Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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>>48999571

gas the forsaken race war now

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nth for best ship

xth for Maiv best elf.

>>49006600

She doesn't have a unique model because 99.9% of the time she's in full armor that IS unique.

>>49006638
>99.9% of the time she's in full armor that IS unique.
Only nelf to maintain her modesty

>>49006652
Who know what else covers themselves to maintain their modesty? Mooslims. Your girl is literally a mooslim.

>>49006689
come on man, it's 2016. 2016, the current year. There's nothing wrong with Muslims.

>>49006611
Did you think we had forgotten?

>>49006582
Arthas rocking out in post-TFT credits was so good.

>tfw no rare axe drop made from the Frozen Throne you can use to rock out with like Arcanite Ripper.

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reminder that this is the best ship.

>>49006689
Furion doesn't say that she has to maintain her modesty or else rock giants will throw themselves at her.
That makes her different from farraki.

Will South Park ever make another WoW episode? I wish they made one about the twisted fucking TARDIS plot of WoD

The best ship is Turalyon and Alleria.
Sadly now blizzard remembers them so of course it'll be ruined.

>>49006784
I'm glad they didn't.

>>49006753
>DreadlordxLich King
eh, i'll ship it, why the fuck not?

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>>49006753
I agree. Pure aryan love is best love.

>>49006488
How about spend more than a minute negotiating or actually call for the leader of the Wardens and speak with her?

>>49006867
didn't know they were indo iranian people

>>49006900
>call a psycho bitch who will say no
>the legion is going to the world tree.

>>49006600
>what is her normal model

>>49006938
She wasn't a psycho bitch yet. Tyrande helped push her to that point.

>>49007028
>stay in isolation for 10k years with your prisoner
>don't become psycho

>>49007028
She was always a psycho bitch. There's no way she'd have said 'yeah bruh it's cool you can have him'.

>>49007043
>>49007049
Psycho bitches fuck like animals though. I'd be all for her kinkyness.

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Thralls death when?

>>49007092
remember when a blizzard guy told that warcraft is the story of thrall?

>>49007092
Does Metzen really do coke, or is that some joke?

>>49007127
have you seen him at a panel.
That dude has a stash of coke in the bathroom.

>>49007104
Remember when Activision bought Blizzard, and it no longer was their intellectual property?

>>49007191
it would explain a whole fuckton of things about WoD.

>>49007255
he doesn't even do warcraft anymore.
its all kosak and the meme team

>>49007127
Metzens cokekeeper is an official job at Blizzard.

>>49007043
She was fanatical, not psycho. But seeing her Watchers, including Naisha, repeatedly butchered and then Malf and Tyrande not do shit about it, and even let her go, started to drive her over the edge.

>>49007083
This

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>>49006611
This won't become a meme, no matter how long you try to make it one.

>>49007312
So memes are worse than cocaine? We need to criminalise memes.

>>49007412
>She was fanatical, not psycho.
Semantics. Both lead to irrational behavior and an inability to be reasoned with. Just that one can be managed with drugs and therapy that no one had available when trying to get a demon hunter out of prison.

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>>49006626
>muh niggah
When will these two just fuck and get all that tension out? Then they can finally calm the fuck down and fight the Legion together.

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So everyone itt agrees Illidan recreating the Well of Eternity was the correct thing to do, right? He was absolutely right when he said the demons would be back. We needs dat magic mojo, mon.

>>49007412
>illidan is exiled from night elf lands at end of nelf tft campaign
>maiev goes nuts and chases after him into another planet.
yeah, totally balanced and sane minded.

>>49007514
>Semantics. Both lead to irrational behavior and an inability to be reasoned with
You mean like Tyrande?

All nelves are crazy.

and the crazier they are, the better they fuck

>>49007550
he was absolutely wrong when he said that.
Later lore changes contrived to make him right.

Its like rewriting the history books to say that operation barbarossa was defensive because the soviets were going to invade.

>>49007565
That was AFTER everything I just mentioned, asshat.

>>49007550
It wasn't a GOOD idea, since 'giant pool of magical energy' would get the Legion working double time to invade again. But he at least had a rational thought process, so it wasn't a BAD idea. Overall, not the dumbest thing Illidan has done.

But Illidan has a tendency to go way overboard, ruining what would have been otherwise decent ideas. I wonder what he was planning to do with the other vials he took...

>>49007550
Honestly, still not a big fan of arcane and fel magics being made separate with the recent lore books. Lore changes make him right, but at the time it seemed like a really stupid idea because arcane magic in high concentrations inevitably would attract demons.

>>49007578
What lore changes? The Legion came back in wc3, the game that introduced Illidan as a character.

>>49007602
Remember though that the demons had already come to Azeroth. Destroying the Well doesn't mean they're just going to ignore the world that defeated them. Even without the retcons, there's still a good chance they come back. Illidan was right, before and after the changes.

>>49007617
they came back because the well of eternity had been remade. The demons could use it as a portal to summon sargeras.

Its cutting a leg off your chair because you enjoy it when it rocks a little.

>>49007583
no it wasn't. She was obsessive and crazy. She told malf that the leader of the night elven people was dead because she wanted illidan to die just that badly.

>>49007617
>>49007642
Up until the most recent separation of fel and arcane magics (instead of fel being a subschool), Arcane Magic was inevitably corrupting, even if the most disciplined mages could slow the process somewhat. Strong enough mages were ticking timebombs into becoming fel users basically.

Is malfurion the most boring night elf character?

Maiev, Illidan and Tyrande are all fun to me.
Furion seems a bit soft compared to the others maybe.

>>49007578
The lore didn't change Illidan to being right about making a new Well of Eternity. Stop taking the "Illidan is a dindu" meme at face value.

>>49007674
Was that the case? I thought it was dangerous if you were using it recklessly, but if it was used properly and with caution, things were fine. After all the Nelves were using magic for a long ass time without anything going wrong. Also Dalaran seemed to handle it fine.

>>49007691
tyrande and malfurion are equally boring and irrelevant. the best thing you can say about tyrande is that atleast she didn't nap for ten thousand years

>>49007703
The entire reason the legion wanted to invade was because of the giant well of eternity.
That was what the world tree was supposed to protect from, by siphoning away it's magical energy.

Illidan remaking the well was the entire reason the legion returned to azeroth.

>>49007602
Arcane and fel magic have been separate sources since Warcraft III. Related, yes, but separate.

>>49007691
He's the generic wise guy character. I like him for what he is though, being generic doesn't necessarily mean being bad. He doesn't do much in WoW though, which is probably more the problem.

>>49007732
Yes, and the canon view is still that Illidan making a new Well of Eternity was a bad idea.

>>49007732
That was one reason of course. Do you really think they wouldn't want vengeance on the world that defeated them once though? Even without the Tree of Eternity they likely would've attacked.

>>49007706
>>49007742
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Arcane
Luckily, wowwiki hasn't updated in a while so it has pre-retcon stuff.
>Magic is corrupting
>Magic corrupts the soul; if the humblest person in Azeroth became a practitioner of the arcane, by the time the practitioner reached the higher levels in their art, all traces of her humble roots would be lost. Magic breeds pride and arrogance. Magic corrupts the body; it ages the caster before their time and hastens the blight that the world inflicts on things fair and beautiful. Those who claim that only necromancy and fel magic have a destructive influence are fooling themselves.

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>>49007565
So she's a bit clingy. Some chicks get a bit weird after being dumped. Give her some time to cool her hot head.

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>>49007779
>wowwiki

>>49007706
>Also Dalaran seemed to handle it fine.

they did make themselves a target for demons though

>Let this scar signify the first blow against the mortal world
>From this seal shall arise the doom of men,
>who, in their arrogance, sought to wield our fire as their own.
>Blindly they build their kingdoms upon stolen knowledge and conceit.
>Now they shall be consumed by the very flame they sought to control.

>>49007779
Yeah, it's corrupting, but not to the extent of fel magic. Arcane magic is easier to tame.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Arcane#The_laws_of_arcane_magic

It's still canon, by the way; it is even sourced from WoW itself.

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Anyone know the name of the fanfic where Illidan commits suicide by kissing Vashj? Read it a decade ago and can't find it now.

>>49006582
>Warcraft Lore
Now not to be presumptuous or anything but it's that just;

"Someone gets corrupted, looks like the people who don't like each other very much will have to team up!"
or
"Some sort of omnicidal shitkickers have kick down our door, looks like the people who don't like each other very much will have to team up!"

>>49007929
yeah.
pretty much

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>>49007880
Fair point. Counterpoint: the fact entire societies run on arcane magic means there's obviously ways to mitigate the danger of corruption. The people going mad from corruption are likely the freelancers, the poorly-trained and the reckless.

>>49007706
>Also Dalaran seemed to handle it fine.
Do you know why Dalaran is a thing?

After the troll wars the high elves were worried about human magic attracting demons, so they told/helped/asked the humans to concentrate their magic in a place behind wards.
Wards that could keep the magic hidden from demons.

Still magic was known to humans and still used outside of those wards, so the council of tirisfal was formed and the guardian was created to chase down demons that managed to find themselves to Azeroth.

>>49007929
>it's
isn't
>kick down
kicked down

God I must be tired I sound like I'm translating from polish, maybe I've been corrupted.

>>49007312
I thought he had the final say or something.

>>49008030
he took the titan crash personally and is devoted to overwatch.

>>49008042
It was their first true failure, Metzen must have been crushed that he bought an ounce less of his nose clams

>>49008056
bruh, Starcraft ghost was a thing.

>>49007949
The way I look at it is that arcane magic IS corrupting, but the wide education available allows its users to control it better. That, and although it can be bad, it's still not as bad as fel, where you're pretty much guaranteed to either blow up or go full demon.

>>49008078
Ghost didn't have nearly as much money and time funneled into it as Titan did though, let's be real.

>>49007550
>can't wait to see ancient Kalimdor
>do Dragon Soul
>It's just HE and NE assets in the woods upstate

Pretty, but disappointed.

>>49008117
To be fair, expecting them to create all new assets just for one dungeon is a bit insane.

>>49008115
yeah, titan was cancelled because it would probably clash with destiny.

>>49007986
>Wards that could keep the magic hidden from demons.
Scratch that.
I was looking up a source for it. I was sure that was what I read, but I can't find it anymore.

Maybe I assumed that's what they did in Dalaran since the Elves of Quel'Thalas did with their runestones, barriers for arcane magic so demons couldn't sense them.

>>49008114
Right, that's pretty much what I thought. The corruption aspect is interesting though, because obviously warlocks become more demonic as they get corrupted, but what happens to corrupted arcane users after the changes to magic?

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>>49007779
>Magic breeds pride and arrogance. Magic corrupts the body; it ages the caster before their time and hastens the blight that the world inflicts on things fair and beautiful.

To be honest many (most?) of the human and elf magic users absolutely contradict that claim. Maybe it was anti-magic propaganda all along.

>>49008178
>but what happens to corrupted arcane users after the changes to magic?
You start thinking maybe a fel supplement would work well with my magic.

>>49008146
Maybe if they kept it a raid as they said they would.

Another broken promise thanks to Titan

>>49008161
If I remember right, Dalaran was just a city state that grew for the shared desire to learn more about magic.

With so much arcane magic being used in one area without any precautions, demons started popping up everywhere and wrecking everything. Some of the best mages in Dalaran tried to manage the demons, and failed.

So they went to High Elves for help, and that is where the Guardian of Tirisfall came from. Lets put a bunch of magic into one person so they can manage the demon shit.

>>49008193
illusions

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>>49008114
What if I just want a very happy unbirthday party?

>>49008225
Magic is something an elf does for money.

>>49008221
Maybe not demons popping up everywhere, but at least popping up at all and becoming a problem.
Yeah that seems to be what happened.


In my headcanon the elves also help with warding Dalaran for more mundane arcane use, just like they warded Quel'Thalas.

>>49008246
Not everywhere, but some coming through the twisting nether into Dalaran, and causing enough trouble for the council to address it and worry about public opinion.

I imagine once Dalaran asked for help from the Elves, and learned more about the history of arcane magic and demons, that they would have taken steps with wards and the sort.

Also I think the orgin of Dalaran is the second generation of mages, who learned from the original 100, or 1,000 I don't remember the number, from the troll wars.

They didn't share the same sense of importance and care in the use of magic like the first gen did.

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Thoughts on these? Do they exist in your campaign?

>>49008291
>Also I think the orgin of Dalaran is the second generation of mages, who learned from the original 100, or 1,000 I don't remember the number, from the troll wars.

Yeah that is likely.
I feel like 100 is not enough to found Dalaran.

I guess the maybe the 100 with families, servants and followers could, but most likely second generation.
>They didn't share the same sense of importance and care in the use of magic like the first gen did.

Also because of that

>>49008292
Spellbreakers are a thing so they exist.

Rune punch mages would not, nor would tech slayer. Punchmage is just a monk, and Techslayer would just be a dumdum warrior.

>>49008319
>and Techslayer would just be a dumdum warrior.

The picture doesn't really do them justice.
The little info there is of them, makes mention that people close to nature like shamans and druids can take the techslayer path.

It's basically studying technology, and using technology to fight technology.

Druid using some tech, maybe specializes in bombing venture co facilities to protect nature.
Through his engineering he knows where to strike and can use bombs to aid him.

>>49008319
Punchmage is an arcane monk

>>49007642
Without the retcon of Azeroth being a baby titan, the Legion didn't necessarily have a particular interest in Azeroth other than getting pissed off at failing to invade. However, huge sources of magic is something they want, so the Well of Eternity both acts as huge beacon for demons, and gives them a strategic reason to invade Azeroth.

>>49007550
According to that picture, the moon was a lot bigger in pre-Sundering Azeroth. That's like 10 times the size of it in WoW.
Also, did they ever re-add the second moon in WoW? It disappeared sometime during vanilla (something about implementing weather effects somehow messing it up), and I can't recall seeing it since, despite Azeroth having too moon still being mentioned in the lore.

>>49008030
He technically has, but from what I understands he's busy running the company and so high up the chain of command he rarely has any idea what the people writing the story are actually up to, so most of the time it apparently boils down to somebody calling him and saying they have this idea for a story, and if he approves of it, and he goes "sure, whatever" and goes back to doing coke.

>>49008577
Yeah, it's back on Azeroth. I think Mists, maybe Cata?

Don't know about the expansion continents though.

Does legion bring darker nights back to WoW yet?

>>49008839
>darker nights
that is genuinely something that would lure me back.

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>>49008988
You have no idea man.

I remember questing in redridge mountains back in the day at night. Shit was fun as fuck.I'm not memeing when I think a good part of the games soul died when they removed the day/night cycle.

>>49008988
>>49009032
You think you want dark nights back, but you don't

>>49008839
Not entirely and not as it was. The legion event zones are basically in daylight, but I'm not sure if that's because if the event or not.

>>49007464
>So memes are worse than cocaine?
have you played through Westfall post-Cata? They are

>>49009099
Alright, Activision. Thanks for Correcting the Record!

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>>49009099
Fuck you asshole. Duskwood will never be the same.

Getting mauled to death by the murder machine that was the Sons of Arugal in the dead of night was terrifying. My best memories are watching the stars in the Barrens, relaxing while questing and seeing the cities light up at night.

>>49009229
Holy hell, I miss that. There has to be a mod you can do to bring it back.

>>49009229
Thats beautiful. Was that what it was really like? Those feels when mist babby.

>>49009251
Nope. Blizzard gets mega anal over graphics affecting mods.

>>49009099
thanks Ion

>>49006623
That's so cute.

Why did they never become a thing? They were perfect for each other. They worked well together.

>>49009254
iktf bro
I really enjoyed nostalrius despite the QoL changes blizzard brought. I actually felt like I was in an RPG, playing my warrior, getting better by making my own gear and food and all that shit.

>>49009259
They ought to bring it back as a graphic option then. Just so people who bitch "waaahh I can't see anything" don't ruin it.

>>49007664
Yes it was. She didn't jump through the portal until after all of those shenanigans.

She started chasing him down because he was a demon burning his way across the land and unleashing naga. At that point, he was working for the Burning Legion and seemed to be up to his old troubles. She had a job to do, and was doing it.

>>49009322
What ever happened with Nost? Did Blizz back down?

>>49009354
then she heard that illidan had left them and was being peacefully exiled
she went batshit crazy and chased after him and got captured.
>>49009314
>they were perfect for each other
no

>>49007691
Yeah, he's pretty boring. I mean, if people like him, that's cool, but he's not my cup of tea. For as long as I've known of the night elves, I've always preferred Illidan and Maiev's narrative.

>>49009373
Blizz had to shut them down, an online petition went up saying "there's an interest for vanilla legacy servers, and Nost's success proves it" with Mark Kern (former WoW team lead iirc) saying he'd deliver it in person to Blizzard if it hit 200k signatures. It did, it got delivered, Nost devs got invited to Blizz HQ and they talked about "stuff" and what was confirmed was that Blizz still has backups of Vanilla servers as part of standard backup procedures. The implication being Blizz might change their opinion on legacy servers.

>>49009099
Hold on, I never noticed, there's no day/night cycle anymore
Like, it's always sunny in Durotar? Even at 2 am?

>>49009442
If they can successfully implement things like LFG, transmog and the heirloom system into a legacy server I'd consider it.

>>49009483
Yes. A large part of it is CRZ fucking over the realm's clock.

>>49009381
>peacefully exiled
>He burns villages
>goes after the eye of Sargeras
>rapes Northrend

Y'know what? I'm just gonna stop.

>>49009509
I wouldn't do LFG. I'd keep transmog and barbers though.

>>49009483
it's always sunny in Orcadelphia

If I wanted to read some of the Warcraft novels, what's the best starting point?

>>49009541
Last Guardian by Jeff Grubb.

>>49009442
>and they talked about "stuff"
It was just metzen keeping one of the nost devs in a headlock while shouting incoherently

>>49009539
Well I meant the group finder more. Finding 40 fucking people for those raids was a pain in the ass.

>>49009541
don't

>>49009510
>saves tyrande
>says that he is leaving azeroth for good
>maiev runs after him to bring him back to his cell.

>>49009541
I just read Illidan last night. It was decent enough, though I think it's a safe bet to say you'll never get a literary masterpiece from any licensed book. Entertaining enough, none of the characters in it were awful, events progressed at a smooth rate.


Last chapter completely shat the bed, but I've already managed to forget it.

>>49009630
didn't willy king write that?

>>49009639
He did indeed.

>>49009656
he seems to have gone meh.
His later G&F books were also weird.

>>49009680
Wait, he came back to Gotrek and Felix? Last I heard of it someone else had taken over the series, Nathan Long or someone? He wrote Manslayer I think and it was kinda meh.

>>49009586
pretty much this. You can argue about the effects LFG had on the game's community, but there is no reason to not add the group finder, it's literally just an objectively better meeting stone

>>49009541

Rise of the Horde is a good place to start, deals with stuff before the games. There's War of the Ancients if you can stand Knaak and his desire to make Warcraft into D&D.

>>49009509
> if they could make it not vanilla, I'd play vanilla

I might disagree with their design philosophy since Wrath, but let's not go full retard. Things changed for a reason.

>>49009630
Yeah, I finished Illidan last week and thought it was fun, if nothing else.

>>49009608
>Saves one chick who he's crushed on for years
>kills hundreds, if not thousands of others.
>Goes to outland, proceeds to fuck over the local populace
Face it. You can't excuse away Illidan's crimes.

Unless you're Blizzard.

>>49009314
Because Metzen wanted Thrall to get with an orc

>>49009743
PROUD BROWN WOMAN YOU MEAN

We should really start a /tg/ guild. Anyone on Boulderfist?

I promise no memes or cancer.

>>49009695
long's books were better than the later willy books imo

>>49009726

What local populace? The people in Shattrath who seemed to be left alone when the whole thing with the Scryers? The orcs going crazy and turning red over demon juice? The sporelings?

>>49009756
God fuck Aggra. Anyone have that screen cap of that essay on how she's the reason Thrall has gone to shit

>>49009778
Moon Guard. Lets transform Goldshire into a place of lore.

>>49009711
I played vanilla. Leveling was faster than other games for sure (Hell levels and experience loss when you died anyone?), but it still gets old. Heirlooms reduce that grind. Transmog is a neat thing that I liked, and not getting stuck in AQ gear would be nice. And the Group Finder is waaaaaay more useful than having your group leads sit in IF spamming LFG. Or do you want to go full vanilla and have the AH only in IF again?

>>49009726
To be fair, prior to the Illidan novel we never had an exposition on what Illidan was actually doing. It was clear he was fighting the Legion somehow, but we never really saw anything of it as players or fans. The novel pitches in a bit and shows Illidan as not a complete retard, but still stupid.

The last two chapters of the novel are just dumb mistakes and the story suffering because Black Temple raid had to happen guys.

I was rolling my eyes for that entire chapter, referring to "a combined raid on the Black Temple", mentioning different classes fighting him on the rooftop and getting Akama, Illidan and Maiev's lines down from the game absolutely sucked. Blizzard have gone on record and said that what happens in WoW isn't necessarily how it happens, there's no reason to rip the dialogue straight from the game, especially when it sucks.

>>49009808
Neither, I think the idea is rooted in nostalgia and ill conceived. I just note the irony.

>>49009829

Because until the novel we were lead to believe Illidan was just insane, with no reason to think he was doing anything in particular other than being crazy.

>>49009778
>mfw Europe
>mfw French server so I'd probably be lost in the middle of all the English terms
I've switched the text and coices to english but at least the players still speak French

>>49009842
I like aspects of Vanilla, but its gameplay hasn't aged well. Then again, I vividly remember mob trains from EQ, and falling off of that FUCKING tree city.

>>49009845
To be fair, the novel doesn't exactly tout his Sanity. He thinks he's sane but few else do, the only people that agree are those that have seen the end of the Universe. And who'd trust those guys?

>>49009857
>French
>tfw spanish
la verga de Sanguino esta en sombraluna.

>>49009857
If you can use 4chan, you speak with us.

>>49009800
I agree with this

>>49009800
I'm imaging people performing Shakespeare to drown out the yiffers

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What point in WoW did you truly accept that the writing was fucked and the lore would always be garbage? For me it was how completely sloppily Sylvanas and Garrosh were handled.
>in Cataclysm, Sylvanas as painted as literally evil and Garrosh is actually an okay guy despite being kind of a dick
>in Pandaria, their roles completely flop and Garrosh is suddenly evil for literally no reason besides muh Old Gods
>Garrosh gets crazier and crazier even without the Old God corruption until he is killed by faggot cheater Thrall
>Sylvanas, who had originally been planning on plaguing ALL life on Azeroth, murdered Genn's son, among other things, is completely whitewashed in MoP and Legion
>Vol'jin, who did literally nothing as warchief, dies for the sole purpose of Sylvanas' development as a Mary Sue
It's like watching a bad fanfiction get worse.

>>49010151
around the time theramore got nuked.

>>49010151
Cata.

>>49010151

The Warcraft 2 manual

>>49010224
this
>originally the orcs were on Azeroth for decades before attacking the humans
>hurr durr it was actually only a few months

How would a campaign set in Dalaran's early stages be? Where Dalaran is new, and the whispers in the taverns are of weird nightmarish beasts killing people and leaving bodyparts scattered everywhere. Rooms locked from in the inside become slaughterhouses, back alleys full of butchered pickpockets, hobos fleeing the sewers, and most disturbingly, wizard's desiccated corpses.

>>49010151
lorelol back in tbc

>>49010102
We could transform it into a university town. Goldshire inn could just be the frat/sorority house.

>>49009800
I'd join a /tg/ guild on moonguard. Would there be an alliance and a horde version?

>>49010151
Wrathgate and Bolivar's awful fucking speech. Killing the aspect of magic for being right didn't help either.

Actually, come to think about it, Wrath was one giant hit on Malygos - Arthas was just a side note for the Kirin Tor.

>>49010458
Lambda Lambda Lambda?

>>49010489
It depends on what everyone wants.

>>49010151
Post War Crimes is when things got shit imo.

>>49010512
Can someone walk me through the events in this post? I got Northrend loremaster, recently too, but none of this is ringing a bell.

>>49010539
I might end up finally playing alliance again if /tg/ did end up making a guild

>>49010574
Even then, we'd have to decide the premise.

>>49010512
Wasn't Malygos going to like, straight up destroy the planet if we let him do what he was going to do?
I mean I can agree with the concept of "fuck mages" but we kind of need the planet

>>49010593
Feels like everyone wanted to destroy the planet in WotLK

>>49010593
I remember seeing "Realm First!: Malygos Slain!" while questing. It was by Ropetown.

>>49010611
except Arthas, he wanted to save it

>>49010593
He's basically woke up and saw that *everyone* was using magic and realized how bad a fucking idea it was, considering the general state of about Azeroth had become and told Dalaran and Quel'Thalas to quit or he'd smite them.

This was bad for business so the Kirin Tor moved to Northrend to kill his ass while preaching to the Horde and Alliance that they kill the Lich King (who was sending new batches of plague around the world like the Una-Bomber of moldy grain).

>>49010780
So wait, am I just misremembering or wasn't there the whole thing with him moving the ley lines around and it would basically kill everything if he actually went through with it?

>>49010818
when you fight him he says that the Eye of Eternity holds enough power to destroy the planet 10 times over, but doesn't elaborate how or if he would

>>49010818
You don't find out that he's planning to do that until you get hip deep into the Coldarra. Otherwise, the Blue Flight are just out to kill as many mages as possible. The Blue Dragonshrine questline is all about slowing down the process until the Kirin Tor can think of a way to fix it, bar killing Malygos. And of course as the Discipline Artifact shows, the Kirin Tor still can't fix the Nexus.

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>>49010593
>I mean I can agree with the concept of "fuck mages"
>mfw Mage player

>>49011116
Maybe you should've thought of that before you decided to be a magic wielding heretic my friend

I'm convinced that WoW lore and shit went downhill the same time the beginning cinematics from each expansion went away from the player characters. You know, how in Vanilla and TBC they had the random classes/races doing stuff? That's when I feel like it started going downhill.

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Where the FUCK is Wrathion? Following him on his legendary questline was awesome, the Legions here and he's nowhere to be seen. The hell?

>>49011197
He's on everyone's shitlist ever since he masterminded Garrosh's cross-dimensional/time-hopping prison break.

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>>49011157
>mage
>magic using heretic
That's now how you spell Warlock.

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>>49011116
Did you have fun at WotLK launch? I know i did

>>49011197
Anduin is keeping him all to himself, naked and chained to the foot of his bed.

>>49011290
Fuck you. Death Knights were fucking retarded to fight against back then.

>>49011197
He was in Highmountain, but was removed because stalking you as a Tauren, then never explaining why was considered bizarre.

>>49011320
They cut out all the fun abilities by this point

>>49011361
Death Gripping smarmy ranged DPS classes off of their perches in world PvP will never not be the highlight of pvp for me. Especially AMSing all that frontloaded damage.

>>49011320
Remember the DK glyph that made standing in death and decay stun you?

I sure do.

>>49011283
Worry not brother, the holy light will cast out both mages and warlocks alike

>>49011306
I can find no porn of Anduin and Wrathion. It's always him and Garrosh for some reason.

Am I looking in the right places?

>>49011327

Also him suddenly wanting to protect uncorrupted black dragon eggs, when his MO before was killing every black dragon that wasn't him.

>>49011391
As a player of a class with historically shit mobility(warlock), yes. Yes, I do remember that.
It was absolute bullshit and I can't believe anyone at Blizzard thought it was balanced.
>>49011361
They've done that for all classes at this point.

>>49011469
I know you're lying. I know you know where to find it.
I know you're just trying to get people to post it here.

>>49011477
Well he does have to propagate the species somehow.
And reviving his Auntie Onyxia again probably isn't the most appealing way to get some dragon pussy.

>>49011477
He just wanted to off anyone who was older than him/still Old God corrupted. I'm surprised he hasn't travelled to Outland to try and off Baron Sableman/Sabellian.

>>49011391
it's a talent for blood DKs now

>>49011493
>where to find it
so it _is_ difficult

give me your secrets

>>49011525
Is Sablemane even around anymore?

>>49011586
If typing "anduin x wrathion" into the Google machine is difficult for you, I don't know what to tell you.

CITIZENS OF DALARAN

>>49011954
RAISE YOUR DONGERS

>>49011954
the fact that people are still constantly turning in Magtheridon's head and Algalon always makes me laugh when I go back to HFP or Dalaran
CRZ is one hell of a drug

>>49011954
I think I found our guild name

>>49012092
when I first started playing I was in a guild named "Jesus was soul stoned" and they made them change the name

>>49012214
<Naga Stole My Bike>

>>49012244
this is the best name.

>>49012244
I always liked liked "Lincoln wiped on opera "

>>49012420
kek

>>49012420
I used to be in a guild called <Oops I crit my pants>

Besides Ogres, what race should they make playable?

>>49013010
Arakkoa.

>>49013010
Ethereals

>>49013010

Tuskarr

>>49013010
Clearly murlocs

>>49013111
Seconding Arakkoa.

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>>49013010
Jinyu.

>>49013010
Wolvar

>>49013010
PLAYABLE CENTAUR WHEN

>>49013010
Naga.

>>49013010
I don't want new playable races, give me customization options on par with 2010.

>>49013010
Subraces.

Vrykul

>>49013111
>>49013338
Thirding Arakkoa. Playing an Arakkoa Priest or Paladin would be the tops.

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>>49013010
Protoss

>>49013402
When can I play my waifu cerea in WoW?

>>49010818
He basically wanted to use rune magic to redirect Azeroth's (or just Northrend?) magic energies for creating a colossal counterspell against Dalaran

>>49013010
Ogres and arakkoa on the list, you're basically done.

>>49013514
I like the idea that's popped up here a few times of caster Ogres being 2-headed, martial classes being 1-headed and caster Arakkoa being cursed and hunched while martial class Arakkoa are the pre-curse, upright models.

>>49013579
Any ideas on how you could introduce them at this crucial point in the game's storyline?

>>49013357
Those things are related to murlocs. Fucking murlocs

>>49013010
Pretty much every npc race they added since MoP has had a nice enough back story I'd play.

>>49013678
Dunno. Friendly Arakkoa, especially uncursed ones, would have to be from AU Draenor.
All the Ogres could be from modern Azeroth. And since they were already planned for the Horde, Arakkoa would have to be Alliance.

>>49009793
Didn't Illidan send the Scryers to siege Shattrath?

>>49013738
That would violate their saying that AU Draenor wouldn't affect MU Azeroth, but I'd be fine with that in this instance.

>>49013738
uncursed arakkoa could be descendents of the Apexis who disappeared from Draenor before the Gorian Empire was founded. They were supposedly one of the most advanced races in the setting, they could have made it into space

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>>49013010
Mogu.

>>49013678

Next xpac being a return to Draenor (conveniently around the time for the Chronicle release that's dealing primarily with Draenor-related stuff). Could involve the Alliance and Horde starting to press back against the Legion, in this case taking things to Outland and going to fight the Legion through portals to other worlds that have emerged, allowing Blizzard to do something they had to cut from BC. Joining the Alliance are Arakkoa, while we learn more about the Apexis and why their civilization fell (maybe tied to the Legion), while Horde gets Ogres who should have been there from the beginning anyways. Maybe bring back Ogri'la, always liked them.

>>49013782
>more crystal space ships in fantasy setting
Fuck it, why not.

>>49008193
>dat filename
Now I just want to breed a family of super potent magic users through generations of trait hunting.

>>49013789
I wish the Horde got Mogu and the Alliance had Pandaren.

I know they wanted the Chinabucks, but it's still what I want.

>>49011197
He popped up in AU Draenor at Taylor's Garrison before it went to Hell. Actually tried helping Taylor out a bit, but Taylor was a bit too wary and already had things 'Under Control'. He went out with the two lieutenants to the Ring of Blood to get resources, came back, and everything was fucked to hell and back, with Wrathion nowhere to be seen.

It's told he didn't cause anything though and was generally just being honest for once.

>>49013760

And then the Scryers decided to fuck off and join up with Shattrath, after which Illidan did absolutely nothing. Mainly because the storyline was still barebones at that point, but still.

>>49013796
What do female ogres look like?

>>49013810
>Mogu not siding with their fellow Titan-forged
>Pandaren not joining the faction that was bros with Chen Stormstout

Huh?

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>>49013829

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>>49013829

Like this.

>>49013828
I thought it was because the Scryers were a good chunk of his forces, which at the time were busy fucking around Outlands with various things such as Zangarmarsh, Netherstorm, Shadowmoon Valley and even the orcs in Hellfire were on his team right? Illidari? I mean they were becoming the demons and all that i thought at Illidans behest but i might be remembering wrong.

Either way by the time The Scryers defected to Shatt ( which already had a sizeable force of unbroken draenei and some Naruu.) Illidan was in no position to fuck with such a hardened target.

Especially considering the whole staged 'demon reinvasion of Azeroth.'

Was probably just a feint to make the Alliance and horde stop Illidan for the Legion.

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>>49013829

>>49013922

Yes, but regardless of why Illidan didn't choose to do much of anything, the fact remains that his impact on Outland was seemingly minimal. So him razing and destroy Outland is not something you can really hold again him, because his rule over it didn't end up amounting to much or having much going on at all.

>>49010151
Alright I want to challenge lore then!

Here's what should have happened;
>Wrath of the Lich King occurs as planned, Wrathgate occured due to Arthas being a dick bag thief and infiltrating the RAS via Slyvanas pet dread lord.
>Wyrn comes in to kick ass and chew bubble gum and finds the conditions of what the Forsaken have done.
>Megapissed and ready to throw down with Thrall and Slyvanas.
>Ported away by Jaina; later after Wyrn's calmed down a bit he sends letters to Thrall for a meeting.
>During the meeting Wyrn asks if Thrall was made aware of the sheer amount of bullshit that was going on.
>Thrall playing it cool admits he did not as he wasn't going to poke his nose in another nation's business.
>So begins some skullduggery where Wyrn gets concessions from the Horde as a result of the shit going down in there.
>Primairly being that all use of plague by the Forsaken in battles NOT involving a common enemy will cause the Horde to withdraw support from them.
>This in turn allows Forsaken to stay in the Horde, Slyvanus will have to actually be more sneaky than 'LOL BOMB DA HOUSE'
>Some other minor things would include releasing PoWs and forsaking claims the areas of Hillsbrad including Southshore, That Dwarven keep near Thoradin's wall and Durnehold keep.
>Under threat by Thrall's hammer over her head Slyvanus would accept.
>Amazingly relations improve at that point between Horde and Alliance.

>Then shit hits the fucking fan when Garrosh 'Motherfucking' Hellscream had inspired Horde troops to slaughter Alliance soldiers from behind while they fought Scrouge at one of the key walls of Icecrown.
>As a result of this tomfuckery Thrall looses his temper and forces the young pup to go down to the battle site showing him what his reckless actions will cause if he doesn't clean his act up.
>Countless dead, the enemy growing stronger and the objective lost as a result
>This turns into a experiance for Garrosh adding onto the talk he had with Saurfang about Honor

>>49014030
>what should have happened is retarded Alliance circlejerking

>>49014030
>Things continue onward as planned and things occur in Ulduar.
>Amazingly when the Alliance and Horde meet up to discuss this Wyrn doesn't immediatly try to kill the orcs and Garrosh is not as full blown stupid either from his 'lesson'
>Ulduar is resolved and so is Icecrown with more co-operation between the two.
>However the gunship battle still occurs as it's piloted by Muradin 'fuckin' Bronzebeard whose got a score to settle with Arthas and isn't willing to back down.

>Once Wrath is finished and Cataclysm occurs we soon see a bit more development with Garrosh after Thrall tries to help him out from time to time.
>Keeping in touch during the 1-60 areas Thrall tries to help Garrosh manage the Horde while doing Shaman things.
>The Stonetalon quest line would have been great for showing Garrosh slowly evolving from ruthless brute to honorable warlord.
>Tensions would continue to rise and threaten to spill over as Orcs need wood and Elves refuse to aide them as the druid diplomatic slaughter that occured would still hang over both nations.
>However in a fit of clarity Garrosh promises the elves that he'd hunt down the ones responsible for it.
>When called out on it being his own forces that would do such a thing, Garrosh would merely spit on the ground before explaining that 'True Orcs' would never disgrace themselves like this.
>Elves come away not as pissed off, but still leery.
>However after some quick work from mercs to ID the culprites Garrosh would present the cult of Twilight to show he kept his promise.
>As a result the elves are rather forgiving at that point offering Azshura for the Horde's Lumber needs.
>Some of the more traditionalist of Elves are upset about this, but progressive ones overule the minority.
>Though tensions are still high over the starker amount of resources there are moments of great co-operation between races and moment's where tempers spill and threaten over.

>>49014067
so the normal then right?

>>49013964
Me want snu-snu?

>>49013964
Tio best girl

>>49014202
This is true

>>49014189
>>49014202
Playable ogres never.
Although I have a theory
Greggs outside wanting to get in the Horde right? Watch sylvannas say no.
So what does Gregg do?
Goes to the Alliance.
Turns out Gregg is a diplomat for a lost tribe of ogres.
Alliance Race - Ogres

>>49014242
You wacky guy.
next you'll be telling me Horde race - Mechagnomes

What is the lore behind Ethereals?
Where they always energy people and just us rags when they want to interact with flesh races or where they once flesh and got mummied?

>>49014295
They were from a planet that got consumed by a fuck huge void being, the backlash turned the surviving members of the species into what we see in WoW

>>49006582
>Warcraft
>lore

>>49014030
INCORRECT. HERE IS THE ONLY ANSWER.

>Coming into Cata Garrosh actually listens to his advisors and devotes resources to beating the Grimtotem rather than taking Ashenvale
>Opens Trade possibilities with the still Neutral Theramore, opens small diplomacy to NElves (Already somewhat neutral) to lessen tensions in Ashenvale
>Treats Sylvanas virtually the same, thoigh with less anger and more caution, and tells her to stay out of Gilneas
>Sylvanas invades anyway after Garrosh stops looking
>Still devotes resources in Northerend to getting Blue Flight Artifacts, culminating in the Focusing Iris being stolen.
>Instead devotes newly incorporated Goblins as well as Blood Elf Arcanists into building massive arcane power grid with the Focusing Iris at its center
>Orgrimmar becomes the second greatest city on Azeroth (Third if you count the Exodar, I guess.) in terms of technology, all thanks to Garrosh.
>Varian is faced with a duality of old ideals against
the Horde (Fueled by Genn's anger towards the Forsaken) against what appears to be a truly changed race of Orcs (Fueled by Anduin's want for peace)
>Decides to dedicate more to fighting the Forsaken than the Horde
>Garrosh openly denounces Sylvanas' actions and stops sending supplies, allows the Forsaken which still want to be part of the Horde to stay. Majority actually stay with the Horde
>Pandaria arrives and it's Sylvanas who makes the power move for the Heart of Y'Shaarj since she's backed into a corner
>Garrosh, Varian, and Lor'themar launch a three pronged assault on Undercity against Sylvanas, eventually capturing her for the Pandaren trial.
>Kairoz shenanigans never happen, WoD is aborted, Wrathion spends time pulling strings to prepare for Legion, Sylvanas is imprisoned

1/2

>>49014360

A little late to the party, huh?

>>49014379
>Legion Invasion arrives thanks to newly resurrected Gul'dan, queue Assault on the Broken Shore.
>Varian dies, Garrosh is mortally wounded, Cairne finally dies, Vol'jin and Lor'themar get away with minor injuries
>Neither side really knows what happened, Jaina plays peacemaker again.
>Garrosh passes the title of Warchief to a reluctant Saurfang
>Lor'themar is unsure if the Legion can be stopped conventionally, pays a visit to the only person he can think of to fight just as brutally as the Legion
>Sylvanas

2/2

>>49014295
They were an advanced race that drew the attention of a void Lord. He attacked their planet and washed it in shadow and arcane energy. Some cities made shield barriers for their cities which stopped the shadow damage but not arcane. The result was their bodies vaporized but their soulstuff still somewhat intact. Some of them bind strips of cloth to their soulstuff to keep them stable.

>>49014601
Metal

>>49014686
Very. Iirc they wanted revenge on the void lords so bad that a less extreme faction had to be broken off otherwise they would still be waging war on the void. Something about the trade princes?

>>49013760
>>49013966
Actually it was Kael'Thas who ordered the attack, making it look like it was all Illidan's idea, since he was working for the Legion at the time and planning to betray Illidan. Even Blizz was smart enough to realise Illidan had no reason to attack Shattrath and make more enemies for him.

>>49014762
Makes them sound slightly goblin-y culture wise.

I mean, having trade princes.

>>49014819
Just means they had gotten to a capitalist system rather than imperial, not that they where full gob-jew

>>49008114
>>49007949

Arcane magic is like alcohol. Fel magic is like heroin.

Both will kill you if abused recklessly, but one has a much lower threshold for what qualifies as "reckless." And it's a lot easier to have a society of mostly-high functioning alcoholics than a society of heroin addicts.

>>49013810
That's completely backwards

I wish Alliance got Mogu and Horde got Pandaren

>>49014379
I am almost certain that it was Garrosh that was pushing sylvanas to take gilneas in an effort to both gain more ground and also kill off a bunch of forsaken (which he hated and just saw as disposable cannon fodder in the first place)

>>49014980
So basically mage reagants are alcohol. Can't cast fall without a f̶e̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ beer!

>>49014819
They are more like sheiks or Arabian trade princes.

>>49015008
BROTHER

>>49011765

Yeah every time people ask about him at a Blizzcon or whatever they confirm that he's still around but has either no interest or no ability to interfere on Azeroth.

>>49015061
I want an Arabia themed expansion. Blizzard, invent another continent or something, idgaf

>>49015290
Bc could have been full Arabian,
>Space goats
>Ethereal
>High elf architecture is also pretty Arabic

>>49015712
There's still time!

>>49015712
Also, Wrathion's headdress.

>After Legion: TBC 2.0
>Re-establish a link to Outland
>Find void shit going down, trying to consume the remnants of the planet
>Apexis return, revealed to glorious Light worshiping arakkoa.
>Arakkoa join Alliance, Ogri'la ogres join Horde, both playable.

Shiiit what if all of this is just a ploy to get Varimathras to infiltrate and assassinate Sylvannas?

>>49015967
We only saw a small part of Draenor. There's a larger continent to the south if you check the map, some people theorized that was Ogri'la.

Point is, they have a whole new world they can explore without running afoul of established canon. Well, moreso than they already have...

>>49016624
>There's a larger continent to the south if you check the map
This is bullshit. Even in the preliminary maps, the ogre continent was only about the size of Farahlon, aka pre-explosion Netherstorm.

>>49016689
we could only see a tiny fraction of that continent though

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>>49016703
Huh, well shit. That little bit of brown in the bottom left corner COULD be a continent. Thought it was just curled 'we want it to look like a physical, paper map' detailing.

>>49016865
Perhaps you spilt some
>[Miner's Coffee]
on it?

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>>49017005
>Wasting coffee.
BRB, gotta kill myself and corpse run back.

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>>49016689
Whatever, so it's a different continent. I want my Araby

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>>49017562
>Your garrison has a harem

Okay, now I'm really behind this.

>>49017585
What's your acceptable size of harem for your Warcraft character? Mines a humble three.

>>49017682
Three at the minimum. Five's a good number. Seven is pushing it.

Okay why the fuck is the Night Watch of all fucking organizations under control of the Burning Legion? Someone explain this shit to me, I just can't seem to wrap my head around it.

>>49017682
>Garona
>Soulbinder Tuulani
>Aeda Brightdawn
>Sally Whitemane in Legion
10/10 bretty gud

>>49017794
>lolcorruption
It's that simple.

>>49017794
because of convoluted reasons and the alliance town tax.

>>49017585
If garrisons suddenly became waifu simulators a-la the new Fire Emblem games, I would totally start playing WoW again because I am that much of a loser

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>>49017795
Are we only using followers? In order:

Liadrin
Vanessa VanCleef
Sally Whitemane
Valeera Sanguinar
The Eredar Twins
Delas Moonfang
Calia Menethil
Ishanah

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>>49018063

>>49013010
Vrykyl.

>>49018063
Hanging out with the Shaman crowd might be fun with Duke Hydraxis

>>49018063
>>49018092
>Lady Liadrin will never be your gf
why couldn't I have leveled a paladin

>>49018092
>>Tauren Paladin
Can't these cows just walk into the sun and die?

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Getting together a pitch document for my group come spring for a Draenor-specific/Orc-specific campaign.

Idea being to start it off on the solstice festival with the party as orcs from a variety of Clans who are tasked by their superiors to find what has stolen away a group of children from the festival before the Orcs succumb to in-fighting and accusations that might demand Mak'gora.

It'll be Challe, who will be a Shapeless One , a shapeshifting creature left-over from the corruption that was squeezed out of Draenor by the Shapers during the Age of Order.

Goal being to hit Domain Game tier eventually, with the party being a de facto Garad'kra organization or forming their own faction. But what is important at the start is just giving them a reason to work together.

Pitch and some house-rules. Written early in the morning because I just wanted to put it down before I forgot it.

>>49017794
I guess considering how terrible everything is for them, it'd be easy for corruption to take root in the higher echelons and for them to frame up any lesser member who might suspect otherwise. Turn it all into a terrible witch-hunt situation.

Still a disappointment.

>>49018092
>Only one orc, and it's Garona
>Only one troll, and it's Zen'tabra
>Only one draenei, and she doesn't matter
>so
>fucking
>many
>humans and elves

Blizzard clearly needs lessons in how to construct harems

Paladin Anduin when?

>>49018063
I hate that the Warrior Class Hall is Ymirjar only, final destination. Yes, yes, Valhalla, no shorties allowed, etc. But man, having the ghosts of Lothar and Doomhammer backing you up would be awesome.

>>49018369
Agreed. Everyone has varied personnel but Warriors have only dead vikings.

>>49018316
I don't know that feel, sorry citizen.

>>49018369
Not to mention dead lore figures

Thoradin and Modimus Anvilmar, for example

>>49018538
And Varian. :(

>>49018538
The first two were actually in the Order Hall until they got removed though.

>>49018344
Well, warlocks get the Eredar Twins. which is probably close enough to Draenei.

Also, while she's not a follower, DHs get Mother Sharez (that female demon boss from BT) hanging around in their class hall.

>>49018580
All of the new voices for DH related characters make me diamonds, especially when Shahraz is voiced by the JL Wonder Woman.

>>49018593
>Shahraz is voiced by the JL Wonder Woman.
OK, that settles it. I've been debating whether DHs or locks get the best semen demons in their order hall, but DH wins. Sorry, twins.

>>49018565
>and bitchface

Nah, he died during Wrath of the Lich King, and we sure as hell won't be seeing real Varian in the order hall

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>>49018340
Figured I may as well add the basic rules to it since I'm just going to give it to my group come time to play. Working on Beyond the Wall style playbooks based on the concepts (could use another good one to make an even 12, for d12 rolling purposes).

Does anyone know what the hunter campaign is about?

Where the FUCK is MAGATHA?

Whole world being invaded by demons, a ton of tauren stuff this expansion, and where is she with her hugely powerful elemental macguffin?

Did she just go "man I'm the only villain who's gotten away with anything time to quit while I'm ahead" and go chill on a beach somewhere?

>>49019384
yep.

>>49011306
Fuck off you shitstain

>>49014030
Garrosh should've been at the wrathgate instead of saurfang jr.

>cata drops and with it saurfang jr becomes warchief meanwhile saurfang sr is his advisor

Dranosh Saurfang was so much better than Garrosh "daddy complex" Hellscream

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Ok, my main for Legion is troll druid.
Balance or Resto? Why?

>>49020242
If you plan to heal, you're going to want to quest as your healing spec, otherwise you're gonna have to play catch up with your heal spec artifact.

>>49007691
Sorry for the late response, I just woke up and saw this post.
>Hush, Tyrande
Malfurion is literally the worst thing since Green Jesus.

>>49020290
>Hush, Tyrande

I still don't get the butthurt over this line.

new thread
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>>49011407
>The Light will protect me, aaaaaahahaahahhahahaaaaaaaaaaah
>Dropped in a pool of fel goo

You sure? It seems the Light used up all of its plot armor at Light's Hope and ICC

>>49009797
Well, Thrall became even more of a self-inserting faggot after he met her so it makes sense.

>>49020242
Resto

Balance got their fluff fucked up and now are way too cosmic and not enough fae