Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

>>48940542
I AM THE SON OF THE WIND AND RAIN, THUNDER BECKONS AND I HEED THE CALL

>>48940518
It also disguised itself as Sif in the lore to corrupt Loken.

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUBrjGrzBm0

gas the forsaken race war now

>>48940584
AND IF I DIE UPON THIS DAY IN BATTLE I WILL FALL

>>48940619
HEAR ME BROTHERS, GATHER UP THE WOLVES, TO BATTLE WE WILL RIDE!

So what've the Mogu done since Lei Shen died again? What about the Mantid after SoO?

>>48940512
depends on the VA.

>>48940672

Most of the mantid are dead, since their life cycle is built around getting really numerous, swarming, being decimated and then spending a lot of time rebuilding.

With the mogu creation forge taken by us and the pandaren I don't think they can make more of themselves, so they'll probably just die out.

>>48940771
>We extincted two races in the expansion

Whoo

Mogu did nothing wrong

>>48940584
>It also disguised itself as Sif in the lore to corrupt Loken.

Yogg just used a Sif handpuppet

Is Meryl Felstorm the oldest undead? Dude's like over 3k years old

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So we know who the Old Gods are. Extremely well, in fact. Then who are the New Gods?

>>48941121
The players.

>>48941121
The Titans and Wild Gods, obviously.

>>48941121
Wild gods.

>>48940672
I between Lei Shen dying and us showing up a power vacuum collapsed most of them empire and the revolt of the slave races nailed the coffin shut.

They only "reawakened" when we disturbed Pandaria's shit.

>>48941250
No, I mean, after he died AGAIN.

When we killed him.

>>48941121
Sylvanas Windrunner, the One True Queen

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>>48941313
You can't just answer Sylvanas to every bloody question, Sylvfag.

>>48941408
literally chosen by the Loa m8. How can human queens even compete

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>>48941408
Watch me

>>48941408
And who's going to stop us?
Literally the only bad part of the Banshee Queen's rule is that Varimathras isn't here anymore to be a smug demon bitch.

>>48940932
Mary sue. His age means he was one of the original 100 humans taught magic by the elves. He is undead but not scourge or forsaken. He stays undead through his own magic.

>>48941408
Best way to deal with waifufags is to deprive them of the attention they seek.

>>48941713
Just because he's different doesn't mean he's a Mary Sue.

>>48941915
He changed his name like forsaken do but isn't one. He stays undead but doesn't become a lich. He is 3000 years old and the scarlet crusade doesn't care about him. Despite Dalaran always getting uppity about necromancy he is somehow immune. If that isn't Mary sue then I don't know what is

>>48941982
The Scarlet Crusade and Kirin Tor issues can simply be explained by him staying out of the public eye, and what little has been said on how he became undead points to it not being his doing.

>He stays undead but doesn't become a lich.
What does that have to do with him being a Mary Sue? I'd say that's the opposite.

>>48942052
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Meryl_Felstorm

It says he was mortally wounded in the troll wars and keeps himself alive by his own magic. He also mentored medan

>>48942052
>>48942159

Wow it also says he has a dreadlord spirit trapped inside of his body that he forces to do his bidding.

>>48942208
He keeps it repressed by force of will, but it keeps breaking out and murdering dudes.
Just recently it broke free enough to unpossess him and run back to the Twisting Nether.

>>48942265
Dreadlords. Who needs them anyways?

>>48942159
>but was forced by circumstance to survive as one of the undead.

He may keep himself alive with magic now, but *HOW* he became undead is not known, which is what I was saying.

>>48942298
the Kirin Tor

>>48942323
Paladin orders too now

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>>48942298
Dreadlords are amazing and I will fight you
TICHONDRIUS FOREVER!

>>48942298

But we like Jaina

>>48942310
The circumstance was his mortal wound during the troll wars. He sustains himself via his own magic. Read the previous and the following sentence.

>>48942358
But azgalor has a better voice.

Am I the only one that hopes they'll turn sylvanis's characterization around and have her like, start seeing all of the horde as her people and become less batshit crazy over time? Cause her defining feature is more or less doing whatever is necessary to ensure her and her people's survival and if she'd see the whole horde as hers instead of just the undead it'd solve a lot of her problems.
I realize that this probly ain't gonna happen and she'll just go full Garrosh and end up a raid boss but I'd like to see the undead become less isolationist and become more tight knit with the rest of the horde

>>48942491
I would like to see putress come back and finish what he started with the wrathgate eventually leading a new forsaken world complete with its own forsaken titan waifu to kick the legions and sargeras ads then finish with the void lords but that ain't happening.

>>48942491
if any established character becomes a raid boss in Legion, it'll be Jaina. Even if she isn't a dreadlord she's obviously getting ready to fuck us all over to get revenge on a guy who's been dead for two years

>>48942536
I like the forsaken and all, It just always vaguely annoyed me that it seems like neither them nor any of the other horde races ever tried to be anything more than official allies. Like the rest of the horde is a family but the forsaken are the weird neighbors that you occasionally talk to.

>>48942563
Last raid of the Legion: The hall of Waifus. They all are here, batshit crazy and bad writing will make it happen.

>>48942491
And then before she'll team up with a dickish bronze dragon, go back in time and lead Iron Theramore?
Pottery.

>>48942634
>>48942643
Siege of the Ruins of Theramore for patch 7.4

What's the most powerful class in lore? I'm pretty sure it's mages, but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. Also weakest lorewise is hunter, with rogue just behind.

>>48942700
Are we fighting ghosts, unholy resurrections or demons in meat suits?

>>48942907
I've usually ranked it as:

Warlock (above mage because warlocks have no limits)
Mage
Shaman
Druid
Priest
Paladin/Death Knight?
Pitiful mortal classes

Don't really know where to put Demon Hunter. Probably either after Warlock or after Mage.

>>48942921

All three, nigga.

In a rebuilt Theramore made of Legion architecture.

A disturbing mirror image.

>>48942907
Warlock's can suck demon cock for ridiculous power

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>>48942969
>All three, nigga.
I guess I should have thought of that, raids are pretty long. One can fit in a lot of content.

This is happening after Jaina pulls a pic related? Or Dreadlord Jaina setting up shop after "her" cover is blown?

>>48942960
The thing with "pitiful mortal classes" is that they're also magically empowered

Rogues can teleport behind a wizard, unsheathe dagger and nothin personnel them

Warriors can live through atomic bomb equivalent destruction by sheer force of shield

And so on

>>48943078
Gameplay mechanics

>>48942960
Warrior has wounded the real Sargeras. Checkmate, spellchuggers.

>>48943078
I know, I just like making that joke.

>>48943110
He had a magic axe, get fucked

>>48942960
>Warlock (above mage because warlocks have no limits
The danger with Warlocks is that they toy with forces beyond their comprehension. So they're fine when they stay in the kiddie pool of demonic power that they can control. But there's a vast ocean for them to tap into. Only, like the ocean, it's as dangerous as it is vast and if you lose you concentration, you'll be swallowed up by the forces you sought to control.

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I started playing again with Legion. And I've been recently considering writing a longform story and having someone I know do the art to tell the story of multiple characters throughout the story arcs of World of Warcraft.

It's always been an idea of mine, but I've been thinking about it more since I picked up my oldest and most played character (Somehow, he has 2x playtime of the one below him, even though he hasn't been used since TBC.)

And it's really something else to think about the trials and life of the average adventurer murder-mercenary who has been around since the dawn of the age of WoW.

>>48943158
Well if that's all what it takes, then why haven't any dress wearing lowtest manlet ever done it?

>>48943168
Oh, yeah, for sure; being a Warlock means you're a ticking timebomb that inevitably means you're going to blow. But the question didn't have to do with that, just power.

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>>48943186
>Never played Alliance pre-Cata
>I'll never know that feel

>>48943158
>tree branch
>magic axe
Ok druid, whatever you say

>>48943224
I know. I was just getting at the more power your draw, the faster your fuse burns.

>>48943094
Nah nigga.

Orc injured Sargeras. Warriors and other mortal classes are empowered beyond being normal.

>>48943232

That's one of the weirdest things for me to think about as a vanilla player who played both factions.

There are people out there who never saw the game world as I did, or did as I did. In fact, at this point it's probably a majority that started playing in a later expansion. It really is a story about the few, dying, grizzled old mercenaries surrounded by the new blood at a constant rate.

I actually wish we had the numbers. % of players that started playing during vanilla, or X expansion.

>>48943224
Do we want just max peak power or biggest output per lifetime?

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>>48943271
Also the Aldrachi warrior king killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of demons and it took Sargeras himself to fell him.

>But he had an artifact weapon!

So? Everyone in the game gets the latest axe of buttsmashing from the raids and gets some unique weapon I'd probably put all the classes on an equal playing field. It's easier to say an individual is stronger than a group is.

>>48943340
What the heck's an aldrachi

>>48943300
>biggest output per lifetime?
Orc warrior, hands down. Saurfang.

>>48943353
An extinct race in Legion, the people who made the tanking DH artifacts. Legion tried to recruit them, Aldrachi told them to get fucked, Legion eventually exterminated them at the cost of one of their most costly wars.

I think it's some fun lore.

>>48943287
I've been playing since vanilla and never played the early horde zones until cataclysm

Unless you count ganking lowbies in Durotar

>>48943287
I'm the Anon you were responding to. My story is this:
I started playing during late BC/early WotLK. My friend that got me into the game was horde, so naturally I was too. I said never played Alliance for the sake of brevity but truthfully I had two Alliance characters, I think. A level 25 dranei and a 15 dwarf, hardly enough to get attached to or remember clearly.
Unfortunately m,y account was hack when my main was only 72. And Blizzard didn't have the retrieval protocol they have nowadays.
So after a week or two of emails and no progress I cut my losses and abandoned the game.

Came back in with Cata, amde a new account and have been playing since then. Though WoD was the first time I really got into any end game content.

>>48942907
WoW classes were meant to be streamlined and balanced, but it was so long since WoW has started so those very theme park mmo design choices have infected the lore since then.

I think before that got out of hand it would be closer to d&d in some ways where magic users are more quadratic than the linear warriors.

I guess something like
>most powerful
Warlock, Demon Hunter, Paladin, Death Knight
mage
druid
shaman
warrior
hunter
rogue

>>48942298
Gadgetzan will run on pure dreadlord fuel by 35

So how about that Gnomergan. Think they'll ever get that little mess cleaned up?

I mean I understand it's bumped down in priority right now what with the demons and all.

>>48943186
That route was mandatory if you were a night elf druid. Unless you were like me and wondered what happened if I hugged the coastline all the way down. That's how I found Newman's Landing, and from there my desire to explore every nook and cranny.

I can say with pride the only places I never managed to explore was that peak in Stonetalon with the "help me" sign wiritten in textures, or Old Outland.

>>48943094
>Gameplay mechanics

sometimes, sometimes not so much. if you have abilities that are fluffed as mundane which seem to do "supernatural" things in the gameplay that's one thing. but several rogue abilities are outright magical and clearly say so.

it's nothing new, the warden in WC3 is basically a magic rogue, and the blademaster was a warrior who seems magical but is really just very good.

>>48943681
>Gnomes
>Having any actual development

Hell, I was surprised they gave Gelbin a shiny new mechasuit instead of just throwing him in a refurbished spider tank.

>>48943759
Tinker class when

>>48943780
When the inters manage to clean all the cum off the Thrall statues in Metzen's office.

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>>48943047
>last legs of the battle, Jaina's completely lost it and sees everyone as phantoms of the people she hates
>"HOW DARE YOU COME TO JUDGE ME!? YOU MADE ME WHAT I AM!"
>Alliance players tell her just how disappointed Antonidas would be in her right now
>Horde players point out how those were Garrosh's last words

Fund it.

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I have players who have played WoW since its fucking launch, but I am mulling the idea of running a tabletop based on it.

I'd like to stay canonical or at least close to the main timeline so they can't tell immediately

What plots could I have them do? Or things I could involve them in that they might not know about?

This would allow one of my favorite ideas of all time that I've never been able to execute. Lull the players into a false sense of security that they're in the cannon universe and can't fuck anything up. And then they do something that re-writes it all.

>>48944018
>Antonidas
Riiight, I forgot he was a thing. He was the one researching the lethargy of the orcs in internment camps. It's likely due to his influence that Jaina was so diplomatic with the orcs in the first place. Probably more of a father figure to her than her actual dad. In the end he got killed by her ex, ha.

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>>48944018
>Snake, that gal is a monster. You can't beat him with just your fists. Use your head! Isn't there something you can use as a weapon?

>>48943759
That new mech suit was sweet and it makes me want this>>48943780

I was hyped for new demons for demo and the most we got was two, debatably one and a reskin of an existing one.

And the artifact doesn't even give a new one. I'm gonna be pissed if I don't get my pitlord by next expac.

Or would that be too much power for us to have?

>>48945762
What the fuck will the next expansion even be about?

>>48945824
Hopefully, an old god civil war.

If we kill the legion this expac, they'll be nowhere else to go but straight down(and hopefully pit and dread lords looking for employment).

>>48945762
Pitlord is definitely pushing it. My memory may be fuzzy but has there ever been one that wasn't intended to be taken down by a 10+ man group? Outside of quest lines.

>>48945895
There is that one in the Warlock green fire quest that you have to Enslave to have a chance in the fight.

>>48945824
Hope we go back to Northrend again.

>>48945895
Then fuck, give us a weak one, then.

Make a questline out of making it stronger(but not too strong).

>>48945950
I like the idea of going on a quest to get it as one of the greater demons along the lines of the Infernal and Doomguard.
Which used to have their own great quest chains to acquire.
Yes, back the, all Warlock pets had some sort of quest chain to acquire, but aside from the epic mount, they were mostly "go to exotic place, talk to dude, get new pet."
Still better than the bullshit we have now that just dumps it into your spellbook.

>>48945981
Exactly!

Bring the spirit of class questing back. You want some awesome new shit to kill with? Get out there and fetch.

>>48946030
I loved those sorts of things.
I still have the mats needed to summon the Dreadsteed in Dire Maul. And a couple of the potions that make me friendly to the demons in Jaedenar. I wonder if those still work.

I'm really hoping these class halls things will bring that sort of feeling of accomplishment when you get something unique to your class.

>>48946085
If not at least its a step in the right direction. Greater emphasis on giving classes their own flavour is something I can definitely get behind.

>>48945824
>>48945886
Probably Old Gods, and then the Void after that, assuming they don't mix the two.

>>48946129
They're the same thing though. But I know what you mean.

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>>48940542

What's the worse thing about this guy and why is it his name?

>>48946267
I always thought "fire crotch " was an appropriate name for a red head

>>48946200
Well, the Old Gods serve the Void, so it would seem logical to have an escalation.

>>48946267
I didn't mind him. Maybe it's because I read War of the Ancients when I was 14, but I thought he was fine.

>>48946636
I thought he was fine in Day of the Dragon, a bit Mary Sue-ish in War of Ancients when he mentors Illidan. I did think it was touching that Nozdormu sent him back to the present in time for him to see his children be born.

>>48946636

Comepared to the bullshit Thrall and Illidan have pulled off, Rhonin is relatively tame, but there's just something wrong with his name; it doesn't fit at all, especially since there isn't a not!Japan equivilent for him to have come from.

>>48945886
The Anduin comic pretty much confirms the Legions going to stick around.

>>48945762
Would be nice but hopefully they don't go overboard like undead warlock succubus quest where you had to go to the Wetlands to get one of the quest items

>>48946997
In a "I'll get you next time Gadget!" sort of way? Or in a "DBZ last season's villain is our friend now" sort of way?

>>48947101
He's a grey haired old man on the Exodar telling Velen that now is the time to strike "for all the countless that had fallen".

So probably the latter.

>>48945824
Old gods.

Kel'thuzad with Northrend rehash.

Jaina and Kul Tiras.

More legion stuff with a different skin, fighting Sargeras instead of whoever the fuck else on Argus.

Some titan who is revealed to have been manipulating Sargeras all along.

Blizzard invents a whole new continent never hinted at before where the murloc empire originates from, ruled by hyper-intelligent murloc kings.

>>48941121
Ask Jack Kirby.

Wait a second, Jack Kirby also made the Celestials, and Warcraft titans are celestial knockoffs.

POTTERY

>>48947196
>a whole new continent never hinted at before
I was mulling this over the other day. Is Azeroth flat? If you sail east from Dragonmaw Port in Twilight Highlands will you reach Shadowprey Village in Desolace? Does Azuremyst ever have to worry about invasion from Silvermoon?

>>48943700
That is impressive. I was a shaman so I cheated with chain farsight and joined too late for most of the fun stuff.

>>48943186
I was playing around with a similar idea in my head the other day, and decided that I'd like to start off in Cataclysm.

Now, I'm a BC baby, it's just that I feel like Cataclysm is when WoW really "came into its own" instead of being a WC3 follow-up. I mean, I also think it's the expansion when everything went down hill, but it just seems like you'd have a lot of freedom to work with in a peace since you avoid all the loose ends and road bumps involved with writing through the less defined more dynamic plots in the previous expansions. Skips over a lot of shit that'd be boring to read through like the introduction of Draenei into the Alliance as well.

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>>48947314
It's round, someone once figured the size of Kalmindor/EK between 3000-3500km (north to south) so it's a pretty small planet, especially compared to Earth.

>>48947332
I once RPed my troll shaman as a crazy old hermit who squatted in troll huts and chain cast Far Sight to see visions.

>>48947437
All of that was just one continent, there's probably more of them on the other side of the planet.

>>48947451
Maybe but it was said Kalimdor was the only continent on the planet the titans made before the nelfs blew it up.

>>48947437
>>48947451
And to the south, I refuse to believe all the globes that say that the remnants of kalimdor fully cross the equator at the middle.

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>Fel magic corrupts, duh
>Arcane magic corrupts in a way, see the High Elves' dependency, and how mages go crazy
>Shadow magic corrupts you with the power of the Vod, see Old Gods
>Nature magic corrupts, see the Druids of the Pack/Scythe, Druids of the Fang, all the druids in WC3 what got trapped in jackoff comas or stuck as animals
>Holy magic and the Light reverse-corrupt, see the Draenei, Naaru and the Holy Dreadlord from Legion
>Undeath magic is literally the only one that doesn't corrupt you in some form or another
Daily reminder that Kel'Thuzad did nothing wrong and Dalaran was a bunch of hypocritical suck-fuckers.

>>48947571
>"death magic doesn't corrupt"
>"what do you mean, Frostmourne?"

Calling the Light "corrupting" is like calling celery "junk food."

>>48947382
I can agree with that sentinment, especially if you don't want to so many established lore figures looming over you like Illidan, Arthas, etc.

>>48947314
There are in-game globes, so it's confirmed as round.

>>48947437
The game world isn't too scale, though.

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>>48947595
>"death magic itself was responsible for all of my failings as a paladin!"
>"certainly not the emotional damage from the people I killed, the betrayal of a father-figure, continuously sacrificing my subordinates for the sake of the ends, and inevitably having a god made by demons control my very soul"

Frostmourne only further enabled the Lich King's manipulation of Arthas, having your soul stuck in a sword is only damaging to you if you have no friends or social safety-net.
If you substituted necromantic magic with literally anything else, the Scourge would have been ten times worse.

>>48947677
Right, the calculations were done based on one of the novels, lore Azeroth is like 160x the size of game Azeroth. It's still a rather small planet.

>>48947788
It's pretty fucking astounding really that Ner'Zul could run that entire plan really. I wonder if Mal'Gannis went along with it just to see if they could pull it off. I mean everything was leading up to Arthas taking up Frostmourne.

Was it ever revealed why he picked Arthas instead of Varian or literally anyone else? Or was it simply a case of Arthas' personality was such that they could break it following the plan?

>>48947826
Game Azeroth is probably like 40 square km.

>>48947885
I've heard size of Manhattan before so that's pretty accurate

>>48947879
the plan has a lot of holes when you look at it in retrospect.

>>48947879
Arthas was undisciplined and prone to rash action to start with, so it's probably a case of his personality being easily corrupted.

That and he was in a prime position for it, since all this shit went down in and around Lordaeron, so Arthas was right there.

>>48947571
It's only 'corruption' when an entity moves away from an observer's position on the chart.
Arthas, for example, is in training as a paladin of the Light - but his first priority, as heir apparent, is actually Reality. When he tries to act in the interests of Reality (aka purging Stratholme), he does a piss-poor job of convincing Uther to help him. Jaina sees the necessity, but being essentially split between Life and Order, she's unable or unwilling to go along with him.
Power comes at the cost of attachment to the source of that power. By splitting their loyalties, any practitioner of magic is that much less likely to act in the best interests of other beings, and that much less likely to appear (or be) sane to others.

>>48947879
Likely the Legion was looking to destabilize the strongest Human kingdom left. Arthas was the perfect tool to do it.

this has nothing to do with lore but I still really love ETC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOpdyytB3OY

>>48947571
I wish they hadn't made the old gods so inconsequential on the greater scale. Or tied them all to a single power source

Would a mellowed out Lei Shen-led Pandaria join the Alliance or Horde?

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Why did everyone think the night elf used for the promotional material and cover of Warcraft 3 and WoW was Tyrande? Even Blizzard themselves had artists who depicted Tyrande based on this. The cinematic for WoW showed clearly that this is a druid, and the other night elves shown in art for the period have different outfits. Also it looks nothing like Tyrande's game sprite.

>>48948645
Define 'mellowed out.'

Because even if he wasn't raid-boss-rage tier, he'd still think the mogu are a superior race that should be in charge.

So it's probably a case of 'willing to let the Alliance and Horde work for him', more than willing to join either.

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>>48948654
I dunno man, hair ain't even the right colour.

Blue.

>>48948724
I wish she had those raptor tattoos in game

>>48948724
>>48948735

Pretty sure this wasn't meant to be Tyrande either. The other box art faces were just generic orc and human, weren't they?

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>>48948750
the orc was Grom and the human was Arthas

>>48948750
The other box arts were Arthas and Thrall.

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>>48948761
And the undead box I think was suppose to be KT. They couldn't put Arthas on without a significant spoiler.

>>48948777
What the fuck is up with Kel'thuzad's ridiculous egyptian theme anyways? Him and the nerubians, the scourge otherwise is completely unlike that.

>>48948654

Tyrande never wore a battle bikini, nor did she run around barefoot in WC3

So what are my niggas in the Ebon Blade up to? They succeed in rezzing Tiriion?

>>48948889
Yno they get Darion killed and revived at the 4th horsemen

>>48948841
Ziggurats and mummies are mortuary things, and they subjugated races.
And it's not like north american minotaurs make sense, and space goat demons are north indian.

>>48948892

I never got how an undead creature could "die". I mean be torn asunder to the point where they can't function, sure. But what are the rules when it comes to undead "death"? What does it require? Arrow through the heart? Massive system trauma?

>>48948892
Really? Was it intended to be that way, or did people bitch enough to get it changed like the DK attack on Undercity?

>>48949076
I think it was intended to be this way. We only had the quest info about battling paladins to raise tirion but never the aftermath.

What changed with the DK attack on undercty?

>>48949076

Pretty sure the beta test versions of the quest never got to the finish point, you just went to attempt to raise Tirion. So maybe people just assumed. Never saw a datamined Horseman Tirion yet

>>48948654

I never got why night elves dress in slutty swimsuits and run around barefoot when that would be horribly uncomfortable and awkward in a forest.

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>>48949364
troll heritage, i guess.
Also

>>48947089
I'll take that over the human equivalent of crossing the Wetlands to reach the harbour so you could go to Ashenvale.

>>48949119
>>48949095
Ahh, I see.
>What changed with the DK attack on undercty?
I forget the exact details, but I think the initial version came off as the Ebon Blade being fully hostile in their attempts to get their guy back, then horde players complained about it so it got changed to a more subtle and sneaky approach.

>>48949364
Maybe it has to do with using their senses to their fullest. Seems fitting for them.

>>48949364
You probably get used to it after ten thousand years. Also bare feet are pretty good at climbing trees and give good grip, especially compared to leather or hemp soled shoes.

>>48948919
Destruction or sufficient dissipation of the magic that binds soul and reanimates the corpses.

>>48945950
>Pit lord
>Weak one
They're supposed to be strong

>>48945950
>>48945762
>pit lord
That's retarded

>>48940542
>Warcraft
>lore

>>48942491
I have no sympathy for Sylvanas. I hope she gets horribly murdered and her soul gets abused by whatever will be the next big bad. But since she has the most blatant plot armor in Warcraft she'll probably get a Kerrigan treatment.

>>48948919
>>48948919
Majority of undead can be killed by applying force to face so the magic keeping it "alive" can't function no mo' when the body loses cohesion. Now killing various spirits and whatnot with a regular piece of metal is just plain gameplay mechanics

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Reminder
>Garrosh did nothing wrong
>Thrall did EVERYTHING wrong

>>48950025
Garrosh looked evil and insane ever since they gave him a unique model

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>>48947571

>>48950060
man, they should really update the ability icons.

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>>48949364
>never got why night elves dress in slutty swimsuits and run around barefoot when that would be horribly uncomfortable and awkward in a forest.

Yeah, no one would ever do that in real life, and surely your soft shoe wearing feet know best.

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Does Sargeras want to fuck Azeroth?

>>48950161
Probably not, Titans are not known to be capable of reproduction.

>>48948841
Nerubian civilization had an Egyptian motif, and when the Scourge subjugated them they stole a lot of their architecture (like the ziggurats and the necropoli).
No idea why KT has that kind of look, though, or why he has those horns and fangs. He was a human mage from Dalaran, and before being killed and turned into a lich used the standard necromancer model (bearded guy in robes with a skull motif). But when he gets ressed as a lich his skeleton somehow grows fangs and he starts dressing like he's from ancient Egypt (or in-universe, like a Nerubian I quess?).

>>48950245
It's a plot point that his body is severely decayed and needs a special vessel to survive being transported to the Sunwell, so maybe they replaced missing bits with orc bones or something?

Or it's just a result of the lich transformation process, since all the other liches from around that time are orcs, so it was devised with an orc body in mind?

>>48947879
>IT WAS JUST A PRANK BOLVAR

>>48942491

I hope that the troll loa start getting up in her shit, like she starts hearing Bwonsamdi talking to her and a bunch of voodoo shenanigans happening, and they pull some dick move like "hey sylv we'll bring you back to life" but when they do they revert her elf body into a troll body, just literally troll her.

Or something ridiculous like that happens and she becomes part elf part troll part undead, just fuck things up with the ridiculous bullshit, I want it.

>>48949426
Sneaky doesnt fit le class fantasea.

>>48950175
>reproduction

You some kinda faggot, aren't ya?

>>48950101
fuck no, they did that to HotS and all the new icons look terrible

>>48950366
No.
If the species does not reproduce sexually then there would be no desire to fuck.

>>48950175

They apparently distinguish between male and female. Maybe they don't reproduce, but they were all once world-souls, right? And all, like, the plants and animals and all that shit are tied up in that whole spirit junk.

The planet as in the rocks it's made up of doesn't reproduce, but their spirit is made up of the collective life-energy, or whatever you want to call it, of everything living on them as well as the rocks and the weather and so on. And all those living things reproduce. So maybe they inherit the left-over feelings from those. It's not like a living planet would logically have any of the other emotions you'd associate with organic lifeforms, but the Titans seem to feel compassion, anger, responsibility, despair, et cetera. They clearly don't derive the way their minds work from any sort of evolutionary process, so why would they need to be able to reproduce to feel things we associate with the reproductive urge?

It's like, if you made a robot by copying how human brains work, then the robot wouldn't reproduce itself but it could still have an urge towards romance, and fucking.

>>48950475
What is this world soul thing? Did they actually add some titan lore?

>>48950060
>>48947571

With the retcon that the whole of all conflicts with the Legion and the Old Gods were about corrupting Azeroth itself, all the old corruption plotlines take on a sort of sense of resonance, I think. Like recurring reverse narrative echos of what the ultimate conflict is all about?

>>48950494
world souls are baby titans growing inside planets, Azeroth has one that communes with Magni Bronzebeard and possibly is Elune

>>48950424
No need to hide it or feel ashamed. Here at 2+2 chan we even have a board for your kind . >>>/lgbt/


>>48950527
>possibly is Elune

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with wild headcanon.

>>48950539
headcanon is only canon

>>48950527
But isn't Azeroth corrupted as fuck (Algalon and all)? Does that not matter?

>>48950598
No, Azeroth has corruption ON it, with Old Gods and their minions, but Azeroth itself is not corrupt.

Algalon was going to nuke the planet to prevent Azeroth itself from being corrupted, but after a swift asskicking, reasoned that maybe we could handle it without destroying all life.

>>48950598
Algalon realized that despite the Old Gods' corruption, Azeroth's natives were enough to keep her safe until she... hatches?

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>>48950527

I'd say it's more probable Azeroth is the Earthmother, and Elune is like... a proto-watcher that she made for herself by splitting off the moon, or something. The old tauren myths in TB say the Earthmother is the spirit of the planet and she created the sun and moon, them being her eyes that she pulled out and threw into the sky.

Since we now know Azeroth does have a spirit, that she identifies as female and is a Titan, then that makes Elune and An'She sound like her creations. Earthmother's Eyes = Azeroth's Watchers.

Watchers haven't been seen as quite that powerful before, but they've been on the raid boss level with wild gods and so on, and Azeroth is supposed to be like a super-Titan or something so hers would be stronger. Besides which, the Watchers we've met were probably not the most powerful Watchers of each Titan, since the ones on Azeroth wouldn't have been their top servants overall. Like the difference between the overseer of a country's colony and that country's own prime minister.

>>48950245
well, KT learned necromancy in a ziggurat, so he could've picket up the look from there. He just didn't use it for cover yes I know he has a giant skull on his head

>>48951399
Did you actually read that post? Nowhere did he say that watchers were titans or the equivalent.

>>48951399

Where are you getting the idea Watchers were equated with Titans, there? Of course Watchers aren't as powerful as Titans. I don't see how anything you're saying there is contrary to anything in the post you're linking.

>>48951467
>>48951482
Reading is hard, okay

>>48950539
Well, the Well of Eternity is confirmed to be Azeroth's titan's blood, and the nelfs have legends that Elune sleeps at the bottom of the Well. There are lots of little hints. But the best theories are she's Azeroth's titan, a nature god, or a light lord.

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>>48950175
That doesn't stop the Titanic Watchers.

>>48950245
>>48950267
>since all the other liches from around that time are orcs, so it was devised with an orc body in mind?

Yeah, that's probably it.

>>48951753
wait... you. I remember you

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>>48943287
Played a bit of everything since Vanilla. I missed some zones because I was never fond of them.
I feel old when coming in these threads and talking about some very old sweet memories. I guess that's what it feels to be those old men on a bench reminiscing the good memories they had together.

>>48950175
There's a difference between needing to reproduce and needing love, anon.

>>48943287
I started playing right before the Gates of Ahn Qiraq event opened. Been playing off and on ever since, currently not due to dead broke. (Sigh)

>>48952324
>Been playing off and on ever since
I wonder why you're broke

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>>48950161
If I may add, this is quite the fapfic material

Coming back to WoW. Where the hell do I buy heirlooms again?

>>48952973
Multiple spots, but the big ones are the Darkmoon Faire, and the Hall of Explorers in Ironforge. If you're in a guild that has the Heirloom pants available, that's in SW's guild shop.

>>48951963
WoW is dead

But pre-Cata Warcraft is still an excellent tabletop RPG setting

>>48943287
I played up until the end of Wrath and quit after Icecrown

Then I came back briefly for MoP because I love Chinese aesthetics, and quit when WoD looked like the worst thing ever

>>48952973
http://www.wowhead.com/guides/heirloom-list

Got the ball rolling on a WoW 5e game (with a healthy dose of house rules). It's not set in stone, but we do have a theoretical party going if we do.

>Alliance aligned.

>Female Night Elf Ranger, think WC3 Night Elf, aggressive, standoffish, and suspicious of strangers.
>Female Gnome Mage, think typical dork girl who ended up with the Kirin Tor.
>Male Human Paladin (me), a minor nobleman from Stromgarde, very tactical and academic, treats combat as a battle of wits.
>Male High Elf Warrior, a massive ponce who loves to duel, dance, and just generally be a fruit.
>Possibly also a Male Pandaren Monk, quiet guy who fights people with wacky moves and anything he can get his hands on.

Thoughts, /tg/?

>>48953954
Yeah, i wonder why people don't use the setting from the Pre-WoW RPG. The one where politics still make some sense.

>>48953954
I can't see high elves as anything other than agile or magic classes, but that's just me i guess. They substitute magic for bloody everything

>>48953954
I hope your GM takes the post-Cata WoW lore with a grain of salt, or is running the game in an earlier time

>>48942960
Surely monks are pretty strong? I mean Shaohao managed to create an entire continent off of his sheer monkishness, not even warlocks (at least no mortal ones) can do that.

>>48954055
Mostly because WoW lore adds more races to the equation.

>>48954063
The Blood Elf Racial Leader is a Warrior, and Blood Elves are just High Elves after a teensy bit of Fel Magic.

He's hardly tank mode. In 5e rules he uses a finesse weapon, and he has a few natural spells from being a High Elf.

>>48944149
I guess maybe you could start them off doing shit inspired by the old vanilla WoW stuff? E.g. their first task is to go into Ragefire Chasm to clear that out, then they're sent to Silverpine, etc.

>>48954081
It's in between TBC and WotLK

>>48943287
I think the majority of current players started in Wrath or before Wrath. Therefore they would have levelled (at least partially) in the old world.

>>48954139
>The Blood Elf Racial Leader is a Warrior
>Character class: Elven ranger, Hunter

>>48954181
I should also add that we're considering using an alternate universe of our own design. Most early lore stays the same, but this way we can go our own way from there.

>>48944149
Have them do some boring wow shit, quests in the barrens/the wetlands, a trip into ragefire chasm/ the deadmines to recover some shit, and set all of this in Vanilla Azeroth

Then drop the cataclysm on them

>>48954220
Lorthemar is a hunter? I just figured he was a warrior since he wields a sword, and that was before the melee hunter spec.

>>48954242
He's a ranger

>>48954242
He was a member of the farstriders. He switched from bow to sword when he lost his eye

>>48950842
Since Chronicle I'm convinced that the Earthmother is Azeroth, Skyfather is Aman-thul, Elune is a dead Y'shaarj turned into a Light God (much like how dead Naaru become Void Gods), and An'she is idk probably some Naaru that contacted the Tauren some time ago.

>>48953124
Just out of interest, what system do you use?

>>48954340
Either DnD 4e or FATE, depending on the tone of the game and who's playing

>>48954325
Due to some of the stuff I've read, I'm somehow under the impression that the Tauren will be revealed to be an early Titan race (in my headcanon, wood-based, since we already have Titan races based on stone, metal and earth) introduced to Azeroth by Eonar, and affected by the Curse of Flesh.

The fact that Eonar's personality and the normal Tauren behaviour match to an extent just makes it the more likely in my opinion.

>>48954505
Tauren were created by the wild gods, along with quilboar, centaur, gnolls and kobolds

>>48954505
>Tauren will be revealed to be an early Titan race
AKSHUALY...mogu twisted them to what they are today. Their ancestors are more bestial and are linked to either wild gods or Emerald Dream

>>48954558
>>48954577
Don't Wild Gods/Emerald Dream come from Eonar anyway though?

>>48954699
The Emerald Dream houses the Wild Gods, and the Emeral Dream itself was discovered by one of the Watchers.

>>48954558
Tauren and Taunka descend from the Yaungol, whose origin is also unknown. There are some rumors that they might have been created by some mysterious bovine wild god (some say Niuzao), but that, just like my hypothesis/headcanon, is mere speculation.

>Gnoll
*Speculated* to descend from an unknown, Hyena-like demigod/Wild God.

>Kobolds
*Speculated* to be Trogg offshoots, and therefore third-hand Titan creations

>Centaur
Are the sons of Theradras (Elemental) and Zaetar (Keeper of the Grove/Cenarius' Spawn/Diluted Demigod).

So we're the trolls the only race that evolved on its own on Azeroth?

>>48955274
Goblins too

>>48955305
Nah Goblins were created by Mimiron

I want playable murlocs but i think about how Everquest started going downhill when they gave the players playable froglocks like they had been asking about

>>48955357
You mean Gnomes, right?

>>48955366
He made both

>>48955365
I like murlocs, but yeah I wouldn't want them to be playable. I did like the murloc crewed destroys for the garrison naval missions though.

I really wanted to like garrisons. I really did. I just wonder how a better way to implement them would be? As guild halls?

>>48955366
He made mechagnomes, which became gnomes. But he also fucked with some Pygmies on Kezan by using Kajamite and machinery to create goblins.

>>48955433
>In ancient times, Keeper Mimiron had discovered kaja'mite and used it to experiment on various races, greatly enhancing their intellect. Some of the test subjects were members of a small, primitive race that roamed the forestlands near Ulduar. Consuming kaja'mite transformed the creatures into a highly intelligent, industrious breed known thereafter as goblins.

>>48955468
Ok so trolls and Pygmys are original/natural Azeroth races, are there other ones? Or did the Titans make Pygmys too?
Actually now that I think of it, what did trolls evolve from?

>>48955537
I always assumed they were like irl humans in that they just kinda evolved. Probably from a raptor like creature if I were to guess.

>>48955678
History is pretty much
>There came titans
>Trolls are original natives
Some other lore said that the Emerald Dream is previous Azeroth, and current Azeroth would be the Emerald Dream of the next one if it were "reset". Forgot where i read it

So I'm nowhere near 100 but I've almost got 2k shards. What can I spend some of them on? Can't buy transmog until 100

>>48955836
Stock up on Fel Bat Pups so you can sell them for shekels when they're no longer available. Not like there's anything better to spend them on.

>>48955864
Shit I thought they're soulbound, nice thanks

>>48955836
Transmog sets (since they're BoA, you can send them to characters that can learn it), Fel Bat Pups (although I suspect they won't be worth THAT much when the event is over, since everyone seems to be buying them by the bucketloads), weapon upgrade crystals if you're not hoarding chests (for that sweet, sweet ilvl boost).

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>>48948841
>What the fuck is up with Kel'thuzad's ridiculous egyptian theme anyways?

WoW pretty much killed some of the aspect of warcraft 3 liches by making them more egyptian-themed.

>>48956331
>WoW pretty much killed
I dunno, I'm not really seeing it. The biggest change is what, WoW-style xbox huge pauldrons?

>>48956361
>I'm not really seeing it
The set of horn that became a headdress ornament
The tusk going straight up being thinner at the base than at the middle
The chains floating around instead of being attached to it's arms
THOSE FUCKING ARMS
THOSE FUCKING HANDS

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Hey guys I made a thing for 5e, the race descriptions for the vanilla races are from the old Warcraft RPG books, the rest is just from wowpedia.

I'm still working on Pandaren and Broken Dranei traits also for some reason the text gets all janky for the first tauren lines when homebrewery makes a pdf, I'm still trying to figure out why that's happening.

>>48956520
none of that makes them more egyptian, even if they are more ugly

>>48956520
Egyptians had floating chains?

Sick

>>48957549
I'm pretty sure one of the additional books had Pandaren in it, you can just copy that.

>>48957704
>>48957549
Yeah just found it, Dark factions. page 15-17.

>>48957704
Yeah these are their character stats

Most classed pandaren encountered are fighters
and/or healers. Pandaren characters possess the following
racial traits.
- +2 Dexterity, +2 Constitution.
- Medium size.
- A pandaren's base land speed is 20 feet (30 feet
- Low-light vision.
- Racial Skills: A pandaren character has a +8
racial bonus on Climb checks.
- Racial Feats: A pandaren character gains feats
according to its character class.
- +2 natural armor bonus.
- Special Qualities (see above): Quadrupedal
movement, weapon familiarity (pan-spears and
shaktani swords).
when quadrupedal) and base climb speed is 15 feet.
- Automatic Language: Common.
- Favored Class: Fighter or healer.
- Level Adjustment: +1

>>48957704
I always liked how the RPGs had stuff that would show up in the game eventually. Like, I knew the layout of Northrend years before Wrath was even announced, and I knew pandaren would have shaman and an organization called the Shado-Pan.

>>48947571
Kinda curious, how does this relate to the Loa?

>>48957820
Technically it was Shodo-Pan, and the layout described in the RPG was completely different but yeah, it is cool.

>>48957855
Wasn't the other difference being that Pandaria was implied to be west of Kalimdor?

>>48957873
I think it was that Pandaria was called "The Wandering Isle", whereas in MoP they separated the two. You could be thinking of how they mentioned that anyone who travelled West of Kalimdor or East of the EK were never heard from again, which led some to speculate they'd reached Pandaria which was some kind of paradise.

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I also enjoyed the old Blood Elf lore in the RPG books

>Demon Hunters that eat Demons
>Face Tattoos
>Everyone hates them
>Want to try and show the left over High Elves the one true way

>>48957822
I've got no fuckin' clue.
They're probably wild gods?

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>Alodi uses the human model

>>48959044
He's only half elf.

Did they really need to kill off both Vol'jin and Varian just to drive home that Legion 2.0 is bigger and badder than the old one and you're gonna die?

I think they got shitter with lack of them giant part robot demons.

>>48958001
Nah, it was just to the West. Which is why the pandaren had an old colony in Stonetalon

>>48959130
>Did they really need to kill off both Vol'jin and Varian just to drive home that Legion 2.0 is bigger and badder than the old one and you're gonna die?
Considering that the second invasion didn't see any big figures getting killed the scourge doesn't count, that should drive the point fucking home.

>>48959044
Kalec is "Half-elf" too and he uses the human model. Meanwhile Arathor is a half-elf and he uses the standard blood elf model with blue eyes.

>>48959130
Voljin dying pisses me off because he never got to do shit as warchief Sylvanas always was on the frontline during big eventa, Voljin just learned some martial arts from panda ninjas.

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>>48947595

Celery is junk food, very little nutritional value, while it doesn't have many calories, all of them are empty.

It's crunchy and it won't make you fat is pretty much the sum of its virtues.

Embrace the Shadow

>>48959483
you just have to eat them with a side of buffalo wings to unlock their nutritreants

>>48958777

Loa aren't wild gods, but wild gods CAN be Loa.

Loa(in the Troll religion, lets leave actual practices out of this) are any spiritual entities with power to effect the physical world.

>Wild gods
Loa if they'll respond to Troll worshipers.
>Random powerful nature spirit that doesn't quite cross the demigod threshold
Loa.
>Grandma Agnes' lingering ghost
Loa.
>Wisps
Loa.
>Sentient elementals
Loa.
>Horrible soul devouring entity from outside of space and time
You best believe dat be a Loa mon.

>>48959675

>effect

Loa-dammit I mean affect.

>>48955274
A few others I think.

I think at least in the latest canon Azeroth was first ruled by elementals.
Then old gods game and they ruled the elementals and the faceless.
Then titans came and beat them all back, and left their stuff.
Trolls showed up.
old gods used the silithid to create the aqir and shit.

So while trolls & goblins evolved on azeroth, they didn't evolve before outside influence afaik.


Murlocs?
Tauren?

>>48959744
>Murlocs?

Probably came at the same time at the trolls, if i believe >>48959675 though process and a quest where it explain that murloc worship the strongest sea creature they see, and by strongest it mean killing the previous "god" of the murlocs.

>>48959744

Tauren, like most of the animal-people, didn't evolve, they're descended from wild gods.

Presumably the same goes for murlocs.

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>>48959675
The loa shall burn you mon

That dude with the throwaway email still planning to run a game?

I forgot to take down his email and I might be interested in it.

>>48959929
There were things proto-murloc things in Northrend that worship titan stuff.

>>48959996
>Gorlocs are "an arctic race of murloc-like creatures". Most gorlocs are members of tribes that battle the tuskarr and wolvar in the Borean Tundra and Sholazar Basin respectively. The Borean gorlocs appear to be as hostile and primitive as average murlocs. The Sholazar gorlocs, the Oracles, were given intelligence and awareness by exposure to Titan technology. They are an advanced group of gorloc tribes who have formed their own faction, and are fighting the Frenzyheart Tribe of wolvar in Sholazar.

>>48959988
I want this to be real

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>>48959996
soon

>>48959996

In their defense those crystals are VERY shiny.
Also they do magic stuff.
Honestly they're not all that different from the Draenei.
Also Oracles are objectively the correct Sholazar faction, puppymen get wrecked.

>>48961279
>puppymen
They're wolverinemen, thank you very much.

>>48961293

The Oracles call the Frenzyheart puppymen, and the Frenzyheart call the Oracles Big Tongues.

>>48947314
Theoretically yes, but there's some canon mention that no ship sailing east from the Eastern Kingdoms or west from Kalimdor has ever returned.

We do also have a map now of what the world looked like when it was all one continent, and the current map accounts for all of the landmass of pre-Sundering Azeroth.

>>48959994
Assuming this is me, potentially, yeah, though it's still very much just an idea in my head instead of something that's definitely going to happen.
[email protected]

I feel like making a story in a WoW setting is futile.

because no matter what you do, it will not be as important as whatever cocaine fueled scrambling the writers shove down your throats that you need to incorporate.

>>48963351
Then don't aim for world ending apocalypse. Take a page from the quest giver's book and end crisis that affects a zone.
Stop the Twiligth Hammer from being dicks. Or end an elemental dispute. Or be a dragon's errand boy for a while. Topple a Warlord or something.

>>48963499
Wow's story is a big mess made of smaller messes.

>>48963537
And if one wants to run a table top campaign, I feel, it should be built on those smaller messes instead of trying to make a big one.

>>48942907
Warlock/Mage overall, but like 5 other classes are built around stopping them specifically.

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>>48940542
>that image

>>48964484
anyone have that image of metzen wearing durotan's hat?

>>48963351
>it will not be as important
It doesn't have to be.
That's even a problem with WoW writers that everything has to be even more super duper important than before

>that you need to incorporate.
You don't need to

Some fucks are ddosing battlenet. God. Dammit.

>>48966544
Your welcome. Go out and do something with your life. :^)

>>48966555
I just want to shitpost on the forums while I'm at work. That's all I ask. I do plenty with my life. I make 60k out of college and go to the gym every day. Please just stop. Just stop.

>>48966594
>work back shift at a crappy job I spend 3 hours commuting to and from because they're the only place that would hire me
>get home and try to play WoW
>DDoS
end me

>>48954893
Pretty sure the yaungol descend from tauren

>>48967181
Well, if Wowpedia is anything to go by, the Yaungol are the nacestors of the Taunka and Tauren (including the Highmountain variant): http://wow.gamepedia.com/Tauren#Origins_and_early_history

>>48966594
huh, At a point the bnet forums were the only reason I had my sub.

>>48959283
kalec is a dragon
he really doesn't count.

>>48968023
Kalec gets cucked by Thrall constantly.

>>48968176
>thrall
>balding
>midlife crisis
>can't fight at all
>cucking

>>48968425
I wouldn't mind green Jesus so much if they didn't make him go bald. Now he looks like a washed up has-been.

>>48968476
But friend, he IS a washed up has-been

>>48968492
What Thrall has been doing post-Wrath makes me sad. He was already assumed to be the most powerful shaman in Azeroth and Outland, but then Aggra shows up because he doesn't know shit apparently. And starts demanding he be called Go'el because it's his true orc name, never minding he chose to keep the name Thrall because he wanted to keep it as a reminder of how he overcame his captivity and made it is own.

I'm glad Aggra has been more or less out of the picture since Cata.

>>48943287
I played vanilla but by the time I was hitting max lvl bc had come out so i never really experienced it

>>48968613
I was in the same boat, I had just started doing Strat. I did follow raiding passionately though.

I wish Metzen was still in charge of the story

>>48968658
he seems to have mellowed out
surprisingly he wanted a more terrible jim raynor in the WoL story, but got overruled.

>>48968425
But Jaina's always going for that big green D behind his back

>>48968801
How much more awful was Jim going to be? And what do you think has helped him mellow out since then? Think it was frustration with Titan that was the cause of his frustration, because he seemed really disappointed when he talked about it, and looked overjoyed when Overwatch was announced and seems to be doing well.

>>48968819
more like small green chode.

>>48968801
>mellowed out
You mean he's no longer a metalhead due to having a daughter? Same daughter who asked why chicks in Blizz titles wear swimsuits and Metzen didn't even know anymore?

>>48968658
He forgot his own lore and gave us space goats, yes he'd be better than Kosak, but he still had plenty of fuckups

>>48968840
he likes reading comics and basing cool ideas off them.
Jim raynor was going to be a drunken mess who was close to breaking because he was fighting a losing rebellion. The scene where he is a drunk mess and gets berated by the idealistic horner was the tone of his character. Then everyone else wanted him to be a white knight.

Metzen is just your average fa/tg/uy, but is somewhat more coherent than them and is charismatic due to all the coke he does.

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>>48968876
Praised be the goat giver

>>48968850
eh, if things keep being edgy they quickly lose their appeal.
the swimsuit thing was kind of a dumb thing to say though.
>>48968876
>he gave us literal semen demons
>this is a fuck up.

>>48968921
It required changing the whole Sargeras backstory, you're saying forgetting how the biggest evil in his universe came to be isn't a fuckup?

>>48968921
>>48968898
He changed sergeras from beginning to get insane by the flatout evil of the Eredar and Nathrezim to whitewashing the Eredar so people got more fappig material.

>>48969219
How is it whitewashing if most of them still went evil?

>>48969052
>>48969219
the lore ddn't change that much. archmindy and kiljaeden were still the big bads of the legion. All the retcon did was shift his fall to the dreadlords

>>48942907
Warlocks, eDgemon Hunters
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Mages, Death Knights
Druids, Monks
Shamans, Paladins
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footie, archie, living ghouls

>>48969324
>shift his fall to the dreadlords
I dunno, it seems like he was pretty self-aware about drinking the green kool-aid

How do you disable default target castbar again? Wasn't there a checkbox somewhere?

>>48957822
Loa are officially a type of Wild God, though it's basically become a blanket term for anything trolls deem worthy of worship or similar treatment.

>>48969324
And these days it's been changed further to he's combatting the void lord's plan of corrupting world spirits with old gods by just destroying everything, not that anyone drove him nuts, he's just a zealot. I don't mind the space goats as a player race, but when you start changing your lore around it sets a bad precedent. He admitted he didn't do any research on his old writing, and messed up, it's just let Kosak go full retard on things since we forgave so easily back in '06

>>48969457
I am not defending the current retcon
I am just saying that the eredar being his victims was not as jarring as it currently was.
>>48969411
at that time he was pretty depressed because no matter what he was doing demons didn't make sense.

>all these oldfags
>"they ruined muh old canon"
>all this whining

>>48944018
Right before Arthas shows up riding Invincible and carry her away to safety

FUCK BOLVAR

>>48969840
I legit want this.
no memeing

NEW THREAD

>>48970009
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>>48969323
They were evil before Sargeras in the old lore. New lore has them being Corrupted™ after contact with big S.