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Why Aren't You Playing Loyalists Yet Edition

>Rules databases
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg

>FAQ’s and Errata (outdated but official)
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s).
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

> The Black Library
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q!c4pGAJDb
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>>49261295
+++ New Roster (900pts) +++

++ Cult Mechanicus: Codex (2015) (Allied Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Tech-Priest Dominus [Macrostubber, Refractor field, Volkite blaster]

+ Troops +

Kataphron Destroyers
Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]
Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]
Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]

Kataphron Destroyers
Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]
Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]
Kataphron Destroyer [Heavy grav-cannon, Phosphor blaster]

++ Skitarii: Codex (2015) (AdM Skitarii Maniple) ++

+ (No Category) +

Skitarii Maniple

+ Troops +

Skitarii Vanguard [4x Skitarii Vanguard, Vanguard Alpha]

Skitarii Vanguard [4x Skitarii Vanguard, Vanguard Alpha]

+ Heavy Support +

Onager Dunecrawlers
Onager Dunecrawler [Icarus Array - Twin autocannon, Gatling rockets, Daedalus]

Onager Dunecrawlers
Onager Dunecrawler [Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber]

Onager Dunecrawlers
Onager Dunecrawler [Neutron Laser and Cognis Heavy Stubber]

Any tips on spending the remaining 100 pts?
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>>49261302
Two demi companies means six tactical squads though, pretty big tax to pay. How does the free transport system work? Do you at least have to pay for the upgrades? If not, then it's pretty broken. Imagine spamming free lascannon razorbacks?
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>>49261348
>Do you at least have to pay for the upgrades?
yes
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>>49261318
Looking over this, one thing that I can do is cut the Icarus array for a Neutron laser and that nabs 2 extra squads of Vanguard, but I lose Skyfire in the list.
I can also just run 2 Neutron lasers and that's 25 points of wargear for the remaining guys.
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>>49261348
You do, but people just buy the lascannon upgrade on free razorbacks. Six tacticals isn't that big a tax when razorbacks pair perfectly with msu tacticals that still all have objective secured and the protection of their transports.
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>>49261391
>implying competitive gladius use razorback spam
When will this meme die?
Any competive gladius will take drop pods, not fucking razorbacks.
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>>49261348
>>49261369
>>49261391

It used to not be such a big deal for me until the grenade FAQ came out.
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>>49261369
>>49261391
Well I currently have two rhinos, one razorback and one drop pod. Pretty great for me but that seems ridiculously overpowered. I might not use it.
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>>49261425
Well duh, but razorbacks seem to be more common around local metas
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>>49261432
I don't bother.

Being forced to take that many units is just not how I want to play the game.
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How does this sound for a DaoT infantry weapon?

A semi-automatic plasma-weapon capable of firing an adult thumb-sized round every second, with a flamethrower option for secondary fire. It's also strong and sturdy enough that a man in power armor can use it to beat someone to death.
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>>49261478
Too low tech.
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Can I play a legal army with these pieces?

>Be'lakor
>Cyclopia Cabal
>Raptor Talon
>Heldrake Terror Pack

If not, what units do I need to make this legal?
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>>49261437
Of course. But anything but drop pod spam makes the gladius just good, rather than amazing. Plus, any list that takes free razorbacks or rhinos is clearly a fluffy list, which means most times the rest of the list will also be fluffy, which, while with marines can still be strong, is definitely something that most armies can take on.
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What fa/tg/uys' opinion on Traitor's Hate formations?
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>>49261512
Puts CSM solidly mid tier.
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>>49261488
Really? How about a rate of fire like an m4?
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>>49261488
This.
DAoT Tech is almost Eldar tier because Humanity Fuck Yeah that's why.
Way more esoteric and way more powerful is the go-to with DAoT stuff.
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>>49261432
It can be OP or not, all about the rest of the list.
If you take all pods, and use the free points to take stuff like grav cents and grav bikes? Yeah, it's op.
Using it to kit out things like sergents or run full man assualt squads with jumppacks? Not so much.
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>>49261512
With it CSM are mid tier, but on the lower end of the teir.
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>>49261507

>any list that takes free units is a fluffy list

God bless people who make a 2500 point army to play against a 2000 point army. I'm glad they do it in the name of fluff.
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>>49261542
A fully automatic plasma-weapon sounds pretty Eldar to me.
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>>49261371
It depends on your opponent. If you know he's not bringing flyers than I'd take a third Neutron, but if not then you'd want the array.

Looks pretty good overall though.
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>>49261572
At 2000 points against space marines, if you aren't bringing stuff to be able to deal with fucking rhino pattern vehicles, free or not, then you deserve to lose. That's just bad list building.
Moreover, such a game is most likely going to be a for fun game, so who gives a shit who wins. As long as everyone enjoys the game the outcome doesn't really matter.
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>>49261581
It sounds like a plasma gun to me.

A DaoT weapon is somethings that turns your blood into c4 which it then detonates like a bomb
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you guys got a link for the new kill team pdf?
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>>49261636
Pretty much, >>49261478 this sounds more like something I could see a thunder warrior or chief techno barbarian carrying around.
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>>49261501
Yes thanks to the use whatever the fuck you want formation cad
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>>49261608

What I'm taking from your post is that a game where both armies don't take the same amount of points is more fun than one where they do.

I disagree with you sir.

It's a damn shame I cannot build a fluffy list to compete with his "fluffy" list.
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>>49261501
It would be unbound because of Be'lakor, but otherwise, yes

>daily reminder that unbound is legal
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>>49257618

Surprised this got missed. Any validity to the claims?

I just want a cool vehicle for Cults, doesn't need to be a limo..
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>>49261724
>It's a damn shame I cannot build a fluffy list to compete with his "fluffy" list.
You most likely can. It all depends on what army you play.
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>>49261728
>>daily reminder that unbound is legal

good, formations kinda fucked this game up
took away list building creativity in favor of getting shit loads of broken rules
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>>49261501
>Be'lakor

Reminder that he was killed by rocks.
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>>49261472
I'm inclined to agree. When I first heard about formations I thought they were terrific, but their lack of flexibility and often overpowered rules leads me to believe it's simply an attempt at selling more models.
>oh you want a unit of sternguard? Why not take the first company mega death assault wing!? For only £300 all of your units get FNP 2+ and an extra wound!
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>>49261318
Coteaz.
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What are you working on today/this weekend?
Any interesting games?

I'm finishing up painting an Onager Dunecrawler, and can't play any games this weekend because I have studying to do.
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>>49261728
>unbound
>3 WKs in 1000 pts
GET OUT!!!!!!!!!111
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>>49261751
I'd believe it, jes has said similar stuff at events in the past.

Nothing to say beyond wait and see if it's legit.
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>>49261775
Obviously you cultivate a group of friends who are not total shitters and play unbound with them
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>>49261751
Rumors I heard say that the vehicles will have a mining feel (similar to the existing models). Which makes sense.
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>>49261318
I'd get a bunch of spec guns for the vanguards really. Or just more bodies.

You should consider magnetizing your kataphrons so you can run them as the "holy requisitioner" formation with the tech priest dominus.
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>>49261775
frowned upon and generally not accepted, but legal
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>>49261813
If you have such a group, then people win't be spamming hyper optimized formations, and as such formations won't be gamebreaking either
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>>49261813
You can't! Unbound allows shit like 5 riptides in 1000 pt games. Only WAACfags play unbound
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>>49261904
Or flufffags.
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>>49261915
Not even close to true
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Is there a way to run CSM and have them be good?
Anything? No matter how cheesy.
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>>49261982
If it's happened once, it's true.
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>>49261817
>legal
Legal in 40k should be more of a relative term. I wish people would be more flexible, game would be so much better. Some people take the rules as gospel.
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>>49261985
Just csm solo? no, not really.
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pdf of kill team? anyone?
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Angel's Blade pdf when?
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>>49262016
Allies are fine too so long as there's spiky boy
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>>49262019
Check the fucking archives, it's in the previous thread.
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>>49261904
>>49261982
Tell this to Ork players, silly billy.
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deathwatch kill team
200 points

5 veterans, 2 with shotguns and one with frag cannon
2 bikes (one with power sword)


how should I go for specialists?
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>>49261904
Riptidewing
>Formation of only Riptides
>Can do a bound list solely composed of Riptides
>Using Riptides as a reason that unbound is cheesy
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>>49261775
>Not 5 Riptides.
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>>49262058
Well adding daemons helps. You could do a Cabal + KDK list. You can take a bunch of flyers like fire raptors, take renegade knights, or add an ordinance tyrant list from renegade and heretics. I've also seen their daemon prince formation do work. Lots of options, just none of them focusing solely on the csm codex.
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>>49262116
You realize there is a formation of just 3 riptides? And you can spam that legally in bound games?
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>>49262116
Well that is better since it's bound. Proper organization is important aspect of list creation
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>>49262169
Wew lad
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I feel like kdk would have been perfect if all units had just gotten free MoK. Chaos' greatest weakness remains their universal overcosted units that will never be corrected until a new book drops
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>>49261760
Reminder that it was in fantasy and it wasn't Be'lakor.

And a reminder that in fantasy Be'lakor killed a whole army of Lizardmen and then a whole hold of dwarfs by himself.

You cannot beat Be'lakor, man. You just cannot.
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>>49261399
Doing the dark god's work.

I'm torn between using Kharn or just saying fuck it. when i thought his formation was only 2 Zerkers i considered buying another, but it's actually 4 so fuck that. but then i notice the Veterans of the legions exists, and can just be y one zerker unit

On the other hand, Kharn's model is sweet and i've never used a CSM special character due to playing IW. but now i see the Fist of the gods, and of course the hunting pack are perfect for my existing IW models.

I really wanna field the Chaos warband, i just like how concise and ordered it is.

Got to make my decisions
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>>49262278
It was Be'lakor, the damn writers confirmed it.
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>>49262134

You're outmatched, kiddo
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>>49262278
every time, without fail
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Making a Farsight Enclaves list to play against AdMech. Thoughts?

>CAD

>HQ
Commander R'alai

>Troops
3x XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Teams
- 3 Crisis Shas'ui*
- Bonding Knives
- 2 Missile Pods each
- Stim Injectors

*one team has 2 crisis shas'ui instead of three

>Fast Attack
2x Tetra Scout Speeder Teams
- 2 Tetras
- Blacksun Filter
- Disruption Pod
- Sensor Spines

Barracuda Air Superiority Fighter
- Blacksun Filter
- Disruption Pod

>Heavy Support
2x TX7 Hammerhead Gunships
- Submunition Rounds
- TL Smart Missile System
- Blacksun Filter
- Sensor Spines

>Riptide Wing

3x XV104 Riptide Battlesuits
- Bonding Knives
- TL Plasma Rifle
- Ion Accelerator
- Shield Generator
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>>49261426

>unfinished bases

reeeeeeeeeee
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>re-downloaded an the Carnac series to reread it
>mfw BL edited the book

Initially, they had Elarique Swiftblade as a male in the series. This conflicted with her previous lore from the Fall of Medusa campaign where he was actually a female.

The story series have been edited, now all mentions of Swiftblade are female. He is back to his original gender which is female! I am shocked. The BL editors do really care.

Anyone has a similar experience with BL material?
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Is Wraithguard in a single Wave Serpent too much for 1000 points?
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>>49262407

Where can I read fall of medusa lore?
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>>49262309
>the damn writers confirmed it.

Don't lie.

Actually, they deconfirmed it by stating that Be'lakor cannot exit the Realm of Chaos via Winds of Magic or Chaos Rifts.

So you have two options. Post proofs or devour Be'lakor's virile and oily member.

>>49262325
Always and forever.

And to drive the knife further in, Be'lakor's magical power is equal to a group of Slaan.
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>>49262407
Laurie Goulding pops on a lot of places in social media and he uses the first expedition forums to ask for people to spot mistakes so they can be changed - this happened in the dark Angels hh rereleases
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>>49262424
Try this link.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://medusav.uk.games-workshop.com/campaign/*
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Guys guys I made a Night Lords list:
Crusade Detachment:
The Lost and the Damned:305
Dark Apostle 105
10 Cultists 50
10 Cultists 50
10 Cultists 50
10 Cultists 50

Aux1: Raptor Talon:545
Chaos Lord; murder sword, combi-meltagun, jump pack, sigil of corruption 135
5 Warp Talons 160
5 Raptors; 2 meltaguns, combi-meltagun 125
5 Raptors; 2 meltaguns, combi-meltagun 125

Aux2: Raptor Talon:660
Chaos Lord; power fist, burning brand of Skalatrax, jump pack, sigil of corruption 145
5 Warp Talons 160
5 Raptors; 2 meltaguns, combi-meltagun 125
5 Raptors; 2 flamers, combi-meltagun 115
5 Raptors; 2 flamers, combi-meltagun 115

Heldrake Terror Pack:340
Heldrake; baleflamer 170
Heldrake; hades autocannon 170
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>>49262447
>or devour Be'lakor's virile and oily member.
Emperor forgive me...
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>>49262461

Cool, thanks.
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>>49262389
Shit son
Whats the point level? away from my codex
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>>49262447

>devour Be'lakor's virile and oily member.

YES PLEASE praise Slaanesh!
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Whatever happened to all the drawfags and drawfaggotry for 40k?
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>>49262552

driven out by High Lord Autismos
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>>49262389
Stay out of their grav/plasma range with Your Riptides and You should be fine.
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>>49262552
why is she nekid
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+++ New Roster (1000pts) +++

++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

Seer Council
Farseer [Witchblade]
Farseer [Witchblade]
Warlock Conclave of 5 members [5x Warlock with Witchblade]

++ Eldar Craftworlds: Codex (2015) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Farseer [Eldar Jetbike, Witchblade]

+ Elites +

Fire Dragons [5x Fire Dragon, Wave Serpent]
Fire Dragon Exarch [Fusion Gun]

Howling Banshees [5x Howling Banshee]
Howling Banshee Exarch [Executioner and Shuriken Pistol]

+ Troops +

Dire Avengers [5x Dire Avenger]
Dire Avenger Exarch [Avenger Shuriken Catapult]

Rangers [6x Ranger]

any eldar players to r8 this? new player trying to make a casual friendly list
i am kind of worried about the lack of reliable ap2
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Old version :

>‘You dare say such things?’ shouted the Crimson Hunter, pulling Elarique around and delivering a strike to his face. The autarch fell back, blood flowing from a broken nose. ‘You compare me to the lost? You know not my heart!’

>‘I know much, for I see clearly,’ said Swiftblade quietly as he pulled himself to his feet and stood before the exarch. ‘I see that your name is apt, Ragefyre, for you have been consumed by the flames of your fury. I pray that you can emulate the Phoenix and emerge unscathed.

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New version :

>‘You dare say such things?’ shouted the Crimson Hunter, pulling Elarique around and delivering a strike to her face. Lightning-fast, the autarch blocked the blow and punched back. Keladry staggered back, blood flowing from his broken nose. ‘You compare me to the lost? You know not my heart!’

>‘I know much, for I see clearly,’ said Swiftblade quietly. ‘I see that your name is apt, Ragefyre, for you have been consumed by the flames of your fury. I pray that you can emulate the Phoenix and emerge unscathed.’

They even changed some stuff in the book. Male Elarique gets his ass kicked by Keladry. Female Elarique is the one who kicked his ass.

GW confirmed for supporting woman empowerment!
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>>49261773
Hopefully finishing off my Helbrute. Done the washes this week and will be sorting the highlight layers over the weekend
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>>49262623
>Male Elarique gets his ass kicked by Keladry. Female Elarique is the one who kicked his ass.

So gross of them.
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>>49262557

Well that is depressing.

>>49262598

I don't know the context for that particular picture anymore, I was only somewhat active on /tg/ back during its early days.
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>>49262623

Why even bother changing it?
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>>49262464
You have a lot of stuff waiting in reserves. They will hit hard, but make sure your cultists can survive that long.
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>>49262662
Wanting to see violence against women is what's really gross.
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>>49262552
>thicktau

Feeling pretty heretical.

So I just finished Dan Abnett's Titanicus and I really enjoyed it. I was thinking about converting my skitarii to look a little more fanciful and feral like they're depicted in their older artwork and in some of the fluff.

Any conversion artists out there for a quick inspo sesh? I've got lizard man parts for feathers and shit, and all kinds of beastly bits.
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>>49262733

>in the grim darkness of the far future you can't hit a woman

you're the gross one
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>>49262082
Give the frag cannon the range boost, bike with sword rage and I don't know for the last one.
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>>49262720
1-A woman getting hit in the face by an angry male and getting a bloodied nose as a result is not a pretty image
2-An Autarch being caught unawares by a punch is a little iffy even if it was a sucker punch from an exarch.
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Are stealth suits viable in Killteam?
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>>49262733
Do you shed a tear everytime you put a battlecannon on a unit of banshees?
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>>49262794
I don't know but god damn is that a badass conversion. If my stealth suits looked like that I'd run them regardless of how good they were.
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>>49262794
everything is viable in kill team except for the teams that are just like 3 overcustomized models
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>>49262778
>1-A woman getting hit in the face by an angry male and getting a bloodied nose as a result is not a pretty image

Who cares?

>2-An Autarch being caught unawares by a punch is a little iffy even if it was a sucker punch from an exarch.

Exarchs are better fighters than Autarchs in any particular discipline.
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>>49262824
I get a b0ner. Is that good? It may have more to do with the cannon.

>help me /tg/
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>>49262844

This.
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>>49261332
Calling it now:
>cultist dual kit to make two different generation of cultists
>2 characters
>possibly new genestealers
>some special unit
>ugly ass potato vehicle that's like if a Taurox and Stormraven had 5th generation incest sex
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>>49262869
What about the flyer?
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>>49262897
No flyer, just like Admech/Skitarii.
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>>49262844
>Who cares?

A lot of people, actually. We already have some guys saying that 40K only has men. 40K doesn't need what few female characters it has appear to be brutalized or abused.

They need to be empowered.
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>>49262869
Not convinced two generations will easily come from a single base model. The acolytes have a third arm, no shoes, and generally a more hunched pose (bit of a powersquat going on) than the neophytes.
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>>49262935
She's an Autarch. She's plenty empowered.
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>>49262935

lol no

Step up with those female minis then. The majority don't care about some obscure lore in a book no one (female) will read.
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>>49262721
When I am not sure if the cultists survive I can deploy some of the jump packers on the board
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>>49262949
Was thinking more "perfectly human cultists" and "slightly tyrannical alternative arms and heads cultists".
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>>49262935
>>49262935
this is bait
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>>49263002
Looking at the overkill models, I just can't see it happening. And there's no way they'll redesign the cultists just a year later.
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>>49262915
Rumours say there's a flyer.
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Is there an upload for the Deathwatch codex yet?
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>>49262965
Still baffled at how GW hasn't made a generic female head upgrade kit yet. Slot right into most models thanks to baggy fatigues and bulky armour.
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>>49263043
That was the rumored new kit when they eventually combine their books, right?

And presumably war convocation will be gone at that point
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>>49263038
There's no way they're going to use snap-fit models as a proper kit. Least of all because the models are all mixed in there on the sprues.

Also, have you looked at the gun cultists? They got ones that look human and then ones that got long genestealer fingers and heads with carapace on them.

Just make those same dudes, out the option for human and those hybrid heads, and a compliment of arms for various firearms and another set of arms that are holding close combat weapons or have mutated into rending claws and scything talons. Bam! You got your dual kit both for ranged and close combat.
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>>49263119
Didn't they make a female head for the Ghostkeel pilots?
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>>49263124
Think anon was talking about genecult.
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>>49263124
No I mean for Gene Cults. But I had heard that too, yeah.
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Not sure if this is still legal, but does this seem like an amusing farsight enclaves suits-only list for use with converted models at 1500pts?

The ghostkeels/riptide draw fire and wreck stuff while three of the crisis teams point out targets for them and each other while the three droneless fusion teams go on adventures.
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>>49263119
Stock Cadians with female heads look off. Stock Catachans with female heads gives weird boners.
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>>49263077
This gets asked every thread, several times. And every thread someone posts it.
check the damn archives
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>>49262935
If one thing 40k is filled with it is people who get fight without gettinghurt
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>>49261985
I run my CSM devoted to Nurgle but I have an Allied Daemon CAD backing them up. I enjoy it and I do well in my meta but we aren't tournament players here.
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>>49263139
I'm not suggesting they'll use snapfits as a proper kit you stupid fuck (though given pic related they may sell snapfits separately as well). I'm suggesting the proper kit will be designed to look like the snapfits, such that if you make a mixed unit of snapfits and multipose you can't easily tell which is which, and that precludes making a single kit for the two types of hybrids.

I mean, have you even looked at the Overkill genecult models? I'm starting to think you haven't.
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>>49263178
I've been pretty happy with my Cadians with statuesque heads. Just need to make sure not to use them on any torso without flak armour.
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>>49262935
The problem is GW I a publicly traded company that needs to turn a profit. Fact is GW won't make a female army if they don't think it will sell. That won't change because this hobby is drastically one sided. We won't see more girls playing 40k because most GW and game stores are uncomfortable for girls. You need to chang it from the bottom up not the other way around.

And fuck you there is nothing wrong with boy clubs.
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>>49263173
>amusing
Fuck tau players, seriously.
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>>49263253
>female army

Sisters of Battle?

Incoming Sisters of Silence?
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>>49262518
2,000 pts.

>>49262579
That's the plan. The shield generators are there in case he drops a holy requisitioner on them or something.
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>>49263265
Is it too much? Thought it'd be vulnerable against gun lines, drop pods, hordes and fliers
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What is the coolest looking army with the most customization options and why is it orks
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>>49262408
Maybe the Wave Serpent if you're playing a weaker (say, sub mid-tier) army, but Wraithguard are fine. I don't get the meme with them, T6 with no invuln and one wound isn't hard to kill at all, and with template/12" range guns there's ample time to kill them and their transports before they're a threat.

Then again, the Eldar guy I play with is pretty chill, so grain of salt
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>>49263284
Pic related.

On a serious note though, we had a thread a few weeks back where we were talking about the kinds of armies that chicks are into. Alleged chicks logged on and informed us that they find the imperium's aesthetic too utilitarian for their taste and their preferred armies tend to be Eldar and 'Nids because they look sleek and distinctive.
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Iron Warriors Themed CSM, 998/1000

HQ - 130

Warpsmith, VoTLW, Plasma Pistol

Troops - 524

1x10 CSM, 2 Meltaguns, Combi-Melta, Rhino, Dozer Blade, Havok Launcher, VotLW, Icon of Vengeance

1x10 CSM, 2 Plasmaguns, Combi-Plasma, Rhino, Dozer Blade, Havok Launcher, VotLW, Icon of Vengeance

Heavy Support - 344

1 Maulerfiend

1x3 Obliterators, VotLW

Aiming for fluffy as fuck here, I'm newly getting into it, like the Iron Warriors, don't much care to win, just checking if I've gotten the feel of an Iron Warriors army down. Going to add things like tanks when I'm finished building/painting this. How am I doing?
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>>49263320
>and why is it orks
Because poorfags and highschool kids think hotgluing plastic chunks to dollar store toys is "cool"
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>>49263378
That is true. Female players prefer eldar and nids mostly but there are some that like orks, nercons and daemons.
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>>49263320
ork players piss me off
The moment they start talking about their army they immediately slip into that retarded ork half speak
This may be me being the fun police but the chromosome levels of the average ork player are off the charts
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>>49263387
>How am I doing?
Run them as Iron Hands from Codex SM and you could actually win.
Thats what our Iron "Warriors" player does.
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>>49263387
Chaos is getting a new book. Slow down and wait for it to get released tomorrow. Then come back with list ideas.
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>>49263420
>tfw my girlfriend collects SW because she doesn't like them getting killed in battle anymore

She is going to switch to one of the Eldars instead for playing. The thought of dead dogs doesn't sit well with her but I can purge her Xenos all day :^)
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>>49263400
>>49263423
spotted the unpainted riptide spam players
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>>49263319
>gunlines
Unless it's Skitarii Radiation spam them no, gunlines will do little. Especially where Riptides are concerned.

>drop pods
Unless it's Grav spam, then no.

>fliers
Not easy, but they'll have a better time than most.

>hordes
Supporting fire and a fuckton of AP5, dude. Hordes hate Tau

In a casual environment, I'd tone it down a bit. Nothing short of cancer-tier Eldar and Marines will have an enjoyable time against that
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>>49263387
not enough plasma

how will you possibly decimate the unworthy
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>>49263479
I'll bet you purge her xenos all day
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>>49263245
>I'm suggesting the proper kit will be designed to look like the snapfits

Why? Proper helbrute has plenty of deviations from the DV one, but they still work well enough together. Do tell me how a unit that uses the same exact style as the Overkill one, but adds a new set of close combat arms deviates from the norm so much it makes your autism flare and can't accept them?

>I'm starting to think you haven't.

Are you fucking blind?

Pic related:
>red arrows
>pretty human heads with slight ridges on the nose and forehead, and mostly normal human hands
>green arrows
>large elongated heads with bestial faces, much more carapace on the forehead, and large bony hands
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>>49263180
I did that, and found my answer. Posting here for posterity.

Codex Deathwatch

https://mega.nz/#F!Wl5DAbCb!TYxZG4CgX_x-NJu7JBwbZQ!3xw3nToL

40k folder ---> Codex & Campaign ---> 12th one down
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>>49263551
Begone, poster of frogs. This board is not welcome to you
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>>49263400
>>49263423
Do you play at an day care or something?
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>>49263378
For me i dont really mind the whole 'space catholic` look, you certainly dont get it anywhere else in good sci fi
actually got into 40k proper with the hype around space hulk
Started painting up a small deathwatch army, might post pics when they're done but hard to find time with work
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>>49263493
not them, but I find tau AND ork players usually have very little painted when they play. Third, probably necrons. Granted orks do try to convert their stuff more often.
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>>49262600
any input for these dubs?
i feel like replacing the fire dragons with wraithguard. and the banshees with maybe something cooler. like warp spiders
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>>4926325>>49263253
Exactly a female army will not bring female players to the game. Most women aren't interested in 40k.
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>>49263527
>hordes
>Supporting fire and a fuckton of AP5, dude. >Hordes hate Tau
Oh well the list up there mostly has most of its shooting in plasma and fusion which I thought would be too inefficient against hordes. But I guess the mobility and squad count would make up for it.

I didn't mean to go overboard with the power level, I just wanted to use many different kinds of suits. What if I skip the riptide and one ghostkeel to get some more crisis suits, maybe a stealth team and/or perhaps a sniper broadside? (missile broadsides are boring as shit)
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Is there a reason not to house rule infinite krak grenade spam out of the new Kill Team?
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>>49263378
It's funny now that you mention it, every single female player I've met has either been Eldar or Tyranids. Usually they just like the aesthetic of Eldar, and I've seen some female players who think of their Tyranids as pets. I admittedly do the same thing
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>>49263580
You were clearly talking about being able to make neophytes and acolytes in a dual kit (if not, you apparently completely forgot acolytes in the list you posted here >>49262869) so stop trying to shift the goalposts.
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>>49263713
That'd be a lot more fun. It's the MC's that make Tau unbearable.
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>>49263792
I'm still astonished that battlesuits count as MCs and not vehicles. What's the justification for that?
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>>49263819
Supposedly because being hardwired in lets the suits move like extensions of their body. You know, unlike knights, dreadnoughts, and daemon engines.
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>>49263819
>What's the justification for that?
The answer I got was that its a Suit not Armor so I would like to know as well. The only creature part of them is a scrawny blueface in the cockpit.
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>>49263634
Are you a woman?
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>>49263850
Which also makes them susceptible to Poison, Fleshbane and all that, apparently.
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>>49263859
...yes
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>>49263758
4th generation genestealer hybrids look mostly human (or whatever species they're trying to emulate), just like on the red arrow dudes.
3rd generation are slightly more hunched with genestealer features and have claws and 2-3 arms, which the green arrow dudes (and the mining drill guys) have.
2nd generation hybrids are half-genestealer with 3 arms, just like the dudes I'm not talking about in the Overkill box.

I have not moved a single goalpost, you're just too dumb to know the difference between genestealer hybrids.
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>>49263850
Or ork mega dreads.
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>>49263819
>>49263855
>>49263850
What if... battle suits were secretly giant, mutant tau?
Like, there secretly IS a giant monster under all that armour.
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Anyone have any good non-silver Necrons? I'm really considering starting but I already do Grey Knights and Doom Eagles, so I'm a bit sick of the color. Anything good?
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>>49263885
Do orks hardwire themselves into those too? Sorry, I don't know much about ork tech beyond just assuming it works because it does.
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>>49262869
>>49262897
>>49262915
Avernus lighter would be the obvious answer.
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>>49263897
The greatest deception of their ruling cast since they installed a hologram as a figurehead!
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>>49263902
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Maynarkh_Dynasty
Silver, but also red. My favorite one.

Black with blue highlights is another cool one
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>>49263423

I hope you dont play rpg's with that attitude.
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>>49263902
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>>49263905
yeah, they do
pretty sure its the only vehicle of theirs where they do that
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>>49263752
>>49263378
WHFB they all play skaven.
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>>49263902
>>49263943
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>>49261904

If you removed the ability to take Formations in Unbound, I am honestly convinced that Unbound would be more balanced than Battleforged.

And let's not delude ourselves by saying that the Eldar player who slaps down 3 Wraithknights that happen to be battleforged because they took a "tax" of Scat-bikes isn't a WAACfag.
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>>49263902

GET THOKT BUDDY
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>>49263866
MCs a bit weird
I think they have it there so they can function as giant battle robot infantry rules wise

> say GW created a new character, a deamon posessing a rhino, he had two robo arms holding a power sword and combat shield, he drove around tge place challenging warlords and commanders to epic duels
> is there a way you could actually represent that with the rulescwe have?
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>>49263953
I play Eldar and Skaven.
I have a penis.

What does it mean, lads?
>>49263960
Bronze crons are cool. I had a dynasty way back when that had their tomb world on a desert and I painted them all bronze with a purple trim and some black details. They were sick.
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>>49263920
>plastic arvus lighter
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hey faggots, hellbrute or maulerfiend? some dudes a disscusing that on a fb page and im wondering, wich one the fa/tg/uys prefer?

also, look at my new convertion
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>>49263950
Thats kinda neat. Anyway the point is GW should have some more communication and guidelines when designing codexes. Different authors all doing their own thing without really working together is one of the roots of why the game is so unbalanced.
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>>49263905
Yes, I can't find a good photo of the pilot modle but he has a bunch of cables in his back. But it is in the IA8 book fluff too. Mega Dreads are suposably extremely rare and are usually only seen in tribes with skilled mek boys are captured forge worlds.
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>>49264015
maulerfiends are better on the table, definitely, but helbrutes are much cooler.
>CRAZED, AGONIZED HALF-DEAD SPACE MARINES AAAAAA

sick kitbash btw
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>>49263251
They look really damn good. I'd do it as well, but (obviously) they don't come with aquila helmets and the idea of my regiment's planet's manufactorum providing women with different helmets for no reason infuriates my inner logistician.
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>>49264015
> everyone
> look at my wolf
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>>49264043
are you sure brother? i mean hellbrutes can depstrike and take range weapons, im more in favor for the hellbrute, but lets see what more people say
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>>49264054
Yeah, the lack of helmet is a bummer. I've been trying to disperse helmetless male heads throughout the ranks a bit to make them stand out less, but it's still not quite right. Again, would be real nice of GW just put out an upgrade sprue. I imagine there'd be plenty of people who would bulk buy helmeted lady heads.
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>>49264058
TO GRANDMA'S HOUSE WE GO!
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>>49263850

And this means I can't detonate those missile racks, or jam the servos in the knees, or give the pilot whiplash...how? Get in my fucking vehicle damage tables you cheating motherfuckers!
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>>49264096
Actually, you mightbe able to use that extra empty helmet that comes with each guard squad to cover a female head. Its only one or two females per squad but better than nothing(?) I guess.

Might also need to go to work on the head with a knife.
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I applaud the efforts to make 40k more female friendly, but we also need to make it more lgbt/trans-friendly.

There is a huge untapped market GW is barring themselves from by being a het white boys club. And frankly, times are changing. It is becoming morally questionable to have a product that so narrowly focuses on a privileged group.
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>>49263819

Keeping in theme presumably.

I'm not sure it could be called a "Battlesuit" or indeed any kind of "suit" if it didn't have wounds.


>>49263855

>The answer I got was that its a Suit not Armor so I would like to know as well.

This is mentioned in the lore for the Riptide that it is still considered to be worn, despite it being big enough that the Imperials constantly mistake it, and indeed smaller battlesuits, for walkers.

However this is called into question for larger suits such as the Storm Surge, which it clearly mentioned as being operated by former Hammerhead pilots (who can even be seen operating the thing like a tank in it's cockpit on the model).

Also, the largest of the Tau battlesuits is technically "Armor" as it's referred to as a "Supremacy Armor", for some unexplained reason.
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>>49264015
Sick Dark Angel Convert.

Helbrutes are what I see more. They have a formation that seems to require 3 Dark Vengeance Helbrutes. They are alright but I would be more scared of a Multimelta Dread in a pod like SM players throw around.
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>>49264188
Because Creed and Kell totally don't share the same hab-unit. Nope. Totally professional relationship!
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>>49264157
Tried that, would definitely need to take a knife to both. You might get away with less work with a bald head, but it'll still require some chopping. And Statuesque's stuff is metal, so that's probably even more of a pain.

Here's a pic of the latest one that I've actually painted up myself, rather than pinched from elsewhere.
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>>49264226
>They are alright but I would be more scared of a Multimelta Dread in a pod like SM players throw around.
haha yeah drop pods and good dreads, just like SM

sweet silky hand of death take me now
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>>49264188
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>>49264188
GW isnt female friendly. The Nid dex is bad.
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>>49264282
What would the Bait God be like in 40k?
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>>49264310
Mix of Cegorach and Tzeentch.
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>>49264302
And let's not forget about Kirby's rant in the most recent investor's report.
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>>49263950

Nope, Kans and Deff Dreads have hard-wired pilots too. In fact, only Orkanauts don't have hard-wired pilots, being instead piloted by Nobz. But for Kans and Dreads, Grots and Orks respectively are permanently attached to the walker, which is why Painboyz are included in the process. Fluff talks about feeding tubes and "horrific" attachment of leads and cables to the pilots.

Honestly though what really bugs me is that Ork-piloted walkers don't get 'Ere We Go whilst Dreads get Chapter Tactics.
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>>49264310
Gluttonous, desires to make people despair, shits in everthing to contaminate it

Gee i wonder
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>>49264352
The fuck's Kirby been mouthing off about now?

saveusrountree.jpg
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>>49261756
The sore where i pay 2000 points for what really amounts to 1600 points worth of effect.
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>>49264372
Giving a rallying cry against the looming bogeyman of enforced diversity in the manner yer auld da would.
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>>49264267
WE WUZ CADIANS N SHEET
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How does one deal with Harlequins, from what I can tell is they're cheap, powerful, hard weapons, great formations...
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>>49264206
Storm Surges were a terrible idea. They should be tanks.

If nothing else, why the fuck make a monster vehicle and leave the cockpit open? I have never understood that thought process
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>>49261904
Would a WAAC player bring a Hierophant and not a single flyrant or myetic spore?
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>>49264443
oh man i almost fell for that one
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>>49263960
That's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking of. Is there perhaps a way to make brass-ish colored Necrons, but rusted looking? Maybe Agrax Earthshade + drybrush, but I'd like to hear what anyone else might have tried
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>>49264443
>How does one deal with Harlequins
Have you tried shooting them?
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>>49261399
Oh hey...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1h35g9e42mnxow/Black%20Crusades%20-%20Traitors%20Hate.epub?dl=0
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So I heard SoB are being wiped out in Black Crusade. Anybody got the source for t his?
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>>49264538
Confirmed as genuine and working, ta buddy.
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>>49264188
>lgbt/trans-friendly.
To be fair, it's not like 40k isn't lgbt/trans-friendly. So far as I'm aware, there isn't anything in the fluff stating that they are looked down upon/not allowed. Also, romantic relationships aren't really mentioned or explored in 40k to begin with, heterosexual or otherwise. The only pieces I can remember reading that mention relationships of any sort are in Dead Men Walking and Ciaphas Cain, and in the latter case, it's usually insinuated more than blatantly described.
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>>49264539
It's just the rumourmill. They're just going to quietly fade into the background, most likely.
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>>49264539
That's incredibly unlikely. The SoB are spread out across the entire galaxy, and the 13th BC is centered around the Eye of Terror.
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>>49264538
Man reading that makes me want GW's goddamn paperdolls they use for painting examples.

B&C's is ancient and has little variety, the codexes seem to have pretty much every unit.
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>>49264538
You're doing the work of the Dark Gods anon
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>>49264582
The last relationship stuff came in the Beast Arises stuff. Mentions a IG officer who got pregnant and her husband died, she then blew up the planet with nukes.

It mentioned the Inquisitorial Rep, who was a woman, was having a relationship with her bodyguard, who was also a woman.
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>>49264582
Yeah, it's not like Future Space Xenophobia is going to get rid of conventional bigotry, especially in a theocratic society that values conformity. Still, there'll be a few thousands worlds across the Imperium where nobody cares, and the whole "humanity stands united" bit may justify people giving less of a shit.
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>>49264490
Use nihilakh oxide and typhus corrosion.
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>>49261399
Holy shit they weren't kidding. It's the same fucking powers with retarded names. Shit why even bother renaming them then
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>>49264411
That'd make sense if points were equal in the first place.
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>>49264673
Because Chaos has been moaning for the last 10 years that they don't get the stuff vanilla get?

Now you're complaining they DO get the same stuff?

The alternative is them making a whole new set (on top of their unique Chaos tables anyway) and then get attacked for them not being balanced. The AoD powers were pretty good.
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>>49263905
>>49263950

In older lore it mentioned that most Ork Killa Kans and Deff Dreads were operated by a series of levers and pulleys, as one would a vehicle so the Ork in question could maintain use of their legs.

In newer lore this has changed to Gretchin and Orks both being wired into Killa Kans and Deff Dreads respectively.

The only exception to this can be the Meka Dread, which is mentioned as sometimes being operated by buttons and levers as the Mek who built it wishes to retain the use of his legs.
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>>49264696
More of an issue that they didn't just give them the powers when they were first released.
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>>49264188
But seriously, this is what needs to be done:

>Drop Slaanesh - it's offensive to lgbt-people. Alternatively, make slaanesh more gray/morally questionable rather than outright evil.
>Introduce female space marines.
>Guard models should be at least 50:50 male/female.
>More focus on the role women and non-binary people in the 40k lore/books, especially the HH series. Maybe make one or two primachs canonically trans, it's ok if they are all kept biologically male then.
>Make the emperor more brown. He comes from the middle east - make it explicit, so that people don't assume he is another white male.
>Malcador should be a woman.
>Change the lore so that Horus rebels because he racist/sexist and he doesn't like the progressive changes the emperor is introducing.
>Cut out the lore about genocide of aliens and non-compliant humans by loyalist imperial forces. Good guys don't do such things.
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>>49264730
They have them now, stop complaining.
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>>49264538
Haha, oh wow, what a sad, sad formation...

More hated, and.. woo more combi-bolter shots.
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>>49264696
If I played chaos I would want some for me. Not just some pity from the writers.
> here you go Chaos marine players. Now you can be just like loyalists
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>>49264730
Well the problem is shit takes time. Just be glad GW is listening.
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>>49264739
still not as redundant as the waaaagh!-band
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>>49264737
Now that's some quality shitposting.

Obvious bait though. Have a you.
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>>49264747
But you have Slaanesh, Nurgle and Tzeentch power tables. Now you have the AoD ones on top. You now have exactly the same amount of tables as loyalists.

Loyalists have Rule Book + AoD + BA, SW and DA tables.
Chaos have Rule Book + AoD + Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh tables.
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>>49264765
I don't see how renaming a bunch of powers takes an intern more than an hour. GW has been real lazy of late.
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>>49264737
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I picked this up recently, and now I have 10 tactical marines to do something with. I already have a pretty decent force of Dark Angels and CSMs (for Kill Team), so I'm either gonna grab a few upgrade bits and give each of those a couple more special weapon options or use them to start a new Kill Team force. What chapter would be interesting to do? My Dark Angels are quite shooty. Can marines go any other way?
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>>49264797
>GW has been real lazy of late.

They've been way less than they used to be.
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>>49264766
Well Waagh band CAN apply it's bonus to the... Goff Kill-mob, oh man almost cant say it without laughing.
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What does /tg/ think of renegades and heretics?
I really want to build a chaos guard regiment with noise marines supporting.
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>>49264815
Mostly referrring to KT and traitors hate. They do a much better job when it comes to marines.
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>>49264188
It's not like 40k actively disenfranchise those small groups, who number in so few % compared to others in the world. There's no need to change an existence franchise to accommodate a few people.
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>>49264042

>Mega Dreads are suposably extremely rare

Any Ork machine, especially a Walker, being rare seems kind of odd.

I remember the older and instances of the newer lore siting Orks as cranking out things like Stompas fairly quickly and easily.
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>>49264739
Hey at least the Lord gets terminator gear for free!
Hey at least they bothered to remember Abbadon and Thyphus exist!
Hey at least they don't mishap and die and have reliable scattering!
Oh wait

I mean fucking hell lads, why not preferred enemy rather than more hatred? you know, that actually helps when fucking shooting twice.
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Am I reading this right....?

Kill Team Veteran = 22pts
Stormshield (replace CCW) = +10pts
Frag Cannon (replace Bolter) = +25pts

So, if I'm reading this right, 57 points for a Veteran with Frag Cannon + 3++?

I know it's totally stupid, but I like that idea. Especially because I love Forge World's Breacher Models, so I can just stick with Bolters + Shields. I ask because the Furor Formation needs at least one Frag Cannon in the squad, but I want the Shield uniformity.

Furthermore, if you get a Vanguard Vet and give it two different pistols, does it get to shoot both, it gets Gun Slinger, right?
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>>49264857
Maybe the Mega Dreads just need more advanced machinery they can't make with junk?
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>>49264834
I've only played them a little bit, running a noise-marine-supported army. They're pretty fun, with a ton of customization options to personalize your dudes. That being said, I'm not sure how well they'd do in a competitive game.
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So the new supplement doesn't give BA Dreadnoughts the extra attacks? How cunty of GW.
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Does anyone know of a good epub reader for PC?
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>>49263038
>I just can't see it happening.
the grenade launchers and lascannons are third generation

the autoguns are fourth generation

Perfectly doable. Just add in a couple hunched torsos and clawed arms.
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Is the orkurion worth fucking with at all or should i just go for a cad or unbound
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>>49264815
They also seem to be doing social media and community engagement, which has been anathema to them until recently.
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>>49264947
Readium

>>49264921
Shoo
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So a Necromunda game is about to be announced?

Anyone heard anything about this?
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>>49264970
We need to get on twitter and tumblr en masse and start pushing for progressive changes in 40k.
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>>49264857
That's what Forge World fluff says. IA8 says vary few gradsmen will ever see one. Somthing to do with the complex interface between mech and ork. The Mega Dread is supposed to be the most agile mech orks make and also extremely strong for its size. Its really the orks version of an imperial knight.
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>>49264901

I could believe that.
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>>49265035
You're going to be sorry when your shitposting actually does something.
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>>49265035
Good luck White Knight, you lead the charge. We will be right behind you.. I am sure.
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>>49264966
If you want power, it's trash, it's great for gimmicky games and you may score a win or two simply by surprising the enemy but CAD is WAY better, same with just clustering regular formations.

>>49265065
Better there than here, let them flail about in their containment zone
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>>49265051

>Its really the orks version of an imperial knight.

I keep hearing the Stompa is the closest thing Orks have to an Imperial Knight.
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>>49264905
I only play casual, I don't think I'll ever play competitive. People get nasty when winning or losing is that important.

But the thought of 80+ bodies on the table at 1000 points fills me with joy. My regular opponent plays necrons with lots of pie plates, so its going to be a challenge facing him with a horde. But one that I want to try.

for armor removal, are tanks the best route? how effective are the heavy weapon teams?
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>>49265035
40k is already on tumblr in force, and doing fine.
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>>49265134
someone answer me this, what the fuck is this weird tumblr style of drawing? It's everywhere on there, through multiple 'artists'.
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>>49265134
I watched 40k tumblr blow up the other day because of a prolonged "why cant there be female marines" argument. Very entertaining.
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>>49261399
Why did they reprint Kharn? Out of all the lazy, stupid bullshit in the book, this baffles me the most.
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>>49265101
Its more of my opinion than anything. In combat the Mega dread would probably fill a close support front line role. The stomps is more of a moble fire support platform with a CCW saw for dealing with super heavys that get too close.
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>>49265162
I'm guessing it's supposed to be "soft and inoffensive" or something.
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>>49265134
who the fuck wastes their time drawing that trash?

if some tumblrfaggot showed up at my LGS their miniatures would probably disappear 2bh. kek
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>>49265134
I don't think this comes from tumblr, they don't have drunkard noses.
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>>49265101
It's about twice a knight in all ways but and power

The closest in size/role is the Gorkanaught.
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>>49265229
Don't fuck with people's models, no matter how stupid they are, anon, you dick.
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A list for shits and giggles.

IRON WITHIN

Chaos Warband

Lord - 130
Bike
MoS
Power Sword
Plasma Pistol

Terminators - 110
3x Combi-plasma

2x 10-man CSM - 340
2x Plasma Guns

Bikers - 111
MoS
IoE
Plasma Guns
Power Sword

3x Havocs - 405
Plasma Guns
Rhinos - 105

1236/1250

IRON WITHOUT


I've crammed as much plasma in as possible so as to DECIMATE THE UNWORTHY.

Also, the autists of the IW are being led by DOOM RIDER and his rock band.
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>>49264795
Loyalists get better BRB power choice, and nurgle, tzeentch, and 3/4ths of slaanesh are utter dogshit though.

Psychic powers are still the most useful part of traitors hate though.
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>>49264737
I feel the need to congratulate you for that bait- somehow, despite you managed to nail the flow and tone of those people perfectly despite the joke. Bait should be ignored, but this... Is impressive
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>>49265162
After decades of intensive effort finally they've managed to create a breeding population of comic/manga half-breeds, that is the result.
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>>49265229

This is you
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>>49265252
why?

fuck them
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>>49265192
It's not a complete reprint. Always hitting on 2+ is now a rule native to Kharn, rather than something his axe does. Minor, but could matter if he lost it.
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>>49262935
>We already have some guys saying that 40K only has men
http://actuallyasisterofbattle.tumblr.com/post/150178090415/tharook-tharook-behold-the-adepta
A lot of people on tumblr believe so even though every army that "admits regular humans" (except the SoB) will stamp out any sexual dimorphism as a matter of process. The entirety of pic related can interchangeably have vaginas or cocks and it wouldn't change a thing.

>40K doesn't need what few female characters it has appear to be brutalized or abused.
Man this is the problem with most modern "diversity pushes". Like fuck, I'd be considered a "sjw" by most metrics on 4chan but even I think what most of the rest of the diversity crowd are pushing for is ridiculous.

For example
Company introduces new female characters into the setting.
They literally can't get hit, can't not have the moral high ground, or lose because people will cry muh empowerment.

Clear Pandering, Full Tits, Can't Lose!

>>49264188
I know this is a troll post but as >>49264582 already pointed out: lgbt people exist.

It's just that what parts they like and/or parts they have don't matter in the grand scheme of things when what matters is production or shooting xenos/chaos/other humans.
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>>49265313
>hey this guy's a fuckwad, let me fuck with his models

>hey asshole, why are you fucking with my models

>he proceeds to fuck with your models out of vengeance

vicious cycle
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>>49265337
oh i wouldnt do anything...

im just saying, their models would disappear

and the good ol boy crew wouldnt know how it happened.
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>>49264206
This reasoning you posted applies to dreadnoughts. Furthermore, you can't deny the decision is a profit oriented move by the company rather then a reflection of what represents the 40k world.
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>>49265378
well then you're just being a tremendous asshole for no reason

I don't think you'd seriously do that, but if you would actually consider doing that, consider the tangible magnitude between stealing some dude's models and whatever political beliefs he's espousing. Point is, you'd be the more immediate dick in this example.
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>>49264737
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>>49265378
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>>49264737
(you)
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>>49262935
>40K doesn't need what few female characters it has appear to be brutalized or abused.
in 40k EVERYONE is brutalized and abused

you dumb nigger
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>>49261512
Not competitive, but at least fun for casual games.
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>>49265313
Dude. No. That's the one line you don't cross.

Doesn't matter how much of an asshole they are, somebody created, paid for, assembled, and painted those. It's never okay, you should have too much respect for the creative process.
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>>49265378
people like you are not worth the carbon you're printed on
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>>49264411
Which would be what?
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>>49265406
>Point is, you'd be the more immediate dick in this example.
and thats a bad thing?
>>49265425
one time little timmy took his tau to the lgs...

little timmys tau were unpainted riptide wing and other shit, and nobody wanted to play him.

so little timmy threw a bitchfit and starting throwing stuff around the lgs.

so little timmy got booted, and his tau disappeared.

mr. owner said that little timmy shouldve bought them from him. little timmys tau died that day in the backroom to hammer and steel
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>>49265378
This is why people in my state carry guns. I don't know what kind of place you live where people don't protect their property.
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>>49262059
NO YOU GIVE TO ME HERE
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>>49265462
>>49265313
If my models got stolen at an lgs I would find out who the names of every single person there and would hunt them down one by one, probably sabotaging something important in their lives. Then I would burn down that lgs. Are you having that?
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>>49265173
Yeah, saw that while trawling. It's been the way it is for so long that a retcon would stick out like a sore thumb, and the Imperium doesn't really progress and bold new experiments (outside of a few Inquisitors and Magi). Also, there's the whole warrior monk thing to consider.
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>>49265488
Mr. Owner broke several laws and now he's in jail.
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>>49265489
yeah because tumblrinas carry guns

lol
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>>49265488
Wow haven't said this in a while but.. fuck off back to /v/herever you crawled out from.
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>>49265489
>implying tumblristas would carry guns
There as anti-funs as the rest of the left, arguably even more so.
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>>49265541
>what is pink pistols
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>>49265564
>gay=tumblrinas

Anon, please.
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>>49265334
>The entirety of pic related can interchangeably have vaginas or cocks and it wouldn't change a thing.
I've always found it ironic how SJWs rail against boob-plate and gender-specific armor, but then get equally pissed off when this is implemented and no one's gender is identifiable.
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>>49265564
i literally dont know, or care.
>>49265526
see
>>49265308
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>>49265594
If they don't know the gender they won't know who to hate.
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>>49265622
truth
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>>49265595
edgy or not. It's not hard I've done it (the burning part)
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>>49265274
pls to rate list
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>>49265564
>tumblrinas are the same thing as faggots
M8, you're a fucking retard.
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>>49265676
stop playing with matches little timmy
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>>49264803
>My Dark Angels are quite shooty. Can marines go any other way?

Make some bangles to go with your dangles
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>>49264921
Learn to faq faggot
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How to build casual Eldar?
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>>49265334
Diversity pushes are easy. Just throw a bunch in at once. That way you don't "have" to make them a shining example of their group.
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>>49266014
yeah that would go over really well
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>>49266006
Aspect Warriors, mostly melee-based.
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>>49266006
Hang on i have a text file for the two dozen other times it got asked..

Playing toned down Eldar:
Don’t spam anything, even if it’s not broken, it’s boring.
Limit use of Wraithguard units, exclude D-scythes entirely.
Limit yourself to one heavy weapon per 3 windriders.
Leave the Wraithknight in the display case unless you’re >2000 points
Forgeworld notes:
Even though the Lynx is now a Heavy support unit, treat it as a Lord of War (1/army, 0 below 1500 points)
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>>49265818
And wouldn't you know it, there's some fancy new BA stuff coming out soon. Still, if I were to go full melee, Black Templars may be more my speed. Or are they shit tier compared to BAs?
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>>49266006
autarch
guardians not on jetbikes
warwalkers
vypers
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>>49266056
And that will be able to go up against basically anything mid tier while still giving lower armies a chance?
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>>49266029
It really does. You put a single woman in somewhere and they're on point to be a decent representation of every possible ideal. Put a bunch in and you can have them be varying degrees of shitty and have awful things happen to some of them, just like you would with the men, and it'll be fine. Not even talking about a ream of important characters. Have a few guardswomen do the shrapnel dance along with their buddies.
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>>49262869
I want an ugly-ass vehicle. Already looted the Taurox, another beefy vroom vroom would go down well.
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>>49266119
It's a decent balance of curbing excess without making your army dull and restrictive.
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>>49266143
remember when they changed the name of the imperial guard?

remember how people are still pissed over that?

yeah, im sure making cadians 50% bitches would go over great
>>
Is there any way to make an all Deathwing Termy army work?
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>>49266171
Doesn't need to be Cadians, though I'm pretty sure the field female soldiers in the fluff. Everybody fights, nobody quits and all that. Hell, look at Starship Troopers for inspiration.

Also, having more women show up is hardly the same as changing the name of an army to something else purely for copyrighting purposes.
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>>49266156
Aight. How's this look chief? Less troops?
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>>49263251
Hmm. I wonder how they look on the Scions?
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>>49266246
Oh yeah, there's a seer council in there I didn't get in the screenie
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>>49266235
>Also, having more women show up is hardly the same as changing the name of an army to something else purely for copyrighting purposes.
yeah, its worse because its pandering to 'people' who dont even play the game or care about the game
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>>49266268
>'people'
WEW lad >>>/r9k/ is over there
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>Hey guys, we're gonna play a casual 700pt game because my friend here is still building his new army and doesn't have a lot of points.
>Show up with my casual Scion army.
>Eldar player across from me has a Wave Serpent, and that Poison Phoenix Lord.
>Space Marine player has Venerable Dreadnought, Deredeo Dreadnought, and a flyer.
>My and my friends face when.
At least I managed to win, but my friends can fuck off. I could've brought DEldar and cheesed them with monoscythe missiles, poison and dark lances, but I didn't.
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>>49266209
Yup
Step one: Make list
Step two: Find players that don't spam D weapons or grav guns
Step three: Play those players and have fun
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>>49266317
>/tg/ thinks they are above /r9k/ on the social ladder
kek
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>>49266319
Oh, I also forgot that the Eldar player brought those fucking knight guys with the D weapon flamers.
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>>49266354
even /soc/ rank above /r9k/
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How does the R'Varna's cluster fire rule work for units with different sizes (normal guys and very bulky guys for example)?
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>>49266354
>"social ladder"
man just leave
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>>49265594
>>49265622
>>49265646
Ha

I'm honestly tempted to carve male and female symbols into the base bottoms of my Skitarii to see if anyone "can tell the difference" without checking.

The sad bit is nobody who's pushing for this will ever see them because, and I hate admit that a lot of the louder "reee sjws get out" are right about this, few actually play tabletop. They will headcanon, fanfiction, and homebrew rules that make the SoB OP but they don't actually play.

>>49266014
Every Imperial faction straight up deletes sexual dimorphism except SoB
Tau already have female heads in their base troops or are inside suits
Eldar/DE are already relatively evenly split
Orks are already basically agender even they're called "boyz" ala Steven Universe before Steven Universe

I dunno anon, 40k seems more diverse than most settings already and this is coming from someone who'd be called a "sjw" on every board except maybe /co/?

>make IG female heads
So GW does that and we're good then.
right?
...right?
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>>49266398
Majority.
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>>49266399
thank you for proving my point
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>>49266255
Pretty good.
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>>49266410
The roleplaying games seem to be much more attractive to that particular crowd.

And yeah, IG female heads would be top tier. Maybe do a handful of torsos for officers/tank commanders/people without a flak vest and you're golden.
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>>49265535
> What is small claims court
> What is reduced sentence first time offender
> What the how they fuck would they find evidence anyway
Get out.
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>>49265438
Meme trash please go
>>
>>49263251
>>49266433

Somewhat related, how big are Scions next to modern Marine models? Can you swap torsos around? I was looking to convert up an Inquisitor using them as the basis.
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>>49266620
Marine torsos are a fair bit bigger.
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>>49266433

>sticking women's heads on thick manly bodies
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>>49266751
Skinny stick women won't cut it in battle, plus armour and combat fatigues.
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>>49266751
>implying /tg/ knows what women look like
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>>49266751
I've only ever seen one female IG conversion I liked.

most of the time people just lazily slap female heads on guard bodies, which never looks right
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In terms of tonnage, are Dreadnoughts and similarly sized walkers considered light?

I was looking at the size of a Mega Dread and for such a "heavy" and "monstrous" machine, it only weighs 25 tons.
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>>49264737
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>>49267048

What are you expecting from authors with zero knowledge of real life vehicles and engineering?
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>>49267048
In wh40k it's more on the lower end of middle wight.
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>>49266119
Ignore that guy. Play with casuals at your local shop and ask them what they want to play against.
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>trying summoning/malefic powers for the first time as daemons
>win by 16 points
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>>49264737
Please consider suicide.
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>>49267048
I'd say so.

Look at the armor values, and the fact that they're frequently air-dropped in pods, stormravens and thunderhawks.

They're infantry support in places proper tanks might have trouble reaching. That's also why you'd see them as infantry attachments in games like epic.
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>>49266751
Wut? Men and women in military uniforms look totally the same, except for their faces and possibly long hair on the woman.
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>>49266942
Lieutenant Mira when???
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>>49261501
Take 2 units of cultists to get belakor in a cad.
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Wait a second, the unit of spawn and the veterans of the legions have no formation bonuses even though they are Auxiliary choices??
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>>49267857
Correct. They aren't formations.
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>>49266422
Where is that supported though?
My interpretation of it is that you split the to hit pool between the different sizes, rolling to wound against whatever hits and strength correspond to the model. Saving is what makes it complicated as by my interpretation it would bypass closet model first as you would save the hits against the different sized models differently.
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>>49266410
I wouldn't mind a waifu inquisitor or two, I'm tried of jacking it to shadowsun.
>>
>>49267223
that and lots of exercise can negatively impact the size of tits and ass.
>>
>>49261399
Thanks nice guy
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