Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

If Genn "I will build a great wall and make the Forsaken pay for it" Greymane is supposed to be Trump, then does that make Sylvanas Hillary?

>>49281602
every woman in Warcraft is Hillary
>Tyrande's shrill, obnoxious voice
>Jaina "so what if I abandoned the Broken Shore? What difference, at this point, does it make?" Proudmoore
and Sylvanas of course

>>49281602
>>49281675
Genn "my people are homeless hobos near extinction but let's start a pointless war anyway" Graymane better not be what Trump turn out to be.

>>49282141
He won't because Genn is actually a leader.

>>49281602
Genn Greymane isn't Trump because Genn is occasionally capable of acknowledging he might be wrong.

>>49282141
>Trump gets elected
>the Democrats unleash the plague
F

>>49282604
I could see them doing that.

Was someone talking about a three-faction system some thread ago?

I know one side was made up of all the titan forged, anyone remember the others?

And as a brief aside, would you give up dranei for mogu?

>>49283332
it was probably something like
>Titanforged: dwarves, gnomes, humans
>natives: tauren, trolls, elves
>aliens: orcs, draenei
but that doesn't really make sense

mogu and draenei are both really cool, if Blizzard wanted to give the mogu a unique model they could have easily been a great new race

>>49282596
>there has been a president ever that said they made a mistake
How fucking stupid are you?

>>49283889
No, he's point out that Trump doesn't admit his mistakes and doubles down on his own stupidity to the point that it's just numbing.
But this /pol/ shit doesn't belong here.

>american politics

So, I've kind of asked this here before, but I'm brainstorming again so I'm going to ask it again.

If I was trying to run a campaign that captures the feeling and magic that made WoW good, where on the Warcraft timeline should it be set?

I was originally going to set it in vanilla, but re-reading a bunch of the lore I realized the plot of vanilla WoW was not terribly interesting. The weird Lo'gash shit felt campy as hell and the rest of the world seems focused around generic hordes of monolithic bad guys being evil for the sake of evil.

What do y'all think?

>>49283933
>But this /pol/ shit doesn't belong here.
yeah, at least thinly veil the /pol/ shit as thread related

btw the Legion is invading Azeroth because of an offensive Youtube video and suggesting otherwise or trying to stop them is hateful and bigoted, the Horde is the real enemy

>>49283975
I would say Vanilla because most of what's there is generic, but it's simple and can serve as a foundation on which to build a proper, more fleshed out campaign story.
Burning Crusade is fine, too, but that felt like it was building up to a climax battling evil Illidan, whom we now know dindu nuffin wrong.

The later you go in the series, the more convoluted it gets and the more bullshit you have to keep track of.

>>49283975
>The weird Lo'gash shit felt campy as hell
that was from Wrath
>and the rest of the world seems focused around generic hordes of monolithic bad guys being evil for the sake of evil.
this describes Cata better than vanilla

the reason vanilla is good for adventuring is because there wasn't an overarching plot. In BC we knew we were going to fight Illidan and the Legion, in Wrath we knew we were fighting the LK, in Cata we knew we were fighting Deathwing. In vanilla you just had a bunch of fucked up countries trying to scrape together enough to survive

>>49283975
Everything seems to be taking place within hours of each other, so I wouldn't worry about it too much, other than when you wan it relative to the cataclysm.

>MFW i finally found out where the shit my hidden artifact skin is
>it actually isn't doing retarded crap in the sewers of dalaran.
nice.

>>49284052
>that was from Wrath
It was, but it has its roots in vanilla conflicts.

>this describes Cata better than vanilla
It's also very true for Cata but fuck Cata.

Vanilla seems too, for a lack of a better word, vanilla. The challenge of survival lacks any real interesting conflicts. It's just about gathering resources.

>>49283978
>implying both legion and horde aren't the enemy
The legion made the horde invade azeroth. That doesn't make the horde any less of goat fucking child rapists.

>>49283889
>there has been a president ever that said they made a mistake

There've been plenty, actually.

>>49284392
Who has admitted their mistakes, which possibly cost people their livelihoods?

I have yet to hear the Clinton apologize for the legislation that incarcerated the most blacks in the country alone. Pretty sure they doubled down on that.

Have yet to hear Bush apologize for the war in iraq which wasted american resources and lives for the next 12 years.

I have yet to hear Obama apologize for the rhetoric that's enabling more police violence and rioting that is predicated upon a misreported lie. I also have yet to hear him double back on when he propagated advocacy research about the wage gap which gave legitimacy to bullshit anyone with two brain cells knows is a crock.

>but anon, there was some shit in the 1920's that no one living gives a shit about
>but anon, raegan apologized for mispronouncing a leppo

My point is that the neither party will acknowledge anything that cannot be spun, minimized, or deflected as a mistake. For purely political posturing. You would never hear anyone admit that their campaign platform was a mistake. Ever. Raegan would never say his economic package was a mistake. Clinton would never say the war on drugs was a mistake. Bush would never say the war on iraq was a mistake.

>>49284705
Will you admit to your mistake of spamming up a perfectly good warcraft thread with /pol/ shit and kindly fuck off?

/pol/ for political discussions
/v/ for video game discussions
/vg/ for video game discussions
/lit/ for the novels

Are you going to actually talk about Warcraft /tg/ any time soon?

>>49284735
Will you admit your mistake of making a real world allegory unsolicited and then getting flustered when it balloons into something you didn't want to?

>haha, like the clinton assassinations
>actually blah blah blah
>bruh, I was just making a shortsighted shitty political joke in a context where it's not fair to challenge me on it

>>49284735
Don't respond. Just report and ignore. He's just going to keep spouting memes and misleading talking points just to get a response.
The only thing to do is report and ignore.

>>49284823
>there are only 2 posters in the thread
>there's no way an outsider thinks this argument is dumb and just wants me to fuck off with /pol/ shit and talk about warcraft

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>>49284868

>>49284983
I just thought that maybe if I paid enough attention to him, he'd get enough screentime for us to have a proper troll racial leader

>>49285120
>implying there will ever be a proper troll leader
you goys had Vol'gin, then he ate it, now enjoy going back to irrelevancy.

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>>49284983
I'd feed certain trolls, the ones with tits and vaginas to be exact

>>49283597
>>49283332
>Old gods: Voidtards
>Burning legion: Sargeras and his legion of retards
>GLORIOUS SCOURGE: The living dead, soldiers of the cold dark.

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>>49285243
>One of the original inhabitants of Azeroth. Not made by the Old Gods, or the Titans. Didn't fly over on a space ship or warp in from another world. They ran this shit.
>Leagues of interesting lore, characters, and history, including some of the most bizarre magic and religions that are all their own and can't be linked with other existing magic types or deities.
>Trolls have always been my favorite race. From the tribal voodoo culture, to the endearing as fuck accents, to the just plain neat design of blue elephant elves, to riding fucking velociraptors as their beast of choice.

>A significant portion of every expansion is specifically dedicated to driving them to extinction
>So ignored in the grand scheme of the WoW they might as well be blue orcs with a funny accent. To the point where they don't even get their own starting area until Cata.
>Vol'jin, true friend of Thrall, significantly powerful lore character, and otherwise invisible background character FINALLY has the spotlight cast on him
>Only to be fucking shanked and die like a bitch expressly so Sylvannis can look almost maybe kind of redeemable, so it might not be as flaccid a twist when she fucks up again. Basically jobs so the banshee queen can have a decent promo for summer slam.
>Meanwhile someone's edgy OC Varian gets a full send off of his brave and noble sacrifice, punks a felreaver, knocks some demon heads around, and tells Gul'dan to suck on his big gay ponytail.

What the fuck does Blizzard have against us, man?

Did their original designer fuck Metzen's wife or something? Why do they just hate trolls so goddamn much?

>>49286232
I love the trolls, but they're basically there just to be raid fodder once an expansion.
Like the Legion, but less threatening.

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>>49286480
He tried to change that anon, and 5 murderhobos ruined it.

>>49286653
actually only 1 murderhobo ruined it

also Arthas being a retarded faggot

>>49287728
Yeah my mistake thought he was offed in Grundark for some reason.

H-Here's hoping someone has the PDFs...!

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>>49286232
Reminder that not only are jungle trolls cunning and badass, but they are also fuzzy and thus the perfect texture for cuddling.

>>49284144
Which artifact, anon?

This is a /v/ thread and belongs on /v/

>>49286480
Sure, but their raids are always great. And 8 or 9 years later and they still have the best patch trailer.

>>49289657
That's because trolls are bad ass.
It'd be nice if we could stop killing them all.

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>>49289273
This is a necromancy thread it belongs on /schol/.
Get the helhiem out of /dal/ this is a mage board.

>>49289934
>mage board

Are you sure we're not on /fel/ right now? Seeing a lot of Warlocks here.

>>49289934
>>49289992

Both of you need to get off the Titan basket weaving board.

>>49284760
Are you saying we should discuss the RvB nature of the horde and the alliance on /pol/?

>>49289992
maybe you're just paranoid, mortal... I mean friend.
definitely no warlocks here

>>49285814
>>GLORIOUS SCOURGE: The living dead, soldiers of the cold dark.
suffering status:
Rare [ ]
Medium [ ]
Well [X]

Is it just me or is there gonna be leadership issues in the Horde?
There's no real significant Troll character after Vol'jin other than Rokhan, who is just a skilled soldier, not a leader.
Saurfang is fine and all leading the orcs, but he's old and heirless. Nazgrel has been stuck in his faraway post in Thrallmar since TBC and is long irrelevant, Drek'Thar is the same, but old too. Nazgrim is undead now, but it would put the Ebon Blade in a terribly screwed up place, consiering that Sylvannas likely has something against them after they raided Undercity, and even if he's back, orcs ain't gonna take that well that Nazgrim's tomb got desecrated. To boot, Nazgrim is half-insane and raided Light's Hope (risking alienating the Horde's paladins).
We need new storylines for a potential orc and a troll leader and we need them soon.

>>49291810
Broxigar will fly out of a portal at the end of the final raid of Legion to one shot the last boss and take over the Horde

>>49291810
I've mained a Belf Prot Pally since BC came out. Payed close attention to the lore the whole time (which is why I dislike Cata so much). I switched to maining an Unholy DK for Legion because I couldn't deal with how little fun Prot or Ret are right now. When I had to fight Lady Liadrin I was genuinely upset.

>mfw still have my very first male human warrior from vanilla

>>49291887
>When I had to fight Lady Liadrin I was genuinely upset.
playing through Legion as a Horde death knight drove me insane
I started off as a true believer in Thrall's plan to forge peace between the factions. But the Broken Shore, the class campaign and Stormheim slowly made me realize that the living will never cooperate, they'll never hold together in the face of oblivion, they'll never resist the subversion of the Legion. Only the dead can do that. Only an army of the dead can stand against an army of demons.
When I attacked Light's Hope, I'd lost all faith in the living. I was ready to destroy them. with every stroke of my blade I relished the terror and confusion of the crusaders as they were betrayed and slaughtered by their former allies. Even though the attack failed, it was merely the first shot in a war. The war that will end the weakness of Azeroth's people in the face of armageddon.
The one true king comes again, and I will lead his soldiers in the war that cleanses Azeroth once and for all

>>49291965
I wish I did, but I switched account 3 times.
I RP my worgen warrior as the same guy that got back to Gilneas after defeating Arthas just in time for th Cataclysm.

>>49291825
That's retarded. It would be like a reverse Varian for the Horde


It's gonna happen.

Who will be the new racial leader for trolls?

I think there's potential for whatever remnants of zandalari to finally admit that instead of enslaving loa and attacking anyone that comes near them hasn't worked out, and that their best chance at survival is with the horde.

>>49284705
>>49284823
Bit late but JFK. He apologized after the Bay of Pigs incident and took responsibility for it. Turned out people liked him for be honest.

Now if you weren't already out, go away.

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>>49292079
>The living can't be peaceful together
>So let's openly attack the headquarters of literally the most anti-Horde/Alliance conflict faction
>That has been this way since the end of the Third Fucking War
>That had a leader who openly shamed Garrosh and Varian for their pissing contest in Northerend
>And that has literally accepted the Forsaken despite being comprised of Paladins who usuaoly hate the undead, because they believe the Forsaken aren't all evil

Get the fuck out before I bring the hammer down. Gas the Ebon Blade, class war now.

>>49292495
no paladin has ever accomplished anything without plot armor saving them or a death knight backing them up
eat shit and die lightcuck

>>49292495
Eh, to be fair, you'd never have willingly given up Tirion's body peacefully.

>>49292495
I didn't want to do it. I cried a bit while I did it. If you must kill us, please. Kill Bolvar too.

>>49292526
And where were the so called 'Knights of the Ebon Blade' on the Broken Shore? Paladins got there early, and you idiots were still cowering in your flying shit factory to actually come out and face the demons. But oh yes, now that the Lich King, who was in fact a PALADIN, has rallied you, you can now spend your time avoiding the Broken Isles as you try to raise your new liutenants, fail on the fourth and final, and slink back to your disgusting flying saucer to coward and lick your wounds, while other classes are out in the world getting shit done.

While you were crying about the Light kicking you to the curb, I was slaying Balnazzar alongside one of its very liutenants.

Get fucked Death Faggot.

>>49292571
...yeah but I hear Demon Hunters fucked your waifu

>>49292571
>And where were the so called 'Knights of the Ebon Blade' on the Broken Shore? Paladins got there early
the better question is why Tirion rushed into the battle before anyone else could even organize an attack. Seems he isn't a very good strategist without Darion guiding him

>>49292617
Tirion made the call to attack because otherwise the demons would've started marching unopposed to the Pillars of Creation. He bought the Alliance and Horde time to rally and follow, even if it cost him his life.

>>49292595
Wait what was this? Who'd they fuck?

Couldn't have been Liadrin.

>>49292706
No anon, YOUR waifu

>>49292693
Tirion had no idea about the Pillars, Khadgar and Magni would only bring it up later.

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>>49292718
Again, couldn't have been Liadrin.

Would tauren be the most populous race in the Horde? I mean, let's look at them all:

>Orcs
Aliens who came through a portal. Two clans (Frostwolves and Warsong), both of whom probably took a lot of damage during the First and Second war, with the Warsong explicitly described as only made up of soldiers who evaded capture, plus the contents of like, four or five internment camps. Probably took heavy losses during crossing to Kalimdor and the Third War. Topped up by the Mag'har (one small group of plague survivors) and a section of the Dragonmaw (who had been having their shit kicked in by the alliance and random adventurers for years). Had a large portion split away and get killed during the Horde civil war. Have been on the front lines of battle getting themselves killed for ages. Any children they had since crossing to Kalimdor would be just now reaching maturity.

>Trolls
Horde trolls are mostly Darkspear trolls, and made up of whatever survivors of an island catastrophe that the orcs could pull onto their ships while crossing to Kalimdor, which is probably not a lot. The Horde also has, like, one small tribe of forest trolls. Again, children had since coming to Kalimdor would only be reaching maturity now.

>Blood elves
Had their homeland recked, lost a ton of people to arcane withdrawal, and had a large portion of their race bugger off to outland with KT through a portal (having to fight shit there, as well as come back to fight at the frozen throne for a while with Illidan). Steady losses since then, like everyone else, and it's implied that elves breed and mature slowly.

>Goblins
A few survivors of an island that got blown up. Constantly getting themselves killed by their own inventions. On the plus side, goblins are said to produce a lot of kids quickly, but it's implied that this is just what keeps equilibrium with them setting themselves on fire all the time. There are plenty of neutral goblins, though, and some may have joined the Horde.

[cont]

>>49292740
>Pandaren
Horde population is just a couple of tourists from an island.

>Forsaken
Possible contender for most populous. If we assume something like 9/10 of the people of Lordaeron were wiped out by the plague and the scourge and raised as undead, and then say, half of those were able to pull away from the Scourge and become Forsaken (seems a fair enough estimate, considering there are tons of Scourge undead still running around the northern eastern kingdoms), then the Forsaken would have started with very large numbers. However, as is a large part of Sylvanas' plot, Forsaken can't reproduce. Sylvanas got some Val'kyr to raise some more during Cata, but a Val'kyr can only raise so many at a time, were limited in their numbers, and had a bunch of themselves killed to bring Sylvanas back to life. Since Sylvanas is now running around still worrying about her people's future and trying to get more Val'kyr, we can assume she doesn't have enough to counter the decline in the Forsaken population. Which is probably pretty steep, since the Forsaken are on the front line with the Alliance and are constantly fighting the humans, dwarves, worgen, and had to deal with the Scourge remnants, as well as contributing to the Horde, and slowly decaying/going mad on their own.

Whereas:
>Tauren
Native to Kalimdor. When originally met during WCIII, were described as nomads fleeing the centaur, but that was just the Bloodhoof tauren: in the time between then and WoW, what seems every other tauren tribe in Kalimdor also joined the Horde, and a large portion of all horde settlements in Kalimdor seem like they were originally tauren settlements. Most of one tribe (Grimtotems) left the Horde during Cata, but this was probably more than compensated for by the taunka, who joined during WotLK. Tauren mature relatively quickly and would have been having kids the whole time, so their population would have been getting refreshed steadily.

What do you think?

So was Prince Malchezzar looking for information on the Pillars in Karazhan back in TBC?

>>49292728
the Legion doesn't even know where any of the Pillars are other than the Eye of Aman'thul

>>49292728
Yeah, but he did know about the demons. He did what he needed for everyone else to get it in gear, and then Sylvanas fucked it up by not simply shouting 'We're being overrun!'

>>49292752
He was probably sitting on the sheer amount of energy there, Karazhan is on top of a major ley-line intersection. Also he was waiting for his invite to the party

>>49292768
Well I just recall that people have been trying to deduce his purpose ever since the raid first came out and knowing that a book on the Pillars was there the whole time makes it seem like a possibility.

>>49292756
>Yeah, but he did know about the demons.

Not really, he blundered into their trap.
He really should have cooled his jets.

>Let's rescue Koltira!
>Be Horde DK
>Thassarian: "Meet me at the Undercity"
>Ok bro
>Wait why at the sewers entrance
>Uh ok you're with the alliance yourself so I guess you need to sneak in
>Wait don't attack the g- fuck
>Sigh
>Ok here's Koltira
>Wait all he had to do was get out of the cage and use a death gate?
>We didn't even need to get a key?
>Thassarian I could have just walked in here and done that
>For fuck's sake Thassarian

>>49292785
>trap

Anon, Gul'dan used Tirion as bait for a 'trap' to get the Alliance and the Horde, and even then it wasn't really a ttap since they were both going there anyway.

The ToS is literally the biggest army of demons ever seen in one place. It dwarfs even Archimonde's invasion during the Third War.

Naturally nobody knew that, but I'd hardly call it a trap.

>>49281496
I wish we got that greymane as a posterboy for the Outlaw, but that would require letting rogues equip real pistols.

>>49292571
>But oh yes, now that the Lich King, who was in fact a PALADIN
>Stop being a memedin
>????
>Be useful
Who'd have thought.
He's also 1/3 shaman and the one true king.

So, was I the only one who thought of Medivh first, when Turalyon's message arrived to Khadgar and he talked about "the Prophet"? And then Khadgar went "we have to get this to Velen" and then the thought was "oh yeah Velen I guess he's called a prophet too"?

>>49292755
They had the Tears of Elune, and knew where the Aegis was.

>>49292844
>Medivh
Not the only one.
FWIW I kinda hope they bring him in somehow.
I'd settle for party monster hearthstone Medivh in new Kara

>>49292755
>>49292847
I just realized something. The Old God(s) are throwing in their lot this expac too, pretty hard.

>Tears of Elune almost fall into the Nightmare is Xavius wasn't an arrogant cockmongler
>Naga literally get the Tidestone for a bit
>Drogbar are subtly hinted at being corrupted by Shadows, heavy association with deep places in the Earth, had history with Deathwing, had the Hammer for quite awhile.

Azshara's gonna be pissed when push comes to shove.

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>I'M GONNA OOK YOU IN THE DOOKER

What did he mean by this?

>>49292992
He's gonne ook you. In the dooker.

>>49292992
God I want to play as a Hozen and I'll never get to. And I mean in a tabletop game.

>>49292889
>party monster hearthstone Medivh in new Kara
After you beat the last boss he shows up hung over with a half naked Medeva
Asks you whats going on he feels like he's been in that party for twenty years
Ends the invasion in one night
Goes to Suramar to take his partying to the next level with the elf high ballers.

>>49292992
He's gonna punch you in the butt.

>>49293045
>Ends the invasion in one night
I can believe it, he's not a shit Wizard like Khadgar

>>49292740
Tauren are big, but slow breeders.
They were so few in number that when the Orcs arrived, they needed Thrall's help to tone down the quillboar enough to make their journey.
Any of the smaller races could outbreed them easily.

>>49293066
Khadgar is exploring the untapped powers of meme magic. He doesn't have time for boring regular magic

>>49293093
Too bad meme magic means he's incapable of turning off a fucking portal.

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>>49293066
>a shit Wizard like Khadgar

>>49291810
>nazgrim's tomb
he was buried in an unmarked grave near the road outside orgrimmar. Pretty much a ditch.
I'm gonna say that the horde leadership wasn't terribly fond of him not betraying Garrosh.

>>49293045
>Medivh brings about world peace with a harem of apprentices from all 13 races

>>49293045
>EXTREMELY HIGH ELF

>>49293153
That ditch is were the Orcs bury their honoured dead. You cans see all the ancestors there on the day of the dead.

>>49292734
If they ever make Liadrin more than just horde paladin-commander, I hope they go full ascension aura of flames and light nuts with her combat mode.

And then she becomes warchief

>>49293184
orcs burn their dead.

>>49293209
Maybe some, but nowhere near all.

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>Thrall: This is my Doomhammer, my personal weapon, please accept it Champion

>Me: But Thrall-sama, given this weapon's proud history is it really a good idea to give it to a non-orc?

>Thrall:........

>Me: But Thrall-sama, wasn't this weapon intended to be passed on from Father to Son, what will Aggra and Durak think?

>Thrall:...........

>Me: But Thrall-sama, I'm a Draenei, isn't it extremely insensitive for you to offer me the very weapon that Ogrim Doomhammer used to slay thousands of Draenei? Including women and kids?

>Thrall: Ok, I'll take it back

>Me: S...sorry it's mine now

>>49293203
I really liked that she went to Draenor because she wanted to help whatever Draenei she could.

>>49293305
For all their hatred of being thrown away by Garrosh, most of the belf leadership is ready to drop everything for battle, it's like they got bloodlust.

>>49293383
the Blood Knights owe pretty much everything to Velen and the Aldor. Saving Auchindoun and some past draenei is literally the least they can do

>>49293383
There's such a disconnect between the effete and prissy image Blizzard has for Blood Elves and how battle-hungry they are in-lore.

>>49293398
And M'uru as well. He sorta died for our sins.

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>>49281602
If you wanted Tomaru, you just had to ask.

>>49293405
They were always kinda both, in 3 Quel'thalas and Dalaran are the bulk of the missions, with Quel'thalas being a pain in the ass, meanwhile Lordaeron gets taken out almost entirely offscreen. But as ally they were still only your prissy mages and priests. In 2 they were the ally trolls and it's the same image.

>>49292740
Pretty sure trolls are one of those races that spew out many kids that grow quickly because they usually die quickly

>>49293635
>high elf sorceress
more like high elf succubus.

>>49293788
And yet there is barely any porn of them.
The ways of this world are stranges and elusives.

>>49294058
wc3 was too advanced for it's time.
>no OTP about a cheeky sorceress seducing and fucking the brains out of arthas.

>>49293405
not to mention mana-hungry.

>>49294377
Is this an Odin joke?

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>>49290044
>>49289992
>>49289934
>>49289273
That's an Ebon Blade Police Department, you filthy hooligans.

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>>49292571
>And where were the so called 'Knights of the Ebon Blade' on the Broken Shore?
Me and my death knight fireteam were on the Broken Shore, supporting main assault force, together with Varian and other alliance forces. Don't know about you.

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>>49293109
He could crash a spaceship on the Tomb of Sargeras. With no survivors.

>>49294547
So that's why he sent us to see Velen.

Anyone else think Velen kinda overreacted? Having your son turn evil and try to kill you is hardly anywhere near the worst thing that's happened to someone on Azeroth

>>49296149
>implying Terenas wouldn't have reacted the same way if Arthas was the one that died

>>49296149
Yeah, especially since he's already believed him to be dead for 13 000 years. You'd think he'd have enough time to process the the thing and just go "fuck you, demon, as far as I'm concerned, my son died on Argus". Considering they haven't seen in over ten millenia, and he wasn't a demon the last time they met, the guy hardly has anything in common with the son Velen knew.

>>49296219
That was the point. Velen DID think his son was dead back on Argus and buried the strange vision for those 13000 years.
Then he gets to find out his son is still alive and just as he realizes this, you go and kill him.

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>>49296149
>>49296219
>>49296390

>>49296655
That's... A very accurate description of Velen now

>>49296219
>>49296390
Timespans in fantasy settings are always incredibly poorly thought out. They just throw around massive 10,000+ year timespans like they're a couple of decades, and treat them as such.

With most fantasy settings I tend to just mentally remove a 0 whenever there's any mention of a length of time longer than a few hundred years. It usually makes things work a lot better.

The drogbar looks like the halfway point between gronnlings and trolls.

>>49297312
Were they Titan forged? Or does it say?

>>49293091

That was just the Bloodhoof tribe, though.

>>49294547
>Nobody cared who I was until I started the memes

>>49294510
>See knight buddy on the alliance side
>Try to jump down to help my buddy
>It teleports me up again
J-just

>>49297444
In the visions of the past they seem to refer to the titans and they're creation as foreign things.

>>49297444
Haven't seen just yet.

>>49297444
I figured they were, because they're stoney.

>>49292322
But why would any horde troll accept them as leaders?

>>49292322
Rokhan

>>49297312
I'm pretty sure they use the same "hulking brute" model that dire trolls have used since vanilla and Bleeding Hollow blood terrors used in WoD, with maybe a few animation updates

Was there a reason other than plot why vol'jin couldn't heal from the injury from the demon?

>>49293255
My troll was more happily oblivious

>Hey mon! I be using de Doomhamma too now!

>Look mon! De Doomhamma made de lava hammer!

>How come you neva do dis mon?

>>49298864
It was super demon DoT poison and was killing him faster than his natural regeneration could heal him.

>>49298864
Troll Poison.

>>49298864
>>49298986
the poison shows up on him as a buff instead of a debuff, the dumbass could have just clicked it off

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>>49297533
We're maybe separated by factions, but we're still the Ebon Blade.

>>49298864
Vol'jin had already struck a deal with Bwomsamdi to avoid death. He was pretty much living on borrowed time anyway.

Is it just me or does Kil'jaeden come off a bit like Velen's stalker ex?

>>49299426
Well with the way the lore describes it he almost comes across as a jilted lover

>>49299916
a jilted lover that then kidnaps his son and teaches him to hate his father

>>49299992
It's like a lifetime movie.

>>49293223
All except the Laughing Skull and Bonechewer, who harvest their skulls or eat them, respectively.

Not being burned means his spirit can't join his ancestors. BIG fucking dishonour to an Orc warrior.

>>49300164
Shadowmoon bury their dead.
Warsong too.

>>49300164
>>49300234
Thrall's Horde mostly adopted Frostwolf customs, what would they have done?

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>>49300262
>Frostwolf

Bury.

>>49296149
It wasn't so much the fact that his son turned evil that pissed him off, but the realization that the Light and the Naaru knew it was going to happen from the day his son was born, and never warned him or tried to prevent it.

>>49297444
I think they're at least implied somewhere to be another Troll offshoot, but particularly twisted by Neltharion to act as his servants.

>>49300003
lucasceramics.jpg

>>49300234
The Warsong graveyard in Nagrand is full of funeral pyres.

Shadowmoon are creepy weirdos that nobody else likes, and have been extinct for decades in the present.

>>49300600
>Shadowmoon are creepy weirdos that nobody else likes

You mean the wisest and most respected of al the clans.

Durotan was buried.

>>49300600
>Shadowmoon are creepy weirdos that nobody else likes
They were the spiritual leaders until demons happened

>>49300791
So was Grom.
And Mankrik's wife.

>>49300939
Where was she, by the way?

>>49300983
Mankrik was defending her grave during the invasions. Northern barrens, northeast of Crossroads I think.

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Does anyone still living identify with Lordaeron, or is the kingdom so dead it's only a memory now?

>>49301898
Just the current inhabitants, most of whom were the old inhabitants

>>49301898
Considering their prince murdered the king and turned the city into undead, probably not

>>49301946
Isn't his sister still alive, though?

Why hasn't she had anything to say about the Banshee squatting under the ruins of her home? As in, under the palace she legit used to live in? And if she did abdicate the succession, why?

>>49302016
Everyone's dead and majority of the current inhabitants already lived there. There's nothing to reclaim

>>49302016
Calia is alive, yes. As for why, well, who knows. There's not much to reclaim that isn't currently occupied by the native inhabitants anyway.

Not to mention that the Forsaken love and adore Sylvanas for freeing them from their slavery and servitude, and would probably dislike Calia just because she's her brother's sister.

>>49296715
Yeah.

Velen thought he was over it, and then Kil'jaeden found the one last sore spot Velen had.

Now Velen's MAD.

>>49302222
Raid boss when?

>>49301898
there are some refugees in Stormwind, and the survivors of Southshore joined up with the Worgen, so yeah.

But as a kingdom? It's deader than Alterac and Stromgarde, which is real damn dead.

>>49302357
Expansion after the next one, probably.

>>49302940
Strangely enough, though, the Alliance airships bear the sigil of Lordaeron here and there (or at least the wreckage of the one at the Broken Shore does) as well as the Lion of Stormwind.

>>49302940
Speaking of Alterac, what do you think Blizz is going to do with it? It's a big empty place in the middle of some lore-important areas. Surely they might think of something.

>>49302976
ahahahahaha, do something with human kingdoms. ahahahahahahahaha!

>>49288515
In what reality are trolls covered in blue fur?

I hope that artist has prostate cancer.

>>49302976
probably not. all that's there is the Syndicate and some Ogres.

I guess [Generic Cult 167-Gamma Subclass Q-26] could set up shop there, but that's kinda lazy. Maybe they could pull a non-evil Perenolde out their ass or something, but that's unlikely.

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>>49302976
It's not empty, but to answer your question: nothing. Ravenholdt Manor was it's last chance to shine and they're not about to give the Alliance more things to do in their Horde only space.

On a side note: Why can't dragons breed anymore?

>>49303079
Basically this. Loremaster of Arathi is 17 quests.

>>49303190
I mean, Jungle Trolls are supposed to have moss growing in their body hair, right?

>>49303199
[incoherent mumbling about the age of mortals]

>>49303199
Yes, they had a chance to bring it back for the class hall, but instead rogues got the sewer....

>>49303199
I guess their titan power was the only way they could get it up and that's gone now.

So, been playing Legion and shit but I'm not really a lore buff, have the Broken Isles always been there in the lore? Are they a recent addition that retroactively were always there but never mentioned up to this point?

And shit, have people been living there this whole time? Like in Val'sharah and shit.

>>49303255
yeah, up until Legion the Broken Isles were something MU Gul'Dan dredged up from the sea while he was going after the tomb o' sargeras.

Not the worst retcon. Only problem I have with it is why no one bothered to check out the place until now.

>>49303211
Body hair does not equal fur. That furry artist faggot drew a troll like some kind of short hair'd dogman.

Trolls are not covered in fur. They have body hair like all the other humanoids aside from the obviously furry tauren, panda, and worgen.

Why the fuck give one of the non-furry species fur for no reason?

>>49303294
Yeah it was a bit confusing, having all these established places like the blue dragonflight and the Temple of Elune. Pretty important areas to people in the rest of Azeroth that were never mentioned before. Felt like I was going crazy.

>>49303294
Well, some Gilneans landed there to escape the Scourge, and I guess the Night Elves probably knew what was there for the most part but didn't give a fuck. No idea on the rest of the races, but maybe the giant Vikings, sea giants, vicious murlocs, and other monsters made the place "Neat to check out maybe, but unimportant enough that the danger outweighs the reward."

>casting Arcane Torrent on these crack elf dragon baby killers
I love the irony.

>>49303300
It's because of this-
"The forest trolls' bodies can support plant life to a limited extent due to a mutation that took place many millennia ago. A thin layer of moss will inevitably grow on the skin of a forest troll shortly after they are born, giving them their characteristic green coloring. Their moss-like skin color ranges from light green to blue and purple. However, the jungle trolls' bodies are covered in a short, soft fur which cause the trolls to appear purple or gray."

Which Blizz seems to either ignore or forget about, considering how they look with the new models.

So why don't we just take the Nightborne to the Sunwell or the Well of Eternity?

I guess the opposite didn't really work either, so maybe they have to be attuned or whatever.

>>49303660
I think it's implied somewhere that the Nightwell was corrupted, tainted, or otherwise not quite right and now they NEED the Arcwine. Anything else doesn't quite do it, which is why the withered just get worse and can only delay the inevitable, even when tapping directly into the leylines.

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Holy shit

>>49304073
>>49303660

They made the nightwell with the eye of aman'thul so there's probably some titan mumbo jumbo that is messing them up.

>>49303638
Yeah considering the new models I think it's safe to say that it's been retconned

>>49303660
Because the Well of Eternity is currently a giant swirling vortex of uncontrolled power in the middle of the ocean that has ripped a hole straight into Deepholm and the Sunwell is more light aligned than pure arcane, and would be like trying to cook a steak with a candle in terms of the power difference.

>>49304735
The OTHER Well of Eternity...

>>49304772
What, the new one under the World Tree?

Same problem, more Nature aligned and nowhere near the same power tier. Diesel in a nuclear reactor.

>>49304809
Well who the shit decided to create magic flavored water?!

>>49304840
People trapped in the biodome that lost all the bio. These elves don't even shit.

>>49304143
I did Val'sharrah first, and I was fucking terrified for the poor guy through the whole questline.

>>49304880
This is not a good expansion to be a Dragon.

>>49305170
It really isn't. After Val'theheroestrytodogoodbutfuckitallup'sharah, I was nervous the whole time in Azsuna.

>>49303199

So far as we're aware, only the blue, bronze, red and green dragons have been said to be unable to breed any more.

Twilight dragons are fine (but everyone hates them), black dragons probably could (but there are only three dudes, and only two of them are "pure", Sabellian's probably only sane right now because he's in Outland where he can't hear the Old Gods), the storm drakes in stormheim can (because they're not titan empowered, or were empowered seperately in a lesser way or something? They can talk and they hang around with Odyn's crew), and the netherwing dragons in Outland probably can.

>>49305280
Yeah, I'm kind of wondering what's up with the storm drakes, as well as the stone drakes. I don't mind more dragons, I just kind of wish that I knew where they came from, or what their deal was.

There's also the, granted easteregg, notion of a white dragonflight.

>>49304880
>>49305170
>>49305275

It really doesn't help that Xal'natath is whispering to you
>"The dragons are weak, push their shit in mortal"
whenever you're in the zone.

>>49305472
I really need to get my shadow priest up off the ground. That dagger is practically named after my favorite elder god from Eternal Darkness, and seems like it has a lot of cool shit to smack talk about.

>>49305550
Don't forget to talk to Odyn.

>>49305601
My guild's s.priest went up and talked to him then was reduced to naught but a red smear on the ground.

I've also heard I should DEFINITELY use the Manastorm Duplicator before fighting his wife.

>>49305616
I've never fought her without using it to be honest.

To get back to lore, who is Xal'Natath? Her lines seem to paint her as a servant of Yog'Saron above anything else, since she takes pride in his works and I wasn't under the impression that the Old Gods were in any way a unified front so much as "hey, we all like making bug monsters and killing stuff"

>>49305651
I have a feeling she's tied, somehow, to Yogg, though she does give a bit of reluctant praise to N'zoth as well (saying that he's not the most powerful, but is the smartest). I have a feeling she might be the lingering intellect of a now-defunct Old God, we'll say, inheritor or something created by Yogg, the soul of a silithid/nerubian so devoted she volunteered to be the blade's first sacrifice, or... I don't know.

>>49304143
RIP RUNAS THE SHAMED

>>49305651
What happens when you fight her?

>>49305860
If you use the Duplicator she one-shots you, or so I've heard.

>>49305799
Goddamn I was SO PISSED

>>49305860
She enrages and gets really mad while Milhouse chats shit through a hologram.

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When is Blizzard letting super buff human males become druids?

>>49306037
Just play Worgen.

>>49305900
First time in a while this dumb game made me feel a feeling.

Runas my boy. :(

>>49306037
>those hands
ayylmao.

>tfw Eyir didn't just incinerate Sylvanas after Greymane freed her

>>49307381
And then she holds a grudge in the dungeon even if you're alliance! like really.

>>49307467
That fight is really weird to me, since you're at least worthy of the challenge since Odyn let you in, so why are they acting like I snuck in the back door and am pissing on their floors by being here?

>>49305341
Dragons from all flights but primarily blues that agreed to serve Odyn instead of their normal cause. Over ten thousand years living around him caused them to phsyically change into a new flight.

>>49305341
I thought that was an albino drake?

>>49307547
Most of them are offended by the thought of a mortal being worthy.

>>49307547
yeah, that part was weird, but sort of makes sense for Horde characters because of the Stormheim story
>Hymdall is a bro, walks away from the fight when you win and gives you some loot
>Odyn not only gives up at 75% health, he won't even kill you if you're reduced to 0 health by him
>Eyir and the mystics have an autistic shitfit and force you to kill Hyrja
cool fight, shame about killing the big bummed lady though

>>49297312
>>49297444

One of the Highmountain quests to talk to the stonedark is called "Between a rock troll"

So I think they might be rock trolls.

>>49307614
Hyrja actually says "unconscious" when you defeat her.

>>49303199
>>49303220
Didn't Ravenholdt Manor burn down in Cata, as part of the Fangs of the Father legendary questline?

>>49304073
>>49304317
The Nightwell is fine and dandy, and the Nightborne are only suffering through an artificial shortage of resources because Gul'dan/Elisande/the Legion is using said artificial scarcity to control the population. It is stated several times, by various individuals (Margaux, Vanthir, that one dickass rogue Shal'dorei that asks for hundreds of mana crystals for info), that nothing has changed, and that the "draught" is just one way to keep the citizens opressed; if anything, Mana and Mana-related accessories should be overflowing now, since there's no more huge-ass, super powerful magic shield to keep up 24/7.

Pure, raw Nightwell energy can incredibly harmful (as seen in the vineyard questline), which is why everyone in Suramar city guzzles down Arcwine/mana juice, and the Nightfallen rely on naturally-occuring mana crystals and background Ley Line energy from the beacons spread across Suramar.

>>49305900
I hope he comes back in a cameo appearance. Like, in a future questline you can find a friendly withered hidden in a corner. It would bring the feels anew.

>>49308268
Never saw him die and the nightfallen are making some pretty good progress in curing the withered

>>49308268
Maybe we can use the hypnotism from Suramar to help him or... OR SOMETHING!

>>49307614
You don't kill Hyrja, just knock her out. And Eyir is kind of justified with the whole 'Their leader tried to enslave me and my adopted daughters for immortality' thing. Alliance could use different dialogue, though.

>>49307705
Yeah. And it was a black dragon who did it, so nothing's growing there. Ever.

>>49303199
>On a side note: Why can't dragons breed anymore?
Because Blizzard realized their fans thought Knaak was a hack and overreacted by killing off all his stuff.

>>49300331
2 soon

>>49309148
Maybe she doesn't make a distinction between the Alliance and the Horde, since they both showed up at the same time.

Now here's a question: If Eyir was so pissed, why didn't she smite Sylvanas then and there after she was freed? Looking for lore reasons, not meta reasons.

>>49310224
Maybe she was weakened from the torture and had to recuperate?

It's a shitty justification but it works I guess.

>>49310257
I mean, is Sylvanas really that tough to smite?

Well, I guess the only times we've seen her significantly damaged are from the Lich King, suiciding off a cliff onto old god blood shards, and taking a blunderbuss point-blank. Still, you'd think Eyir could do SOMETHING.

>>49310451
Not the other anon, but she might have decided it wasn't worth the risk. Sylvanas already had one way to control you, it's possible the evil bitch had a back up plan in case you got free. Better to just hearth back real fast before she had a chance.

>>49310224
>>49310257
>>49310663
Here's a good question.

When will Sylvanas finally catch Eyir then drag her back to Undercity to be imprisoned with the other val'kyr in Sylvanas's femdom sex dungeon?

>>49311089
t. Kosak

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>>49311089
Never.

>>49311171
Next question

When will Genn finally wreck dat cold pussy and prove he's the alpha wolf? That's how canines show dominance, right?

>>49291810
Vol'jin is not actually dead. You'll see.

>>49281675
I'm pretty sure Maiev is Donald Trump.

>>49311732
Yeah, she has dh (mexicans) fight (build wall) to keep all demons (immigrants) away.

>>49303190
Well jungle trolls are covered in fur and forest trolls are covered in moss.

>>49288515
>>49303190
>>49303211
>>49312481
>>49303300
It was supposed to be a velvety texture, but it's almost certainly been retconned on the high-res models.

>>49307555
No they didn't become like that because they followed odyn and they even talk about how nithoggs brood refused to follow odyn.

So, is Koltira gay?

>>49312744
>it's a "male" blood elf
Do you even need to ask?

>>49312744
Quite probably. There's a lesbian couple in the Enchanting quest, so there's a possibility that he is.

>>49311454
When he has the dream that he never wake up from because black arrow

>>49313361
They already cured the poison, though. And worgen are naturally resilient to necromancy in the first place. Doesn't mean Blizz can't do something with it later, but for the time being, he seems fine.

>>49312796
>blood elf
>gay

Less than 10 blood elf males in upper BT has regular sex with hundreds of female elf, human, demon whores.

Blood elves are hung af

>>49313421
You know, gay men can be pretty fucking hung.

>>49313421
Yeah, trust>>49313642 , he knows.

>>49313947
>he
Let me telk you something. I know big dick, and I know big gay dick, but it definitely isn't because I'm gay.

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>>49314221
Let's just say you're knowledgeable around cocks.

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What keep you guys into Warcraft's universe??

For me, it's the lore (not so much after recent fuckups) and the lewdness.

>>49314765
for all the retarded shit people pull in it (novels were a mistake) it's still genuinely one of the most interesting fantasy universes there is
even if it's all the same tropes everyone else uses, Blizzard just does it better somehow

also death knights are cool

>>49314364
It a true.

I mean, cock is great. No reason to be ashamed about it.

>>49314765
That picture is just one big derp face.

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>>49314765
Is that a helmet? Vanity!

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>>49315307

So the whole point of Khadgar's Harbinger video was that the only way to fight the Legion is teamwork and anyone that tries to gather power to fight them alone would fall into their trap and get corrupted

>Illidan alone will save us
>Illidan sacrificed his own men to boost his power
>Illidindu

Is it just shit writing or more proof that Xe'ra is a void being in disguise? Or at least some foreshadow that Illidan would somehow fuck up?

>>49313642
>>49313947
Still, point is that they're not gay. Bi maybe, but still mostly prefer women.

Damn, those Illidan quests in the Order Halls are cringeworthy as all fuck, like something that crawled out of the depths of fanfiction.net's Mary Sue pit. Literally CRAWLING tier.

Also, Xe'ra's voice is grating as all hell; I half expect her, at some moment, to stop slobbering over Illidan's cock and try to sell me patchouli oil, random shit with amethyst pebbles hotglued to it, or some other new age hippie-related bullshit.

>>49314765
The hope that they'll actually use the potential the story/setting has, instead of retconning everything every other expansion for the sake of lolidunno.

>>49315499
I hope this is foreshadowing for Illidan screwing the pooch ROYALLY.

>>49315499
Considering they did put Elune as creator of the first naarus, it's very probably shit writing.

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>>49314765
Goats

>>49315709
I disliked the BRH one just because it bugs out custom UIs so you have to reload with Blizzard's awful default bars

>>49315721
I wouldn't take the Tear of Elune working on Xe'ra as confirmation of Khadgar's theory. This is the same guy who accidently kills you while empowering your ring. Could be, the tear was merely a powerful enough relic to jump start the heart or if Xe'ra is actually evil, it could be she was merely waiting for a good moment to contact you.

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>>49316037

Mah nigga

>>49316906
b-blessings upon your family

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>Metzen is retiring

Is WoW and Overwatch safe now?

>>49317104
it'll never be safe as long as the eternal dwarf is in charge

>>49317104
overwatch maybe,
Wow no, no doubt he has already planned out all the future lore and made people sign contracts in blood saying they will abide by his vision.

guy who usually makes the thread here

I won't be on when we hit bump limit, someone else make a new one instead of letting it 404 FFS

>>49317175
No, you do it

>>49317104

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, a lot of the stuff Metzen is responsible for is dumb, fanfiction-level stuff. On the other hand, you get a sense of earnestness out of him, that he genuinely thinks the things he pushes for are cool, and that he's excited for them. Like somewhere in his heart there's still a little boy who loved dumb fantasy and scifi comics and cartoons, and dreamed up a bunch of "original" characters and stories in his head based on them, and who's super stoked that he can make all the doodles in the corners of his schoolbooks come to life through Blizzard's games. There's kind of a weird, dumb, adorable innocence there.

I think him leaving would raise general quality, but take away some of the heart.

>>49317104
what?

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>>49317249
Metzen provided one of the earliest concepts for their products

>>49311505

He's a Troll, bro. Just because he's dead doesn't mean we won't be seeing more of him. Death be a doorway, an' time a window!

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>>49317104
NO KING RULES FOREVER, ONLY CORRUPTION IS ETERNAL

>>49316906
That updated one has my old classmates face, I'm confuroused.

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>>49317515
So you're saying that Metzen will use his retirement fund to turn himself into a virus and corrupt everything?

>>49316906
...is that ...fur?

>>49317515
Get back in your hole before I send another raid after your shitty ass.

>>49317383
>>49317249
That's because Metzen is another example of "the idea guy" who has good ideas, but poor execution that somebody needs to reign in on with logic and less enthusiasm for one aspect or the other without cutting away the heart of the idea. Like architects and engineers.

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>>49317988
He also does voiceovers

>>49318038
And guess which characters he has voiced

Hint: they are all conceived between his earrings

>>49317249

He actually seems like a decently cool dude. I met him at the 10 year Blizzcon after party thing, because I live nearby, and why the fuck not? Got pretty zesty at the bar, and ended up running into him. This was a week or so before WoD launched, and I talked to him a bit. You could legitimately see the excitement in his face, and that look in his eyes like he had a real passion for the game. Say what you will about Green Jesus and shit, but the guy does at least have good intentions.

>>49318194
yeah, in an industry that has people like Pete hines and the CEO of EA, seeing a major bloke in one of the biggest game companies of all time actually be passionate about his work is kinda awesome.

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>>49318499
>CEO of EA

I am curious. Did /tg/ play on nostalrius?

what parts about it did you like?
what parts about it did you hate?

I am talking about the private server.

>>49319304
>private servers
>ever

But why?

>>49318499
>>49318194
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

>>49319841
I wanted the old wow feel.

>>49319841
No Kosak taint

>>49319841
Why not?

>>49319893
Because for everything I'm nostalgic over, there's ten things I'm glad are gone.

>>49319959
And thirty I wish weren't added/changed

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>Reading through all the new Fountain coins
>Quite a few good ones
>There isn't one for Cordana

Alright Blizz, you put in like half a dozen literal whos that show up for maybe a couple of quests, but the chick who was involved in the Legendary Quest last expansion, breaking into the Vault of the fucking Wardens in this one, and who has one of the cooler fights as far as dungeons go doesn't get a coin?

>>49320100
does she die?

>>49319841
Well on the topic of /tg/ i used to play on a private RP server for fucking years. And the system in place was pretty great that allowed the actual world and it's story to change as the people did shit. basically all your RP groups were separated into guilds, with their own GMs and storytellers. So shit would actually happen instead of people just going through a raid normally and talking in a funny accent like you would in a vanilla RP server.

But apparently reboot after reboot after reboot finally killed the bitch after what must have been four or so years of genuinely good community and RP, when no one really knew what to do with it anymore. Honestly it's a pretty dignified way to go instead of burning out and letting the domain expire one day.

RIP prologue. Hope some of you beautiful bastards are lurking around still.

>>49320143
Yep. Admittedly she might be part demon now, so death might not stop her from coming back.

Nobody knows what the Legion did to her, outside of giving her armor a new paint job.

>>49320160
RIP waifu.

>>49320160
Death isn't going to mean shit in Legion.

Is Varian back yet? If not i give it two patches.

>>49317104
No, now there's one fewer person to overrule Kosak's demand for Red vs Blu.

We are permanently in the hands of that worthless corpsefucker now.

>>49318194
There's that otoo, and WoW will never have the feeling of awe and adventure that WC3-Wrath had now.

It's going to be endless rehashes of Warcraft 2 with more plague and undead waifus from here on out.

>>49315499
>Or at least some foreshadow that Illidan would somehow fuck up?
If they'd stay true to his character, he should. I like WC3 Illidan, but they guy's backstory can be summed as "Illidan tries to help, fucks up, makes thigns worse". Like the time he tried to kill the Lich King and almost flooded half of Azeroth, or when he tried to stop a demon and ended up eating a skull and pissing everybody off.

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>>49320171
Just wait, if the numbers don't pick up after Legion I can guarantee that there will be a long list of characters coming back.

>>49321694
Would sell my kidney in a heartbeat.

>>49321741
The bittersweet redemption arc where he and Kel get to go out like ballers soloing some big demon.

Arthas telling Kel he was the best friend he ever had as they get vaporized

>>49321280
The best way they could take this is,
>Champion approaches Illidan telling him to come back to the light and lead the army.
>He says fuck no he likes the fel
>In the last fight of the expansion Malf bites the dust along with a few other lore figures
>Tyrande locks herself in her chambers
>Gets a nock on the door
>"My brother was an ass, but we both needed him,"
>She tells him to go away he started all of this
>"I know, and I'll end it"
>Camera pans out to a now Purified Illidan carrying Malf's staff
>He starts leading the army of light, gets to full of himself again
>Ends up getting mortally
>"But, what of my destiny?"
>"You fulfilled it, gave us all the time we needed,"
>Exodar and Anduin warp in with a newly hatched Azeroth

>>49321834
>Implying Kel wouldn't use the last bit of his strength to teleport Arthas to safety