/awg/ - alternative wargames general

>>49131295
Can I get a sauce on these minis, please?

>>49132393
Not sure, but check Eureka and Copplestone.

>>49132393
their 15mm and either khurasan/bluemoon/GZG, Id check khurasan first (though I didn't spot em in my cursory glance)
>>49128328
Yes. the rules are updated constantly so the printed one is sometimes out of date (though I know DA games used to do trade in on rulebooks at cons)

>>49133533
>>49132393
Found em they are Khurasan. The 15mm Federal Defence Force Exterminator Squad in Extreme Environment Suits

>>49132141
The Open Combat link in the trove still don't real.

>>49132141
What the hell is that fat pikachu coloured thing in the background?

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>>49133614
Thanks, anon.

>>49134969
They appear to be a fat nazi magic space rocket and a thin nazi magic space rocket. Presumably they are camouflaged, somewhere.

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Got the new White Dwarf today, for nostalgia's sake mostly, and the free Bloodexecutioner or whatever the fuck they're called. I'm quite impressed by how sharp the plastics are now.

Christ, the new stuff is simultaneously overwhelming and dull though. Page after page of perfect big plastic kits being pushed around the £200 Citadel™ Realm of Battle® board. No average gamers showing off their average, achievable efforts. Quite boring really, in amongst all the adverts.

>>49136111
As long as we've got the mediafire full of classic WDs who needs the new stuff?

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD

>>49136154

This is true, I have a fair few from that archive but iirc most are the slightly worse American ones rather than the UK main edition.

The new stuff is unreadable too, one guy is building a Beastclaw™ Savage Slaughterwing or something and I literally couldn't guess what it all means.

>>49136111
I miss the days when WD wasn't a catalogue, honestly. I gave up GW a long time ago.
That free mini is tempting though, I've been meaning to get one of GW's newer plastics to see how they are now, this might be a nice opportunity.
that's if I can stand the embarrassment of actually buying one in public

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>shilling
I made a thread about the release of an old relic of an /awg/:
>>49137820

>>49137640
>public

WD used to be in every newsagent, now I think they only sell it in GW stores.

>>49138160
GW™ stores™

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>>49132141

Any love for Guild Ball here?
It's basically Blood Bowl as made by Warmahordes, with a simple ruleset that offers massive depth through alternate activations and resource allocation.
It plays like a reversed Capture-the-Flag, where teams beat the shit out of each other while simultaneously trying to score goals with the ball. Naturally the teams will excel at one and fall behind at the other, so you have 2 games going on at once.

Fluffwise, the Guilds are all massively corrupt organisations that have bought into a classic sport and turned it into a spectacle / political arena.

It's really fucking great and everyone should join in. All the rules are free and a starter set is ~£20. A full team only needs 6 models to be tourney-worthy.

>>49138203
*Warhammer™ stores™

>>49138512
I would glady play BUT
here noone knows about the game or at least distributes. also I need to save up for 2 teams at least so I can set up demos or something.

>>49138512
kinda unrelated but do we know anything about Shadow games? the card game set up in the same universe of GB?

>>49138512
What's better for someone far away from bongland? buy the minis from amazon or from the GB store?

>>49138512
You forgot to mention that it's free and they have print out models and tokens/templates on their website.

>>49138160
wow, really? that's bad.

Anybody who runs demos often got any system agnostic tips?

>>49141365
keep it simple, try and keep it "balanced"

>>49138917
in burgerland try warstore or minaturei market. Or just order with free shipping from bongland.

>>49141365
Have good looking minis and terrain

>>49138512
My city is home to some of the best warmachine and hordes players in Australia, they've taken a liking to Guild Ball and I'd rather punch my own teeth out than have to put up with those guys. It's a nice game and has some great looking models but it's not worth my time if I'm going to have a shit time as I get run over by the autism express.

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are there any games made with 54 mm minis in mind? How about converting a rules set to that scale

>>49144339
If the terrain is equally scaled up, you couldn't fit very much onto a table, so the game would represent a much smaller amount of physical area. I'm having trouble imagining what kind of thing someone would want to play that would take place in such a physically small setting. Bar fight? Pro wrestling royal rumble?

>>49145214
any combat small scale combat, like football sized wars

>>49138512
Got into this like 2 weeks ago and it made my 2 fav game in no time. Great fun game for beer and pretzlez quick brainy and pretty balanced (bar the Obuls shit that needs to be corrected)

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>>49144339
GW's old Inquisitor thing is the only one I can think of.

>>49139871
I used to have 5+ paper shops in my town of ten thousand that sold it, now none of them do.

Wargaming/modelling magazines are still there as always.

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>>49143107
Which city are you talking about and what's wrong with the Warmahordes players there?

>>49146209

I don't mean to paint broad strokes, but here in the UK, the WarmaHordes types are the people who were playing 9 Obliterator Iron Warriors lists a decade ago. Americanised garbage.

>>49136111
>average, achievable efforts

No thanks. Why would you pay to see shitty minis? Just go play with the local primed Tau battlesuits with the weapons lying on the base if you want the average gamer.

>>49146437
>Why would you pay to see shitty minis?
If average means shit to you...

>>49146444
Well what do you find to be average? Most people don't have high standards here.

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>>49146437

You've misunderstood mate. I said average, not "shitty".

White Dwarf used to be chock-full of tutorials that you could actually have a go at, and featured stuff like the Tale of Four Gamers where people at an average or slightly above average level collected an army slowly, like you or I would. That's inspiring. They even told you where to get supplies for terrain from and showed out of production miniatures, hell even non-GW stuff before the millennium.

Now it's exclusively made from official Citadel™ terrain, the models are rarely converted, and it just reads like a fucking catalogue for their technical paints or whatever else they're trying to flog.

>>49146494
Appropriate colors everywhere with at least a wash and/or a highlight. Basically TTQ or TTQ+, mostly depends on how you define it.

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>>49146494

All details picked out, some efforts at highlights/shading, paint not too thick, acceptably based.

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>>49146576
My fellow Rivendell man.

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>>49146596

I wish I'd liked LotR at the time, some of the plastics are brilliant.

>>49144339
The only ones I know of are Historicals.

>>49146624
Lord of the Rings is probably one of GW's better skirmish wargames in terms of rules; the models are great but it's just never shaken off the image of being a cheap film tie in thing despite everything.

>>49146661
War of the Ring is pretty decent too, and it was written by the one and only Matt War

>>49146624
Shame the models have at least doubled in price if they are even sold at all.

>>49146661
Its amazing to me how many people dropped it given it was a legitimately good game in its own right.

>>49146661

Aye, as a 15 year old I couldn't be bothered with the near-yearly "new" editions each time a film came out, and then the Mines of Moria box after it all.

>>49146699
>>49146661
I used to get the miniatures mostly from the fortnightly magazine that came with the odd sprue or metal model. I only really dropped it because most of my local community at the time felt that it wasn't a true GW product, AKA 40K/WFB setting. Ironically, they now refuse to play 40K/WFB due to GW's attitude towards the games.

>>49146875
That was the general gist all around, I felt. People just didn't see it as a 'real' GW game and were constantly surprised to see it keep going.

>>49146891
I see. I never even got to play a game of it; even my local GW didn't support it terrain-wise for gameplay, and at that point I was too young to search for a club or store that did. I probably still have the minis somewhere, but I'd rather spend the time it'd take to find them painting the ones I use now.

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New from Crooked Dice: Paranormal Investigators

>>49146908
>Has a Life on Mars set of miniatures
>No The Sweeney miniatures.

Breaking my heart here, CD.

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>>49146908
I enjoy when companies produce 'definitely-not-from-that-one-film-guv-swear-on-me-mum' models

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>>49146970
That's what Crooked Dice are all about, they have tons of 70's Brit TV stuff like Doctor Who, Blake's 7, The Prisoner etc; and licensed stuff like Danger 5.

>>49146947
You could actually use those Life on Mars minis for Regan and Carter, with a well-done paint job and perhaps a little conversion.

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>>49146999
Eh, you'd need a fair bit of work on them.

I do want to get into 7TV. I had a play of it at last years Salute and I love the kind of shows it's supposed to portray. I also think the ruleset would work fantastically for a tokusatsu style game.

>>49146970
Well, that is rather easy way to generate revenue.
"Some random post-apoc minis? I guess I pass."
"Waitwaitwait. THEY'RE NOT-FALLOUT? HOW CAN I ORDER?"

Gotta have that market recognition.

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>>49146970

Hasslefree Miniatures are also pretty good for this: recently though they've really developed an infatuation with "teh boobies XD" and I can't be arsed with keeping up with releases.

Pretty odd from a husband and wife team, must be good sellers to desperate types.

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>>49147066
>you'd need a fair bit of work on them.

There's a guy in the new Heroes set (on the left here) called "Tough Detective" who is the spit of Regan. For Carter you just need an appropriate-looking guy in a turtleneck!

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>>49147081

Brother Vinni go the whole hog.

>>49138160
This actually.

When i was a child/teenager, i had to take the train to the next town to go to school. There was a newspaper/books store right at the station. I always bought the WD there.

Last year when they announced that there is a Sigmar mini in the WD i went to several newspaper stores and looked (and actually asked in one of them) for the WD, but i couldn't find it. Quite an interesting development. (Remember the discussion last week about the bad future of our hobby? This is another indicator.. I bought my very first WD because its cover looked nice and interesting, not knowing anything about GW at all).

I ended up ordering that issue with the Sigmarine directly at a GW store. (Same with the current one, Hobby Stores really seem to be the only place to get it)

>>49146624
Be glad you didn't liked it back then.

These days you can buy the plastics for next to nothing on ebay. You'll save alot of money.

>>49146908
Is this a wyrd WWII game? Why does the ape have a gun?

>>49147408
No its not, GW is not in newsagents but the wargaming/modelling magazines still are.

GW is not 'the hobby'.

>>49147408
My town's magazine shop - and this is in a remote shithole in New Zealand - carries a copy of WD and Wargames Illustrated every month (although of course they're shipped out and three months behind). Maybe your local shops are just shit.

>>49147622
But GW and their artwork is what young people would buy out of curiosity.

>wargaming/modelling magazines
That stuff doesn't exists in Germany. The closest thing would be scale modeler/railroad magazines. In the age before the internet the White Dwarf was literally the only way you could learn about tabletop wargames in general if you had no GW or "Fantasy/Hobby" store in your town, and these are super rare too.

>>49147408
I think that is partly their own doing. When WD became a weekly leaflet, they seemed to push it to only be released in hobby stores and I think Visions was supposed to become... actually I'm not sure what it was supposed to be.

This move would some way force people into b&m stores on weekly basis and impulse buy new stuff.

>>49147690
Wargaming is dying in Europe. The demographic shift means whites won't be around to play it any more.

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>>49147800
We ran these circles last thread, no need to shit this one up too.

>>49147800
Sure, pollack. It's not muh vidyas fault, they good stuff.

>>49147836
Vidya is helping, but we agreed that wargaming passes mostly from family members. It's viral in how it spreads and the new demographics aren't carriers.

>>49147800
What alot of nonsense even in a hundred years when there are no whites there'll be even more Asian Tau players to keep the hobby afloat and it's not totally unpopular with the Jews themselves.

>>49147851
'We' did not agree anything and that is not even true.

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>>49148154
Go home faggot the Aryan master race are discussing toy soldiers.

>>49147690
Because kids aren't interested in wargaming or fantasy/sci-fi/historical warfare at all unless it's GW, right?

Except not at all. GW is big because it's got the big shop on the high street. That's pretty much it. We've got tons of young children in the various wargaming clubs around our small town and while they all play GW stuff, they also play other games, scales and periods.

>>49147800

>muh race war

Bore off, mate. Bet you're a right laugh down the club.

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>>49148388
Did someone say race war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMW2kJA4um0&ab_channel=LegendaryEmerald

>>49144339
Terragnosis do one.

>>49148365
Seriously?

GW is the gateway drug for lots of wargamers and has always been.
Granted, there are a few children with an natural interest for military and history but that is not the majority. In fact, that is a tiny minority.

Ignoring the fact that there is no wargaming magazine besides the WD in german language a child could buy out of sudden interest, do you really think the cover of a magazine like Wargames Illustrated sparks the interest of a 12 year old as some big orks or space marines?
You can say what you want about the WD, the quality of the cover and the pics inside are very good.

>We've got tons of young children in the various wargaming clubs around our small town

The situation is entirely different here. We have no clubs in every small-ish town or even in schools. It might have changed a bit, but back in the day, before games like Dawn of War (or widespread internet) existed and living outside of one of the bigger cities with a GW or Hobby store you simply had no way to learn about wargaming as a hobby.
When we were like 16, my friends and i had a 2-hour train ride to the next store to actually buy some minis or talk to people about the hobby beside our small group of 3. The fucking train did cost more than a blister too.

I guess its hard to imagine how niche this hobby actually is if you don't live outside of GB.

>>49146390
Original page 5 seemed directly written to attract those people to the game.

>>49148675
There are still like 20 magazines a month published but they all focus on military modeling and trains. They're fun to browse but they lack the games element which is the bit I enjoy. There's only so many Nazis I can see before I get bored.

>>49148806
True, but mags like this only attract a small number of children.
In fact, i bought some scale modeler magazines solely because they had pics and bits of history about tanks inside. I remember them being very expensive though.

>>49146908
Nice jokaero sculpt on the right

>>49148839
You can grab all of them from pirate bay once a month for free any way.

>>49148869
I know. But i was speaking about 20 years ago when i was a child.

>>49146501

There used to be a 4shared archive of the Battle Games in Middle Earth magazine, their guides were all aimed at novice-intermediate people, and the tutorials were along the lines of "Go to the grocers, buy sponges. Now you have hedges!"

>>49146501
>the models are rarely converted

To be fair, in the recent WD (the new, big one) they converted some minis from the Kill team box and explained how and why they did it.
It felt like they really tried to catch the spirit of the old WDs.

I'll certainly download the next issues to see if they stay on that path.

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are there any combat systems for 1/144 gunpla models?
I imagine the only hard part is balancing the beam rifles.

>>49149069
I think Heavy Gear has the same scale robuts

>>49149126
Heavy Gear is 1/144 scale but the mecha in the setting are way smaller than Gundam mobile suits.

>>49147090
>an infatuation with "teh boobies XD"
Kinda, yeah.

OTOH nudes are good as sculpting dollies. I saw one guy doing a range of kobolds recently, he sculpted a naked kobold complete with dick, cast them up, and then started adding clothes and weapons. Having some basic anatomy helps.

Of course, some people just buy naked women because tiny tin tits are their thing.

>>49147851
So basically invite people who aren't straight white old men to play wargames, and it will spread - perhaps slowly at first, but once someone grows up and remembers an old hobby and sees a toy soldier, or has kids and wants something to do, you've got a new dynasty.

More diversity is the key, gotcha.

>>49149069
There are some Gundam tabletop games using 1/144 yes. Google it.

>>49149281
>People who have no interest in the hobby will suddenly like it if you invite them.

Not how it works goy

>>49138512
I've looked at it and it seems cool, but I worry it'll suffer from the same issues I have with Blood Bowl. Reading the rules the game seems more focused on beating the opponent to death than actually scoring goals.

>>49149295
>hobbyists just magically spawn out of Aryan closets and basements

>>49149437
Perhaps if we did better among the other 50.5% of superior white civilization aryan master chiefs we could solve this one

>>49149437
Can't be master race and have been in the closet mate. Milo is not Aryan master race.

>>49149069
There are a few; you can also use Mekton Zeta's combat rules.

>>49146908
>New Ghostbusters
Gross.

Is there any Wrath of Kings news?

>>49146908
I hope tabletop games go the way of comics.

How are the Anvil Industries models quality wise?

I am looking for some generic 28mm sci-fi dudes.

>>49146437
The point is old WD had different tables and scenery and original ideas for themed armies or conversions each month.
Current WD is standard schemes on the regular minis with bought GW scenery.
Old WD made the world come to life in your imagination, new one just pushes GW product on you.

>>49144339
Inquisitor is the obvious answer. That in turn was based on some really old school Wild West games.
The next best thing on the current market I can think of is Arena Rex, which is made for 35mm resin minis. High quality stuff and you only need 2 or 3 minis per side.

The problem with 54mm games is that guns can should over the entire table at all times unless you want to be even more abstract than 28mm already is.
As a rule of thumb people just use cm or half the distances when converting 28 to 15mm, so I'd say just double the distance in any 28mm game and you are good to go.
As I said though the mechanics are probably gonna require you to have a table twice the size or something.

>>49146624
I bought some Haradrim to convert into mooks for a FG warband with a summoner and a vaguely arabian 1001 nights theme.

>>49147494
That only holds true for Goblins. Nearly everything else is either hard to find or sells for almost as much as the regular GW prices in my experience.
You can still get shittons of the old metal models that were packaged with those LotR magazines that were sold when the movies came out there though.

>>49147090
>recently though they've really developed an infatuation with "teh boobies XD"
That's how the company always has been.
As a result his anatomy is waaay better than most other sculptors' though.

>>49148365
>Because kids aren't interested in wargaming or fantasy/sci-fi/historical warfare at all unless it's GW, right?
No. They are not interested at all. Period.

In a time where you got a catch your audiences attention within 3 seconds or you'll be scrolled over, where music is produced to have several hooks to keep people engaged at all, do you really think any 10 year old is gonna spend several hours on building a model and painting, only to get the meager payoff of a shitty first mini? It takes month, if not years to get good at this. It only takes seconds to have a rewarding success moment of some kind on a shitty mobile game.

People these days are wired differently. My parents have a hard time to comprehend the principle behind windows and tabs because they grew up with a different frame of mind. Kids these days never knew a time where they weren't connected to the rest of the world via internet.

Recently saw a young guy buy a voucher for 50€ for the google play store. Think about how much money that is. That is were allowances go these days.

Guess in that sense AoS is not that surprising a move.

>>49151962
Never bought anything but bionic arms from them, but from what I hear their casting quality is supposed to be superb.

for alternate sci-fi dudes check out Khurasan, Copplestone, Heresy and Reapers Chronoscope line.

Puppetswar also sells sci-fi dudes, but they are truescale rather than heroic and from what I hear their casting quality is a bit of a mixed bag sometimes.

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>>49146576

Hey man, where would I purchase one of those trays?

>>49152618
>Muh kids are easily distracted

The reason kids don't play wargames anymore is because for years the entry level game(warhammer) priced the young demographic out of the hobby.

Now this seems obvious and you might expect the rich nerdy kids to still play, after all prices were never so bad people couldn't play at all right? And there were plenty of alternative games for those who wanted them?

No, what really happened is all the little groups, the one in schools and youth clubs were slowly bled to death by a lack of players. It became increasingly difficult to recruit players, teachers found it increasingly hard to justify hobby clubs for hobbies they could barely afford themselves and the increasing values of models pushed them into the category of items unnaceptable in school due to their sheer price and the likelihood of theft. Combined with changing attitudes on how to deal with problem children the hobby was wholey excluded from educational establishments. The results were obvious, the hobby slowly bled to death, here in the UK even where a Games Workshop can be found in every city it's rare to see a handful of young players after school, easily half at most the number of participants in the simple teacher supervised club I attended as a child.

Basically GW killed the hobby by killing off the school wargaming clubs with their price hikes.

>>49153148
>play meme workshop instead of historicals
>get priced out of the hobby
sounds about right

>>49153148
>Basically GW killed the hobby by killing off the school wargaming clubs with their price hikes.
Well. There are plenty of other places in the world where school wargaming clubs are not a thing and never were.

I doubt that has anything to do with the change at large.

>>49153276
Yeah, but the reasons are the same. Diminished presence and entry cost.

>>49147090
The wife is the one pushing it, actually. Kev isn't that keen but they're what pays the bills apparently.

>>49152767
All I know is I love the giant dinosaur.

>>49152767

Uses the same dice system as firestorm armada so it's going to be pretty terrible.

Minis look nice though.

>>49154177
>best irl waifu

>>49146683
It had issues, but I actually liked War of the Ring. Shame it never really picked up.

On the death of wargaming topic, I only got into it as an adult because fuck I could not afford it as a child, which is a shame because kid me would have loved painting tiny pewter men in garish color schemes.

p.s. I'm not white, so I guess I'm the death of this hobby. Sorry guys.

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>>49159989
Its ok. Your white on the inside

>>49152767
It will have only token support after the first 6 months, if that.

Spartan Games, not even once.

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>>49159989
You aren't the death, just the reason it ain't dead yet.

Anybody go to wargame shows in the UK? Any recommendations, is Salute worth it?

>>49159989
Aw, I guess we can enjoy wargaming together while it still lasts. :<

>>49146624
>haradrim warriors

STAY A WHILE AND LISTEN

>>49152445
I got like 100+ rohan, minas thirith, mordor orks and uruk minis from several ebay auctions for less than 50€ like a year ago. Some still in sprues, most unpainted, some primed and some (terribly) painted. Haven't done anything with them yet, but i felt the need to get some back then.

I just checked ebay:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/100-x-Herr-der-Ringe-Figuren-GW-Games-Workshop-aus-Plastik-und-Metall-1992-1999-/262598300882?hash=item3d241414d2:g:2W4AAOSwFV9Xwv4k

(once stripped, the metal minis alone are probably worth the initial bid, stripping the plastics will be harder, but it can be done too)

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Table-top-Figuren-Herr-der-Ringe-uber-140-Stk-Teilw-mit-Heften-/381755690855?hash=item58e2698f67:g:AZ8AAOSwgmJXyFQl

Next lot 140 minis, some sprues but tons of plastic that needs to be stripped, but it might finish around 30€.

Single sprues:
20 Harad warriors
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Games-Workshop-HDR-Der-Herr-der-Ringe-/302055243987?hash=item4653e540d3:g:SuMAAOSwFV9XwxSj

(i might actually bid on that one later)

>>49159989
>I could not afford it as a child, which is a shame because kid me would have loved painting tiny pewter men in garish color schemes.


I painted revell and other companies 1/72 soldiers and tanks instead. way cheaper.
Why didn't you do the same?


> I'm not white, so I guess I'm the death of this hobby.

How many non-whites do you know within the hobby?

>>49132141
Any body have Rogue planet? Been wanting to read it and try it

>>49162231

I'm from the city where Airfix used to be made, it was fucking everywhere and yet had no appeal to me. Still doesn't.

>How many non-whites do you know within the hobby?

I'm sure he'll ask next time he's at the big secret non-white social club.

>>49153148
This is basically what I noticed on the flgs a couple of years ago.

We played a lot of whfb and everytime, the pokemon tcg and mtg kids would spectate if they could, they asked us questions and have fun with us. Their fascination would quickly diminish once they learned that you needed 2 x 20ish € boxes just to have a viable core entry and you would probably need 1 or 2 extra entries of those just to fill your core prerequisite, most of the times we would just lend our armies so they could enjoy it.

I talked to the owner with the idea of adopting 15mm as a possible scale for whfb so that kids could play, but he personally didn't liked the scale, and the other players weren't so keen on investing on a new army that wouldn't get played anywhere else so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>49162450
Thats interesting actually.

I never met a wargamer who didn't had tons of 1/72 "toy-soldiers" as a child.

>>49162462
Its a bit better these days because Mantic (and others) have cheap boxes with useable minis and lots of flgs stock them.

But in the end, this is just like many other hobbies. Kids get fascinated and then realize they can't afford it (at once). But thats only half true, and despite high prices of (some/gw) minis, Wargaming is a pretty cheap hobby.
In fact they probably spend an equal amount of money on their trading card boosters, but only in small steps. Saving money for bigger purchases is something kids often struggle with and proper financial behavier has to be learned.

And thats where the parents come into play. They can help their kids with saving, by mabye doubling the money the kids saves and they can encourage a hobby (by gifting a starter set for birthday or christmas) or they can ignore it.

And to make a full circle to "racewar-anons" theory: brown colored dads who don't know the joy of building/painting airfix/warhammer themselves are very likely not the ones that gift their boys a box of AoS. They will see this as a waste of time and money.

>>49162445
I do, but watermarks...

>>49162462

Shame. If I were a FLGS owner instead of wanting to make money in life, I'd make £30 bundles of cheap-ass Mantic/Reaper Bones/em4 Minis if I found that was the case.

>>49162660

There's a guy on 7ch/tg/ that does watermark removal if you can be arsed

>>49162621
>In fact they probably spend an equal amount of money on their trading card boosters, but only in small steps. Saving money for bigger purchases is something kids often struggle with and proper financial behavier has to be learned.

Very unlikely, they played for fun with very cheap decks that the owner would make with them, they were still untainted by the competitive must-win aspie behaviour.

>>49162687
Cheap multi-manufacturer bundles was how I started, really helped me navigate the hobby price minefield.

>>49136111
>average, achievable efforts.

but your picture isn't that, the army in the picture won a golden demon award, it was the best in the 90s, standards just changed

any love for open combat? looking at it and tempted to get the book.

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>>49162966
Never heard of it. The "quick to play/easy to pick up" aspect sounds nice though?
https://www.secondthunder.com/introducing-open-combat-the-miniature-skirmish-game/

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Has anyone played Fallout:Warfare? I was thinking about getting a few miniatures and having a test run game with my friends

>>49163461

I've read it.

Might as well play This Is Not A Test, honestly.

>>49162695
Might try it, but I'm not that comfortable with sharing watermarked stuff, even for removing the watermark. Plus it wasn't that expensive (5$ as deal of the day, 10$ anyways), so I'd advise you to buy it but read some reviews of it beforehands.

>>49149359

It depends on your faction and team composition. Generally speaking, you'll always need to at least consider fighting for points. However you can play purely ball teams.
The Fishermen are built to play ball and kite your opponent, with almost zero violence beyond tackles or generating momentum.

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>>49160570
Support is already gone.

Do not trust Spartan Games
Do not play Spartan Games
Do not give Spartan Games your money.

>>49149281
Don't know how someone's sexual preferences impact upon a war game.

>>49163716
Because conspiracy theories are fun.

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>>49156462

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Whoa, what the fuck? This was unexpected.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/darumaproductions/sla-industries-cannibal-sector-1

>>49163931
Put £5 towards it for a pdf, might grab a couple of minis because the concept art at least looks neat.

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>>49163931
>>49163982
It's actually a damn good setting for a skirmish! Necromunda in a postapoca mileu, with a generous helping of horror. It's got everything from giant monsters (Stormers, Manchines, Necanthropes and well, cannibal zone monsters), supernatural fuckery (Ebons, Brainwasters, the already mentioned Lovecraftian Necies, and whatever Pennywise shit's managed to claw itself over from the White) and last but not least giant mechs (muhfuggin' Thresher).
And that's not even half of the shit out there in the World of Progress...

My only omplaint about the figs is Halloween Jack needs to be bigger! >:(

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>>49163982
Feeling kinda rich at the moment so I'm chipping in for 50. They need to get the goddamn Chagrin out, it's such a big part of SLA!

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>>49164231
Oh, got shit mixed up: "313" was the standard Stormer and that one's already in the bag. "Chagrin" was one of the expansion Stormers... Though I gotta say it's pretty cool they've decided to include all of those, the Vevaphon, the Xeno, et al.

I'm hoping to see soft companies, carnivorous pigs, the alien shit from the later pdfs (Hominids, Dream entities) in the future. SLA Industries was a RPG with quite a rich and varied dystopian setting.

>>49164114
>It's got everything from giant monsters (Stormers, Manchines, Necanthropes and well, cannibal zone monsters), supernatural fuckery (Ebons, Brainwasters, the already mentioned Lovecraftian Necies, and whatever Pennywise shit's managed to claw itself over from the White) and last but not least giant mechs (muhfuggin' Thresher).


>its got everything

And all of it is going to be generic and bland.

>>49164895
Have you seen the actual minis and setting, or just talking out of your ass?

>>49164914
Term "generic" has already gotten meme-status and pretty much means "it's-not-muh-warhammer-aesthetics".

>>49164914
He's posting on 4chan, what's the reasonable expectation?
>Millenials giving lectures on game released in 1993
>shiggy

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>>49163931
I'd would be quite amazing if they'd work a campaign system into this, which would probably make it a contender that would at least stayed around for while. But I've also got some difficulty seeing how such a system would be implemented, in say "Ops vs CS1 zoology" scenarios?

Alsom Shaktars need to have their old lizard-dog appearance, not that dumb grunt look they've put on the stretch goal list!

>>49163931
"32mm'ish" minis, apparently?

>>49159989
Honestly the death of the hobby people don't hate non whites per say; they are talking about British hobby culture and how it doesn't work well with immigration and having a social welfare state: Immigrants settle near each other so that they can network and cities form an easy point collecting small minorities into groups, welfare allows new immigrants and non english speakers to settle in these cities and these cheap city areas are where the hobby stores are. With out a welfare state immigrants that come if they are not elites would collect in cheaper area to set up communities for the clapper experience refer to the scots-irish in Appalachia and the Germans in the hills of Pennsylvania Though the Italians and Irish didn't so I assume cultural assimilation is a factor. My FLGS is in the basically Korea town in my city, they aren't bad or scare off the customer base but we (neckbeards) and the Koreans don't really mix or associate.

To TL;DR: with the rate of immigration without a cutoff or assimilation or a change of trends British war gaming will suffer collapse to adapt to new distribution systems that will work in the future. A way to think about it would be to think of stores that failed due to white flight and movements of residents to re segregate. To give a similar account in an opposite direction: we can't expect weave stores to survive in an area gentrifying.

>>49166101
What you are describing is bad for stores, but gamers can meet everywhere and you can order minis and everything else you need online (and a nice immigrant will bring it to you for minimum wage)

Granted, its nice to have stores with tables and everything in every town, but other countries don't have that luxury and the hobby isn't dead there.
People need to adapt to the new situation and play at home or drive a bigger distance to one of the remaining bigger stores.

>>49166211
>Granted, its nice to have stores with tables and everything in every town, but other countries don't have that luxury and the hobby isn't dead there.
We don't have any FLGS in about 180km to be seen, but we have a pretty good wargaming club set up in a community house (if it's the correct term) and most of us have a board at home. We're alive and kicking.

>>49166233
Exactly. But i assume this is hard to imagine for people coming from GB with stores all over the country.

>>49166211
I didn't say that war gaming culture would die, it just that it will be set back for years with many of the established stores shutting down and the industry adjusting through the change by games dying until a new normal appears. Also The people whose store does die are less likely to purchase miniatures or spread the hobby than active members.

Don't bring up labor and immigration to the topic, because that won't end well: I grew up in SoCal and many white teens didn't get jobs and were pushed into being elites/intellectuals because unskilled labor was being dominated by the Mexicans, this would also in a very indirect manner hurt war-gaming if Mexicans are less interested in wargames due to a lack of discretionary income among the white youth culture. But to actually reflect on my previous sentence wargaming is the least important part of the pussification the native population.

>>49166265
Not really, in the broad scope sort of sense, but it would be a fundamental change in networking so your not wrong.

>>49166441
>your

>>49166441
In germany we have the "Spielerzentrale.de" (playercentral) website were you can register for free and if you enter your postal code and your desired game, it will list you all players for that game around your area.

Obviously not everyone is registered there, but alot of people are and its a handy tool.

>>49166450
For our elucidation all the poo pooing of the "wargaming is dieing" was right we did get a nazi, however his name is grammer.

>>49136111
I enjoyed it actually, there was a whole 2 double pages of fan submitted models as well as a tale of 4 gamers

>>49162231
>Why didn't you do the same?

I didn't know they existed. Not really surprising though since 40k was what child me wanted to play real bad. So I wasn't exactly spending time looking at cool and cheap minis.

>How many non-whites do you know within the hobby?
Not many; where I live, minorities are much more likely to play card games. Hell, the white dudes usually just play board games, I live in a weird area where there's plenty of nerdy hobby shops close by except for minis. So I just rope friends into playing with me.

>>49166593
Grammatik macht Frei!

>>49166673
Give the new issue a try Anon. I'm pretty sure you can find the pdf to give it a quick look. They really put effort into it.

It has a "4 generals" series, a section for letters to the editor, fan/reader painted minis, Golden demon winners, painting tutorials (for the included mini and others) and also a few pics from the WD issue and what minis were new in september 20 years ago

>>49166760
I'm quite literally talking about the new issue. I've bought number one and subscribed for a year cause £60 is what, 2 nights out- and in return I show GW they've made a good call backtracking on a bad call (visions and whatever)

>>49166511
My apologies for the autism but when I hear German and postal anything my mind drift to Thurn and Taxis, does that game make you a social outcast in Germany like it does in the US? It is really a pain in the ass to interest friends into a fine game about the Bavarian postal system and not sound like you have a hidden erection for trains and Legos.

>>49166795
>£60 is what, 2 nights out
I usually go out drinking with 2.5GBP and come home with some change.

>>49166813
Tell your American friends that its a prequel to the Crying of Lot 49.

>>49166813
Thurn und Taxis was actually "Game of the Year 2006" in Germany.

Among board game players its well liked but like many more interesting board games, not exactly something casuals might enjoy or play.

>>49166827
How is the 1950s anyway?

>>49166912
Bretty gud.

>>49166849
>Crying of Lot 49
So I looked that up, and I found something to put on the reading back log. Looks promising, haven't read a work by Pynchon but it seems like it isn't the Talmudic sized monstrosity that is Mason and Dixon.

>>49166795

>won't buy a unit of models at ten for £35 because it's a bloody rip off
>probably spend £40 just going and sitting in the pub and having a meal

Why am I like this

>>49166961
Do you think our chap Enoch has chance at being prime minister? He is looking quite promising.

>>49167007
Best way to drink is the best way to play wargames - buy what you want in a nearby shop, go home and enjoy what you got with a couple of friends. With the added benefit of no shit club music.

>>49167007
> £40

That's a bloody expensive pub meal m8, you in the South or something?

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>>49167087

Hull actually, cheap as fuck here.

I'm meaning like when it's a Sunday and you implant yourself in a nice cozy corner and there's 3 football games on Sky Sports. All adds up.

>>49167176
>and there's 3 football games
Not liking any sports in general really makes my life more affordable.

Do you have a PDF you could share?

>>49167176
Goddamn that looks comfy as fuck, I wish there was a pub culture in Clapperstan.

>>49163694
They make solid and fun games, but yeah they do have some issues with ADD.

Still; there are far worse companies to give your money to.

>>49167221
>Not liking any sports in general really makes my life more affordable.

Not going out for like 15 years too.

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>>49167619
Yeah, but that's standard /tg/ fare. Goes without saying.

>>49166827

So, your admitting to being a 1 pint lightweight who must live in the north at that price?
Good luck not getting stabbed

>>49168013
I've got a mate who gets tipsy after half a pint.

Of course I take the piss out of him as is my duty but I do slightly envy the money he must save.

>>49168013
>implying I live in England
Forgot to add "equivalent of"

>>49144339
They already mentioned Inquisitor. I think the 28mm version is called Inq28. It's just reading inches as cm, as far as I understand.

>>49167176
I'm in Nottingham, really spoilt for choice here- for beer and traditional games

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>>49168224

It's not too far at all, but I am jelly of the Lead Belt in the East Midlands. Hull has actually had a real upturn though, we've got a massive permanent club now, and a new 3-floor FLGS which seems to be doing great, and one of the existing ones moved into larger premises (though is mostly card games).

I want to go to Foundry Miniatures for Bring Out Your Lead one year. Mantic have actually opened to the public too, and apparently new Warhammer World is actually pretty decent.

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>>49168631

stockport here. apart from manchester, has Element games (really nice store/gaming center)
sadly, im too much of a curmudgeon to actually commit and join in. maybe i should just buy xwing and be a casual.

>>49168817

Don't worry mate, apart from a Blood Bowl league last year I barely ever go. I need to get painting really and trying to get people into Song of Blades and Heroes, or Frostgrave if they want to be "trendy". It's ironic, most of this has sprung up since I stopped playing, when I was a teen there was only GW and I was there every Saturday.

I was going to buy the intro box for Xwing, but I really don't fancy paying £15 each for Chinese toy-tier models.

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Here seems as good of a place to ask as any.

Does anyone know where I can get some (preferably cheap) plastic, plain round shields?

I'm basically looking for a replacement for the old-fashioned Warhammer shields you used to be able to get.

>>49169018

Em4 who sell the 20p plastic Orcs and Dwarfs sell big bags. Email him if it shows them as sold out.

>>49169075

http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/Copy_of_Fantasy.html

>>49169099
It's a decent option but I'm not a fan of only being able to get a random mix.

>>49169144

It's 50 shields for a quid, you could spend a fiver and should get plenty of each. I've never bought off the bloke but he's apparently flexible if you email him.

And it would still be cheaper than getting second hand shields, which are rather in-demand when people dig out their old metals but discover none have shields.

>>49168119
This sounds neat! fanks

Has there been any more news about GW specialist games? WHQuest 2.0 is out, but has there been any talk of Necromunda?

>>49168119
>It's just reading inches as cm
Still don't get why people automatically do this. Leave the inches as inches, or even double them, and you get a better-looking game in the same area.

Well, not the same area if you increase the scale, obviously, but Inquisitor in 28mm with original measurements looks better than Inquisitor in 28mm with half measurements or 1"=1cm.

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>>49138125
A lot of the writing makes sense when you consider the authors

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What do people think of All Quiet on the Martian Front? I saw it was written by Cavatore, Priestly and Baker so it can't be all bad can it? I was thinking of trying to pick up a small British force as well as the opposing Martians.

Looking for some rather unknown/old rulebooks, can anyone help me?
-Celtos
-Leviathan
-Chronopia
-Crucible
-Freebooter's Fate

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>>49179776
The developers looking like weird trenchcoat mafia dorks just goes so well into the whole thing, imo. I wouldn't change any of it. There's some venomous dig at GW somewhere in there too iirc?

Apokalypse was just the elemental '90s edge-broth. And a pretty fun game on top of that.

>>49181253
update from the guy that requested this

-celtos
http://docslide.us/download/link/celtos-rulebook
-leviathan
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Leviathan_Rules.pdf
-Chronopia
http://www.chronopiaworld.com/artikel.php?id=5
-Crucible
can't find it
-Freebooter's Fate
can't find it

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>>49179776
> We know that there are a lot of stupid people out there that haven't the brains to think for themselves.

Beautiful.

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>>49181766
>It's just like my chinese cartoons

>>49144339
Theres a Russian one named... Tehnolog... or something. Shows up on e-bay a lot. Dirt cheap plastic minis... probably meant for young kids but, as I said, dirt cheap.

>>49181766
>there's no such thing as herd mentality
t.socially unskilled delta.

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edge bump.

>>49147139
Never heard of them, but now im considering ordering from them. Anybody have any experiences with them?

>>49182159
> implying 'hur hur everyone else is sheep and not as enlightened as me' isn't worth mocking.

>>49173385
>WHQuest 2.0
Age of Sigmar Quest

>>49181177
i would be into it if it was 25-28mm sadly :(

>>49181755
Thanks for the Celtos rules man.

>>49181902
>>49182391
If I could sculpt minis, I'd do some shit for Apokalypse, it sure sounds interesting...but that'd require effort and I'm really bad with GS.

>>49183621
Except the game literally wouldn't work at that scale. Tripods would be as big as titans.

>>49181177
It's a cool game with a neat ruleset(and a damn good title I wish I had come up with myself). Sadly it suffered from poor management and a lot of "the sculpts are terrible."

>>49181253
I have Freebboters. I'll see if I can get it uploaded for ya.

>>49184763
i know, which is why i said "sadly"

>>49182804
The grot scuttlings are actually a pretty cool set of figures. A lot of people don't like them, and there are only a handful of variants, but that just means I can spend a few quid and get 32 off ebay. They do well as fucked-up spider-mutant night goblins, although it feels weird to have actual GW miniatures in my night goblin army.

>>49185032
Fucking hell, they look awful. What did GW smoke to come up with these.

>>49185164
Sigmar, man.

They actually look goodish as part of a larger army, if you paint them to fit in. Not amazing, but... well, most ebay sellers now are doing then in lots of 8, but I got mine cheap and am quite happy with the ugly little fuckers.

>>49185164
I'm actually with >>49185032 on this, I kinda like them.

>>49185240
>>49185032
I just got eight of them and the chaos familiars.

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>>49184419
Not much sculpting needed, really. You can find a lot of figs that fit the game just fine. Only thing needed is some dirty, grimy paint job (i.e. not Infinity's pristine, clean and bright colours, for example) and maybe some minor conversions.

The only real absence in terms of minis would be Panteras (glhf finding something similar, I'm really curious how the devs made theirs) and maybe Hellraiser Speed Armor, though the latter can be proxied with whatever nimble, futuristic, armored dude you have.

>>49186146
>the chaos familiars
those are pretty nice too, worth picking up a set.
just don't start thinking that about too many things or you'll find yourself buying the game. idk, is it actually any good? I know it's not whq1, and I adored that game, but I can find space in my heart for multiple games

>>49186180
Meh, doing them for myself and casting up for those who also need some would be freakin' awesome to be honest. It'd be as awesome when the first time I was asked to paint some shit and they paid actual money for it, and not just "hey, y'know, can you paint this for me for free or sumthin'? kkthxbai".

Plus my problem with converted figures is that most fo the time I can tell the base figure and can't really get away from it.

>>49185032
What non GW night goblins do you use?

>>49186213
I have no idea what the game is like but I don't have any confidence in GW to not actively go out of their way to poorly construct a ruleset and there are billions of games floating around that are higher on my list of shit to try. I just like spider goblins, legbook, and legfish (small moonface is decent, birdman is acceptable).

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>>49186180
Copypasting a list I wrote up...
>Gee-dubs
You can actually find a few minis from GW that will work well for Apokalypse, as long as they're non-"heroic size". Necromunda especially, but some IG lines should work too.
>Infinity
Has honest-to-god Landmates! Robots, power armor and a bunch of other fitting stuff as well, even though their models are a little on the high-tech side rather than the postapocalyptic.
http://www.lead-adventure.com/
Various postapoca dudes
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/
Both the Urban War and Kryomek line work very well (the devs used converted Kryomek robots, for example). You might find minis from the other game lines too.
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/street-violence
various military/ganger minis
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/
Scifi military and powerarmors
http://www.em4miniatures.com/
Good selection of military/armed minis. The plastic space rangers were what I used for Ramrod armors, even though their weapons are a little too scifi...
http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/
Scifi, postapoca and ganger minis
http://www.victoryforce.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=VFM
Has some decent minis. You can find Landmates under the "Aurora" line (CLAWS models).
http://www.aberrantgames.com/darktomorrow.html
Alt-necromunda, there should be a few usable minis.
http://www.brother-vinni.com/shop.htm#!/28-mm/c/5901131/offset=0&sort=normal
Has a few fitting scifi/postapoca minis.
http://www.spectreminiatures.com/
Lots of contemporary military and militia minis that will go well with Apoka.

>>49186262
Well, if you have the equipment and know-how to make your own models that probably would be pretty awesome! Making moulds once you have a fig is easy enough.
I remember we made shitty moulds off of WHFB 4ed back in the day. Got you some better mileage out of the weekly allowance...

>>49186335
There is a company making night gobbos in the OP producer list. Don't remember the name, sorry to say.

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>>49186370
>Making moulds once you have a fig is easy enough.
A friend of mine runs a casting company, he makes the giant in pic attached.

For the Night Goblin question - Black Tree, maybe?

>>49186335
kev adams sculpts night goblins for basically anyone who asks. btd/eoeorbis and black hat make up most of mine, swear I've found others.

the btd ones have the dorkiest little fanatics - they have a little chain with a small weight on the end, not a massive ball. fairly sure it'd fuck you up about as much, and it's adorable.

http://eoeorbisuk.com/search?type=product&q=nightling

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>>49186505
How can you not love these little fuckers?

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>>49186262
You got some old model pics to share, btw? Sounds you got a pretty good hand with painting. :3

>>49186427
That one's actually pretty nice.
>>49186548
lol, looks 15mm

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>>49186548
Black Hat have night goblin wolf riders, which aren't too common. They also have (in their scottish dwarf range) war haggis, if you want a small alternative to squigs.

And yeah, I could just buy more GW, I just like other options too.

>>49186581
Nah, just weedy. They're high on shrooms, not muscles.

>>49186552

>Submachine Gun
>Fires rifle ammunition

Someone doesn't understand what an SMG is. Why is /tg/-things so fucking bad when it comes to anything firearm related? Hell, anything practical that has a basis in real life.

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>>49186552
The giant at >>49186427 is one of my more recent paintjobs, and I uploaded a bunch of my Warzone minis to the topic (Bauhaus Militia and Heavy Infantry), but here's something else, kitbashed caravan guard for This is Not a Test with parts from a couple different kits (if you name most of them, I'll be impressed).

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>>49186644
Well, a heavy SMG is basically an assault rifle...we're having a raff on /k/'s account

Anyway, some more Warzone, Imperial spec ops (name evades me, but in the new incarnation they are in bigger exo suits and armed with power claws).

>>49186691
Those look nice!

>>49187140
Thanks. I think I need to buy a blister of normal dudes and an MG from Prince August as I only have these four and they are unplayable like this (need at least 5 minis).

>>49186691
Cool minis, but it's kinda strange to see old models on those Warmahorde bases? Strange how widespread those have become, I like the old 25mm better. :<

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>>49188733
Thanks, but they aren't exclusive to Warmahordes - Malifaux uses them, plus Warzone Resurrection works with those too, thus I mounted mine on the newer style - not that it mattery that much, but I like the aestheritc more. Most of the old minis really hang off of the standard 25mm bases.

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>>49188823
Ah, that's a good point. Warzone dudes really had that comic book standing pose often.

>>49188979
Especially the 1st ed figures. When Kev White and Roy Eastland came with the 2nd ed stuff, they got a bit more sensible poses.

page 9 bump

>>49167604
Oh fuck off. As a person who stuck with Armada since 1st edition, they make nice models, and sometimes they manage to produce adequate rules. They can't keep a schedule, they can't provide long term support to games, and the company owner micro-manages everything, creating a massive decision bottleneck.

Did I mention they will drop your game to chase their newest darling of an idea at the drop of the hat?

Buy Spartan models if you like, but do not expect to play Spartan games with them.

>>49181177

The settings good and the rulebook makes for a pretty nice sourcebook.

The game itself is pretty "WHY?" though desu.

>>49181177
It's a game desperately in need of a 2nd edition.
Needed one right from the get-go to be honest.

The game itself is decent but fucking hell it needed so much supplemental material to be able to just get a demo game going. The rulebook itself is a complete nightmare to reference in games because the layout is not only all over the place, it breaks up the actual relevant sections to playing shit-loads of fluff and imagery.

Concept is great, miniatures are oversized for the scale and overpriced but otherwise ok.

I kinda wish it hadn't died on it's arse, it could really do with a massive revision and re-launch, because the initial release had so many downsides to stop potential players who didn't get in on the kickstarter, I am not surprised it failed. The money went in almost all the wrong places.

Is there any crossover between Warzone and Warzone: Resurrection at all, like I-Kore Void and Urban War?

>>49186644
Next up on agenda, whining that clip and magazine aren't the same thing.

>>49166101
Koreans in my area love wargaming. They're the most receptive minority.

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1 maybe 2 threads ago I posted about some russian cardboard buildings I'd found on ebay and their potential suitability for wargames.

I ordered one and it turned up today so i thought I'd post some pics.

It's decent quality (especially for the price) but it's also ever so slightly too small I think.

Anyway here it is captured by some Gripping beast Vikings.

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>>49194069

Two of the vikings have a rumble inside.

The door in the back highlights the scale issues, it's just slightly too small.

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>>49194106

You also get several card figures with the kit, nothing fancy but they could be useful for objectives.

>>49194145

Scale comparison of the card figures with a viking.

Not sure if I'm going to pick up more. They are nice for the price but I'm just not sure about the scale.

For anyone who's interested this seems to be the cheapest place to get them:

http://russia-best.com/category/medieval-town/all/

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>>49194202

Forgot my pic because I'm an ass.

>>49194202
Scale is fine, the problem is the miniatures, or rather, the bases.

Like most bases used with 28mm stuff, they're overly thick and overly wide for use with realistically sized terrain, especially buildings. They make the miniatures way too tall, and they take up massively more space than a human actually does.

>>49194069
>>49194106
>>49194145
Neat, looks like 20mm or 1/72 figures would fit perfectly.

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>>49194069
>>49194106
>>49194145

>>49194387
>>49194240

Nah that is definitely perfectly within the range of 28mm.

Also protip: buildings, like cars and tanks, are usually way smaller than people imagine they are in comparison to miniatures, especially if they're at all realistic about the sizing for historical stuff.

>>49192324
They're the same universe, same core mechanics, but if you're looking to use units and environmental rules between the games you're not going to have much luck. You could very well try but you're going to have too do a fair bit of rewriting to port units between them.

>>49186691
Golden Lions, those are the old Golden Lions. Great figures, a shame that the Grenadier never saw the light of day beyond a few lucky Czechs.

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>>49197537
Nope, I'm partially wrong. It's far less work rewriting old 1st and 2nd edition warzone units for WZ:R, stat lines and skills are quite similar and would only need a minimum of revision. Porting the environments rules(Dark Eden 1st ed., Mars, Venus 2nd ed.) around would be a bit of effort though.

>>49192324
You can use your same minis with some proxy-ing, or conversions, or making straight-up houserules. It seems that everyone forgot what shotguns are since 3rd ed, but fuckton of models had them previously - Wolfbane Commando Sergeant, Bauhaus Hussar Sergeant, and so on and so forth. Just make them carry a shotgun for some extra points and be done with it. Also, my Golden Lions (found the name) will be used as Blood Berets since they have plasma carbines, as they are in Resurrection, while the old ones have Invader ARs, which is now the weapon of the spec ops. Also, some of the bigger new models might be a good replacement for the old ones, I don't really want an old full metal Hurricane walker, I'll probably get a new resin or two.

>>49194069
That's fuckin' awesome, mate. It'd be ideal for 1:72.

>>49197844
Yep, thanks. I might be able to get some rare figures, a friend of mine in the USA has a rocket launcher armed Golden Lion I haven't seen so far, and another one gave me a Bauhaus Recitor made by Cyclopes Forge.

>>49198146
I'll wait till they do those in Resurrection. They are doing new units constantly.

>>49194106
Doors are expensive and a lot of older buildings had smaller doors than you'd get these days. People can duck, after all.

>>49199419
That, and drop down to 1mm acrylic bases and you'll be fine. Maybe run a brown? marker down the bare cardboard edges.

>>49186644

>Submachine Gun
>Fires rifle ammunition

It's a PDW!

>>49198146
By the way, I still have a bag of 80 old Warzone miniatures I'm willing to part with for 20euros + shipping. Anyone wants it?

>>49200255
Bullshit

>>49201036
>A personal defense weapon (PDW) is a class of compact magazine-fed, self-loading, select-fire firearm – essentially a hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine, retaining the compact size and ammunition capacity of the former while adding the stopping power, accuracy and penetration of the latter. Most PDWs fire a small-caliber, high-velocity bottleneck cartridge, resembling a small or short rifle round. This gives the PDW better range, accuracy and armor-penetrating capability than submachine guns, which fire pistol-caliber cartridges.

Off wikipedia, sorry.

>>49200411
It's about the same price from Prince August. The plastics are really common to be honest, and I wouldn't part with them.

Why don't you start Warzone? If you can supply some more support weapons (basically +5 HMGs for both sides), you can put a whole bunch of yadda on the table. With the basic 80 guys, you can play easily too, just use the Ducal Militia as Hussars and make the sergeants with pistols custom tech heroes or something. If you're willing to add some bits and bobs to the system, you can have lots of fun with those basic guys too.

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>>49201157
Whoop, forgot pic. First is a Rocket Launcher specialist, conversion with a new RL from the Hussar kit, second is a Medic specialist with officer head and IG medic backpack, this is vanilla HMG specialist.

>>49194069

Neat, I think that's an alright scale too.

Had a look and for me in the UK, it's either $5 with high shipping from Russia, or £12 from Latvia.

>>49194069
I think you could improve its visuals even more by placing it on a base

Nice find though.

>>49201136
>>49201157
Naw, they don't sell the bag anymore. Now you have to buy the entire game starter for 40 euros.

I bought two bags as Guardsmen fodder and I ended up converting most of one bag for stuff. The other one is just laying there, teasing me with the potential Imperial Militia and heretics. I just want it off my shoulders.

While I like the new Warzone models, I'm not too keen on Warzone as a game. I just... lack interest. And if I ever went through the trouble of building (lol) and painting (double lol) 80 manz, I still wouldn't have anyone to play with, having two armies be damned :(

>>49202020
I see - I'd grab them from you, but I want to buy the box at one point (preferably soon) for the books and the box itself. The Regulars can be converted into Stormtrenchers with relatively few hassle, and the Ducal Militia could represent many different units with some headswaps and minor conversions.

>>49202067
>The Regulars can be converted into Stormtrenchers with relatively few hassle
I've done just that for my own WZ:R Imperials. They come up nicely, if this thread is still around tomorrow I'll post a shot of them here.

>>49202182
Color me interested!

>>49202067
Well, of course, what would you do with 160 dudes...

>>49182492
Friend of mine has bought a whole Fallout warband's worth of his stuff. He loves them, although he does state that there tends to be a lot of flash and mould lines.

>>49203140
damn, im still fairly new at the hobby and have not even attempted to deal with flash/mould lines...

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>>49175958
>mfw getting an enormous package of Dust in the mail tomorrow

God do I love Dust Warfare. And I've even got someone to play with! It's like Christmas 24/7 up in here.

Still gotta perfect my NDAK scheme, but it's coming along nicely.

>>49203156
It's not too hard - both can be solved by the practical application of a hobby knife. Flash can be cut off, and mould lines can be ground down by running the blade perpendicular to the line itself, back and forth, until it's smooth. Might take you a few tries to get the hang of it, but I have no doubt you'll pick it up quickly.

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>>49203333
I'm talking truly enormous btw - literally the entire Axis line, including multiples. And I got it by trading away a bunch of shit I didn't want on Bartertown.

Bartertown best site. I'm gonna need more paint.

>>49203021
Plus the three dozen Bauhaus guys and another dozen imperials I already have, plus metals for both Ducal Militia and Trenchers.

Well, yeah. Kinda.

>>49132141
>That pic

I'm confused, but sort of want. I need to use a Maus in a game at some point.

>>49203021
That's four units of forty dudes in different colours, to be used as mercs/militia/some baron's guard and thrown into whatever game you like.

>>49201895

I actually bought this one from Latvia for £12 just to see what they are like, the high shipping from russia balances out providing you buy enough of them.

>>49201895

Aye, not a bad idea.

>>49191186
I've been with Firestorm since 1st edition as well, and 2nd edition was a great improvement. Also played Dystopian Wars, although have yet to try 2nd as there is no scene in my area.

I admit they have problems, and some of those are easy to fix if they take 20 monutes to look things over, but they do make fun games. If I could get people interested in FSA here I'd be happy.

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Pumb, Stormtrencher anon will prolly post to the next thread.

>>49146501
Oh for sure. I remember when the old Beastmen book came out (~2003?) they had a great tutorial on making "evil trees" for Beastmen themed boards on the actual GW site, only to find they'd taken it down when I finally got around to working on that army. It sucks, it really feels like they sucked the fun out of it for cash and I haven't given a shit about actually buying anything from them for about 5 years now. I just dust off those never-finished sets and paint old models.

>>49207088
The old GW site used to be really cool.

> Articles on hobby stuff for every army
> Warhammer Skirmish
> You could order individual bits on the store
> Classic models were still available
> Specialist Games were still available

>>49207142
Don't forget they had wallpapers and even short stories for some (all?) factions there as well

>>49207158
Remember that one article, I think it was a Warhammer Skirmish campaign?

Basically followed a feud between a Dwarf King and a Dragon, shit like that was so cash.

>>49207142
The Black Gobbo E-zine was a wonderful thing - chock full of conversions, painting guides, and experimental rules.
Why they stopped doing that, I have no idea.

>>49207342
>Why they stopped doing that, I have no idea.
Because it was good.

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