/awg/ - Alternative Wargames General

>>48898794
>Why is the 15mm sci-fi community obsessed with making dropships out of cheap toys despite their complete lack of utility in games?
Rule of cool

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So what are we being alternative about in our wargaming this weekend?

>>48898888
lucky quads confirmed

>>48898794
>not linking the old thread
Confirmed for GW shill.
>>48814563
>>48814563
>>48814563

>>48898794
>Why is the 15mm sci-fi community obsessed with making dropships out of cheap toys despite their complete lack of utility in games?
Terrain. Objectives. Deployment points. Scenarios, like "stop Abdul Goldberg stealing your bloody ship." Plus, drop a concrete patch and put a ship on it and your western town becomes the other kind of frontier outpost. Same with farms, bars, whatever.

Also works for X-COM.

>>48901037
Works in 28mm too, often with some of the same toys. They just become helo equivalents and small shuttles.

There's this one Star Wars TFA toy that's a perfect 28mm skimmer - two crew seats that fit 28mm seated figures and a gun up front with enough space to fit a standing gunner, or replace it with a proper gun because while the rest of the model is nice prepainted metal, the gun's flimsy plastic. It's like £10 from the Disney site - makes a great little patrol/response skimmer. Even comes with a little clear block to sit on as a flying base.

>>48902184
Sold out now, here, but http://www.disneystore.co.uk/first-order-snowspeeder-die-cast-vehicle-star-wars-the-force-awakens--411034345300.html

Neat little thing, glad I bought two.

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Weren't there a lot of new manufactors of minis linked in the old thread? Pastebins updated?

And having a list of popular games (i.e. at least two-three autists itt playing) in the OP wouldn't be too much, would it?

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I keep thinking I should buy these...

>>48902885
write a nice list and we can put it in the next op

>>48902885
List of games played... I wonder if such a thing could be done because it's really diverse.
I'm not sure I can even remember all the games I have played/am still capable of playing.

If anyone is interested, Wrath of Kings recently updated all their cards and rules, including cards for the models in the new book.

And before you ask, yes, Teknes is getting a female pigman with tig ol' bitties.

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>>48902939
They'd make a good crew/gang/squad in most things, yeah.
Is there a good pulp game that Danger 5 would fit into?


The GMG guy has just announced his own game that looks set up for 4-7 models per side (plus zombies).
Having watched the vids, it doesn't grip me exactly, and gives the impression of having a fair bit of book-keeping, and I'm not sure I like the statcards, but I like a bunch of the mechanics (like noise and ammo).
The Aggressor and Defender thing in particular is pretty cool - both players do movement, then both players do shooting, but the player that won initiative picks to move first OR shoot first.

How are the Terminator Genisys resistance soldiers?

I am looking for sort of near future human soldiers.

Has anyone gotten a chance to play the Otherworld Skirmish game they made?

so I'm contemplating getting a copy or two of Sedition Wars for the minis as it's fairly cheap, anyone know what would be a good game to use them in, since I've heard that the actual Sedition Wars game is kinda garbage

am potentially contemplating Warpath/Deadzone, but other suggestions are welcome

>>48904322
Oh may...

Any one get the new Wrath of Kings stuff?

is kings of war good or are they in denial knowing there will be never be good mass fantasy battle game

>>48905787
Probably denial.

>>48905787
There's always The IX Age

>>48905787
I've honestly heard good things about Kings of War. The worst things I've heard is that it is a bit bland and vanilla, but considering how it's supposed to use any minis and make pretty much any army and is meant to be played on mass scales that's not necessarily such a big negative.

Give it a try, I guess.

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Look at this sexy bitch.

>>48905787
Meh. I'd pass and just play Age of Sigmar.

>>48906343
not a huge fan of the head legs but the rest of em look really nice

>>48906343
God I love me some dark age, Im only a little salty forsaken feels nerved atm as they're the first to get rules tweaked (also Kukulkani did too and seem to retain their interesting things).

>>48904835
I too would like to know.

>>48904475
7TV is perfect for them.

>>48905787
I quite like it. Has all the strategy and depth of a rank n' file game without the bullshit that made WHFB battles so fucking tedious near the end of its life.

Totally solid set of rules, and I'm excited for the historical book coming out.

>>48907806
I haven't checked tbe updates out. How did Forsaken get nerfed?

I do jave to say that I like the Shadoe caste way more than Fire, but Ice is where it's at, baby.

>>48909575
>How did Forsaken get nerfed?
some nerfed some buffed, biggest example is Warwind 100pts, lost an ap, lost his gun. They've lost all their "good" lieutenant type options. Kinda saint or bust I feel. Like its 3 ap across the board (kept 4 on saints), and more point blank guns rather than a gun and a sword. They feel too vanilla now, and way less interesting than they were. Especially when compared to the just rereleased Kukulkani.

>>48910846
(cont) I think they're trying to streamline especially points costs, everythings in 25 point increments now. And I would assume that the other factions will fall into line at some point, but I definitely feel the jump from Goon to saint is too big in forsaken. But hey I guess I get to use haniels with mary now.
(also medic is now 1 wound and free vp IMHO)

>>48904835
Haven't played it, but got the rules. There are a couple of things I don't like, but I'll try to play a game to see how it is in action, but generally I don't think it'll be my fantasy skirmish of choice.

>>48911610
Think you could give a brief overview of the rules? As long as its better than Frostgrave, that's all I care about. Do the rules feel vague? Are there routing rules?

>>48905290
Warpath, Deadzone, Infinity, Afterlife, One Page sthsth, Fast&Dirty, 40k, lots of possible areas. Basically any game that needs futuristic soldiers.

>>48905787
It's good. It's not Warhamster, so don't play like it. It's more tactical, but lacks the micromanagement of games where you purchase your models independently. Definitely recommended if you want a truly "mass battles" system.

>>48905888
Nope.

>>48906106
If you want to play Warhammer, then yes. I'm not entirely sure I want to.

>>48906189
>The worst things I've heard is that it is a bit bland and vanilla
It's only as bland and vanilla as you make it to be. Couple of guys in my club write a story about basically every battle we fight, and even tho my dorfs are doing pretty much nothing, it's fun.

>>48909575
>historical book
I hope the writers know their shit, and didn't fuck up with historical accuracy. 30 lists seems a lot, but in actuality, it's not that much.

>>48911653
A brief one...you get heroes, companions (lower-level heroes) and minions/monsters. There's no race differentiation for the first two, but you can fine-tune their stats for your tastes to make that warrior a dwarf, or that paladin an elf. You get 4 good and 4 evil, with the same number of companions. For minions, lots of them. Optionswise, it's a bit limited (you can only arm minions with equipment listed in their profile, so your elf dude can get a bow or get a bow), but you can houserule the shit out of it. There are not much spells, and your wizards can't cast too many in any game.

For activation, you get half the number of your warband's activation tokens, plus both players roll, the winner gets the number of tokens equal to the difference in roll, the loser gets half of it - you can use these tokens to get extra activations, bonus for dice, etc. I don't like that you can't activate all your guys in a turn, but I digress.

Can't remember routing, but overall, I'd definitely recommend it over Frostgrave (which was a bit too magic-centric for me, and the d20 made it too random), but wouldn't be my default fantasy skirmish. No campaign tho. I'll read another one, Rack&Ruin next week, it seems promising with fucktons of spells, races, character generation, skills, perks, etc.

And for good measure, here's Otherworld:
https://mega.nz/#!PVMgmQxK!Re6pYbapzxfkwN_aC1WXmFKIcx2RP4iAaWncXiW5RMU

>>48911681
>Afterlife, One Page sthsth, Fast&Dirty
never heard of these ones, mind telling me a little bit about these ones?

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Guys, this is wholly unrelated to anything, but this is the thread
your mission, if you choose to accept it, is
to recommend me some music because I'm drunk off my ass
and I'll be damned if I'm letting 5 liters of franzia go to waste

>>48911850
Afterlife is the game of Anvil Industry, we're in the future, megacorporations left and right, Earth is ruined, Unity Council gets shit done, Republic doesn't like it, because too much rules, all-out war in the streets. The figures are great tho.

One Page rules are shortened versions of Warhammer, see their website for free rules.

Fast&Dirty is a squad-based scifi skirmish game, easy, can be played with basically any kind of figures, free from their website.

>>48911886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjKI_U9ENwU

>>48898794
I've been dodging this thread when it comes up because it says it doesn't deal with fantasy and all I play is frostgrave, but I see it listed in acceptable games. Is that just referring to warhammer fantasy?

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>>48911886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsdawgd0azk&ab_channel=smultt

To keep it slightly related to wargames

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>>48911913
>>48911945
YES
I wish you glory and honor
because this kicks ass even 3 minutes in
I need more
For the next
For I have many more job applications to fulfill
but even more wine to drink

Applications! For the application god!

What, I pray, is the best wargame? What say you!

>>48911756
So basically that roll at the beginning practically tells who's probably going to win the scenario right off the bat? That's pretty fucked.

>I'd definitely recommend it over Frostgrave
That is seriously saying something about the quality of this game to me.

Thanks for the overview, man.

>>48911925
>/hwg/ doesn't entertain fantasy

Look a little closer next time. This is /awg/, /hwg/ is historicals.

>>48911975
>So basically that roll at the beginning practically tells who's probably going to win the scenario right off the bat?
No, it's a bonus for the round only. And no probs.

Am I the only one who wants tight rules not a narrative play?

how much of the 7tv stuff is out there to get from troves?

>>48911886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzA4Bk1ak6U

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>>48904475
>Is there a good pulp game that Danger 5 would fit into?

There were a line of minis specifically produced for them by Crooked Dice, who do all the 7TV stuff

>>48912119

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/wvk6h22p0b830/7TV

>>48912277
>SAY WHAT AGAIN
Been on my recommendations before, friedno.

>>48911886
>recommend
no
>http://thebest404pageever.com/swf/DancingColin.swf

>>48912347
oh, does gumroad put any DRM or identifiers into their files? because the 7tv 2e free stuff and the free programme guides could be shoved into a folder as a seed thing for a 7tv 2e thing

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What minis/rules would be good for a sort of X-com style wargame?

Does anybody even make Greys other than the Mars Attacks stuff?

>>48911887
ah okay, most likely I'll probably be using these for Warpath/Deadzone(since that's the non Games Workshop game I'd most likely be able to find anyone to play with), figure I might as well also ask, what lines from other companies would mesh well with the two groups that come with Sedition Wars?

>>48912607
The future Mantic Corp troops will be pretty compatible I'd say. Also, check Antenocities, and maybe Hasslefree too.

>>48911756
Sounds cool, and thanks for the pdf
>>48912347
oh nice they added 7th voyage.

>>48902885
What are these guys from?

>>48912642
I figured Mantic stuff would fit in(and indeed a big part of why I'm planning on getting this is that the enemy faction in Sedition Wars will make for good standins for the Plague until Mantic starts properly stocking them again)

as for the other two companies, neat stuff, although not too sure about ordering stuff from UK companies, got any American companies that have good stuff too besides Mantic?

>>48912591

Don't know about minis, but I'd definitely recommend THW's (either) Chain Reaction 3 or 5150 for the rules.

>>48912766
Sedition wars makes me very sad.

>>48912766
>not too sure about ordering stuff from UK companies
I have no idea m8, I live in Hungary, and ordering from the UK is much cheaper for me than to order from the US.

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>>48912801
I will look into it, thanks.

>reaction

>>48912766
aren't there american online retailers with uk minis?

>>48913023

Man, I wish I could find that "Talk the talk or Walk the walk." intro story for the Chain Reaction.

It was (IMHO) the best (& funniest) description of game mechanics (in a short story) I ever read.

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>>48912591
15mm.co.uk have them in, well, 15mm.

They've also got big Day the Earth Stood Still style robots to go with em.

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Its a shame, this thread gives me so many wonderful ideas that I don't have the time, space or players for.

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>>48915101
Same here. I keep seeing stuff like what you've posted or All Quiet on the Martian Front and thinking "That'd be fantastic!"
And then realizing I have no more space for minis, and no friends who would be interested in buying/painting a completely different scale and system.

>>48906808
Everyone needs their own dumpster fire.

>>48913102

Nobleknight is the retailer for 15mm.co.uk's Ion Age at the very least. They may carry the other lines.

>>48916119
Its actually beyond me why the US has no store like battlefield berlin which sells probably every miniature in existence. And if they don't have what you want, ask and they order it for you.

There has to be some kind of online shop like this in america.

>>48915759
the crushing disappointment that is reality is having to deal with finite time, space, finances and shitty playing groups who don't share your exact interests a big part of any hobby I've found.
On several occasions I've ended up stopping pretty much all wargames stuff for several months in a row at a time due to the above.

Anyone knows of a nice place or list of places to source fallout new vegas in 15mm? Thinking of starting "This is not a test" and need some cheap minis.

>>48916409
In 15mm?

I know there are some 28mm Fallout minis by Brother Vinni

http://www.brother-vinni.com/shop.htm#!/Nuclear-sandlot/c/5965003/offset=0&sort=normal

>>48916440
My target is to spend 10bux tops for each warband, Ruskie Vinny unfortunately makes it impossible.

>>48914880
I adore Aeronef. Sometimes. The rules aren't great - need to check out Imperial Skies when it comes out - but the ships are rad, especially the ones where you can see a design aesthetic going on across a fleet.

The new merchants are pretty cool.

>>48915759
>And then realizing I have no more space for minis, and no friends who would be interested in buying/painting a completely different scale and system.
Unfortunately, the best option is to pick a scale, system and setting, then build a complete set for it. Two opposing forces, some terrain. Invite other people to play. If they get into it and want to buy in, great!

If not, persuade them (somehow) to do the same for another type of game.

You end up with a bunch of people who can put on games for a bunch of topics, some of which have other people who can support them. Better than nothing or a monoculture.

>>48916468
General post-apoc, not fallout-specific: khurasan may be a dick but he's got a good line of minis.

Rebel Minis have some stuff and are cool.

GZG have _some_ stuff that can be used - they're notable for having 15mm horse-mounted scouts in one of their SF ranges, and they have some aliens that look good as mutants (or orks).

Massive Darkness looks fun to paint but way too expensive just as a painting project. It's a shame kickstarter projects are so expensive. There's some nice models attached to board games but all the extra junk makes them too expensive to invest in.

>>48916409
Khurasan has some suitable ones, imo.

>>48912591
Copplestone makes greys and a few other smaller business make them as well. Searching for 28mm aliens, greys etc should turn them up.

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Any idea how long it will be until Mantic releases corporation troopers again? I quite liked the look of them but never got round to buying any.

>>48919352
Their old restic ones are discontinued, the newer ones will be sent for KS backers Q1, next year, and Q2 next year for retail, probably.

>>48919525
Probably for the best, I have too many projects anyway.

>>48919352
I'm really hoping they look good, I missed out on the old Mantic corporate sets and I'm hoping the new ones will be just as good.

That said I also can't wait to grab some Mars Attacks stuff too, I love how the Martians came out.

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>>48920514
They look like this

>>48908427
>>48912347
>7TV
I'm amazed I've never heard of this.
Is it any good?

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>>48921130
it's alright, the 2nd edition which is much, much improved over the first (though still really in need of some polish on the mechanics and consistency) is free so you can just check it out.

It's certainly got a lot of flavour to it, unlike many skirmish games. But you've probably also got to have appreciate for old british tv to really get into it, and be willing to modify far more than what the game lets you within the system itself.

So I recently discovered the (sadly now OOP) Stargate SG-1 miniatures, and was considering picking some up as I'm a fan of the show. Does anyone know if there's a ruleset for a game, or, failing that, a ruleset that could fit?

>>48921830
Tomorrow's War, the sci-fi version of Force on Force.

Either TW or one of the Force on Force supplements actually stats out SG-1 and some Goa'uld soldiers, but it wouldn't be hard to do from scratch either (Quality d12, TL2 SG-1 vs Quality 8 / 10, TL3 enemies).

>>48921891
>>48921830

Counterpoint to TW (because TW is ...not an easy game to get into at all): No Stars In Sight.

Basically as TW is to FoF, NSIS is to No End In Sight. And it's a massively easier to read/use system to boot.

Clash On the Fringe might be better for more character-orientated fightan though. Not too sure.

>>48916140
frpgames is pretty much the only one left, the markets been rough for quite some time. Everyone else sells what sells

is there a hentai skirmish game?

>>48922182
>>48921891
The only one of those I've heard of is Force on Force, and even then only because I looked at modern 28mm.
What are the systems like? How do they play compared to the more popular games?

anyone here try Horizon Wars yet, it sounds interesting

also if anyone has a copy to share that'd be really nice

>>48910908
What else do you think about dark age? I'm just getting into it and the faction i bought was forsaken. are you saying that only the saints are good? also I'm thinking about trying core or outcasts next. any opinions on them?

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>>48923147

SodaPop did produce a short-lived Tentacle Bento card game, which involved miniatures of a number of characters. But Soccer Moms complained and now we don't have that.

Of course, there's a Consentacle Card Game in the works currently. It's actually strangely fun and has neat mechanics from what playtesters have said, as well as being pretty sex-positive with themes of mutual satisfaction and consent. It's not currently available, but the designers are still working on several extra aspects that need refinement, and it's super indie so it'll take a while.

You can read more about it yourself if you're interested:
http://www.indiecade.com/games/selected/consentacle

>>48925790
Core are cool, Outcasts have more options with lists now. I love the Salt Flat Nomads myself.

>>48925997
Why don't we have a dark age general? It's really a really, really good game nowadays. Most of the new models are top notch, and the play is fast, fun without being exhausting. Plus all the character in the different units and factions.

>>48927763
because it wouldn't stay alive

>>48927763
We've tried, but they always die out too fast. Not enough people playing and too many trolls which plague every general that isn't well established.

>>48927763

Same reason a lot of other generals don't have sticking power: lack of playerbase, which translates into poster-base.

Infinity's clawed its way up to a constant general, as has Warmachine. Spartan Games gets a new one for a while each new product line, and then it gets lumped into Spartan Games General. Frostgrave gives Fridays the old college try, Mantic had one going for a while, and every smaller game gets a mention every month or so.

>>48928288
Quest threads fill the board with shit, anything but the top 5 games can't sustain a general, then games like 40k have a general when half the board is their bullshit.

There is a board for quest threads, but they're still posted here?

Why? Why are the mods powerless

>>48928437
>>48928479

This isn't the thread for quests.

But there's no real evidence to suggest that removing quests would generate more interest and influx of people onto /tg/ to revitalize these tiny games. I mean there's more often troll threads that kick threads off page 10, and quests usually stick around while in autosage until they make a replacement. Generals do much the same.

40k and MtG of course get a dozen threads all the time because every format and possible playstyle or specific question needs a different thread (sarcasm).

>>48928598
Less quests means a slower board, means weaker threads can survive longer

What 15mm armies should I build

>>48925790
I think the forsaken are still good, but the oldest saints in particular feel vanilla, the bells and whistles are in newer releases. They still have some good grunts and tough units.
Salt nomads are sweet. Core seem kinda expensive to collect.

>>48911886
Ghost- He is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CSFkjPm0A0

>>48928479
>There is a board for quest threads, but they're still posted here?
it's cause /qst/ is still a trial board, until it becomes permanent quests are still allowed on /tg/

>>48929912
>quests are still allowed on /tg/

we need to end this cancer

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Very important, new mini provider to add to OP's pastebin:

Splintered Minis
http://www.splinteredlightminis.com/
American site, great prices, great bundles for skirmish games, rpgs, and wargames

28mm Fantasy, 15mm/18mm many ranges, fantasy, sci-fi, post-apoc, historical, 20mm fantasy, Resin buildings (don't know the scale)

Amazing site, I'll be buying some stuff from these guys for sure!

>>48921830
I've seen Pulp Alley used for Stargate, 40K, and a number of not-1920s-pulp settings, and it works great.

Wonderful game, that. Uses cards, if that's a sticking point, but they're used well.

>>48929102
magitek renaissance empire with a couple of sigmarines as giant wargolems.

>>48930208
I more meant what company but um alright

>>48930190
https://sho3box.com/2015/01/20/inquisitorpulp-alley-backside-roasting for instance. https://sho3box.com/tag/pulp-alley/ has a bunch more write-ups. Not too heavy on the mechanics, but I think there's a free demo version of pulp alley you can peek at.

>>48930215
You can't go wrong with Splintered Light undead, then, since >>48930166 reminded me of them. Khurusan's orcs are cool in their way - not much like most fantasy orcs.

But that's just fantasy. Throw together a GZG NAC force, or use some of Brigade's space FFL.

Is there a good alternative wargames podcast?

>>48928598
40k is so popular that the general moves too fast though, that is why it gets so many threads.

You can hit autosage with a thread about a specific small part of 40k.

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Welp, that's 10 dragons for 10/15mm, or some hatchlings/small dragons for 28mm for less than 2GBP. Good bless the Chinese rubber toy industry.

Does anyone have "This is not a test" ruleset?

>>48934816
Yes, but it's watermarked sadly.

>>48934931
guess i'll have to wait for a sale on wargames vault then.

>>48934988
It's worth it, plus not THAT expensive at RRP either.

Any recommendations for medium-large amounts of cost effective civilians? This is for a display board.

Modern to near futuristic. I've looked at model train stuff, and there are some medieval things out there, but the quality isn't spectacular considering the price, and they are very staticly posed. The ideal would be a bunch of monster-movie extras that are fleeing or otherwise in shock/awe. Any recommendations would make my day.

>>48935023
What scale?

>>48935039
Oh. ~28mm

>>48935110
Finding cost-effective civilians in 28mm? Good luck with that.

>>48934128
link?

>>48935023
reaper bones, otherwise you'll be paying $4-8 per mini from alternative manufacturers

>>48935284
I'm having my short and late summer vacation, found these in a local shop. Will check eBay, I might find something similar.

>>48935023
Spectre Miniatures has some nice looking civilians

http://www.spectreminiatures.com/collections/mena-civilians

>>48935284
>>48935300
Fucking dragon ball everywhere, can't search for shit...

>>48935140
Maybe you could use forced perspective or handwave scaling and get away with 1:72s, but you're probably "best" with the wargames factory/warlord zombie survivors, slightly converted. Not super-cheap, but OK.

>>48935023
How much are you willing to pay per figure, how many do you need? Getting it to £1 each is tricky.

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Have I lost my mind if I write a ruleset for a skirmish in a G rated 40's pinup art western setting? Guns exist, but can only be used to disarm opponents at range or force movement, punches can incapacitate, and grappling can incapacitate but is mainly a stall. Lassos may exist as a ranged grapple. This seems like the place to ask.

>>48936546
No but you might want to loot at Gutshot and Dead Man's Hand.

Yes it's wild west but they're TV/movie wild west, which shares a lot of the themes.

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>>48936546
I would play the shit out of something like that. Who makes old west stuff? IIRC there's some Foundry, can't think of any others off the top of my head.

>>48936709
Ah, thanks. Yeah it seems pretty predictable that someone would have had a similar idea before me.

>>48937569
Black Scorpion

>>48937569
Maybe I'll read through the two systems suggested and put something together. I have some vague ideas about how to make it actually interesting while keeping the reading, memorizing, and bookkeeping to a minimum, but it's possible that other people did it better.

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>>48937569
Artizan

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>>48934816
I have it, without watermark but 4chan says it is too large
Wat do?

>>48939011

Put it up in a mediafire or something and post a share link.

>>48939011
zippyshare

>>48939011
Upload it to Mega.

>>48939019
>>48939053
>>48939080
Star Without Number.pdf
http://www114.zippyshare.com/v/T83D9jvx/file.html

Now if people to play with was just one clock way

>>48939019
>>48939053
>>48939080
OMG sorry, wrong book

This is Not a Test.pdf
http://www114.zippyshare.com/v/V27Jh7jE/file.html

>>48937877
Update: can't find either for free on the internet, now just improvising.

>>48939211
Many thanks man, you're the real mvp here

OP should add this to the list.

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>>48937569
Predictably Reaper does some.

Armature game designer working on a progressive sci-fantasy dungeon delver fron a few threads back. Wondering what kind of warband mooks would people like to see? I've got things like mercs, technomancers, pathfinders, etc., already. Just wondering what kind of things players like.

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>>48941751
Haywire sentry/security robots are always fun.

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To whichever anons were looking for Greys, turns out Hydra have a range that must be relatively recent because I don't remember it from the last time I visited their site.

>>48941751
Players like their mooks to have character. This means they need to be able to do something interesting in a fight, more than what they are.

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Did a massive update on the minis manufacurer/shop open document some kind Anon set up in the first thread and put in the pastebin. I added everything I could find from this and last thread:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edit#

It's a bit silly the first additions have giant linebreaks, I would've cleaned up those too if I could the setting for it...

>>48942390
I took the liberty of fixing a couple of errors in the list.

>>48920563
They look... okay. Paint job isn't doing them many favors.

>>48942728
That's the usual for Mantic figures. Some really bad colour choices in places massively harm the presentation of the figures for sale.

>>48942664
Fanks! :3

I finally found the line spacing tool and ctrl+A'd to the default 1.15.

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>>48939525
I threw together a better pastebin btw, since the holder of the OP peebee doesn't seem to have touched it during the last two-three threads:
http://pastebin.com/viWJ1Yvk

Just ctrl+C a new pastebin if one's needed for an OP and the old one is shit.

someone explain frostgrave to me

>>48944162
What is there to explain? Game is about wizards leading bands of mooks around a frozen city to loot shit. It's got a fairly basic rules system that doesn't really care about anything that isn't a wizard, and if it can be compared to anything it'd be Mordheim: ultra-lite edition now with more snow.

>>48941871
Well, yeah, but it also needs to fit the flavor. If you got a guy with a fun ability to boost troop morale, and he's called something like 'Tracker', it kills it, no matter how brilliant the ability is.

Its also easier to go "this is what I want it to be, how do I make it like that?" most of the time.

>>48898794
Groovy mini's man

>>48944297
"The squad knows that no heretic can escape the gaze of the Tracker. Once he is locked onto them he will know exactly where they are for the rest of his life or until they die. This makes the troops assigned to a tracker extra zealous in their faith, knowing they are cleansing the Earth of another commie heretic for their great empire".

Tell me again how that kills it?

Anyone here tried Wolsung? Heard good things about it and the minis look pretty sick.

Also hoping to start building some of my Heavy Gear stuff soon.

>>48944556
Because it can change the flavor.

>Mastering the secrets of blood, the Blood Priest transfers the vitality of the slain to allies, mending wounds.

>The Paladin calls upon the Light to sear closed wounds and bolster the efforts of an ally, pushing them further into battle.

>Calling on the elements, an Elementalist uses cold, crisp water to sooth an allies pain and calm their frayed nerves.

3 examples that mechanically could all be "A model heals 1 wound.", but with different flavors, some that appeal more to others. If you want the flavor of a Tracker to be a lone wolf hunting his prey, giving him an ability to boost morale to others takes away from it. Its not so much that you can't make it fit, its that its better to know what you want to achieve first rather than forcing something to fit.

>>48945333
But my fit was perfectly valid, you're putting your assumptions on a universe which isn't playing by those rules.

>>48941751
Orks, Krogans, Kilgons the dim but violent race with big weapons.

>>48945552
So are you.

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>>48941751
Space Demons who poses models from other factions and are lead by transformed possessed.

>>48945616
I have Triceratop-Ankylosaurus aliens, does that work?

>>48941751
What the hell is a progressive sci-fantasy dungeon delver? Are you making a game full of trannies and women preforming military roles as well as men?

>>48945667
Brilliant, as long as they have guns and swords bigger than a human torso.

>>48945658
10/10 would stick dick in crazy

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>>48941751
Really manly barbarians

>>48925979
>Of course, there's a Consentacle Card Game in the works currently.

That project has been radio silent for two years.

>>48945771
That Goliath's handgun

>>48929102
Are you fantasy-ing, or SF-ing?

>>48946555
Ammo Everywhere!

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>>48945708
>Man who buggers fire burns his penis
>Sun Tzu

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>>48946765
Don't forget Pompeii

>>48946576
Fantasy, I quite like the undead line from Splintered Earth, so I'll probably roll with that selection, you have an idea of something they should fight?

>>48945658
>poses
jojo faction please

>>48945771
>>48947588
Already sugested

>>48946398

One year, they've posted some new stuff up about it last year.

Still, they're super indie, so there's not a lot of money and probably not a lot of time to hammer it through finalized development and into product.

>>48945684
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/progressive

>>48948246
>12 meanings

>>48948274
None of them says trannies.

Anyway, please bait somewhere else. Maybe >>/pol/

>>48948296
>making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.:
a progressive community.


>a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, especially in political matters.

>>48945684
Warbands play a series of games, the results of each one adding to the band as it progresses through the games. Like Gorkamundaheim.

>>48945689
They are on a 40mm standard, so most likely, yes.

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>>48948324
>>48948296
>>48948274
>>48948246
Who cares?

>>48946555
>fists bigger than head

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>>48948328
>Gorkamundheim
Well played, Anon.

>>48944162
A lame game that shilled itself as a new age Mordheim but the only ones that get any exp are your Wizard and his apprentice (who is literally half your wizard, at all times. So even he's not important). You also only gain the most combat exp from your Wizard doing stuff, but he is also the entire reason for your warband to exist. So you can be wreckless and probably get him killed, which fucks you up for the rest of the campaign, or you can have him sit in the back like a pussy but hardly gain in levels....which also helps you lose more scenarios. Also, no routing rules, so games take forever, especially if you're playing with more than just another person.

Buy the minis, not the game. Maybe even the scenario books, but play Song of Blades and Heroes, or any other fantasy skirmish game for that matter.

so what game systems would you recommend for someone interested in Steampunk wargaming(besides the stuff Spartan publishes for Dystopian Wars that is)?

scale isn't absolute, although I think 10 or 15 mm would be the best choices(I've heard most of the good mini ranges for this sort of thing are in those sizes)

Dieselpunk and Atomicpunk are also things I'd be interested in if anyone has any good suggestions

>>48932606
Are there even wargame podcasts at all?

>>48949743
Wolsung or In Her Majesty's Name.

>>48949777
I'll admit I was hoping for non skirmish game suggestions

do you guys discuss bolt action or should I go to the historical wargames general?

>>48949869
Ah, sorry. I'm afrad there isn't much besides Dystopian Wars...maybe Dystopian Legions? Also, if you can find good 15mm minis, you could modify Victorian or Colonial games to suit your needs.

>>48949743
like >>48949777 said, "In Her Majesty's Name" for 15mm.

For 10mm you have Timeline 300 which I bet no one plays, or you can just use pick fluff light rulesets like Kings of War (a league of rhordia iron beast is pretty much identical to any other monster), pick a faction that fits the army composition and rename them.

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Is this the place to talk about the Batman Miniatures Game? Having lots of fun with it at the moment.

>>48950095
Yes.

>>48949870
/hwg/

>>48950095
I wish I was. my local group refuses to even look at it, despite them all being fans of Batman in general. Their excuse? "The minis suck".

They play Warmachine.
The game with awful casting for their line troops.
:(

>>48950190
The minis suck? Sculpt wise I think they're spot on, QC is admittingly a mixed bag.

Big Batman fan and lucked out, it has a bit of a following in my area with gaming every fortnight.

>>48950227
QC's an issue for most mini companies; you'll always get bad casts from even the best ones.
It's really starting to piss me off; many of them have Infinity, Malifaux and others, but they refuse to play anything but Warmahordes. I'm sick and tired of the WAAC attitude associated with WM/H, so I just don't enjoy playing it, especially with them.

>>48950329
>I don't enjoy the game they play
>I don't enjoy playing with them

Have you considered playing with someone else?

>>48950383
Yes. Other than them, it's just 40k kids for miles.

>>48950227
>Sculpt wise I think they're spot on
They're really good, I just wished they stick to a style/universe and expand on it, right now we have a couple from the animated series, Nolan's movies, Gotham tv show, Arkham Asylum, etc,

With Marvel minis they mostly stick to the style but then pick weird ass versions of a character, like the "superior spider man" and the new Ms Marvel.

>>48950422
Do you think if you picked up a couple of starter sets and offered to demo they would try it? The game speaks for itself. The Joker starter plus Miller Batman and a cop blister is a decent match up.

>>48950462
Yeah honestly this is a bit of a sticking point for me too. On the one hand its a little jarring seeing the animated aesthetic matched up to the game/ TV/ Movie models but at the same time its cast a wide net and gotten people interested that would've passed if it focused just on one universe.

I myself am a comic fan and haven't played the video games at all. Miller Batman having a model was what got me interested.

>>48949715
>games take forever

How? You are supposed to grab the treasure and GTFO. Not worth risking lots of henchmen if you already grabbed most of it.

>>48950422
Then you're fucked. My play group is faggot central and I can't stand them, so I just paint models instead.

>>48950095
Dayum, I've heard of this but it's the first time seeing any promo pics. This actually looks pretty cool, and a small handful of Anons have said the game is pretty fun.

>people hating on frostgrave

The game is fun fuck you

>>48951240
The game is only as fun as you make it to be.

Without your on fantasy and your own input the game is generic and shallow as fuck.

In my opinion this is a good thing desu, because it gives you alot of freedom for things to do with your warband without instantly "breaking the lore".

>>48951284
This really.

I don't play Frostgrave but from what I've seen it's best enjoyed as a long-running campaign with a group of friends.

I feel like playing it infrequently or as a one off would be much less fun.

>>48951284
It'd also tediously complex in the dumbest ways. The way wizard spells work is a real ball ache when you're just getting into it. Should be "Major in X get 5 spells, minor in Y get 3 spells" not the cluster fuck it is now.

>>48950532
>picked up a couple of starter sets
That's the thing; they already have other games; they just won't play them.
>>48950640
I know :(

>>48944708
nope, but it looked neat enough a steampunk shadow run.

Is anyone playing the new warzone? I'm considering getting in, as the models look really, really good (they have some 80ties vibe like the old warhammer models).

>>48949743
Soldier's Companion. It's a standalone expansion to Space: 1889, which is basically red-coated brits on mars. It's VSF - Victorian Science Fiction - rather than Steampunk, kind of a precursor? There are flying ships, using Martian liftwood (which is of course a valuable asset), although the natives' are man-powered or sail, storing energy in a flywheel for when they need to go fast. The British ships are solidly coal-powered, although Soldier's Companion isn't a ship game - they have one of those too, and it's compatible.

IIRC the germans use airships and diesel, but they're not a major part.

It's a neat setting, at least the first edition, and Soldier's Companion is a neat standalone game that works with or without weird tech and aliens. The designers' notes are worth a read: http://www.heliograph.com/space1889/scdesignnotes.html

It's written for 28mm figures, but frankly you can use anything. Adjust ranges if you like, or leave them as they are and enjoy a game where the figure scale is closer to the ground scale. Units are about 20 figures, a redcoat unit against a unit or two of irregulars is a fun game IIRC. Maybe three.

It's pretty readily available in PDF (pirated or cheap) and print (I think there's a POD version available through Amazon). For (sky) ships you want Sky Galleons of Mars/Ironclads & Ether Flyers, available similarly. I think there's even a combined POD of both in one volume on Amazon. They have deckplans for a whole lot of ships, some of which are cool as hell.

There's also a new edition of Space 1889, which is a bit shit (for some reason they retconned it so that the confederacy is a thing now?)

>>48950329
>>48950227
Its a price to quality issue really, they're 20-25 on the individual and the casts are not clean. And the sculpts are honestly just upper tier (but damn do they have good paint jobs)

>>48952916
https://mega.nz/#F!vt8SXb6Z!zDSRUUGmdIZxdBign_ntvQ

This has Soldier's Companion in it. Conklin's Atlas of the Worlds is also worth a look.

>>48952969
Since it doesn't have the airship game, the main Space 1889 book has some pretty pics of the basic ones , pp74-75. Note that SGoM/I&EF has a whole bunch of setting detail on who has what, complete with the few airships on Earth - liftwood being expensive to transport - and how they differ from the Earth designs on Mars. Also a bunch of the Earth factions on Mars have done their best to buy, beg or steal Martian ships, because it's hard to get them.

>>48947450
The Demonworld line, currently available from Ral Partha Europe, has your not-quite-Warhammer-World needs in hand.

If cheaper angry peasants are more your thing, the big bags of 15mm Anglo-Saxons at Old Glory 15s (not the same company as Old Glory Miniatures;yes, its confusing) might be worth looking at.

With a few exceptions, 15mm is not going to be art. They are game pieces.

>>48911996
I can't blame him, that kinda confused me the first couple times I joined these threads.

I have a bit of a crazy idea, and I just want to know what guys think. I'm thinking of running a RPG based around large scale warfare, and using wargaming to represent the battles.
Is this a good idea or will it just end in battles that take too long?

>>48916409
Khurasan is your best bet.

>>48950583
>How? You are supposed to grab the treasure and GTFO

So you don't attempt to stop your friends from getting their three treasures? You just kind of all agree "I've got a chest, don't touch me plz." You move at half speed, and ballistic henchman can fucking destroy. One of my friends had nothing but archers and would just set up his people to wait for someone to get to a treasure and snipe us until we died, or put enough pressure that we had to leave without hardly any.

The games are only fast if you have minimal or no combat, which would be retarded. And even then, it's not very fast because you have to slowly move all your guys off the side you came from, anyway. If the game actually had routing rules, the matches would be incredibly faster.

Any suggestions for cheap terrain? I'm not much of a craftsman so I'm not very confident in making my own, but I'm willing to try it.

>>48955806
Look up The Terrain Tutor on youtube, he did an entire series on cheap and easy terrain.

>>48955906
does he still post shitty videos where he's talking to his wife and kids? I had to unsub when I got sick of him posting videos of his kids stuff while not uploading any decent content he made.

Terranscapes is great as well. He's top tier craftsman and very autistic but he'll inspire you.

>>48955806
theDMsCraft has some good videos for some terrain pieces.

>>48956230
Yeah, but those are mostly his Sunday Live shows which I could never watch due to work anyway. His tutorial vids are good and he got a new workspace recently so his content should be getting better.

>>48955806
print some templates off wargames vault, lots of freebies and a lot of them come with more than one texture so you can mix and match

>>48955806
Check aquarium deco stuff

>>48956230
>kids stuff

I get that people want to show off their kid's stuff and be proud and all that but fuck if it isn't aggravating for us who don't give a damn about children, especially the kids of someone we don't even know IRL, and just want the good content.
I'm a long time viewer of his, even hanging out in the livestreams on occasion (good background for building/painting) but any time the kids turn up I'm out until they're gone. His wife is fine though because even when around she's not obnoxious, attention-whoring and loud in the way children are.

Great tutorials though. Really handy experimental stuff going through materials and how they compare, like that epvc thing. Fully recommended for that.

>>48956458
New workspace has definitely improved the vid quality. Though I do appreciate how completely lacking in fancy production the vids are still, because it's just not needed for the subject matter.

>>48945771
I'm thinking of having 3 levels of "quality" in mooks. You'd have the street gang and civilian level guys, cheap, crappy, and with the most limited gear; professional merc level, the average level; and fully trained soldier and specialist level, best training, gear, and the most expensive.

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Would you guys recommend Songs of Blades and Heroes, as a good starting point?

I havent played any battle games yet but I'd really like to try something out with my gf.
We got into painting after buying some Zombiecides and after few videos of Mordheim battle reps with great terrain, she told me she could try to play this kind of games (boardless).
I would put her "in-game mechanics knowledge", of ANY kind, at a level of 10 year old as she was never into fantasy nor vidia.
Is SoBaH a good start? Isn't 2 stats too trivial for this kind of game?

My goal in the future is Mordheim, but it'll take some time to gather proper minis so I'm looking for something with smaller starting step.

>>48945771
>>48958838
I've also thought about making it Necromunda, but each gang gets a giant robot.

>>48958886
I seen blogs with fathers playing it with they sons of six years, so I don't see why not. And it isn't Trivial, you can do pretty much what can you do with Mordheim without all the clutter, it's a pretty lean system, tough some times people abuse special rules.

>>48955906

Isn't that the feeb with the annoying verbal tic of saying "yeah" every 3 seconds? Pass. Even DMGinfo is less annoying.

>>48960484
>saying "yeah" every 3 seconds
Not more than 3 days ago I was checking random tree creation movies and I turned out this guy after 1 minute for the very same reason. Looks like kid is just one of his problems...
With all the respect to his skill, I have to watch his videos muted.

>>48960571
>>48960484
He breathes in every other word

>>48951488
I know that feeling, man. Zero financial obligation required for the other people to just TRY the game and the same old "but I already play game A" bullshit excuse.

The unwillingness of some people to try new things is one of the most frustrating aspects of this hobby sometimes.

>>48950095
i wish. however i also wish the game had the option for more generic leaders so that you didn't have to be JOKER fighting BATMAN(or similar IMPORTANT NAMED characters). sometimes you just wanna be a random street gang or paramilitary group that tried to take on people. honestly i think Batman Minis could be cool as fuck without the batman trappings.

Also, has anyone tried the marvel system knight models put out?

>>48961216
Buy the faceless mooks, play SoBaH

>>48961216
>not playing batman plus different batman plus bank robber vs third batman plus joker plus different joker

>>48961216
Not yet played but I like the Marvel rules more. Very Anima tacticsish only d8s and more AP all around.

>>48958886
>I would put her "in-game mechanics knowledge", of ANY kind, at a level of 10 year old

I'm pretty sure there's a video on youtube of a 10 year old teaching you how to play, so I'd say she's good. Then again, you may just want to push her straight into the deep end of the pool and go straight to Mordheim. Just use random books and bits until you can start making cool terrain. That way there's no transition pains on her, because SoBaH has some really BASIC rules compared to Mordheim.

>>48962383
who is this tutorial 10 year old that you speak of?

The only video I saw was some mouth breathing idiot

>>48962111
oh? what draws you to the marvel stuff?

>>48955336
>or will it just end in battles that take too long?
Based on the explicit design goals of the various Battletech RPGs, this is a likely outcome.

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>>48958886
Who is that guy and why does he make me want to punch his dumb fucking face?

>>48964380
Hwhil Hwheaton, a.k.a. "Shut up Wesley".

>>48964380
He's Wil Wheaton. He used to be a child actor, now he makes a living being le epic super geek lulz xD reddit maymay man who "fucking loves science".

>>48958886
I was going to help you but then you posted that cuck and now I just want to get a time machine and give your mother and his an abortion with a rusty coat hanger.

>>48964380
He's Will Wheaton, he played one of the most hated Star Trek characters ever and now he's pushed his way into tabletop gaming to try and stay relevant. Hardcore feminist Nu male who constantly shits all over the community in the usual feminist ways while trying to pander to them by going on TBBT (who don't even want him any more).

so let's say I wanted a non-skirmish wargame to use for Metal Gear inspired games*, what would be some good systems to use?

*so basically covering anywhere between the early 60's and the very near future in conventional military technology, as well as all the wacky stuff the Metal Gear franchise is known for

>>48965150
One of the Weird War games? K47, Dust?
They have soldiers with assault rifles, Super/Heavy soldiers and stuff like mechs too.

>>48963265
Not the one you're replying to, but from the top of my head.
- throwing park benches into a motherfucker
- throwing cars into a motherfucker
- throwing a motherfucker into another motherfucker
- characters gain and lose abilities as they take damage
- VERY fluffy character abilities
- surprisingly quick to play

The only thing I kinda hate is how unreliable knight models is on their choices of releases.

>>48965150
Osprey's spec ops game (can't remember the name), or BrikWars.

>>48965167
>>48965644
after doing some research, at least for the moment I think I'm going to go with one of Ground Zero Games' systems, either Dirtside 2 or Star Grunt(it's been a while since I read either of them, so I can't remember right this second which would be better)

although I might do some stuff with Mobile Frame Zero as well, been fiddling with some ideas on how to model non-Mech units and larger scale games without increasing the complexity by too much

>>48965636
My friend and I got started with the Spider-man Miniatures game. We are still waiting on a new release, anything dead game

Local store is closing and having huge discounts. Anything you guys would recommend looking for on clearance?

>>48966259
GW Bretons if they have any left. These sell for crazy prices on ebay right now and they won't go lower any time soon

Besides that, anything GW and metal if there is such things left.

Besides these obvious things which will earn you money if you were to re-sell them just look for stuff you like. Nobody in here knows your taste and nobody knows what stuff that store is stocking.

>>48966276
I'm just looking for cool shit to paint and don't fancy sorting through 100 board games to check each one for cool models so just a vague idea of whats worth looking for is what I'm after.

>>48966281
It's pretty fucking hard to decide with literally zero input of what they have or what you need.

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Anybody still dabble in Dust Tactics/Warfare? Pretty much just collecting at this point, but been trying to demo Warfare whenever I get the chance. Dead game it may be, it's still a ton of fun.

My Sedition wars minis arrived. They have pretty bad flash but will make really good Chaos dudes for a kill team. Looking forward to painting them when I've finished some stuff on my work bench.

>>48968229
Can you post a few pics of how they are right now? With flash and everything?

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>>48968240

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>>48968240
.

>>48968332
>>48968362
Thanks. Could be worse i guess. Nice minis!

>>48968597
They're nice minis, They're just so detailed the flash runs over annoying areas which makes it shitty.

>>48957158
Having bought some myself for that purpose, I can say that it is not cheap though.

>>48966281
if the board game says "cool mini or not" on it, there's stuff to paint inside

otherwise unless it's Kemet it won't have good things to paint

>>48966281
FFG Star Wars stuff

>>48965150
Fistful of TOWs doesn't have rules for giant robots, but it does have rules for tactical nuclear weapons, and Hind-Ds.

>>48964380
>>48964568
Well sorry then. I was looking for something with femanons asap and found this. Looked retarded enough.

>>48962383
>>48960208
Thanks to you both.
Well as I said Mordheim will be our goal but the difference between it and Sobah is that the second we can play right away with random minis from random games, while for mordheim I need to complete 2 thematic, nice looking warbands. In sobah I can put an elf, dwarf and necromancer together and call it a proper team, no so hard proxying required.

Good thing she's into creating terrain as well, so even if she's not going to be the greatest player, I've got somebody to help me with creative stuff.

How often does CMoN restock Dark Age stuff in their store? Looked into it due to the thread, and really like the look of CORE, but several things are sold out at the moment.

Do they do a decent job of refreshing stock, or is it a lost cause since it's more of a niche game?

Does CMON have a UK branch? They do a lot of stuff but their main website seems US focused

>>48969164
>While for mordheim I need to complete 2 thematic, nice looking warbands

Dude, I used plastic army men with dry erase dots on their heads to tell who was on who's warband before eventually using 40k Orkz and Space Marines. You don't need the figures, no matter how much GW makes you believe you need to. Just need a way to tell who's what and has what.

>>48970362
I know Wayland sell their stuff, although a lot of it is out of stock at the moment.

>>48970660
Wayland are known for being very unreliable.

>>48970724
Really? Wayland.co.uk? I never had a problem with them. Insanely fast delivery to an EU country and good prices too.

>>48970757
I think it's Wayland who people often talk bad about. Element games are exceptionally good though.

>>48970724
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>>48970772
I've ordered from them quite a lot.

Generally if everything you ordered is marked as in stock when you order it you won't have any problems.

However if anything is marked as out of stock you could be in for a long wait as their restocks are very unpredictable.

Also they tend to be a bit iffy with preorders, so I'd avoid that if possible.

>>48970864
>However if anything is marked as out of stock you could be in for a long wait as their restocks are very unpredictable.

That can happen everywhere though. There is a reason that items are marked as "in stock" and as "sold out".

>>48970772
Element games send me a free pen and sweetie when I order from them. I like them.

>>48970904
I got some chocolates when i ordered from Warlord before the Christmas days last year.

>>48970884
There have been instances where items have been 'out of stock' for very long periods of time or even vanished from the store altogether.

I believe in that latter case they will refund you though.

Basically Wayland are reliable if you make certain everything is in stock when you order.

>>48970904
I have a shit load of their sweeties too.. They have great customer service.

That said I also sell stuff on ebay and use Warlord games as a distro. They're fantastic too.

>>48970920
>Basically Wayland are reliable if you make certain everything is in stock when you order.
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As you should do all the time if you want a certain item fast.

>even vanished from the store altogether.

Thats whats happening for japanese hobby stuff alot of times. The longest wait was like 9 month for a Tamiya King Tiger i ordered when the store had marked it as "restock".

But i can hardly blame them if Tamiya isn't casting new kits, what can they do..

>>48970951
Japan is weird though. They produce a shit load of kits but in a cycle. If it's not within a year you're waiting on a re-cast which they announce a few months ahead of time. Considering they still recast kits from the 80s, it's quite fast of a cycle.

>>48970246
Check some other stores for product, though IIRC they restock somewhat regularly. If you're US based warstore has dark age

>>48898794
man I always thought those bitches frm autin powers were hot.
hnnnnnnnngghh....

Does anyone happen to have a pdf of In Her Majesty's Name?

>>48970484
I'm not falling for GW meme. And I wasn't saying about 2 complete warbands using GW models. The only time I look at their models is when I'm looking for a cheaper, similar proxy.

But I like aesthetics, while keeping it cheap I want humans represented as humans, el capitano being at least a little bit more heroic than a henchman. Using army soldiers, with paint drop on them, is ok when you only want to play a game at all cost.
I wan't to play keeping the visual atractivnes. That's why I'm going with system that allows me to utilize models that I have now (like sobah).
Mordheim can wait a month or two.

>>48951400

My biggest problem with how spells work (beyond how poorly balanced they are) is that they are pretty difficult to cast.

You can go whole games without casting anything and of course failing to cast stuff by a certain amount means you wound yourself as well.

>>48972446
The d20 basically fucks it up.

>>48972446
>dice are bad in dice games

ok

>>48972477

Yeah, FG basically uses D20's for no other reason than nostalgia and a it fucks up the whole thing.

a 60% cast rate on 2d6 is still equal to a 60% cast rate on 1d20

>>48972483

Where did I say that?

>>48972606
Well, yeah, but it builds up entirely differently. With a d20, to roll a 7, you have a 1:20 chance, with 2d6...I won't calculate it, but from Catan I know it's the most common result on a 2d6, and most results have multiple components (like you can get 7 by rolling a 3 and a 4, 6 and 1, 5 and 2...). Frostgrave with its 20 makes the game MUCH more random than if it would be based on 2d6. If you like it, fine, but eh, it's random enough with 1-2d6.

>>48972847
>I actually don't understand probability

Thank you for proving my point.

>>48972887
As a whole the d20 makes it much more random. There are 20 possible results instead of 12. It's like how "guess which number I'm thinking of between 1 and n" is much easier if n is 10 than if it's 100.

Tho I'm not sure what we're arguing about. A 60% is 60%, doesn't matter what. FG is more random, and thus not as good for many people because of it, including me, after two of my treasure carriers got headshot because my opponent rolled two twenties and I could cast a single spell in the entire game.

2D10 is the most common house rule for the dice system in Frostgrave.

Keeps the same result range basically but it has a bit of a bell curve.

>>48973133
in my group we play a game of chess instead of rolling dice, whoever is attempting the action plays as white.

>>48973213
Why don't you just roll a di...ooooh, ahhhahahahaha, sarcasm, I love it!

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