Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

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First for Jaina and Arthas forever

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>>48970009
FIRST FOR BEST GIRL

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>>48970057
.......he dead for real this time nigga

>>48970061
Fuck.

>/vg/ thread on /tg/
>zero tabletop discussion

At least pretend, guys. At least pretend.

>>48970076
how would we go about saving prince goldilocks and getting him to make a babby with jaina?
>>48970088
So, the same as WHFB threads right?

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>48970088
I roll to penetrate your anus with frostmourne

Rolled 4 (1d20)

>>48970088
>>48970109
I roll to assist

>>48970088
>/vg/ thread on /tg/

Have you SEEN /wowg/? You could cram all the trolling and shitposting of the last five threads here and still come up better, quality-wise, than that abomination.

>>48970088
We only shout about lore here

No one talks about raiding or questing or whatever the fuck people do in-game now

>>48970129
d-does this mean Frostmourne penetrates us? Only 1s are fumbles right?

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>>48970145
literally the only good general on /vg/ is /twg/. People there make mods and help each other out.

>>48970109
>>48970129
>you trip and fall as you are unable to balance the weight of the heavy blade
>it pierces your anus and you orgasm as your prostate is stimulated

Roll to retrieve frostmourne.

Rolled 16 (1d20)

>>48970181
DID THAT PLEASE YOU NER'ZHUL?!

>>48970181
I'm not quite sure that's a fail roll

>>48970169
/dfg/ is pretty good, if I say so myself..

>>48970193
>deftly with years of practice you reach behind and finger that giant hunk of metal lodged in your anus and pick it out. You cannot help but moan in pleasure as it hits your prostate on it's way out.

What do you do now?

>>48970197
oh yeah, I forgot about that. Popular games like wow, overwatch and the like are cancer.

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>48970291
Slaughter the inhabitants of Goldshire to prevent an outbreak of humans

>>48970168
Yes, Sylvanas, Frostmourne penetrates you.

>>48970369
>yfw Sylvanas wanted Arthas to penetrate her all along.

>>48970329
>Unfortunately you arrive too late, a fearsome army has claimed Goldshire and lays siege to Stormwind. The Gnolls of Redridge have united with the endless Murlocs of Elwynn and they fight under a single banner, not a man, woman or child is left alive in Goldshire. You moan with dissatisfaction.

What do you do now?

Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>48970467
Raise the dead to take vengeance on the gnolls and murlocs

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>>48970580
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

>>48970590
They denied me my right. They shall suffer

>>48970580
>with cold fury upon your brow you strike deep in the earth with frostmourne and begin to raise the dead. your fury gives you potency and soon you realize the spell you cast is far too great.
>the dead of the first war, both orc and human rise up alongside the residents of goldshire. you have your army and more

who do you go after?

Rolled 9 (1d20)

>>48970645
I bet it was Hogger's doing. I raid everything he holds dear

>>48970726
tracking check failed

>you swear to slaughter the gnolls who dwell in the forest for stealing your rightful kills. You begin to track the gnolls, encouraged by your power your minions lead the way, their tracks destroying the trail. You realize you are at the outskirts of stormwind with a giant army of the dead and holding frostmourne

What do?

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>48970862
Enraged due to my minion's incompetence, i vandalize the entrance

>>48970970
>You ride up to the gates of stormwind and watch as panic grips the city. The dead have come.

>you point the eldritch blade at the city and start to walk towards it, intent on destroying the gate with the power of the runeblade

>you trip and fall, and frostmourne flies in the air and lodges itself in your rear receptacle. A feeling of shame and pleasure fills you as your prostate is stimulated again and you make a mess of yourself in front of the defenders.

>you can hear them laughing at you..

What do you do.

Rolled 8 (1d20)

>>48971007
Retrieve the accursed blade, again

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>>48971086
>you attempt to retrieve the blade, but for some reason it isn't coming out with a smooth flourish
>you try to do that again but it is lodged more firmly up your ass.
>finally you tell your minions draw the blade from your buttocks, all the while shivering as your prostate is shredded from the sword.

what do?

>>48971007
>>48971154
>Oh shit, even Uther the Lightbringer has returned from beyond death to laugh at your humiliation. He strides across the causeway and levels a Hammer.
"I once said that Vengeance must never be a part of what a Paladin does Arthas. But this time I'll make an exception"
He swings the hammer wide, hoping to catch your skull as you try to ready yourself for battle with your poo-ey sword.

>>48970106
The Alternate Parallel Reality where Thrall died as an infant, and Blackmoore sobered up appearantly has Blackmoore kicking Doomhammer's ass, making an army of Orcs, took over Lordaeron, and shit had Arthas marry Jaina and flee to Stormwind.
They had a kid named Uther.

>>48971310
what is this dumb bullshit?
lordaeron just stood there where blackmoore used belligerent orcs to build an army?

Rolled 12 (1d20)

>>48971240
RIPOSTE THE HAMMER

>>48971356
It was written by Christie Golden, so yes, I assume they did.

>>48971356
if they were the movie orcs there isnt much anybody could do

>causing a castle to blow up just by charging into it

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>48971232
Use frost magic for assistance

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>>48971421
Where is your Lich King now?!

>>48971421
>you attempt to use the frozen winds of the north to freeze the defenders solid, before overrunning them with a tide of the undead.
>A faint coldness tingles at your fingertips and you expect the icy winds of the north to do something
>what you see is infuriating. A guard is pissing on your hand from the battlements

>>48971531
forgot to add
what do you do now?

>>48971383
>>48971407
Didn't that bitch write the novelization for the movie as well?

also, Blizzard writers make GW look so good.

>>48971407
ok, when does this happen?
and why do orcs use suicide bombers?

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>>48970088
I'm amalgamating a map of Draenor for my campaign purposes, though I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what system to run it in. My group and I have been running L5R for two years now, but they've done some OSR stuff with Beyond the Wall. I'm thinking of bashing together BtW with some stuff from Adventurer, Conqueror, King.

Might have the Rockmen from the BC art book be on a southern continent or some such.

>>48971579
that little over map montage in the middle of the movie showing the orcs rampaging across Stormwind

>>48971598
jesus, that movie sounds so fucking bad.

>>48970088
I wish people who want to discuss legion would leave too, but I wouldn't wish /vg/ on them.
They can make a /v/ thread though to avoid /wowg/.

>>48971614
eh I enjoyed it, I could definitely see myself wasting an afternoon a year or two from now if it showed up on some cable channel. Beer would definitely help though

its a popcorn flick, and the Dranei were hot ;_;

>>48971587
BC had rock men?

I was planning on doing some casual RP as an arrogant mage to help keep me interested.

I've never RPed before can you guys give any advice?

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>>48971697
They did in the concept art phase.
This was an Imp idea circa BC concept art phase.

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>48971531
FREEZE HIS DICK OFF

>>48971718
Use capilization and punctuation.

>>48971718
If you're going Alliance, stay far away from the Blue Recluse (the tavern in the Mage Quarter).

>>48971751
>you concentrate your power and try to freeze the offending man's offending member.
>however without the mighty runeblade channeling your rage it is impotent.
>all you manage to do is freeze some of his piss and it falls on your hand shatters.

>>48971718
Don't be afraid to walk up to others. Even though everyone says they love walk-ups, people are usually afraid to make the first move.

>>48971857
turn around and bash the guard with Frostmourne's pommel and guard

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>48971924
fug

>>48971938
Whoever is rolling needs to stop now, jesus.

>>48971955
Wasn't me

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Rolled 14 (1d20)

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>>48971938
>in your fury you toss the runeblade at the wretch, intending to smite him with your skill
>instead you toss it to Uther Lightbringer who promptly begins to beat at it with his hammer.

>>48972014
too late senpai

>>48971681
>Draenai were hot
But were they dead sexy?

Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>48972016
I ask Uther to return the sword to me with much humility and respect.

>>48972029
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeee

>>48972060
>you begin to ask uther for help when a miracle occurs
>uther hits the tip of the blade with his hammer and it backflips towards the air and lands in your hand
>you scramble and stand up, hoping your butthole isn't bleeding.

what do?

Rolled 13 (1d20)

>>48972111
Resurrect Varian Wynn as a ghoul. Now who's laughing Stormwind?

>>48972185
Varian's dust at the Broken Shore, though

Rolled 19 (1d20)

>>48972111
I reach back to my rear and grab a handful of ass blood. I wipe it on my blade, raise it in the air, and roar at Uther for an intimidate check.

>>48971407
In fairness, that's exactly how you do knock down castles in the RTS games.

I know this really isn't the right place, but I have a question for anybody still playing WoW.

I've been tinkering with getting back in (quit shortly after cata dropped), which class/talent combos are popular right now?

>>48972204
A wild idea enters your mind and you begin to daub the blood from your asshole on to frostmourne. It is a grotesque action and when you are done, you point it to uther and utter a challenge in the language of the dead.
>the lightbringer blanches at your request, his power seemingly banished by such a dastardly action.
what do?

>>48972282
they are all the same now. you can play as anything you want princess :3

Rolled 18 (1d20)

>>48972284
Destroy the piss happy fuck that dared to urinate on the Holder of Frostmourne

>>48972367
You're terrible at d&d. There were so many creative things you could've done there, but instead you smite a nameless npc. So boring. Tsk tsk.

Rolled 20 (1d20)

>>48972284
>>48972367
>>48972450
I tear out the piss-happy guard's intestines through his anus, then reanimate them.

>>48972489
>emboldened by your rectal blood, you point your blade at the urinating guard. The man gasps in shock as he is lifted in the air and begins to scream.
>Disease begins to wrack his insides, with his screams of pain turning into a mewling whimper before his stomach is hurled through his anus. >As the scum lays dying you reainimate his innards and make them do the dance macabre.

Rolled 15 (1d20)

>>48972643
After thoroughly horrifying the gathered crowd, I send the enchanted insides slithering up the rampart wall, psychically commanding them to strangle the life out of Uther.

>>48972695
The crowd gasps as buboes and plagues begin to drop from the man's corpse. the soldiers trip over each other as they rush down from the walls. Only a few soldiers around uther are standing there. Your raised innards make a dash towards uther and leap up to strangle him.
The paladin bats it aside but it explodes in a shower of diseased gore. The soldiers around him start to cough as disease takes it's toll on them. they will be violently dead soon.

>"Everyone is Arthas."

this thread seems nice

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>>48970169
>the only good general is G O B L I N S general

>>48973393
>green power green power

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>>48973393
yeah,
we da waaagh sounds so adorable.
>>48973781
speaking of which, would any warcraft character stand against pic related in a physical fight?

>>48973393
well no shit, were literally the only ones keeping the horde running without going full retard, well also the fucking elves, but still.

>>48973939
We determined some threads ago that while Grimgor could krump Saurfang, Saurfang would also Cleave Grimgor.

It's like when [The Unstoppable Force] and [The Immovable Object] collide.

>>48974033
>implying Saurfang loses a battle when Doomhammer isn't there to fuck it up

>>48974033
would Saurfang have to subatomically cleave all of his spores apart to kill him for real?
not that he couldn't, just qualifying the question

>>48972282
>>48972282
Based a bit on what I've played and mostly what I I've heard, Brewmaster Monk, Blood DK, ele/enhance Shaman, shadow priest, outlaw rogue and fury warrior are pretty fun.
I don't have much of an opinion on healers though.

>>48975202
>>48972282
Outlaw Rogue, now that it's basically ARR BE A PIRATE! is actually a hell of a lot of fun.
I never liked Rogues before, the sneaking an stealth wasn't for me, but Outlaw has a lot of fun abilities with a nice theme.
Now if only Blizzard would implement longcoat-type armors, it would be perfect.

>>48970145
honestly, it's still possible to actually discuss the game on /wowg/. It's not nearly as bad as /gsg/, that shit is autism incarnate

>>48975202
Shadow priest makes me sad, while I'm trying to level up a lock, all I think is "Why does the shadow priest get all the fun?"

>>48975511
I don't know, I've tried, and it just doesn't get anywhere on /wowg/. Now its just guild trolling and sqabbling.

>>48975666
afflic lock is way more fun than Spriest while leveling. DoT the dicks off of 8 million mobs and take no damage because Demon Skin and Drain Life are OP

>>48975701
And that one Hunter who posts the same transmog pic every thread. The fur faggots posting non-stop. Slutmogs everywhere. Tripfags being trigfags. Futashit.

I stopped even trying to discus the game on /vg/ even before /tg/ started having these threads.
I like that /tg/ can discus the actual lore more than whining about some faggot posting pandas again.

What system would you recommend I use? Isn't there an official RPG? Is it any good?

If not, what do you think? How hard would it be to mod 5e to work?

>>48975703
Is it worth changing from Destruction to Affliction? Or demonology even? Never really played serious on my warlock so I'm not too attached to my spec.

>>48975703
My problem is when you get to stage 2+ on the invasions and you need to go into your actual rotation, and its just so dull. It also doesn't help that Blizz has made leveling in WoW just terrible now.

I may end up switching to a SPriest anyway, do love me some Old God lore.

>>48975748
There's a Warcraft RPG based on D&D 3/3.5 (can't recall which) and a similar WoW RPG, but i think that one had a few more differences.

Just finished watching the Warcraft movie.

Honestly, as long as you don't go full autist on lore and just enjoy it as something related to Warcraf, without the need to be perfectly accurate, it's quite the entertaining movie. Would appreciate a director's cur though.

>>48975805
destruction is garbage (wtf was Blizzard thinking with that mastery, jesus) and demonology is imo really boring but a lot of people enjoy the summoning aspect of it. Afflic is my favourite because I enjoy spamming DoTs, but Demo is legit too

>>48975812
your real rotation is definitely less fun before you get Soul Effigy, but that's literally only a problem with invasions because the bosses have so much health

>>48975839
Oh yeah. That mastery. Not great.
I think I may switch to Demo then. The artifact interests me a little more.

>>48975839
I like the concept behind Demon, since that's my preferred spec since Vanilla, but it's execution is complete shit.
Destruction is still "fire mage, but now even more useless!" and the Soul Shard costs for the spec are retarded.
Aff is where it's at now, but you still have complete shit for quick DPS(hooray for rampup!) or AOE. Fucking Seed of Corruption is all but useless. You can get a talented ability to do some more AOE, but it's got a long cooldown.

>>48976050
>Fucking Seed of Corruption is all but useless
I hate how they changed it from triggering on death to triggering if the effect times out. Makes AoEing packs of weak mobs a huge pain in the ass

>>48976063
I hated it since they made it that it only triggers of YOUR damage and not the rest of your party's.

>>48976063

It was probably a bit OP back in TBC/Wrath when it exploded when target died or took X damage from everyone. But in its current form, it seems like it's not even worth the mana most of the time.

>>48976122
TBC, yeah. Wrath, not so much, but still pretty powerful.

>>48976158
But to continue, it's DEFINITELY not worth the mana or the time to cast. It's just fucking useless.

>>48975825
Agreed. A directors cut would likely take care of the pacing, which is really the only gripe if you aren't taking it super seriously.

Dudes underdeveloped kid was kinda dumb too, but maybe there was some bonding that got cut.

6.5-7/10 : entertaining but not a masterpiece by any stretch.

>>48975825
Duncan Jones has expressed interest in making a director's cut, but the first run DVD/BDs will not be so. They'll have a lot of the cut content, but it will be separated from the movie, rather than integrated in. Which is really just fucking stupid.

>>48976363
Just watch the deleted scenes separate like any other movie. It's really nothing to gt worked up about.

>>48975748

Someone made a pretty in-depth 5e conversion.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oaqqtXQG-fT-C5_yajhLbUabdpN5XPn7hmV-MXAGz78/edit

>>48976419
Fuck that. Not wasting money on it until proper director's cut.

>>48976318
I'm not going to say it's awful, but i'll say it's a wasted opportunity. Look at the Warcraft 2 manual, the way it explains how the first attack against the humans went we could've had a fucking Warcraft Game of Thrones.

>>48976063
I never liked that spell. The DoT spec gets spammy explosions for AoE.

I rather liked the AoE Drain Life talent (Harvest Life i think?) for flavour, though the VFX weren't that great and did clutter the screen a lot.

I think i'd make seed perhaps not do damage by itself, but instead radiate damage you dealt to the target, so you'd just go on with your normal rotation on it and it'd do the AoE based on that. Perhaps reduce the damage you deal to the target while it's in there if needed for balance, and adjust it so multidotting is better for 2-3 targets.

>>48975825
Going full autist on Warcraft lore is never a good idea.

>>48976050
I like the concept of the current Demon, but the execution needs work. Still more fun than Afflic for me.

>>48976063
God, its so useless. Most lock specs suck at non-multiDoTing AOE. Only reason I've been running Afflic, since they're the best for multiDoTing.

>>48976490
>could've had a fucking Warcraft Game of Thrones.
Impossible to do as a movie. Unfeasible to do as a TV series.
Adaptations have to adapt.

Okay, so I played all three RTS games back in the day, and I've played a bit of WoW, but I don't know the lore all that well.

1. How can I learn the lore better?
2. How do you recommend I set up a campaign that doesn't totally fuck the setting up?

>>48976873
>1. How can I learn the lore better?
The manuals for warcraft 1, 2 and 3 have good info.

The wikis aren't that bad. The gamepedia one is better than wowwiki iirc.
Play the games today.
If you're lazy cheat in the beginning of each mission, won't give you a possible sense of adversity though, but the voices, the look and the mission briefings can possibly give you a better understanding.

Just listening through mission briefings for wc1 and wc2, and then playing through the wc3 campaigns could be an idea.
There aren't a lot of lore bits during missions in wc1 and wc2, unlike wc3.

>2. How do you recommend I set up a campaign that doesn't totally fuck the setting up?
It's already fucked up.
Do what you want.

I think the first step is to find out when you want the campaign to take place.
While Legion is taking place?
Before Warcraft 3?

gas the forsaken race war now

>>48977010
We're been over this: That wouldn't work. You need to use holy fire.

>>48977075
i said gas the forsaken race war now. not holy fire the forsaken race war now.

Rolled 10 (1d20)

>>48972833
I mock the paladin's inability to protect those around him

>>48970009
>Not Ophera Windfury.

ONE JOB OP
ONE.JOB.
>>48971587
Cool, and with the Roman theme and the WoD Roman Ogres made by or uplifted by the Titans they could be relatives.

So how about that second part of the Dalaran quest? Wasn't that a whole lot of nothing?

Now those those jerks are just going to be casting teleport for a week while demons wreck their city.

>>48970057
>no Sylvanas as kinky side bitch

Sweet, but not hot enough

>>48978493
Yes, the Dalaran quest chain is horribly paced.

I think it's supposed to be Legion equivalent of going through the Dark Portal in WoD, so you do a short quest chain then you're in the Broken Isles and can go do the actual quest zones.

But they decided to add it one quest a week in the pre-patch, when it would take you twenty fucking minutes if they were all in the game at once. So, bad call there.

Making DK and DH, should I make them zombie/demon-like with the special class skins or some generic pretty people?

>>48978789
I prefer the class skins

>>48976490
Seed of Corruption made sense for what it was, you plant a seed and nurture it with pain, unitl it blooms and damages others. In a spec that was supposed to be ticking constant damage, it fits right in. But it could've done something instead of just big burst damage. Radiating the damage it takes makes a LOT more sense, but it'd have to be renamed.

>>48978781
The WoD one was so much better, too.

>>48978789
I really like the zombie look on the DK, since they're supposed to have been dead for a while now.

>>48979086
>>48979139
Gona male DK and female DH, both with class skins. They're surprisingly not very ugly once creation is complete. If anything it adds flavor and immersion to the class.

What do Murlocs eat, anyway?

>>48979833
Fish. Clams. Crabs. Children who wander too close.

>>48979833
Fish, anything they can scavenge and lowbie adventurers mostly.

>>48979855
>>48979860
Lowbie adventurers, too, naturally. Sometimes I remember the murlocs from when I first started out as a mage and I cry. Then I fly back to Elwynn forest and Arcane Explosion a few dozen of the fucking fish as petty revenge.

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>Anduin can use Mind Control and Mind Blast, as seen in MoP
>Hearthstone flavor text says he can use Shadowform, but that's probably not canon

But isn't he more like a Disc Priest than a Shadow Priest? Where'd he learn Mind Blast anyway? You'd think someone would have called him on it by now, especially if Shadow is Old God stuff.

>>48980285
A lot of the lore characters are hybrid classes. Bolvar had a mix of warrior and paladin abilities, for example.

>>48978493
I like how the first part drops so much lore shit on you like its nothing.

>>48980474
Now he's the Lich King too. I wonder if it's uncomfortable sitting so long on a block of ice.

xth for the completely squandered Teron'gor this expansion.

>>48980841
Thats what makes this week's so much worse.
Broken shore has the fun of zerging over demons.
Karazhan and Ulduar has lore.

This week we popped bubbles.

>>48980995
Completely.

>>48981043
I just hate how such big things are just dropped on the player. Really sucks for those of us that don't read the novels. But at least its a bit better than the WoD one, with Garrosh's escape.

>>48981095
Are you agreeing with the Teron'gor thing, or being an ass? I can't tell.

>>48981133
Agreeing. I was so excited to see him in the opening scenario, and then he does nothing in the end.

>>48981215
Since his classification was a demon in HFC, think he'll make an appearance sometime?

>>48981255
Hopefully not as a generic blob.

"Don't worry guys, he's not Gorefiend yet, he'll be back!"
"Awesome, so he'll be the cunning death knight we know and love?"
"Ehhhh, we were thinking he'd turn into a big monster and yell a lot like a generic raid boss, close enough?"

>>48981348
Yeah. When Gul'dan tossed Gorehowl to Grom, I was like "Oh shit, they got Garrosh's body! Teron'gor is gonna posses that shit!" and then bam.

He turns into a typical burger.

>>48981376
I still hope some day a writer will remember they have a disembodied MU Gorefiend to use.

They could do a lot with him at this point, and could make him go either way in terms of alignment. He was Shadow Council, sure, but he seemed genuinely loyal to Doomhammer and the Horde after he came back while Gul'dan ditched them, and also jumpstarted Ner'zhul's portal plan to get the remaining orcs off Draenor.

It would be kind of nice to have a warlock character who isn't totally evil/Legion aligned.

>>48981457
Maybe they'll tie him in with the Illidari somehow, since was literally chilling in their crib?

>>48981485
I was wondering if the Illidan novel would explain that at all, but apparently it really didn't. It was just like:

"Hey Illidan, so this dead guy just moved in downstairs."
"Oh yeah, that's Gorefiend. I dunno why he's here, but just let him crash there since I don't really want to fuck with him."
"O-okay."

How many of you uses default blizz UI?

I keep wanting a fancy yet neat UI like some of the WoW Youtubers, but I always fuck up with the configurations and end up going back to something similar to default.

Been Play this game since Wotlk and I still suck at this, any of you got a list of recommended addons?

On the premise of first gen death knights, do you think it would be possible to make a DK ingame and somehow say that an AU warlock fused or imprinted himself on a dead body, and when he died, it kicked off a dead mans switch that transported his soul to said dead body?

>>48981618
I RP a character like that, but I made him a Forsaken warlock. Warlock is closer to a first gen DK's powers, and avoids the confusion of "Yes I'm a death knight, no not that kind of death knight though".

>>48981642
Hmm... Interesting. How do you think my orc warlock should be rped? He's sure to be hated on the account of being the same race as guldan and an orc. Really makes you think.

>>48981677
Are you RPing him as an old Horde orc like the death knight option would be? Probably would be if people knew, yeah. Would likely have had to temporarily leave Orgrimmar to avoid Garrosh's gestapo too.

>>48981712
Oh no, this is completely unrelated. My orc warlock was simply a student trying to learn the arcane, but eventually drifted into the warlock shit. I just don't know how to play him right now.

>>48981726
Oh, I getcha. I can't really tell you how to play them then, since you can go a lot of ways. Given his people's history with fel magic, how does he see it/himself? Is he insistent that he's not like the Shadow Council? Does he think it's bad, but necessary evil? Is he a baddie?

>>48981811
He's not a baddie, I'd say its more of an attraction to the "forbiddeness" of it. But I guess it doesn't matter because there really is no insta-rp in Horde cities in MG

>>48981830
WRA Horde is better in that regard I think, or at least it was when I was actively playing, been on break for a little while. Typical Silvermoon stuff, but Orgrimmar is usually active when not in the between expansion lull.

>>48981878
I'll have to check it out then. So, after Siege, is the Horde vastly reduced, or was the True Horde just a very powerful minority to force everyone out of Orgrimmar?

>>48981830
I don't even RP, but I like to come up with little backstories/personalities in my head for my characters just for shits and giggles. I rolled a Belf Warlock with the justification that she is studying the Fel and learning to bend demons and demonic power to her will so that she can never be corrupted by it like the wayward Prince Kael'Thas. Instead of throwing her lot in with demons and making deals for power that corrupts, she yanks demons out of the nether and makes them her bitch while siphoning their power to unleash hell on her enemies. If any demon tries to corrupt her, she'll just choke slam the fucker and tell him "Not fucking likely."

It's not entirely unlikely for an Orc to do the same. They've been corrupted and bent to the will of demons before. It's their defining character arc, so a student of the arcane who started veering into the forbidden realm of the Fel in search of a way to overcome it's corrupting influence on his people and himself decides to turn the tables and make the Fel his bitch instead of the other way around.

It's the Shadow Priests that are tough to reconcile with a non-evil player character. They channel dark power from the Old Gods and the Void, which are kind of irrevocably evil, and much of the lore points to them being driven irreparably insane by channeling said power. In comparison Warlocks are pretty tame.

>>48981969
This poster brings up a very good point. So it was pretty much confirmed shadow priests are old god shit? Did they retcon that forsaken do some type of "shadow" worship?

>>48982049
I seem to recall specifically reading that Shadow Priests are channeling the power of the Old Gods. If it's not outright confirmed then it's *incredibly* heavily implied with the new overhaul. There's a Madness element to be managed/balanced, your supercharged shadow form sprouts writhing shadow tentacles and one of the selectable talents allows you to cast while moving when supercharged at the cost that you die when it wears off and can't be resurrected by any means at all for three minutes after. If that doesn't say "I'm channeling the horrible corrupting power of an eldritch abomination from before the dawn of time" then I don't know what does.

>>48982117
Who in their right mind would take the choice to not be rezzed for a whole three minutes?

>>48982208
Someone who *really* likes moving while casting. I imagine that if you're in a raid and focusing on cranking out DPS fast it would be kind of handy to not be rooted when a patch pops up under your feet. Also the madness resource keeps you in your supercharged shadow form longer, so if you keep your rotation going, you can stay in the form longer doing insane amounts of damage, so being able to not interrupt a cast due to unfortunately timed enemy attacks making you move just means you can stay in the form longer and *not* die. It'll happen eventually, but I can also see the merits in it. You'd have to be a total rotation calculation wiz to make it really viable though.

>>48982237
I like to think that Michael Jackson would have been a shadow priest.

>>48981918
They ended up saying that the True Horde was only >50% of the orc population alone. So basically yes. Horde is still reduced in number though.

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>>48970057
I prefer the better ship

>>48982279
*less than 50%

>>48982279
Didn't garrosh bring back the blackrock orcs from blackrock mountain? What other unsavorables did he bring back?

>>48982295
Old god worshipping bugmen from Pandaria, magnataurs, lava elementals, stuff like that.

>>48982284
This triggers the Metzen.

>>48982278
Shadow Priest go from white to black, not the other way around.

>>48982208
You do more damage, gain more haste, and if you're really good, you can stave off the dying effect for quite a while, since your insanity generation is tripled. Since the new Void Form ends when you run out of Insanity, it's effective. Right now, in the pre patch, you can hit about 42-45 stacks of Void Form and have near instant CDs of your spells.

>>48982313
A shame he didn't bring forest trolls back into the mix. Ally with the remaining zandalari or something to spite Vol'jin

>>48982320
Jaina/Taretha>Aggra

Is the "Jaina is a dreadlord!" a conspiracy meme or just bad writing?

>>48982335
I'm honestly surprised he didn't try for forest trolls, actually.

Still hoping the Zandalari eventually pull their heads out of their asses with the Legion invading and help us again.

>>48982357
Conspiracy meme given force by bad writing/convenient moments of later. She's been really warmongery lately against all logic, when she's one of the few there who have seen a Legion invasion firsthand with Archimonde and should know they only beat back his invasion by working together.

Also, she conveniently leaves the Alliance throneroom like a minute before the playable demon hunter shows up and reveals a bunch of demon spies in the room.

>>48982378
Would getting GREENED cure her lust for war?

>>48982331
There's some people claiming to hit 100 stacks.

>>48982049
>>48982117
The Auchenai are an order implied to largely be Shadow Priests. They all go mad in the original timeline, but before that and on Draenor they're mostly good folk that just happen to use shadow magic as a means to tend to and moderate the dead because the alternative in light magic is killing them again.

The void isn't necessarily all evil either, its main problem is that it stands in tentative opposition to the light. The new Shadow Priest artifact implies that the Naaru come from the same origin as the void, and that there're forces of the void aligned against a much bigger threat because there's always a fucking bigger threat in WoW.

>>48982392
No, but getting BLUED might. Kalec needs to take one for the team.

>>48982404
The Auchenei that went nuts turned to necromancy, not old gods. Which is a natural outgrowth from their 'bind and protect spirits' portfolio.

And those Auchenei were led by Maladaar. AKA "I'd give up my own soul to protect my people" guy. Which is basically what he did when he turned dungeon boss: Turning to outright necromancy in a desperate attempt to protect the remaining souls of his people.

>>48982424
Holy shit I completely forgot abotu Maladaar. Who else makes an appearance? I know Gurtogg does, now Maladaar. Who else am I forgetting?

>>48982404
>Shadow Priest artifact implies that the Naaru come from the same origin as the void, and that there're forces of the void aligned against a much bigger threat
gib lore pls, this sounds legit af.
Also, is that why I hear the term 'knaifu' repeated?

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>>48970057
Could have been the greatest, kindest rulers on Azeroth, with the biggest kingdoms, both Lordaeron and Kul Tiras.
Instead, we got the full grimdark version, with one dying after genociding half the world, and the other is well on her way to become and EVUL raid boss.

At least we have Arthas' sister as a companion for priests, maybe we'll further the storyline a bit

How do i tastefully RP a brewmaster orc monk? Should I make him a monk that used to be interested in the ways of healing, but after his tour on the broken shore make him turn to drinking and just not give a shit?

>>48982504
>Tasteful
>Brewmaster
Pick one, Brewmaster is the memiest spec there is.

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>>48980285

Never ever playedpriest for more than the first levels, so maybe I'm wrong, but Anduin boyo wrecks a dreadlord with a light hammer in the comic. Isn't that a paladin ability?

>Becomes the next Uther
Make it happen. Although at the end of the comic he still seems to be in robes rather than armor, so he'll probably become some super powerful priest, especially since Velen seems to be the one guiding him

>>48982424
Shadow Priests don't actually draw from "old gods", they draw from the void which the old gods are a fragment of. Maladaar, Tuulani and Nyami are all Shadow Priests mechanically and thematically, though Maladaar wears plate.

Necromancy itself is actually just a form of void magic. The reason the Burning Legion doesn't employ much undead on their own and instead uses Ner'zhul as a proxy is that Ner'zhul tapped into necromancy via harvesting the Naaru who either become or revert to a void state when their energy is drawn. The Auchenai are learned shadow priests and necromancers because they live in a Naaru tomb.

>>48982471
>Xal'atath whispers: I know the naaru consider us horrors to be resisted. We do not share this view. They are merely beloved brethren that lost the true path. They will return to their masters... in time.

He has a few other whispers that imply the Naaru aren't completely trustworthy, but this and the fact that a Naaru drained of its energy doesn't die but just becomes a Void God basically tells you what's up.

>>48982549
Are Naaru just bipolar Void Lords?

>>48982595
We don't really have the information we say for sure but the Naaru just kind of spawned one day when the Light and the Void had a vague war that was probably as stupid as it sounds.

Their life cycle basically goes like this:
>Spring into existence
>Float around
>Bleed light when they get hurt
>When they bleed enough light they start to go insane
>When they bleed all of their light they become Void Gods

Up until Legion it's implied that being a Naaru is the default state, but Xal'atath implies the Naaru are dirty liars and that they were born into the void. Considering that they become Void by being in a 0% light state even if no external void is introduced to them at all, I'm kind of inclined to believe Xal'atath.

I mean everyone says Xal'atath is a dirty liar, but mai knaifu.

>Xal'atath whispers: Do the naaru speak of the eternal conflict? That the entire history of your world is but a fraction of the time that has passed?

What orc clans are present in Orgrimmar? What clans are all but wiped out in the MU. I can't believe I actually have to say, MU, thanks Blizzard.

>>48982637
>Xal'atath whispers: The tauren here are remarkably resilient to corruption, considering their origins.

Wait what the fuck?

>>48982671

Warsong, Frostwolf, Blackrock, presumably Bleeding Hollow, Shattered Hand (I think?)

Garrosh recruited the Dragonmaw so maybe some of them stuck around.

>>48982764
I wish we had some more clan identity in Orgrimmar. Like some warpainted Bleeding Hollow hatchets hopping around or something.

Haven't read pre-W3 lore completely yet.

Did Lothar and Garona have something between them? Because hotdamn they're practically tongue deep in each other in the movie.
Also, Garona's a cutie.

>>48982807
I don't think so, at the very least in the first version(s?) Garona just happened to be the half-orc assassin who killed the king. Also she was half-human somehow but was later changed to half-draenei because she would've barely had time to be born by the time the king was killed.

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>>48982875
>Half draenei
>Half orc
>Soon to be knocked up by based Lothar

Ready to see Medan 2.0 lads?

>>48982895
She might be half-human again in the movie, who knows.

>>48982378
>against all logic
>helps the horde in WoD with reluctance
>the first thing the horde does is abandon the alliance AGAIN when shit hits the fan
The alliance would have to be fucking stupid to trust the horde at this point.

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>>48982485
I know anon.

>>48983011
And all it would've taken is one messenger to tell them they were getting assraped by demons up there.

>>48982927
She is, Medivh's the father

>>48982875
>Also she was half-human somehow but was
Timing made perfect sense if you look at the years in the warcraft 1 manual.
IIRC she could've been 15-20 at the start of the first campaign mission in wc1.


People who didn't read the manual said it didn't make sense to blizzard for the next decade.
Blizzard forgot about the manual and changed it to draenei.

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Anyone else feel there's a good chance for a time skip coming? Some kind of stasis stuck on Argus or twisting nether 'time flows differently' shenanigans in a future expansion.

>>48983131
What was the significance of the rose he gave her?

What would be the reaction if her and Lothar had a hidden child in the upcoming movies? Has another been confirmed already btw?

>>48983269
Well we know that the Legion or at least the menace it represents so maybe Sargeras himself isn't defeated until much much later, when Anduin's an old man. Since the comic has been loudly advertised by Blizzard, I don't think it's going to be retconned, so yeah, I can see that happening.

>>48983219
Then they changed the time before Llane's death at some point. Then later made her half-draenei.

Stll that would mean they'd had orcs stomping around for 20 years before the end of the first war.

>>48983427
Well we do see her in the movie before the portal opens right?

Technically it would mean she's Draenei because she can't have been made before there were any orc in Azeroth, but then Medivh kinda implies he's her daddy. So medivh went and said high to some hight test orc amazon on Outland before the invasion?

>>48983445
Medivh said he travelled far, and met a proud and noble people, and among them he found someone who accepted him.
Going to Draenor is not impossible for Medivh, so the implication in the movie is that he went to draenor, met orcs and fathered Garona.

>>48978493
>Khadgar tells me to help save Dalaran or go stop an invasion
>instead I hearth back to Orgrimmar and log out
who /devilish/ here

>>48983011
but Jaina abandoned the Alliance before Sylvanas even thought about retreating or she could have just mass teleported everyone away

>>48983577
No fucks given. It's an order of mages who can't get shit done without taking three weeks to do it. This week's quest series was insulting.

>>48983269
>Time flows differently
Ah! The good old excuse used by Dark Souls to make its lore look a bit less nonsense than it otherwise would!

>>48983219
I was taking a look and by the human part of the Warcraft I manual she could've been 22 by the beginning of the game, counting from when Medivh opens the rift.

Though from what the orc part says the warlocks took years before they could turn the rift into a portal. The beginning of the game is placed 15 years after the failed attack on Stormwind, so yeah, somewhere between 15-20 seems right giving the bare minimum of 2 years for the warlocks to open the gate.

>>48982734
This reminds me of an idea someone posted two or three threads ago, about the Yaungol/Tauren being a wood-based Titan race created by Eonar. Aren't all known Titan races (Dwarf, Gnome, Trogg, Vrykul, Human) corruptions of titanic constructs? Maybe that's what it's referring to?

>>48983728
Well we did see images of Tauren-like people in the trailer/preview for the new zones, so that wouldn't surprise me

>>48983740
>>48982734
in Legion there are moose tauren that live around Deathwing's original lair

>>48983740
Those would be the Highmountain Tauren in, well, the Highmountain zone. They're the descendants of the tauren tribes united by Huln Highmountain to fight the Burning Legion; their moose antlers/horns are a gift from Cenarius.

>>48983728
Didn't the chronicle hint Tauren originated from the Emerald Dream?

>>48983804
I got my hands on Chronicle in a Win-O-Thread a while ago, but still haven't found the time to finish it.

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>>48983641
>used by Dark Souls to make its lore look a bit less nonsense
Anon, the setting in the first game is atop giant petrified trees. Ash Lake is the ground level, and home of the dragons. This shit is fantasy as it gets

>>48983936
And also a blatant (and good implemented) rip-off of nordic mytholygy. With the dragon sitting between the roots of the world tree and the gods living on top of it.

>>48981525
Well that makes sense. If Gorefiend showed up on your doorstep and wanted to crash on your couch, would you tell him he couldn't? He's pretty useful to have around, and Illidan already has a bunch of ex Shadow Council fel orcs hanging around (like the warlock bosses in the HFC instances, whose AU versions show up in WoD serving Gul'dan), so he'll fit right in.

>>48970057
>>48970061
So, when Jaina dies, can Sylvanas resurrect her and then we get a kinky undead 3-way between these people?

>>48970009
>Warcraft
>lore

>>48984228
it has more lore than WHFB in it's current state.

>>48984224
I kinda still naively hope for an Arthas ressurection via Titan powers, so that he can be the one to stop Jaina peacefully before shit goes down. It wouls be a teary eyed scene, but whaddaya know, I'm just a bit nostalgic of the days when some people were happy and not crying the death of a loved one.

On that note, how old is Jaina now? How many years have passed since the end of W3?

>>48984433

WHFB and WC suffered the same ultimate fate in spite of their divergence; mass AU bullshit and PAULDRONS.

>>48984577

Isn't it a year per expansion?

>>48984587

Looks like you're right. I'm impressed.
I thought it'd be more honestly.

So a lovely love story is still possible, she's still young

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>>48984644
Woops, forgot pic.

>>48984655
Wait, there's a 5 year time skip between WoD and Legion? Source?

>>48984644
>arthas gets hot cougar jaina back
Want

>>48982671
You don't, though. There's only one known Orgrimmar. Besides, everyone's going to know what you mean.

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>>48984678
Yeah looking at the picture, I thought the same. It's just a random pic I found on google when typing wow timeline, but I'm sure you can find better.

>>48984681
>Cougar
She's was 3 years old at the start of the first war, she's still in her ripe age. That and magic helps preserving the goods it seems. She'll know how to handle Arthas' runic blade all right.

>>48984753
Do you think a dicking would make her more or less crazy?

>>48983219
>>48983427
I wish they hadn't changed it; I preferred the idea of her being Medivh's daughter, and not his lover.

>>48982442
One of the fun things in WoD was seeing the AU versions of various characters, including a lot of minor ones. The ones I can recall (aside from the obvious ones like the orc warlords and Team Gul'dan) are:

>Akama (obviously a regular draenei instead of broken) shows up in Shadowmoon, and picks up sickles identical to the ones he has in TBC from Alliance workers he helps save.
>Ambassador Hellmaw (demon boss in Shadow Labyrinth) appears in the ruins of Shattarath. You have to kill him as part of the bodyguard rep quest for Defender Illona.
>Drek'thar (Thrall's mentor, although probably better known to WoW players from his appearance in the Alterac Valley battleground) appears in multiple Horde quests.
>Chief Overseer Mudlump (fel orc NPC from the nether drake rep grind, who gives out daily quest to throw boots at lazy peons) shows up as a rarespawn in Tanaan, still sporting his purple pimp hat, and can drop a trinket that lets you throw boots at people.
>Greatmother Greyah (Trall's grandmother) is one of the three followers you can pick after complete the Frostfire Ridge storyline.
>Lantressor of the Blade, the half-draenei blademaster, features in a questline in both MU and AU Nagrand.
>Maladaar, as mentioned, appears in Alliance quests in Talador.
>Mankrik, of "where is mankirk's wife?" fame, appears in Nagrand as a little kid. You find and rescue his missing girlfriend (whose location is thanfully marked on the map this time).
>Talon King Ikiss (last boss of Sethek Halls) shows up as part of the arakkoa questline in Spires of Arak.
>Talon Priest Ishaal (the arakkoa follower you get from completing the Spires of Arak storyline) actually originally appeared in TBC, as one of the ghostly talon priests in Skettis.
>Sorcretar is probably more familiar to people from WoD, what's with him appearing in the garrison campaign as as a boss in the HFC raid, but he was originally the boss of a questline in Netherstorm.

>>48984780
probably less.
Kalec is pretty fucking shit desu.

>>48984780
From her now dead, tragically went psycho, ex bf that everything destined to make the both of them the happiest couple on earth?

Hell, if he'd came back, she'd probably be the one leading the parlays with the Horde to destroy the Legion.
Power of love Anon.

I just want a happy a Happy Ending for Azeroth's most beautiful ex-couple. Instead, at this rate, we'll have killed the both of them because they went crazy.

>>48984678
There isn't a timeskip.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=124075/illidari-warglaives-update-icon

>>48984856
Is it confirm that there's something between the two? Even an inuendo? Or is it just anons imagining stuff because they're of opposite sex and both powerful mages?

>>48984884
buy blizzard entertainment's books to find out!

Its all in the Christie golden books, which you should never ever read.

>>48984841
...Cont.
>A weak echo of Murmur (the sound-based elemental lord whose summoning blew up MU Auchindoun) shows up as a rarespawn in Tanaan.
>Grandmaster Vorpil and Blackheart the Inciter (orc and ogre warlock bosses from Shadow Labyrinth) both show up during the Shadow Council questline in Tanaan. AU Blackheart has only one head, since most two-headed ogres are a result of magical experimentation done by the Shadow Council during the Second War.
>Grand warlock Nethercurse (fel orc warlock from Shattered Halls), shows up as a rarespawn in Tanaan.
>Kelidan the Breaker (fel orc warlock in Blood Furnace) shows up serving Ner'zul in the WoD intro questline.
>Nobudo (the first draenei shaman) shows up as a vindicator in Shadowmoon.
>Gurtogg Bloodboil (boss from Black Temple), as mentioned, is a boss in the HFC raid.

>>48984841
you also find the orphanage director from the mountains between Nagrand and Znagarmarsh

she's a witch who murders people for their souls

>>48984841
>>48984930
Dentarg shows up as part of the legendary ring quest too, confirming that he only has one head

>>48984930
>>Gurtogg Bloodboil (boss from Black Temple), as mentioned, is a boss in the HFC raid.
I wish they'd come up with a better Shadowmoon member of the High Council. 2 references to previous games and an OC literally who always sat wrong with me, they should have made Dia Ner'zhul's resurrected corpse or something cooler instead

>>48984923
That bad uh?

Is there any moment, in game or otherwise, where we see Jaina reminiscing over Arthas' death?

Do we know how and when did Arthas got his DK armor?

>>48984841
>Akama (obviously a regular draenei instead of broken) shows up in Shadowmoon, and picks up sickles identical to the ones he has in TBC from Alliance workers he helps save.

I squee'd like a school girl when that happened.

>>48985051
not really, after wotlk he just disappeared

>>48985143
It kind of bugged me. Those sickles look really fancy for simple farming implements (which they are supposed to be; the whole reason why he picks them and keeps them afterwards is to demonstrate the power of the Light by grabbing from random farming implements and using them to smite the fuck out of orc raiders), and since he gets them from the Alliance workers they can't be the same sickles his MU version uses. So apparently the workers just happened to be carrying a pair of really fancy-looking farming sickles that also just happen to be exact copies of the weapons MU Akama used.

>>48985094
We don't know how, but we know it was between when he wandered off into the wastes of Northrend and returned to Lordaeron.

>>48985051
I think so? I remember reading it or something, but it was so long ago I couldn't tell you from where.

Ask the people on bnet's wow story forums. They usually know little details like that.

How bad are the memers on /wowg/?

I need to transfer a horde character out of Sargeras and is wondering where I should send if to.

>>48985496
It's from when you get Jaina's Locket from Arthas' loot box. She basically cries and says that Arthas remembered and cared about her her all along.

>>48985522
They are absolutely awful, that place is almost as bad as /b/

Would anyone be up for making a /tg/ wow guild on an RP server? I've tried making a character in one but it's nearly impossible to do any actual roleplaying unless you know people beforehand

>>48985606
>They are absolutely awful, that place is almost as bad as /b/
/b/ is not especially awful.
/wowg/ is one of the worst places on this site.
If you truly want to discuss WoW instead of warcraft for tabletop I suggest /v/.

>>48985606
I'm thinking about Emerald Dream, but I've never played on an RP server. Is it just for general lorefags (which I'm one) or total autistic medieval speaking RPers? I'm worried that it'll be Moonguard lite.

>>48985601
Is it a quest that you obtain? I never got it.

>>48985700
Yeah, there are a few 'closure' quest items you can get.

>>48985700
No you get it as a rare drop from HC Arthas I think

>>48985700
You get the quest from a item that drops off of Arthas, I think on 25man heroic.

>>48985601
There's a short story somewhere iirc too.
>>48985700
>>48985715
>>48985728
Locket drops in a box that the person on the Shadowmourne quest to kill Arthas gets. The box and the items themselves aren't BoP, so they can be passed around.

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>>48970009
How does magic work in Warcraft? How does one learn it? What are the capabilities and limits to it?
Is it vancian in nature, or are spellbooks for something else. Where does the magic energy come from? Why do certain manipulations alter the fabric of reality? Why is this separate from divine or nature magic?

>>48985743
Yeah just looked it up, can't get it withoutdoing shadowmourne. Hence why I never got it.

>>48985695
its largely full of pvpers but the wow forums are a good place to go to for finding a guild

>>48985775
I mostly pve but don't really want Illidan. What other servers would you suggest?

>>48983993
Fantasy 101 is to rip off Nordic mythology

>>48985810
ED is alright if a bit cliche
WrA and Moonguard have walk in RP far more often.

>>48985761
3 main source of magic: Fel, Arcane, higher powers

Fel is demon magic, pretty much limitless potential, but also potential for you to blow up/get possessed, the usual demon stuff. You draw the powers directly from the Nether (hell/warp, etc).

Arcane is Titan magic, which is pretty much purified Fel magic, safer but less potential. It can come from an artificial purified source - Sunwell, Well of Eternity, etc. Or you can get it from the Nether as well, but that would attract demons. This was first used by the Nelf highborns which later became H/Belves, which later taught humans, then humans spread it to the rest of the world.

Then the rest is just Holy Light, Nature, Elementals, etc where you dedicate in a faith system and ask the deities/spirits to give you power.

>>48985810
I suggest Wyrmrest Accord. Horse RP is heavily Blood Elf centric, but Alliance RP is decent as long as one stays away from the Blue Recluse.

>>48985871
I don't need RP, I just want a server with enough horde to have a good economy, hangouts, guild selection, etc without going total elitist, full 24/7 like Illidan.

>>48985957
enlighten me. what happens at the Blue Recluse?

>>48985888
Thanks anon!

>>48986019
Debauchery and sin, and I don't mean the fun kind.

Also, Mary Sues. Mary Sues everywhere. I once read and RP bio there of a female Eredar Paladin who stated in her bio that she didn't want guys to approach her because she's a lesbian.

>>48985761
Magic originates from the 6 main forces in WoW's cosmology: Light (holy magic), Void (shadow/void magic), Life (nature magic and whatnot), Death (necromancy), Order (arcane), and Disorder (fel). The elemental realms, and thus elemental magics, result when two or more of the above forces/realms interract in specific ways. Just about every other type of magic is a result of or a mixture of the above forces. Casting spells with this magic depends on the type of spell needing to be cast and the type of magic. But generally, casting of most sorts is just chanelling the aforementioned powers.

>>48985957
>Horse RP is heavily Blood Elf centric
Sounds kinky.

>>48984923
Hey now, Lord of the Clans and Rise of the Horde were pretty solid.

>>48985994
emerald dream is for you then. It has a balanced pop, quite a lot of pvp and is highly populated.
>>48986068
ebic

>>48986162
it was as solid as a loose stool.

>>48986058
>>48986120
To add to this, many types of magics and spells are granted by a powerful entity, such as a god. Generally, these entities are manifestations of either the primordial forces or the elements, or they are beings that were so heavily infused with one of the primordial forces that they might as well be manifestations. For example, for the elements you have the elemental lords. Also you have: Light (na'aru), Void (old gods), Life (wild gods/loa), Death (val'kyr/spirit healers), Order (titans), Disorder (demons)

>>48986164
Ok, thanks. Do you know how likely they would allow free transfer? I made the character 3 days ago. Does it matter if I request transfer later?

>>48986249
You can just make a new one there. 3 days is pretty much nothing.

>>48985761
>How does magic work in Warcraft?Where does the magic energy come from?
>magnets.png
Magic comes from, lacking a better way to put it, D&D Elemental Plane-like realms/entities. Shadow magic comes from the Void, Arcane magic comes from the Order realm, Nature/Frost/Fire magic comes from minor realms which apparently are intersections of those greater ones (according to that Chronicle map), and so forth. Some interference from entities within/ruling such might be expected in some cases, like what happens with Paladins and the Light.

>How does one learn it?
You can study and learn it. Everyone has the potential to do so as far as I know.

>What are the capabilities and limits to it?
You can do basically anything with it if you're powerful enough, from simple stuff like short distance teleportation and animating objects to do your bidding, to altering spacetime and destroying planets.

>Is it vancian in nature, or are spellbooks for something else
Used to be vancian, to some extent. Some spells/abilities used to require reagents, but they were slowly phased out for convenience, like Ankhs for a Shaman's reincarnation, or Light Feathers for a Mage's Slow Fall. Spellbooks are more like academic books with varying degrees of latent power. They can become animated, and some seem to have some degree of sentience.

>>48986348
>Why do certain manipulations alter the fabric of reality?
Arcane Magic, most specifically, is the biggest culprit here. From what I've learned, it boils down to manipulating and extracting power from the fabric of reality itself, which might cause some problems as you can imagine. I imagine other spells do the same to some extent (Druid portals to the Emerald Dream/elsewhere, Death Gates, the Monk's Teleport-to-Peak-of-Serenity-and-back-whose-name-I-can't-really-remember-right-now etc.)

>Why is this separate from divine or nature magic?
Some schools of magic and the way they are used (Holy, Nature, Frost and Fire spells to some extent) depend on factors other than the caster:

>Paladins using Holy magic are basically asking the Light for a morsel of its power to heal/damage/mitigate damage. Not only it requires the ability to channel and use Holy magic, but faith in one's motives and the Light's approval. Or, like the Blood Elves did, just imprison a Naaru and steal his powers.

>Normal Shaman (as opposed to Dark Shaman) basically have a contract signed with elementals to grant them power in exchange for, basically, acting as a mediator between the chaotic forces of nature. Every time you see a Shaman casting Lava Burst, he's communing with the elements and asking some Fire/Lava Elemental to give him the power to throw a blob of magma at someone, because he saved his ass from being turned into obsidian by the water elemental he spilt a Bloody Mary on at the last Maelstromplooza and HURRY THE FUCK UP THE TANK DIED AND THE BOSS IS RUNNING AT ME GODDAMNIT.

>>48986479
I can definitely see a tank struggling to survive while the shaman is desperately trying to get his heal spell from the elements.

>>48986479
I always thought that the shaman's agreements were longstanding things
Like, you make the agreements with the elements, and they grant you the power to do crazy shit, you don't have to ask them for help for every lava burst or lightning bolt

>>48986348
>You can study and learn it. Everyone has the potential to do so as far as I know.

Sorta. You have to be born with the talent for arcane; I think the same is the case with fel, but I believe you can be granted it be a demonic benefactor. Druidism is also something you tend to have to be born with.

Shamanism can theoretically be done by anyone, but requires permission from the elements. Or forced subjugation all the Dark Shamans, but it's not very common because the elements HATE that.

Light based powers can be done be anyone else as well, in theory, but requires a great source of faith within the user.

Shadow I believe largely requires the acknowledgment of the Old Gods, whether the user is aware of it or not.

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>>48986623
>I always thought that the shaman's agreements were longstanding things [...]

As far as I know, they are; that's what totems are/used to be for: conduits for the elementals andspirits the shaman has made contracts/deals with. I just got too entertained by the idea of a desperate Shaman calling small favours mid-battle to avoid being turned to slurry by a dungeon boss.

>>48986705
Yes, some individuals are born with greater potential do use magic. Illidan himself was born with golden/amber eyes, a supposed sign of great aptitude for druidic magic. The Guardians of Tirisfal, starting with Alodi, possibly wouldn't have reached that absurd level of power through willpower and grit alone, this isn't a shonen anime yet.

Fel magic is wishy-washy. It depends strongly on the user's willpower and capabilities; there was some discussion in the last thread about which class is the most powerful, and Warlock was consistently at or very near it. As a Warlock, you certainly have the largest power pool to draw from, but it is extremely risky if you can't control what you've got.

Belfadin got too much power for his Blinding Light? The Undead Rogue might get his ass singed, but he'll survive (well, ou know what I mean).

The Gnome Mage lost concentration for a second? His Pyroblast will fizzle, and he'll lose some dps.

Noobie Orclock got over his head, went WE WUZ CONQUERORZ AND SHIET, and tried to summon a Pit Lord?
>Pic related

>>48986705
>everything magic requires either special birth or deep faith
>everything else requires the will to get ripped

This is why I'll never be a hero.
I can't even be an hero, I'm too scared of what comes after. But enough blogposting, back to Azeroth.

So can anyone explain what the deal is with Algalon and the rest of the Constellars? Where are they from?

>>48987011
>We were conquerorz and shiet

I laughed.
As a matter of fact, look at the warlock in the Argent Crusade raid. He was a gnome,but he still got properly wrecked by the eredar indeed.

>>48987163
They were essentially the Titans' errand boys. They'd check up on different planets every so often and let the Titans know if everything was going ok.

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>>48987278
>Fizzlebang tries to summon a Doomguard
>YOU FACE JARAXXUS
>not as planned

And apparently ANOTHER Gnome Warlock does this sort of thing in Legion.

What I'm saying is Gnomes have no business being Warlocks. Actually, why does anyone trust Warlocks at all?

Anybody else listen to the lore watch podcast? I like it overall. The one guy spergs out over the whole "muh faction conflicts" thing but other than that it's neat

>>48987278
I wish gnomes other than Mekkatorque could be more than jokes

>>48987468
There's Thermaplugg, I guess?

>>48987389
Lorewise, very few people, if anyone, does trust them. If you check them out, most Warlock trainers/npcs are isolated from everyone else.

The Warlocks in Orgrimmar were tolerated by Thrall as a necessary evil due to the Horde's size, but still had to live underground in the Cleft of Shadows. During the Siege of Orgrimmar, one of the first things he did was to give the orders to slaughter and torture every single Warlock in Orgrimmar.

Alliance-side, things aren't that much different. They have to hide in the cellar of a dive bar on the Mage Quarter, and the class trainers in Northshire hang around by the Cemetery while everyone else is together near Northshire Abbey's front door.

The same goes on in every city/settlement, as far as I know.

>>48984655
Worgen Death Knights are the worst.

>>48987640
Only becauae they're voice lines aren't changed. Worgen death knights have always been those from when Arugal was running around. Similarly goblin death knights are probably from an entirely different organization then the one gallywix leads, but join the Horde anyway.

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>>48987468
>>48987468
You say that as if Milhouse Manastorm and his wife Millicent are not actually a cosmic level threat

>>48987686
>not mentioning draenei dks

As for gnomes and goblins, why would Arthas bother raising these physically inept races when there are thousands of capable humans and elves for him to choose.

Top Lore Tier: humans, belves, forsaken
Believable Tier: orcs, nelves, dwarves
Forced Tier: trolls, cows, worgens
Retardation Tier: gnomes, goblins
JUST Tier: draenei
Whythefucknotjustdoit Tier: pandas

>>48988052
>JUST Tier

All those stronk Vindicators that keep dying against the Scourge could probably make some great DK's though.

It's not like the Light would protect them any more than it'd protect a human Paladin after he dies.

>>48988052
Worgens are just Gilneans.
I'd put them in believable tier.

Otherwise I'd say it's fairly spot on.
Maybe nelf in a new category between believable and forced. Possibly orcs there too.

>>48987601
>The Warlocks in Orgrimmar were tolerated by Thrall as a necessary evil due to the Horde's size, but still had to live underground in the Cleft of Shadows. During the Siege of Orgrimmar, one of the first things Garrosh did was to give the orders to slaughter and torture every single Warlock in Orgrimmar.

Fixed. My train of thought is getting derailed an awful lot today.

>>48988130
The draenei came to Azeroth in BC, when most of the fighting occur in Outland and Scourge activity was minimal with Naxx's defeat in vanilia and everything. Player DKs, the Ebon Blade, broke free at the start of Wrath, before the second Scourge war even started. When would draenei even die to the scourge?

>>48988162
Gilneans BEFORE Cata, thus making them just humans. Arthas stopped going south after Dalaran. I'm not familiar with the SFK explanation but it doesn't really sound like it make sense since playable DKs were supposed to be handpicked by Arthas himself.

>>48988311
Arugal was creating a cadre of Worgen in the Grizzly Hills.

>>48988311
Okay, true.

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>>48988052
>JUST Tier: draenei
Nigga you talkin' smack 'bout mah GOAT goat?

>>48987389
Oh no!

It's Senor Jaraxxus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkeC9WVVsQ4

>>48988326
Sure but Arugal wasn't related to the Scourge, even less in a position to influence Arthas' selection of DK material. Also weren't his worgens feral? In that case how did the player DK get smart all the sudden?

>>48988405
>tfw I see your post updated right when I was about to click post
Yes, I prefer GOATs that are alive. The dead ones are for food.

>>48988430
Arugal was revived by the Blood Princes so that Arthas could have his own Worgen. The Worgen DK are from Shadowfang, and have somehow gained their sanity.

Also, f

>>48988430
It's pretty straightforward
>arugal making doggos in northrend
>arthas dicks around northrend, kills some fleabags and raises them
>undeath gives puppers clarity of mind through the lich king's control

>>48988502
Goddamn thing autoposting. Fuck the Dalaran Crater Portal tome. Such a pain in the ass.

>>48988052
Well shit, I recently made a draenei DK because I love big characters and PAULDRONS, but I thoughta worgen DK would be too weird, even though I love worgen.

I RP in my head the DK as a former buddy of mt draenei paladin. It's actually him he kills in the chapel in the starting zone. The paladin, being quite a hero, gets resurrectes by the light afterwards and onwards they go.

As a matter of fact, I basically RP all my characters as all belonging to that same group of adventurers that took down the BBEG, this way I can have branching stories and interlocking moments.

Too snowflakey?

>>48987011
>Illidan himself was born with golden/amber eyes, a supposed sign of great aptitude for druidic magic.
However, his brother did not have the same eye color, end he ended up becoming the most powerful druid on Azeroth. I believe it's implied the connection with eye color and druidic power was purely a supersticion (presumably a bunch of powerful druids just happened to have amber eye, an otherwise rare trait, so the night elves started to associate it with druidism).

>>48988576
Your paladin, yes. Not even Tirion, Uther doesn't count because Frostmourne ate him, literally the second holiest mortal (below Velen), get res'd by the Light.

DK is fine though, other than being IMPOSSIBLE to have become DK in the first place.

>>48988653
I think the eyes meant greatness and not necessarily druidic magic back then.

I don't think it is superstition since powerful druids get amber eyes even if they didn't start out with them.

>Jaina never become crazy, Varian's deal with Lor'themar was successful and Silvermoon joins the Alliance.

You're Sylvanas, what do?
You're Lor'themar, what do?
You're a Nelf faggot, what do?

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>>48988716
>You're Sylvanas, what do?
Marry Lor'themar of course and abandon the horde.

>>48988662
Well it's just that after all the quests xhere you die one way or another for X Y Z reason, then gets brought back to life, getting ressurected one more time ends up being trivial.

Plus with the DH starting zone, we have canon explanation as to why we always come back. Or maybe that inly applies to DH?

>>48988052
>Not having cows stronk like bull being scary ass shock troops in the scourge.

Cmon now.

>>48988716
>You're Sylvanas, what do?
Either prepare the anus for a thorough reaming or be ready to parley some terms

>You're Lor'themar, what do?
Enjoy the benefits of being in the alliance, the biggest one being you don't have to be in the fucking horde anymore

>You're a Nelf faggot, what do?
You have purple skin and sleep with men? How does any of the above change things for homosexual night elves?
Maybe you get more blood elf boipussi?

>>48988653
Illidan had the potential, but did not use it, since he lusted after the Sin'dorei's Arcane magic and, much later, went after demons and Fel Magic.

Malfurion had no druidic potential at birth, but he dedicated himself to it his whole life and managed to become great at it.

I hate myself for knowing about this, but, to put things in a shitty analogy:
>Malfurion is Naruto
>Illidan is what would happen is Sasuke gave up on ninjaing to become a line cook

I know, I know, Naruto is shit, but I just can't abandon a story without knowing its conclusion; teenager me was a moron.

>>48988791
Plus, the DK might have recognized a friend and held back, the palading holding on just on the edge of death

>>48988825
Hey, no reason to be ashamed man, we have all had shit taste at one point or another, some still do

Hell, Naruto isn't even the worst thing you can have been into, some people actually read Bleach religiously

>>48988514
>Fuck the Dalaran Crater Portal tome. Such a pain in the ass.

Best prank ever.

>>48988805
>Not having cows stronk like bull being scary ass shock troops in the legion

Tauren demon hunter literally when?

>>48988916
Oh no, I mean buying it. I've been camping it for a bit, and some asshole waltzes up right as it restocks, buys it and tries to sell it to the room for 6k. I think I was forceful enough to him.

>>48988951
Honestly more races should be demon hunters, because canonically there are at least human and orc ones, not illidari but still

Is it possible to play an interesting and unique goblin without coming off as contrarian or a special snowflake?

I like goblins in concept, but every iteration I've seen comes off as a one-note joke. They're greedy, they like explosions, and they like building things. Almost no goblin steps outside this archetype. I have this same issue with WoW dwarves as well. The dwarven culture and history in wow is one of the coolest things I've seen in a fantasy setting, and yet every single dwarf npc only talks about beards or drinking. Dwarves however have enough variety in cultures and factions to allow for distinct characters. I honestly can't think of an interesting story for a goblin that doesn't involve them being a penny-pinching maniac, at least without making them ungobliny.

>>48988999
Since you got a dubs/trips get, I'll be kind to you.
You could play him like a politician as opposed to a money grubbing jew.
Thing about goblins, is that they are very goal orientated. Just find something he likes or cares about and make him shill for it pretty much.

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>>48988999
I dunno I kinda feel like goblin personalities are a triangle (explosions, money, crazy inventions), best you can do is go the warcraft 3 route, pick a corner and go ham

"Wreckin' crew here!"
"FOR ALL MY HOMIES!"

>>48988894
But reading the shit Kubo pulls out of his ass on every chapter is fun.

Also it ended last week.

>>48988716
>>48988816
Guess I should've set some guidelines:

>Sylvanas: Would you conquer Quel'thalas, even though you once died to protect it, to destroy a potential threat? Or would you do what >>48988783 said and maintain good relations? Is it even possible to maintain good relations?

>Lor'themar: would you allow the rest of the Alliance access to reclaim Lordaeron, ending the undead threat, even though Sylvanas was once one of your own and have been the most helpful ally in the Horde?
What would this decision result in? Respect from the Alliance for doing a great favor or get Garithos'd by another human kingdom?

>Nelf faggot: would you complain about the Magic Man keeping the Little Treehugging People down and start shit? Or would you be happy to reunite with your ancient kin and help each other?

>>48989054
That's certainly an interesting take. I like that, a dude whose actions appear ruthless and self-serving, but his intentions aim towards helping his family or compatriots. He actually cares about people other than himself, he just expresses it differently than normal people.

>>48989149
Man, goblin sappers were so rad. I don't know why, but wc2 goblins feel different to modern iterations in my head.

>>48989186
AFAIK night elves are cool with high/blood elves (furion and tyrande were delighted to work with kael in FT) the highborne would probably be happy to reconnect with their descendants

imho

>>48989374
>(furion and tyrande were delighted to work with kael in FT)
Yeah, but blizz employes don't remember that

One time an intern said he was replaying the warcraft 2 campaign and Metzen just started biting him.

>>48988716
>You're Sylvanas, what do?
Graft a dick and visit the elves and goats

>You're a Nelf faggot, what do?
Visit the goats