Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

Uther was a pretty useless guy.

Tyrael is a far better ur-Paladin.

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>>49020557
UH DK, Frost DK, Survival hunter, or fury warrior for legion?

Who's that new dranaei paladin?

>>49020557
What's the plot of the hunter class hall campaign?

>>49020571
survival is a meme spec
unholy is good but dumb because of the stupid 15 year old abom model
frost lets you summon Sindragosa as a damage cooldown, but is the second worst DPS spec in the game after arms

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>>49020611
Abom isn't a DPS upgrade, right? if not and even if it probably is i'll just use the Geist model like I did through WoD

>>49020626
not only is abom a DPS gain, the other two talents in the tier are completely useless outside of PvP, where you would take Asphyxiate

>>49020569
Uther is kept around because everyone loves his voice.

>>49020626
It is a DPS upgrade, and the rest of the tier is pretty useless. Just like Clawing Shadows being miles better than the rest of its tier until they slapped down the AP%. Ranged DK best DK.

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>>49020640
>>49020648

fuck that noise

I wouldn't mind an upgraded abom model but the same one we've had since vanilla? fuck you blizz.

>>49020655
Since a lot of people have been bitching since late beta and the prepatch, it sounds like Blizz actually will update the Abom model a bit. God knows when though.

>>49020411
Because Malf is a bitch-boi faggot druid overstepping his bounds in a fucking matriarchal theocracy?
Because whenever he's in the same expansion as Tyrande, she gets kidnapped or jobs?
Because the only tone his character has struck over the past always has been shitty default True Neutral Druid without ever doing anything, least of all stop the Horde from raping trees?
Because he's a bigger pile of wasted interactions and character development than Thrall, and the only development he's ever going to get is when he either apologizes to Illidan or dies horribly?

The line reads so much like "Hush now, honey. The MEN are talking" like he's a caricature of 1960's TV dads, it's just another cool thing about Night Elves thrown onto the pyre.

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>>49020678
Oh well. I don't care if it's a DPS loss. I'll stick with my Geist buddy. At least he has a model that doesn't look like ass. It can't be that big a DPS loss. It probably is.

>>49020678
>in before they make the retarded ICC boss model you get with Dark Transformation the baseline model

>>49020577

Yrel? Maraad?

Real talk: When would be a good place to run a warcraft D&D type game?

During WC3? Maybe one of the expansions?

>>49020692
>It probably is.
honestly, no matter how bad the model is, it's still a reason to not use Asphyxiate, which is good because fuck that spell. It's completely fucking useless outside of PvP

>>49020697
Yrel; I think. there was some hubbub about her in WoD but I stopped playing shortly after that expansion.

Man, I'd actually come back if they put out content like FFXIV did.

>>49020709

She'll never be seen again outside of a token cameo here and there since she's from an alternate timeline.

>>49020770
>There is a perfectly viable universe for the draenei and orcs to fuck off to
>They never will

>>49020692
It's maybe 5% tops. The main bonus is that the Abom has true AOE with a 10 yard range, in addition to its other attacks.

>>49020695
From the sound of it, they may try and get the HotS model for Stitches as baseline, with some tweaks. If so, I want the ability to have Bikini Stitches for maximum retching.

>>49020679
He said "hush Tyrande" right before the Sundering. Night Elf empire was a monarchy, not a theocracy. And whether or not the night elf monarchy was a matriarchal is undetermined. There were many male night elf noblemen, and the highborne seemed pretty gender neutral. The idea of women running night elf society while their males navel gazed wasn't a thing until after the Sundering.

>>49020702
The premices of the last Silithid invasion. A scientist send you to one of the hives in Feralas to investigate, but of course nothing go as planned.
And when you return with what he asked for, scouts inform you that several hives have been spotted in other areas (barrens, thousand needles...)
It could be some sort of investigation-exploration adventure where the adventurers will slowly figure that they have to go to Silithus, and when they finally get to the cenarian stronghold, everything goes to hell.

>>49020702
We've actually run a few
One was a low-level adventure in the barrens kinda thing, set right before wow classic.
Another was an alliance party of explorers, set just after wc3 -- scouting what would later be towns or dungeons in wow.
the last was a high-level cross faction group that represented an initial scouting party beyond the dark portal set right before TBC.
None of the campaigns lasted too long, but I attribute that mostly to our groups D&D fatigue at the time, the last campaign had the most legs to it, until our dark iron warrior got mind controlled and killed half the party in one round. Again, D&D fatigue got us uninspired to even retcon the situation -- instead we went to exalted 2e: armies fought, banquets were held, demons were ninja-kicked through portals, and baby clothes were urinated on.

>>49020785
5% isn't terrible. But I guess i'll need to suck it up. I just don't like the thought of having a nice looking artifact weapon/armor covering my character but getting an awful sized 10+ year old model next to my character sitting up the mood.

>>49020702
Colonization of Durotar and the Barrens. Plenty of cool shit going on and if you're an Orc/Troll/Tauren, you get to do a whole manifest destiny deal.

Play a campaign about the people who set-up the Crossroads as a settlement in the middle of nowhere, the nearest port is fledgling and Goblin-controlled--which means that the prices will gouge you to hell and back. Overland travel to Orgrimmar and Mulgore take a week--and that's with roads which you haven't had built yet.

Centaurs are building up a war band. Ogres are causing shit. Remnants of Kul Tiras are a problem and competing for resources. The Grimtotem are making deals with the Kul Tiras for guns. Quillboar are well-stocked in the Razorfens and more than willing to snuff you out. The Wailing Caverns is belching forth reptillian horrors.

And the Horde is so young, there are internal issues out the wazoo. The Orcs still want to Mak'gora and bloodlust shit; as well as reap Ashenvale. The Trolls still want to eat the dead and worship all the loa (even the bad ones). The Tauren know the land and it is very easy to kill one of their animals and offend a tribe of them. To say nothing of warlocks, Scourge and Legion remnants wandering the desert, and the general issues of making a life in the wastes.

Post Rexxar Adventures but pre-WoW Vanilla.

what is this new meme with the little loli with the red eyes?
its cute

>>49020702
Some good ones have already been mentioned.

I'm also partial to the tail end of WotLK, but set in the Eastern Kingdoms/Kalimdor. There's plenty of stuff to explore then, and you can use the Cataclysm itself as an event in-game

Another I like is Steamwheedle employed explorers set just before WoW.

Plenty of as-of-yet unexplored places to go. Plenty of race possibilities for your players. Steamwheedle employs all sorts. And there's all sorts of combat situations you can throw at them.

>>49020557

Lady Lidadrin is actually Uther the Lightbringer using an orb of the Sindorei to cover up his death

what happens next

>>49021628
>no one ever figured out why her expression turned so sour when she heard the words "glad you could make it"

>>49021797

>Liadrin says I am still your superior as a paladin

THE CLUES WERE THERE ALL ALONG

So what ever happened with Ozumat and the elemental lord of water?
They still fuckin'?

>>49020571
Survival Hunter. Pretty fun; I can't speak on Frost Death Knight, though.

>>49020611
>survival is a meme spec
Nice meme, bro.

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>>49021915
He just shows up free in Legion as part of the shaman class quest.

>>49020626
>>49020640
>>49020648
>>49020655
>>49020678
Personally, I would've preferred another Ghoul or two instead of an Abomination. If nothing else because the Abomination looks silly in pocket-sized form.

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Ah yes, Orb of the Sindorei. Best toy ever.

>>49020702
I did mine as a non-canon mix of the beginning of Core and Cataclysm.

The only difference was that it was the Scourge, not the Forsaken, who invaded Gilneas.

>>49020702
Hijacking this question ask, which edition of D&D would work best for a Warcraft game?

>inb4 4e because "WoW Edition"

Although I actually do like 4e a lot and it certainly gets the power level down.

spank the night elf

>>49020702
I'm starting mine during the Argent Tournament. It lets them experience how much the world has changed since TFT (Since the new players haven't played wow at all, and Wrath is a semi direct sequel to its events), and allows me to slowly acclimate them to the changes to Azeroth without having to explain Ulduar to them.

I might have to go fire mage first

http://www.wowhead.com/guide=4149/a-guide-to-legion-legendaries

>>49022339
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oaqqtXQG-fT-C5_yajhLbUabdpN5XPn7hmV-MXAGz78/edit?usp=sharing

Tried downloading it as a .PDF, but it's not working for some reason.

>>49020557
LIADRIN IS A FUCKING TRAITOR

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>49022429
Which one? They're all pretty fine.

I'd spank a Tyrande, Shandris, and Naisha.

and get spanked by Maiev.

>>49023203

I'd spank any nelf. It's why they exist

>>49020678
I think they have a long-term plan to update the old models. They did give us new models for whelplings, squirrels, rabbits and other critters.

I know this is something of a can of worms but what do you guys think about all the legendaries in Legion?

Have they had any effect on deciding what spec you'll be playing?

>>49023493
>what do you guys think about all the legendaries in Legion?
I don't like that they're handing them out like candy, and so I probably won't buy Legion, the first WoW expansion I won't buy on release.

>>49023493
I think the lore behind them is pretty neat, and I don't mind everyone is getting them since it's easy for me to ignore that.

I also like that they're very customizable, although there are some specs where all options are absolutely atrocious; particularly Unholy Death Knight.

>>49023493
All I can say is destruct will probably give me more than demo would dare.

>>49023566
Not the artifacts. The legendaries, orange text.
Theres a whole lot of them in Legion. Some have generic effects and some are spec specific.

If you want to see the ones available to you in-game just open the dungeon journal and click the loot tab. You can also see the first Legion tier sets.

>>49023493
The legendaries or the artefacts? The artifacts are rather cool, but the legendaries don't deserve the name.

>>49023662
Oh, I didn't even know about these being relevant in Legion.

Honestly, my feelings are indifferent.

>>49023493
the fire mage head piece looks fun
http://www.wowhead.com/item=132863/darcklis-dragonfire-diadem

>>49023964
I haven't looked at them all but I think this is my favourite so far.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=137061/raddons-cascading-eyes
>The remaining cooldown on Eye Beam is reduced by 0.3 sec each time it deals a critical hit.

The Fury Warrior are kinda lame. I'm no master of balance so I'm sure they're technically equal but totally lacking in zazz.

>>49023493
People are stupidly upset about it, they should've just made a new tier of item and no one would be whining but muh sacred cow orange

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Why did Liadrin's eyes turn gold but other belf pallies' didn't?

>>49024178
Because she was right in front of the purification?

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>>49023174
THEY'RE ALL TRAITORS
Silvermoon ain't free, the sunwell gotta be watered with the blood of traitors who bow to foreigners and aliens
KING Lor'themar Theron is not my regent lord, he is usuper and traitor to the crown
The last true ruler of Quel'Thalas is Prince Kael'thas Sunstrider (praise be)
Quel'thalas, not cucks4windchimes

>>49023174
I will fight you

>>49024178
So is Liadrin the canon bearer of Quel'delar?

>>49020887
It's probably one guy posting Touhou pics as a poor man's triptag.

Who's Liadrin?

>>49024245
Impossible, I am.

>tfw when I like Quel'delar over Ashbringer

Why didn't the Draenei return to colonise Outland after TBC?

>>49024178
Her model's eyes aren't gold. She might just be channeling divine power in that image causing her eyes to glow gold.

>>49024594
Cause it's a shit hole floating out in the middle of the Twisting Nether?

>>49024594
they wanted to as of cataclysm.

>>49023493
How do you even get those legendaries anyways?

>>49024652
Dungeon bosses, raid bosses, PvP Strongboxes, Mythic+ Weekly Caches and World Quest Caches (rewarded after completing 4 world quests)

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I will ship this until Blizzard makes it happen.

>>49024704
Hmm. So is it gonna be a barrier for entry for people? "Sorry, but you gotta have atleast 2 pieces of legendary gear on for this group. Sorry!"

>>49024727
If Aggra dies in Legion, it still could.

>>49024261
Top rank Blood Knight, aka blood elf paladin. And the only blood elf worthy of the class.

>>49023493
Warrior ones suck
>tfw no Shalamalayne, Gorehowl, Ashkandi, Quel'Delar, Quel'Serrar, or any of the other lore-rich old weapons
>tfw no comfy warrior class hall at Fray Island or down-to-earth bunker near a battlefield
>tfw no Nazgrel follower

Just how strong do you people think Shadow Priests are, lore wise?

Are they ostracized like Warlocks?

>>49024735
As of right now you can only have one equipped at a time anyway.
And I've heard Blizzard is putting in some bad luck protection too, the longer you go without getting one increases the drop chance.

>>49024774
I do find the choice of order hall location curious. I mean, I guess its at the Broken Isles, but is there any warrior figures from WoW even there?

>>49024735
You're limited to equipping a single Legion legendary, at least at the start of the expansion.

So there might be a cap of 'must have one legendary to get in', but most of the effects are only equivalent to a talent. They're nice, but nothing to gush over or demand.

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>>49024727
posting superior ship

Those feels when I want to play demonology because its fun, but destro locks literally get the staff that Ner'zhul used to rip draenor apart.

I'm tired of these "literally who" tier artifacts.

>>49024808
You mean the dead ship? Nah. It had it's chance, and now one of them's dead.

>>49024783
Yeah, the previous owner of the shadow priest artifact was ostracized for that very reason. The Void, while necessary for the Light to exist, is bad shit.

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>>49024771
>:-(

>>49024808
>Lich Queen next expansion after Jaina overthrows Bolvar.
>Finally has a way to strike back at the Horde and the Alliance who betrayed her beliefs.

calling it now.

>>49024774
I'm really excited for the Prot shield though. One of my favourites artifacts and definitely considering changing primary spec for it.

>>49024802
Nope. Lothar and Doomhammer were in originally, but were removed because they somehow didn't make sense as being in Valhalla. Instead, it's all Ymirjar.

>>49024819
Would you prefer a "literally who" legendary like the Sunwell bow?

Lore on a weapon has to start somewhere. At least you're supposed to be able to learn more about the artifacts through the Order Hall missions, so they get fleshed out with time.

>>49024843
Aye, the Prot shield is fine. Was considering going Prot as well for Legion, but both main tanks are staying, so I'll be having my Warrior kept levelled and geared as a sub tank, and main instead an UH death knight. Nice weapon and the spec plays well (Not a fan of post-MoP Fury or Arms, played Gladiator in WoD)

>>49024876
What's more of "literally who" legendary? Thori'dal, or Val'anyr? I think I'm gonna make a tier list of legendaries based on their lore significance.

>>49024749
I always hated Aggra's character. The moment she's introduced in Prelude to Cataclysm, The. Very. Moment. Thrall becomes a whiny irresponsible bitch and never recovers. I want her to die and I want thrall to harden the fuck up again.

Honestly, I never shipped Jaina and Thrall, but seeing what has happened to both characters since Cata it would've probably been better than what we got, desu.

>>49024727
I remember that one Blizzcon where Metzen was like
>Thralls gotta settle down with a nice brown orc Girl
Meanwhile Jaina gets SCALED two expansions later by the resident dragon with an ongoing human fetish.

>>49024904
All of them are literally who except for Twinglaives, Atiesh, Sulfuras and Shadowmorne(which was crafted from Arthas' Paladin Mace). Everything else was made up on the spot.

>>49024904
Atiesh, the staff from Vanilla Naxx would probably be on top, lore-wise since it was Medivh's.
Then the Warglaives of Azzinoth because Illidindu Nuffin
Then Sulfuras and Thunderfury.
From there it's all "literally who" tier.

>>49024988
>Thunderfury
No.

>>49024824
>death meaning anything in warcraft.

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>watch the Alliance Broken Shore cinematic
>Varian wrecking shit, Mekkatorque blowing shit up with his mech, Genn Greymane going full beastmode
>they only have to retreat because the Horde fucked it all up
>watch the Horde Broken Shore cinematic
>Thrall on the ground, Vol'jin gets shanked within like ten seconds
>Horde can't even do a simple job like holding the flank

Feels good not being the Official Jobber Faction

>>49024917
I hated how Aggra basically turned Thrall's ability as a shaman down to apparent shit-tier.

>I'm the most gifted shaman in Azeroth, and probably Outland in ages, even Drek'thar a renowned shaman was impressed with how quickly I learned

>Hurr durr, you know nothing about the elements! I, an orc who is young enough to be Drek'thar's grand daughter knows more about teaching you the way of the elements than him. Also your slave name is disgusting, I don't care if you use it to show your mastery over a childhood you overcame.

Fuck Aggra. The more irrelevant she becomes the better.

>>49024819
>>49024774

I'm annoyed the Arms warrior artifact isn't Broxigar's Axe of Cenarius because they thought the "nature" theme of it wouldn't fit the Titan theme they seem to be going with for warriors.

>>49024988
Did someone say...

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>>49025060

>>49024783
I like to think they aren't quite as much.

Like, even if a warlock is on your side, you don't trust him, but I haven't seen any such thing happen to a shadow priest.

Either they're around and very good at hiding, or are in the Twilight's Hammer.

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I just stumbled across something beautiful.

>>49024981
>>49024988

So first, how do we establish the criteria? Being confirmed wielded by a lore character gives you an automatic pass from "literally who" status. So where do we go from there? I agree that Atiesh and Azzinoth rank really high because they were used by lore characters, and were seen as far back as Warcraft 3. Does Jeweled Scepter of Sargeras rank even high because of how it first appeared in Warcraft 2?

>>49025098
god damn it I can hear his voice!

>>49025061
Broxigar's Axe is literally stuck into Sargeras's physical form, though.
>>49025060
>Waste time speaking while the people that are covering you are getting orbital bombarded
>Have lost in almost every single lore-important faction encounter before
One "We didn't lose as badly" doesn't change the Alliance from being the jobbers.

>>49025061
I don't mind Arms being Thoradin's sword. He united all the seperate human tribes and waged war on the tolls using clever strategy. So giving it to the Arms spec, which in my mind takes a little more thought than Fury, makes sense.

>>49025130
I thought it washed up on the shore after the Sundering, and Krasus took it back to the present to give it to Thrall? And now it's being used by Brox's niece?

>>49025100
>Jeweled Scepter of Sargeras
Artifacts are a whole other can of worms. As for Criteria among legendaries.

The top are the ones wielded by lore figures from before WoW(Atiesh, Twinglaives of Azzinoth)

Followed by the ones that are instantly recognizable to most people who play the game with their head out of their ass(Sulfuras)

Followed by items that aren't Lore relevant nor iconic, but have a basis in existing lore having been reforged from a weapon that existed already(Shadow Mourne)

Everything after that is just made up on the spot, though the ones that the player helps create are at least better than the likes of Thoridal or Valinyr which we're just supposed to take the games word that those weapons are important.

Though all this is only from a lore standpoint from a gameplay stand point I've only ever had one legendary despite playing the game for over eight years(and its the fucking ring).

>>49025147
Yes. The axe is currently in use, though never seen in game.

>>49025060
Yeah legions portrayal of the horde really makes me consider switching to alliance. Its been bad since mists of pandaria but this is a whole new level of Horde being shit. Shame all their races are cooler and better looking, but their lore is so much worse.

>>49025061
>The more irrelevant she becomes the better.
No. In my mind, she literally needs to die for Thrall's character to have any chance of recovering.

Thrall needs to learn that sometimes you need to depend on yourself and not the elements, and reawaken the warrior side of his backstory.

Him letting Garrosh "I've never fought personally in any important war" Hellscream kick him around is bullshit and just a testament to how far he's fallen.

>>49025226
>I've only ever had one legendary despite playing the game for over eight years(and its the fucking ring).
I hear that!

>>49025226
I think Thori'dal should be at it's own bottom tier, since it literally has no lore. At least Val'anyr has some to it, and has some measure of crafting to it though not as involved as Shadowmourne, dragonstaff, or fangs of the father.

>>49025369
Thori'dal is the best looking bow though. Along with the other one from Sunwell. Too bad there aren't any really nice guns that aren't some oversized monstrosity.

>>49025369
I agree.

>>49025399
We're talking about lore significance not actual weapon design. I like how Thori'dal looks and the fact that it was a laser bow that didn't need ammo, back when everything else did.

>>49025399
So how does this look?

True Legend-tier
Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian
Twin Blades of Azzinoth

WoW Icon-tier
Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros

Legendary pedigree-tier
Shadowmourne
Fangs of the Father

Some epics have more lore significance than me-tier
Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest

At least it has some crafting and lore to it-tier
Val'aynr, Hammer of Ancient Kings

Literally who-tier
Thori'dal, the Star's Fury

Joke-tier
Talisman of the Binding Shard

>>49025548
I don't know about Thunderfury... it's not like Thunderaan was a thing before we summoned him to steal his sword.

>>49025592
It's still pretty iconic though. Though if we're going off lore stuff, where should it be moved? Same tier as Shadowmourne? Or Dragonwrath?

>>49025626
I'd put it at Dragonwrath. Relevant to important factions, but the individual or weapon in question never came up beforehand.

>>49025626
Be on par with Shadowmourne. It gets brownie points for its meme status but meme != lore.

>>49025656
>weapon in question never came up beforehand.
It's pretty hard to come up before it's actually created, you know.

>>49025679
I think what he means to say is the character was made to provide lore for the item, not the other way around.

>>49025548
Agreed with >>49025592
Thunderfuries entire importance is post Vanilla. Sulfuras was wielded by the poster boy of Vanilla WoW raiding, Thunderfury became a meme later on.

I'd persoanlly put Thunderfury with Dragonwrath. In that it has a quest chain, but it was essentially made up along with that quest chain.

Also, I would add MoP cloak(Forgot their collective name), and WoD ring (Savage Hallows) to the same tier as Dragonwrath. Then I'd also add all of the Legion "legendaries" to a tier above Thori'dal because they're at least named after Lore Figures(most of them anyways) and have flavor text on them.

>>49025709
I refuse to admit MoP, WoD and Legion legendaries are anything more than glorified epics. Hence their absence on the list I made.

>>49024808
I too ship litchking/dreadlord

>>49025752
I feel like having a long quest chain dedicated to your creation is qualification for legendary, even if the lore is underwhelming.

However, I feel like MoP's and WoD's were too formulaic, and after all we had awesome epics with their own chain too (looking at you, Quel'delar.)

>>49025709
>Thunderfuries entire importance is post Vanilla.
I know a host of people that still insist it was a godly tank sword.

And at least the quest chain legendaries use the quest to add some lore, like going into Ragnaros' animosity towards the other elements. Or to show the blue dragon coming around to liking you, after previously telling you to fuck off on sight.

Sulfuras, aside from having been wielded by Ragnaros, has no lore. Make a sulfuron hammer, pop the Eye of Sulfuras into it, done. Do we even know about its original creation? Did Ragnaros make it himself?

>>49025803
>we had awesome epics with their own chain
Like Paladin and Warlock mounts, too.

>>49025061
>>49025130
>broxigar
>shitty fanfiction orc

>>49025787
t. Kosak.

>>49025078
>Those bracers

I thought Thrall had left the Horde to become a full time neutral Shaman within the Earthen Circle, what gives?

inb4 >expecting consistency from Blizzard, let alone Chris "Coke" Metzen

>>49025926

He's like Jaina pre-crazy, technically neutral but very obviously mainly working alongside one side.

>>49025926
>expecting consistency from Blizzard, let alone Chris "Coke" Metzen

>>49021915
Neptulon beat up Ozumat and made it his pet offscreen between Cataclysm and Legion.

>>49025926
He put on the doomplate when they had to go to war against the Iron Horde

>>49025958
Yeah.

To use a real world example, the Kirion Tor, Argent Crusade and Jaina (Theramore) are not neutral like Switzerland during WWII, they're neutral like Germany during WWII.

>>49025846
>I know a host of people that still insist it was a godly tank sword.
Oh it was. Its proc was better than 3 Sanders' worth of aggro.

>>49026004
the kirin tor was as neutral as could be.
Jaina was a part of the alliance and thus was not neutral
thrall left the horde for all intents and purposes and kept favoring it.

>>49020626
>Glyph of Mr. Skeltal is disabled while talented into Sludge Belcher
GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL

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>>49024774
>The Fury artifact isn't dual wielding MU Gorehowl and AU Gorehowl

Why even live

>>49026070
>Jaina was a part of the alliance and thus was not neutral
Jaina was part of the Kirin Tor and was thus neutral.

But worked for the alliance in literally everything and was surprised when that made her a horde target.

>>49024802
>>49024874

At least they get Thorim and Hodir from Ulduar, too.

>>49026116
That's a hundred trillion times better then the shitty fist artifact as ele shaman.

>>49024774

I like Stromkar, more lore on the unification of the old human tribes is always nice.

>>49026123
>surprised
she was pissed that the horde erased her city from existence.
Jaina was also the ruler of theramore: an alliance city.

>>49026144
Fist of Ra'den is awesome. I like it more than Doomhammer.

>>49026163
Fist of Ra'den is a shitty meme weapon at best.

>>49026163
But maybe thats because at this point I know more about Ra than I do about Doomhammer.

>>49026162
Yes.

>>49025061
>I'm annoyed the Arms warrior artifact isn't Broxigar's Axe of Cenarius because they thought the "nature" theme of it wouldn't fit the Titan theme they seem to be going with for warriors.

Trol'kalar's been in WoW lore but not usable by players since before Broxigar existed, it's fine.

>>49024819
Demo artefact is pretty cool, though. It's a talking skull of Archimonde's former mentor from before he became a demon. Not as cool as S-priest knaifu because it mostly just insults your, rather than having lore-relevant dialoque.

I do agree that "literally who" tier artefacts are a bit boring, but on the other hand on my paladin I probably rather have the prot or holy artefact. Ashbringer's been referenced and shown up every now and then since vanilla, and people have been clamoring to get it for so long, that just handing it out like nothing just feels like a big letdown.

>>49026203
Wait, so that's we're getting? I don't mind so much now.

>>49026186
>meme weapon
Could you explain what you mean by this.
To my knowledge it isn't based on a pre-existing joke.

>>49025846
>I know a host of people that still insist it was a godly tank sword.


It was best in slot for prot warriors even at the first tier of Burning Crusade raiding.

>>49026242

It just a word used when someone doesn't have anything meaningful to say.

>>49026242
It means he's a newfag that doesn't know what a meme is, so he uses it like a generic insult.

>>49026272
Someone's ass hurt as almighty hell.

>>49026019
>>49026252
Point being: It was important in vanilla.

The trade spam really ruined the poor sword's reputation.

>>49026236
Oh, shit, I was wrong. I knew it was Stromgarde but apparently it's some OTHER sword that the first king who unified the tribes called Stromkar

>>49025226
>can't transmog/use Shadowmourne, the legendary axe my guild trusted me to forge as our only one before Catac, the weapon I love more than anything and got me Uther's Tabard

FEELS. FUCKIN. BAD. and I'm Arms. It'd be perfect.

>>49026422
I wish to be able to transmog a legendary if you got it when it was still relevant and hard to get.

>>49026312

Trol'kalar wasn't used by the first king of Strom, just a later Strom warlord who was famous for killing a bunch of trolls.

>>49026557
yeah it's bullshit, even now it still takes months and months to craft it. Let us show off Blizzard fuck. I hate the arms sword skins fucking blizz with their cleaver swords this expo

>Jump into Krosus' bath
>No Tyrion corpse
>No ebon blade to be seen on the assault
Gu-guys.
I think they've got the corpse and were just pretending.

>>49026727
Tyrion survives up until you do the questline to get his shit.

>>49022339
4e because:
1. It's great mechanically
2. It's simple to adapt WoW/Warcraft classes and the bullshit they pull than to do so in other editions
3. Meme-value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gpyc2tQTe4

>>49020695
Literally the one model it's guaranteed not to be.

>>49027138
god damn it now I want to make a warrior!

do we have a new thread?

>>49027909
This thread isn't close to being full, are you a dingus?

>>49026612
Didn't they say you could tranqmig legendaries and transmog non-legendaries into legendaries as well in Legion? Or does it work only for Legion legendaries?

>>49028023
They meant the Legion 'legendaries', which don't even have unique models.

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Was Garrosh tattoed on his jaw as well,or what it simply a stubble?

>>49028149
>Was Garrosh tattoed on his jaw

Yes.

>>49028149
He got tattooed after he was promoted to Warchief. The guy who did it was the apprentice to they guy who did Grom's tats, hell he even helped out with them.

>>49024595
Her eyes are clearly green in that picture.

>>49028196
>Doesn't want to live in daddy's shadow.
>Does everything he can to be just like daddy.
Garrosh was a clusterfuck of bad ideas.

>>49020702
Between wc2 and wc3.
Between RoC and WoW.
I think for an orc center campaign the founding of durator would be really nice. For more evil orcs then going with the old horde remnants after wc2.

Before wc1 is a bit harder imo, unless you're fine with no orcs. You could really start during wc1 and then place the campaign north of azeroth, orc threat is growing down south. Eventually it might not be safe to just hunt down rogue mages for dalaran or aid alterac villages with their gnoll problems once the orcs arrive.

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>>49028393
I didn't notice Gromm had tattoos before today. Probably because they were there only for the WoD version.

>Nipple piercings
Kinky Grommash fel (hue.) to new lows after being emprisonned by Gul'Dan it seems.

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>>49028558
Gromm always had that weird dark-stubble tattoo

>>49028222
Pretty sure anon is referring to the OP picture.

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>>49028558

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>>49028558
Grom's defining feature has always been the pure black chin tattoo, literally since he was first introduced

>tfw no option to join Jaina in killing Hordies while Azeroth burns around you

>>49029230
just stand in Stormwind until Dark Whispers procs you fucking cuck

>>49029230
>tfw no option to join Bolvar and just become part of the new scourge master race

>>49029230
I love that order halls bring horde and alliance players together

>>49029230
>What are battlegrounds
>What are town/city raids

>>49029412
>implying that Jaina will be on the Alliance side for long

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>>49029230
I'd rather join Gul'dan and kill all of you equally.

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>>49029765
'EEEEEYYYYY MON, 'OW YOU BE DOIN' GULDAN-BOSS MON!

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What did she mean by this?

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>>49029891
That her word is as terrible as her writing.

>>49029891
It means Anduin is going to get a beard.
And I don't mean on his face.

>>49025926
It's Doomhammer's plate, he put it back on for Warlords since he was going to be front line fighting.

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>>49029910

>>49029910
Is her writing terrible? I've been wanting to pick up War Crimes.

>>49029943
Her only good stuff is Rise of the Horde and Lord of the Clans.

>>49029765
>t. /r9k/

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>>49029230
>tfw join the scourge and start to police the world
Soon, Arthas' true dream will come to an end.

>>49029930
>>49029981
>making fem Varian tiny and lithe
disgusting. at least give her abs

>>49029959
I thought Arthas wasn't too bad.

>>49030012
I hated it, since it made Arthas such a melancholy killjoy. I've said it a lot before, and I'll say it again, it made him a poor-man's Elric of Melnibone.

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>>49030007
This desuwa.

I'm not super into amazonian women but Fem Varian needs to look like she can wield Shalamayne.

>>49030012
It made him too whiny I thought.

Plus the fucking horse thing, was that always the case in WC3 too? Because I thought the whole horned steed thing meant that the DK mount was a reanimated Legion thing.

>>49030070
Yeah, this. Arthas had some mad bantz in Warcraft 3, I never saw him as sulking and brooding.

>>49030175
Fair enough. It's been a while and I might change my mind if I read it again.

>>49030007
I wouldn't call the second picture tiny, and you can't prove she doesn't have abs.

>>49030197
every portrayal of Arthas outside of WC3 ruined him
>WC3 Arthas
>snarky badass who's essentially Anakin Skywalker done right

>Wrath Arthas
>*teleports behind Drakuru*
>heh, you've failed me for the last time, kiddo
>nothin' personel

>Arthas Arthas
>muh horse

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Hey, I'm working on OSR style Sword & Planet Draenor and I'm one Orc archetype short of having an even 12 (meaning I can have an undecided player roll a d12) to determine what they're working with.

I've got a Beastmaster, Gladiator, Pyre-Keeper, Raider, Blademaster, Half-Breed, Grunt, Shaman, Pale, Ex-Slave, and Kor'kron.

I've got 3 magic-users, 5 expert/and-or/fighter hybrids, and 3 straight up Fighters.

Another magic-user archetype could work, but another expert or expert/fighter could be fine too.

>>49030197
I really wish Arthas was more smug in WoW.
He brought out the worst in everybody. I love how furious he makes Uther when he goes to take the urn; like that "Going to piss on his ashes one last time" line from the most holy of paladins is really funny to hear. Sells the desperation.

>>49029981
>Crazy warrior woman queen and her cute priest son.
That would've been cute as fuck. The more I think about Varian's character in the games the more I realize he's not really defined by his gender at all. He doesn't feel like he's a man, he's a collection of weird traits. Somehow female Varian would seem interesting to me.

Maybe its because it makes me think Anduin would've tried to define himself differently rather than being in his father's shadow.

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>>49030407
>"We may never know, Uther. I intend to live forever."

His bantz to uther were so good. It really showed how he changed.

>>49030407
What about a Shadow Council warlock?

>>49030197
Arthas' cheekiness is what prevented him from being an Elric clone. His bants were GOAT.

Warcraft 3 had so many GOATs, it was a fucking petting zoo.

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>>49030550
Considered throwing in a blatant warlock, but the idea is this is pre-Legion influenced Draenor. The Draenei have just arrived maybe twenty years ago. I have a corruption system based off Defiling from Dark Sun where magic-users can go green and felsworn if they really want to start listening to those evil whispers on the wind that want to be let in.

Going for more of a Conan/John Carter vibe with a heavier emphasis on nomadic Orc Society. Game is starting at the Kosh'harg Celebration by Oshu'gan, and is likely going to involve Challe being a Shapeless One; something leftover from when the Shapers and the Breakers crushed Draenor into being. She's going to kidnap children so she might better infiltrate Orc society, but kids going missing at the only peaceful Orc festival is going to lead to armed conflict unless calmer heads arise (aka, the party being told by their leaders to fix it before shit hits the fan.)

Feels like a decent intro scenario. So working around that framework.

>>49030564
And it helped that he didn't feel like he was an edgy quipster. He was just a King Dickbag. Especially come Frozen Throne time or the end of the Scourge campaign when he gets pissy that since the Legion showed up he doesn't have anything to do.

>Arthas: Sorry we don't have time to chat, great wyrm. We've come to murder you and steal whatever artifacts you've been hoarding over the centuries.

>>49030407
>Hey, I'm working on OSR style Sword & Planet Draenor and I'm one Orc archetype short of having an even 12 (meaning I can have an undecided player roll a d12) to determine what they're working with.

I'd go with necrolyte.
Not entirely sure about the timing, since I only skimmed the pdf.
Warlock seemed to be the most recent type of caster of orcs, shaman the oldest, necrolytes seemed a little older than warlock or at least seen as lower than warlock by gul'dan considering what part they played in the death knight ritual.

Someting warlocky like the other anon suggests could also be a thing.
Shaman who starts taking up Gul'dans warlock magic.


Too clan specific perhaps, but maybe something music inclined from the warsong.
Like a war drummer, or a fighter that does scary orc throat singing during combat to demoralize enemies and buff allies.
So War drum+shamanism or magic throat singing + melee combat.

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>>49030821
Yeah a necrolyte could work. Pyremasters according to the RPG can summon up the dead, but they're always on fire. So doing a type that can just raise up the dead (in a non-burning capacity) could be interesting, especially if their rituals/spells led to a slippery slope of corruption proper.

Giving them a familiar or something to act as a catalyst for the Legion's whisperings could be interesting too. Proto-warlocks essentially, which can exist entirely without the Legion's interference but who with Legion assistance are super efficient.

It is mostly a flavor thing and a determination of starting spells on a chart, but I appreciate the assistance.

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>>49024808
Please.

Best ship coming through.

>>49025287
I honestly think part of it is Blizzard trying to give the Alliance something to be proud about. Remember how bad their attempts at fistpump moments went?

Also, where the fuck are the Night elves and Draenei? The Broken shore alliance side is a Eastern Kingdoms circle-jerk.

>>49031422
huh, you're right. I never really thought of that.
Though besides Velen, the Draenei no longer have a 'face' for this sort of thing. I don't see Velen on the front lines.

>>49031545
dude is keeping a void naru locked up on a ship in fucking space right now

>>49031311
You need some better art, senpai. And kinkier. Those two had a non-consensual relationship with lots of kinky chains and shit.

>>49031565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUU8H7nPaT8

>>49031422
Aren't there some nelf druids assisting during the 'black city' portion and Krosus? And one of two NPCs with dialog on the boat is a night elf male.

The generic NPCs that actually help during the combat portions seem to be semi-randomized. I've noticed different composition when I've run it. 18 times. 2 Horde, 16 Alliance.

>>49031628
I do anon, but there isn't much decent SFW art for the Arthas/Sylvanas ship.

>>49031670
Then link it in imgur.

>>49031641
so the blade can fucking talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSWzlc5JzUc

>>49030888
>Pyremasters according to the RPG
From the warcraft rpg?

>>49031937
Yessir.

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>>49028736
>>49028558

>>49032312
>>49029067
>>49028736
>>49028615
To be fair, I really always thought he was just rocking an Abraham Lincoln or a massive Homer Simpson-style stubble beard. Didn't look too much like a tattoo until WoD, at least not to me.

>>49031872
fuck, I thought it just whispered.

>>49032613
have fun with your knife that is going to mind fuck you!

>>49032613
For beings known to whisper, there's a lot of LOUD SHOUTING going on with the Old Gods.

>>49032855
When you're trapped underneath miles of dirt, got to yell to be noticed.

>>49032769
>tfw can't be assed to level my shadow priest so I won't get a knifewife

>>49034053
you can get every weapon for your class

>>49034053
you can go after other weapons for your spec at level 102

>>49026144
>implying the Mogu werent the best part of post wrath WoW

Only thing better than the Fist is if we actually got playable Mogu. Fuck Pandaren give me sadistic dog people. They're way less evil than Sylvanas.

>>49034593
>They're way less evil than Sylvanas.
There are naga less evil than Sylvanas, and those crazy fuckers are pawns to an Old God.

>>49035078
Fun fact. Sylvanas is actually one of the better of the Forsaken. Their npcs straight up cackle about human experimentation. I feel like she keeps the crazier ones in line by keeping them focused.

>>49035125
A lot of that was done at her behest IIRC.

>>49025548
>> Talisman of the Binding Shard
If you're putting talisman in there may as well include the cloak and ring in the same tier or a new on on the same ish level 'why with this obnoxious grind for a nothing item'

>>49035125
I don't really understand that. Like, they were human once. I know they're undead now, but is it really that easy to forgo their once-human nature?

>>49035204
Nah, not most of it. A lot of it is just good old fashioned Forsaken psychopaths.

>>49035247
I put it on there as more of a joke than anything, since the fact someone got it was purely unintentional.

>>49035248
The curse of undeath is nasty. It will dull even the brightest souls. Since their souls are imperfectly attached to their bodies/the mortal world, they apparently have difficulty feeling positive emotions. And when they do, the emotions literally hurt them. So over time, most start to gravitate to a darker persona, whether they want to or not.

>>49035262
Oh, and also because of the fact that only one fucking player in the entire game makes it rare enough to be worth mentioning.

>>49035248
Well some people are naturally sociopathic, others can become that way after a traumatic event, and lastly they might be so wrapped up in being "evil zombies" that they've internalized it as who they are.

We know they're capable of empathy - they're more like extremely diseased human beings than anything - but the Forsaken you meet are largely psychopathic for whatever reason.

>>49035295
And as one last post-script, I'd like to mention it's the first piece of legendary gear to drop, even though like I mentioned earlier it wasn't supposed to, and it's kind of a miracle someone got it before someone at Blizz noticed and removed it from the loot tables. Which they did (same day no less) when it dropped for Nurfed, though they let Noktyn keep it. He still has it, though the name has been changed and it looks like it hasn't been touched since Wrath.

>>49035285
Can the Forsaken "love" someone in the romantic sense? Not that they can pro-create, let alone fuck, but love and want companionship for someone? I could have swore there was a Love is in the Air questline with this answer but I can't remember what happened.

>>49035443
An undead missed his ghostwife such that he love-drugged large amounts of people?

>>49035326
What about Helcular? He seems like a pretty cool dude and a hell of a lot better motivator than some of the other invasion commanders

>>49022096
that's sorta lewd anon

>>49035443
Yes, they can love. But the sense is both dulled and painful for them. Certain types of undead feel this pain more keenly, such as banshees. But it is generally hard, but not impossible, for a Forsaken to love.

>>49035295
>>49035358
The 1% amulet, truly a story that will live on.
>It's a 'literally who?' for the majority of players.
Son of a bitch.

>>49035443
They're just as capable as you or I, they're just emotionally scarred.

>>49035476
He's Kel'Thuzad's assistant who got lynched before he could become a proper lich.

Fuck him.

I'm a writefag from the Monster Girl thread. If I wrote stories based in Azeroth, would people read them? A reminder that fan-fiction has to have pre-established characters in the story.

>>49035523
Wow, what are you, racist?

>>49035523
But what about his mysterious second rod? He has 2 rods! 2!

Also that was one of my favorite quest lines in vanilla before they fixed it. Fuck southshore
Rip southshore

>>49035703
Only if its about Kel'Thuzad, hes the best

>>49035703

How much smut would be involved?

>>49035816
Anduin tier smut

>>49035816
Dunno if I want to do smut, honestly. I've done so much smut I'm kinda burnt out. I have an idea for a guy who gets disillusioned with the new-Defias under Vanessa. That and a couple other story ideas.

I did have a story idea about a human warlock getting raped by the Eredar Twins though.

>>49035703
Arthas and sylvannis?

>>49035842
Can't rape the willing.

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>>49035703
Does it involve Thrall and Jaina ?

>>49035703
Do smut of wolf Genn and Sylvanas.

>>49035931
I want Jaina to peg Thrall

>>49035937
it already exists, it's bretty gud

>>49035703
Yes, although I would far prefer you use the setting not the characters.

There's far more potential for interesting romance in the setting than the characters

>>49036071
>GnomeLudditeXMechagnome

>>49036063
Link?

>>49035842
Gamon X Baine while the ghost of Cairne watches.

>>49036145
>Grab the bull by the horns, son!

>>49035703
Do Anduin and Lina Whitepaw.

>>49036133
https://forums.darknestfantasyerotica.com/index.php?threads/a-husbands-love.22894/

>>49036125
GoblinXGnome

OrcXHuman

Jungle TrollXBlood Elf

Night ElfXDwarf

Bittersweet forsaken X long lost human lover

>>49035703
Maiev and Illidan violent hatesex?

>>49036234
>no DarkIronXNerubian

>>49036234
>GoblinXGnome
the hatefuck to end all hatefucks

>>49035954
Jaina and Thrall are for tender love and peace

>>49036247
>Feel the hatred of ten THOUSAND years!

>Illidan! I've been waiting for this moment for YEARS!

>>49036292
The fuck did Illidan do to occupy himself for 10,000 years ?

>>49036315
what do you do erry night and erry day?

I guess I should have made it clearer I would rather not do fanfiction.

>>49036315
Maiev

>>49036326
>AnonX/WCLRPGD/

>>49036326
just write about what the fuck you want then goddamn.

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shitty memes aside these threads are a lot fucking better than the /v/ and /vg/ wow threads.

Wonder how long before the mods get rid of them. Really don't want to go back to /v/ to discuss wow at fucking all.

We're discussing lore when it comes to the rpg. What are you talking about?

>>49036650
these threads have happened on and off since April and consecutively since mid July, the only time I've ever seen one get deleted is if OP forgets to mention TTRPGs or if someone takes Garithosposting too far

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>>49024245
>>49024268
>tfw no one uses my ZFG.HC
Feels pretty rad.

>>49036655
moar RUNES when?

>>49036650
It's fine as long as it's stays relevant and doesn't just become /wowg/ tg edition

Even talking specifically about the game is relevant, for faithful translations to tabletop. Even though any translation of WoW at this point has to be super toned down in a lot of ways.

>>49036816
Never.
Ever.

On that note, what would be the lore on a new warcraft RTS? Would they have to go further in the future? My bet is they redo Warcraft 1 and 2 with new graphics.

How does one justify playing as a warlock these days? Vanilla and TBCI just imagined my guy was simply a mercenary mage who was tapping into fel power to do jobs. But now i'm apparently a super hero, savior type and it doesn't really fit anymore.

The only way I can see it these days is playing as an affliction troll and saying I'm doing voodoo.

So how do you guys justify heroic warlocks?

>>49036988
You are the first line of defense against the Legion. The most in-tune to it's power and therefore the best at detecting it

You fight fire with fire, turning the power of the Legion against it, enslaving its minions and forcing them to do battle against their former masters.

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Sylvanas is for ______

>>49037040
being the one true queen

>>49036988
Similar to Demon Hunter justification.
Arguably Warlocks have better control over their fel influence, too, considering they actually enslave demons to their will. Ambiguous? Yeah, but whatever works.

The way I frame it
Demon Hunters = Two birds with one stone
Warlocks = One bird with one bird

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>>49037040
Icy Hot Dickings

>>49037040
next raid boss

>>49037007
>>49037064

So a i'm the best at what I do and what I do is enslave my enemies and make them kill each other? I can see that working.

It still bothers me a bit that Khadgar spent all of WOD shit talking warlocks and then saying what a great and heroic warlock I was.

>>49036988

The alliance does actually openly support Warlocks. though

If you read War Crimes, Varian's response to shit hitting the fan is literally "They may have dragons, but we have warlocks!"

>>49037096
nice try Jaina

>>49036988
I don't. When I was RPing, I was a Warlock who had been a member of the Legion, cast down for being arrogant enough to challenge a Dreadlord to a duel.
Biding my time, gathering power, seeking revenge and to take my place amongst the Legion once again.

>>49037109
>It still bothers me a bit that Khadgar spent all of WOD shit talking warlocks and then saying what a great and heroic warlock I was.
That's the Devs talking. They hate Warlocks.
You know that glide thing with demon wings that Demon Hunters have?
Guess which class has been asking for that for years? Go ahead. Take a guess.

>>49037139
PALADINS

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>>49037149
Yes. Yes, anon. Paladins, the symbols of pure light were the ones asking for the demon wings with which to glide.
Good job.

>>49037139
Ohh I'm well aware of it. I dropped WOD fairly early on after Highmaul opened and have only just started playing again, but I really do miss demonic leap.

>>49037175
I seem to be one of the few people who actually like Dark Apotheosis, at least for questing and PVP.

>>49037186
The new demonology is taking a bit of getting used to in any case. Arguably it's more fitting though. Wish I could enjoy affliction more than I do though, I find it quite dull personally.

>>49037139
How about demon hunters as a whole being their own class instead of a warlock spec like they fucking should be?

>>49037225
(You)

>>49037225
>Demon hunters
>Should be a warlock spec
Anon...

>>49037139
I just want some mobility beyond a 1.5 minute long-ass teleport.

Especially now that Demonology is 'hurl imps at everything while standing in place' the spec.

>>49037216
I like the concept behind the new Demonology. I always did like having a lot of demons to command.
But the execution is fucking abysmal. The summon, cast a buff, summon, cast a buff, cast hand of Guldan, buff the imps, cast observer, realize it's not doing anything because you didn't cast Doom, oh wait, target's dead.
Move on.

Affliction, with Siphon Life back, is a lot like what I liked about it in Vanilla. Once Honor Talents become available, Drain Tanking will be back in full force.
Only issue is, NuAffliction lacks any direct damage that's not a drain. I've run into several mobs that I can't use anything but DoTs on because they're not biological and so Drain Life doesn't work and it fucking sucks to stand there tending DoTs rather than doing more damage.
Basically, Affliction needs Shadow Bolt back.
It also needs a better AOE than the dogshit mess they've turned Seed of Corruption into.

Destro is functioning fine, it's just weak as fucking shit right now, especially Chaos Bolt. Not to mention, Blizzard forgot to update spell animations if you have green fire.

>>49037225
t. Kanthred Ebonlocke

>>49037248
Yeah, and our one reliable escape, the teleport, is a fucking talent now.
Fuck you, Blizzard.

>>49037249
>It also needs a better AOE than the dogshit mess they've turned Seed of Corruption into.
they need to give them a blade flurry like effect
"your spells now affect all enemies within 10 yards of the target, but all your mana costs are increased by 100%", or something like that

>>49037254
It's a shame since they got the whole demon army thing down but it becomes so incredibly dull without movement. Even just a 'switch places with a (random) demon' would be fun.

>>49023493
I hate that they don't have unique models.

>>49023493
I'll admit I levelled a Demo Warlock through invasions just so I could have that bomb-ass floating skull.

I hope it chatters or some shit while you cast.

>>49037249
It's enjoyable enough, but you're right in that it does get pretty boring quickly, doombolt might make it a bit more interesting if you have the set and the trinket from Archimonde, but I don't know.

Thinking about giving elemental shaman or my fire mage a go now, but I always feel so squishy when I play mage these days. And my shaman is sitting on level 50 with no professions.

They're still easier to imagine as heroes than the warlock though, even if my mage is only in it for profit and explosions.

>>49037305
Yeah, in addition to my warlock, I just leveled a Rogue, my Paladin, my Priest, made a Demon Hunter and have gotten my Death Knight to 96 now with the Invasions.
I feel like a masochist for keep coming back to the game that pisses me off because I've always been a Warlock.

>>49037338
actually not being able to spam rain of fire when I'm clearing old instances is what bothers me more than anything.

>>49037407
Yeah. Or, as a long time Demon, player, I loathe the lack of Hellfire.
Especially the talent that let me cast it while running.

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What's the distinction between a Human DK and a Forsaken DK?

>>49037428
One makes sense and the other is horse shit.

>>49037428
Forsaken were human, died to first plague, raised or "freed" by Sylvanas, died again, raised by Arthas(possibly again), given power, given freedom by Tirion.

>>49037425
the slow crawl to 4 buttons continues.

>>49037244
Different anon but melee spec warlock could be fun.

>>49037498
Melee warlock seems kinda antithetic to the idea. especially with DH being playable now.

Personally I'd like to see Warlocks converting demon pets/summoned demons into Mana/Cooldown abilities

>>49037498
Demon Hunters ARE melee Warlocks. They made a whole new class instead of a spec. Paladins are sorta melee Priests too, now we just need an arcane warrior.

>>49037428
Really its just a different process. Making a DK is more time consuming, but they are also more powerful. They also don't seem to have as rotten a body as Forsaken, so that's nice.

When you get right down to it, all form of undeath is just a difference in the process. For example, a new goal for the Ebon Blade is to create a new Four Horsemen. The process in making these guys is supposed to differ from making normal DKs, but they will be much stronger.

>>49037526
I want to see a cloth tank.

I'd like to see disc priests as tanks actually.

>>49037709
Warlock tanks were already a thing and they were retarded

>>49037709
>3 plate tanks
>3 leather tanks
>0 cloth tanks
>0 mail tanks
this annoys the fuck out of me
demonology and survival reworked into tanks when

>>49037718
I mean more than just certain niche situations.

>>49037720
>survival
>tank
>people wanted melee hunters back since the first fucking patch
I hate you

>>49037709
I just hate how crowded leather is. 4 classes fighting over drops was part of why BC got annoying with just three. And adding the DH to the Paladin/Priest/Warlock token just makes that even more unwieldy. They should have made DH into Mail wearers, even if it didn't make a lot of sense.

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I know I bitch about updating and fixing Silvermoon, but ffs

>>49037775
>They should have made DH into Mail wearers,
the only armor Illidan is ever shown wearing is cloth shorts, so they could have given us literally anything and justified it

>>49037765
BM works too, give them back Eyes of the Beast and make it easier to switch between them on a whim

>>49037797
>BM works too, give them back Eyes of the Beast and make it easier to switch between them on a whim
Too bad Glyph of Misdirection is gone, and they decided the effects weren't actually worth making baseline.

>>49037775
> 4 classes fighting over drops was part of why BC got annoying with just three
Good thing we have personal loot now!

>>49037805
>Too bad Glyph of Misdirection is gone, and they decided the effects weren't actually worth making baseline.
I agree with this with Glyph of Path of Frost