Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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First for best dorfs

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>>49246023
Baine Bloodhoof for Warchief when?

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NEW RTS WHEN BLIZZARD?

>>49246233
Didn't they sorta confirm WC4 is a thing?

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>tfw Night Elves might be getting Paladin next expac.

>>49246247
no

>>49246296
>next expac
Ugh,disgusting.

I was kinda hoping this would be the last one.

I mean all the build up,all the important characters returning to life/dying,all the artifact weapons, all the ''you're the boss of all <your class> now!''.

The legion has decades of build up as the final foe.

Fuck ''the void lords'',they're literally some ''shit we need a bigger threat so we can keep churning out expacs'' bullshit.

What do you suppose alternate Azeroth is like? Like from the WoD timeline.

>>49246333
witnessed

We do know that we only deal with the avatar of sargeras this expansion and that the attack on argus is gonna be like 50 years in the future.

Which makes me hope that there will be a cut with the possibility of a wc4/wow2.

>>49246431
Would half the player characters even be alive for that?

>>49246428
Don't think about it.

If you think about it you start asking yourself questions such as ''did the legion,who exists outside of time,fail a million alternate timeline war of the ancients/hyjal invasions of Azeroth?did they succeed in some?If so why do they care about ours in specific?How the fuck can you wipe out all of existence if you can just keep spawning more and more alternate dimensions?''

I don't get why people are so up in arms about there being things a level above the old gods.

I mean, if there were something above that, I would get it.

Also, if it's established you have to be smart as balls to mage it up, how do ogres measure up?

>>49246296
If night elves are getting paladins then trolls should get some surviving zandalari to teach the darkspear to be paladins

>>49246625
The only way it'd make sense is if our Azeroth was the "Prime" Universe, the one that all the others sprung from and blowing it up would crash the web.
Like the original Comic TMNT universe or Earth-0/Prime in DC.

>>49246544
Considering that ~45% of all characters are elves, and that things like dwarves, undead and dreanei are also a thing, I dare to say yes

>>49246770
>~45% of all characters are elves
Objectively wrong.

>>49246625
If there's only one Burning Legion, then is there only one Illidari?

>>49246428
Overrun. Because green Jesus wasn't there to save the day.

>>49246920
>army of light is literally infinite Illidans
>Sargerite Keystone allows multiverse travel
>this is actually Illidan's plan
Aaah why the fuck did blizzard put in this stupid detail about the legion?

>>49246939
Overrun by what? The Legion got stopped on Draenor, the Horde never invaded, Ner'zhul never got stuck in a block of ice so no Scourge.

>>49246755
Honestly, I'm okay with the Void Lords stuff. No worse than some of the other stuff Blizz has thrown into the game.

And there's a reason Ogre mages all have two heads.

>>49246755
but the greatest mage of all time was an ogre
show some fucking respect, peasant

>>49246992
No idea. I actually stopped playing WoD a few months in, so most of the alt timeline shit is unknown to me. Didn't even know about the Naaru/Void God shit until I was leveling characters for Legion.

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>>49247059
Aegwynn was an ogre? News to me.

>>49247096
>greatest mage of all time
>didn't have her own empire
>didn't command the arcane
is this the work of that traitor, Cho'gall?

>>49246296
>>49246757
If Elune is a naaru, then nelf "paladins" would be knights of Elune, which would make for an even bigger story and gameplay segregation than tauren sunwalkers

>>49247166
>If Elune is a naaru, then nelf "paladins" would be knights of Elune, which would make for an even bigger story and gameplay segregation than tauren sunwalkers

As revealed in Legion, the Naaru are creations of Elune. So she's more like the creator of the Naaru rather than "just" one of them. She made the Prime Naaru, Xe'ra, and then all the other naaru were born from it.

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>>49247205
What

>>49247233

Well Tyrande already told Velen he was full of shit when he claimed Elune was a naaru, and the fan backlash against the idea made it easy for them to retcon it since pretty much nobody liked it to begin with.


>I was going through some ancient cosmology tomes when I stumbled upon a passage indicating that the prime naaru may have been created by Elune during the great ordering of Light and Shadow.

>If Elune did create Xe'ra, then it stands to reason that we could use the Tears of Elune to unlock the secrets of Light's Heart.

(And this does work, confirming the theory)

>>49247205
Tyrande please

>>49247295
>>49247205
Thus proving that the Naaru are not, in fact, void-beings "corrupted" by the Light.

See? The knife lies.

>>49247295
So then what is Elune?

>>49247347

God.

>>49246914
>the different bars that showed the population of a race weren't for Male/Female but for EU/US

I'm partially retarded. Still, the elves count for roughly 25% of the playerbase, and the other immortal/long lived races also add up to 19%, so I still say that more than half of the characters will be alive and kickin'

>>49247347
Azeroth's growing personality manifesting itself

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>>49247347

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>>49247324
>calling elves "knife ears"

>>49247423

That's unlikely given that Elune seems to have been sentient and sapient way way back in time and the titan inside Azeroth is still barely developed and can only communicate with one dude. Unless it somehow regressed into babby form for some reason.

So what the fuck happens when Azeroth is 'born'? Does it just turn into a giant humanoid and everyone on it fucking dies?

Does it go Primus/Unicron from Transformers and stay in planetto modo?

>>49247520
We go Tengen Toppa Mythic Raider.

>>49247520
Assuming that's how the other titans work.

Though I think Azzy is too infected with old god to ever let get to maturity.

>>49247520
Nobody knows. All who do are dead, want to cleave planets with giant Flaming Vorpal Longsword +4's or stick their tentacles deep into the moist quivering titan-to-be and do some stem cell research.

>>49247520
she unfolds like an armadillo and we all live on her back

why do you think Kalimdor was a big circle in the exact center of the planet's surface?

Which RPG would work best for a Warcraft campaign?

>>49247822
Warcraft

>>49247822
Mutants & Masterminds. The shit you can do sometimes as a PC is bonkers. Plus, the game allows proper parity between casters and melee fighters.

>>49247465
He's talking about Xal'atath, anon.

Troll shadow priests are the only ones that make sense because bwonsambi is a loa of death that uses shadow magic so he can bestow it to his followers (I guess you could do an asspull and say forsaken work too because the shadow aspect of being undead)

>>49249338
The Old Gods accept all, anon.

>>49249338
>you could do an asspull and say forsaken work too because the shadow aspect of being undead
Lore-wise, majority of forsaken priests are shadow priests because channeling the Light both hurts them and returns their feeling. You don't want your feeling returned when you're a partially rotted corpse

>>49247486
>for some reason.
Possibly 'has had its ass ripped back by the Sundering and everyone trying to hump world trees.'

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>>49246116
>literally the worst of the three choices
c'mon friend.
Sylvanas is Warchief because she's arguably stronger and definitely more experienced than Baine or Lor'Themar.
My money would be on mr.belfboi for bestleader, but it's important to consider (which apparently Blizz did not) that the Horde as a whole would be more likely to follow Baine. Y'know, since he's a true-blooded tauren.

I don't think the orcs would adapt well to being the pawns of a corpse.

>mfw Garrosh would've lead the horde to greatness against the Legion

>>49249699
>Horde as a whole would be more likely to follow Baine.
I'm still wondering why they put Sylvanas in charge, then, since the Horde as a whole is sick of her shady ass.

>>49249699
No, Sylvanas is warchief because Kosak can't stop masturbating to her. There is literally no good in-universe reason for it.

>>49249699
>lead the horde to greatness
He's have thrown all his soldiers into a head on conflict that would grind them into mince meat, without actually inflicting significant losses to the Legion.

He was a hammer and nail sort of war leader: No subtlety, no foresight, just throwing bodies at it.

Which is great if he's got a strategic mind pointing him at the right targets to bum rush, but he's a shit general. Only succeeds through numbers and calling on the goblins' explosive fetish.

>>49247072
That stuff isn't from WoD. The only place that stuff was talked about before Legion was the Chronicles books they started putting out not that long ago.

>>49249773
>>49249778
Sylvanas is in charge because it's an easy way to keep the pants-on-head faction rivalry going. Vol'jin and Baine are too reasonable, especially with Anduin on the Alliance side.

But then again, pretty much ALL of the Legion lore is pants-on-head, so I'm not actually surprised in the slightest.

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>>49249778
>most experienced as a leader
>had a huge hand in defeating the lich king
>the only "Forsaken" to have a non-human body
>has tangled with the legion in her own city
experience is everything right now. It's not SJW bullshit or writerfapping imo. Just the clear choice based on their circumstance.
>>49249773
"Vol'jin is dead... who wants to help me avenge him!"
wow such warchief speech emanating strength wow. Any orc willingly laying down their life for that zombie is haraam as fuck.
>>49249822
he learned a lot from Saurfang during Wrath. The way he acted during council sessions and warplans make him out to be more than just a smorcface zugzug leader.

Shit on him all you like, but I guarantee he would've mana-nuked most of the Legion into ash by now.

aaand
>mfw everyone treated garrosh like shit since day 1 of him being warchief
>they were all against him, and acted so surprised when he didnt treat them like allies anymore
>literally betrayed by your own faction-leaders over some highschool level drama
>isolated within your own group, unable to trust anyone
>everyone is sneaking some bullshit behind your back
>or rubbing it in your face like the fucking lich queen

"haha wow i thought my death threats and constantly shown yet unwarranted hate for him would make him a better warchief."

>>49250374

Dat Godfrey Ho gif doe

>>49250374
>garrosh dindu nuffin
>sylvie dindu nuffin
>dey just victims!
Go fuck yourself, kid.

>>49246428
Without the Horde invasion or the Scourge to unify them, the human kingdoms have gradually gone from distrusting and avoiding each other to outright war.

King Arthas the Just of Lordaeron has bought a temporary alliance with Kul'tiras by marrying Admiral Jaina Proudmoore, and together they wage an increasingly bitter and costly war against Stormwind's aging king, Llane Wrynn, and his most renowned champion, General Varian Wrynn.

Stromgarde and Alterac shift their allegiances every few years as they try to find a balance between the two growing superpowers, while Ironforge and Quel'thalas have both closed their borders to human traders and diplomats entirely. Though travellers and explorers in the northeastern forests are still regularly turned back by stoic Elven rangers, those who have ventured near Dun Morogh or Loch Modan recently have reported only impassable walls enchanted with glowing runes with watchtowers that sit strangely silent and empty, and great plumes of fire and smoke rising from Blackrock Mountain in the distance.

Meanwhile rumours abound that Medivh, leader of the Kirin Tor and Guardian of Dalaran, has made some sort of arrangement with King Greymane of Gilneas and the two are delving into forbidden magics. Wild, feral creatures have been seen stalking the Gilnean hinterlands at night...

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Thought you lads might appreciate my Khorne Bloodbound from Age of Sigmar

>>49250739
raidtrash/10

pretty cool anon.

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>>49250894
That's how you slaughter entire villages.

>>49250421
>literally can't articulate an argument
>lapses into internet tough-guy racial slang
Mmm, I bet you don't have a worthwhile opinion anyway

>>49250972
meant for >>49250894

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>>49250421
reading comprehension 1/100

good job, retard

>>49250894
Loktar/ogar

The last piece of lore regarding Elune is pure bullshit.

I know, since the nelves got into the story, she always had a thin background.

But putting her as super-entity, creator of naarus n' shit, in a setting where abrahamic-like gods/goddesses are non-existent is, imho, a fuckup to coherence.

>>49247295
>>49247324
Unless Elune originated from the Void as well.
A rogue Void Lord? And they are her Old Gods?

>>49251310
What if she is a guardian to Azeroth, the egg, and resides in the moon? Lending her ability to the living on Azeroth to help keep it safe.

>>49249778
To be fair, it's not just Kosak.

Sylvanas is way more popular than she ought to be.

>>49251414
The only reason I see this perhaps working is because of how the cinematic with her went down. Elune evokes her power, and the moon gets eclipsed.

Were Dranosh and Garrosh friends? Were there any interactions between the two of them before Wrath Gate?

>>49251922
Not really, though you think they would be. Along with the guy who was Kilrogg's son.

>>49251984
Shame. Was just thinking of a timeline where instead Garrosh gets Deathbringer'd and we get Saurfang Jr. As warchief for Cata

>>49243550

Wait, theres a scourge civil war?

>>49250374
You know Garrosh started to insult Vol'jin because Vol'jin was acting as an advisor and advised him not to do what he was about to do so Garrosh went off on him until Vol'jin said the truth and Garrosh threatend to have him killed which in turn led to the whole I'll shoot you in the back when you betray the horde speech.

Garroshfags always bring up Vol'jin giving Garrosh the finger but they always ignore the fact that Garrosh threatened to have Vol'jin killed because he hurt his feelings when he said the truth.

Tauren warlocks when?

>>49252090
You mean we would get a warchief that listens to his advisors instead of having a fit when advised against something?

He would be "already better than Garrosh" - tier

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>>49252444
>inb4 Magatha welcomed back into Thunder Bluff as a temporary measure to fight the Legion, bringing Grimtotem Warlocks with her
>inb4 she actually begins to find herself trusting and respecting Baine, and softening on her hatred for other races
>inb4 she starts actually feeling remorse for what she's done
>inb4 he forgives her and tells her they can work together to heal the rift in their people
>inb4 the Sunwalkers are just as willing to forgive

>>49252444
Forsaken paladins when?

>>49252867
When using the Light doesn't slowly restore the life to their bodies.

>>49252867
>>49252899
Forsaken Holy priests are still a thing, so let me repeat his question.
Forsaken Paladins when?

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>>49252389
Thrall trusted Vol'Jin to be wise. A guide. Not an authority.

Even though VJ understood why Garrosh must be warchief, he acted proudly and flippant before they traded death threats.

>overlord krom'gar died for nothing because they 180'd garrosh's story into a brick wall

from honorbound to hitlertown.
I feel robbed.

>>49253017
they are canonically all shadow priests with very few exceptions retard.

>Blizz still wants to trick us into a crafting system when we could just as well purchase the materials for and set up automated assembly lines because Azeroth is well at the tech level for that

Really makes you think

>>49253114
you realize your pic isnt wrong at all right? thats like a kid laughing when he hears the name Uranus

>>49253178
>oy vey, this manufacturing machine is anudda internment act!

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>>49253159
Really?

>>49253305
>...though they may wish they would

iktf

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So what's up with the Darkmoon Faire?
Old gods or some shit, right? Isn't it always?

>>49253183
>molestation is fine
>/vg/ 2016

>>49253410
It's fine if it aint a human

>Legion_Commander.jpg

>>49253382
Sponsors, I guess.

>>49253305
>priests talk all about dat shadow
>causes physical pain
>feel abandoned by the light and left to die

totally paladin material

>>49253410
>I can only think literally
>dorn 39999

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>>49253382

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>>49253382
Why anon, it's the happiest place on Azeroth, of course!


Just don't be causing any trouble at the faire though. Bad things happen to troublemakers at the faire.

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>The Blood Elves have completely forgotten the meaning of sacrifice now that the sunwell's back, and we're just High Elves again.
>Red's the new blue, our eyes glow green now and nobody mentions the statues of the Last Prince of Quel'thalas everywhere
>Our former Ranger-General is perpetually stuck in time-out for all her warcrimes and she's never going to grow as a person or just go all the way
>I'm stuck at 3 in the morning sadly PVPing to Nightfall in Middle Earth
I was going to say something about the Lich King never coming back to save us from this hell but then I remembered Bolvar's makin' it big. Time to sleep.

>>49254072
you should kill some blood elves.

>>49252552

>Magatha becomes Baine's love interest

You know it would happen

The talk a while ago of the two hero classes teaming up got me thinking, would it be possible, in theory, to raise a Demon Hunter as a Death Knight or initiate a Death Knight into demon hunting to create retardedly OP super soldiers?

>>>/vg/154269532

>>49246296
Lore-wise they already have them. The Priestesses of Elune were heavy-armored, moonsaber-mounted warrior-priestesses that used lance, warglaive and crossbows in addition to their divine powers.

Then Kosak got put in charge of WoW's lore, and his raging hate boner for every female warcraft character other than Sylvannas (for whom he has a regular boner) and gutted everything that made Night Elves interesting.

>>49253410
You can molest someone without it being sexual.

>>49254571
>death knight with wings, Fel Rush and Metamorphosis
>warglaives infused with runes
Get one of those on your bad side and Azeroth is doomed.

I suspect that demons/those with demon blood can't be raised as a death knight though, and likewise being dead might prevent you from drinking the demon kool-aid. I don't think there's any lore explicitly preventing it, yet, though.

>>49255117
>I suspect that demons/those with demon blood can't be raised as a death knight though

Considering DHs apparently have that "Immortal Demon Soul" bullcrap, raising their body would likely result in a mindless zombie, not a proper intelligent undead like DKs are.

>>49255126
That's just the player DH, not every DH has that.

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>>49254585

>>49250374
>"Vol'jin is dead... who wants to help me avenge him!"

>first significant thing Sylvie does as Warchief is once again turn Saturday Morning Villain and try to kidnap a Val'kyr so she can keep on cheating the hangman

Pure pottery. Vol'jin was probably spinning in his grave.

>>49255548
>Sylvanas resurrecting former warchiefs as undead bodyguards when?

>>49249699
She IMMEDIATELY ditched the Horde for a shady mission to fuck over a crucial ally for the fight against the Burning Legion.

Not ten seconds after Vol'jin was dead.

>>49251131
I mean its been made. Garrosh ignored his advisors because he was a racist and they didn't tell him what he wanted to hear, drank an Old One heart because he was a sucker, and the whole iron horde thing again showed that he was incapable of thinking about anything other than "I want to be in charge and fuck anything bigger than myself.". He was literally sitting on a plan to make an infinite fighting force that could possibly counter the Legion's numbers and sabotaged it because a dragon hurt his feelings.

He was absolutely right when he told Thrall he'd be a terrible boss and couldn't handle leading a multi-national organization like the Horde. Thrall's fatal flaw has always been an inability to find good lieutenants; for every Saurifang there's a Ragnar Earthfury and Thrall also had the whole, "Garrosh is a pure untainted orc and I'm super hard for them and their pure brown skin." thing that the game introduced for some goddamn reason.

anyway. tldr; Thrall made mistakes and should've owned up to them in the cinematic but Garrosh made fatal mistakes as Warchief from day one. He might've made a good one if given a decade to calm the fuck down before getting the big promotion but Deathwing happened.

>>49251655
it's literally just because she's a hot elf. if she was actually rotting at all and had her jaw missing like a real forsaken woman I guarantee she would all of a sudden get a lot less screentime.

>>49253178
I mean they have the technology the problem is they haven't had a moment's peace to set up infrastructure. Look how long it took Stormwind to fix a fucking park.

You also have druids going, "Guys guys lets masturbate to this fantasy world where no intelligent life screwed up Azeroth wouldn't that be great?!" but druids being huge fuckups went from subtext to TEXT this expack I don't even feel like making fun of the poor guys anymore.

>>49247520
my money is on azeroth being sort of an emerald dream for the titans. perhaps when azeroth is born it will show us the secrets of the titans powers, thus creating an entire planet of those who wield the power of the titans. seeing as the rest of the titans are dead I should think they would've had a backup plan just in case.

>>49249338
>tfw you managed to pull the name Bwonsamdi for your troll rogue bcs the NPC isn't in the game anymore.

>>49255117
>inmune to old god and demon koolaid

Azeroth confirmed for UD titan

>>49255117
>I suspect that demons/those with demon blood can't be raised as a death knight though,
that would have made the Mannoroth fight in HFC a lot more interesting

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>>49254038
What's that I hear about troublemakers at the fair?!

>>49255180
i think from how they put it when you drink the demon kool-aid you get a random variety of demon mutations, tzeentch style. most of them are useful though, such as scales for armor, and the spectral sight. demon soul is just another mutation.

>>49255835
>spectral sight
You get that when you remove your eyes

>>49253382
I'm fairly certain that the little gnome fucker is a refugee from another world that the titans put mechagnomes onto and subsequently got Legioned.
He's just been hopping from world to world and decided to stay on azeroth while it keeps managing to hold off the Legion.

>>49255180
The random DH you can sacrifice in the starter quest also has his soul remain conscious after death (he shows up in your class hall, and you can talk to him). However, unlike the player DH, he's not strong enough to return to his body and is now permanently stuck hanging in the Nether as an incorporeal soul.

>>49256115
which is weird, considering that the reason for the sacrifice is that the portal needs to absorb more souls to function. A sacrificed DH should be absorbed just like the demons whose souls powered the first portal

>>49255720
>Literally sitting on a plan to make an infinite army and sabotaged it because a dragon hurt his feelings.

That army wouldn't have fought the Legion. The quest itself where you go to find out what happen points to Kairoz being an Infinite Dragonflight agent, to the point where he literally shouts "I AM INFINITE!". Garrosh might as well have known Kairoz was up to shady shit and put him down fast.

>>49256192
I thought the whole idea was to make a super army to counter the Legion? Like yeah he was real Infinite but was supposed to be a precursor to the bronzes losing it instead of a real member of the Infinite dragonflight. Maybe I need to do the quest again.

Either way went out like a bitch.

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What do nightborne have against shoes?

>>49256328
Do you not see those toenails?

>>49256328
Maybe they're foot fetishists?

>>49256353
>tfw Griftah's Authetntic Troll Shoes

>>49256333
Sandals, then.

>>49256328
What fuck do draenei and tauren have tho? Give them horse shoes at least.

Trolls are brutes and worgen are filthy so they dont count

I need help. I need the Monster Guide/Manual book for World of Warcraft RPG. I downloaded what I got from you guys a while back, but this was missing for some reason. I was wondering why the hell I couldn't look up Onyxia or Kel'Thuzad. Anyone have it on hand?

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>>49246023
So, long time vet who ignored Legion until now.
What the fuck is going on with Death Knights? I heard they are going full Arthurian, running around being grumpy paragons of chivalry.

Does this general ever get on to talking about the tabletop aspects this game has going for it has or is it just for bitching about shity post RTS lore?

>>49256463
death knights are going full Scourge again, right down to getting tricked by the LK into suiciding at Light's Hope
this time they get better though

>>49256328
Arcane shoes, self-cleaning and lets the feet breathe.

>>49256353

Elves and trolls always have been foot fetish fap fodder in Warcraft, even back in WC3

>>49256368

Not enough people mog those, in my opinion. It's the only option for plate wearers too. The other classes all have at least one barefoot shoe option.

>>49256659
>>49256368
>Slutmogging

>>49256463
they're suffering pretty well desu.

>>49256811

>bare feet
>slutmog

>>49256397
Anyone mind helping me out, please? It's the one thing I'm missing.

>>49257011
For the most part no one here actually plays the tabletop games they just like to memepost about WOW

>>49256811
there is literally nothing wrong with letting your character's feet breathe while she explores

>>49256998
>>49257075
>Footfags

>>49256811

Nothing wrong with it. Most female players I've known have had at least one character in a slutmog.

>>49257141
I wouldn't mind slutmog if not for the retarded colors. Seeing a purple Nelf in a neon orange/gold bikini makes my eyes bleed.

>>49257078
>tfw not a foot fag but still use them because boots + shorts looks ridiculous and I don't like any of the normal shoe appearances I have

>>49257170

yeah, color coordination is definitely important

humans have it easy because their skin goes with anything

>>49256328
Where the heck is her bodyfat, god damn

>>49257361
a diet of nothing but arcwine and demon juice plays hell with your BF%

>>49257361
Displaced by magical meth addiction.

>>49256811
>>49257078
I dunno, it could work for monks. Or if you're going for a shipwrecked kinda look.

As someone who has never gotten very far in WoW, what is the difference between a dungeon and a raid?

>>49257728
dungeons are for 5 people, raids are 10-40 depending on the expansion and raid

>>49257728
Dungeon is a small instance of a few bosses with 5 people. Raids are larger instances wth harder bosses and needs 25 or more people.

>>49257662

A lot of classes/races like to go barefoot canonically in WoW. Night elves, trolls, goblins and orcs all do it often. Tauren and draenei of course have hooves. And humans occasionally do it

>>49249699
>mfw Garrosh would've lead the horde to greatness against the Legion

Like he led the Iron Cucks into Azeroth?

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>>49257361
At about 12-15% body fat. Pretty good for a woman, but her abs could use some definition

t. /fit/izen

>>49257361

Nightborne are skinny as fuck due to living under a magic bubble for 10K years and being nourished by the Nightwell. When they become Nightfallen they become virtually skeletal

>>49257038
I can hope, god damn it.

>>49258094
That looks like Saga. Is that Saga? I stopped reading it soon after Prince-TV-for-a-head and Satyr-like-protagonist-guy teamed up to save their kids.

Huge eldritch space babies just might make me pick it up again.

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>>49258246
>Can see the outlines of majority of her muscle groups when relaxed
>Pretty good

>>49253480
Well yeah

Those strong enough to hold fast to the light despite all the suffering that has been heaped upon them, and all they must go through further to use the light, would obviously be excellent paladin material

>>49258604
At this point I'd be fine with all races getting access to all the basic classes, with hero classes being more race-specific.

>>49258757
I'm not entirely on board with this

Most of them work, but paladins, warlocks, shamans and druids should probably remain at least kind of exclusive

Especially druids

>>49258757
I kind of wish Derp Knights excluded Draenei and Tauren.
Draenei are literally filled with the Light and Tauren have special rites they preform with their dead, both are reasonably protected from undeath.

>>49256328
After you spend 10,000 years running through wilderness barefoot, you don't really need shoes anymore. She probably sounds like a horse in hard ground.

>>49253410
youre literally an idiot and dont understand the english language. just look up the definition of it you tard. i hate to be the one to tell you but words can have more than one meaning

>>49258845
I kind of wish ordinary tauren, not just DKs, could be full white

Actually I wish there was some sort of rule system about appearances where some things are only available to some classes, rather than just DKs and DHs having unique things

Like, Tauren can be full white, but only if they're shamans or druids. Dwarves can have wildhammer tattoos, but not if they're priests, paladins, mages or warlocks. Alternatively, they can be dark iron, but only if they aren't priests, paladins, or shamans (or have wildhammer tattoos)

Okay, tell me about this Kosak guy.

I only started hearing the name after Legion hit, and the name drops more than Chris Metzen now

Now I didn't care much for Metzen and his green Jesus OC at all, but not everything thats bad taste in the older expansions can be pinned on him. So far all I can say this expansion is that Sylvanas just looks even more of an evil retard instead of a reasonable war chief. What with the whole trying to dominate the head Val'kyr and put her needs ahead of the Horde.

>>49247121
FUCKING PROFLIGATES, REEEEEE.

Gordian or go home.

>>49259065
Kodak is the lead writer for WoW. Sylvanas is his waifu so she has to always be the center of attention and can rarely lose. Also Warcraft 2 was his favorite in the series so the focus of the game has to be on the Horde/Alliance war and the Horde is always the bad guys.

>>49259065
Let me ask you, why do you call Thrall "green jesus"? What has he done to earn that moniker?

>>49259404
In Cata he had a fuck huge role, like becoming the new Aspect of the Earth to start. He pretty much was center stage the entire expansion, stealing the thunder from players and other NPCs. Add onto his sanctimonious attitude about cooperation (despite never having done anything to help foster it, compared to what pre-psycho Jaina has had to give up over the years)

>>49259644
OK, so, pretty much all of that?

Kosak's fault, not Metzen's.

Kosak was lead writer for WoW from Cataclysm onwards. Anything shitty Thrall did from Cataclysm onwards was Kosak's decision

>>49259644
>never having done anything to foster it
>what is "keeping the Orcs in line after getting them out of the camps so they didn't just start rampaging again"
>what is "making sure Grom made it to Mannonroth to kill him so they could be free of the blood rage"
>what is "giving her the benefit of the doubt when her troops started attacking the nascent Orgrimmar for no real reason"

>>49259782
Warcraft 3 Thrall is a different beast from WoW Thrall.

>>49259804
Warcraft 3 Thrall is pretty much identical to Vanilla WoW Thrall

>>49259404
Deathwing, the dragon aspect of earth went crazy due to the old gods corruption.
So Thrall, who was a powerful shaman was chosen by the elements to fill that role instead.

>>49259644
Honestly I'd have just flipped the aspects to mortals at the end of Cata then and there. None of them have done much since then except Ysera getting corrupted and dying, and "new aspects having to adjust to their new jobs." is a cooler storyline than "Thrall getting a promotion he does nothing with."

>>49259857
What about the Warsong encroachment into Night Elf territory and their deforestation?

>>49259986
Thrall repeating a mistake

He tends to do that a lot, especially when the Warsong were involved

>>49260020
"Its okay they'll shape up this time just like Daddy Grom." he says, as everything burns behind him.

also, y'know, they needed the resources. The Night elves going "FUCK OFF OUR WOODS" is one of the more reasonable conflicts for the orcs, who's starting area is frigging desolate.

>>49260115
There'd be less of a conflict if the Orcs would just learn how to build things out of stone.
Or even dig things out of stone.

>>49260115
>FUCK OFF OUR WOODS

It's a bit more than that, since those are their sacred woods. Like actually sacred, not "sacred because we say so". And the mass deforestation is a big no no.

>>49254432
>Granny fucks young bull

>>49255548
>Vol'jin wanted to be cremated so sylvie coulden't fuck his dead body

>>49259984
That's pretty much exactly what happened. The aspects sacrificed most of their power to empower the Dragon Soul and nuke Deathwing with it. Alexstraze, Ysera, and the the others are now just powerful dragons rather than full demigods, and Trall being the Earth-Warder just means he's a powerful shaman with lot of influence over elements, rather than a demigd who could rearrange continents to his will.

Also, a side effect of the whole thing was apparently turning all dragons sterile, because Blizzard decided to wipe out everything Knaak has written, including the entirity of the dragonflights.

>>49260218
Windrunner pussies are strictly for human use only, no filthy trolls allowed

>>49260150
I wish the orcs would get an architecture upgrade, I really liked a lot of the iron horde stuff better than the "giant tents" stuff the PC horde has in Orgrimmar. I feel like that town needs a fresh coat of paint.

>>49260319
Wait, the whole dragonflight thing was written by Knaak?

>>49260660
Yeah, he basically made all the post WC2 dragonlore with Day of the Dragon. If I recall, he called up Chris Metzen and said he'd like to write a Warcraft novel, and Metzen was ecstatic because "Mr. Dragonlance" (Metzens words, not mine) wanted to play in Metzen's sandbox.

Jeff Grubb was the best writer Blizzard novel writer, between Liberty's Crusade and The Last Guardian. Mel Odom's The Black Road (Diablo) was also really good.

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>>49260319
Alex even explicitly says after the Deathwing fight that Azeroth now lives in the "age of mortals," and that it falls upon the mortal champions of the realm to protect the planet.

Which is a very elegant way of saying "Azeroth is not our problem anymore, so we're just gonna fuck off and let you fix everything from now on. You got the track record for it."

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>>49260866
That Deathwing thing probably could've been solved a lot simpler

>>49260919
Well, apparently the reason Neltharion got corrupted by the Old Gods in the first place was that they promised him Alex and Ysera as sex slaves.

>>49260319
The problem with how the whole thing was written is that it makes the dragonflights a self-fulfilling prophesy

The dragonflights were created to fight some vague evil, then the vague evil turned out to be deathwing, who only became the vague evil because he was the earth warder

Which is a giant cop out to avoid ever having to worry about the dragonflights ever again

>>49260996
I thought they were created by the Titans to help order and safeguard the world, which each Aspect given control over some particular force they would manage (Malygos in charge of magic, Nozdormu making sure some chucklefucks don't mess with the timeline and cause something like WoD to happen, etc.). Unfortunately Neltharion's post as the Aspect of Earth made him to come into contact with the Old Gods (who were locked deep under ground), who promiced him all the sweet dragonpussy he'd want if he'd betray his fellows and blow up the world.

>>49260979
Can we just agree that the Titans were not clever?

>Gee, let's put one of our most powerful lieutenants right next to the prison of our eldritch enemies, despite the fact that if we die or something nobody will be able to cure the insanity their whispers will inevitably cause!
>That's a great idea, Aman'thul! I'll let Khaz'goroth, Eonar, and Norgannon know right away! Also I haven't heard from Sargeras since you guys yelled at him for killing those other abominations and our unborn sibling. Anyone know where he is? I'm kind of worried.
>Nope! But who cares? I'm sure he's not recruiting an army of demons so he can do his "kill everything" idea all by himself, starting with us!

>>49261069
It's exactly as you say. The dragonflights were Titan-appointed caertakers of the core facets of existance on Azeroth: Life (red), Nature (green), Magic (blue), Time (bronze), and Earth (black).

>>49261069
They're not exactly Titan-CREATED, but they're at least Titan-appointed.

>>49261070
To be fair, what would you do with the titan who is most proficient at making stuff dead? Have him sit on his ass?

>>49260979
Did Deathwang even fuck Alex after he captured her?
I thought she was breeded by orc beasts to pump out more dragon mounts for his army.

>>49261179
Maybe put an alarm on the demon prison to make sure nobody break it open? Or at least send him a birthday card or something so he knows you still care about him and just want him to be reasonable?

>>49261195
Never mentioned in the lore, although considering he did canonically have hots for her, I wouldn't be surprised.

After the orcs got their hands on the Dragonsoul and used it to control the dragons, they forced Alexstraza's consort to fuck her nonstop in order to pump out an army of dragon-mounts.

>>49261069
>>49261131
>>49261116

Dragons were uplifted from proto-drakes like Galakrond (the huge-ass creature whose bones are in the Dragonblight) into refined, intelligent creatures. They weren't created, but they were changed a lot.

>>49261457
Wasn't one of the secret bosses in some raid Deathwing's lover, and she was covered in scars because DW was a violent rapist? If DW did indeed rape Alex, she would be much more scuffed up.

>>49261892

Deathwing's consort was in Cho'gall's raid, yeah, as a heroic boss.

>>49261892
Yes, Sinestra. Who I believe is also the black dragon who shows up in TBC during the nether drake questline, getting some nether drake eggs from the fel orcs (apparently those were used in the experiments that eevntually led to the creation of the twilight dragons). Although back then she had the exact same model as Onyxia, while in Cataclysm she's using a heavily reskinned Kil'jaeden model.

Deathwing's about 20 times her size and made of lava, so it's hardly surprising she got scarred pretty badly. Alexstraza at leats is closer to his size, and as the aspect of life is demonstrated to have healing powers.

>>49262008
I do remember questing in the Twilight Highlands, and Alex directly confronted Deathwing and said "1v1 me fgt no balls," to which he agreed. They kinda just rolled around in a ball in the air before Deathwing no-sold Alex's offense.

>>49246920
>>49246986
Illidan is Demonbane

>>49262043
>They kinda just rolled around in a ball in the air before Deathwing no-sold Alex's offense.
You sure that's not just what dragon sex looks like?

>>49262219
I'd imagine full-size dragon sex between the aspects themselves would involve more earth tremors.

>>49252899
There's at least one Forsaken Paladin in the Argent Dawn already, who's been there since Vanilla.

>>49262194
>In their tongue he is dindukiin, Demonbane
>"Not prepared!"

>>49262243
I remember that guy. He was pretty high ranked if I remember, but I always thought he was just a warrior

>>49262243
>>49262311

This guy?

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Leonid_Barthalomew

>>49262311
he is a warrior. 4skin players are just delusional

>>49261195
>Did Deathwang even fuck Alex after he captured her?
She was in orcs hands, not his. The whole point of Day of the dragon was that Deathwing couldn't intervene directly there.

>>49262008
>Deathwing's about 20 times her size and made of lava
That was the issue, that and the fact that he was insane.

>>49258995
Priest would work for Dark Iron though, but I agree- more classes need more unique things to themselves.

>>49260115
wasn't there some peace deal thing in the comics where Stormwind offered to trade some lumber for Durotar copper/hides?

before some cultists showed up and ruined the whole thing for the sake of muh faction war, anyway.

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>>49261069
>>49261116
>>49261131
>>49261179
>>49261473
According to Chronicles, the Dragon Aspects were proto-drakes empowered by the Titan Keepers after they helped Tyr stomp Galakrond into the dust.

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>>49262263
>>dindukiin

>>49260319
>>49260660
>>49260705
novels were a mistake

>>49260319
>he's a powerful shaman with lot of influence over elements
NOT ANYMORE!

>>49263602
See, kids? This is what depression does to you.

>>49262880
This is correct. Cultists showed up disguised as one faction or the other and ruined the whole thing. Granted, it was a smart move for the Twilight Hammer (which means it was incredibly out of character for them), but it was obviously done to just keep dat faction conflict going!

>>49262243
Leonid Bartholomew is a warrior, not a paladin.

And before someone else brings it up, Sir Zeliek was being controlled by Kel'thuzad-sama, using paladin powers caused him, someone described as having exceptional willpower, immense pain and agony, and things are so bad that he is happy that he was brought down by 25 murderhobos.

I think it'd be pretty sick to have a group of penitent Forsaken who use the pain that calling on the Light brings them as a form of redemption for their affliction, and the shit they did as Scourge fodder.

>>49264125
That would actually be cool and interesting and might not mesh perfectly with the forced faction war bullshit so there's no way that would ever happen.

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>>49258845
Draenei, protected or not have a fetish for CORRUPTION.

Tauren and orcs both do rites and shit, but you're risen before they're performed.

Now worgen...

>>49264125
My undead warrior was a former Silver Hand. I RP him as knightly as possible, trying to make up for all the fucked up shit he did.

Now he has legit angels to help him, though, so there's that.

The only reason he would go along with Sylvanas's plan in Stormheim is so that he could take her head off when she least expected it. Sometimes knightly doesn't work, either. Thankfully, Genn got there first.

>>49264259
>Not giving all of her info to good ol' bolvar

>>49264259
>being this mary sue.

>>49264259
>My undead warrior was a former Silver Hand. I RP him as knightly as possible, trying to make up for all the fucked up shit he did.
Nigga you a bigger snowflake than Lilian Voss

I know pandaren can live to be 300, but Legion brings forth a question.

Nomi is an adult, but Li Li is still a kid but sounds older.

So how do pandaren age? Do the males mature faster than the females?

I ask because I have a few pandaren in a story and their ages are coming into question and I'm tired of 'young adult/middle aged' being the answer. I've contemplated saying "X age in human years" but I'd rather have something more concrete.

>>49267553
Please kill yourself

>>49267553
I don't think they ever thought about it. Is Nomi's age ever brought up? He's not gonna live much longer if he keeps burning all my fucking food though

>>49267685
I've never seen it brought up but he was a kid in MoP, same as Li Li. Li Li sounds more mature, while Nomi looks more mature.

>>49268023
he probably wasn't important enough to make a unique model for like Li Li

>>49265454
Not a bad idea either, but isn't how he thinks.

>>49267079
>>49267173
Hate all you like, but his only feature that sets him apart from other Forsaken is that he's penitent. Oh no, I was a paladin that died and now can't use the Light! So Mary Sue, I know.

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Quit bickering, post trolls, lament how there are no playable troll paladins and DHs to make them literally the most versatile race on Azeroth.

What if the playable race from MoP was Mogu instead of pandas?

>Racial leader with demigod-like power
>Rich history and culture
>Strong military
>Powerful magic
>Unique traps, machinery
>Would have gotten shit done if they were the good guys and on the murderhobos' side

Compare that to silly cuddly bears that does nothing

>>49271566
the Alliance should have gotten Mogu who worship Magni as the voice of the gods
the Horde should have gotten Jinyu that respect their reverence of the elements

>>49271818
>Horde finally get murlock race
As it should be.

>>49271818
Shit that would have been cool. Mogu shaman throwing around the fist of Ra-Den

>>49271956
>when you get the Fist as a Mogu Shaman, the White Tiger reminds you not to let the power go to your head and turn out like Lei Shen

>>49272027
Shit the Throne raid when Ra-Den tells Mogu players about his fuck up. The Zalandari NPCs mentioning how you were once allies.

Are they still there? or did those quests get wiped in Cata?

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>>49272119
Gone with Cata.

Im Exalted with those fuckers, then they pull shit in MoP

So what do you guys think will happen to Thalyssra and the Junkie Bunch post-Legion? Gonna find a cure? Going to Wither out? Lor'themar gonna be a cool dude and let them hang out around the Sunwell?

>>49274454
We'll kill them in the last legion raid.

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>>49274524
Plz no.

>>49274454
we'll blow up the Nightwell or purify it or something and their problems will be solved in a non-descript way that will be forgotten

also lol at the Withered using vargul models instead of Wretched/Forsaken models

>>49262880
Yeah, which is, again, a slightly better motivation than "MUH HONOR/MUH BLOOD AND HONOR."

Like that's why a lot of wars start. People need space, they need resources, they come up with excuses.

the revenge comes AFTER.

>>49264125
Honestly that's what I liked the most about the original Forsaken pitch, that they were undead trying to make a new life for themselves and make up for what happened.

Then Sylvanis went off the deep end and everyone went gleefully off with her.

>>49264259
I dig that. Forsaken don't all have to be greasy assholes.

>>49267553
Li Li's still a kid for the same reason Moira's son's still an infant since Cata. Don't think too much about it.

>>49274751
In the Mage Order Hall there's a Forsaken librarian who was part of the original Tirisgarde. His lore is that he died, but one day he just came in and started working again after getting raised. He didn't even know he was dead.

>>49274808
Right. You can do SO MUCH with the Forsaken besides Sylvanis fanatics. An ex Silver Hand initiate who can't give up his chivalry isn't that big of a stretch.

>>49274833
Getting raised fucks with your mind most of the time

>>49274454
>>49274533
>Open up all the leylines for them
>Greedy fucks still need more mana

>>49275228
I opened them all and I'm pretty sure the feeding cost got halved, and I think the buffs are cheaper too.

When are these threads going to be deleted?
can't wait for the day you fags are kicked out with the questers.

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>>49275564
Just give it a few more days they're slowing down, jesus.

>>49275564
Sorry for taking board space, impeding the creation of your 16847th thread about "wut wud happin if da emprah ain't been killed by whorus?"

At least people here are discussing and speculating on the lore (well, mostly) instead of asking how to do quests.

Not that topical but /wowg/ won't be responsive.

At what point can I play WoW solely off buying membership? Currently a month's play is rougly 20% of the monthly minimum wage in the country I'm living in which translates to expensive as fuck.

>>49276692
I meant:

>buying membership with gold*

>>49276692
Are you EU, NA?

>>49276692
at the end of WoD it was possible from one character diligently doing garrison dailies and farming 25H Firelands, but that's not possible now, especially if you live in Europe, because the tokens cost twice as much as NA

>>49276722
EU, but my country hasn't adopted the Euro and it is too irrelevant to have prices adjusted to its currency.

>>49247205
Actually, that was just Khadgar's theory. We still don't know what Elune is, and there is strong evidence suggesting she has ties to the slumbering titan in Azeroth, which is an Arcane entity.

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>>49276733
I think you're outta luck then. Tokens on EU go for about 70-90K and that's twice what they do on the US, 1/3 of the average in China.

>>49271491
So why do female trolls have smaller tusks again? It's not like the males use their larger ones for fighting.

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>>49276773
>If I was born in the right country I could've become a brick layer and still affordably play WoW

>>49276809
sexual dimorphism in Warcraft generally makes no sense, why do female nagas have 4 extra arms than both male nagas and the elves they're descended from?

>>49255730
>literally because she's a hot elf
>this anon liked her before puberty
>this anon isn't attracted to women
>the "she's popular 'cause tits" again
Kay

>>49276901
he is not wrong though. She is your typical example of a blizzard tough woman who had to struggle against an ebil world and still looks like she walked off the ramp.
Oh and she is incapable of making any mistakes or doing anything wrong.

>>49259065
He's the guy that worgen like to blame for losing their city to Sylvanas. Sylvanas being his waifu and getting all of the attention is a meme. It ignores the fact that she literally did nothing until now since Cataclysm, and everytime she's done something, she gets smacked in the dick.

Pretty much, he's the new guy people blame when things don't go their way.

>>49274454

Well spoiler for the Nightwell raid: Grand Magistrix Elisande surrenders and agrees to join us against the Legion instead of dying in her raid fight.

So given that, I'd guess they'll go back into the city and become full Nightborne again.

>>49276733
>my country hasn't adopted the Euro
Mine did, and the prices of everything went up. Such joy

>>49259386
>>49276945
>literally can't do wrong
>can't lose
Seriously, where the FUCK did this belief come from? Sylvanas has done almost nothing onscreen but fail and lose. Arthas invades Quel'thalas? She loses and gets raped? She tries to get vengeance on him? Kel'thuzad shows up and she gets btfo. She tries a second time to get vengeance on Arthas? She gets btfo again and loses the Undercity to a coup. She doesn't get it back until the rest of the Horde helps. She tries to end her suffering and kills herself? Literally lands in hell. She tries to take Gilneas? She wins, but the city is unihabitable, she gets her brains blown out and loses 3 val'kyr. She tries to assassinate Garrosh? Vareesa backs out and then we get WoD. She helps lead the invasion at BS? Literally they are overrun and she's forced to sound the retreat. She tries to get more valks? Genn shows up and utterly wrecks her plans.

Literally, where the fuck did this "she never loses" meme come from?

>>49276832
I think being elves corrupted my magic has something to do with it. Otherwise it's for aesthetic purposes as both men and women don't like female monsters that don't register as female in their mind. It's why Tauren females changed in appearance during the Alpha.

>>49277103
>nothing on screen but fail and lose.
>she gets to rule all of lordaeron
>cataclysm is one gigantic "I LUV U SYLVANAS PLS BE REAL" wank north of the thandol span.

>>49277163
Nothing I said was wrong, tho. If you say it is, you're denying facts. And she was only in Cataclysm during the Silverpine questline. Oh, and this just in! Most racial leaders control the kingdoms their races inhabit.

Next argument?

>>49277163
>she gets to rule less than half of the smoking, pus-filled ruins of Lordaeron
>the forsaken finally get something cool after such hit questlines as "Cucked in the Ass by Varian Wrynn, the Wrathgate Story" and doing literally nothing pre-WotLK
ok bud

This thread is filled with Alliance babies that are tired of their leaders being fags. Now they got Genn as a reasonably based character so they must suck his dick as hard as possible before he dies from black arrow. In order to do that they must shit on Sylvanas.

It's okay, we understand tfw too poor to buy faction change.

>>49277381
Forgot to add that Genn really isn't that based, he got 1 thing done and looked cool in it. Still a way to go before being qualified as based

>>49277216
Her race got a massive power boost and went full ego worship with her. She turned into the scourge 2.0 and faced ABSOLUTELY NO REPERCUSSIONS for it,.

Before legion she had

>taken everything north of the thandol span
>deposed the only horde eleader who was opposed to her.
>given the leadership of the horde on a platter despite being the least untrustworthiest of them all.
>actively destroys the work of neutral factions in cataclysm
>the ebon blade and the argent crusade who are two factions that should logically deal with her end up twiddling their thumbs for years on end.

>anon says that sylvanas wasn't THAT bad.

>>49277381
Maybe they'll calm the fuck down now that Legion is basically catered to them.

>Varian solos a fel reaver
>Genn wrecks Sylvanas's pussy
>All the shadows in the rogue hall are Alliance

They'll probably still bitch, tho.

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>Alliance
>Horde
>not joining the Old Gods

>>49277420
Tess Greymane is the only member of the Alliance who is a Shadow.

>>49277420
>rogues
>relevant
>>49277421
Scourge > every other faction

Makes me want to roll a new DK and name him Vanhal.

>>49277418
>>deposed the only horde leader opposed to her
You mean she and the rest of the Horde? That wasn't a Sylvanas victory. She played support that entire raid.

And I never said she "wasn't that bad." I just said that saying she never loses is actually factually false.

And I'm glad that she has SOME victories, otherwise why would the Forsaken follow her?

So what I've gathered from this conversation is about half the time she wins and half the time she loses. Oh, and that Allys are still irrationally buttmad about her existence. Stop playing right into Blizzard's hands. This is exactly the kind of conflict they want, because it further invests people into their game. Why do you think they intentionally made Sylvanas such a controversial character and are now capitalizing on it? She perpetuates the faction conflict both in and out of game. So does Genn.

Maybe if the two of them just got all of their hatred out by fucking each other, we'd finally have peace.

>>49277517
Still, it's a bit jarring to walk in and see nothing but humans and a blood elf who's besties with Varian.

>>49277421
How bad can they be, if the major opposing force's stance is 'kill literally everything'?

>>49277555
If Blizzards strategy is "Treat both the Horde and Alliance so poorly but in such radically different ways that they both feel seething jealousy towards the other side for their preferential treatment", then Blizzard has a shit strategy

It leaves everybody unhappy. If nobody is actually getting what they want, then you've clearly failed

>>49277607
Not saying it was a good strategy, but they must be doing something right, because Legion seems to be the most popular expac since Wrath. And I'm loving every second of it.

>>49277682
That's all mechanics, and "bonus features"

The lore is even further down the shitter than it was in WoD, and that's saying something

>>49277714
I dunno, anon. Imo, I actually like the lore, so far. I don't expect a masterpiece, just something entertaining. And that's exactly what I got. I'm pleased.

>>49277806
desu, I am interested in the lore only to see how terrible it becomes.

>>49277806
They threw Vol'jin away instead of even attempting to do anything with him. The Legion has spaceships now and apparently could have invaded pretty much any time but didn't for because. Sylvanas is getting even more stuff just handed to her on a silver platter. And they completely backflipped on Illidan, going from "He's crazy and evil" to "he can literally do no wrong and was always right and everybody should love him forever", instead of even trying to aim for a middle ground with the character.

Then again, it's not like the setting is remotely fixable anyway. Cairne is dead, Jaina is mad and the whole "warchief Garrosh" thing actually happened and is unlikely to be retconned away any time soon, so I have no idea why anyone even gives a shit about current Warcraft lore anymore

>>49277866
If I weren't on my phone, I'd give you a long well thought out reply. But for now, let's agree to disagree.

Overall, I think your comment is a massive hyperbole and oversimplification of facts.

>>49277991
Of course it's an oversimplification, but the point remains that from a writing standpoint, this is poor work.

Warcraft bothers me because it could have great lore, but it just doesn't because the lead writer is terrible at his job

>>49278016
this is what the purpose of the threads were, to flesh out details using the rpg and game cues and headcanon. anyone remember the quest about Alterac?

>>49278016
Like I said, agree to disagree. I don't think the writing is poor relative to its medium. I don't think it's fantastic, but I think it is passable to good. And I don't think the lead writer has as much sway as he like to say he does. He has to answer to a lot of people, and then work between those lines. It's not as though he's cackling madly like an evil mastermind while wrecking our toy collection.

>>49276809
Maybe the same reason why male peacocks have the huge brightly coloured tail feathers? Female trolls find big tusks attractive, so evolution leads to larger tusk size in male trolls.

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>>49277421
>joining old gods
>not joining new smugness

>>49278538
>be infinitely existing across all timelines
>have space ships and shit
>fail to invade 1 planet
ayy lmao.

>>49278531
For some reason this made me think of male troll tusks as being the equivalent of boobs in human society

Which made me imagine female trolls fetishizing "DTT", aka "Delicious tiny teeth"

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>>49277607
Then what do these "everybody" want? Over and over again I see this ridiculous red vs blue wankery of either who got shoah'd the worse or bitching on whose leaders are more bullshit. It's scarcity mindset driven nonsense that gets nowhere and indeed pleases nobody, and it's just the red vs blue champion's fault, because in order to be satisfied, the other side needs to get the shaft. This, in turn, makes said side buttmad, so they demand that the shaft changes rectums so that they "finally get something".

It's shit like this that I am only interested in neutral factions and why I'd play on a neutral side if I could in a heartbeat. Your conflict is fucking retarded, there's a world to save.

>>49277866
>spaceships
Real hard to teleport around and levitate a giant stone slab that shoots at things.
>apparently could have invaded pretty much any time but didn't for because
Did you pay any attention whatsoever? The Legion is invading all over Azeroth because Gul'dan tore open the Tomb of Sargeras, which is the whole reason Dalaran is in Broken Isles and Khadgar sends you across the whole place to look for the Pillars of Creation, the seals to the bloody tomb that Gul'dan plucked out.
>Sylvanas is getting even more stuff just handed to her on a silver platter
She gets rekt as soon as she thinks she got what she was looking for, then currently spends her time being buttmad at worgen. Truly a silver platter.
>And they completely backflipped on Illidan, going from "He's crazy and evil" to "he can literally do no wrong and was always right and everybody should love him forever", instead of even trying to aim for a middle ground with the character.
No, it was TBC that turned him into a crazed loot pinata. Just going in there and killing off Illidan never made sense to me. Of course, you're also employing so much hyperbole it is a wonder you can even think straight.

Why the fuck the people who are willing to argue about the lore the most are the ones who have the least understanding of it?

>>49277418
>>the ebon blade and the argent crusade who are two factions that should logically deal with her end up twiddling their thumbs for years on end.
And the one time one of them does decide to do something, it's a "sneaking mission" because they can't have her nose get blooded at all.

>>49279007
Illidan was always off his rocker.
>wants to drown the world
>nearly gets executed
>gets a chance at exile
>returns to azeroth
>gets btfo by arthas
>runs back to outland
>dies

Apparently he was building a super seekrit armee that was almost going to destroy the legium but then the BT happened and the legion became stronger than ever.

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I want Kel'Thuzad to come back. Maybe join the new Lich King. Or the Ebon Blade.

>>49279007
>No, it was TBC that turned him into a crazed loot pinata. Just going in there and killing off Illidan never made sense to me. Of course, you're also employing so much hyperbole it is a wonder you can even think straight.
They literally did turn him into a chosen one savior of the universe. I agree that Illidan was very poorly handled in TBC, but before that he was still very mcuh an antihero, while Legion paints him as some kind of half-demon Jesus.

Other than messiah-Illidan, I actually like most of Legion's lore, though. For most part it's interesting and not pants-on-head retarded.

>>49277866
>from "He's crazy and evil" to "he can literally do no wrong and was always right and everybody should love him forever", instead of even trying to aim for a middle ground with the character.

Illidan being crazy and evil was a huge backflip from his character in the first place though. Legion is more of a return to form than anything.

>>49279105
Hyperbole: The Post.

You do realize that absolutely anything can be made to look silly when you remove all nuance and facts of the situation? I know this is 4chan and all, but work on your form if you want to discuss anything.

>>49279185
He's going to kill Sylvanas and take over leadership of the Forsaken. Then use them to take the Lich King's crown from Bolvar.

>>49279185
Kel thuzad is supposed to be loyal to the lich king, be that king nerzul or arthas, right? Why is he not serving the current lich king then? He is supposed to be dead but not really right?

>>49277127
Troll. Tauren was always the same.

>>49279329
>nuance
thats entirely the point of the illidan book.

It whitewashes his so much he turns translucent. You see the dark portal where alliance and horde forces hold back an army of demons, Apparently they would have destroyed the azeroth invasion force if illidan hadn't destroyed another army threatening their flank, disregarding the fact that beacheads don't have flanks.

All the time he was moping around in Black temple looking at gul'dan's skull and destroying karabor?

Apparently he was training an army of demon hunters to destroy the legion in one swoop, and was going to return it to the broken

Kael'thas leaves illidan because he does nothing but mope all day? Illidan had a power source full of unlimited power that he was going to give to Kael'thas.

They literally turned him into a gary stu.

>>49277418
>She turned into the scourge 2.0
REMINDER the actual fucking scourge is better than shitvannas nowadays.

>>49279394
>yfw he tries
>yfw bolvar gives him a body so he can break his legs

>>49279474
Bolvar removed his monthly kitten food payment.

Reasoning: "Nobody *needs* pets, pay it with your own gold."

>>49277866
>throw Vol'jin away
While I would prefer him to be alive and do something, it isn't unreasonable for him to die, it's a decisive defeat on BS and anyone could've died

>Sylvanas got warchief for free
Who else would've gotten it not for free? Sure I agree that Lor'themar or Baine would be better choices for the position, but neither of them have done enough to justify becoming warchief. The only one left that's worthy would be Saurfang, but the guy's old and will never be warchief.

>All shall suck Lord Illidan's demon penis
I'm still putting my bet on Xe'ra being ded, aka void naruu trying to mislead us.

Yes the lore is shit, but not in the way you make it out to be. The direction is it's going is fine (assuming the Xe'ra theory is true), the problem is the events that push these directions could've been done far better.

>>49279759
what had sylvanas done that was worthy of becoming warchief exactly?

Is it out of the question to hope Voljin comes back from the dead. Either due to Bwonsamdi or Sylvanas shenanigans?

Maybe he brings an army with him?

I always thought that undead trolls with oogabooga voodoo would have more flare than human undead.

>>49279474
High-functioning undead served the previous Lich King, they don't serve Bolvar since Arthas got fucked up the ass and they got "freed"

Enlighten me.
What is stopping Sargeras from coming to Azeroth and fucking everyone up?

>>49280113
Long Commute? Even with the fel tower operational?