Note: Nobody in the party would object to this

>>49291484
>in disguise
I don't see anything disguised about it.

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>>49292308
Have PTSD

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How viable is it to make a soulknife and build into throwing shit?

>>49292445
Psychic armory from Psionics Augmented: Soul knife is just that

>>49291410
In all seriousness, anyone who likes PF enough to do that for the game can't be a regular in this general.

We're all jaded fucks who hate the system and may have found our own methods of enjoying it but wouldn't wish it on anyone else.

>>49292477
Cool, thanks anon.

>>49292181
Ay Occultistfag can you throw up the new Occult Scholar?

Occultistfag, can you put up the info on the knowledge tasks that keep getting mentioned? I want to know what has to been done there.

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Is there any way to prevent an Alchemist's Bomb ability from provoking an attack of opportunity? I'd like to try to get a somewhat melee-range blaster viable and the Grenedier seems like a great start so far, but the built-in AOO for a Supernatural Ability is kind of crippling (Nevermind the ranged attack aspect).

Like, would Bombing Defensively be a viable alternative?

Can someone remind me which Paizo APs are considered actually decent?

>>49288351
I have memory of a slightly different spell
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/silent-table

Also worth noting is http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/spell-lists-and-domains/spell-lists---bard
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/codespeak

>>49290137
I mean, I'm pretty sure that somehow, EVERY 1pp Kineticist archetype is a downgrade. I'm actually IMPRESSED that paizo managed to pull that off, come to think of it

>>49287768
>Who writes this stuff?
August "Not A Furry" Augunas

>>49287768
>Is this what happens when you have no standard lore to draw from? Everything is based of fetishes?
No, it's what happens when the book is written by that guy who jacks off under the table.

Deliquiscent gloves...
Do these give me touch attack or is it just extra damage from existing touch attack?

>>49293060
You always have a touch attack, just most of the time it doesn't do any damage. With the gloves you would now deal 1d6 damage.

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Wouldn't it make more sense to play as a female Drow refugee than a male one?

>>49293079
Thanks! Now I know what my Rogue need.

What are your thoughts on base classes that only have a few levels, as in no more than 5?

>>49293088
Why would the ruling class want to leave?

>>49293102
There's a place for them as race classes.

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So, the subsystem's ruleset always had a 'levels of pact magic' listing similar to the gun rules and always had a blurb about 'you can discover or research spirits I guess' they finally gave us a ruleset for it.

But at the same time the system always had gnostic tomes which were explicitly costed items that detailed how to bind certain spirits

>>49293159
>want to

That's not how you say "fleeing assassins hired by her sisters"

>>49293102
Paragon racial classes from 3.x worked that way. Survivor was a short prestige class that could be entered fairly early with the right build Not that you would want to.

>>49293162
Obviously the subject at hand is non-race classes.

The typical 3aboo everyone

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>>49293336
>He only uses 1pp

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>invested in a character and the world they're in, really like all the NPCs they're connected to, greatly enjoy the story
>Party is shit and game feels like it'll fall apart at any moment, GM is good but is clearly just desparate to avoid shit falling apart
>Make meme character for silly side game, no effort, no connections IC, and barely avoiding being a murderhobo via morality pet(s)
>Game is never not enjoyable, players are all fun to be around even at their worst, GM is always excited for the next session

Why tho

>>49293401

Tell us more about the first game!

How many people can ride on a Huge animal?

I want to use polymorph familiar on my bunny and turn it into the party transport. It's cooler than just using Teleport...

Is there a chance that the pdf version of new Pact Magic book will be shared any time soon?

Anyone have a spell manager they like that allows you to add custom spells and hopefully has a database of Pathfinder spells already?

>>49293387
That's a different anon. I'm talking specifically homebrew since the idea of classes with 5 or 10 levels makes people sperg like they've never sperged before

>>49293401

Keep the second game, encourage the DM to get a new party for the first.

>>49293401
>Be in an ongoing campaign for almost a year now
>Think it's a safe bet to invest more, write a 15 page short story about my character's past, upbringing and relatives, since the GM had wanted to tie the plot into it more
>Yesterday a post-session conversation concluded (on pretty civil terms admittedly) that the GM was struggling too much balancing encounters for the game's powerlevel, and their story planning and writing was suffering as a result, so they decide to indefinite hiatus/retire that campaign

Ultimate sadness

GM has offered continuing my PC's story as a 1 on 1 thing for a bit and I'm willing to try it out, so it's not all bad, but still

>>49286421
Why are so many of these furry or sex things?

>>49293519
Ok, chaos did die as well.

>>49287930
I don't see incest in this.

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>All these shit spirits
Why can't we have like:

Bro Dudeus
The Bro Spirit

Totems:
Drink a beer.
Drink a beer with a friend.
Maybe some good food too

Ceremony: Pull out a lawn chair and drink some beer.
Manifestation: Bro Dudeus appears from behind you when your beer is gone and hands you another.

Signs and Influence:
Physical Signs: Nothing really. It's your body, dude. Maybe if you want some touch ups we can work on that. Y'know, get a workout plan going for you if all that adventuring isn't keeping you fit.
Personality influence: Makes you a better bro by having a bro around you.
Favored ally: You, dude. Your friends are pretty cool too
Favored Enemy: Fetish spirits. Not cool, dude.

>>49293704
That's awful too

So who's down for an ERP game where everyone plays a pact magician of some sort?

>>49293585
Because the author is a pedo furfag.

>>49293844
I'd totally be down for that.

>>49293407
Honestly, I'd rather not go into any great detail. I want to preserve the remaining excitement for sessions I have. I will however say: fuck entitled fullcaster and summoner players. Stop whining about being useless because my alchemist has better knowledge checks than your 12 Int summoner you whiny little shitstain holy fuck you do this EVERY SESSION.

>>49293844
I'd do it in order to present a portfolio of all the fucked up shit shit that Argunas has created.

>/pfg/
>no /5eg/
Dedication is a virtue.

>>49293844

I would play a worshiper of the Mother of Monsters in an instant.

Give us a time and I'll try to make it!

>>49291098
Like a fleshlight.

>>49293154
HOLY FUCK IT GOT BUFFED?

My gestalt occult scholar | void prophet is now very happy. Thanks!

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Okay, so we're all agreed, that for Pact Magic it's best to remove most if the Spirits past 4th level, and replace them with either conversions from 3.5 or homebrewed ones?

Perhaps some anons should make some non overly fetished ones and share as a homebrew?

>>49294140
It feels like a sidegrade/downgrade to me - you can't SAD Charisma any more and you are giving up more than the constellation aspects.

>>49288611
I played a Binder pretty often in 3.5. Aren't these for if you FAIL the binding check? Which you don't do often?

>>49294216
Failing a binding check is more common in PF.

>>49294216
Implements of Binding aren't a thing anon.

>>49294205
The solution is to brew all 72 demons of the ars goetica as spirits.

Occultbro, can I see spirit imps?

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>>49294276

>tfw a catalog of Goetic demons would be less horrifying and overtly sexual

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>>49294386
There is a lot of overlap in their abilities though, which is annoying.

>>49294419
>>49294276
There's also the problem that a good amount of them are already Archfiends in the base 3.pf cosmology

>>49286421
I am upset about the following:

>Where are my Demon-Eyes?
>Where are the Cyclopes?
>Where is my unbound Witch?
>Where are the Anima Spirits, elemental and sinful and virtuous?
>Where is the Outer Darkness and the spirit-jammers?
>Where are the podforms and the Ravaged Sea?
>Where is the Covenant?

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>>49294478

>>49294645
Thank you! Any chance on seeing how useful/not the spirit imp is? I hope it has the whole imp/brute/steed/wraith progression via feats.

>>49293454
Anyone?