Kaladesh Discussion Thread

>>49219795

Chandra, ToD in as top-end UR burn?

Yay or nay?

>>49219795
I love this set, the Modules are personal favourite.

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Kaladesh is meme-y shit with forced EV.

>>49219829
I'd give it the go ahead. Assuming turn 4 play, your options are:
1) +1 and burn one with any of a dozen possible spells of their critter so that she survives
2) -3 to toast the big threat they have and she still survives

After that, you can continue +1ing for either card advantage or free mana.

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>>49219825
Its all good man, its real, just like this.

>>49219841
>EV
I understood everything you said except this.

>>49219863
The faces in both pics bother me. They just look off, especially Nissa's.

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>>49219863
And this

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>>49219875

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>>49219885

This set seems to have a LOT more eternal playable cards than the previous few. The non-intro pack walkers seem pretty strong, and more artifact support is never a bad thing. That being said, this whole energy mechanic is underwhelming. It seems like a pain in the ass to keep track of, to be completely honest, and vehicles seem stupidly broken in limited, particularly if there is a dragon fodder, or some such cheap token generation. I really like that new nissa and the gearhulks though, they seem playable right out of the box.

>>49219875
Yay for hugs!

>>49219885
Why does she have the hairline of a man in his mid 40s? Without that paint on her forehead she would like a creepy clown.

>>49219873
In art, we use the expression "less is more" for a reason, way too much face detail.

>>49219907
Living in Ravnica will do that to a Zendikari.

>>49219864

Expected Value. Meaning that the a lot of the Mythics are format breaking and will be over $50 straight out of the gate. This is to compensate for the lacklustre rares and a barely supported mechanics like Energy.

>>49219885
I like to think that the only reason art of Nissa has AEther displayed on it, is because she's the only one who can see it.

I mean, if she can see the flow of mana in Leylines, Kaladesh must look like a Van Gogh painting to her.

>>49219885

Are we still pretending she wasnt planewalking hitler?

>>49219950
Explain this. I'm new here.

>>49219940
All elves can see it on Kaladesh as well.

Can we skip this and just get to amonkhet?

>>49219956
Nissa Revane wields green magic to muster her people and amplify their might. But recently she has begun using black mana covertly, believing it a necessary means to move the elves toward their rightful place.

The sternly beautiful Nissa Revane is a proud and ruthless nature-mage. She seeks to prove that her people, the elves, are the true heirs and best stewards of the planes of the Multiverse. Nissa prefers deeds to words, though, and she has become a master summoner of her elvish allies so their blades and arrows can do the talking.

Nissa hails from Zendikar, where her own race fights for survival against an increasingly savage ecosystem. The elves of Zendikar span many of its continents, and Nissa leads a large tribe known as the Joraga. Weakness is a luxury no one can afford on this fierce plane, and as a result Nissa despises weakness in others.

Her planar travels have taken her to other places where elves thrive or even rule, such as the sunny world of Lorwyn. There she met elves who fully embraced their role as the pinnacle of nature, using both life magic and its shadow to assert their primacy. This encounter led Nissa to experiment with black mana on her own terms, in secret, using it to complement her own elvish teachings.

And Nissa will need all the magic at her disposal to protect her elves. Zendikar is growing stranger and more hostile to its inhabitants. Nissa's quest for elvish domination of the plane will be set aside as she and her tribe fight harder and harder simply to survive in Zendikar's violent terrain.

>>49219967
I'd prefer it if we skip amonkhet as well while we're at it.

>>49219925
But the problem is...they aren't.

According to SCG (the leading source in how to stab someone's wallet), pack Chandra is $60, Seheeli and Nissa are $25, and everything else spoilered (including several other mythics) are less than $7.

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>>49219795
Love the setting. Kaladesh as a plane is a total hit.

Cards are fun if not very practical, lots of EDH stuff as I expected. Good thing I play Commander. Still, there are lots of niceties both for Modern and Standard which I play too.

Powerlevel is around Shadows over Innistrad set, but lower than Eldritch Moon I'd say. I can already tell Aether Revolt's gonna be quite pushed though.

Character design is cool, but I don't care much about the characters themselves other than Delpala, Pia and Dovin. It's all about what the characters make for me, the artifacts that is.

The mechanics are cool. Energy is my favorite since it catters to my style of deck, high variance and synergistic. Vehicles are fun but they won't hace much of an impact in the meta unless some seriously potent ones are released. Otherwise, they are too much of an investment.

Fabricate is ok for a +1/+1 counters mechanic, easy to learn for noobs, most likely crazy in draft.

>>49220009
Looks like Ajani was in a catfight.

>>49219863
Fuck, they look so pissed.

I pity the fool who has to stand guard over them.

>>49220009
Where is this from?

>>49220009
>liliana will never be a sexy bitch again
>nissa is an objectively inferior garruk
>ajani is objectively better than giddeon

>>49220009
I like the idea that Chandra and Tezzeret have just dueled in an arena here, and then...
>SUPRISE MOTHERFUCKER
Suddenly everyone knows about planeswalking.

>>49219987

Wait for the first modern tournament after KLD. I didn't mean they're breaking limited or standard, modern is getting a lot of good cards to a lot of tier 1 decks.

>>49220050
Probably leaked promotional art from the motherboard.

>>49220064
Are we taking fluff or cards? Because fluffwise, Liliana is still a sexy bitch (emphasis on bitch), Nissa and Garruk are different ends of the respect nature spectrum (respect nature please vs respect nature or it'll mess you us). I also consider the characters of Ajani and Gideon too different in personality to be compared.

>>49220075
But the specific comment was for the being released "straight out of the gate" at $50, which I just don't see being true for anything that's not Chandra atm.

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>>49220064
>liliana will never be a sexy bitch again
See pic related and Liliana, the Last Hope.

>>49220112

Oh, that's true. I'm a dumbfuck.

>>49220118
>>49220112
I understand canonically liliana's character, doesn't mean they didn't neuter that shit as much as possible.

>>49220009
>female artist
>lots of effort on the males
>minimal effort on the females

>>49220118
Liliana a cute!

Cute!

So is there a reason to play taigobot in standard or is it safe to wait to buy one until its price tanks?

>>49219978
She was like that. Waging war against Lovecraftian monsters tends to make you trust other races a bit more

>>49220009
Could that be Amonkhet?

>>49219885
NISSA IS CUTE

CUTE

>>49219893
>no love for dragon cocksleeve cyborg

;-;

>>49219893
>Tezzeret is black
tezzerator confirmed for best black walker?

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>>49220118
>I'll keep watch, happy now?
Fuck that triggers me. This is what Liliana's supposed to be like, some weird hybrid between Elvira and a sexy dominatrix. In the latest arc, she's totally unremarkable and her art is extremely bland, and somehow more unrealistic than her other art.

>>49220249

It's time to just accept that Lili is being made a good guy and is consigned to a future as the edgy member of the NotAvengers

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>return things
>fill your hand
>EoT discard until delirium

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>>49220245
That's not Koth

>>49219817

Well, the focus of the set Kaladesh isn't about Kaladesh per-se, it's about The Inventor's Fair, which is a bright and happy event in the setting itself

>>49220009
>tfw no Garruk to complete the Planeswalker Linebackers

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>>49220118
>>49220155
Indeed

Why does Gideon have such predominant black features like his big lips and nose?

>>49220318
He's greek lebanse now

>>49220283
But anon, why? This is like retconning Elesh Norn into a planeswalker, only to have her awkwardly flirt with Chandra about all the cats in her warm lap. And call Giddeon "Gids" or "Beefslab" or whatever. I guess I'm just mad that the lore turned into unreadable garbage, and now it's leaking into flavor text, so I can't just ignore it.

>>49220324
I understand but such features aren't common among those people.

>>49220283

>Elf Hitler and multiplanar terrorist mindfucker are now lesbians on the Justice League

This is bad writing on another level

>>49220197
Shut the FUCK up, Maro.

>>49220366
cant all be thragtusk

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I get the feeling the art direction of this set was designed in order to appeal to and attract female players.

This isn't a complaint, it's a welcome sight after more Zendikar and more grim dark Innistrad.

>>49220380
>Poowalk

>>49220380

Im hoping for a megazord to crew

>>49220388
That's actually half-decent. I would tota-
>can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less
>not can only be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less
It's shit.

>>49220291
>koth
Hes not even black, get your shit together.

>>49220398
Are you fucking serious? At common? That's going straight in like 5 decks.

>>49220386
What do you guys think of this card?

Looks pretty good to me

>>49220369
>Giving the canonical reason
>Am Maro for some reason
Whatever

>>49220388
>crew 5

Do they need to be teenagers?

With attitude?

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>>49220404
>not even black

Is this bait?

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>>49219978
That sounds far more interesting than "generic nature-mage who can see ley-lines".

>>49220406
Bad Elvish Visionary. The life is irrelevant.

New Nissa into Chandra, Flamecaller is ridiculous. Limitless lines of play that become intense blowouts whenever you have multiple of either in hand.

For example, Chandra -4 into Regrow into Chandra -1 to hit every creature in Standard. Or Nissa +1 while at five lands to force Chandra out.

Just imagine clearing the board, and then swinging for 11+ the turn after. With a second Nissa that's 16 damage, or 17 with a second Chandra, with Nissa ready to regrow into whatever you just sacrificed.

>>49220400
>6 mana 10/7
>can't be chump blocked
>will most likely be killing an opponent's midrange creature every combat
>it's shit

/tg/ really is bad at magic, but feel free to keep passing them to me in draft.

>>49220405
>black used to spend life for card advantage, blue used to get it from mana, green from creatures, red would trade and white would tutor
>now black just gets cards, green just gets cards, white just gets cards, red still trades for them, and blue doesnt get cards
What a wild ride

Why don't Nissa and Chandra just planeswalk out of prison?

>>49220420
Maybe he'll be black in return to new phyrexia but hes a red planeswalker, and daretti is already the best red walker.

>>49220400

You are saying this in the set with fabricate in it?

>>49220406
Great in limited.

>>49220433
>spend 6 mana
>tap 5 power worth of creatures
>still doesn't have haste
No anon, it's shit. Justifying a garbage card on draft playability is like saying Derevi is the best card in magic, when it's only playable in commander, but worse, because it wont be used in a single constructed deck.

>>49220421

I would rather the planeswalkers stay as complete assholes and divided rather than them pretend that they weren't while chilling at The Jace Crib

>>49220460
There is a 2 power pilot that gives an artifact it crews haste for 1R

>>49220460
Constructed magic is a roshambo garbagefest. Limited and cube are the only formats worth playing.

>>49220440

Remember who we are talking about. They are literally the least clever among the walkers

>>49220469
Yup, and I'm sure you'll get a playset of them in a draft.

>>49220470
>this opinion
While I generally like limited and cube, commander is a fine format as well. Standard and Modern are pure cancer.

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>>49220418
Nah. Just build yourself a servitor real quick and let that fag drive the Sky Skiff that drives the Fleetwheel Cruiser that drives the Stomper to do your shopping or whatever, while you continue to make cool artifacts or some shit.

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>>49220474
You meant to say
>Black magic has always had the ability to limit the planeswalkers ability to penetrate the barrier that separates one plane from another. Its not out of the realm of possibility for bolas to teach tezzeret how to do this after he failed twice, both times to planeswalkers.

>>49220469
>>49220460
Wait, why would these need haste?

Artifacts aren't affected by summoning sickness, and it turning into an artifact creature (which isn't being played) would sidestep that, right?

>>49220501
No, it wouldn't. The same reason animated lands don't either.

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>>49220496
We TTGL now.

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>>49220498
Woah

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>>49220498
>am i playing against dredge let me board in silver bullet x
>am i playing against storm let me board in silver bullet y
>am i playing against bogles let me board in silver bullet z

>>49220486
You only need 2-3 for it to be noticeable in limited, and if youre really going to go hard on vehicles you only need one of them before turn 5

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Do we have to have every member of the Gatewatch in EVERY set? I'd be okay if it changed from Chandra/Liliana on Kaladesh to Gideon/Nissa on Egyptplane or fuck any variation of it. Just so long as we don't have to have all five hamfisted into the story and pushing other characters out of the way.

>>49220496

why do all that stupid shit when you can just play Lupine Prototype

>>49220522
>>49220523
>the exact same second
Nice job nigga

>>49220531
because greatness

>>49220501
Once its a creature it gets summoning sickness, thats just a fact that creatures cannot tap the first turn they enter your battlefield unless they have haste. There is no difference between an artifact turning into a creature and you reanimating a creature. Hell if act of treason didnt give the creature haste you wouldnt even be able to attack with the creature you stole because it would gain summoning sickness once it hits your battlefield.

Man, spoiler season is in full swing and despite all the cards being pretty fucking cool so far, I just can't jump in the discussions because half of it is /pol/ or /co/ style boogey manning.

Whatever. I'm gonna build the world's worst vehicle themed EDH deck. Thank fuck magiccards.info is back.

Oh and other jank master EDH people, crew is one of the few decent enablers for Macar, Gold Cursed EDH.

>>49220496
>not saving the servo to man the sky skiff on defense while the dwarf drives the car
Its like youre a fag, and your shits all retarded.

>>49220531
>Ludevic: "MUAHAHA! They said I could never teach a wolfbot to drive!"
>Wolfbot: *panicked robotic howling*
>Ludevic: "No Wolfbot! NOOOOOOOOO!"
>The Stomper with the Wolfbot in it plunges over a cliff.

>>49220498
I don't get people who call Rock Paper Scissors that. It seems pretentious.

But yeah, they meant that.

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>>49220557
I occasionally hear it here in the land of the free.

>>49220498
Get fucked your dirty quebecois scum

>>49220406
Cute as fuck. I'll run it in an artifact deck, but without other synergies, it is pretty pointless.

>>49220566
See
>>49220557
And get educated.

>>49220563
Then the same God damn clip of the car exploding happens.

We never said he could drive well.

>>49220563
>>49220531

I didnt even think about wolfbot for crewing. Time to plan lupine crew artifact deck.

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>>49220496

>>49220406
Pretty good actually. Cards like this actually slot into a lot of decks pretty easily. Its no Kitchen Finks and no Solemn Simulacrum, but its a pretty decent halfway point

>>49220443
He meant race retard.

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>>49220562
>>49220604
Tell me this is retarded. I DARE YOU! This is what cool shit looks like!

>>49220596
Because __!FUN!__

>>49220616
It actually captures the worst parts of both.

>>49220616
Hey, given that Solemn is a green creature that happens to be in an artifact block, what color is the fox thing, really? White? Black?

>>49220628
I love it.

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>>49220619
It was a ruse, I implied race in my first post and tezzeret was not the first black planeswalker. His original card was monoblue lmao

So whats the reason for double nissa and chandras?

>>49220654
Metal Gear style vehicle when?

We not going to get Tezz until the next set are we? I was so hyped for him and then >Nissalol

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>>49220604
Okay, current research has shown that this might also work.

>>49220596

gonna try this with stonybrook Schoolmaster or something for kitchen table

>>49220665
They are the retard newbie versions of the real card and they'll both rotate out simultaneously. It keeps standard consistent while also allowing the intropacks to have planeswalkers. It would be very odd to have a jace introwalker when hes not even in the current story arc.

>>49220665
Planeswalker decks, the replacement for intro packs. They are cards only for the noobs themed around Gatewatch. Featuring aggressively mediocre walkers.

>>49220665
The shitty two are just intro pack rares that you will never pull in a booster. They're playable in Standard and Modern as if they were in the set, but they're absolute garbage, so don't count on seeing them.

>>49220284
This card is dogshit

MORE SPOILERS WHEN

>>49220700
It is an instant, so like a weird Altar's Reap, you use it when shit is gonna die anyway.

But yeah, not costed from constructed, especially since there are no real good Wraths.

>>49220701
8am at Seattle

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And last but not least the pairing that is probably actually playable.

reposting my shitbrew because I'd like some feedback and I like attention

U/W ULTIMATES

4 Nissa, Vital Force
4 Gideon Ally of Zendikar

3 Ishkanah, Grafwidow
4 Sylvan Advocate
4 Lambholt Pacifist

4 Oath of Gideon
4 Oath of Nissa
2 Vessel of Nascency
4 Declaration in Stone
2 Stasis Snare

4 Canopy Vista
4 Fortified Village
4 Evolving Wilds
1 Westvale Abbey
8 Forest
4 Plains

I might make the Pacifists into Selfless Spirits since I'm gonna go ahead and assume I'm weak to being Kozilek's Returned a million times. Also some instants wouldn't hurt just to help turn on Spider

Am I the only one hoping combo decks become a thing again? Panharmonicon and Ghirapur Orrery seem like they could enable some insane nonsense, and the 3 Modules combo together with each other nicely.

>>49220671
The gearhulks are going to have to be good enough. The sky sovereign is mythic so there isnt any more room for cool vehicles. Its going to be like innistrad again, clues needed more cards from eldrich moon and didnt get them because meld took their place.

>>49220730
*G/W

>>49220711
Altar's reap wasn't really ever great in limited, it was mediocre to good out of sideboards at best.

Like, maybe some retarded spirit deck will play it for le ebin value against control or something, but then they're just losing. Plus they have better options anyway.


WHERE IS MY FUCKING COUNTERSPELL SPOILER MARO, YOU FUCK

>>49220727

>be a wolf chilling in Innistrad forests
>things are going bonkers all around
>give no fucks, I'm a wolf
>suddenly a mad motherfucker captures me alive
>sews me onto some bullshit machine thing
>am now half robot
>chill in the laboratory
>some fat neckbeard with a graphic t-shirt breaks into the laboratory, makes a mental note of everything (including me)
>bitches about how the mad motherfucker is nowhere to be seen then disappears in a puff of body odor
>keep chilling in the laboratory
>suddenly feel an otherworldly pull
>be transported onto a different plane
>fat neckbeard I've seen before fighting another fat neckbeard
>my fat neckbeard wants me to fight the other one but because he's not hellbent enough on getting me to fight I have no respect for him and stand without doing anything
>fat neckbeard smiles a smug grin
>twiddles his hands
>a fucking walker mecha with a thousand guns appears next to me
>fatso gives me a knowing wink
>at this moment I understand my calling
>this is what I was born to do, this is why I am here
>hop into the mecha
>10000 wolfpower of guns and engines
>I am Wolf, Driver of Vehicles

>>49220789
You got it fuckboi, its even U costed just like you "people" asked. I'm sick of blue posters always shitposting when we're trying to get real feedback from fansites.

>>49220794
Fabulous.

>>49220794

best thing is, you can cast prey upon on lupine and have him punch shit from the cockpit

I'm getting nervous that there won't be a red artifact removal spell guys

>>49220789
Magus Chariot
3
Artifact - Vehicle
UU Tap : Counter target spell whose value is X
Crew X
0/1

>>49220804
Please explain to me, what about my post was shitposting?

Exactly nothing, you dumb fucking faggot.

>>49220927
It would have to be worded "Counter target spell with converted mana cost equal to the power of creatures crewing Magus Chariot" but since there's no link between a vehicle and its crew I don't think even that would work

>>49220951
>>49220927
you guys are too perfectly simulating how scared Wizards is of just printing reasonable counter magic

>>49219829
If Burn hits 4 lands it's not having a great day.

>>49220930
You want a counterspell and you got one, who cares if it can only counter colorless spells. If cancel gets printed people always complain "its too expensive to cast" and then it doesnt see constructed play because of memes. Just look at convolute and turn aside, nobody is playing those because toxic community members like you just tear down every counterspell that gets printed. Hell if counterspell were announced in a few hours you'd probably flip your shit and wonder why it costs UU. Are you surprised that green is powercreeping while blue keeps getting worse and worse every expansion?

>>49220400
jesus tg is bad at magic. Only being able to be blocked by power 3 or greater makes it better, not worse.

>>49220981
Chandra definitely has a place in UR Visions burn though

>>49220951
Yeah, the wording is a bit wonky. I thought about making the P/T X/X but I don't know how that would work out.

Flavorwise, it would be a shambling hut (think Moving Castle), and the crew would be young magesmiths practicing countermagic. Maybe have the roof pierced by a spell gone awry.

>>49220981

The only good burn strategy right now is Thermo-Thing with Fevered Visions and that deck really doesn't mind going a BIT later.

>>49220983
What the fuck is your actual malfunction? Are you retarded? What the fuck are you even talking about? A counterspell that only counters colorless things is no where near what people need when they ask for reasonable counterspells in standard.

Jesus christ what even is this post

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>>49220245
Tezzeret always shows up in weird lighting. He doesn't seem to be black, he's more like mixed race since he looks like a different race every other time he shows up.

>>49220983
Now THIS is what I call shitposting.

>>49219863

>this is the face of people playing a slot machine

I hope the deck where Lupine Prototype drives a load of vehicles ends up being called The Wolf Of Shitting Street

>>49221051
So are the swamps of the plane just going to be the designated shitting streets?

>>49221051
>not Designated Driver

pls

>>49221051
>>49221070
Fuck I hope someone pilots that deck to some success in a PT and a few GPs so I can chuckle

>>49220009
>>49220211
It seems way more likely that this is Amonkhet artwork. They still need to print Dovin Baan and possibly Liliana. Fitting Jace, Gideon, and Ajani into Aether Revolt doesn't seem likely.

>>49221021
Ok how do you think its fair that in a limited environment that we could ever print a counterspell that targets creatures or multiple card types when an upgraded version of snapcaster mage just got printed. Do you know how upset somebody would be if you cast your gearhulk in response to theirs and their hulk died because you played a counter already? All the new players will stop playing and kill revenue. You're almost as bad as the people who want an instant speed red spell that does 2 damage or more. You just need to accept that that is in our past and the future is a much more fair and balanced game.

>>49221094
Honestly the blue Gearhulk might actually make Void Shatter playable if you can mill it into your graveyard

GIVE ME THE NEW TEZZERET ALREADY

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>>49221049
i can relate

>>49221111
If your casting any counter off a Gearhulk, it will be Confirm Suspicions

>>49221121
In Aether Revolt :^))

>>49221094
Am I being baited? I can't tell

A simple counterspell wouldn't be fair in a format full of shit like resurrecting 3 Prized Amalgams while simultaneously wrathing the board or turn 7 Mindlsavering your opponent and getting a 13/13 Flying Trample?

>>49221111
You can think bigger than that anon. Try playing the void shatter first, then come back for it with the taigobot.

I really hope wolfbot into vehicles will be a playable standard deck

If it is, this will be the first time in years I play standard

>>49221158
He's being ironic to make fun of WotC, but it might as well be your regular /tg/ poster expressing his >educated
opinion.

>>49220951
You're right, Crew doesn't really leave any value.
The worst it could do is


Magus Chariot
3
Artifact - Vehicle
As long as Magic Chariot is a creature, it has :
"Tap a creature, T : counter target spell with CCM equal to the creature's power"
Crew 1
0/3

>2 Nissas
>2 Chandra

Wiiiiizzzzzaaaaaaaaaaards

>>49221158
Those players got to play those cards fairly and as written, blue counters interrupt the game for players of all colors. Red cant pump after you declare blockers, ruining their strategy. Green cant slam their fatties and slow roll. White removal is useless if blue can just say no and dont get me started on black because its just more of the same. Blue should be able to do these things at a much fairer pace and that shows in our design decisions. If you want to counter on turn 4+ thats fine, you can even counter those 3 prized amalgams or that mindslaver but ruining peoples core strategy just to gain advantage isn't fun for anyone, even the pilot of the blue deck.

>>49221172
Pretty decent bait then I suppose. I was nibbling there for a second

>>49221164
Honestly standard has been pretty decent for the past few seasons. There are some sweet decks and even the dreaded Bant is a really fun and skill intensive deck to pilot

>>49221192
What's "the creature"?
There's no link between the creature used to crew a vehicle and it

>>49219863
lesbian_angrysex.jpg

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thanks PC bros for shoving your fucking diversity down our throats
yeah yeah we get a wheelchairbound planes'walk'er and a lesbian and a token black and all that other garbage and we're all shitting it up on the curry plane with no public sanitation thank you very much

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>>49221206
>bait

>>49221204
Jesus Christ this is some good bait. If I wasn't here to call you out you'd be getting a lot of people with this

>>49221215
Who cares

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>>49220865
holy fuck how awesome

>>49221215
>lesbian
>lifecrafter
hmm

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>>49221206
You bit pretty hard bud. Every time I referred to Wotc, I used we. Wotc would never be caught posting on a shithole like this.

>>49221232
Honestly I didn't even catch any of that part

>>49221215
>shoving your fucking diversity down our throats

Your throat must be huge if they can shove something down it by quietly tucking it away in a flavor article.

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>>49221215
There's a 4 way civil war going on in Syria right now and you're complaining about imaginary lesbian pseudo-Indians.

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>>49221215
>Getting triggered by what made up people do with other made up people in their made up personal lives

>>49221215
>lesbian
>is forced to make mechanical life instead of real life
You cannot make this shit up

>>49221215
>lesbians doesn't exist on some random curryplane in a fucking multiverse of magic stuffs
>fukk pc tublr shit >:(((
yeah, whatever you say

>>49221255

What?

Someone is complaining about something that doesn't matter?

ON 4CHAN?!

HOW UTTERLY HORRIBLE! NEVER BEFORE HAS SUCH A TRAGEDY BEEN WITNESSED BY HUMAN EYES

>>49221215
What you really should be complaining about is the arm/shoulder/torso proportions on that art.

>>49221255
Yeah but Magic lore is relevant to me plus I actually like Magic.

>>49221255
Fallacy of relative privation

>>49221210
The tapped creature as part of the activation cost. Could have worded that better, but yo uget the meaning.

>>49221255
And as you're smugly posting that little snippet some poor girl is being raped in the streets of syria while you act more enlightened that some simple 4channer is too selfish to care about this plight, instead of going there yourself and fighting in the streets for what we all should think is right.

>>49221158
A turn 7 Mindslaver is an issue for you? As in, "A"? As in singular? That's your complaint?

Storytime I'm stealing from a friend of mine:
>Sits down with kid when Scars was standard
>kid's first time playing MTG at FNM
>Super excited, put together a decent deck
>Proceed to do U/W shit until infinite Mindslaver.
>Ruin the kid's day.
>Don't see him for a couple of weeks

Kid still kept playing...eventually. My friend is still a dick.

>>49221343
And as you're smugly posting this holier than thou retort some poor girl is being raped in the streets of syria while you act more enlightened that some simple 4channer is too selfish to care about this plight, instead of going there yourself and fighting in the streets for what we all should think is right.

>>49219795
Is there any Kaladesh artifact cuter than Filigree Fox?

>>49221323
>implying lore is even a privation problem in the first place

Fallacy fallacy.

>>49221356
Jokes on you anon, I'm a Syrian rapist. Swiggity swooty

>>49221309
You got me to look at the picture again.

Now I can't unsee.

>>49221351
Well I didn't mean an actual Mindslaver of course. The 13/13 near unkillable body on Emrakul is a pretty big problem after being Mindslavered

>>49221373
what are you playing? I'm on white with either deck I play, so I just throw Stasis Snares are it all day.

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holy shit

>>49221389
Sultai Emerge. Even if YOU play Stasis Snare, that card isn't something that's super widely played. Nothing in the current meta actually uses that card.

>>49221411
TOP
KEK

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turns out that green energy artifact was part of a cycle

>>49221411
Damnit.

I like that.

>>49221411

edh lifegain got a new tool

>>49219795
The set looks amazing, i love the setting with its whole invention culture, I love how Maro got btfo with his anti tech bias, i love all the brown people; I love vehicles (THAT SKYSHIP) the only thing I wont love is the standard white weenies deck I have been building for four months becoming useless post rotataion with me never even getting the chance to play it.

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>>49221411
>pillowfort in edh matters

>>49219795
Energy counters are going to be awesome.

>>49221411
C O N T R O L F I N I S H E R


But for real though what the actual fuck is this

>>49221411
Soul Sisters finally has a decent wincon.

>>49221430
Wew, hot fresh trash.

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Aaaand red gets burn

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>>49220388
His bff.

If it wasn't so castly I'd throw him in as a one of in affinity as a closer.

But then I'd be playing Affinity wrong. I have the prototypes in Affinity, as they have ridiculous advantage.

I still think this card is great.

>>49221411

dropping a watertower on something is one of the most destructive forces in the multiverse

>>49221411
That is so much overkill, it's hilarious. I'm giggling like an idiot.

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and a big Pia

>>49221432
>summary dismissal
I'd like if my opponents played this

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>>49221461
>one damage
>ONE DAMAGE

>>49221461
>only 1
>not even 2 damage
>not even 2 to a creature
>only 1
It hurts.

>>49221411
Casual players are going to love this. Also some johnnies are going to be building janky storm decks with it. Looks really cool to me.

>>49221476
would you a Pia?

>>49221461

Is this supposed to be some kind of fucking joke?

Seriously.

Is MaRo actually just fucking with us at this point?

This can't be fucking real.

>>49221411
>Sometimes
>Somewhere
>Someone is going to target a creature with that

>>49221411

Oloro is pleased.

>>49221462
>Can't attack or defend unless a player has no cards in hand
>a player

It just dawned on me, the controller of lupine prototype doesn't have to empty his hand to allow prototype to attack/defend you just need to empty the opponent's hand instead. Man I'm stupid.

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>>49221461
can the sac ability not even just be 2 damage?

>>49221481

5 mana 2 damage! With fabricate, and vehicle ball lightning, its still playable, just not that good

>>49221494
Did you actually look at any of the rest of the cycle?

>>49221411
What the fucking fuck is this bullshit!?
I can't wait to play this set.

>>49221461
>1 damage for 2
Thats pretty fair there arent any colors involved
>1 damage for 2r
Who in the fuck decided this was ok even if its repeatable, aether grid let you tap 2 dudes at eot for a ping, this bullshit combined with the huge lifetotals for creatures this set means that is trash.

>>49221411
Oh my kek.

>>49221492
Tezzeret calm the hell down, you have a job to do. The fair doesn´t judge itself you know?

>>49221415
If it's a particular issue (it being Emrakul), have you considered Oath of Liliana for your sideboard? Or possibly Summary Dismissal?

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>>49221497

>>49221536
>Sometimes
>Somewhere
>Someone is going to target a creature with that

>>49221518
Oh one last thing
>its ok for you to spend 4R for 2 damage in standard
I would rather recur an instant or sorcery than waste a recursion spell on this fucking mess.

>>49221497

>opponent casts storm herd
>someone with an infinite lifegain deck proceeds to fire at each of them

>>49221461

>ONE DAMAGE

LMAO! Burncucks BTFO'ed

>>49219841
meme-y?

>>49221550
I think you mean
>its ok for you to spend 4R for 2 damage AND a +1/+1 counter on your Bloodbriar
bet you feel pretty silly now

>>49221552
>Reservoir doesn't even break after you pay 50 life

>>49221536
I would much rather throw pariah on him and use madcap experiment, I dont need to gain life and it will do about the same damage, all for 6 mana on one turn, 3 the turn before.

>>49221411
Sacrifice Children of Korlis: You gain life equal to the life you've lost this turn. (Damage causes loss of life.)

>>49219875
Seriously why the hell is Chandra so white?

>>49221411

Storm alternative wincon? lol...

>>49221534
Emrakul is Emrakul man. I can beat Emrakul decks just fine. And sometimes I get killed. It's not like this insurmountable threat but it's still really fucking good. It's something in the format that's powerful but it's not like I'm furious that it exists.

What you're replying to is me responding to a bait post about why decent countermagic is fair. I'm not making some kind of "Emrakul is too good, pls ban" post.

>>49221573
she's a fucking ginge

>>49221563
Na, fuck you anon. I would much rather have no board presence and do 2(two) 2! whole damage to anything I want, I can ping you for 1 and then ping your creature. I bet you cant do that with your precious creature.

>>49220249
Seriously? She spent the entire story so far pushing Chandra to the dark side like some sexy sidious.

>>49221516

Yes.

I see that, apparently, MaRo considers "Draw a card" to be equally as powerful of an effect as "Deal 1 damage"

>inb4 "B-but you lose 1 life"

>>49221411

can you pay 50 life to shoot the opponent if you are under 50 life and draw the match?

>>49220417
I think you're maroon cause you think the canonical reason is a good one

>>49221601
No, you die first.

>>49220009
>Episode II.gifpeg

>>49221411
Honestly, THIS should be a mythic. Not the actually good cards.

>>49221604
>maroon
Thanks auto-correct

>>49221507
Yeah bro, I honestly think it's such an underrated card. I'm glad I got a set of these when they were pennies.

There's already been the maths simulating the percentage of Lupine going hellbent. By turn two it was 60-79 IIRC, but by turn 4 it's over 90%. Literally a land, opal, this guy, and ornithopters/memnites and you've just played magic.

>>49221601
You cant draw, only win or lose. You'll pay the life, the ability goes on the stack, the stack attempts to cleanup, then sees youre dead and you lose

>>49221601
no.you have to have at least 50 life to pay 50 life and even then you die with the ability on the stack

>>49220386
What about females makes them inherently more likely to buy stuff with metals wirls

>>49221601
you can't pay more life than you have. if you're at exactly 50 life you lose before the ability resolves.

>>49221411
Now we just need a way to convert energy counters into life gain
There's that robot that can get 5 power and lifelink, I suppose

>>49221573
Because Wizards are pretending that mixed race children can be white.

>>49221636
Its a cute fox. My neighbor and girlfriend were gushing over this card and my girlfriend doesn't even play magic. Its just a cute fox, that's the entire appeal.

>>49221502
Oloro is banned in every non-retarded league that actually cares about fun.

>>49220486
How the hell do you even play commander?

Like fuck I spent three months on a standard deck and now ill never get to use it because roataion will butcher it becasue where am I going to play standard when fnm is all draft?

You see my lgs event calendar?

What the fuck am I suppsoed to do with this?

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/[email protected]&ctz=America/New_York

They do standard like once a month

>>49221681
Glad to see standard is dying.

>>49220009
How was a catperson like Ajani be regarded on a plane with no leonin?

>>49221411
Cheese this with Platinum Angel.

>>49221695
same as he was on Bant

>>49221695
Some lifecrafter's experiment/furry lion husbando fetish.

>>49220628
shop a servo in there

I love the idea that kaldesh si just full of them floating around like r2d2 mixed with the probe droids from Star Wars

>>49221690
Don't mean to break it to you like this my man but you do realize that if Standard dies then this game itself is pretty much over right? Like you do realize that the revenue that Standard pulls in is what keeps this game afloat right?

>>49221712
I wanted to, but thought we had no pictures of servos. Do we?

>>49221411
STORM

>>49220440
>>49220474
>>49220483

This is fucking Kaladesh dude.

Baan probably invented Anti-walkinite by the time eh hit second grade.

>>49221629
>Literally a land, opal, this guy, and ornithopters/memnites and you've just played magic.

I would not replace anything in Affinity with him.
The thing is, he does not do what your other creatures do. He is not free, like Ornithopter or Memnite. He is not able to spread power, like Signal Pest, Steel Overseer, Arcbound Ravager or Master of Etherium. He is not evasive and does not gain you life like Vault Skirge. He can't guarantee damage like Etched Champion.

He's just a big dumb creature and Affinity has much better ways of getting big dumb creatures.

>>49221731
there are some on the Animation and Decoction Modules.

>>49221690
yeah who the hell has enough money for standard these days

>>49221598
I'm trying to picture Liliana as Palpatine whispering in Chandra's ear to tempt her into the Dark Side.


>>49221697
You can't pay life you don't have

>>49221411
>This in Soul Sisters

Im already scared, and im a burn player.

>>49221720
Fuck this game in its current state. It's expensive and insulting on so many levels. I'm just here to watch the train crash.

>>49221743
But with Platinum Angel you can't lose.

>>49221411

winning this set's prize for "most likely to be banned in Commander"

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>>49221731
Beep boop motherfucker

>>49221734
TELL ME ABOUT BAAN

WHY DOES HE WALK THE PLANES

>>49221764
Test of Endurance isn't

>>49221760
Just like you can't cast something that costs more mana than you have, you can't pay more life than what you curretly have.
Of course, you can run Plat Angel, have exactly 50 life, topple the reservoir and live to tell the tale, but you could also have 51 life and do the same.

>>49221720
Youre actually a tardo, the shareholder meeting said mtgo pulled in 52% of the revenue. Paper magic is dead and everyone is playing modern.

>>49221786
Either that thing or Oloro is about to get the axe.

>>49221786

Fair enough

>>49221786
I doubt it'll be banned but to be fair Test of Endurance activates on your upkeep but the Reservoir can be used at instant speed

>>49221411
>Storm
>Cast 2 Gitaxian probes, 2 Mana Morphose, 1 Serum Visions, 1 Pyromancers Ascension.
>Gain 20 life at the end of it.

>>49221672
How does one cute fox mean the whoel set is dfesigned for women?

>>49220338
>I'm just mad that the lore turned into unreadable garbage
The lore was always unreadable garbage.

>>49221741
Its the least expensive constructed format with support!

And thats terrible.

I though edh was supposed to the format where you take all the thousands of cards you have lying around and build something workable out of it like some bizarre giga draft but NOPE.GIFPEG

>>49221518
this, oh so this.
2 comes into play deal a damage, it's not great but it's colorless and pretty comparable with getting a 1/1.
But costing 3 mana for the activated. It's not even like they enforced a 'the activated must be 3cc' for the entire cycle. If it was 1r it would be a mediocre card that you might fit in as 20+ card in limited. Exactly like the other parts of the cycle.
2r, It's a fucking F.

>>49221838
But it was a kind of unreadable garbage that didn't offend me!

But now it does!

>>49221845
It should have at least generated energy when sacced. Why the fuck did they make the others generate energy but totally forgot about this one.

Its not even useful for delirium generation, its just fucking garbage. Even for limited.

>>49221819
How well does the Reservoir work with Replicate?

Also could you incorporate the Reservoir into a Hellbent-Wolfbot-Storm deck?

>>49221664
They can, especially if they're redheads.

Source: myself.

>>49221844
It is the most expensive format to play for a longer time. With the quicker rotation, you have to buy new decks even more quickly. You just end up throwing a lot of money away that way.

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>>49221411
hmmm

>>49221753
>>49221797
okay here's how it goes

>They kill standard because retards like you beg for it
>no longer any format that sells packs or new sets because only a few of the cards from each set go into modern/legacy
>they try to fix that by increasing the power creep of each set so that each set is relevant and people actually buy it because it actually shakes modern, the current most popular format up
>so instead of the power of each set staying fairly consistent with only two or three cards affecting modern and up, a good portion of the set does
>game becomes more and more broken and terrible is this continues
>game is eventually completely destroyed and is in a state that isn't even recognizable anymore
>game dies

Sound familiar? This is exactly what happened to Yugioh. Yugioh had no standard and that format has essentially always been Modern/Legacy from the get go, and now that game has crashed and burned.

Stop being retards. Standard is necessary for the game's survival

>>49221859
>Why the fuck did they make the others generate energy but totally forgot about this one.

2 out of the 5 generate energy. Please use your brain, or find a replacement.

>>49221411
Ok, i did some cheap math. You can storm off with this with only nine spells as long as you have 6 or more life. If you get this off a ritual it's not impossible to pull it off on turn 4, and since you need less spells maybe you can put in some of the interactions that storm always would have liked.

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>>49221411
i want one
i want four
i'm going to find a way to activate four of them at once
i'm going to do it

>>49221884
Okay playing a weird, janky Stormbent deck with this, Reservoir and Wolfbot in as part of Conspiracy should be fun.

'Why is Wolfbot in there anon.' I here you ask, well...I had to make a Reservoir Dogs joke somehow.

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>>49221712
>>49221767
Oh sweet. Thank you! Here you go.
The servo in the shoop is way to big. But I only have the other cards in the resolution mythicspoiler provides. So the only option would have been to make the servo so small it would practically only be a dark mess of a few pixels.

>>49221889
Crashed and burned? Arent there more yugioh cards in rotation that us currency?

In fact YGO WAS THE #1 card game on earth until mtg pushed past in in the 2009 boom.

I havent gotten any news or datta of ygo sales flagging

>>49221932
Jesus fuck. 5/4 that dodges removal on command.

If you get lots of energy its even more fucking annoying to deal with.

Good good.

>>49221924
roatate it so its in the cockpit

>>49221932
would build around in limited / 10

>>49221943
It's what I was expecting but it's just not very exciting compared to what blue and white got.

>>49221889
Nothing you've said has addressed WHY it's happening. You know, the blatant abuse of the mythic rare slot causing the format's price to speak out of control, the pandering to minorities making the majority feel uncomfortable, the terrible writing. You know, THOSE things.

>>49221735
>I would not replace anything in Affinity with him.
That's your prerogative man, but no offense, math has proven you wrong. There were tens of millions of matches simulated around this guy, and how often his hellbent triggers, and the win percentage. And it's high. Extremely high, and very early on in the game.

It statistically gets out before Master of Etherium, or Etched Champion. And even if you wait that extra turn to bring them out, the Champ is fine with pro-colours, but the Master won't be THAT much more powerful by the time Lupine goes hellbent.

I've replaced him with the 3-drops for the sake of speed, and it mathematically works.

>>49221932
Literally no reason to be a Hydra : the card

>>49221889
Or maybe just make all the new sets have really good limited environments. Lots of mtg players don't mind buying packs just for that anyway.

>>49221943
And we've found something that comboes with the Reservoir people, use it on your own Tree of Perdition that you just activated to get 20 more life to charge the Reservoir.

>>49221982
+1/+1 counters.

>>49221943
Boring but practical
Will end games easily
Is menace the new fear or is it the must-be-blocked-by-2 keyword?

>>49221932
>>49221943
These creatures are waaaay too good. Easiest two for ones ever.

>>49222001
Hydras are meant to double counters.

>>49222007
blocked by 2

>>49221940
if you haven't seen Yugioh lately, I guarantee you it's something you do not want to play. Anyone trying to defend that game as alive and kicking is just in a state of denial. It's fucking ruined and people are switching over to magic because they actually know how to control their power creep, and if you think standard is expensive, you have no idea what it means to play an expensive card game like Yugioh. Every set is more powerful than the last and everything is constantly being replaced, and to stay relevant you spend just as much if not more to stay relevant in the game.

That game is fucking done, and the only players left are actual autistic kids who like the bright colorful anime art.

I agree that something should be done to make standard cheaper and more accessible, but if you kill standard, this game is fucking finished

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>>49221924
It is. The skyskiff is rotated about 130°, so the cockpit is at the bottom.
At least that's what I think is the cockpit.

>>49221932
>You can activate the Module Engine with this.
Yee!

>>49222016
Not necessarily, no.

>>49222016
No they aren't, only Kalonian Hydra and Primordial Hydra double counters.

>>49221026
Tezzeret seems to be some sort of mix between different mediterranean people. Of course, in his original appearance he just looked like your average European pothead so who knows.

>>49220118
>>49220313
Holy shit, that's perfection right there. Those are some perfect waifu genes, 10/10 would mind sculpt.

>>49221932
IT'S JUST IN

GREEN CREATURES ARE GOOD

>>49222008
Oh wait it's a 4/3. I thought it was a 5/4. nevermind, it's fine then.

>>49221975
Here's the thing, the math might show that he's "active" early enough, but what I'm saying is that even once he is active, I do not think he's good enough to replace anything. He puts power all in one place that can be easily mitigated. Master being individually bigger doesn't matter as much as Master making the entire rest of your team bigger.

>>49222028
The entire blue thing is the cockpit, that thing isn't as huge as you make it out to be.

>>49222044
it is a 5/4 if you spend its own energy on it

>>49222023
Thanks fampai

>>49221943
I guessed the effect but I didnt get the menace.
>>49222007
Both.

Does Doubling season double up your energy.

>>49221965
>abuse of the mythic rare slot causing the prices to spike

You are correct on that front. Standard needs to be more accessible of a format.

>the pandering to minorities making the majority feel uncomfortable, the terrible writing

>card game
>good writing ever
the pandering is annoying but it's nothing near as bad as you autismos from /pol/ are making it out to be. Just take it easy and stop being so easy to upset. It's honestly not even that big a deal