MTG Modern General

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Tiers are Usage Based etc.

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What is the most definitive list for titanshift so far?

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What spicy memes can /tg/ come up with for her ult?

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>>49139559
I got your meme right here.

>>49140050
>tfw I can unironically not wait to test her in modern

Sh-She's just like Nahiri, right?
R-right?

>>49140352
Nahiri is only good because she has a +2

>>49139559
She's bad dude.

Enemy fastlands in Kaladesh, you heard it here first.

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Just double checking for my bant spirits list

I hit two of these with CoCo, I tap 4 creatures?

>>49140797
Yes, that's basically how the Scapeshift + Valakut combo works, except that Valakut doesn't trigger of itself entering the battlefield.

Question: I have read the rules about prizing, and they are extremely vague, but it seems like anything can be offered so long as they give out fnm promos.

My question is if packs are given as prizes, are they required to be sealed? i have heard conflicting reports on this, wanted clarification.

Example:
Event: standard, sanctioned
Prize: everyone buys a pack of latest set, owner takes and mixes them up, then opens them at the end of the night. (this is done to ensure people don't drop when they open big money, and stop them from being butthurt about having to give it away).
1st pick takes foil lili or whatever good was opened.

Event sealed/draft, sanctioned.
Prize: set amount of sealed packs based on standings.

Thought i read somewhere that prize packs have to be sealed, but unsure.

Probably just a shit store owner being a shit store owner.

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A question arises: Inventors' Fair or Sea Gate Wreckage?

>>49141181

In what deck? I like Fair in Lantern Control more. 1 life is really important and it fetches bridges/shredders/lanterns

>>49141206
A lot of Affinity lists have been using a 1x Wreckage in case the deck stalls lategame. Being able to guarantee a Plating would be pretty nice, and it works better if you get flooded, but being able to repeat Wreckage is pretty nice.

>>49141237
This will not be played in Affinity

>>49141206
It seems playable in Lantern Control but definitely not Affinity, I can't see Affinity regularly getting enough mana to make use of Fair's ability.

>>49141181

I like Fair more, because I tend towards slow grindy control decks and the lifegain plus tutoring is pretty great. Still, why not run both?

>>49140352
Well, the +1 is underwhelming but it does filter, like Nahiri's.

Her -2 is fucken awesome though (and the reason why she may see play), it puts a lot of pressure in the opponent, like Nahiri.

Her ulti is also auto-win if you can deckbuild even half decently. Like Nahiri too.

But yeah, she's not Nahiri. Mainly because she belongs in an aggro shell that can make the most of her +1 ticking away at the opponent while filtering out lands.

>>49139559

I really like Swaheeli, but she seems really lacking. There might be a new archtype that will come out after the full spoiler for Kaladesh comes out that will take advantage of her, but its very unlikely. Her +1 is underwhelming and you only play her for -2, which is more or less just a one shot at worst.

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>>49139370
Talking about Titans, here's a legendary one.

Upsides:
>5 mana
>Flies
>Over curve in terms of P/T
>Dodges some removal

Downsides:
>Needs to be crewed
>Vulnerable to artifact hate

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>>49141728
I'm just going to go ahead and post all the spoilers because we only get new shit each few months and its a breath of fresh air to discuss the spoilers away from spoiler thread shitposting.

They said 'badcascade' when they saw this creature, but the ability triggering once each turn, even your opponent's really gives you a lot of card advantage imho. Modern playable?, Doubt it, but looks to me like a EDH staple.

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>>49141807
Works great with fetches and any sacrifice strategy. A bit of a "win more" card but it has a very strong ability and is costed rather aggressively.

>>49141837
Pls make a spoiler thread. These are not even close to modern playable

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>>49141837
Black legend, infamous on arrival for introducing the Aetherborn type. EDH meat if I've seen any. I for one I'm just glad we don't get 'spoopy evil necromancy' again.

>>49141889
Stop

>>49141854
That's not a valid affirmation until we actually see them in action.

>>49141899
Fucking make me gaybo.

>>49141920
If you're not retarded it is. Learn to evaluate cards

>>49141942
You mean evaluate them like when /tg/ said Nahiri is shit?

You can suck it m8.

>>49141967
Nahiri IS shit in standard, and anons did meme about cheating Blightstell or Emrakul into play.

However, nobody actually believed that ulting Nahiri could be an actual wincon in modern, and the deck has been losing a ton of steam lately.
That's literally something that you only realize when you put enough testing into a deck. Pretty sure the people who came up with it weren't really sure on how well she'd do as well, but quickly realized the potential.

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>>49141889
Double lord for 3 with a strong ability and is a 3/3 too.

I'm amazed this isn't a mythic.

>>49139559
-2 make a copy of my black lotus

>>49139559
all i can come up with is a janky door to nothingness combo

will we be seeing a lot of brown women in the next two blocks?

>>49141295
I think it will. It'll take testing to see if it's better than Wreckage, but it will definitely see play while that testing is being done.

>>49142025
... And that's why spoilers are always worth discussing even if they may appear subpar at first glance. You never know when you'll hit gold.

>>49142036
>>49141807
>>49139559


ENEMY
FASTLANDS
CONFIRMED

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>>49142036
The big deal with this guy is that his ability works with tokens. That makes it potentially very effective at generating energy.

>>49142079
Holy shit, I wasn't aware that they never finished the cycle.
>this is actually plausible
lmao

>>49142076
I agree, we can discuss spoilers that have modern potential, but we don't need to talk about EDH-bait, and draft garbage.
Don't post the entire fucking spoiler in the thread, but rather post a select few cards and explain what applications they might have in modern.

Put some effort in your post and stop spamming.

Post your reaction if MM3 uses Landfall as a major mechanic and has Zendikar fetches at Rare.

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>>49142109
Talking about energy generators, this one is rather efficient, specially in a format with fetches.

Sure, the token creation is ver pricey and whatever, but I think the point of it isn't that it can create tokens, but how efficient energy on Landfall can be.

Depending on what kind of stuff you can do with that energy this might be the new Tireless Tracker.

>>49142186
Oh my God. Fucking kill yourself

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>modern chat
>all people talk about is Kaladesh spoilers

>>49142121
That's what I did. Rares and Mythics and that's it.

Now give me your blasted opinion. Because, unlike most people, I do give a fuck about what you've got to say about these cards.

>>49141295
You don't really count on ever activating Sea Gate Wreckage. It's just in because the downsides of playing it are inconsequential and it might come in handy 1 out of every 12 games. Inventors' Fair will be largely the same, but it seems like it could be relevant in just a few more games.

Sea Gate just helps you try to get your footing back and stay in the game, Fair promises you a threat. The obvious difference here is that Sea Gate can only help you when you're out of gas, Fair can help you close out the game before it gets to that point.

It'll definitely get tried out and I really think it could go either way.

>>49142200
I wish I could but I got an important test on monday.

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Playing a modern pptq tomorrow, playing Bant Eldrazi, how bad am I going to get railed?

>>49142121
>we can discuss spoilers that have modern potential

Well, the only thing they've spoiled so far that has over 3 toughness is the boat and that's obviously not playable, so it's going to be a while.

>>49142292

Bantdrazi has no inherent weaknesses. If you draw a good hand, you usually just win. Your biggest problems are decks faster than you, so if Infect or Burn get good hands its usually a race.

>>49142234
It's all shitposting, circlejerking and inane banter, spiced with the occasional shitbrew and "Would this poorly designed card I made save Modern?" posts anyways, so imho spoiler discussion is alright for a change.

if you'd rather have the usual I do have an assortment of shitbrews and and fake cards you can look over.

>>49142316
Thanks for the reminder anon, need at least one Chalice for that sideboard, gotta keep the faster decks off of me

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>>49142340
Fair enough, proceed

>>49142387
... You got me, I'm a dirty netdecker who exclusively plays T1 decks and nothing else.

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>>49142302
... This does look Modern playable though.

Its a tiny bit smaller, tougher Ball Lightning that can be repeated just tapping a Goblin Guide. Its arguably easierto cast as long as you aren't playing monored.

>>49142465
No. You're all so fucking awful at magic of hurts

>>49142442
my thoughts on netdeckers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPB-TCYVDdc&ab_channel=DesolatorMagic

>>49142553
I don't actually netdeck at all, I was just tired and wanted an excuse to fuck off to bed.

>>49142483
Good argument there m8.

>>49142483
>>49142623
Not either of you but it's clearly too slow for the type of deck it wants to be in (mentioned goblin guide, burn would rather have another 3 to the face)

>>49142465
>This does look Modern playable though

You need your eyes checked.

>>49141181
This is the best spoiled card so far

>>49141026
Store I go to gives out prizes based on attendance. 1.5 packs or so per player, you get 1 pack no matter your standing, the better your record the more packs you get. You choose from standard legal packs, get them sealed

>>49142465
>taping down 2 damage of attackers to hit in for 5
it's a fucking hill giant with haste for 4

>>49142704
I don't think Burn's going to use it, but considering the first swing doesn't need you to crew it might outvalue Lightning Ball through several turns, even if you gotta crew it later.

It's bretty good by itself, that's for sure. I'm thinking it might have a place in some multicolor burn variants and/or stompy decks. Any deck that would like to run Ball Lightning but doesn't want to pay RRR really.

>>49142465
>four mana for five trample damage
>modern usable

You're in the wrong thread, boyo. We already have Goblin Grenade, Lightning Axe, fucking Ball Lightning even. This card is absolute garbage compared to them.

>>49142824
You miss the part where you get a free swing in though. You know, just the one important part that makes it good.

>>49142887
>Lightning Axe
I get the feeling it's you who should go.

>>49142944
Better than Flame Slash in dredge.

>>49143016
I think what he's passive aggressively trying to point out is that Lightning Axe can only hit creatures.

If it could hit players it would obscene.

itching to start piecing together a new deck. Should i go ub faeries or rug delver?

>>49142072
>brown women
yes and Wizards has confirmed that the 3 letter code for the set after the Egypt one will be CUK.

>>49143961
Temur Delver so you can convert it better when you get sick of it.

>>49144674
One does not simply tire of Delver.

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yay for vehicles, can't wait to play with them in modern 6 years from now when we return to kadalesh and they print one that isn't garbage

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Is RG titanshift good?

I want to make a memey combo deck based around:
>Fertile Ground
>RU or UB man land
>Free from the real
>Banefire
Should I go for a deck that tries to ramp out this combo ASAP or something that controls till I can do it all at once?
Also are there easier ways to make infinite mana?

>>49145074
cool art, shitty card. just the usual "big green guy with +1/+1 counters"

fuck off wotc

>>49145103
How about you try to actually be playable and cut half of those cards for a Utopia Sprawl.

>>49145173
To be fair, it's the biggest they're ever printed for it's cost, so it's far from usual.

This thing is a pure Timmy card, sure, but it's unprecedentedly above curve.

>>49145224
There's a 5 cost 8/8 uncounterable hippo from zen isn't there?

>>49145173
Good lord tg sucks at magic. Jesus

Hay guise I'm playing the cancer eldrazi bant
trouble is that decks I don't really interact with much, even after sideboard, have been pretty auto-lose for me
Notably hate bears and elves. I put in wrath of gods over my three of stubborn denial in the side, but is there a better answer for these decks?
I had considered maybe chalice of the void. The problem is what I really want is pyroclasm, and it's just not available in my colors

>>49145244
6 mana for Terra Stomper.

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>>49142465
Colorless skizzik?

>>49145293
You could try some prison cards maybe.

Ghostly Prison does a good job of stopping wide things, Worship is also a really neat card for the deck.

For boardwipes, I'm a bit low on creativity tonight so the best bet imo (although quite expensive unfortunately) would probably be Engineered Explosives. The best part is that Ancient Stirrings can find it, and I think it goes around Thalia's ability due to Sunburst.

http://www.metamox.com/tag/board-wipes/

This site is pretty neato

>>49145293
Chalice is actually the answer to those decks. They shouldn't even be putting up a fight against you.

>>49145074
>>49145173

Its a fucking 8/8 with trample for 5cc with literally 0 drawbacks and can distribute 4 power across the board. Im not saying its Modern playable but holy shit is WoTC sucking Green's dick way too hard for the past 5 years.

>>49142079

>implying they won't just finish cuckland cycle

>>49145400
ghostly prison is not a bad idea at all, 1 mana less than wrath and slows them down considerably
I do already have 3 engi explosives in there, the problems are that they often have diverse mana costs, even though they are heavy on 1 drops, it often misses the double striking three drops or elf lords respectively. And hatebears can sometimes go indestructible with selfless spirit
I will check out that site seems very useful

>>49145421
Yeah, I was going to avoid the $20 price tag for the chalices on mtgo, but it seems like the chalice is a very good answer. If I can't figure out something cheaper I will bite the bullet on the chalices.
My win % is only a little better than %50 at the moment, so it's hard to justify spending even more on MTGO when the returns on it are very hard fought (and for me, no returns until I get a better win %)

>>49145553
At least you aren't in paper.

>>49145506
I actually found an article today that may have had something to do with that. It's from fully 14 years ago!
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/2621_Blue---The-Ultimate-Color-Hoser-.html
But it brings up some good points for the powers each color gets, and how reprints affect standard (modern didn't exist at that time)
Basically, blue is too good because counterspells can hit anything. Wizards seems to agree, and hasn't reprinted counterspell or any hard counter for 2 in a long long time.

And really, green needs a little extra love because it's powers, other than mana fixing and tarmogoyf which are good, are pumping creatures and big, dumb guys. Both lose to removal really hard, and it's difficult to win with a deck that's just big dumb guys and pump.

inb4 infect and zoo use pump, yes there are ways to make pump good, that doesn't mean its a good color power by itself

I kind of like the gearhulk for spreading the power around, which makes u less vulnerable to spot removal

>>49145614
Did you forget the whole standard we just had last year that was all undercosted big guys?

Yeah sure green dies to Doom Blade but they haven't printed Doom Blade in awhile.

>>49145640
don't play much standard friendo
but from what I do follow about it, hasn't one of the most dominant decks been white weenie with 22 one drops?
feel free to correct me I'm far from a standard expert

>>49145662
That was the most recent standard, which quickly shifted to green dominance of 2-drop 3/3 and 4/5s with instant speed pump+fight spells.

Khans of Tarkir brought a 4-drop 4/5 trample that drained your opponent for 3 on ETB and helped create the Abzan Aggro/Midrange archetype that occupied 40% of the meta.

>>49145662

Ive been going in and out of standard over the past years, and it hasnt been good ever since SOM-INN post-Caw Blade. INN-RTR was was either Delver.dec or some variant of tempo spirits, humans or goodstuff.dec where you blink Thragtusk with Restoration Angel a gorillion times.

Standard now is mostly variants of GW aggro where Collected Company is the best card ever. Even now where Bant spirits and BG Delirium w/Eldritch Evolution is a thing, CoCo is still the lynchpin card. Thing is, Green is just really good.

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>>49145553
Other ideas are Circle of Protections (yes, they're modern legal! no, they aren't too amazing! but they do work!)

Fog effects like Pollen Lullaby could be neat, although I think Prison might be a better.

Try out a few games with a buddy facing those matchups, and see if it does the trick. It's also not half bad vs things like Merfolk, Dredge and Kiki decks

>>49145697

>ever since SOM-INN post cawblade.

Meant to say just SOM-INN, although postban Zen-SOM was also decent

>>49145704
ooo norn's annex is pretty sexy
too bad it basically costs me 4 life in an aggro matchup, and hatebears gladly just pays white where it can and life when it can't

the metamox site got me thinking about terminus, but that's probably a terrible idea
can't keep it in your opening hand, where you'd really like to be able to mull for it. And hits my own creatures
Still a topdeck 1 cost boardwipe is a tantalizing prospect, but in testing it probably just won't do what I am counting on

>>49145697

Theros-KTK was alright I guess since its that last time a legitimate engine-style combo deck was legal and viable with Jeskai Ascendancy.

>>49145726
Norn's Annex and Terminus are terrible.

The options for the deck include Engineered Explosives and Chalice of the Void. Other options are non-competitive.

>>49145790
Indeed.
Other thoughts are maybe ratchet bomb, declaration in stone, but ultimately yeah, chalice and engi explosives are just better versions of what I want todo
Thanks for the help /tg/ im gonna sleep

>tfw I made this thread to ask about a deck and then no one answers me

):<

>>49146049
There is no definitive Titanshift list.

>>49139559
Composite Golem
Nim Deathmantle
Any Artifact that wins you the game with infinite mana. Wolfhunter's Quiver works.

>>49139412
>>49146086
the one with a better recent gp finish?

hard to find a better metric than that

Is green/white eldrazi taxes possible? Would it be as viable as black/white eldraz taxes?

>>49142245
>Fair promises you a threat
The thing is, in games where either land is relevant (UWx and BGx), 2-for-1ing yourself when whatever you tutor up gets answered as easily as everything else is not even remotely as good as overloading the opponent with drawing 2 to their 1 every turn. Ravager and Overseer both suck without a supporting board and especially under Stony Silence, Champion is not a threat without a Plating, especially if you have to leave it back to block Goyf or Kalitas.

>>49146532
Id really just rather GW traditional Hatebears at that point, but its not entirely impossible. You just have better options in BW like targetted discard to really cripple them if were talking about D&T

>>49146228
Wasn't last GP completely stolen by the hotwheels?

>>49146581
yeah, but that titanshift still top 2'd.

>>49139559
She'll just go into UR Tempo lists. -2 to make a Snapcaster, Bolt you.

>>49141807
Has no one else realised that this card is fucking nuts? You try to Cascade, and if you don't immediately, you just draw the card anyway. It makes your entire deck cantrip.

>>49147087

Dies to bolt. Making it a creature was a big downside, though the potential is indeed of the charts

>>49147087
4 is a pretty high cost for a card that doesn't do anything the turn it comes down.

>>49147125
You could say the same about Kalitas. And while sure she dies to Bolt, any time she doesn't immediately get removed, she's going to take over the game. I'd love to see Gut Shot run with her.

>>49147157
Dying to the most played modern card is a pretty big difference. Also kali is only really mainboard in jund, and as a 1/2 of. He's getting played when in top deck mode, when the opponent having removal isn't super likely.

>>49142109
This is actually close to what I've been looking for in Norin, a creature that grows from creatures entering the battlefield and has evasion. It seems slightly below where it needs to be though, if the grow ability was an activated ability or if it was a 2/2 for 3 I would play it in an instant.

>>49141889
I want to make that guy my commander so hard.

>>49147194
But don't you want to draw 2 cards off Remand, Anon?

>>49147157
Kalitas completely takes over the game and demands hard removal. This dies to any removal, only gives you incremental value, and can't realistically stonewall a board.

>>49147157
>I'd love to see Gut Shot run with her.

Wtf does Gut Shot do with her?

>>49147270
If you played her on curve it'd cycle in your opponent's turn while tapped out, and be a pseudo free removal spell at any other time.

>>49147087
>t4
>death's shadow and a nacatl attack
>3 life
>untap, draw
>"yes! rashmi"
>tap all lands, 2/3 on the board, pass
>8/8 shadow and nacatl attack
>"b-block shadow!"
>become immense + battlerage on nacatl
>"g-gut shot", 1 life
>ability triggers, finds serum visions
>"i-i will cast"
>draws, scry to bottom
>ggs

>>49147347
my bad, cant even cast serum visions.
lad, this card is shit, just forget about it

>>49147347
>>49147366
Death's Shadow was shit until people realised it wasn't. I'm literally just thinking Bant control or midrange here, with her as a value engine.

>>49147390
everything is shit until people 'realize' it isn't i.e. there are massive changes to the meta game and existing cards which facilitate it becoming good. When people said death's shadow was shit it was.

>>49147416
Well yeah Bant midrange is currently shit in Modern. Maybe a 4 mana value engine would help.

>>49147390
>Death's Shadow was shit until people realised it wasn't
wrong

as soon as battlerage was printed, death's shadow appeared right on the next pro tour and a couple of months later sam black top8'd a gp with it.

>>49147445
Maybe it would. I hope they release one instead of more lightning rods.

modern in a nutshell

0cmc = godtier
1cmc, no color = amazing
1cmc, 1 color rq'd = great
2cmc no color = great
2cmc 1 and a color = good
2cmc 2 of same color, = kind of good
2cmc 2 different colors, = passable
3cmc no color = passable
3cmc 2 and a color = not that great
3cmc 1 and 2 of same color, = ugh
3cmc 1 and 2 of different color = bad
3cmc no generic and 2 or more color = terrible

litterally every else that isn't a direct wincon = shit tier.

>>49147685
What are
>Liliana of the Veil
>Kitchen Finks
>Lingering Souls

>>49147685
>using less mana for good spells is good

modern players really using next level concepts to break the game. some other formats should really catch on with this idea.

>>49147685
I don't even know if you are joking because I can easily imagine /tg/ being this bad at magic.

>>49147801
name 10 cards 4 or more cmc that aren't better off used as toilet paper

>>49147903
Time warp, part the water veil, walk the aeons, thought knot seer, emrakul, ulamog, mindslaver, Karn, wormcoil, batter skull.

>>49147903
Become immense, scapeshift, ad nauseum, kalitas, siege rhino, half the creatures in bant eldrazi, primeval titan, through the breach, nahiri, gurmag angler

>>49147903
Cryptic, Scapeshift, Ad-Naus, (Primeval) Titans, Wurmcoil, Batterskull, Koth, Pia and Kiran, Kalitas, (Delve cards), Ugin, Karn, TKS, Reality Smasher, Nahiri, (Emrakul), Stormbreath,

>>49147903
Resto Angel, Kiki, CoCo, Chord, Sorin Solem Visitor, Obstinate Baloth, Wilt-Leaf Liege, Damnation/Wrath/Verdict, Slaughter Games, Crumble to Dust.

>>49147903
>>49147985
>>49147994
>>49148092

Wow could this faggot be any more rekt?

>>49148092
>Chord
HAHA

OH WOW

>>49147801
I'm starting to think it's only modern general.

Has the most of posts, but actual value of posts are pretty low.

>>49145697
Psst, one mana dorks are too powerful, but CoCo is ok.

Modern's problem is that you there are no answers to any given threat. Removal only answers creatures, Thoughtseize doesn't answer topdecks. The solution? Counterspells.

>>49148622
Chord has 4+ CMC on the stack unless you're getting arbor elf.

>>49148802
Not only did you name the wrong card, but perhaps we should ask Inquisition of Kozilek what the card's CMC is.

>>49148643
???

Modern general is dead as fuck compared to edhg

>>49142553
Easily the worst mtg channel I've ever stumbled across.

>>49148817
You cast chord for 4+ mana. Same as any 4+ mana spell. It's a spell you spend 4+ mana on that is good.

Any recs or tips for my deck? I am still looking for a spot to put supreme verdict. My meta consist mainly of green decks, jund, kiki chord, abzan, green stompy, rg titanshift, faeries, naya burn, mardu burn, storm, affinity, there are multiples of abzan and jund.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/468847#paper

>>49142880
>Any deck that would like to run Ball Lightning but doesn't want to pay RRR really.
So literally no deck in modern. Idiot

>>49139559
Lightning greaves and blightsteel

>>49149107
>Greaves

Akroma's Memorial does it better.

>>49149052
I'm also thinking about swapping the two vendilions for the timely reinforcements in the side.

>>49139559

Blightsteel, akromas memorial, spellskite

>tfw I want to play an artifact aggro deck akin to 2015 standard's UR Thopters
>The only real viable artifact aggro deck is Affinity

I just fucking want thopter tribals

>>49149352
You do know the next set is literally a thopter plane? Likely no modern playable ones, but you can go play standard.

>>49149352
>instead of playing an interesting synergistic powerhouse I want to play simpleton aggro
Ok

>>49149369
>Instead of wanting to lose, I want to win

Seems fair.

>>49149369
It's not interesting when every ten people are using it.

>>49149369

Its simpler true, but I like the aesthetic of thopters or Kaladesh thopters to be specific

>>49149619
If I wanted to win I'll play Jund.

>>49149650
Interesting is not synonymous with unique

>>49149619
Are you saying random thopter tribal is better than affinity?

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>>49149653
Well, there's always a chance they'll reprint Ornithoper with Kaladesh style artwork.

Why does Nahiri control play so many one-offs wouldn't it be better to have multiples of cards you want.

>>49149802
The 1-offs are usually cards you don't want nor need multiples of (Anger, Clique, sideboard bullets) and generally AV, Serum and Remand go through your deck fast enough to find them.

>>49149802
It's because they're cards you might want to draw, but that you wouldn't want to draw two of. Nahiri lets you throw away cards that don't matter when you draw them and try to draw into one of your relevant ones.

>>49149747

Well I was implying more of the cards in magic origin that made up UR thopters. Cards like Whirler Rogue, Thopter Spy Network, Hangarback walker and Thopter Engineer were all pretty cards and interesting from a flavor/design standpoint.

I usually play decks that win so I play Jund or any of the glass cannon combo decks like Dredge or something linear like Naya Burn, but sometimes I just want to have fun even if I have to sacrifice winning at times (but not go something like 2-5 or something fuck that)

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Not modern playable by any means but

>That art and flavortext

Just fuck my shit up famiglia

>>49149827
>>49149833

How is this: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/468847#paper

I know it's really standard but I would like some remarks on it anyway. I kind of want to play more counterspells particularly remand.

>>49150026
>The creature gets

That just seems awkward. It feels like it should be "That creature gets", from existing templating.

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Will control ever be a good archetype in Modern?

>>49150055
Pretty stock/5, can't imagine what you'd want Leylines for, you're not playing Ad Nauseam and AV powers through discard from BGx. Swap fourth Remand from side to something that gives you game vs Tron, 1 Crumble isn't nearly enough.

Would a control deck ala miracles legends work? Something like snapcasters, vendilions and venser in a nahiri control shell?

>>49150090

>Dredge is too broken, cripple dredge!!!

The Plebbit modern sub should off themselves

>>49139384
humble question: according to the resoult of the recent grand prix, those tiers shouldn't be recalculated?

>>49150211
Tiers are usage based

>>49150211
Don't make stupid posts when you have no fucking idea how the tier system works you stupid faggot.

>>49149014
X and delve spells don't count as do ones that can inherently be cast for less or free since you probably will never cast them for less than 4.

>>49150211
This is where the tiers are from: http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
We can't post a more updated version untill they make one. But yes obviously they will be updated at some time soon.

>>49149364
20-40 cards have been released out of the set.

> I KNOW WHAT ALL OF THE CARDS IN THIS SET ARE GOING TO BE AND THEY ARE ALL SHIT AND WILL NEVER SEE PLAY EVER.

>>49150258
Calm down, dude. No need to get so aggressive

>>49150274
You can discount delve spells because you cast them for less than 4 but by the same logic you must count X spells you cast for 4+.

>>49150026
I feel so sorry for him holy fuck.
Worst part is I can relate.
Being Aetherborn is pain.

>>49150323
see
>>49148817

>>49150315
Actually get a fucking grip on the topic you are trying to comment on or get the fuck out.

I'm not here to explain to a drooling toddler how basic stuff in modern works every time they shit out an uneducated post like that.


You could have just googled "MTG modern tier system", or even checked the VERY FIRST post in the thread, but instead you want everything spoonfed to you.

I want summer to be over already

>>49150344
But you just stated that delve spells don't count, yet IoK counts them. You're entirely inconsistent.

>>49150361
Why are you so angry my friend? He just wanted to know if they should be recalculated, which they actually will since the current one is for July not August.

>>49150361
I wasn't the one that asked the question. There just isn't a need to react to aggressively. Just don't respond. It's not like these threads go so fast that you need the extra replies.

>>49150296
Alrighty, keep hoping for modern thopter aggro tribal. It could totally happen.

That world champs meta is just asking for the 1 Tron guy to go x-0. I mean who still plays BW tokens in 2016?

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>>49150367
How often do you think you will cast this for 7?
What do you expect to reasonably cast it for?

It may say 7, but the goal will never be to cast it for close to the face cmc.

>>49150431
Same for chord. What's the problem?

>>49150431
How often do you think you will cast Chord of Calling for X=0?
Not counting Delve cards is fair, but then you would have to count cards like Chord that will always be cast for 4 or more. How do you not understand that?

>>49150090
>no dredge
Yeah I that deck sure is tier 1.

Are you happy with the state of modern at this moment, what would you change if you had the chance. There are quite a lot of viable decks right now.

>>49150737
>There are quite a lot of viable decks right now.
The number of viable decks is not the metric of a healthy format. Most of those decks are linear and uninteractive.

I'm trying to decide between building Bant Eldrazi or Suicide Zoo for my second modern deck. Whats going to be the better investment? Which is going to be the better deck over time? I think I'm going to have equal amounts of fun with either.

My meta from what I've seen is: 2 Jund, 2 Affinity, 2-3 scapeshift/titanshift, 1 Dredge, 1 Griselshoal, 2-3 Coco decks, 1 Coco elves, and 1 Naya Zoo.

>>49150804
Building a second Modern deck is the start of that same downward spiral we've all been down in porn. When you first start jerking it to porn you're fine with the normal hardcore stuff. Pretty girls fucking pretty girls and guys. But then comes the second deck. And now you're watching bukkake and watersports. Before you know it you're onto your third deck and finding yourself getting hard watching 2girls1cup so you end up going to motherless and searching for scat porn.

You filthy animal.

>>49150851

I for one can only get off by playing U-Tron while choking myself.

>Camera can't focus on Rich Hagon
That's what happens when your stomach is closer to the camera than your fucking face you obnoxious fat shit.

what the fuck did just happen between lsv and saporito right now?

>>49150737
The format is certainly fairing a whole lot better nowadays. Although it's pretty disheartening to see how underrepresented control decks are. Midrange and Aggro decks will always scale up in power over time with Wizard's new design philosophy while Control decks are left to eat dust, pretty much having to rely on power cards from way back when. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm forgetting something, but literally when was the last time Control decks got anything besides Nahiri that's not a sideboard card?

I'm hoping that Wizard does good on their promise to make good red and blue cards in Kaladesh, but everything that's spoiled so far has been a gimmick at best. The new UR planeswalker is trash.

>>49151032
LSV removed a knight ally from play when it was only chumped by a 1/1.

>>49150851
How is building a second Modern deck an analogy to that?

>Interviews with a bunch of tools sucking the dick of anything on screen
Pls stop.

>>49151125
Because you're building decks hoping that THIS one will be everything you want. But it won't be because Modern doesn't work like that.

>>49139559
"Hey Wizards, Blue and Red are really shit right now. Why do you hate Blue and Red? Why do you like sucking midrange's and swinging creature's dicks so much?"

"Chill guys, theres a pendulum swing going on and Blue and Red just so happens to be not as strong. Those two will get their break in Kaladesh!"

>prints a bunch of garbage and stupid memes like vehicles

>>49151140
Not really trying to make a second deck because I was unsatisfied with the first one. It's just something else to play with to mix things up.

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If all the gremlins look as dumb as this guy I wouldn't mind trying to make a deck out of them.

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This is now an Abzan thread.

Jundposters need not apply.

>>49151355
Abzan is actually a lot more fun than Jund desu.

>Living End
absolute madmen

>>49151315
Why the fuck are we posting Kaladesh spoilers like this? It's understandable if a spoiled card looks to have any potential in modern, but this is just a shitty vanilla 4 drop with god-awful stats. Go talk about how WACKY xD he looks on the spoilers thread.

>>49151398
That poster is just an autist, we've told him to stop spamming the thread with draft-garbage and EDH-bait, but he won't listen.

Just ignore and report them desu

>>49151048
Nahiri control is pretty good though, the problem is that it is the only control deck in modern.

>>49151140
I can concur, I have 3 decks right now and still want more.

>>49151393
Living End is secretly genius. So many people are boarding Grafdigger's Cage because of Dredge, Nahiri, and CoCo/Evolution, but Living End handily sidesteps it.

>>49151355
>go x-0 with Tron just by showing up
BGxs will take care of Affinity and Infect and Tron sweeps up whoever's left.

>>49151423
Grixis Control just might be getting its shit together now. Last Hope apparently might be exactly the card they needed.

>>49151472
Grixis control is already pretty filled with essential cards though, what would they remove to fill it with enough last hopes to make a difference.

>>49151140
that is because the decks in modern are boring and mostly unsatisfying.

too bad no one plays legacy.

>>49151423
I'm not saying Nahiri control is bad, I think it's a good deck too. I was just talking about viable control decks are almost non-existent, and about how Midrange and Aggro will almost always get new toys to play with while Wizards says fuck draw-go.

>>49151588
The problem is that everybody says that but nobody goes into legacy.

>>49151355
>Abzan
I think you mean Junk, dummy.

>>49151499
There have been some attempts at lists featuring Last Hope that have changed significantly around her. There's an attempt to use her to grind value and card advantage out of disposable creatures.

>>49151604
Well, let's take a moment to compare the price of Watery Grave to Underground Sea and there might be some reason for why that is.

>>49151472
>>49151499
So what issues does Grixis delver/control/tempo have exactly?

>>49151600
I lost to esper control playing nahiri control yesterday. Teferi fucked my recalls and his endgame was bigger with white suns zenith and meme's revelation. It's a shame that cards like venser aren't good enough. I would love a deck like legends control with karakas.

>>49151604
Yes, these consumers should just walk over to SCG.com and pick up a playset of revised duals.
Don't worry, they're on the reserved list so your investment will be safe. Good goys.

>>49151648
Why do you immediately go to scg, did you never hear of trading or mcm. Besides that most people that have modern decks have a pretty sizable collection and would be able to trade into a legacy deck.

>>49151633
Delver and tempo aren't control decks and control just isn't as good as other decks. It gets outvalued by junk and jund. Amurica control is the better control deck imho.

>>49151648
It's not about being able to buy duals or them being a good 'investment'. If people started to play legacy in masse, duals would just simply run out and that's it.

>>49151793
They should just flood the market with fakes.

>>49151819
Losing credibility would be end of this game.

Well, not like lifeline of paper legacy hasn't been lost already.

>>49151858
I would be more accessible for kitchen table play though. FNM won't have legacy anyway.

>>49151355

>b/w tokens are back

Someone posted a monkey Gro list here the other day did anyone save it? Mine seems to be gone

>>49153457
>monkey Gro
I don't know what this is

>>49154076
RUG Delver feat. Hooting Mandrills

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>That LSV comeback from 1 life

Hot Damn

>>49154117
Better lucky than good.

>>49151355
SHIT FORMAT
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>>49154171
You're sad

>>49154196
Maro, please. How can you look at that meta breakdown and not think it's terrible?

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>>49154196
Desu, I really miss Twin.

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>>49154251

>m...muh draw go, without it the format is shit

>>49153457
I don't have the image but off the top of my head the "classic" list is:

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Hooting Mandrills
1 Snapcaster Mage

4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Thought Scour
1 Curiosity

4 Lightning Bolt
1 Tarfire

4 Disrupting Shoal
3 Stubborn Denial
3 Mana Leak
2 Simic Charm

4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Steam Vents
1 Breeding Pool
1 Stomping Ground
2 Island
1 Forest

The sideboard has Blood Moon, Huntmaster, Ancient Grudge, and other goodies.

>>49154353
>the format is fine being all midrange
>who needs combo, tempo or control
>tapping creatures and top-decking is where it's at

wew lad

>>49154353
Please go back to Hearthstone.

can someone explain wtf oliver just did?

>>49154251
I don't give a shit because I don't play at pro tables and neither do you. Local meta is a ok

>>49154413

>the format is fine being all midrange

It is, midrange is the essence of magic.

>>who needs combo, tempo or control

Combo is a dumb shit "race me or oops I win" and should just stay dead, control is well and alive with Nahiri (autistic control should stay dead). The only thing I'm missing is a good tempo deck.

>>49154469

go back you yugi oh so you can play your combo decks.

>>49154554
>It is, midrange is the essence of magic.
Please go back to Hearthstone.

>>49154554
Actually tempo, ala delver, is the essence of magic

>>49154600

>a deck that combines creatures, disruption and interaction isn't essence of magic

Maybe you should play war instead?

>>49154413
combo and control are for fags so yea

tapping creatures is how you play the game lad

>>49154794
>>49154772
>>49154554
>>49154353

/tg/s Modern community may be worse than the format. Fucking hell. Seriously, play another game.

>>49154835
I don't play modern though, I was just telling >>49154413 he's a fag

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>>49154835
>>49154794
>>49154600
>>49154469

>draw go is a solid deck and the format is shit as it doesn't score well

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Why is this format so fucking static? Even at a store where everyone has the cash to buy the newest memedecks, there hasn't been anything new or interesting since sweet Eldrazi Winter.

>>49155090
>Why is this format so fucking static?
Because like you said, Eldrazi killed it.

Go play an actually fun format.

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just arrived. d-did i miss modern?

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>mfw my burn deck has hardly changed in forever and i havent had to spend money in modern and i still win games

Format was solved during eldrazi winter, let it join tiny leaders in the meme format shitpile

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>>49156163

>Burn player talking about solved formats

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>>49156226

ENEMY
FASTLANDS
CONFIRMED

>>49156337
>>49156226
Didnt meme to quote

>>49156337
>not fetchable = not playable
Why do they even bother?

>>49156473
You're telling me the scars fastlands see no play???

>>49156473

This is some terribly weak bait right here

>>49154251
Half the people are following META, half the people are playing other crap. That's every format.

Oh, and 3 people are playing living end. I think that speaks for itself.

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>>49155090
If you're not gonna lead the change, you can be sure nobody else will.

>>49156337
Winners:
>Burn
>Jeskai
>Infect
>Abzan
>Living End
>Delver

Probably won't use them:
>Jund
>Zoo
>Abzan Company
>Kiki Chord

Overall a great addition to Modern

>>49157217
As a rug delver player, my mana base is so tight I don't actually see myself using these. Maybe the simic one. But then only one.

>>49157300
Perhaps cutting some fetchlands? There's no way you don't want the UR one in particular.

>>49157342
The only red card in the main is bolt and tempo decks generally want their mana perfect and immediately.

Not him though so I could be wrong

>>49156337
>>49157217
Remember, the less life players are spending on their lands, the worse Aggro and Burn get. That's always been one (of the many) strengths of Affinity.

>>49157217
I'm not actually 100% sure how much Infect will use the U/G one, because of Groundswell.

>>49157217
>>49157954
Oh also Become Immense.

>>49157300
If you're playing Mandrills, you're probably better of just staying packed full of Fetches. Same goes for Grixis Delver thanks to Gurmag, Tasigur and Murderous Cut.

>>49156337
wow that picture is shit, cant even tell its kaladesh set symbol

>>49156337
so preorder all the botanical sanctum you can?

>>49158140
Not really. Delve cards make these a lot less desirable than they first appear.

>>49158140
just draft and sell them when they inevitably reach $10+ (more for the t1 decks).
then get them after rotation for 1 buck

Could the new UR fast land help out storm in the meta?

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What kind of shitty memebrew can we get off this?

>>49158598
lands are not storm's problem

>>49158614
So Primetime goes and gets 4 land?

>>49158614
There's not enough of a combo using it to fuel an actual combo deck, so it works best alongside value creatures, but is incapable of providing any value itself. It's the kind of card you'd play in something like Kiki/Abzan Chord/Evolution, except the fact that you'd never play it in those decks.

So basically, it would only be good in decks that don't want it.

>>49157954
>>49157999
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-infect-16996#paper

Groundswell doesn't see that much play these days. Botanical Sanctum is a staple.

>>49158946
Unless they ban Become Immense, there's still a decent reason not to use it.

>>49158946
>Botanical Sanctum is a staple
Owing to the power of Become Immense and how you're already trying to ignore your opponent, I really doubt that.

>>49141181

>Kaladesh has Inventor's Fairs

>despite having never invented the toilet

>>49159253
>Designated shitting Fairs

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>>49141728

INDIA SPACE PROGRAM SIGHTED

SUPERPOWER CONFIRMED

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>Now this is podracing

>>49158967
>ban become immense
How fucking casual can you get?

>>49159632
No one fucking cares. 4 mana for 5 damage? I'll respond by bolting it.

And just like that, you've lost the game

>>49159663
Verbal and nonverbal communication. Symptoms of Autism may include:

>Problems taking steps to start a conversation. Also, people with autism have difficulties continuing a conversation after it has begun.

>Difficulty understanding their listener's perspective. For example, a person with autism may not understand that someone is using humor. They may interpret the communication word for word and fail to catch the implied meaning.

Might want to get yourself checked out before posting again,

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>>49159834
Havent seen someone burned this bad since paul walkers crash

>>49159834
See, I do understand the context. We're in the competitive modern general, not a spoiler thread.

You're the one not understanding the context in which you are posting. That is unplayable in modern. No one here wants to look at this extremely shitty card.

So please take your casual ass and your samefagging to another thread, please.

>>49159834
ahahaha jesus fuck

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>>49159956
>competitive modern
Wew lad
Just because you went 1-3 in the Bumfuck Idaho GP and finished 298th doesnt make you competitive
And FNM is as competitive as the special Olympics
You are the saddest fucking cunt ive ever seen on 4chan, i cringed harder reading your post than people on the mlp boards
Go back to tumblr and make more petitions for safe spaces at lgs's because you feel triggered about ither humans not sharing your obsession with trains

>>49160070
You seem extremely butthurt. I'm sorry that no one likes you pod racer that dies to bolt.

Now take your copious amount of salt and kindly leave the people who actually care about meta gaming alone.

>>49160207
Keep digging that hole buddy, you are going to need a bigger shovel soon

>>49160207
Seriously though anon, just mc kill yourself already

>>49160428
>>49160290
You need to find a better hobby than bumping dead threads.

>>49160451
Then why are you here? I just wanted to get my joke in.

>>49159650
I'm not saying I think it's likely or probably even deserved, but Infect and Zooicide have hit a few too many turn 2/3 kills on camera lately because of it.

>>49157430

I thought that was the point of fastlands

They are dual lands that work from the get go

>>49156337
Big deal, check lands are better and don't rely on luck nearly as much.

>>49158873

That's a fundamental design problem in magic

You create this awesome card with huge synergistic potential but it doesn't do anything without help so you have no room in your deck for it

That's why edh is great because with 100 deck slots and no multiples, you do have room for cards that just synergize

>>49161296
>check lands are better

Not always. See something like Living End or Ad Nauseum's mana base.

>>49159834
Are you trying to say that the podracing shitpost was supposed to be a joke? Because the first point makes zero sense in context to what you're responding to. There is no reason to talk about draft chaff in the modern thread.

>>49150447
>>49150462

He's going to run you in circles to troll you until you give up.

>>49145074
would make a sick combo with hardened scales. not sure if that card is still modern tho.

>>49161576
>$0.02 has been deposited into your account

>>49161608

Wouldn't the 2 cents be withdrawn from his account? Not deposited

since he just gave us his 2 cents

unless the "your" in your post refers to you?

>>49161638
He's implying >>49161576 is a paid shill, for whatever unknowable reason.

>>49161608
Hardened Scales is a good card though in decks that involve lots of +1/+1 counters.

>>49161884
Not really, no.

>>49154383
Why just one snap

>>49162867
The deck is really trying to curve out at two and you won't always have good stuff in the yard because of Delve. Besides, what would you cut?

>>49162867
Not an expert on Monkey gro, but I'm guessing you want to maximalise the number of spells in order to flip your Delvers. You're splashing green to add those big beats, so cutting Goyfs and Mandrills seems counterintuitive, meaning Snappy's got to go. I know some lists run two though, which is probably the better choice.

>>49163004
And obviously Delve counteracts your Flashback.

>>49161296

>Big deal, check lands are better

Say it to bogles.

>still no good white cards

The last good white card printed was Brimaz and even then that card was decent at best.

>>49163655
Selfless spirit is ok

new thread when

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>>49164177
>>49164177

New thread