MTG Kaladesh Spoilers thread

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Incendiary Sabotage - 2RR Instant - Uncommon
As a additional cost to cast ~, sacrifice an artifact.
~ deals 3 damage to each creature.
"All of those Consulate safety measures undone with a little tweak"

>>49233182
>five mana mythic creature
>2/1

>>49233182
This card is wildly underwhelming. Figures. I knew fabricate was strong so why not make all the fabricate cards unreasonably expensive

>>49233250

Can make itself into a 4/3 if you so choose.

>>49233254
If it was 4 it would be good since it would be reasonably priced compared to the new Gisela. Though it has vigilance compared to first strike.

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>>49233250
5 mana for a 4/3 fucking makeing Gisela irrelevant in the very next expansion fucking wotc.

>>49233254
Really? I think it's actually a pretty interesting card. It's a Glorious Anthem and you can have it as a 4/3 beatstick or take 2 2/2 creatures instead. Well I guess the main issue is that it can get too easily removed.

>>49233250
It's 6 points of power over 3 bodies or a 4/3 flier.

>>49233204
Pretty bad artwork considering it's supposed to deal 3 to each creature. It's just sparks flying off a piece of metal...

>>49233302
How does it make Gisela irrelevant, she is better in most cases?

>>49233182
so a 5 mana 4/3 that pumps the team, or a 5 mana 2/1 with 2 2/2s. That's honestly pretty decent. Great curve out after dropping a gideon, especially if you ult him and have a number of other creatures on the board.


>>49233302
But this angel will lose to Gisela every time anon, they clearly have different appeals.

>>49233315
servos are 1/1 bro, it think this will be good with always watching.

>>49233340
With the angel they're 2/2s.

>>49233340
Always watching is non token.

You naysayers need to calm down :) this cards is totally mythic
>complex
Flying, vigilance (like, what even IS that?!) and lifelink with a new mechanic!? Way too complex for any new player
>big explosive feel.
What is a bigger feeling than getting a 2/1 flier lord, and 2 1/1's? this card screams explosive plays
>legendary
Super legendary

>>49233204
This card kills both modes of this card >>49233182, cool!

>>49233182

Should be give opponent's -1/-1 instead then it would be goat.

>>49233388
How about both make it a baby Elsh Norn?

>>49231335
>Did you not pay attention to Origins at all?
No I didn't. I don't even know if Origin had an actual story

>>49233182
Why does this angel look like a genderbent Galactus with wings?

>>49233182
can they please make an inventor werewolf and vampire already. It is the inventor's fair after all and everyone is welcome.

>>49233182
I'm going to be that weird fucker who's going to drop her as a 3/2 with a 2/2 token.

So, I am jumping the gun here while we are still waiting on Kaladesh... but... upcoming Egypt plane. Return of devotion and god creature types, yes/yes? I am going to bet, however, that as the description mentions five gods specifically, they'll probably be wedge (or shard, but probably not since we had that recently with Tarkir) colored so as not to be redundant with the Theros gods.

>>49233509
You can't.

>>49233509
Unfortunately, you can't. Either you get +2/+2 or you get 2 1/1 Servos.

>>49233522
Well that sucks.

>>49233512
Maybe they will have some other sort of gimmick than being enchantments?

>>49233488

Can't unsee

>>49233494

>werewolf

I waited so long for the legend because I wanted to do wolfie tribal EDH, and then it was crap. Now people are waiting for an Izzet artificer legend with real artifact synergy...

>>49233512
God types yes, devotion? Hell no. They don't retouch mechanics that fast

>>49233531

two 1/1 servos that get +1/+1

>>49233182
Could have had "creatures you control have fabricate 1" and it's still barely playable

>>49233263
Or more reasonably be a 6/5 split over three bodies.

>>49233568
Yes, I was just talking that he just has these 2 options, no in between.

>>49233340
It's like you read neither card before posting.

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>>49233359
I guess being angel is complex enough

>>49233359
The reason this card is mythic likely has much more to do with how good it is in limited and how it turned up there too often at rare.

>>49233204

I just want to say to the dumbfuck who joked that theyll colorshift snapcaster mage from Blue to red that you have fuckino idea what you're talking about

Snapcaster was suppose to be a red card to begin with, flashback was suppose to be a red mechanic with a few blue cards getting it but the fucking sperg who the card was made after threw a bitchfit about the card not being blue because he was a blue player

In fact he was the entire reason they stopped making cards after world champions after that because he was so fucking difficult

TL:DR blue stole snapcaster mage from red and red deserves it back

All the angel cards are boring as fuck and just have a bunch of random abilities slapped on them.
This is nothing new.

>>49233665
What on earth does this have to do with the post you replied to?

>>49233613

Which leaves you with an Angel that dies to anything, which gets rid of 4 of that power.

>>49233665
>but the fucking sperg who the card was made after threw a bitchfit about the card not being blue
Not true. Tiago refused to design a card at all because he wasn't interested, so Maro asked him what he would like his card to be and Tiago answered something like "cheap, blue, provides card advantage" and the card was designed after that. It was never anything other than blue.

>>49233691
Yeah, but you still have two bodies while in your case you'd end up with nothing.

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>>49233182
At least the angels on Kaladesh look pretty cool being bright red with four arms.

>>49233706

I may have been a bit wrong but you're even more so

MaRo saying the card should have been red

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/23680242486/did-you-ever-consider-making-snapcaster-mage-red

And Tiago's original card that he wanted

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/saga-snapcaster-mage-2011-10-24

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>mfw all these spoilers

I thought MaRo said this was one of the best sets he worked on, its looking to be more disastrous than BFZ

>>49233706
You're mistaken. That's the story for how Dark Confidant was made, Bob Maher's card, with the obvious exception that he said Black instead of Blue.

Tiago actually initially designed a land that you could discard for 2UU to counter a spell, WotC didn't like the idea partly for power level concerns and because everyone else had made a creature, so Tiago designed Snappy as he is now.

>>49233182
>4/3 mode gets you the most value out of vigilance, lifelink, and evasion
>a 4/3 body is pretty much shit in any format
>Servo mode gets you 2 more power on the board
>makes the angel itself less effective
>holy Pyroclasm batman
If it were a 1/2 for 2WW it could be great, but apparently we're not allowed to ever have an efficient flying beater that's outside of Bolt range. Instead we get overcosted garbage at mythic that's bad no matter how you play it.

Bravo, Wizards. At least Arachnoangel is interesting to look at.

>>49233788
>1 extra power is worth 2cmc over Restoration Angel
I like it, would play in an ETB-heavy EDH deck as Resto #2. But that doesn't mean it's a good card.

>>49233829
We're 1/3rd of the way in so far and there have been some pretty decent cards. Chandra, Fair, Whitehawk, Voltaic Brawler, Cataclysm Gearhulk, Rejection, Fastlands, etc.

Just wait for Tezzeret 3.0 to lead us home.

>>49233904
>Tiago actually initially designed a land that you could discard for 2UU to counter a spell
Yes, because he knew it would never be printed. When Wizards asked him to design a card they actually could print after he won he told them he didn't want to.

>>49233829
the set is good except for everything maro touched, like white dwarves and energy and vehicles

>>49233829
>muh meta
Nah, fuck off.

>>49234010
Dwarves should have been white from the beginning and I'm surprised it took them this long to see if they would work as white's characteristic.

>>49233794
>MaRo saying the card should have been red
Except he doesn't say that. Would have been red =/= should have been red.

>>49233972
Well, it can flicker other copies of itself and is an uncommon instead of a rare, so...

>>49233512
I had an idea for the Egyptian gods - each would require you to give up something the color wants.

Green God makes you sacrifice a creature (with power 4 or greater probably) as it enters (maybe does something with the creature's power like +1/+1 counters?).

Red God gives the opponent life.

Blue God makes you discard 2 (?) cards.

Black God gives the opponent some tokens (probably crocodile tokens for that flavor).

White God weakens your other creatures (probably just -1/-1).

>>49234002
No, Tiago designed Snapcaster himself.
Again, you are thinking of Dark Confidant, which was designed by Mark Rosewater on Bob Maher's behalf.

>>49233980
Maybe I'm just negative about it since my group only wants to play commander all the time, some stuff definitely looks playable on commander but not stuff for me

>>49234021
>muh meta
What does that have to do with anything? If you're remarking about bfz being bad if really was a bad set.

>>49233904
I think the land counterspell is well within acceptable bounds. It's not much different than the other uncounterable 4 cmc counterspells. Certainly would have produced less butthurt.

>>49234048
> race stereotypically set in the mountains
> clearly should be white

I mean, stereotypical dwarf culture definitely makes sense as white, but that mountain home thing is a problem, flavor-wise.

>>49233655
3 toughness dies to most of the set and it doesn't first strike.
All you'll ever use it for is vehicles, but vigilance doesn't help with that.
Also, dies to eve the shittiest removal in the set.

Limited would be fine with this being a rare.

>>49234072
>three-card combo involving multiples of the same creature that each cost 4WW
More or less a non-issue.

>>49234048
>>49234310
That has pretty much always been WotC's problem with printing Dwarves. Characteristically they're White, but they're too strongly associated with Mountains to ignore that. Every single time they've been about to print Dwarves, this discussion cropped up and they didn't like any of the available options.

It seems like their attempt to reconcile it here is to just print them in a plane where it would be weird for them to be living in the Mountains and let the players just dismiss the connection on that premise instead.

>>49233829
I'm reserving my judgement for gremlins

>>49233250

>implying I won't evolve into this out of artifact doggo

Cmon son

>>49234621
I don't think anyone needs to imply that, because it's a fact.

You're going to Eldritch Evolution a CMC 2 creature into a CMC 5 one? Sit still, let me just call the judge.

>>49234079
Wouldn't the blue God just make madness better?

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>>49234664
Doggo is CMC 3 acktually.

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>>49234664

>2

CMON SON

>>49233359
Shut the fuck up maro

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>>49234711
>>49234728
My mind went elsewhere. That thing seems more like a fox to me.

>>49234780

Ah now this guy will be piloting my vehicles.

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>>49233182

Actual terrible mythic coming through.

>>49234798

I tried to make this work

The only good stitching is haunted dead

>>49234728
>>49234780
Oh wait, it literally is a Fox.

>>49234811
YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW. Stitchwing is good too.

>>49234794
Robot Wolf, professional racer.
There is no way this could go wrong.

>>49234728
>must have gift for everyone
>pretty good pickup for every draft deck
As soon as you are passed the bombs and top removal, this card gets drafted out of the pack.

>>49233980
Why do people care about Ceremonious Rejection again? It's just a different type of Annul.

>>49234310
And goblins should dwell in swamps and dark forest caves.

>>49234847
Still suffering winter flashbacks.

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>>49234847
Hello.

>>49234847

Because it's relevant in every format outside of pauper?

>>49234867
Also, Emrakul was in how many top standard decks?

>>49234867
Yes, it counters things for one mana. That's what Annul did too.

>>49234728
This needs to pilot an Arwing.

And have a wolf pilot a Wolfen.

Please.

>>49234882
It's not drastically more relevant than variants of that kind of counter already were. This isn't the first time that kind of counter has existed.

>>49234889
except the 'things' annul countered were not powerful format defining creatures.

My your logic, it's just another Spell Snare, because that also countered things for one mana.
Totally the same card.

>>49234889
This counters many relevant things that Annul does not. I'm not sure how you're missing the obvious here.

Only one mythic left to spoil and it's gotta be b/w or colorless.

>>49234956
The red robo?

>>49234917
Eldrazi make up only a fraction of the "format defining creatures" in any format. I hate when people resort to "by your logic, X". Why can you only argue by putting words into my mouth? I'm not saying git won't be played butbits just the ones sideboard card, not format defining or anything. I really don't think not deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as fastlands, new Chandra, and for standard maybe Voltaic Brawler and Cataclysmic Hulk.

>>49234728
>>49234780
>Robo Lupine
>Robo Vulpine
>One is a wolf grafted to a robot suit
>The other is a cute wind up fox toy
>Together they fight crime.

>>49234975
>butbits just the ones sideboard card,
Don't know what the fuck happened here. It's just tech or a side board card

>>49234975
> I hate when people resort to "by your logic, X". Why can you only argue by putting words into my mouth?
the words from your mouth were "it counters things for one mana. That's what Annul did too". Which are really stupid words, because what the 'thing' is that it counters what matters in this situation.

I was pointing that out by going to the extreme of the statement you made, because it was a clearly a stupid statement.

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>>49234975
>I really don't think not deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as fastlands, new Chandra, and for standard maybe Voltaic Brawler and Cataclysmic Hulk.

Well I think you're wrong.

>>49234975
> I really don't think not deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as fastlands, new Chandra, and for standard maybe Voltaic Brawler and Cataclysmic Hulk.
that isn't what you said before, you said it's just another type of annul >>49234847
then repeated yourself here, clarifying that you think it's just another type of annul because it counters things for one mana >>49234889

Leaving out that how good a counter spell is depends very much upon the type of 'thing' that it counters, because under 3 mana counters spells don't hit all 'things' anymore.

>>49234956
Only 12 Mythics have been spoiled so far. There's the Red Gearhulk left and likely two other slots, possibly more.

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>>49233182
Well so much for my hopes of getting some more cool robotic angels to join Platinum.

At least the Gearhulks are neat.

>>49235008
Going to the extreme of a statement is not how you "prove" anything. Thats why resorting to that rhetoric is stupid. Thats an absurd way to argue. You don't prove how stupid a statement is by making a leap of logic to a totally different and, as you admitted, hyperbolic extreme. You, you know, argue it. Make counterpoints.

>>49234889
>Yes, it counters things for one mana. That's what Dispel did too.

When does it stop sounding stupid to you?

>>49235045
How is that not what I said? I mean it isn't but the statements are mutually exclusive. Did you think I was implying something?

>>49235045
He isn't wrong though. It is just a sideboard card.

>>49233788
Looks like some wannabe Steven Universe malarkey

>>49235112
>are mutually exclusive.
Aren't

>>49235074
>Make counterpoints.

Okay, counter point:
The fact that it is similar to Annul is not a reason to be dismissive of it, because it is different from Annul and counteracts a different set of cards than Annul. It is a new option, even if it looks similar to an older option if you squint at it.

>Volcanic Gearhulk
>5RR
>Haste
>When Volcanic Gearhulk enters the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card without paying for its mana cost if it's a instant or sorcery card.
>5/4

Calling it now.

>>49235118
>Steven Universe malarkey

You just picked a random popular thing, didn't you? A couple years ago you would've said "Adventure Time malarkey" or whatever else came to your mind.

>>49235074
You said 'it counters things for one mana', despite those things being different and, ignoring completely the fact that the 'things' that it counters are what makes a counterspell good or bad in general and in a format.

That point that the 'things' it countered was the important part needed to illustrated, as strongly as possible. Thus the use of an extreme example.

It wasn't a leap in logic. The if you want to break it down as logic, it's closer to reducto ad absurdum. I reduced your statement to it's parts, and derived from them a statement that was absurd.
Technically it should have been a contradiction to be true reducto, but a clearly nonsense statement works too.

>>49235142
Ok. No one is arguing that it's not a new option. No one's even arguing that it isnt a valid option. It and, say, fastlands are totally different levels of cards here. I feel like people are getting more excited over it than it really deserves is all.

>>49235150
Needs to say "shuffle your library" first otherwise you can put <insert stupid card here> on top and go off.

>>49235150
>When Volcanic Gearhulk enters the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. You may cast that card without paying for its mana cost if it's a instant or sorcery card this turn.

FTFY

Reminder that Panharmonicon is going to be the corner stone of Standard until rotation.

You can practically build whatever the fuck you want around it, it hits so many abilities.

>Panharmonicon Reflector Mage
>Panharmonicon Gearhulk
>Panharmonicon Fabricate
>Panharmonicon Whispweaver Angel
>Panharmonicon INSERT ETB CARD HERE

>>49235176
>It and, say, fastlands are totally different levels of cards here.

That is incorrect. Fastlands don't do anything to enable new decks or hose existing ones. They'll be a tiny little splash that barely actually affects how matchups are played.

If anything, they're actually somewhat less important that Rejection.

>>49235112
>I mean it isn't but the statements are mutually exclusive
saying, "I enjoy cheese" and "I am sitting in a chair" are also not mutually exclusive.
But if I say "I enjoy cheese" I did not say "I am sitting in a chair".

I didn't imply that the stuff you said in the first two posts, an then in the later post, were mutually exclusive. I implied they were unrelated.

>>49235117
I didn't say that was wrong.
I said the logic of "It's the same as annul because it counters things were one mana" is a bad argument, because 'countering things for one mana' depends upon the thing that is countered.

>>49235166
>despite those things being different and, ignoring completely the fact that the 'things' that it counters are what makes a counterspell good or bad in general and in a format.
Im pretty sure I acknowledged it countered different things ("different type" of Annul), and how did I ignore that? What in the world do you think I was implying?

>>49235150
I wouldn't be surprised if the red gearhulk was this.

Although the Design team probably would replace the haste for first strike or some shit.

>>49235214
#triggered

>>49235185
>If it is an instant or sorcery, you may cast it this turn without paying it's mana cost.
FTFY

>>49235185
>When Volcanic Gearhulk enters the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card without paying for its mana cost if it's a instant or sorcery card.

FTFTFYFY (fixed that FTFY for you)

>>49235275
>without paying for its mana cost
what the hell no way

>>49235273
>>49235275
In my defense I am slightly drunk and legalese illiterate.

>>49235230
But thy weren't unrelated. I said it was a different type of Annul (not "the same as Annul" by the way) because it was a one mana hoser counterspell because like annul it'll be tech or sideboard hate but not anything especially amazing. The two statements are not "unrelated", I just think you thought I meant something I didn't imply.

>>49235238
that you didn't consider the importance of the potential targets caused by the different type of thing.
And that all one mana 'counter a type of thing' are close to each other in power and usefulness.

>>49235283
Whatever, I mostly just was fixing the "until end of turn"

cut me some slack, jack

>>49235286
no, 'it's a different type of annul" and "I really don't think not deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as fastlands, new Chandra, and for standard maybe Voltaic Brawler and Cataclysmic Hulk."
are not related statements.

>>49235286
Let's take a moment to roll all this back.

>>49234847
>Why do people care about Ceremonious Rejection again?

This was your original question. The answer is "Because it helps to improve some decks' matchup against Eldrazi, an archetype which has proven itself to be very strong in multiple formats".

Is that answer satisfactory for you? Can we just go ahead and call this conversation over?

>>49235214
>Panharmonicon + Strionic Resonator + Rings of Brighthearth

WELCOME TO FLAVORTOWN

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>>49235185
>>49235273
>>49235275
Use references from existing cards, people.

>When ~ enters the battlefield, exile the top card of your library. Until end of turn, you may cast that card without paying its mana cost if it's an instant or sorcery.

>>49235313
Yes they are. The reason I don't believe it's on the same level as those cards is because it is a hate card similar to Annul. The latter is explanation for why I think people are overly excited for it.

>>49235214
>he actually thinks people will build around a win more card

I predict people building around Eldritch Evolution to cheat out gearhulks or creatures with amazing etb abilities and top the curve with emerge creatures.

>Still no Red Gearhulk

So it's either amazing or hot garbage. I doubt it is in between.

>>49233204
>gonna crew this vehicle
>and in response to that I'm gonna crew this other vehicle
>and in response to that I'll crew my last vehicle
>and I'll respond to all of that by tossing this random artifact I don't care about to blast everything for 3
>okay, you can have priority now
I can dig it.

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>Magic Origins
>Kaladesh is teased as a plane with Thopters everywhere
>Finally get to Kaladesh
>Get shitty vehicles and servos which are totally not myr

I just wanted another silly Thopter card with +1/+1 shenanigans

>>49235388
see >>49235222

At best, Fastlands help some low curve decks to pad their life totals by saving them damage from fetching Shocks. In this way, all Fastlands really contribute is improving some matchups against aggro and burn. They are no more impactful than Rejection, or even less impactful.

>>49235423
Wow, that is a very sad Pentavite and friends imitation.

>>49235479
It was first printed in Exodus, years before Pentavus in Mirrodin. That's Pentavus' granddad, not some cheap imitation.

Any reason angel in Op didn't have Flash?

>>49235512
My bad then.

>>49235519
Is there any reason it would?

>>49235519
if it had flash you're looking at a CMC of 7 or higher.

>>49235540
I dontnknow. At 5 no matter which option you pick with fabricate power level seems about equivalent to Dictate of Heliod.

>>49235578
Dictate of Heliod can't attack, block, or gain you life.

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>>49235423
I feel you.
I've built RW Equipments and was all hyped up to get all those amazing stuff from Kaladesh.
Instead we got Hotwheels for Limited.

>>49235590
or give you power on an empty board. Or have flying.

>>49235214

>4cmc slot in Bant Coco is empty
>slot these in
>???
>profit?

>>49235619
>Instead we got Hotwheels for Limited.

Something tells me vehicles was the result of Hasbro's meddling to push Hotwheels sales not the development or design teams' fault.

>>49235663
Ya that should work about the same. A 4 mana instant that immediately nets 6 mana worth of board presence is the same as a 4 mana do-nothing artifact that down the road may bounce a creature or two.

>>49235667
hasbro does not want WOTC mixing intelectual properties.

the same reason there has not been much official crossover content with D&D despite heavy player demand

Hotwheels is also from Mattel, not hasbro.

>>49235713
Welp, now that my ignorance and stupidity is observed by all, its time to shamefully crept back into the safety of anonymity and repress the mental humiliation.

>>49235663
>>49235214
Panharmonicon works best in decks that never want it. Unless someone can find a quick and easy combo with it, it will be without a home outside of EDH.

You see, the problem is that Panharmonicon works best with value creatures that get you some sort of advantage on entering the battlefield. The problem is, decks that are using these kind of creatures want the majority of their cards to be the same kind of value producing cards or removal. They aim to win the game by dealing with their opponents cards while generating advantage. A deck like that does not have space for a synergy card that can do nothing on its own.

Simply put, this is no Restoration Angel. The fact that it works good with your other creatures doesn't mean anything when it does nothing by itself.

>>49234811

Zombie waifu with built in ghost waifu?

10/10 will let them kill me in a shower of black and white.

>>49235787
We still need a qt human who dies and splits into a 1/1 flying spirit and a 2/2 zombie.

>>49233324
it's just art of someone sabotaging a robot so that it'll explode

>>49233829
this set is awesome you contrarian cunt. If you'd honestly compare this to BFZ then you honestly just have shit taste

>>49235755

The fact the Panharmonicion only works for things you do AFTER you play it, and not before makes it pretty bad.

Asking a player to make a deck that support a 4 drop that can be used to recur a ETB on your creatures on the battlefield, cheat removal, foil attacks, and so on AT INSTANT SPEED and only commit a little to white is good.

Asking them to have a turn 4+ that involves just dropping an artifact that doesn't represent anything is not that great.

>>49235794

Doomed Traveler and Xathid Necromancer lets you make one.

>>49235885
Not a qt waifu

>>49235422
>huge explosion with an airship and two cars flying out

>>49233788
Oh shit you're right, they're asura.

>>49235164
No there's some red giant character in the show and that's most likely what he's on about.

>>49233204
Ugh

I can't decide if this is a good addition to UR Visions deck or not

It means I now have to run 4 of an artifact but the possibility of a decent red sweeper is too good to pass up

>>49234794
Can't let you do that, Starfox!

>>49233646
Complex just means lots of things attached. It doesn't mean complicated.

>>49236382
>Complex just means lots of things attached.
So you're saying when MaRo says "Mythic is for complex cards" he means "Mythic is for overloaded cards with more abilities on them than is reasonable because 'Gotta make that mythic lottery cash'".
Gotcha.

>>49236176

What's the visions deck look like post rotato? Swap in galvanic and fast lands and call it a day?

>>49236529
>What's the visions deck look like post rotato?
Like a sad pile of nothing because even a conditional bolt is Haram, says WotC.

I'm kinda disappointed with the module trio. The fact that two of them utilize energy counters already reduces their versatility and viability for deckbuilding in eternal and the one that doesn't use energy cares about +1/+1counters, paying mana and creatures.

Stations were amazing, they can only get better in time when more specific jank is printed.

>>49235951
"I love it when a good plan comes together."

>>49235214
>brann bronzebeard azure drake
>brann bronzebeard mind control tech
>brann bronzebeard INSERT BATTLECRY CARD HERE
it's like people never learn

You faggots had a whole argument in this thread about the colorless counterspell and never once brought up how it can counter the Moxen, Black Lotus and more? How fucking stupid are you?

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Is this good?

Source http://lrcast.com/exclusive-lr-preview-cards-for-kaladesh/

>>49236653
The difference is Brann is a 3 drop with only 1 less attack than the vanilla standard, in a system with garunteed mana and gives you board presence when he comes down.

4 mana in MtG is far different to 4 mana in Hearthstone.

>>49236685
It's cute, I'm getting 100.

>>49235951
"You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"

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>>49236685

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>>49236731

>>49236685
>Once again Green gets best card in the cycle
The blue one seems like a solid defensive card, an effective 1/4 blocker for 1 mana is pretty sweet.
Red one might even be a decent Red Deck Wins card maybe? Effectively a 3/2 for 2 mana, not the worst.

>>49236744
Cute.

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>>49236744

>>49236660
Unless my ctrl f isnt working, it seems they didnt even mention tron, karn, ugin, and so on either. Really wish I was here to make a better argument, oh well...

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>>49236755

>>49236653
>>49236698
This, though I can see it being useful elsewhere, like commander.

>>49236748
>>49236744
dont forget, that even though they only get energy once from their etbs, they can trigger everytime they attack if you have excess energy to spare, and energy cost no mana, as far as I can tell, so that 2/1 turns to a 3/2, and then next turn play another spell that gives energy and 3/2 to 4/3 and so on.

Aether Processor 3
Legendary Artifact (M)
When ~ enters the battlefield, you get E.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you get E.
Pay E: Choose one —
• Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
• Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
• You gain 2 life.

Fixed Jitte?

>>49236744
Are there any one drops that give energy? A 3rd turn 4/3 is fun without spending any mana in the third turn.

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Anyone else worried bout our last 1 mana discard spell, i.e. duress? I dont think anyones every complained about duress or despise, since their conditional and it'd be real bullshit if we don't get our 1 mana conditional discard in this set. Last time I thought we were fine was Lightning strike, since I thought for sure we'd get some kind of reprint, and boy was I wrong...:(

>>49236812

>>49236685

>>49236830
I guess that counts.

>>49236797
actual spoiler or just having fun there?

>>49236823
IS there more?

>>49236853
Not a spoiler. Sorry should have added that.

>>49236744
>grow fgrom little caterpillar worm things into six legged aardvarks
wow gremlins are just barely not disgusting and end up cute.

>>49234794
You're onto something, that's pretty sweet. Red and what?

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>>49236858
Just the first two, if theres more i'd appreciate it as well.

>>49236797
>Fixed
Not at all, yours powers itself without even need a creature to fuel it and goes fucking insane when you generate extra energy off anything.
Make the ability only activatable once a turn and it's fine though.

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>>49236858
>>49236891

>>49235056
>Shit angel
>Wannabe Massacre Wurm
>Shit Storm enchantment
>Chandra
>Nissa
>PooLoo Girl
>Nigger elf
>Skysovereign
>Aetherworks Marvel
>5 Gearhulks
Only one left.

>>49234780
Wolf of Shitting Street
Designated Driver
Loopine Prototype
Drivarrhea
Formula 2
Flush
Carstool Lane
Vehicular Wolfslaughter
Curryhurry

>>49233182
>>49233788
I hope there's a rare angel that's not absolute dogshit.

>>49236886

With key to the city spoiled I honestly think BR has a shot. Gonna try it like that.

>>49236955
>2 Fart 2 Furious

>>49233635
Having perused this thread it seems nobody is reading shit or even has a basic grasp of how the game works before they post.

Isn't summer over?

>>49237049
>With key to the city spoiled
*Key to the Shitty
It's actually a pretty good card I just wanted the Poo in Loo joke

>>49236886
>Red and what?
What about Red and Wastes
>get to run matter reshapers and thought-knots, smashers ect.
>all those colour-less mana ulitity lands like Sea gate Wreckage
>Fucking Unknown Shores being the best fucking land in the deck because it's a wastes with the option to filter mana
>Best of all, run Hanewir Writhing Township to it's full value.
I can totally see Red/Colourless mid-range being a thing

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Cultivator's Caravan
3
Artifact - Vehicle
T: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

Crew 3 (Tap any amount of creatures you control with total power 3 or more: This vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)

>>49236744
I need a foil playset, now.

>>49237270
It's surprisingly not that shit. Better than most "3 mana ramp rocks" we get anyway.

>>49237270
>mana dorks are now 3 mana
Man, fuck NWO.

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>>49233340

>>49237306
It can turn into a 5/5.

>>49237306
>>mana dorks are now 3 mana
>now
Artifacts that tap for any colour of mana have always costed 3, get your head checked.

I actually like this energy counter thingy but why the fuck are they wasting them on biological animals? What are they implying? That the Kaladeshi use animals to produce their energy or that the animals est aether? I think it's a really cool mechanic for artifacts, but whitout ways to produce it aside from etb triggers and being used only to feed normal beaters instead of powering artifacts, I feel they wasted an enormous design space.

>>49237507
It implies that the Aether flows freely through the plane, through life and artifice.

>>49237519
OK, but with nearly 1/3 of the set spoiled se only saw 2 artifacts that actually can use them. Even the card that should represent the fucking aether reserve of the consulate features a janky life based storm combo instead of energy counters. Don't get me wrong, I'm really digging how this set is turning out at least as a limited environment, my autistic side is just a little rustled.

>>49234728
I don't understand. Why do they say "YOU gain 2 life" but then say "draw a card"? If the new structure always implies the controller unless otherwise specified, why say "you" in the first part? If they aren't going that route, why omit it in the second part?

Wizards has always been so picky about the exactness of their phrasing the last few years, so why would they go lax now?

>>49236113
none of the characters in the show look like that, though
the only similarities to any characters is
>red skin
>multiple arms
which is flimsy as fuck, he's just looking to meme it up and look hip.

>>49237507
>and being used only to feed normal beaters instead of powering artifacts, I feel they wasted an enormous design space.
Didn't you get the meme?
This is Creatures: The Tappening. They don't make good mechanics for non-creature cards anymore.

>>49237693
God, I would be fine just with artifact creatures.

>>49237693
>meant to type "memo"
>wrote "meme" instead
I think spending almost my every day shitposting is starting to affect me.

>>49237736
i thought that was the joke

>>49236519
Yes, that'd what I am saying.

>>49237693
Just play magic duels, all best decks are 3-4 colors decks with nothing but removal and planeswalker.

>>49233182
>summon
>get 2 servos
>servos crewed the skyship
>skyship is 7/6

>>49237825
Not any more. UW tempo and various aggro strategies are much more viable now, and greedy mana bases got worse thanks to the loss of Sylvan Ranger. Aggro decks are very able to punish control decks that stumble or just don't draw the right answers, which happens a lot given how awkward their mana can be and how they can only run 2x of each good sweeper in their colors.

>>49233182
I thought this was pretty bad at first, but then i realized it's a 2/1 that creates two 2/2's and buffs every other creature you have on the battlefield

if only the servos could fly

>>49238004
It also dies to tokens made by Ishkanah.

>>49238015
Even if you put all the counters on the angel, it's a 4/3. Sort of dies to Ishkanah's 3/5 body.

>>49237990
It's maybe because I am not lucky, but every time I play aggro , I have all my creature killed by Fiery Impulse/Lightning Axe+Fiery Temper/ declaration in stone/Blessed Alliance, a turn 3 boarwipe with Radiant Flames followed by Languish or Planar Outburst some turn after while they chumpblock with Gideon or Nissa token.

>>49236770
This game could really use more goats

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What's your opinion on the module cycle?

>>49238102
Absolutely perfect.

>>49238102
Too much fucking steam in the art, but Animation Module looks pretty legit. Respond to an Aether Vial activation by putting another counter on it, tick up your Liliana of the Veil, turn your Scooze into a machine that spits out tokens.

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>>49238144
>Too much steam in steampunk setting

>>49236955
2 flush 2 furrious

>>49233182

>3 toughness

Into the trash

Even in a format without bolt she dies to too many things.

This was the same thing that killed Gisela's playability

>>49238158
No but really you can't see anything properly in the art, it's a fucking mess.

>>49233359

Wedge you fat fucking shill, go back to Youtube

>>49238187
>This was the same thing that killed Gisela's playability
No, what killed Gisela is that she wasn't 3CMC or lees. Now that CoCo is rotating I'd expect Gisela to maybe see some play.

>>49233302


Seeing what happened to all the cool angels from AVR makes me very sad :(

>>49238191

Who are the "confirmed" /tg/ browsing YouTubers? I know boogie is a confirmed oldfag, wedge and MTGLion sure look like a couple of /a/utists, but who else?

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"Wild Dreams"
XXG
Sorcery
Return X target cards from your graveyard to your hand. Exile Wild Dreams.

Where were you when green become the card advantage colour and blue died?

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Unrestrained Dreams (? not sure on the name) - XXG

Sorcery - Rare

Return X target cards from your graveyard to your hand. Exile ~.

I have opened my mind to the marvels that surround me. If only i had been aware of the Great Conduit (? Panconexiòn is the spanish word) sooner.

- Rashmi, Diviner of Aether

not sure on the flavortext either,, but i tried

>>49238392
This card should not be green.

>>49238407
But anon, this is what green does now! There's presedence in Grapple with the Past, what's so wrong with us printing pure hard card advantage in green to go along with their card selection, draw filtering and raw card draw? Our research shows that most players like to play green, so green gets all the tools from now on!
t.MaRo

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>>49238392
>>49238397

Powercreep

>>49238427
>Wizards prints good green cards
>Everyone plays green
>Wizards sees everyone playing green
>Wizards prints good green cards
>Everyone plays green
>Wizards sees everyone playing green

Repeat ad nauseam.

>>49238392
>Where were you when green become the card advantage colour and blue died?
I don't think that's what the flavor text says.

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>>49238427
>>49238407

Uh.

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>>49238477

>>49238499
not card advantage

>>49238407
Have you seriously never seen regrowth, recollect, eternal witness, or den protector?

So it looks like energy enablers are everywhere.

>>49233728
1 damage to all creatures, everything dies

>>49238566
I just want a Coffee Maker Artifact that untaps a creature for E.

>>49233182
This is the first straight anthem as a creature since Three Kingdoms, as far as I know.

>>49238392
>>49238397
I'm more concerned as to if this card is good. Good enough yo merit an exile clause anyways.

Also it's more like:

>"I opened my mind to the vastness of the wonders around me. Only then was I aware of the Great Conduit."

>>49238640
>Good enough yo merit an exile clause anyways.
The exile clause is so you can't loop two of them infinetley.

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>>49238539
Uh.

>>49234664

You can sac this from a Matter Reshaper as well and draw a card or ramp.

>>49238689
>Two is the same value as X

Just stop.

>>49238705
That's two times you're moving the goalposts. When will it stop? Three if you're either >>49238427 or >>49238407

>>49238705

>"GREEN HAS NEVER HAD PURE CARD ADVANTAGE"
>"But this card is pure card advantage"
>"A BLUH BLUH BASNODFNASJNDF"
>"I AM SILLY"

>>49238705
what the actual fuck. If a color is able to do it once or twice, of course it can do it X times you dense nigga.

>>49238713
I'm Neither>>49238427
>>49238407

No one is moving the goal posts but you, kiddo. You're trying to "prove" that green is somehow always been considered the card advantage colour by using two outdated and shit cards.

Both of which don't even come close to the card advantage that this new card does. 2 mana for one, or 5 mana for 2 cards. That's not impressive, nor does it even come close to giving an impression of card advantage since you waste so much for so little.

This card essentially has a 1:1 advantage.

>>49238392
Hm. I guess it is basically strictly better Restock or Recollect unless you run Cascade or something.

I thought Restock was pretty good. I'll run it.

>>49238745
No, you dense fuck.

One card costs 5, and can ONLY let you return 2. There is no stipulation around it.

Another card allows you to return X, where X is anything from 0-infinity.

That you actually believe the two values are identical is a special kind of retarded. You must be american.

>>49238763
Are you genuinely considered for the potential for this card to be slightly better when cast for 7 or 9 mana?

Because at that point, you may as well be running Praetor's Counsel.

>>49238739
>Pure card advantage
>Shit cards that don't do much and have way too high a CMC for what little they do
>Totally the same as something with far more utility.

>>49238763
You're not stopping. And you're putting words into my mouth. You're really bad at this. I was simply following the reply chain, going down the incredibly stupid posts about a frankly average card. Green can recur cards from the graveyard, that's literally it. Sometimes it's 1-for-1, sometimes it leaves a body behind (Den Protector, Eternal Witness), sometimes it's X cards or just two.

That mechanic is green, whether or not it's pure CA is irrelevant. Dredge is a fucking green mechanic for fuck's sake.

>>49238787
>It doesn't have to be 7 or 9.

X can literally be 1 1 G

And it already has more value than restock for nearly half its CMC.

For the exact same casting cost as Restock you 4 cards. Double what Restock grants you.

>>49237306
It's a mana rock, you stupid idiot.

>>49238811
>whether or not it's pure CA is irrelevant
That's been the entire discussion you fucking knuckledragger.

If you can't form an opinion that at least is relevant to what we're talking about, don't act like a retard and pretend the actual topic of green being pure card advantage was irrelevant, all of a sudden, simply because it didn't fit your shitposting.

And nigga I just proved I was neither of the users you mentioned, so pretending I am this one guy responding to your imbecility doesn't really help you in the slightest.

>>49238814
You are actually retarded. Wow. At 5 cmc, it gives you 2 cards (Restock). At 3 cmc, it gives you one card (Recollect). At 7 cmc, it gives you three cards (like a shitty Praetor's Consul).

>>49238784
>That you actually believe the two values are identical is a special kind of retarded. You must be american.
Identical? They're different cards, this is irrelevant. The point is that green can return ANY card from graveyard to hand, and does so.

Thats it
THATS
IT

>>49238814

Not the same guy but that's not how X works in double X cmc spells.

For this card if you announce X is 1 then the card's CMC is 3(1 mana to pay for the first X, 1 mana more again to pay for the second X and finally one last G mana.)

So it's either one half of Restock for half the mana rounded up or it can be Restock for the exact amount of mana as Restock or it can be more than Restock for more mana.

>>49238814
Can you fucking count?
You pay XXG.
5 mana.
X is 2.
You get 2 cards.
You pay 3 mana.
X is 1. You get 1 card.
You pay 7 mana, you get 3 Cards.
This math is not hard, from Chalice of the Void to Hangarback Walker. XX costs are easy.

>>49238834
Follow the reply chain, you quoted the two posts saying that card shouldn't be green you utter cretin. It's not my fault you're agreeing with fucking retards, doesn't really help you not appearing like one.

And Restock (a card printed IS pure fucking card advantage. One card nets you two. The only way it can be more straightforward is by being Ancestral Recall for fuck's sake.

I don't even get what you're arguing against here.

>>49237270

This is actually very playable. Sol Grail was played in Standard before and now this one can punch you in the face for 5.

>>49238870
He's saying possibly getting 3-5 cards means that green is somehow stealing from blue's domain, despite the fact that better effects than this in green have been printed all over.

Look at you faggots arguing over what constitutes card advantage. Cute.

>>49238876
Sol Grail hasn't been the standard since Darksteel.

I don't think Ingot saw play when it was reprinted.

Y'all are right, I'm a dumb nig who couldn't math there. Sorry.

>>49237306
You have the flexibility of either a 5/5 or a mana dork (or a 5/5 blocker and then a mana for an instant, maybe). I'd say that's worth the higher cmc

>>49238895

Sol Grail was around in a time when it could be dropped turn 2 at times or even turn 1 off a Monolith though.

Ingot had no such luxury on its end and that Standard had better things to do than fix mana.

Now at least since Standard is kinda slow and you're looking at often turns going to 8-10 the "Sol Grail with an engine that swings for 5" seems like a reasonable card for big end control decks.

>>49238922
But anon, it doesn't have to be a creature to tap for mana. It's not a mana dork, it's a mana rock like
Darksteel Ingot.

>>49235214
Panharmonicon+ReflectorMage=Board clearer.

Every color gets card advantage:

White does it along with wrath effects, efficient creatures (vigilance etc) and land tax effects;

Blue mostly gets with its draw from library effects (that is confused as 'pure card advantage' and the only way to get card advantage) but does it too with bounce effects;

Black returns creatures from graveyard, pays life for effects, that sorta of suicidal black;

Red is the worst at this on purpose, it should be a red weakness. But recently they gave the exile from top of library, play/cast it this turn. Red also gets the Arc Lightning spread damage effects;

Green does it mostly from recycling cards from graveyard and big creatures and additional blockage, but it got the sacrifice a creature to draw cards equal to power/toughness sometimes.

>>49235411
When was the last time red got a good non-planeswalker mythic?

>>49238962
Thundermax hellkite :^)

>>49238952
The problem with the card, you dipshit, is that it's X costed. Traditionally only Blue and on some occasions Black get to pay X costs to get X card advantage. No-one would be mad if it was a reprint of Restock.

Also, recycling from graveyard can in many cases be better than pure draw because you get to pick what you return so you can choose the best cards for your situation.

>>49234728
Worse Solemn Simulacrum.

>>49238937
You're right, calling it a mana dork was wrong.

>>49238985
And so what? Green isn't allowed to get some 'good' card? It is or a design problem (it isn't, because it on Green slice of the pie) or a development problem (it could be, as they set costs). Being an XX cost get X makes me wonder, do you think it is a design or development problem?

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>>49238952

I'd also say a whole pile of white's card advantage comes from virtual stuff like 2 for 1 abilities that can return something back to hand or into play or let you search for something but with restrictions. That and tokens.

>>49237270
Love it. Mama rock that can throw 5 damage if you tap a weak shit.

>>49239019
Yeah, I forgot about those and tokens. White fetchs for stuff too. Red sometimes does it (Goblins and Alesha).

>>49238985
But the idea that making it X is a big deal seems ridiculous. Every color gets cards with X as long as the effect they are mimicking is within their color.

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>>49238985

>>49238102
Pretty nice combo that gives you the ability to create 2/2's for 1.

>>49239015
Don't bother arguing with him. It's a butthurt /tg/ blue player, the only thing he wants is that the only playable deck in mtg is creaturless monoU permission.

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>>49239046

>>49238985
Did you throw such a bitchfit when seasons past was spoiled too? It gives you a lot more card advantage than that.

>>49238814

This is fucking embarrassing.

>>49239015
You still don't get it, do you?
"Pay X (or in this case, XX) get X card advantage) is BLUE, with a few smatterings in red and possibly black.
Not Green. It has nothing to do with the fact it returns shit from your yard, it's paying X for X cards.

>>49239044
>Every color gets cards with X as long as the effect they are mimicking is within their color.
And Blue is (or used to be before this abomination) the only one they got cards in hand from X costs.

>>49239046
Re-animation, I'm talking about CARDS TO HAND here. Return to Ranks is as relevant to this conversation as fucking Fireball is.

>>49239064
>Did you throw such a bitchfit when seasons past was spoiled too?
Season's Past is also another fucking abomination of a card that shouldn't have been printed, but WotC loves green right now.

>>49239061
It is fine. I think it is a problem with R&D communicate what is each color's role on the game mechanics. I was thinking myself of doing an article about it, but they bend and break it too much.

>>49238814
>>49239071
I thought Wizards was wrong when they said X is a complex mechanic that confuses the poor mouthbreathers. I have been proved wrong.

>>49239081
>Re-animation, I'm talking about CARDS TO HAND here. Return to Ranks is as relevant to this conversation as fucking Fireball is.
No, you claimed there's no card advantage with X in colors other than blue and black. Are you too stupid to realise that putting creatures on the battlefield is even better than returning them to hand?

>>49239081

>"Pay X (or in this case, XX) get X card advantage) is BLUE, with a few smatterings in red and possibly black.
>Not Green. It has nothing to do with the fact it returns shit from your yard, it's paying X for X
cards.

What? Are you saying green can't have X spells because I can find you like 4 more X green spell cards.

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>>49239104

Pic related

>>49239081

>Take green effect
>Make card where you can pay X to do green effect X amount of times
>"THIS ISN'T GREEN"

????

>this debate over X regrowths-like effect
Fucking christ, green does it once, it can do it X time. What the fuck is wrong with people.

>>49239081
>"Pay X (or in this case, XX) get X card advantage)
No, it's not. ."Pay X draw X cards" is blue. The mechanics themselves are what's in the slice of the color pie, not their impact.

Every color gets to remove creatures, but not every color does it through cards saying "destroy"
Every color gets card advantage, but not every color does it through cards saying "draw"

If you don't get that, you've fundamentally misunderstood the color pie.

>>49239061
>Don't bother arguing with him. It's a butthurt /tg/ blue player
Nice assumptions, but I'm a red player and absolutely hate monoU permission draw go shit.
But I still realize that this card is really shitting on blue's slice of the colour pie. I hate this card BECAUSE of how blue it is. I don't want Blue's bullshit leaking over to other colours, especially one as standard-dominant as green.

>>49239104
>What? Are you saying green can't have X spells
Read it again knuckledragger. Green shouldn't have "Pay X for card advantage" but shit like Chord of Calling or Green Sun's Zenith is a totally fine X cost spell for green.

>>49239116
>Take green effect
>Interlace it with blue effect (Pay X to get X card advantage)

>>49239128
Ever colour gets card advantage. Only blue gets 'unlimited' card advantage/flexible card advantage.

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>>49239081
Alright, buddy. Here is an X cost card that gets cards in hand from X costs.

>>49239116
>>49239104
I think I got his problem. He is moving goalposts. First he claimed "card advantage", then "cards to hand". Of course "cards to hand" is to broad, Blue does "cards to hand from library" and Green does "cards to hand from graveyard".

And I think he have a little problem with cards scaling themselves.

>>49239081
>Re-animation, I'm talking about CARDS TO HAND here. Return to Ranks is as relevant to this conversation as fucking Fireball is.

>cards to hand is card advantage
>cards to battlefield is NOT card advantage

Are you legitimately retarded?

Why are you guys even discussing this, the card is not in development, its out. You can't unprint it, what the fuck is the point?

If wiz decides that green does something, it does. That's it. Beside, its not the first green card to do that.

>>49239137
>Only blue gets 'unlimited' card advantage/flexible card advantage.
That's just wrong, why are you making up bullshit?

>>49239147
I think he just need to educate himself in the game's concepts. He clearly don't understand what is happening.

>>49239137

>>49239137

>>Interlace it with blue effect (Pay X to get X card advantage)

Nope.

Pay X to draw X cards is a blue effect

"Card advantage" isn't blue.

Returning cards from the graveyard to your hand isn't blue

X effects aren't blue.

Nothing about this card is blue

You're wrong

Jump off a bridge.

>>49239139
>Random, ungarunteed effect that hits only creatures
>somehow a precedent to paying XX for X cards of your choice from graveyard
No

>>49239147
I said it wasn't related to the discussion dipshit.

>>49239157
But it's not wrong, why are you so vehement in defending WotC's love of gargling green's cock every set?

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>>49239170
>Returning cards from the graveyard to your hand isn't blue
I can't hear you over the sound of you being utterly wrong on this one.

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>>49239152
We DCI now.

>>49239172
>I said it wasn't related to the discussion dipshit.

>ONLY BLACK AND BLUE GET PAY X GET X CARD ADVANTAGE
>No, this white card gets it too
>OMG THAT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT, CARDS ON BATTLEFIELD AREN'T IN HAND

That's what we call moving the goalpost again

>>49239172
Look, I'm just using your argument against you. Since the discussion centers purely around getting cards in hand, then the comparison is adequate.

Or you can admit that it isn't just about getting cards in hand and that the card isn't blue in the slightest.

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>>49239137

>Green shouldn't have "Pay X for card advantage"

You what mate?

>>49239187
I assume what he meant is that returning any card, no matter its type, is not blue. The card recurring colour pie is something like:

White: Creatures (usually cheap and/or weak), Artifacts, Enchantments.
Red: Instants, Sorceries, Artifacts
Blue: instants, Sorceries
Black: Creatures
Green: All

>>49239071
>>49239097
Seriously, fuck off. This was resolved and I apologized for being stupid and absent minded an hour ago.
There's no sense in dredging up an old argument outside of being completely pathetic.

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>X is reserved to specific colors
all my keks

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>>49239137

>Green shouldn't have "Pay X for card advantage"

U wot m8?

>>49239187

An effect not being blue doesn't mean that blue can't do it you massive mongoloid.

Or do you think that me saying that card advantage isn't blue means that I don't think blue has any effects that generate card advantage?

Returning cards from the yard to your hand is not and has never been an exclusively blue effect, in fact it is far more common in green and black.

The fact that blue can sometimes do it doesn't make it a blue effect.

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I remember a similar argument over Kiora's Dismissal, saying it was breaking the color pie because it bounced enchantments.

Even though bouncing permanents is clearly fine.

They latch onto one aspect and don't let go.

All this discussion made me think again about what is happening in design process. They are mixing all mechanics in all colors like throwing them into a blender.

New thread:
>>49239226
New thread:
>>49239226
New thread:
>>49239226

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>>49239236
oh boy that guy again. Must have heard this every single set.

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HOLY SHIT WAS IS WIZARDS THINKING

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>>49239265
I'm the protector of the color pie. Maro is my advisor and everything will be fine.

>>49239196
The X costing is blue, because costing X is what some of the most fexlible and best card draw cards do. Blue is the colour of the best card advantage
>Blue Sun's Zenith
>Braingeyser
>Breakthrough
>Invoke the Firemind
>Mind Spring
>Read the Runes
>Sphinx's Revelation
>Stroke of Genius

Those were all from a quick gatherer search.

>>49239206
Same as here>>49239172
>Random conditional effect
>somehow justifies selective, unconditional effect

>>49239223
>Each player
Not card advantage, read your own cards.

>>49239283
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME NOW
THAT IS NOT FUCKING CARD ADVANTAGE.
READ YOU DAMN CARD
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE MORE CARDS IN HAND AFTER A NOSTALIGIC DREAMS THAN BEFORE IT

>>49239225
And the fact that this card gives you X card advantage for X doesn't mean that X for X isn't blue anymore.
The card is using a blue mechanic. Thanks for agreeing with me on that.
>The fact that green can sometimes do it doesn't make it a green effect.