Is prostitution an inherently evil/chaotic act?

>>49020333
no?

>>49020334
Alright then. I figured it would be more morally ambiguous.

>>49020333

No, it's dependent on the circumstances of the prostitute and the laws of the land.

Lawful Good prostitution is a thing, especially where good deities have sacred prostitutes that offer their virginity to the gods like in ancient Mesopotamia.

Prostitution? Not necessarily, pimping, yes

>>49020333
Great thread OP.

Why do you think it would be? I can't see why it would be.

>>49020333
I wouldn't say inherently so, but it may correlate with chaotic alignments where societal norms are strongly monogamous, and that's pretty common.

>>49020360
>everyone in the party is a sacred prostitute devoted to a different temple and/or god

>>49020385
They tour the country during the spring fertility festival. Peasants save their coins all year to afford the mind blowing orgasms only a sacred child of god can provide.

>>49020385
> Every adventure is an orgy.

>>49020420
Well, fucking prestigious monsters could be like counting coup. You can even specialize through fetishes: the party tank is a masochist, the crown control is a dom, you can have a wrestler (often doubled as prostitues anyway, a fire dancer, you get the picture.

>>49020436
The goal of the campaign is to dom a prince of hell.

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>>49020436
> the party tank is a masochist
I have a feeling I've seen this idea before, somewhere.

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>>49020451
>it's an iggwilv episode

>>49020418

Sacred prostitutes DO IT FOR FREE.

In fact, sacred prostitutes would make a donation to the temple before joining and stay as a "worker" for maybe two or three years before leaving to get a spouse.

It's basically college without the pretense of an education.

Depends on the setting.

It can be a lawful act (Nevada bordellos), a chaotic act (self paid streetwalker), a neutral act (survival is survival), and evil act (sex 'em up, knock 'em out, rob 'em blind, maybe kill them), and even a good act (temple prostitutes guiding the sinner to the saints, accepting the burden of love to bring life into the world, etc.).

So it REALLY depends on your setting.

>>49020500
Nah son, they'd offer tiers of services in exchange for certain sums donated to their temples.

>>49020500
>Sacred prostitutes DO IT FOR FREE.
Not always.

>>49020502
The instance, not the setting.

>>49020539
No, the setting matters more than the instance because the instances are based on the setting's laws and rules and situational set ups. .

>>49020502
Just gonna point out that the "evil" part of your example is a bunch of linked actions which could be done without the presence of prostitution and which do not require prostitution to occur. There is no reason to assume that one leads to any of the others, or to infer the moral gravity of one onto its predecessors.

>>49020333
It's inherently immoral, but immorality does not equal evil.

>>49020562
What about a prostitute using her craft to spread a plague, like in VtmB?

>>49020502
It's never a good act. A temple prostitute who offers absolution by preaching her god's faith is doing good through the preaching, not the selling herself like meat.

>>49020590
What if it raises the hearts of the faithful and allows the temple to do good works with the funds earned?

>>49020590
Who said the prostitute was a female? :p

>>49020500
Then they're just sacred sluts

>>49020604
Nope. It's an immoral act with a potentially positive outcome.

>>49020613
The usage of gender neutral pronouns in English is controversial.

>>49020570
>objective morality

>>49020604
>Prostitution for charity
Now there's an idea.

>>49020620
>It's an immoral act
Explain.

>>49020628
>Subjectivism

>>49020333
Properly ran without enslavement of the prostitutes, or forcing them into prostitution to supplement their drug habit that the owner gave them, would mean that a brothel could be a great investment and be safe for both clients and whores

>>49020590
>My mom was a prostitute so I know it's bad!
Prostitution is as morally grey as you can get unless someone's getting hurt, and even then they might have literally asked for it

>>49020360

>Ancient Mesopotamia

>Good gods

Even the nicest mesopotamian gods were assholes.

>>49020333
Prostitution gets a bad reputation because, like with anything else, assholes conglomerate in areas where profit is easy.

The negative image of prostitution is directly fed by sociopathic drug dealers and pimps who breed weak-minded women into slaves using a combination of extreme violence and addiction therapy.

But prostitution at its core is just paying for sex. By that definition, the vast majority of people have "prostituted" themselves on first dates or throughout the process of courtship by bribing their to-be lovers with gifts, houses, favors, and so on.

Prostitution is essentially dating with no strings attached.

>>49020632
>It's an immoral act
>Explain.
Says so in my Bible Coloring Book.

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The party has obtained: Prostitute x 12

>noble self-sacrificing prostitute who does it to feed the kids in the orphanage
VS
>money grubbing prostitute from an impoverished background who wants to live the life of luxury

You can only buy one.

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>>49020732
The treasure's in here.

>>49020673
Marduk, Nanshe, Ninurta, Shamash?

>>49020714

>The negative image of prostitution is directly fed by sociopathic drug dealers and pimps who breed weak-minded women into slaves using a combination of extreme violence and addiction therapy.

You're so incredibly wrong. Even in places where prostitution is 100% legal and the work conditions are regulated it still has a negative connotation. (See the red light district in the Netherlands)

It has EVERYTHING to do with women selling something special that should be reserved for the one that she loves.

Here is one definition of the term "Whore"

>Whore: debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.

People look down upon whores because they are disgusting people who have no principles or self respect.

>>49020732

Where is this from?

>>49020732
>>49020833

Forgot to mention I'm asking because reverse-image search is giving me Cartoon Network and refuses to even consider it's from a partially lewd source.

Why is Google shitting the bed with their image search engine?

>>49020820
>You're so incredibly wrong.
I'm not, but thanks for sharing anyway.

>Even in places where prostitution is 100% legal and the work conditions are regulated it still has a negative connotation

By definition it doesn't, since it's regulated and legal. But again thanks for sharing.

>It has EVERYTHING to do with women selling something special that should be reserved for the one that she loves.
That's cool.

>Whore: debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.
So where do you draw the line at what constitutes debasement?

>>49020333
No. It can be Chaotic if it's illegal.

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>>49020820
>It has EVERYTHING to do with women selling something special that should be reserved for the one that she loves.
Oh boy, here we go.

>>49020820
So we're going with "often Chaotic because it contradicts the mores of many societies?"

>>49020833

Gate manga

Portal opens in Japan a new world (like Roman Empire with a mix of Middle ages technology) try to invade. Japan counter attack with tanks and soldiers.

MC is a former special forces officer and Otaku that is reassigned to a exploration and diplomatic squad with a loli demi god, a dark elf, a elf with PTSD and a loli sorcerer.

>>49020369
>working man (woman) are fine
>employer / manager is the evil
What are you, communist?

IRL? Depends, but most of the time it's the pimp the one forcing the prostitute (some girls like it though because it's easy money)

in fiction? however the fuck you want. You can make a religious order of sacred prostitute that are worshiped as saints. Having sex with one of them is like doing a good for your soul and your body. Do whatever you want

>>49020820
>It has EVERYTHING to do with women selling something special that should be reserved for the one that she loves.
Are you going to break out any particular verse and scripture, or would that be spoon-feeding?

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>>49020820
>It has EVERYTHING to do with women selling something special that should be reserved for the one that she loves.
Like her special cookies?

>>49020369

Again, not necessarily. A guy who runs a business where he takes care of things like health care expenses, overhead, taxation and licensing, marketing, bulk contracts, and facilities freeing his employees up to focus on their "jobs*" with a fair split of the proceeds is LN at worst, and may even be LG if his actual motivation is to protect them from exploitation. No one says it has to be abusive or exploitative.

>>49020487
What's the story?

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>>49020877

>mfw it's from GATE
>mfw that means it's nothing but ecchi harem bullshit
>mfw won't see those prostitutes getting it on with anyone

Thanks for the answer anon, even if it wasn't the kind of source I was hoping for.

>>49020632
>>It's an immoral act
>Explain.
Capitalism is bad, man.

>>49020500

[citation needed]

>>49020919
She's one of the iconic wizard/sorcerers of D&D, the ones spells are named after (her spell is Tasha's Hideous Laughter).

Born Natasha, she was raised a witch by Baba Yaga and ended up accompanying Zagyg, another of D&D's famous wizards and a character of Gary Gygax, posing as an apprentice and in a scandalous relationship with him. She used Zagyg to gain knowledge of demons and stole his spellbooks. Later, she summons Graz'zt the Demon Prince of Lust and binds him for what are essentially booty call purposes, then makes war on the earth.

>>49020911
RIP in pomodori

>>49020853

>That's cool

These aren't my opinions. We are talking about why society as a whole looks down upon prostitution. You're getting pissy when I point out that it has everything to do with a societal perception of what's right and wrong.


You may disagree with it because at the end of the day, morality is subjective.

>By definition it doesn't, since it's regulated and legal. But again thanks for sharing

Yeah, just like abortion is legal, alcohol is legal, and hunting is legal. None of these things are controversial at all. Retard.

>So where do you draw the line at what constitutes debasement

That is irrelevant. As for the common perception of good and evil, look at the culture of a society.

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>>49020673
Ah-ha! I knew I that this would be useful one day.

>>49020660
Basically, hire those with high libidos. Get protection for the workers, focus on being the crème de la crème. You want reputable clientele, not leper John and sleazy joe harming your working girls and boys. Regulate that shit. Cater to specific fetishes, without any of the highly immoral ones, like pedophilia. Got a rich client that likes em young? Have petite but legal elves to do ageplay instead. Work together with wineries to get deals on good wine at cheap prices, and cut their workers a discount rate in the brothel. Run it like a proper business, and you don't have to worry about it being "inherently evil".
Gotta still watch for the crazy zealot from time to time, but that's nothing new

>>49020984
>Later, she summons Graz'zt the Demon Prince of Lust and binds him for what are essentially booty call purposes, then makes war on the earth.
What a fucking hero.

>>49020927
GATE never fails to disappoint.

>>49021047
She's still around in Greyhawk, I think, but was kind of supplanted by her and Graz'zt's son Iuz as a villain.

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>>49020673
>Even the nicest mesopotamian gods were assholes.
Marduk was the classic Fratboy/opportunist, but he at very least didn't fold when it came to making good on his promise.

They still collectively murdered their mum and built their universe with her desecrated corpse.

>>49021000
You made a switcheroo there when in your original post you never once said "society thinks"; any reasonable reader would think that, since you plainly made your assertions without qualification, that it is your opinion that prostitutes are "whores" with "no principles or self-respect".

>inb4 "I never said prostitutes were whores"

>>49020333
,what's the context of this image?

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>>49021055

>Draw a hyper-voluptuous angel with dick sucking lips and fat cow nipples offering herself to their rescuers
>Let's focus on excusing Comfort Women from our history and a generic harem situation with the boring (literally, in-universe, boring) protagonist and a flat-chested loli

It's like finding your class valedictorian working at Starbucks at 33.

>>49021095

>You never once said "society thinks"


>"People look down upon whores because they are disgusting people who have no principles or self respect"

It's okay to be wrong, but please do not lie.

>>49021138
>not once in your example given do you even imply society
>you instead make a blanket statment that looks to be solely your opinon
It's okay to be wrong, but please do not lie

>>49021138
It's easy to read that as saying "whores objectively have no principles or self respect, therefore people look down on them" rather than "people think whores have no principles or self respect, and so they look down on them." At least, that's how I read it, and I'm only slightly mentally ill.

>>49021130
Japs am I right?

>>49021078
Iggwilv lives in Hades now.

>>49021130
>offering herself to their rescuers

Everything else you said is on-point, but I think the character in that image is Mizari, who isn't actually looking to get rescued.

She's a prostitute from the red-light district that gets medical attention and condoms from the JSDF camp so her and the other working girls don't have to deal with disease or unwanted pregnancy. In typical manga fashion none of the Japanese soldiers succumb to their charms and get their dicks wet because they're hotbeds of STDs (some possibly more magical than others.)

In other words, all the ground-work is there for something lewd (whether official or doujin) but the author is too full of himself trying to portray the Japanese soldiers as hardened professionals to do so.

>>49021223
And this is how you know he's never been in any military in any role.

>>49021171

At this point you are trolling me. Only a retard would read the word "people" and think I was referring to a single person.

>>49020333
Prostitution is just a means of making money. Might be desperation, might just be an easy way to earn coin. It's the world's oldest profession.

Forcing others into it, or deliberately spreading disease, is indeed an evil act.

>>49021280
So do you share the opinion of the "people" or what?

>>49021217
TY anon, I'm not up to date on it.

>>49021293
The world's oldest profession is CROPS.

It's true neutral, provided it's a fair businesses transaction in which no parties are harmed.

>>49021799
I'm pretty sure the world's oldest profession is killing things and taking their shit. This might include their body parts.

>>49021807
>sex
>not harmful

>>49021781
I just pulled it off her Wikipedia page.

>>49021266
I know right? Even if the nips were replaced by an american unit, I give it six hour TOPS before some guy goes looking for poon from any branch. 'Cept navy, they supply their own ass.

>>49022068
at least use a german or british unit.

They might last a day before trying to get their dick wet, unlike those rowdy jarheads.

>>49020333
depends on the setting

>>49022068
>>49022104

Don't forget these girls are absurdly attractive by prostitute standards and probably have diseases easily cured by some penicillin.

The average unit would be humping these girls before the end of their first patrol.

>>49022180
They probably got a friendly "if we catch you with your dick in any of the locals you're getting an automatic section 8, fagtron" note from the higher-ups.

>>49022627
Look, if I found an angel-lady with a body like that willingly offering themselves, the risk is worth it.

>>49022627
Don't ask don't tell.

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>>49020333

Trips compel me to ask: does anyone here besides me actually frequent prostitutes/escorts?

It's legal where I'm at.

>>49022627

Oh no, the brass is telling us not to fuck the foreign hotties with figures we've only seen on porn stars or a skinny Christina Hendricks.

In another dimension with zero surveillance equipment.

The amoxicillin is requisitioned for the locals, yup.

>>49020333

According to medieval clergymen, the act of paying for sex is not in itself sinful, but then again all sexual acts outside the sanctity of marriage are sinful so it might as well be...

>>49021015
Ghidorah is a Mesopotamian god?

>>49020333
You could argue that it's at least Lawful Neutral.

>>49022780
Two of my players in real life are escorts.
I used to be a client (still are) of one of them, got interested into the hobby during a post coital conversation so offered her to try it. At first tried with World of Darkness but she demonstrated to be more interested into sword and sorcery.

>>49021000

"Society as a whole" does not think that women should be virgins until marriage. There is a (often religious) subsection of society that believes this; there is also a subset of society that believes men should also, which at least cuts out some of the sexist bullcrap.

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>>49020333
Is cutting your fingernails an inherently lawful/evil act?

>>49023123
That sounds like an interesting group.

>>49022780
Nope. I got some peculiarities that would make this unreasonably expensive. Either I'm gonna find a girl I can groom to my needs or I'm abstaining.

Also we don't really have laws specifically for prostitution. Legally prostitution doesn't exist, but it can be covered by other laws as applicable.

>>49023189
Of course. The growth of your nails and hair is a sign of the protection of our ancestor spirits. That's why bald men can't be priests, and wear wigs in our culture. It's why possession rituals inevitably involve shaving the hair and pulling out the nails of the victim. Only a madman would cut his nails like that.

>>49023189
Do they feel pain?

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>>49023123
>meeting the escorts you frequent outside the sphere of business interaction

That's not what they're for but whatever

No.

it is however very easy for it to end in a form of slavery and or exploitation.

But having legal prostitution tends to protect sex workers more than just banning it.

Is like baning drinking alcohol, more people get hurt than if is legal. Unless you have some kind of police state.

>>49023285

So why is there such a strong opposition to legal prostitution in the USA?

Is it due to the conservatives who think it's a sin, or the liberals who think putting a price on pussy cheapens the common woman?

>>49023312
>So why is there such a strong opposition to legal prostitution in the USA?
Because it's country founded by religious nutjobs.

>>49020333
Chaotic? I guess it could be if done illegaly. Evil? No real reason for it to be.

>>49023266
Escorts can still have lives and friends, you know. Not every one of them is a desperate cornergirl who needs the money to keep surviving.

>>49023332
Nah, man. It's more like it's RAN by them, and they refuse to legalize anything that they don't agree with, even if it has positive effects

>>49023213
Considering the one I introduced into the hobby haves two degrees (Math & Physics and Philosophy) and her friend one in nanotechnology (she also haves one in dramatic arts but did it just for fun) with both displaying a terrific tendency for lateral thinking you can bet they do contribute a lot to the game experience.

>>49023401
That wasn't sarcasm, I do think it sounds like an interesting group.

>>49023401
>degrees in Math, Physics and Philosophy
>sucks dicks for living
I'm not sure whether that's depressing or hilarious, but it sure is something.

>>49023243
Stolen for my homebrew

>>49023312
Is the same country than banned alcohol drinking isn't it?

There are many reasons to oppose prostitution but the fact is, is here to stay. Just like drinking and drugs. So better make it legal so the state can reap profit on it and you can control it somewhat instead of being the law of the jungle.

>>49023588
dude, escorts, not whore, cost a fuckton
its the type of girls rich CEO and the like go to parties to show they are good at girls, and they pick em beutiful and smart

its the deluxe model so to say

>>49023588
Escorts aren't street girls in the sense they are hired only for sexual performance, they can be hired as retinue for a social event capable of offer interesting topics for a conversation during a non-business dinner.

>>49020333
I interpret good/evil more as altruism/selfishness than as an actual spectrum of morality. By that interpretation, more information about the circumstances would be needed, but ultimately, prostitution is a profession, and as such, is not inherently good or evil.

As for chaos, the law/chaos axis could be more accurately described as order vs chaos. Since prostitution is generally a methodical practice, with established rules and procedures related to actually conducting business, I would consider it to fall under lawful rather than chaotic. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is legal in a given setting.

>>49023588
Look, the trailer park boy plebeian showed up.

>>49023697
>>49023712
in short, dates that you may or not fuck, they are good at pretty much any topic, and cost a ton of cash

>>49023757
>and cost a ton of cash
so a normal date, but you get to see their resume first

>>49022627
So only 60% of the unit would do it

>>49021084
Well there mom was a terrifying world eating dragon serpent wasn't she? Come to think of it, the parents of a lot of pantheons are assholes.

>>49025108
in general 90% gods from the old civilizations where a bunch of assholes 90% of the time

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>>49022068
>not knowing about the Muh-Reens

>>49023757
Depends. Some are cheap enough and others are richboy's allowance tier.
Depends on the quality. You can get some decent conversationalists who range from 7.5-9/10 but might not be as experience or a little overly experienced for $500-900ish. Or you can get 11/10's who will talk the finer points of business and maybe give your financial supporters tips on how to better run their company or business or actually hold their own in quantum physics talks for $5000-10,000. Almost all are clean and decent types and most have to be moderately intelligent in many aspects to be able to hold their own in any sort of company so that already puts them above most chicks you'd find then add the fact they're usually far more sexually capable than the average person and suddenly you can see why they're worth the money people happily pay for them.
Hell, most choose the job for the lifestyle whereas the cash is just the icing on the cake.

>>49020673
That applies to most mythologies.

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>>49025406
>last post

>>49020500
I have no clue what culture you're talking about, because they wouldn't be prostitutes if they did it for free. You had to donate to the temple to procure their services, though that doesn't mean money.

>>49020984
In addition, Iggwilv is the author of the Demonomicon (the most authoritative writing on demons and the Abyss), she is the Witch Queen of Perrenland, and her son (with Graz'zt) is Iuz the Evil, a demigod.

In other words, probably the only more notable villains in Greyhawk are gods and archfiends.

>>49025186
Most Gods period are assholes, Yahweh ordered the Jews to pretty much drive the Canaanites to extinction.

>>49023123
>So lonely you have to hire escorts in order to play games with anyone.

>>49020333
To paraphrase Thomas Aquinas, trying to make a society more moral by removing prostitutes is like trying to clean a city by removing the sewers. Prostitution is a depraved act, but a neccessary one.

>>49020471
I want to cuck Darkness and watch her writhe in emotional pain/joy.

>>49025828
>Yahweh ordered the Jews to pretty much drive the Canaanites to extinction.
It's just them bullshitting. They pretty much claim that all the destruction caused by the Late Bronze Age collapse in Israel is their doing.

>>49026520
oy vey delet this gentile

>>49026520
They're not right for saying it but they aren't wrong.

>>49020333
What is going on in the image?

>>49026722
>Background
A slutty, irresponsible teenage mother is visiting the pharmacist for her next dose of highs

>Foreground
A cleric, having kidnapped the teen mom's daughter, is having second thoughts about /ll/

>>49026722
Mum wants drugs or booze and is offering herself as payment while the older child protects the youngers innocence. An ultimately futile act.

>>49020732
They all have Some kind of NIVs which is why the Japaneses soldiers haven't fucked them yet

>>49026765
>>49026793
But why is the little girl carrying a morningstar?

>>49026893
what's the problem with fucking protestants?

>>49026902
Because Adventure and they're a party.

>>49026936
I to am curious about this.

>>49026893
>They all have Some kind of NIVs which is why the Japaneses soldiers haven't fucked them yet

I don't even know what that means.

What is an NIVS and how is that keeping a Japanese dong from penetrating one of their many available orifices.

In real life? Yes. Prostitution is undoubtedly both evil and chaotic. Its presence is a poison to the community and the social order.

In D&D? No, it has no alignment. D&D has specific, non-subjective definitions of what is Good and Evil, thus while prostitution might be a bad thing in practical terms it will not affect a character's alignment by itself.

>>49020333
As long as they aren't slaves/forced to do it, I'd say no.

>>49026979
>Its presence is a poison to the community and the social order.
Yeah, let's just stop putting a fixed market price on pussy and make it downright unaccessable to a bottom layer of men. Surely that will create a more stable and properous society.

Not even a moral judgement, just saying you're fucking retarded.

>>49026936
Oh sorry meant to say Hiv
Those characters was showed positive to have Fantasty world HIV and got a little pissy when none of the soldiers wanted to play hide the weasel with them

>>49027011
no take backs allowed

The JSDF being catholic while the sexy monsters are protestants makes more sense as an explanation for why they didn't bump uglies immediately.

>>49027004

Sex is not a necessity, anon. You can literally have no sex forever and suffer no ill effects.

>>49027004
>Yeah, let's just stop putting a fixed market price on pussy and make it downright inaccessible to a bottom layer of men.
There's always steady supply of boipussy. That's not to say it should be seen as "cheaper alternative".

>>49026973
New International Version?
It's a bible but i'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

>>49027068
>Sex is not a necessity, anon
>Which is why it's on Maslow's pyramid of needs
Do you even know how libido works, you fucking retard? For many people it's a need, and even if it isn't it's a very strong desire that's better fulfilled legally than illegally.

>>49027107
>There's always steady supply of boipussy.
Gay prostitution is still prostitution.

>>49027062
How? Japs aren't all that western religiously. If anything most of them had a wife back at home and don't want to cheat and the ones who don't don't want to risk getting HIV like what was said in the LN and manga

>>49027011
>Those characters was showed positive to have Fantasty world HIV and got a little pissy when none of the soldiers wanted to play hide the weasel with them

Really? Because it sounds more like the diseases they had were readily treatable and could be stopped with something as simple as a condom.

>>49027144
>Gay prostitution is still prostitution.
Many do it for free. Or so I've heard.

>>49020333
As Chaotic Evil as a Fighter

>>49027193
Is this supposed to be a counterargument or something? It's depraved when you get money for it but perfectly virtuous if you do it for free?

>>49027147
>japs aren't all that western in religion
Ackshually.
The VAST majority of traditional religists are 40+. Japan is currently undergoing a schism socially as the "younger" generations are adopting quite heavily and aggressively western ideologies and mannerisms.
They no longer take kindly to in workplace insults, berating, or physical punishment from higher ups whereas that was vastly the norm before hand.
Getting drunk publicly, literally means anywhere outside of homes, was vastly frowned upon and taxi drivers wouldn't give you the time of day because they'd be ashamed to be seen with you. Now its western views everywhere where people can walk the redlight drunk, vomit, then carry on and people will cheer for the party atmosphere.
Traditional family roles and views have subsequently vanished in the cities which are the heart of this movement as most women are just like those "overseas". Can't cook, can't clean, can't childrear, want to be self sufficient workers, most don't want children, take offense at the idea of the traditional housewife, domestic abuse is viewed negatively as well.
Disclaimer: i'm not saying this is bad just that the traditionalists do.
It's actually REALLY charging the political scene and the recent move with their military was a huge powerplay to show that traditionalists still run things and can and will do vast switch ups just to prove that point like they used to in businesses to the lesser workers.

>>49027282
It's only virtuous if done correctly. Dating is a nice little dance that shows the man has the resources to keep the woman happy. If you just shove money at a harlot to get your jimmies off this upsets the balance and produces lazy and materialistic men and disenfranchised women.

>>49027329
If you don't put a bottom price on the pussy market you end up with a hyper-inflation scenario where barely anyone can afford pussy

>>49027282
I don't care for morals. The original argument was that banning prostitution makes pussy inaccessible to lower class, I'm merely pointing out alternatives exists. Even without whores there will always be sluts. Of either gender. (Or is it "of any gender" now?)

>>49027329
I lack the strength and patience to deal with how retarded you are. So it's "virtuous" if the deal favors women. What kind of fucking mangina are you? Both scenarios involve the man buying sex, the latter simply gives clearly defined rights and obligations to both parties.

>>49027375
>the latter simply gives clearly defined rights and obligations to both parties
There are no 'rights' for a man in the dating scenario.

Remember, paying for dinner doesn't mean you deserve sex. But it doesn't mean you'll get an interesting conversation either.

>>49027370
>I don't care for morals
Then what the fuck are you doing in a moral discussion, dipshit?

>I'm merely pointing out alternatives exists
So if a carnivore can't get meat, he should eat grass? You're saying you can just "choose" to go gay.

>Even without whores there will always be sluts.
And if sluts slept with everyone instead of only high value men, whores would not exist because there would be no place for them on the market. But over here on planet earth, prostitution is the world's oldest profession.

>>49027397
>There are no 'rights' for a man in the dating scenario.
That's my fucking point, nigger.

>>49027430
We're some 150 posts in, follow the reply chain.
Also now it sounds like you're either baiting or genuinely bothered that certain someone didn't put out and convinced more money would fix that.

>>49027453
Sorry, I misread your post and the other guys. You're right.

>>49027470
Have you never had a date so shitty that you wished you hadn't gone on it? Wouldn't you rather have spent the same amount of money on pussy without the effort?

>>49027397
Exactly. The men get as much say whether the relationship happens as the women. Ultimately you get ideal men with ideal women and the chaff is free to do as it pleases amongst its lesser selves. The dating helps partners find other of equal worth and value. And before you say "but 3/10 women get 7+/10 men!" Tough shit. Women make the babies they could use any man for that so they get to be a bit picky.
>in b4 WAAAH MUH FEEFEE'S
Grow up.

>>49027525
>Women make the babies
Except they're barely even doing that anymore

>>49027499
Why the fuck waste that kind of money then? The second it doesn't meet your standards leave. This ensures partners are at the same worth as previously stated.
Chicks a shit conversationalist or super awkward? Fucking leave and find one that isn't and leave the faulty one for someone of similar quality to pick up.

>>49027572
That just shoves the worth up then which means they get to be picky. What are you not understanding about this?

>>49027606
>What are you not understanding about this?
How we ended up in the situation where snobby entitled womens refusal to mate means that the government has to import 3rd world monkeys to replace the native population

>>49027525
>The men get as much say whether the relationship happens as the women
Briffault's law proves you wrong. Due to differing levels of libido -especially in a society that has banned prostitution- the man is far more likely to want sex than the woman. The man is even willing to pay for a scenario where the woman can deny him sex. This means the woman has total control over whether or not a relationship (which later includes sex) will happen.

The only possible equalizer is a society where prostitution is common, cheap and accepted, a society where men can dump their jizz in cheap cocksleeves and then can go on dates with women on equal footing (due to entirely equal desires, as the libido gap is entirely eliminated).

>And before you say "but 3/10 women get 7+/10 men!" Tough shit.
What you're saying is that men should voluntarily accept a shit deal. This isn't about feefees, this is about men picking the rational option. And more and more often, that rational option is simply abandoning women in favor of porn and vidya. This is why our society is heading for a marriage crisis: because men are rational beings who can recognize a shit deal even with all the window dressing. And those men stupid enough to think women care about their concerns are called pussies or even misogynists. What option is left other than dropping out?

>>49027606
I don't think it's so much a lack of understanding on his (her?) part as much as a desperate desire to defend the status quo. The red pill is a bitter one to swallow. I should know, I vehemently denied this shit for years.

>>49027632
Forget that last part, I misread the post chain.

>>49027499
As a matter of fact, no. I went from /ss/ where boy isn't supposed to pay for anything because he's a kid though college where expense to make somebody put out are negligible to working enough overtimes to kill any urges I might have had in this regard.
But maybe that's just me.

>>49027632
>equalizer
Who said anything about equal parts here?
We even went over that it's not equal and that's just tough shit suck it up. You get to pay to do the dance she gets to pay with her ability to make children to do the dance. End of the day this equates to partners worthy of their partners pairing up. Women hold a key part in the equation your money can't touch and so any chance at equal parts gets thrown out at the window as you can't compete.
End of the day they hold the key to the kingdom by right of birth and you don't. Tough shit, suck it up.

>>49027766
>Who said anything about equal parts here?
And there's the problem, and there's why prostitution is a downright neccessity.

>We even went over that it's not equal and that's just tough shit suck it up.
Why suck it up when there are better alternatives? There's a reason why traditionalists and feminists alike want to ban prostitution: because a man who can't eat steak won't eat shit unless he really likes the taste of shit.

>End of the day they hold the key to the kingdom by right of birth and you don't.
And the kingdom is held afloat by slave labor. I prefer exile as a freeman, as does a growing number of men with me. Instead of whining about "thoughing up", look at historical trends and realize that making marriage a favorable deal for men is what makes a civilization swim or sink.

I'm never going to end up getting a girlfriend will I. This thread has shown me that.

>>49027855
I was with you until you went all MGOTW.

Just take the low hanging fruit and use prostitutes or porn when you can't be bothered with that, don't make this an ideological matter just because women are overvalued in modern society.

>>49027855
I think the problem here is you seem to be under the impression everything should be fair and even for everyone everywhere and that there should be as much push as you give. Thats sadly not how life works and goes right back to my "quit bitching and grow up." Point. We're making people better by making them work for what they want. Not make shit people by making what they want easier to achieve. This is a childs way of thinking.

>>49027898
Eh don't worry, /r9k/ just broke containment and landed here. You'll be fine. Just develop interesting hobbies. Or interests in things that girl's hover around to pick up guys into those things. It's not that hard.
If all else fails, join your local military branch. Militaryness adds like, +4 to every man.

>>49027928
/k/ put me off the kind of girls that hang around military guys

>>49027928
>Or interests in things that girl's hover around to pick up guys into those things.
Which would those be?

I'm having a really hard time finding girls after graduating from uni (didn't touch girls there because I spent like 12 hours a day studying, big mistake)

>>49027912
>Just take the low hanging fruit
Why? Give me one reason to want it.
You know one of the reasons going MGTOW was relatively easy for me is because I have close to no libido, right? The ONE thing women have to offer men effectively doesn't work for me. Then what remains, other than a big steaming pile of nothing?

>don't make this an ideological matter just because women are overvalued in modern society
How the fuck can't you see that the overvaluing of women is in itself something socio-political?

>>49027898
That's not a bad thing though.

>>49027898
Not unless you're active and willing to scrape a bit. Don't go in assuming you'll land a 11/10 bombshell traditionalist housewife that will fully accept you as a human being without any work being required. Lower standards to a proper degree then be shocked and excited when you land one above it.
A good way of determining this is to take an accounting of your life and yourself then do so physically for yourself and rate it on a 1-10 scale then minus 2 points as your psyche and ego naturally sees itself as above itself. Hunt for women within 1 point of difference from that number.
Don't use a mirror use a camera to see how you look physically and do so in neutral lighting. Again for whatever reason our brain perceives as vastly better looking in a mirror and can't properly apply that filter to still photos.

>>49027952
>Which would those be?
Music or the ones that make you money ;^)

>>49027927
No. I seem to be under the impression that people can, and should, walk away from a shitty deal. And that's why marriage is a dying institution and women out of their sexual prime are complaining about a lack of "good" men.

>>49027928
>wanting military welfare queens
Yeah, no.
Most women realize how damaged or hopeless you have to be to actually have to join a military branch than, say, an office job.

>>49027950
You misunderstand, don't let your hobby be 'military' or you just attract those types. But being able to say "Oh, and I'm military. Look at my athletic body." makes you more attractive.

>>49027952
Just pick the type of girls you want and figure out where they stereotypically hang out. For example: Southern US country girls? Church, Redneck conventions, or country music festivals. Gain an interest in those things and you should be able to pick one up.

>>49027999
>settling for an ugly girl because I decided to focus on academics instead of athletics
See stuff like this is what makes me want to just stick to video games and anime.

>>49027952
Wow. You fucked up. That was THE biggest window you had for that shit. best bet now? Dating sites or make friends through work and hope they introduce you to chicks tangentially. Don't be shocked at the quality of women you get from this as it will be lower than you hoped for.

>>49028065
I hate giving up and settling. I guess I'm just destined to end up alone.

Having my mother basically shadowing me and tiger moming me throughout uni to do nothing but study and be home every night as soon as classes were over didn't help... I just want some freedom in my life holy shit when will I ever get this I want to cry every day.

>>49028060
Should have set up a line on shit or been better at what you were doing to have enough time afterwards for chicks. Instead you gave something your entire focus and now you're surprised other areas atrophied leaving you screwed.
It's called resource management and its the main cause of failure for human life and businesses.

>>49028065
Or do a post-grad and pick up younger girls.

>>49028111
I'm sorry you're Asian.

>>49028111
>Your asian
Then you should have said so. Ask mom to phone home and get one of her friends to send you a good bride or something.

>>49028111
You know you're the poster child of that study about the sociological differences between kids in dorm life and those who lived at home right? You not only atrophied your social life but your development as a whole.

>>49028143
>>49028147
>>49028118
The worst part is I'm not even asian. I'm white but my mother took a page from asian parenting 101, and now I have no friends, no contacts, and no life.

But enough of this, this is off topic and it's just making me want to cry.

>>49028111
>I hate giving up and settling
Good. What you need to realize if you want to get with women is that you inherrently have ZERO value to women. Women do not care whether men live or die, they literally do not. You only become a blip on her radar once you provide her with a direct benefit. And no, being nice isn't a fucking benefit because everyone on the fucking planet is nice to her because she has a vagina. You need to be a cashcow, be of high social status, be a musclehorse or incredibly charismatic to have value to her.

Why do you think the classic date is a fancy dinner where a man picks up the tab? Because he's proving is worth as a provider. You're not getting to know her, you're trying to prove yourself worthy of her presence and attention.

If you don't enjoy being a manservant without rights or dignity, learn to enjoy the friendship of other men (so you don't become a shut-in) and abandon women.

>>49020880
>>49020918
I think he means actual pimping, not this management BS

>>49028118
>women wanting to date a guy who's not only out of their age group but is willing to throw away money and put themselves into debt
Number one thing of this generations women that they look for in a man? Fiscal responsibility. Not fiscal capability. They want a man that shows he won't waste money or cripple himself financially by over reaching as thats now the safe marriage bet rather than just money.

>>49028160
Tell your mom off, salvage your life, learn where you can make cuts to make time for other things, do those other things, live.
You got like a 5 years for all of that at this point.

>>49028160
Well, you can still get arranged marriage. Just hope you don't mind having to give up alcohol and praying 3 times a day.

>>49028170
>>>women wanting to date a guy who's not only out of their age group
I like that you're even pretending this is a factor when it isn't.

The criteria are
>physical attractiveness
>fitness
>wealth
>charisma
>social status
Meet enough of them and you can get a girl 30 years younger while her own age group grind their teeth in impotent rage

>>49028160
Make a run for it. If you have a bachelor's they'll take you as an officer, and the further you can get away from your mom, the better. Pic the right branch air force and you'll have maximum comfort as they ship you somewhere else. By the time you leave you should be able to function on your own.

I don't know how to salvage your dating life, but you need to jump continents away from what you have now.

>>49028184
>Advising the guy to tell off literally the only woman who sees him as a being with inherrent human dignity so he can get his dick wet and eventually be locked in a deal that requires him to hand over either his balls or half of his past, present and future income which in the worst case scenario robs him of the right to see his own flesh and blood which could very well lead to an early suicide

No, fuck you. FUCK YOU. Idiots like you prepetuate a system that eats men and shits alimony.

>>49028218
>Dying for Israel to get your dick wet

>>49028205
Which religion is this? I thought Islam was 5 times a day.

>>49028233
As an officer in the air force? He's not boots on the ground, he's the guy in the back telling guys to put their boots on the ground. That's a day job in a fancy suit. Hell being enlisted in the air force is basically blue collar work in a fancy suit.

>The first half of that post.
Get off of 4chan anon's mom. You already ripped his balls off and treat him like a wind-up doll.

>>49025823
I mashed up an Iggwilv-ruled-Perrenland, Rashemen and Thay next to each other in this one game I ran in a kind of magical cold war.

Also shit this thread got hilarious.

>>49028170
>>49028184
>>49028218
Fuck this shit is getting me depressed.

I'm not even American so the military option is off the table. Maybe I can get a good job at google or something in California and get out of this frozen wasteland of overpriced hell.

>>49028210
It's not. Women are defaulting to caretaker views of men again as the economy is in a slight downturn again and middle class living is vastly harder to achieve than when they became a fixture in the work place.
They also realize due to this exposure that its not tons of money that counts but the ability to live with what money you do have.
If you don't believe me it's literally this generations number on looked for trait in men for college aged women.
They're willing to settle for men that are capable of keeping them at a happy medium rather than men that can give an extravagant "now" and burn out "later".
The most sought after would be those already working in a steady field during studies.

>>49028328
>middle class living is vastly harder to achieve
Because the middle class is being destroyed by (((a certain people)))

>>49028290
>Get off of 4chan anon's mom. You already ripped his balls off and treat him like a wind-up doll.
Very well, describe the most realistic scenario for a man who pursues a woman. Calculate in the 50% divorce probability and roughly 10% chance of paternity fraud, as well as the fact that he WILL be dating a woman below his league due to the inherrent gynocentrism of the system and the fact that she'll contribute nothing of worth to the relationship. Go.

>>49028320
Stop being pathetic and realize you don't need a woman to be happy.

>>49028344
It doesn't matter what the cause is to them. They just want a guaranteed life raft that won't sink any time soon. If that means its not a yacht then so be it at least they get to live and don't have to swim.
"Make do." Is the middle classes current motto.

>>49028184
I don't even know where to start.

>>49028365
It's not even about women anymore.

>>49028384
Start by realizing that was advice for getting his life on track and self sustaining not for getting his dick wet.

>>49028365
>>>/r9k/
>>>/pol/
pick one. If anon wants a woman to be happy, then he wants a woman. Get off your high horse and realize that most of that shit happens in the lower brackets of countries.
Besides, his mom's already treating him like an emasculated man
So worst comes to worst? Nothing changes except anon's gotten laid.

>>49028384
>>49028320
At this point, my last advice is when you start working in your field, do what anyone sane would do and make friends with the people at work, or try online dating.

And move out ASAP.

>>49028409
It's amusing how that anon was projecting his own hopelessness so fucking hard that managed to bungle up a standard message of "do for self" and rant about the evul wimmin.
>so happy I was never like that

>>49028117

Holy shit, this.

It boggles my mind how people selectively ignore resource management while they bitch about women.

"I was busy" they would say, "I focused on studies too much" others would insist. But you know what? I bet you everyone who says those things spends two hours max on studies and uses the rest of it to browse online or play video-games. Even people with 10 hour full-time jobs get three days off work, and in that time you should find a drink at the bar or a night with the guys just as effective a way to "unwind" as jerking off to anime.

You should literally not have to spend every waking hour at college with your nose buried in a textbook, that is a sign of you being in a course out of your league or outright lying because you want to make yourself sound studious.

God, I would feel retarded saying this if I haven't heard the "I was busy" argument so damn much from nerds trying to excuse a wasted youth, a wasted college experience and a wasted life. You have to consciously ignore women and your social networks at college, it seems daunting to jump in not because it's so difficult, but you've atrophied so much.

That's the tragedy of this all, don't you think? These people think women and friends and partying is some thing they just can't unlock because the bar is unreasonably high, when the truth is they let themselves get so short and wasted the bar only *looks* high.

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I think not, as long as it's handled properly.

>>49028445
>If anon wants a woman to be happy, then he wants a woman.
And if anon wants meth to be happy, then he wants meth. Who are we to tell him meth is bad for him?

>So worst comes to worst?
Anon ends up paying a disproportionally expensive mealticket for a woman who never loved him and 1-3 children he's not allowed to see again.
>M-Muh visitation rights though
You know some mothers purposely move far away to make it practically impossible for the father to exercise his already meagre visitation rights and the courts can't do anything about it, right?

Worst comes to worst, anon fucking kills himself.

>>49028497
You're still full of >>49028471

>>49028512
Not an argument.

>>49028033

Women out of their sexual prime complain about a lack of "good" men for the same reason 25+ year old kissless virgins complain about their lack of relationship prospects.

It's not a sign of people wising up, it's the bleating of people enraged at themselves for wasting their youth on frivolous useless crap.

>>49028525
It's not supposed to be an argument, it's a call out on how you are injecting your own warped point of view to a statement that, until you blubbered on, did not concern women, but gaining independence and social experience required to succeed in society.

>>49028576
Are you implying those male virgins had better prospects when they were 15? Do you not understand how men and women work?

>>49028704
>That's how we know your opinion is worthless.
That's a sign that I'm done entertaining your delusions. Don't you have frogposting to do somewhere?

>>49020333
Not chaotic, just evil.

>>49028618

They might have if they actually put effort into making themselves more desirable sexual partners, something that (at that age) is literally a matter of basic social skills and a bit of muscle?

And you're ignoring the point of my post, that the old hag is unmarried for the same reason the kissless virgin is unmarried; because they're both broken, terrible people that squandered the time they had playing at life and only too late realized it was all too real.

The old hag is unmarried not because men sizes up, she's unmarried because she has terrible taste in men and can't hold a long-term relationship. She's getting sex but never a lover, or if she gets a lover she never finds a spouse. These things are not hard to find, which means the fault is on her for not getting a "good" one.

That's really the thing, "good ones" are not rare, but much like how the kissless virgin convinces himself and other robots that "all women are whores" the hag convinces herself that "all men are below me."

And then she wakes up at 40 and childless and realizes she knew quite a few men that could have been good husbands.

>>49028782
>something that (at that age) is literally a matter of basic social skills
On what planet
>and a bit of muscle
You know that's already more effort than most women over the course of their entire lives, right?

>that the old hag is unmarried for the same reason the kissless virgin is unmarried; because they're both broken, terrible people
No, you idiot. The old hag wasted her prime, the kissless virgin (notice that he's automatically male!) never had a prime to begin with. Because he has no inherrent value to women, and failed to enhance his value through social status or money. If he wins the lottery, overnight he becomes a fucking sex machine.

The woman constantly tried to aim higher than she could, and figured out that the only eligible men left are ones she still considers beneath her (like our 25+ virgin friend).

>>49021000
So it's looked down upon by certain facets of society like alcohol, abortion, and hunting.
That doesn't make it immoral.

>>49028818

Sour grapes much? You're bitching and moaning about men having to put effort into proving themselves a viable mate when most men have already known this since forever.

Jesus dude, listen to yourself, you're whining about the kissless virgin actually having to put effort into improving themselves when that should be something that should go without saying.

The kissless virgin at 15 can easily become a pussy slaying Chad by 25 if we puts effort into it, much like the old hag could find love and happiness in the arms of a good man if she's willing to open her eyes and look.

>>49029261
Can the 23 year old kissless virgin become Chad?

>>49029586
Anyone can. Its called self improvement, just apply yourself.

>>49029586
Self-improvement never stops being an option, but it also never stops something you should be doing for yourself.

Honestly, most people could get laid if they stopped trying to have the fast and easy hook up and a dedicated relationship. Most of the people crying about not getting laid seem to see women as some kind of complex vending machine where they have to push certain buttons to get sex and I think that speaks to how stunted emotionally and mentally they are to believe that. Women are just people. Other mutherfuckin people. They have wants and needs just like you do. Either you want a dedicated relationship with someone as an equal or you want something entirely different. I don't get why people think they can trick someone into liking them by pretending they're into whatever that person is and then their relationship will somehow work despite that. Shit, you know why "chad" gets dumb chicks at the club? Because rock stupid chad and the rock stupid chicks at the club have a lot in fucking common. Look, if you don't want a partner for life or whatever, more power to ya. If you can find a girl who'll meet your unrealistic expectations of a mommy you can fuck, that's your prerogative, but stop pretending you're not being contrarian in what you want.

>ITT incel millenials interrupt a perfectly good discussion on Gate to speculate on how relations with a female gender would work.

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>>49020333
The act of exchanging sex for material gain is so basic that animals have been observed doing it.

>>49029846
>Shit, you know why "chad" gets dumb chicks at the club? Because rock stupid chad and the rock stupid chicks at the club have a lot in fucking common
Probably the most meaningful sentence in this wall of text

>>49029940
>ITT incel millenials interrupt a perfectly good discussion on Gate to speculate on how relations with a female gender would work.

What are we supposed to say? That we want to put our dicks inside the extremely voluptuous angel girl with juicy dick-sucking lips and the skills to use them?

>>49025603
That top end one sounds like the mother of a friend of mine.

>>49030086
Fuck her, it's much cheaper

>>49030266
Anon's mom has is going on...

>>49030266
Oh online friend, her mom is literally a high end escort who may or may not exist.

>>49020333
Chaotic, sure. Evil, no.

>>49030373
Used to have a friend who's mum was an escort. Took her out to prom as a joke and he didn't take it well that i fully intended to get my 3grand's worth.

>>49028782
>they're both broken, terrible people
What the hell is with people and evoking the Just World Fallacy all over the god damn place.
It doesn't add up no matter what.
If you're Christian, the world isn't just and the bible tells you so. Bad shit happens to good people.
If you're Athiest, the world isn't just and it's common sense.

What is wrong with people blaming victims whenever the problem isn't a conventional one like being robbed or murdered?

>>49026902
I did the research and reversed image searched the OP picture, apparently it's fan art of a Japanese roguelike called Elona, it's about a sorta game exploit you can do. To explain the little girl you can get her as a "Pet" early in the game, the older woman is probably just a party member.

The exploit itself is you can gift booze to any NPC in the game, hence the bag full of bottles and then sell your character's body to them in exchange for gold, regardless of race or gender.

>>49030500
For the most part we are makers of our own fate. For better or for worse. When Bad Shit (TM) happens to people, it's usually their own fault.

>>49031029
This is completely fucking wrong god damn you're retarded.
What kind of privileged life are you leading to believe such a thing?

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>>49031100

>He is unironically arguing that he can't get laid due to powers beyond his control

>>49031118
I called you out on Just World Fallacy.
All you can do is Ad Homonim in response.
Dumb anime poster.
>When Bad Shit (TM) happens to people, it's usually their own fault.
>Everything bad that happens is a persons own fault, unless it's inconvenient for me to claim that it's their fault until it's okay for me to again.
At what point is being poor someones fault and at what point is it not?
Can you provide logical reasons for clear breakpoints and ones that aren't entirely arbitrary?
A kid born into a poor house, is it their fault?
Is it their fault as soon as they turn 18?
When exactly does it become their fault, when they couldn't afford college so ended up working retail their whole life?
Come on, explain to me.

>>49030454
But did you?

>>49031118
Nah bitch don't run away.
Lets use a less ambiguous example: Slavery.
At what point is it the slaves fault they are still a slave?
They can literally run away at any time or refuse to work, so is it always a slaves fault they are a slave therefore slavery is justified?

>>49031100
Born slav gutter rat, clawed my way to middle class. I basically pass for white people now. Vast majority of bad things in my life can be traced back to some bad decision. Vast majority of good things can be traced back to some good decision. Earliest noteworthy point would be at 10 or 11 years of age.

>>49031292
> They can literally run away at any time or refuse to work, so is it always a slaves fault they are a slave therefore slavery is justified?

Yes. If it's so bad, leave instead of bitching about how awful it is that you have to do some actual work in exchange for room and board.

>>49031342
You do know economy is a zero sum game, right?
For you to succeed, others must fail otherwise you have hyperinflation and everyone is poor.

>>49031365
Ok you win

>>49031292
Slavery is ancient history now. Try to keep up. These days, if your life is shit, nine times out of ten it's your own damn fault.

>>49031394
>Slavery is ancient history now.
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4204675.stm

>>49031379
>You do know economy is a zero sum game, right?
Uhh, that's for longer discussion that I really don't feel like starting now. Overall wealth of world / nation vs wealth distribution in the society. Plus some other factor. Personally I believe that importance of wealth is somewhat non-linear.

>For you to succeed, others must fail
Doggy dog world, huh? You don't need to remind me.

>>49023189
Only if you do it willingly, especially when you know your ex is gonna try and hook back up with you again at that party.

>>49031542
Isn't the phrase actually "dog-eat-dog world"?

>>49031217
Well yeah. Hell i still see and chat with her occasionally and i live far closer than he does for shit like yard work.

>>49031635
I always took it for granite that it was doggy dog world. You've peaked my interest now.

>>49020333
prostitution as a general concept? no. prostitution as the very specific model that we're familiar with in real world examples? yeah.

>>49031767
You're one off to play doubles advocate here.

>>49031767
Alright, we've gone from eggcorns to puns, and I'm pissed I'm not in the situation to make any

>>49031784
>one off
???
Explain. I understood the rest, this one is new.>>49031811
What?
You fuckers are just making shit up now

>>49031823
It's a relatively new term from 2003 to describe the phenomena of unintentionally misspelling common words and phrases, given its name from someone recalling a story of a woman who wrote "eggcorn" instead of "acorn". He was frustrated there wasn't a word for it, and a doctor said "why not just call it an eggcorn, since it perfectly describes the situation?"

>>49031784
>>49031811
For all intensive purposes I'm bring quite earnest, but it looks like I don't know my idioms that well, so I should nip it in the butt and start towing the line when it comes to those phrases.

>>49031823
Shush, clitbiscuit, we're always making shit up. And that's okay. The joy of puns wouldn't be complete without some poor sod that just doesn't get it. Looks like today it's you.

>>49031823
>>49031895
"In linguistics, an eggcorn is an idiosyncratic substitution of a word or phrase for a word or words that sound similar or identical in the speaker's dialect (sometimes called oronyms). The new phrase introduces a meaning that is different from the original but plausible in the same context, such as "old-timers' disease" for "Alzheimer's disease"." copy and pasted straight from Wikipedia

>>49031975
>>49031895
With how all these eggcorns took off years ago on 4chan how is it this is the first time I'm actually hearing the term for it?

>>49031895
Sorry, they were a professor of linguistics

>>49032028
Honestly? I only just now learned the name for it, and I'm glad there's a way to actually label the occurrence

>>49032031
Well, at least it's just one new word and not whole new language and then another one and then 3-volume book about them...

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>>49032089
I know who you're Tolkien about

>>49023312
I'm a conservative American atheist and I dislike prostitution. Not because I think there's something inherently wrong with the idea, but because I think people fuck too much as it is. Every day I have to listen to stupid women cry on the radio about how they had three kids with "the wrong guy" and now they're considering leaving him and robbing their kids of a normal fucking childhood. The world is too full of stupid assholes as it is, did you just have to bring more into it?

You shouldn't fuck someone you wouldn't want to raise the children of. I'm not saying every act of sex has to be for the purposes of procreation, but why would you fuck someone you barely even know? And then 10 years later they turn out to be a fucking psychopath. Whoops. Do people really have such low self-control? Are they that selfish and short-sighted?

Of course, I'm in sort of a biased position. I'm not just a perma-virgin myself, but I'm also the child of a drunken 15-year old girl who was taken advantage of at a party by a drunken 18-year old boy, and I don't feel like I belong in this world, but I'm too much of a pussy to kill myself.

>>49032270
Calm down there friend. Please review your own arguments and see that none of the points raised actually apply to prostitution at all.

>>49032270
>Prostitution for bringing more kids into the world.
ButThat'sWrong.jpg

>Spoiler
Sorry your life was shit but it's irrelevant to this discussion.

>>49031895
I thought that was a mondegreen.

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>this thread

>>49032408
Mondegreens are related specifically to lyrics of songs and lines of poems, whereas an eggcorn is related to common phrases in day to day life

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>>49021799
No it isn't, because some animals engage in prostitution. Not really as a profession, sure, but considering the mounting archaeological evidence that the earliest permanent settlements predate agriculture, we can at least exclude farming from the running for world's oldest profession.

>>49020851
Turn off SafeSearch.

>>49032270
If you're getting pregnant as a prostitute then something has probably gone very wrong.

Go find something to enjoy or love you enormous turbofag. It doesn't matter if you belong here, you're here now and you aren't an hero so you might as well make the best of it. The world's a big place, there's room enough for one more dipshit.

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>>49030989
........niceee

>>49033430
Sadly it's not an ero game, so all the lewds is just fade to black and an RNG chance to get and STD that lowers your stats.

>>49020369
>>49020918
>>49021044

What has /tg/ taught us about pimping.

Smart GOOD pimps will be able to provide their girls "The best dental"

Dumb GOOD pimps will have to shut their business down and figure out how to "get these girls respectable lives."

Smart EVIL pimps also provide "the best dental." They just don't do it nicely.

Dumb EVIL pimps cause a need for "the best dental"

>>49033721

Smart evil pimps provide the best dental while advertising his girls as being the finest throat-fucks in the city.

>>49033766
Smart good pimps could also do this.

>>49033800

Nah, smart good pimps don't need to advertise, his girls will do the throat fucks on their own and word of mouth about their mouths will do the rest.

Smart evil surprises his girls with customers who insist on bulging their throats.

>>49033863
Ah, I will concied to this point.

>>49033721
But we're missing the LAW/CHAOS axis!

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Prostitution is neither chaotic, lawful, good, or evil. It simply is what it is.
You can do it for good or bad reasons, the results may be questionable, but the act itself can't be specific with any alignment.

A lawful good nun might give her body to her captors in exchange for the orphans' lives. A chaotic evil whore might extort money out of her clients who have wives. A neutral prostitute in a brothel is just doing it for the money, like any other job.

You can't assign alignments to actions, it's why the actions are happening that you assign an alignment to.

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>>49029963

>>49034328
So if i torture people for a paycheck but i personally don't care either way about the job, the person, or situation in general just like i would any other job i'm at worst a neutral person?

>>49026520

It's was also very common to celebrate winning a battle by publishing triumphant propaganda claiming to have successfully completed genocide. Many of the tribes "destroyed" in the OT are in fact the ancestors of still-existing people groups and there are several archaeological finds of monuments dedicated to the "total destruction" of Israel.

I know this because we studied at church. Because we aren't fucking idiots.

>>49034514
It's quite different morally to do something you don't enjoy, and do things to others that are physically and mentally painful and traumatizing.

>>49028165

Which is the definition of "No True Scotsman." Anything is evil if you limit the definition of it to people doing it evilly.

>>49034514
Prostitution is a consensual act

usually

>>49034555
Are butchers evil for what they do to animals then?

>>49020333
Fuck no.
Maybe ammoral depending on your views, but not inherently.
Forcing someone against their will and health to be a whore IS evil.

>>49034652
>what they do to animals then?
>what they do to carcasses
Are vultures evil?

>>49020333
I wouldn't say evil but I would say chaotic.
That individual isn't necessarily bad but I wouldn't say they're good without knowing more about them.

>>49020333
If your society is rules by a cabal that benefits from selling snake oil to people thanks to societal expectations that keep men deprived of sex and love, and women deprived of money and power.
Of course it is you go...guy!

>>49034983
.. I know it isn't generally appreciated or considered important by 4chan, but I would actually be fascinated to hear a few different women's perspective on this quote.

>>49020820
>implying women can love

>>49034911
I suppose i meant the butchers the process animals. They don't just arrive dead of natural causes, y'know?

>>49035427
Well that depends on a lot of complex philosophies and personal ideals, on one hand I can't say it's ok to just kill animals, but on the other people have to eat, however eating is a must sex is not (on the individual level) and animals do not hold the same value as people. In the end the answer is more complicated than a yes or no, there are a myriad of reasons necessary to give either answer and just as many to rebuke.

>>49035427
It's neutral, because killing a non-sentient for sustenance, resources, and in self preservation is not evil and it isn't good. Killing non-sentients in mass and just leaving the corpse without using them on the other hand.

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>>49021130
>>49021197
DID SOMEONE SAY JAPANESE WAR CRIMES

>>49022780
A client of mine is a jet set escort. We often pay each other's services with services of our own.
It's funny because she looks like a rich old guy's hot early 20's wife, and I look like the ragged tramp such women fuck on the side. You could cast a soap opera from this.

>>49023312
>>>49023285
>So why is there such a strong opposition to legal prostitution in the USA?
>Is it due to the conservatives who think it's a sin, or the liberals who think putting a price on pussy cheapens the common woman?

Friend, if you'll review the post you replied to, you'll note something.

>>49023285
>Unless you have some kind of police state.

I love America, I'm a proud American. I'm glad I don't live in a European shithole being led by unelected EU shitlords, and I adore muh guns. However, America is basically a lazy police state.

>>49035597
The japanese did not commit any war crimes.
>>49035598
>We often pay each other's services with services of our own.
I don't understand this sentence.

>>49027068
Celibacy is linked to earlier prostate cancer.

>>49027999
>A good way of determining this is to take an accounting of your life and yourself then do so physically for yourself and rate it on a 1-10 scale then minus 2 points as your psyche and
ego naturally sees itself as above itself. Hunt for women within 1 point of difference from that number.

Not that guy, but let's see.. I'd rank myself '2' for looks, and about a 3 on career prospects. When it comes it 'interests', I'd give myself a 1.

So a minus 1, a zero, and a 1 after adjusting for ego. That averages out to... 0. So I should look for 1s on a scale of 1-10. That seems kind of not worth it DESU.

>>49035768
I'm just going to go for a 9, and just spam with women until I get what I want.

I mean there are tens of thousands of eligible women in my city right now, I'll find one.

>>49027606
Why this is allowed.
Women are useless, the only thing they do that truly makes them necessary is sex and caretaking, now they don't want to do even that and demand 10/10 husbandos for a workforce quality so low nobody would even hire women if it wasn't ilegal not to.

>>49027952
Money.
Spending other people's money is women's one true hobby.

>>49035619
We do each other's taxes.

>>49035824
Incoherent sexism. Get back to /pol/.

>>49035892
Actually spending other people's money is the hobby of the "bitch." The "bitch" is much like the black man's "nigger" or the Mexicans "Chollo", in that she ruins things for women by creating and perpetuating a stereotype.

To paraphrase Chris Rock, the bitches have got to go.

>>49036204
Is this a euphemism?

>>49023697
If it makes you feel better for having to pay for it.

>>49035178
I'm very curious what the fuck that comment has anything to do with 'cheating'.

>>49020333
It may not be even chaotic.

Harems were a good example of this. It was a school for noble womans and mens to make them comcubine and janissars that serve and obey the empire.

The harem would keep them away from their families and doctrine them properly since childhood, that would prevent rebellions and family strife for the throne.

After some time on service concubines could settle down and find a good marriage.

It was a good way to prevent backstab and drama between the nobles.

On tribal societys it was even more natural. Not all barbarian societys had distincts taks for man and woman, few members would share their expolits between all the town and they may not be necessarily monogamic. Then a woman gets pregenant and it becomes for her to hunt, run and fight... So, a woman usually would trade her favors for this kind of help.

>>49038267
It becomes hard for her to hunt, run and fight*

well whatever, my english is shit anyway...

>>49020732
Is there more of her ? And when can I look it up without reading that garbage manga again ?