Kaladesh

>How do you like it so far?

WHERE

IS

THE

BURN

>>49239248
There isn't any burn. They don't print burn in every set.

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>>49239226
How about we don't devolve into a thread about whether or not paying X is inherently green or blue..since every colour has this?

That'd be nice.

>>49239248
Not the most exciting, flashy card to spoil. Have hope.

How many of these new artifacts will delirium decks play? Could you run some of the cluestones to help with delirium?

>>49239257
There will be some other retardation going on, I'm sure.

>>49239253

>Chandra: The set
>No burn

?!???!??!??!!?!?!??!

>>49239248
>Where is the most boring aspect of the game
Off yourself

>>49239260
None of the puzzlecunts are worth running.

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>tfw no art by Seb McKinnon

I hope he got to at least do some commons

Back when I was little and just started out with Magic I would have pissed my pants in excitement over opening that green gearhulk. What a bomby card. Many timmies will have so much fun with that.

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>>49239248
Here, be happy.

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>>49239226
>Looking through the spoilers
>See Skysoverieign

Can the landship be a commander for EDH? Is it like the Gods of Theros? Its got the layout of a creature and turns into one when the conditions are met. Even though its not that good it would be kind of cool to have a battle ship for a commander.

Also the alter's will be glorious...

>>49239321
Does the typeline say creature?

>>49239306
The problem with the green gearhulk is that while it's a timmy card it's also pushed enough to be a major constructed staple

If there's a 3 CMC ramp spell printed to replace Nissa's Pilgrimage, turn 3 ramp -> turn 4 Gearhulk will be a devastating play

>>49239316
>that
>burn

At this point I'll be happy if we get a 2 CMC instant artifact removal in red

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Psst, hey Anon
Wanna buy some card advantage?

I want more combo stuff. I want combo to be a thing again. There's pieces in the spoilers so far but there needs to be a finisher.

>>49239321
I don't think so, going by the rules as written. The theros gods are actually creature cards that are not creatures when on the battlefield, but the ship doesn't have creature on its type line so it's not a legendary creature card for deckbuilding purposes.

>>49239328
>The problem with the green gearhulk is that while it's a timmy card it's also pushed enough to be a major constructed staple
Emrakul(s), Ulamog(s).

>>49239334
BUY ONE

>>49239347
Neither of those comes down on turn 5 (and even earlier with mana rocks and ramp)

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Got any ideas for a deck with pic related?

>>49239363
Probably a playset of each and then madcap experiments?

>>49239358
Still Timmy cards that are pushed enough to become major constructed staples.

I mean, I'm just quoting you.

>>49239328
You get cmc 4, sorcery speed removal and like it.

>>49239363
All you get with all three in play is as many energy, dudes and counters as you have mana.

Not exactly as spectacular as the Stations combo.

>>49239363
>>49239373
RG shell that runs

>ramp
>mana dorks
>madcap experiments
>verdurous greenhulk as a finisher
>these three obviously

Plan is to get all three artifacts down and use superior mana to create an overwhelming amount of +1/+1 counter servos and energy

I actually quite like the design of the Thriving cycle, from a limited perspective. You can just draft them as decently sized vanilla creatures OR use them as an energy source if you draft some energy using cards OR use them as an energy sink if you've got nothing better to use them on.

At common, they should ensure there's plenty of energy going around.

I want karn to show up. Haven't seen him in years.

>>49239397
Didn't the stations cost more mana? And there were 4 of them.

>>49239393
I actually like that card a lot, but then again even the shittiest two for one excites me a bit.

>>49239363
I did come up with a Sliver Deck that uses these and Artificial Evolution (Tokens don't really count as cards in hand so I don't think Conspiracy works on them) to make an alarming amount of Sliverbears really quickly.

Also I'd recommend Darksteel Forge and Sliver Hivelord just to keep things alive.

>>49239408
For sure. These modules are all fun on their own, but I can't see it being all that rewarding to assemble the voltron.

Speaking as a Timmy, since these are clearly casual jank.

>>49239439
They are casual jank but assembling them all in limited is going to be worse than skeleton + aristocrat + call the bloodline combo

>>49239327
No, that's why I was asking... you know, new type of card and all...

>>49239342
Dang that's a shame, I'll probably still run it in my King Darien token deck for my soldiers to pilot but still, would have been cool to think about.

>>49239226
Angel of Invention's art is rad as fuck though... I want a full art of that one.

>>49239467
>Angel of Invention's art is rad as fuck
Agreed, the angels on Kaladesh look really cool, like a Shiva inspired angel. I hope we get an angel legend next set with this art style.

>>49239450
Oh man, people did that in limited? That's pretty sick.

I once got a Bog Brew Witch package working with the Angel maker. That was probably my best draft of that set.

>>49239467
>Dang that's a shame, I'll probably still run it in my King Darien token deck for my soldiers to pilot but still, would have been cool to think about.
you can still talk with your playgroup about allowing it or hope the rules committee changes the commander rules

>>49239363

Panharmonicon, Ghirapur Orrery, and Architect of the Untamed. Drop a creature, acquire energy and +1/+1s. Drop a land, acquire energy and a +1/+1. Get enough energy, drop a 6/6 that you can immediately make 8/8. Can't quite go infinite (or at least multiple loops) with it just yet, though Animation Module in the end of that combo puts you VERY close.

>>49239278
>The main form of a color's removal is boring

Look man, if you hate red just say so.

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Cultivator Caravan - 3
Artifact - Vehicle - Rare
T: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool
Crew 3
5/5

>>49239513
>or hope the rules committee changes the commander rules
>Hoping the "committee" cares about anything that isn't green and blue

Don't give him false hope, that's just cruel.

>>49239611
If only Ghirapur Orrery and the GitGud Frog deck were in standard at the same time.

>>49239651

I feel like Architect of the Untamed has some STUPID combo potential if there was some way to drop a bunch of lands in one turn, like an effect that took all lands out of the top 10 cards of your deck and put them into play or something. Ghirapur Orrery is a good start though, especially given that it covers one of combo's big weaknesses: being put into topdeck mode.

>>49239623
MULTI-CARAVAN DRIFTING

>>49239672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9AIcc_zi-4

I just realized we can have a Mad Max fanset now we have Vehicles!

>>49239614
I hate red. Actually, I don't exactly hate red. More that all the best and most interesting mechanics have been firmly rooted in the other four colors, leaving little to nothing for red thus making it unnecessary beyond dealing direct damage. Nearly every red card I like that isn't lightning bolt is borrowing design space (or is a straight up color shift) that was already heavily established in another color.

>>49239721
who's the most mad max commander? I'm fucking doing this.

>>49239754
The Warboys are Mardu Color. That is all. So you could pull them off with Zurgo Helmsmasher in place of Immortan. Also lots of Haste related shenanigans.

>>49239671
Like Splendid Reclamation?

>>49239754
Obviously the new RW dorf.

>>49239799
I would have thought you'd splash Black as well.

>>49239797

That would work, but how do you get the lands into the graveyard in the 1st place? Delirium deck maybe?

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>>49239623
For some reason this is what first comes to mind when I see that card.

>>49239796
Holy fuck this.

POO IN LOO
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Tfw Kaladesh will kill my plans of glorious flicker-allies.

>>49239892
I think someone should make a custom commander based on Vehicles and any creatures that crew them and maybe some Energy Counter interactions as well.

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This guy will make vehicle decks awesome. Some deck name ideas:

Wolf of Shitting Street
Designated Driver
Loopine Prototype
Drivarrhea
Formula 2
Flush
Carstool Lane
Vehicular Wolfslaughter
Curryhurry

>>49239614
I was about to reply but, this guy >>49239731
replied for me with words that are pretty much exactly like mine, so +1 to that.

>>49239958

The Fast and the Furrious.

>>49239358
SHOW AND TELL
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>>49239958
I am only hiding your post on the principle that those names are stupid.

Besides Wolfbot+Reservoir+Stormbent is a better brew.

Also the only reason Wolfbot is in there is so I can call the deck Reservoir Dog.

>>49239341
There is. Did you not see the Death Star?

>>49239978
>"Don't let me detain you."

>>49239269
Fire Magic is illegal on Kaladesh.

>>49239363
Wouldn't Animation Module work with Steel Overseer?

>>49239731
Fucking this, outside of burn, wheel, and the shitty "exile top, you may play it" mechanics red is really boring.

In EDH its even worse, the only good red strategies are token spam and artifact shenanigans, both rooted in other colors and better in those colors.

The color is boring as shit. Its the designated "splash with ____" color of magic.

>>49239978
>Lamer Ruric Thar
woopee

>>49239992
So wait, couldn't you use this on yourself for a draw 4?

>>49239992
Because infinite obliteration was too good now it gives your opponent card advantage. I get that you can target noncreature things, but still.

>>49240025
If you had all 4 copies already in hand, yes

>>49239978
Fuck the EDH player in me freaking loves this shit! Orzov extort taxes is something I freaking love flavorwise and this guy is perfect for it!

>>49240025
No. Or yes, if you have all four cards you exile in your hand to begin with.

>>49239999
Vettinari is way hotter than that.

>>49240025
Yes, you can.

>>49239998

The Death Star? Was it Standard legal? What kind of combo was it?

>>49240042
How easy would it be to lock your opponent out of playing creatures in Orzhov?

>>49240050
Also a good guy instead of a corrupt asshole.

>>49239992
>3 mana to name a combo piece and exile all copies
EDH gold card right there, perfect for crippling those annoying combo decks.

>>49240051
It's not really drawing. More like Rooting.

>>49240011

To a degree, yes. If you had the mana for it, you could basically double the number of artifact creatures you had each turn. The new servos you paid for wouldn't gain +1/+1 though, because they were created after Steel Overseer's effect resolved.

>>49240032
>now it gives your opponent card advantage
But it doesn't? They only draw a card for each card they had in hand that was exiled. It's a zero sum effect.

>>49240060
Considering the pillowfort options in white the creatures aren't a real issue. This gives the pillowfort a way to punish combo players or spell slingers heavily. My local Talrand player would completely hate this shit.

>>49240032
Against dedicated combo decks (Scapeshift) letting your opponent draw a card or two is no big deal compared to playing this a turn earlier and extracting their win condition.

Against midrange decks it probably isn't worth it. The only other situation I can imagine it being useful in is if your opponent has some sort of sideboard tech or narrow form of removal/answer (RIP, Abrupt Decay, Worship, Spellskite) that your unfair deck cannot deal with.

Overall it's probably not a great card but I think it does have some applications.

>>49240023
I'm hoping the red Gearhulk gives you an extra combat phase. That's a thing the color is still allowed to do, even if it's a rare only effect.

>>49239931
There's been some flicker already spoiled, and some things worth flickering

>>49239992
I hope that we get an baral card just so I can beat my opponents face in with the new chandra.

>>49240061
I haven't been keeping up with the storyline so I didn't realize he was a corrupt asshole. I guess that would make sense though, it's pretty difficult to make an intelligent master of diplomacy as a good guy. And of course since he isn't a female or PoC he can't be a good character.

>>49239992
I really like the art on this card, need more stuff like this.

>>49240117
>he isn't a female or PoC
He looks mongolian/chinese.

>>49239958
I intend to use barrage tyrant to toss a rocket dog car at people, just for the mental image

>>49239958
Designated Driver. Full stop. It's spot on and subtle enough to fly under the radar and make it past censorship.

>>49240101
Plus with him you can get Reservoir shot off on about T6 (T3 if your opponent is using a combo deck) and there's nothing they'll be able to do about it.

>>49240102
>Spellskite

>>49240137
Someone NEEDS to draw this nonsense.

>>49240101
It only really punishes uninteractive decks that don't play removal/counterspells. Playing him paints a pretty huge target on him and unless your deck is absolutely loaded with Brave the Element style effects he's not going to last a turn cycle.

He's a neat card but I think he's probably better in the 99 than as a commander. Possibly an esper shell so you've got counterspells to protect him.

>>49240153
>Plus with him you can get Reservoir shot off on about T6
Earlier as we aren't assuming there aren't other life gain cards in your deck and other extort triggers.

>>49240155
Infect and Boggles have a very hard time dealing with spellskite. Granted, neither of those decks play black but I'm sure if I put my mind to it I could draft up a deck that plays black and can't handle a spellskite.

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So, what decks are you shitbrewing right now based off spoilers?
I want to make "Colourless Red" a thing, using the colourless synergy Eldrazi in Red from BfZ with things like Reality Smasher as a top end in what would basically be a duo-colour deck.

>Solid aggro/midrange shell
>Red for Writhing Township and burn
The whole deck concept relies on getting some face burn.

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>>49240192
So its not going to happen then ;__;

>>49240178
Lost Legacy can't hit artifacts

>>49240169
Hm, fair point.

>>49240214
Oh damn, I just completely glossed over that and assumed it just said nonland card.

I wonder why they felt the need to include that clause.

>>49240283

I imagine they want artifact combos to be a thing that isn't just trivial to sideboard against

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This seems good.

>>49240341
What next, an Energy Counter centred Lotus?

>>49240353
There may be an energy Mox.

>>49240367
I sure hope, this is Mirrodin 2.0: Art Edition after all

>>49240367
So when it enters the battlefield you get an energy counter, you can pay an energy counter to add one mana of any colour to your mana pool and you can tap it and pay 2 to untap another Artifact you control?

>>49240341
>get one of these early in draft
>pick up literally any card with an energy symbol on it
>5 colour energetic stuff

>>49240401
When has a Mox ever untapped anything?

>>49240401
>and you can tap it and pay 2 to untap another Artifact you control
wtf?

So definitely going to be an energy deck in Standard.

>>49240389
>Mirrodin 2.0: Art Edition
more of a Mercadian Masques x Mirrodin slashfic

>>49239929
>the truth is staggering

>>49240426
>>49240417
I am not particularly clever. I was aiming for extra value, but I missed by five miles and half of Chichenham.

>>49240441
I have no problem with that, I actually love Mercadian Masques.

>>49240341
>Urge to build Colourless Red intensifies
This is like Crumbling Vestige in reverse, I'm going to run this shit WITHOUT ANY OTHER ENERGY CARDS and you can't stop me!

>>49239978
Bloody hell wizards, I'm not saying I want storm back in standard, I'm just saying that I'd like to pur some spells in my decks once in a while, just for a change.

>>49240483
Very good thur.

>>49240483
It's not reverse crumbling vestige it comes in untapped so you can do it the turn it comes in to play or any other time.

>>49240024
>Ruric Thar
>6cmc, Green / Red
>Offensive and defensive creature
>Hits you for playing noncreature spells as well as your opponents

>Kambal
>3cmc, Black / White
>Weaker life tax (2 vs 6)
>Doesn't tax you, so you can play noncreature spells
>Nets you life too

Sure, he's just like Ruric Thar.

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>>49240341

This seems really good, considering that Tendo Ice Bridge has seen a lot of play.

>>49239978
Mine fewer!

>>49240517
Well by "Reverse" I mean "Can tap for colourless when it comes in and colour later" as opposed to "Colour first, Colourless later"

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So, with all these cards getting spoiled, and every color getting a better version of what reds getting in most cases, will there be any deck in standard where the new chandra fits perfectly? or will she be splashed for value only?

>>49240531
Oh fuck, it's a better Tendo Ice Bridge.

>>49240555
R will be the splash color.

>>49240555
Temur Energy/Panharmonicon looks solid to me. With 2-3 Chandra.

>>49240531
My thoughts exactly, its a strictly better tendo bridge. (As in, by itself its a tendo bridge, and in a deck that runs any other energy card its even better)

>Artifact plane
>No artificer planeswalker
Fuck you Saheeli's garbage

>>49240341
Dank af
I'm definitely going to run it

>>49240602
Yeah, I mean Tezzeret totally won't be about artifacts, right?

Totally.

Yup.

>>49240602
>artificer planeswalkers
>ever balanced
You already have artificer planeswalkers in the past, what I wonder is when we get an enchantress planeswalker

>>49240441
Esper x Ravnica more like

>>49240614
Baan is probably also an artifact planeswalker

>>49240555
But anon, Rx vehicles™ will be a perfectly fine archetype in the amazing and diverse standard environment that WotC always so carefully crafts for us!

>>49240538
This reminds me of a scene from Jackboots on Whitehall for no real reason.

>"Ze Number Ten house! Zhat is vere ze dog Churchill is hidink!" Take it out!"
>"Jawohl Herr Ubergruppenfurher!" *BLAM!"
>"Oi! Wrong bleedin' 'ouse! Churchill's next door"
>"YOU MISSED! Number Ten house, not ze Number Neun house, ze Number Ten house!"
>"Number Ten house! FIRE!" *BLAM!*
>"SCHWEINHUNDS! Missed again! NOT ze Number Neun house, NOT Ze Number Eleven house...ZE VUN IN ZE MIDDLE! NUMBER! TEN!"

>>49240614
I'm not waiting for Aether Revolt man, why do we need another Nissa before our boy Tezz gets his card?

>>49240657
Who knows. If anything tezz should be now and nissa next set.

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>>49240571
>>49240651
yeh, but both of these decks would only run her for simple value, not because it really fits into the core strategy of the deck, would she?

>>49240681
Well, yeah.

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>>49240694
and still she's like a million $?
will she drop then, when the people realize, she's not that fitting in standard, or stay that high?

>>49240555
>Every other color getting a better version of what red gets.

One cycle, which was the weak cycle.
The +1/+1 energy creature cycle red is either the best or tied for best with green.
A 3/2 for 2 is great for red. Far batter than a 2/3 for 2 in black, a 3/5 for four in white.

>>49240715
She's a value engine. She'll stay high, because she fit in almost any possible deck that will play red.

>>49240555
>>49240681
>>49240715
Why are you posting images of tinfoil dinosaurs?

>>49239226

What do you guys think the set after amonket will be?
We know that wotc will new half old and half new planes, for an average of about one each a year. ; we had Zendikar and Innistrad back to back followed by Kaladesh and Amonket to keep it even. This means the set after Amonkhet will almost certainly be a return given three in a row in unprecedented.

So what do you guys think the return will be. Discounting Zendikar and Soi for being returned so soon the short list would look a abit like this.

1. Ravnica
2. Dominaria
3.Theros
4. New Phyrexia
5.Lorwyn/Shadowmoor
6. Tarkir

No personally I dont think they woudl do back to back myth based worlds so that would cut Theros and maybe Lorwyn/Sahdowmoor. Ravnica is a blockbuster set so its return is always strong but New Phyrexia would be key in the over all story driven vision for how mtg is going now. Dominaria is also an option but if they were going to go to it; they would probs save it for the 25th anniversary and do it in Soup block for the return factor. Tarkir is probably a bit too soon for a return but a new multicolored set DOES fit perfectly on there rough four year cycle.

Also note Ham has been known to give extra mechanics to other sets including the current variant of Vehicles we use and a Monarch esque mechanic as well. A glut of mechanics is a hallmark of Ravnica.

So in short I am leaning towards us doing Ravnica after Amonkhet.

How about you guys?

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>>49240745
Okay thanks, have another Tinsaur.

>>49240747
I don't know, but it's cool.

>>49240758
>Wizards is just going to do fucking re-run after re-run because Scars block was decently received
Please make it end, I don't want this to turn into Jacetice League: The Re-Visiting.

>>49239978
"All spell based decks must hang."

T. WotC

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>>49240747
Well, I want dino-mtg cards.
and we are on an artifact plane, so...

>>49239978

>"You wanted some burn?"
>"Have a card that completely hoses burn"
>"Because eat shit"

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>>49240025
>draw 4

That's smalltime thinking.

>>49240681
>stego
:3

>>49240812
Can still only ever be draw X where X is the number of cards in your hand after casting Lost Legacy

>>49240758
>Ravnica 3: Burning Down The Guilds
>The guilds are at each other's throats as usual
>Also CAAAAARS
>Second set has the Guild leaders discover that Planeswalkers exist
>Niv-Mizzet has a tantrum
Wow dang how eventful
Lorwyn post-eventide would be better

>>49240758
It'll be ravnica they were hinting at vraska being back on ravnica and gideon looking into it in one of the last few UR.

>>49239363
Have this cued up on your phone once you get all three on the field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaC0vNLdLvY

>>49240809
just aim one burn spell at his face.
or are you acting like burn decks have been aa thing outside of legacy and bad modern decks in ever.

Standard, and even good versions of modern 'burn' decks run creatures to do a lot of the damage, because if you can attack twice a those creatures do more damage per mana than a spell will, and they have the option of attacking even more than that.

>>49240822
Wait hold the fuck up
>Lost Legacy
>Deck full of rats
>A few non-rat cards that form a combo

>Exile all the filler rats from your deck, then draw equal to the number of rats you had in hand

SHITBREWS AHOY

>>49240758
I doubt they will ever return to New Pyrexia. We're probably just going to have Kaladesh 2: Phyrexian boogaloo instead

>>49240787
The first half of Magic's lifetime was centered around 1-3 planes, calm the fuck down

>>49240858
Where you gonna get the 1BB to cast Lost Legacy from?

>>49240868
I'm more mad that it's going to have Jacetice League dicking around on every plane.

>>49240796
I approve of your logic.

>>49240843
I can do you one better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdeYwObD-j4

>>49240868
no remember there was a golden age back then, when the stories were all great, and the characters where good, and there were no black people ever.

It was during, umm, umm, that time, with those sets, remember. It totally existed and we need to go back.

>>49240880
I was just explaining the concept of the deck. I'm sure in legacy you could run a Serum Powder based deck to Dark Ritual out a Lost Legacy.
In modern, it gets a bit more janky.

>>49240830
>Lorwyn post-eventide would be better
This. So much this. We barely know what happens after that, and the fact that the Aurora was basically destroyed means that it's either 24/7 Lorwyn or some amalgamate of Lorwyn and Shadowmoor

>>49240867
I don't remember where I heard it but Scars block wasn't going to happen originally, we were going to jump straight to New Phyrexia before they decided to show the fall of Mirrodin. We're almost certainly getting a NPH block

>>49240758
There was a annon in yesterday's spoiler threads that predicted all possibilities for future blocks from Ham and Eggs to Milk and Cookies. He also made solid predictions of what blocks would be returns and which wouldn't.

These were his predictions:
>Ham: Ravnica 3 or Alara 2
>Soup: Pirate world or Muraganda
>Spaghetti: New Phyrexia 2, Theros 2 or Ravnica 3
>Milk: Kamigawa 2, Theros 2, Vryn possibly

Among those he then narrowed Ham to Ravnica, Soup to pirates, Spaghetti to Phyrexia and Milk to Theros.

Here are the orininal posts:
>>49231018
>>49231231
>>49231693

Honestly, it's all pretty well reasoned.

>>49240911
>24/7 Lorwyn or some amalgamate of Lorwyn and Shadowmoor
If it's the former, that would suck, if it's the latter that would be cool because we would get some elements from both halves blended together.

>>49240853

Thermo-Thing is just the smallest bump away from being a truly viable standard deck and that deck runs like 7 creatures, 4 of which can only do damage as a function of you casting spells.

>>49240787
What are you talking about; I just explained that they do it 50/50 and since we do two blocks a year that means one old plane and one new plane a year on average.

That's about as balanced as you can get.

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>>49240896
>>49240843
Just print those servos like there's no tomorrow.

>>49240830
There wouldn't be cars.

Basically while doing ham they came up with a mechanic similar to vehicles; because they didnt want to step on Kaladehs's toes they said

>okay what if instead of you have to tap a certain number of creatures, you have to tap a certain POWER of creatures


Funny enough Kaladesh found that tapping based on number didn't work so they asked to use the ham version.

So a mechanic that was designed specifically to NOT be vehicles wound up being turned into vehicles.

Such irony.

>>49240867
New Phyrexia is literally one of mtg's three big bads.

they have to show up.

>>49240933
>kamigawa

Lost all credibility

>>49240906

I get the joke, which is dumb because the Weatherlight saga included several black people and women. Including a black woman as captain.

>>49240940
That deck isn't fast enough.
Thermo not having haste and being a big part of its damage meant it went down to removal real fast. So it was fragile too.

It wasn't 'the smallest bump', it was a pretty big bump. And had to hope for no counter bump.
You honestly should not have been expecting it to be a deck. And not because "WotC hates red", but because because it's a one dimensional strategy with little redundancy, minimal interaction, that wasn't very fast and had no big finisher.

>>49240933
Ravnica 3 seems like a strong favorite for the return.

Its got a bunch of mechanics; mtg does a gold blocke very four years or so on the dot and there is a story seed.

Plus Ravnica is the gatewatchers homebase/nyc type deal so its the perfect spot for a big invasion by say Bolas and the Phyrexians or whatever.

My issue is this. Ravnica is FUCKHUGE on density, every ravnica set has literaly been bursting at the seems with stuff to fit in just because of the huge design feat the ten guilds are.

How in the hell are they going to do it justice with just two sets?

5/5 with two large sets?

the bloat would be enormous

>>49240933
My personal bet is Ravnica 3 followed by Dominaria .

It will be fun seeing mtgs first setting revisted with modern sensibilities. and it's be a great 25th anniversary set.

>>49239623
5/5

This thing can take out an airship, wtf

>>49241034
>How in the hell are they going to do it justice with just two sets?
Large-Small-Large with a one-off set at the end, like Khans - Fate - Dragons.

>>49241084
The airship definitely should have been bigger.

>>49241084
The airship is going to fly over the top and take strafing runs at anything that could crew this.

>>49241086
wotc went 2 block specifically because 3 block model doesnt work.

Although it seems more and more that the next three returns will be Ravnica Dominaria New Phyrexia in that order. with a new or 2 set between dominaria and new phyrexia

>>49241034
>How in the hell are they going to do it justice with just two sets?
The number of cards per block hasn't changed.

>>49240933
Wouldn't Alara 2 be more fitting? Last we saw Bolas he was on the Conflux plot and had a lot of power over stuff there.

Also why they would return to Theros so soon? It wasn't really important to the League plot iiirc, unless they'll sidetrack that into the possible Ajani plot of saving Elspeth's soul.

>>49241134
oh ok

>>49241127
They went 2block because they had trouble fully utilizing 3blocks when it came to telling stories (See Burn of the Gods and Dark Ascencion being "do nothing" blocks story/world wise).

2block still has it's own issues for telling stories though, namely Kozilek and Emrakul bouth being defeated in the same set they were introduced in.

>>49241147
What was even the point of the Conflux?
Also take your trip off faggot

>>49239424

Conspiracy works on tokens, as they are still creatures you control. It also changes the type of any creature you were to reanimate or steal to the chosen type.

>>49241034
>>49241086
They could do a Lorwyn-Shadowmoor and do two block on the same plane

>>49240997
Of course they will show up. Passing through those convenient portals set by Tezzeret, Father of the Machines.

>>49241167
I thought that, but it seems like a bit too long to hang around Ravnica unless they have a REALLY solid story set up.
Considering it's WotC writing, that's unlikely.

>>49241193
I just want to know how the hell they will do ravnica 3 without it being stale.

>>49241193
could work for Dominaria. That plane is huge.

Like literally stated to be so. It's multiple times the size of earth, and they've developed stories on all the continents.

>>49241159
>they had trouble fully utilizing 3blocks when it came to telling stories
I don't see why it was difficult to adhere to an INTRO-CONFLICT-RESOLUTION structure. Seems better than the two set structure. Then again, I don't play the game for the story so makes little difference to me.

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Let's see here

>2x Kambal
>2x Ayli
>4x Zulaport Cutthroat
>4x Kalastria Healer
>3x Drana's Emmisary
>3x Lone Rider
>3x Filligree Familiar

>4x Aetherflux Reservoir
>2x Campaign of Vengeance
>3x Essense Extraction
>2x Anguished Unmaking
>2x Sorin, Grim Nemesis

>4x Caves of Koilos
>2x Concealed Courtyard
>2x Forsaken Sanctuary
>2x Inventor's Fair
>5x Swamp
>5x Plains
>2xEvolving Wilds

SIDEBOARD
>3x Aerial Responder
>3x Metalspinner's Puzzleknot
>2x Retreat to Hagra
>3x Serene Steward
>2x Always Watching
>2x Angelic Purge

Is it possible for Lifegain to come out on top?

Mythics:

Angel of Invention
Metallurgic Summonings
Demon of Dark Schemes
Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Nissa, Vital Force
Cataclysmic Gearhulk
Torrential Gearhulk
Noxious Gearhulk
Verdurous Gearhulk
Saheeli Rai
Rashmi, Eternities Crafter
Skysovereign, Consul Flagship
Aetherworks Marvel

That's 13. We know one of the remaining 2 is gonna be the red gearhulk. What about the last one? Dovin Baan?

>>49241225
>>4x Aetherflux Reservoir
Absolute Madman!

>>49241202
They're reveal the final big bad they've been building up to.
Phyrexian Eldrazi Slivers

>>49241216
They were putting a lot of the "CONFLICT" into the first set along with INTRO to get people hooked on the world. It also was taking so long to tell the story (time between set releases) that people got bored. Short attention spans ect.

>>49241225
Shitty meme deck/10 if your opponent doesn't let you stabalize. I'd suggest some repeatable way to make tokens if you're running Ayli so you can win value matchups off her.

>>49241242
That is what people are assuming.

>>49239623
This is such a poorly made card.
Should have been weaker, but lower costed and with a smaller crew.

>>49239623
See this is the sort of thing I had in mind when I said the best vehicles are solid artifacts with the upside of becoming a creature. It even lets skyship hit t4

>>49241216
IIRC the main reason was that when they made a 3 sets block with the same theme/abilities players got tired of them, so they tried to fix that by making a third set that was totally different (First zendikar for example) or keeping some abilities that would have been great in the first two set for the last (Constellation in the Theros block) and players were often unhappy with that, so they cut the third one..

>>49241289
>But lower costed
It's a mana rock you fuck. Read it again. You can use the tap ability ANY TIME YOU WANT, EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT CREWED. Is Darksteel Ingot poorly designed too?

>>49241216
because in an actual 3 arch story, those things don't take the same amount of time. Which one is bigger differs by type of story.
And the long gaps between set releases fucked that up. Actual trilogies get around this by having mini 3 act arcs in each one, but there isn't enough space in a set to do that. So you get intro-stall-conflict-stall-resolution. Which is not a good 5 act structure.

Return to Alara when?

>>49241289
Eh, three mana seems to be the standard cost for an artifact that taps for one rainbow (which this can do even if not crewed), they probably couldn't reduce the cost for that reason alone.

>>49241246
Ideally you'd only run two of them and mainboard Always Watching/Angelic Purge, I just didn't want to write up the same card in both Main and Sideboards.

>>49241261
I don't know if I just want to make it a mix of tokens/lifegain just yet. Perhaps run Retreat to Emeria or some other token generator then?

What do you guys feel about colored artifacts in an otherwise normal artifact block?

It just seems weird to have them be artifacts unless you can cast them with colorless mana like Reaper King or Vault Skirge.

>>49241335
>I don't know if I just want to make it a mix of tokens/lifegain just yet.
I was more thinking a Westvale Abbey or two actually.

>>49241306
>you can use the tap ability ANY TIME YOU WANT
Oh, fuck you are right. My bad

>>49240341
I'd run one in every deck I have. Pretty solid on its own, it's like a colourless vivid with an easier mechanic to regenerate the token. This is the first half decent energy card, in my opinion. Now they just need to do a 1BB Enchantment that's like "when X enters the battlefield, add 4 energy. During your upkeep you may pay 1 energy and draw a card."

>>49241341
I dislike colored artifact on principle.

>>49231018
>> The second return will probably be Spaghetti and Meatballs. I think so because Maro said it was the set he was most excited about
So what he's saying it that Maro can wait to drop his spaghetti?

>>49240341
So wait, one of these mixed with the >>49239363
set gives you infinite 1/1s and infinite +1/+1 counters, right? I mean, it's a 4 card combo, but still.

>>49241341
There are some artifacts that are spiritually in a certain color so it seems fine to me. The Rack, for example, is essentially a black card. An even better example is Vedalkin Shackles.

>>49241422
>Now they just need (Utterly Broken Card here)
"No"

>>49240858
Replace Rats with Shadowborn Apostles and run 1x Runescarred Demon, to tutor up the Lost Legacy?

>>49241159
I was assuming Wizards introduced the two block paradigm so that sometimes it would be okay to do a four arc mega narrative where it all happens on the same plane lorywn style or at least have the villain stay the same.

And I thought they'd do that with Ulamog and Kozilek.

Still no idea why they didn't pursue that line.

>>49241456
Yay for the Servobears Engine!

>>49240933
Swap the last two, no way we get another Phyrexian set before they bust Elspeth out of the underworld.

>>49241505
>Still no idea why they didn't pursue that line.
BfZ was originally a 3 set block with Emmy in the last set.

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>>49240939
>The inhabitants of Lorwyn-Shadowmoor struggle to cope with their split minds/personalities
>Some of them are able to either have one personality prevail over the other, or even merge them together
>Others go full Jekyll and Hyde, changing both in mind and body at dawn and dusk
>By day, the plane is more Lorwyn-like, and by night, more Shadowmoor-like, with creatures of the night causing havoc and mayhem
>Tribal-centric, with Kithkin, Merfolk, Goblins, Elves, and Flamekin as the primary races, and Faeries, Dwarves, etc. as secondary races
>Main conflict would be something something internal struggle, something something "Around Fey, run away"

>>49241456
how does it go infinite?
You still have to top for the mana, and animation module needs mana.

>>49241475
Not really, it's an objectively shittier phyrexian arena that requires energy to work. Sure, the production of energy might be wonked, and maybe if it was destroyed when you ran out of energy it would be better, but one card per turn for an energy related cost isn't that wishful.

>>49241561
Surely there's something we can use to untap the Land, or make it so we don't need to tap in addition to paying the energy counter, right?

>>49241561
Altar probably

>>49241422
It would more probably be
1BB "when X enters the battlefield you get 2 energy counters. Pay one energy draw a card, you lose life equal to the cards CMC"

>>49241557
My guess is the Kithkin would take to this sort of arrangement quite well, the Goblins and Flamekin...not so much.

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Tezzeret is head judge of the inventors fair so he can scout rad tech for Bolas's schemes.

Tezzeret is going to snatch up Rashmi's mini planar portal design for Bolas to send shit all over the multiverse.

The Gatewatch is going to find out and go to Amonkhet to beat up Bolas before he executes his plan.

The Gatewatch will win with the power of friendship and kill Bolas once and for all

>>49241578
sure, it probably costs mana, or taps.

The modules seem less about going infinite, than very easily going big. Unlike the stations, which use up each others resources, each one creates something.

So instead of an infinite combo, you use your landrop to trigger an effect that is basically
"X: Gain X energy, create X 1/1 servos, distrubute X +1/+1 counters among any number of creatures you control". That's not a bad effect.

I also like how if you open the rare, the module combo is obtainable in limited, each card can make itself go off by paying mana, and they aren't terrible by themselves in limited.

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>>49241633

What the hell would Bolas care about a planar portal?

Now, about some people who WOULD care.

>>49241593
or just "during your upkeep, lose one life, then you may spend 1 energy to draw one card" however that would be templated.
It's a limited lifespan Phyrexian arena that generate you energy to start with, but keeps hurting you after you run out of energy.

>>49241665
well Bolas might care about the people in that pic.
Or he just might love fucking with things.

>>49241526
>before they bust Elspeth out of the underworld
Bitch can stay down there and rot. White already has better walkers than her, and mechanics wise she was almost as retarded as Champion of Justice

>>49241665
Well who do you think he is planning to give it to?
Bolas love setting up nasty shit for other folks to deal with.

>>49241665
Phyrexian invasion in a small set would be boring and underwhelming.

>>49240518
You forgot
>Kambal
>Lamer

>>49241681
>White already has better walkers than her

But now that Sorin's out of the picture, White/Black does not.

>>49241633
>kill Bolas
Silly anon, all superhero team need a recuring vilain. They won't kill him or if they do he will come back like Thanos for the Avengers or Darkseid for the Justice League.

>>49240997
Prediction anon here.
Kamigawa was there because Maro confirmed it was undergoing exploratory design, so the chance of Milk being Kamigawa is there, albeit tiny. Plus, Eldritch Moon with Tamiyo talking about how there'd be consequences to opening the iron-bound scrolls seems to indicate there's a real possibility of a return happening. We'll see Tamiyo again.

>>49241072
No chance. If there's one thing I'm 100% positive about is Soup being a new plane.

>>49241147
I mentioned Alara 2 because its a popular plane and one that we haven't been to in a long time. That alone makes it a strong contender for a return in short notice. As to what could it be about I have no idea.

Theros is one of the most likely returns, specially after Ajani showed up for Aether Revolt (Amonkhet?). Ajani isn't just going to forget about Elspeth and if he does join the Gatewatch (remember: we were promised one Oath a block and Ajani is being portrayed as one of the Gatewatch in pic related) Theros 2: Operation Save Private Elspeth will be a go.

Plus, Dack Fayden is there too and ib Eldritch Moon we got Gideon being tortured by Erebos, which means he may want to return to his homeplane to settle it once and for all. Like Chandra has done really.

>>49241687
If they started right away it might be cool.
A return to Theros where everything is already fucked up would be cool.
Completed gods would be crazy.

>>49241557
if they go to l/s transform would probably come back.

That means it would be some distance from soi

Anyone else excited for RG beat down?
Cuz I'm excited.

>>49241668
What about "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay {E}. If you do, draw a card. If you don't, you lose 1 life."

>>49241764
I'd make it 2 life, similar to Phyrexian Etchings

>>49241717

Hurrah, let's have Phrexyia ruin another plan!

>>49241341
I don't care because I'm not a autist that gets upset by irrelevant flavor nonsense.

>>49241633
Bolas is the big bad; he aint going down in one shot.

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>>49241717
>Completed gods would be crazy.
Oh my I want this!

>>49241781
>implying Theros wasn't ruined from the start
I better get my fucking Enchantment block this time MaRo and not the fucking steaming shit-head that was Theros
ENCHANTMENT LANDS WHEN

>>49241717
Fuck off with your villain-sues, you've already ruined one plane, no need to ruin more.

>>49241804
That's what we thought about the Eldrazi

>>49241814
The more time I spend on this board the more I think that MaRo is right and that the players deserve to get treated like idiots.

>>49241613
Goblins didn't really change much afaik, but the Flamekin would fluctuate between angry skeltal and happy arsonists.
But would the elves be Nazis or Commies?
>>49241729
Hopefully it's only 2-3 sets after it rotates out, so it could come out in 2018/early 2019

>>49241716
>Kamigawa was there because Maro confirmed it was undergoing exploratory design,
Link me to where he said that shit that 100% believe did not happen. Are you sure he didnt say a japanese world was being explored; he has said repeatably they are more likely to do a new japan than kamigawa again.

>>49241557
>flamekin are fucked up even more than their shadowmoor times because some of them simply get weaker at night
poor flamekin

>>49241831

>New Japanese plane
>Somehow there are black people

>>49241848
>"Ash seeketh Embers."

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>>49241716
>No chance. If there's one thing I'm 100% positive about is Soup being a new plane.
Why? they can do back to back old old or new new as long as its followed by another backt o back inverted

for example

tarkir-theros
zendikar-innistrad
kaladesh-amonket
ravnica-dominaria
new-new

they could also switch it up

like

ravnica-new
dominaria-new

Although with what yous aid about spahgeetti and the timing being mtg 25th anniversary I think its dominaria return, perhpas with phyrexian villains.

>>49241716
alara is literally third tier

also you have to stop mentioning things as likely; its more about ORDER. almost every extant plane will come back its pointless to say its likley that Theors will be back when wotc TOLD us that shit. The question is WHEN not IF. And Theros is too soon for a recent return; the threshold is 4 years. Theros and tarkir were the last two new planes so there "turn" is a bit down the line

>>49241764
>>49241778
I think the point we all are getting to is that
1BB enchantment that etb generates energy, then has some mechanic where you spend energy to draw cards at upkeep could work so long as there is some life lose mechanic attached.
There is a fair bit of variety as to what that mechanic could be.

>>49241716
Card with Gideon and erebos?

>>49241814
>ENCHANTMENT LANDS WHEN
never.
Having "x type matters" and "x type lands" in the same set is not a good idea.

>>49240997

You misunderstood, he meant that we will see phyrexia again when they visit other planes, we won't return to mirrodin, it's over, phyrexia won, there's nothing left

>>49241850
If a bitch called Chandra Nalaar from a place called kaldesh with a desi as fuck mom and a dad who looks like a lightskinned bollywood star (literally he was modeled after one) can come out as a pasty white ginger scarlet Johnson wannabee then black folks in animeland isnt that far off.

And yes White Chnadra reeees the fuck out of me; its just such transparent sell out hypocrisy. Her being White should piss everybody off becasue the shere underahdness it presnets

>we want to seem progressivetm but god forbid we have a COLORED as a marquee character; we have movies to think about!

>Just give her an ethnic name and say she is "biracial' it worked for Emma Watson and that tv show we stole from bruce lee

>bravo! More cocaine enemas please!

>>49241814
Enchanmets are ..tricky

http://dtwtranscripts. spot to blog .com/2014/10/10314-episode-162-enchantment-world.html

So far the set doesn't have a single white male human. All the white guys are dwarves. I'mm all for a reasonable degree of diversity but what Wizards is doing is bordering on tasteless, pathetic selfhatred and pandering.

>>49241848
>>49241875
>flamekins start massive fires to prevent the weakening efffects of night.
>flamekin develop a pathological fear and hatred of darkness
>w/r order of zealots guarding against the dark
>b/r group who steal and burn preserve their flame.

>>49241848
>Be flamekin post-Eventide
>Got your shit together and are unaffected by the night
>Best bud hasn't and turns into a Cinder every night
>He wakes you up every night with his screaming
>You're not sure if he's angry screaming or pained screaming
>Either way, he's screaming
>And clawing at everything and anyone
>Once the morning comes, he's fine, but has no memory of his screamfest
>One night, you go to his hut in the middle of his screamfest
>His bony-ass body is smoldering, getting ash everywhere
>He turns to you
>And pounces, trying to get some of your flame
>The screaming doesn't stop
>You pull him off
>Now he's on fire
>But it's a gross purple fire
>He's still screaming
>And now he's running out into the woods, screaming and igniting everything in his path in a purple flame

>>49241821
But they werent. It took two block and there boss is literally waiting to come out and fuck everybody.

The gatewatch didn't seal Emma in the moon she WENT in there to gestate because Nahiri pulled her out to soon.

Its a fucking timebomb

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did this ever get posted around here? it seems cute.

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>>49241899
>people would rather New Shitexia over Kamigawa
I want off this wild ride. I didn't even particularly hate the set, the flavour of cards like War Report gets my dick hard, but I just know that going back means that the Jacetice league will ruin any feeling of threat that came with the Phyrexians, just like how the Jacetice league steamrolled the Eldrazi in only 4 sets.

>>49241939
no, because the actual pissed off whinning fuckers are the people shouting about "SJW ruining my game" and getting triggered that there were black people in the background of Innistrad cards.

The people thinking some diversity would be nice are actually acting like the reasonable one, and only acting mildly annoyed that Chandra is a ginger.

>>49241952
>http://dtwtranscripts. spot to blog .com/2014/10/10314-episode-162-enchantment-world.html
What kind of fucked link is this?

>>49241934
Ah ok yeah I get you; I had a similar idea.

So my tenuous predictions are

>Ravnica 3
>Phyrexians wreck Dominaria
>New Plane
>New Plane

Mix and match those as you choose. but I still think Dominaria is spaghetti or the like.

>>49241974
Work really well with madness.

>>49241939

>Caring about Poo-in-the-Loo representation

Pajeet go home.

Pajeet there are elderly women to scam.

>>49242004
Is Dominaria still the lynchpin in the Multiverse? If so if it does fall that might be a major fucking problem.

>>49242004
>Phyrexians wreck Dominaria
If this happen I want a flavor text saying "Not again"

>>49241939
>And yes White Chnadra reeees the fuck out of me; its just such transparent sell out hypocrisy.
See the thing here is, Chandra was invented before her parents where. They had no idea her backstory was going to be "She comes from not!india" so the real problem here is not Chandra's whiteness, but her parent's not-whiteness.

Her parents are the ones breaking consistency here, not her.

>>49241999
i had to remove the

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spot link because 4chan filters it just replaced "spot to blog" with that

>>49241955
>>49241962
I'm liking this.

Kithkin are open and friendly turning the day, but the night awakes a primal fear and they become reclusive and solitary. Their attitude makes them both appreciative of the W/R flamekin who hold off the terrors of the dark, while terrified of the B/R Cinders who are one of the terrors of the dark.

Oh, and remember how the elves were the one race who became better people during Shadowmoor.
So during the day they are haughty and arrogant, but now are tolerated because they are one of the protectors against the terrors of the dark.

Goblins have become more and more degenerate, while more of an annoyance during the day, at night they are one of the terrors. They keep being part black during the nighttime, but it's scarier now.

>>49241996
>and getting triggered that there were black people in the background of Innistrad cards.
The only Innistrad blacks anyone should be mad about is Black vampires still being dark as night, when a common trait of vampires is PALE FUCKING SKIN, or at least more pale than when they were human. Unless Blackula was from the fucking Congo, he's at least 3 shades too dark to be recognizable as a vampire by skin tone, which is one of their most distinctive features.

http://pastebin.com/TnDTNgvZ

pastebin on why Enchantment Worlds are tricky

>>49242030
Not him but I personally believe Kiran is actually white and that was their consolation to Chandra's whiteness. Realistically mix race would have mixed skin color but as said chandra was already white so there wasn't many options left open unless they were going to just have her not come from an India plane with a name like Chandra Nalaar.

>>49242004
>>49242025
>>49242028
Note the rough trilogy

Year one was Eldrazi

Year 2 is Bolas

Year 3 would naturally be phyrexians

>>49241939

But what do black people bring to a Japanese plain besides diversity points?

>>49242075
I can see a point there, and it's fairly reasonable.
But of course that isn't what people got mad about. They got mad that there were black people on Innistrad, when 'it's clearly Victorian horror, and is all about northern Europe and they shouldn't put black people there'. Which is stupid on all sorts of levels.

>>49242100
>Realistically mix race could produce a variety of skin tons, with pure white being unlikely but possible.
FTFY.

>>49241242
Either Dovin or Tezzeret. They've shown Tezz's artwork, but not Dovin's, so it's a little suspicious.

>>49242030
>They had no idea her backstory was going to be "She comes from not!india"
Yes they did, because they named her CHANDRA NALLAR its like if you made a dude called Dekembe Mbongo and had him look like Adam Sandler.

In fact, the entire reason why Kaladesh is india in the first place is because its Chandra's home plane so they made it Indian to match.

Chandra is so indian she made her entire fucking universe indian and yet she is a fucking ginger.

Its like how they will claim to be gay champions and yet gay folks never get put on cards and only get to be backgroudn charcaters.

It sends the message that sure it's okay to have diversity, but only in this little corner; save all the IMPORTANT shit for the normies.

Its okay to do sets themed after africa and india, bu those sets will be deisgned and dveloped by cres of all white guys.

Its cool to use lesbians to score sjw brownie points on tumblr but they cant be on any actual cards unless you coutn there tombstones.

You can have walkers who arent just generic pretty white people; but if you are old, disabled, or not white you get to be minor or supplemental.(or use dark magic to stay sexy sow e cal sell merch and movies with you)

Oh hey lets tease some Nissa Chandra shit for the fangirls and fap happy guys tee hee arent we special.

Its such bullshit and it pisses me off how people eat all this up.

A company that has to hire a blogger to tell them about black girls hair because they didnt have any working for them is not one that his its shit together.

>>49242178
"Realistically" means "what proably would actually happen", not "the only thing that could happen".

>>49242100
That's exactly what they did as a saving throw.

Same shit with david Carradine in Kung Fu. You claim they are "mixed" so its okay to have your white as snow guy serving as your "ethnic representation'

Of course they couldnt just touch her up like Gideon because we need a pretty white girl to sell merchandise and movie ticktes

>>49242179

Dovin's artwork is on the booster art though.

>>49242185
She's ginger because HER HAIR FUCKING LIGHTS ON FIRE AND SHE'S A PYROMANCER.
Also is the concept of hair dye like, alien to you?

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>>49242013
Wow such Indian
so ethnic
please take all my money wotc-kun you are so diverse

>>49242179
Dovin's art is actually shown on the packs.

Still seems weird that, we have to have 3 blue walkers right? There's no way they can get away without giving Tezzeret a card in the same way they couldn't get away without giving Tamiyo one. What do they all havr to be to balance the colors? I guessed there would be a WG walker in the second set (Ajani would fit), but that was before Nissa was in the first set and also probably other things.

>>49242185
Meanwhile I'm at the other opposite: I'm a skipe at heart who cares about good value for my money and what the card do. Of course interesting themes are nice but I give 0 shit about who is what if their cards aren't playable in a competitive environment. The flavor as 0 impact on my ability to play the damn card.

Long story short: I give 0 fuck about all of this and so should you.

>>49242212

Why are you so upset?

>>49242185
Oh wait, nevermind I read the rest of your post. You're just a raging progressive loonie who thinks that a minority should get more than a minority representation.

>>49242216
>skipe
Spike*
eh.

>>49242190
no, meaning is use, and a lot of people have been using that statement you have to mean that mixed race couples can't produce children on the more extreme ends of the scale.
They've done that on this website very recently, so if you wish to be understood on this website, you must use words like "more likely" or "probably" in order for your meaning to come across.

>>49242201
Well, I think they mostly didn't "touch her up" because she was much more ingrained in Magic than Gideon was. They said he was never meant to be white but I don't know for sure if that's true but if it was it could also just be chalked up to inconsistent representation in art which happens even now.

>>49241831
I saw it on his tumblr blog as a response to a question earlier this year. I think it was somewhere inbetween OGW and SoI that he said it but I can't find the post. I already tried to yesterday but I'm certain he did say something along the lines and I'm positive he said Kamigawa and not 'Japanese world'. That I'm very sure about.

>>49241899
>they can do back to back old old or new new as long as its followed by another backt o back inverted
Precisely. If Ham is new it'd be 3 news in a row, thus, it must be an old plane. I already argued why Spaghetti is an old plane and if I'm right Soup must be a new plane or it'd be three returns in a row.

I also get what you are trying to say. Even a return to Kamigawa is a given with enough time, but my predictions refer to the short term only because I don't have enough information to speculate any further ahead. What I mean to say is that indeed my predictions are about order.

Also return to Theros is happening by Milk is completely realistic considering it'd be what, 2019?, Plus, as I said, there are a lot of recent developments that point towards it, Ajani, Dack, Gideon... All have pending business there and Dack having gone to Nyx means they can't reuse him until they do Return to Theros.

But the biggest reason Why return to Theros is happening is because they simply need planes to return to. If they don't do Theros they'll have to return elsewhere if they really want 50% returns / 50% new planes, which means they'd have to resort to going back to places like Alara, Tarkir, Lorwyn or Kamigawa.

Alara is possible as I pointed out but Tarkir is even more recent than Theros and Kamigawa/Lorwyn are at the bottom of the pecking order. That Leaves Theros in a pretty advantageous position when it comes to getting a return and getting it soon.

Also I wouldn't give much credit to whatever Kelly scribbled in a banged-up sheet of paper. Alara is tier 2 at worst too.

>>49242185
>Its like how they will claim to be gay champions and yet gay folks never get put on cards and only get to be backgroudn charcaters.
You know, other than them strongly hinting there's more to Chandra's and Nissa's relationship than being friends.

>>49242227
My pain point is i am pissed at wotc because they try to use progressive shit to get good press and play but they always manage to push it into the sidelines or the corners. Its tokenism writ large. Anything "progressive" always needs to be packaged , covered up, sold or redirected into the good old boy method.

>>49241899
>Theros BTFO by Dominaria
I find this funny but also depressing because I love Theros as a concept regardless of how the actual set was executed.

>>49242223
I said it was a reee point; I just cant stand all these tumblr bitches throwing there panties at such a transparent platitude. Its the same old shit being sold as shiny and new and people are slurping it down by the bucket. Being a poser pisses me off than not actually being progressive and people BUYING IT pisses me off to no end.

This is like black people celebrating because you get Elvis playing "race records" or that one scene in the five heartbeats where they only got there record played when some preppy dudes were singing it and were on the cover.

Two facedness is disgusting. I prefer an honest enemy that a false "friend"

>>49242252
>Lorwyn are at the bottom of the pecking order.
but Lorwyn has such potential, thought the more I think about it, it should probably wait, because most of the cool ideas being thrown around are horror themed and would work well with DFC, and it's too close to Innistrad.

But Lorwyn 2 being a different type of horror theme, using more fantasy horror rather than classical horror, would be a really cool idea to explore. 2-3 years down the line I'd really love to see them do that.

Also, have race and/or class mattering be a subtheme rather than the major theme, because being a major theme made drafting to linear, but having a subtheme like in both Innistrads where it was possible thing to draft towards but not a thing you always did was really fun.

>>49242185
>Its okay to do sets themed after africa and india, bu those sets will be deisgned and dveloped by cres of all white guys.
>A company that has to hire a blogger to tell them about black girls hair because they didnt have any working for them is not one that his its shit together.

>A bunch of fat old white men will make these ethnically diverse sets, what a bunch of faggots
>These fat old white men actually called in a black woman to help design a black character? what a bunch of faggots

Needing to call in a blakc nerd girl to help design Kaya is pathetic but fuck you can't act these old white men wouldn't try their damnedest to make that africa or india set by consulting with people familiar with the culture and people of those places and then criticize them for doing exactly.

>>49242252
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/search/kamigawa
cant find it

>>49242314
Different anon here. I never understood the hate Theros got and is still getting. I personally loved the mechanics and Akros won me the game day back then.

So - erm, sorry but why the hate again?

>>49240796

I want a dinosaur plane now. Dinosaur creatures, dinosaur spells, dinosaur planeswalkers... Big green T-Rexes! Ally Velociraptors! Sacrificing eggs for mana! Eating enemy creatures for +1/+1! Or more!

>>49242347
If they go back to Lorwyn/Shadowmoor and DON'T do DFC I will send wizards a very angry email.

>>49242252
> When you say Kamigawa failed due to bad design, what all does that entail? Is it mechanics? Story? Flavor? Something else?

It is the worst ranked set in market research for mechanics *and* world since we started doing serious market research.


HAHAHAHAH wow, btfo

>>49242347
Lorwyn 2 definitely needs dfc, especially since the themes of transforming are abundant.

>>49242300
But the thing is, the problem with being "progressive" is that shoving it in someone's faces is pandering. It's pandering and bad writing.
Tucking it away in the corner, NOT making a big deal about "her dead wife" or things like that is literally the best way to be progressive, because when it's not being showboated around, when it can slip silently in the background, that makes it more normal.
I have a feeling that you want them to make a character who is first and foremost gay/minority/trans/progressive/whatever. And if that's what you want, I really hope you take a good long think about how a character written like that wouldn't be a good thing for anyone.

Basically I'm saying that they're doing the right thing by 'pushing it to the sidelines' of a character's personality. When they do that they end up writing "An old artificier prodigy who just happens to be gay" and not "HEY GUYS LOOK AT HOW GAY THIS CHARACTER IS! OH SHE'S ALSO AN ARTIFICIER OR SOMETHING BUT, GAAAAAAAAAAAAY".

Do you get what I mean?
For a better example of the kind of writing I mean, Arcade Gannon is a character in Fallout: New Vegas that IS gay, but not DEFINED by being gay. He's a doctor first and foremost and you might never find out he likes dicks unless you try and get in his pants.
That's how writing 'progressive' characters into stories should be done. Subtly and represented equally to how common their 'progressive trait' is in real life.

>>49242252
>Even a return to Kamigawa is a given with enough time
That one is actually something I SUPER doubt, at least unless its in something like Origins were its a small sliver.

The New japan block will mostly likely do to it was innistrad did to ulgrotha

>>49240629
Enchantress anon from eight chan, is that you?

>>49242435
No, I don't use Abortion-Chan. I just had a realisation as I read anon's post that there are no enchantress-matters planeswalkers but tons of artifact ones.

>>49242373
it's really perfectly set up for it.
It wouldn't quite have fit the old set, and the only worked out the kinks of the mechanic in Innistrad.

But "Flamekin Traveler" transforming into "Cinder Firethief", or all the rest.
Having classes indicate their alliances on how they react to 'the dark' impulses, with some of the races being more split about it.

It's all there. It's just too close to Innistrad right now. But if this isn't at least bouncing around creative for something down the line, someone needs to get their act together.

>still no UR Artificer
Wizards confirmed for chumps who are scared shitless of UR artifacts

>>49242474
>No URx Artificer
Mishra doesn't count

>>49242474
Or they're saving it for later in spoiler season since they know people have been waiting for it so long. It's fairly obvious at this point that there's a cycle of enemy-colored legends... we should wait until the UR one gets spoiled before complaining, I think.

>>49239226

Gearhulk is cancer.

I'll probably skip most of the set because I don't like India.

>>49241954

Have you seen any negros? I haven't looked through all the cards, but I think the elves are negros

Maybe there's just no white people on Kaladesh besides chandra

>>49242252
That was the result of votes by thousands of fans dude. By any meassure mtg planes go

>Ravnica/Innistrad

Unilaterally considered the best planes

then all the "good planes"
Zendikar is the only one I am 100% is on here, that vote suggests Dominaria I would think Kaladesh and Tarkir would wind up here

then all the rest

In any case of teh two returns in that 'cycle' we can pretty much agree Ravnica is the most likely of the first of them

i contend alara is too low ranked to be next up and various clues lead me to tend to Dominaria. also note wotc doesnt put gold sets closer than 4 years apart so if they do ravnica it cant be alara next ; tarkir got away with it by not actually being a gold set ratio wise .
The excitement,

Ham/Eggs; Old
Soup/Salad: New
Spaghetti/Meatballs: Old
Milk/cookies: New

So the shorter list for Spaghetti is something like

Dominaria, New Phyrexia, Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, Theros

Alara cant be on there because its too close to ravnica .

Of those four the one that most fits the profile "maroe excitement, 25th anniversary, story lynchpin) is Dominaria. Perhaps with Phyrexians thrown in as villains.

I have heard rumors onr eddit fo wotc posting job openeing for guys that can do japanese art; I have not seen these but if true it suggests soup/salad as japanistrad

>>49241954
>So far the set doesn't have a single white male human. All the white guys are dwarves. I'mm all for a reasonable degree of diversity but what Wizards is doing is bordering on tasteless, pathetic selfhatred and pandering.

You know Kaladesh is the Fake India plane? Like Theros was Fake Greece and Jamuraa was Fake Africa?

>>49242252
>>49242347

Numbers wise, kamigawa is the most hated set wotc has hard data on.

maro has said this A LOT.

>>49242459
>>49242373
They will have to avoid the really crazy as shit algorithmic tribal interacts though.

That shit was extreme even for experts.
mental challenge in mtg should be about playing the game not understanding bookkeeping

Its the bottom of the bin in flavor and mechanics.

so fir it to get a return it would mean that for some reason literally EVERY plane since then would have to have a reason to not be in the running for that slot.

Mathematically speaking you are moreliley to get a brand new plane or a third return fo something than going back to Kamigawa for a block.