MTG LEGACY GENERAL

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Here's the list.

>>48762941
Why not double sleeve your deck in some Dragonshields, anon?

>>48763019
cause i took this picture a while back, before I learned the wisdom of double sleeving.

I just played the DDFT mirror match on MTGO. Any chance my opponent also frequents /tg/?

Tourney guy here, we got 7 people last thread who would be interested, with a majority vote favoring Xmage. I'm away for the weekend but when I get back if the thread is still around I'll make a Challonge signup. Maybe having weekly tournaments to practice, play shitbrews, or whatever you want can generate some more interest in the format.

>>48767986
I missed the last thread but you can count me in as the eighth man.

>>48767986
I usually play cockatrice but would download xmage for the chance to duke it out against my fellow anons.

The question is: do I play a shitbrew or something actually competitive?

If I don't run force of will (semi-poorfag) in my reanimator shell, should I run faithless looting instead?

And by that effect, wouldn't that make daze a lot less consistent?

>>48771531
if you want to play reanimator without force, go the BR route with faithless looting and unmask. it's put up decent results online.

>>48771529
follow your heart, anon

>>48767986
I voted no on the poll but i'I'd probably play. I just don't really like cockatrice/xmage. I put up with mtgo because it relatively consistently enforces the rules. I've had too many people try to cheat on me with cockatrice. Not that I think other fa/tg/guys would cheat.

>>48774024
Xmage has a rules engine and it only bugs out occasionally.

Do any of you Legacy guys use chinese fakes?
Where do you get the best ones from?

>>48774157
Xmage's rules engine doesn't have support for every card. A lot of legacy cards aren't supported.

>>48776454
I've played jank like Parfait on there and never had a problem. What cards aren't supported?

>>48767986
I'd love that

>>48769297
>>48774024
>>48776728
>>48771529
Great, when I get home I'll make a signup and we can get a final player tally. Now, I would guess most anons have differing schedules, so maybe I can post pairings then the anons contact each other, play, and confirm results. This way the anons can try to chose a platform they are both familiar with and find time within their schedules. The matches could be played over the course of a week and after we have a winner we can host another. Alternatively we can just agree on a few hour block of time to play.

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>>48771531
Just play sanic speed BR reanimator and kill on T1 every game with Ten Drills.

>>48762901
Backup Deck:
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Vampire Hexmage
4 Lotus Petal
2 Expedition Map
3 Into the North
4 Crop Rotation
4 Not of This World
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Sylvan Library
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Swamp
2 Bayou
4 Dark Depths
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
SB: 3 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 4 Chalice of the Void
SB: 1 Karakas
SB: 1 Maze of Ith

>>48778552
I played a modified version of that when my shop started doing no-ban modern events. I 6-0d two weeks in a row and then people didn't want to play the format anymore. If buy into it in legacy of I hadn't already committed to force of will decks.

>>48779150
The deck is bonkers and nobody expects it at all. I'm really liking it, it's the only shell that's more consistent than the blue cantrip cartel: why run 8 cantrips when you can just run 13 tutors?

The Delver matchup is just so absurdly good, they run maybe 10 pieces of relevant disruption, and you have 12 answers. They might stop the first token, they might stop the second token, but who cares when they're casting Thought Scours and drawing Pyromancers while you're drawing 1-mana Tinkers.

>>48779681
what do you think it's worst matchup is? I'm getting all hyped up thinking about it.

>>48779801
D&T is horrendous, almost impossible preboard. They just have so many good cards against you. Wasteland is good, Karakas kills the token, StP kills the token, Flickerwisp kills the token.

Luckily there are no regulars that play D&T in my current meta, but when I play larger tournaments I sometimes run 4 pic related sideboard. It's just that bad.

Every other matchup is fine: nonblue non D&T fair decks (Jund, Maverick, Nic Fit) can't win, Delver decks and Shardless are favorable for you, Miracles and the slower combo decks are even and grindy (ANT, Elves, Sneak, Omni), the faster combo decks just become a race (TES, SI, Belcher, Oops), and D&T is really difficult as previously mentioned.

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>>48779907
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>>48779921
>tfw every deck I want to play has a bad dnt matchup

>>48779987
You should play elves and put those stupid whiteknight fags in their place

Do GWx decks, namely called Maverick, stand a chance in this meta? I really like playing with it, as it is a hard deviance from DnT but share some cards.

>>48780092
I prefer Aggro Loam>>48780037

>>48780092
GW toolbox decks are quite adaptable to your metagame, with GSZ hitting all of your silver bullets. I think if you know your meta and change around it they can be great.

>>48780187
I always search for good Green creatures with useful abilities, but the best rules bending cards are White. What I like about the deck is the splash can change your gameplan a lot.

I failed to find new info or discussion about the deck. Some new posts on MTGSalvation forums, but not a fresh and updated compendium.

>>48776582
Last I checked Doomsday wasn't supported.

>>48780794

Doomsday is showing up in the card list so it has to be supported. I know what you mean though because for a while Squandered Resources wasn't supported either.

>>48781794
If it is now that's great and makes me much more interested in a tg tournament.

What's condired the "deck to beat" in the format?

>>48783437
miracles

>>48783474
That's Countertop with the extra inevitability of drawing into Entreat, right? I've never played Legacy and want to learn about it.

>>48783731
yeah although some lists are moving away from entreat toward monastery mentor. those still play terminus, though.

>>48783802
What are some other of the more prevalent decks? I know about ANT, Grixis Delver, Merfolk, and Death and Taxes but not about much else

>>48783994
Merfolk isn't very prevalent. other big decks are shard less bug, eldrazi stompy, and sneak & show.

>>48783994
also lands, nic fit, stoneblade, infect I feel deserve mentioning

>>48784160
So is Eldrazi like the (banned) Modern deck at all? BUG seems like it uses Sharless Agent to cascade into other threats, is that it or is there more to it? I've heard about Sneak and Show but know little about it besides the cheating out big threats early deal.

>>48784194
I'm reading the Lands primer right now, seems cool. No idea what Nic Fit is. Stoneblade sounds somewhat straightforwards. I'm also assuming that Infect is similar to the Modern variant.

>>48784311
eldrazi is like the banned modern deck but it gets to play even more 2 mana lands. shardless also cascades into ancestral visions and hymn to tourach, and plays other threats like jtms and lotv. sneak and show and the similar omni-show are pretty straightforward combo decks that lots of people here think are brainless. nic fit is a fair gbx deck that abuses the interaction between veteran explorer, cabal therapy, and the fact that most other decks don't play many basic lands, then plays big ass threats. legacy infect is kind of like the modern version but it gets invigorate, berserk, force of will, daze, and crop rotation.

>>48762901
mandatory:
>pay to win general

>>48784499
So Nic Fit gets to ramp up and do some nasty discard action at the same time? Seems pretty fun. What's the rest of the deck like, as in threats/other stuff?

>>48784506
Isn't that every non limited/pauper format, though?

>>48784599
>Isn't that every non limited/pauper format, though
while every format is 'pay to win' at some degree, in most of them you won't find as much trouble using a cheap, well-built deck. This is just not true in Legacy. If you don't have the objectively optimal cards, you will lose.

>>48784599
basically any >=6 cmc edh creature. usually like grave Titan or old sigarda. also, I know you're new, but the "pay to win" guy is a troll, so just ignore him please.

How's Burn?

>>48783731
more like countertop plus one mana wraths

entreat isn't even always used these days

>>48774024
in addition to costing money, mtgo doesn't even have the whole card pool

I don't know about everything it's missing, but as a lands/loampox player I do know it's missing tabernacle, and that's kind of a big deal

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>>48786089
?

>>48786212
fuck I got mixed up somehow

anyway I don't wanna buy ports online

>>48784746
Lol you have your shit completely backwards.
Tier 2-3 decks can will Legacy 5-rounders, that shit just isn't true of Standard and only happens in Modernw hen the lower tier deck is a strong anti-meta call.

The more cards there are in a format, the less necessary it is to play the best 75 in order to win.

>>48770075

at first I hated this and thought it was a fucked up joke, but then i really looked at it and you're a fucking madman but i like it. underrated post

Currently have 4c Loam whats a backup deck I can reasonably make?

>>48784746
It's more easy to find and build rogue decks in Eternal formats than non-eternal constructed.

>>48762901
I don't have a backup deck yet but leaning towards either ANT or DnT, love both the decks but haven't actually built them or played a whole lot with them. I'm the Esper miracles guy if that'll help with deciding

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fuck yeah sea king

>>48789271
those efeets

>>48789271
Look at all dem non-English cards!

>>48789271
>Efreets
>Mulldrifters
Play on, you majestic beast

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dead-already/

Just got back into magic and bought a few cards to go with my old collection

Tips to improve?

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>>48793489
>Recurring Nightmare
Ive been stomped hard by this card, reanimation decks arent that good in the current meta tho

>>48787211
>The more cards there are in a format, the less necessary it is to play the best 75 in order to win
good luck finding other cards that aren't force of will to avoid losing on the first turn.

>>48787919
i'm talking about decks that can win.

>>48762941
Oh my god your deck is like pure cancer. You'd just delay the game and go to time if your one creature gets exiled.

>>48786212
Why would anyone pay $800+ for that effect?

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Wow I guess Painters been completely pushed out of the metagame, its not even a slot on Goldfish anymore. Guess ill buy into Lands instead.

>>48794028
I heard it's more that Recruiters are so hard to get that no one player it.

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>>48792326
T R I G G E R E D

>>48793967
He can still kill people with The Rack and Cursed Scroll if someone StPs the Nether Spirit.

>>48794184
Doesn't excuse the un-interactive cancer he's got going on. He might as well say "Don't bother playing permanents, just put them in the graveyard".

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>>48794243

>discard, land destruction, creature sacrifice/removal

>un-interactive

lol

>>48794243
I think you missed a turn, buddy.
Standard general is this way >>48792909.

>>48792326
>those bolts
are you the same guy who occasionally posts a goblins list on the modern thread? either way, I love you.

>>48794243
>interaction is only interaction if it happens on the battlefield

Legacy is not for you.

>>48794320
FUCK YOU

>>48794243

Welcome to control decks, son.

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>>48762941
>>48762901

>Have most of what's needed for Pox
>Don't have Sinkholes

...think I could get away with using Blights?

>>48795642
No

Is Ignornt Bliss implemented on Xmage?

>>48795665

Why not? It's effectively the same. Two black, destroy land.

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>>48795700
>enchanted land never taps

what then?

>>48795700
They still get a use out of it. It doesn't destroy the land, it turns it into a lotus petal.
Or just does nothing if its an Eye of Ugin or Dark Depths

>>48795700
They get mana off of the land, they control when it dies, and they can potentially remove your Blight.

>>48795700
dude ema sinkholes are like $12

>>48795700
>>48795642
EMA Sinkholes are only 10 bucks. You can grab 'em.

>>48785896
Burn is pretty strong actually. It's terrible against fast combo decks, but it has a decent to good matchup against almost every other deck. It's a solid pick if there aren't many combo decks in your meta, and it has the benefit of being one of the most budget friendly competitive decks.

>>48795889
Noice. It's the thing I've been looking at due to its (relative) cheapness. What can be done for the combo matchups?

>>48795939
Depends on the combo. Pyroblasts are decent vs Storm variants and especially Sneak and Show/Omnitell/High Tide, tormod's crypt and surgical extraction vs Dredge/Reanimator/Tin Fins and Mindbreak Trap vs Belcher. Painter is a good MU for burn despite being a combo deck since you have tons of bolts to point at Servant and their lockpieces do nothing vs monoR that doesn't need the combat step.

>>48795939
hope that you draw/mulligan into your hate cards.

>>48796028
I actually don't like Pyroblast in burn. I prefer Bridge against Sneak and Show and Eidolon against High Tide and Omni

>>48796174
Eidolon is already in the mb, gets removed with Hydroblast/whatever bounce without pyros to back it up. Bridge works but it's slow since there's no accel, t2 show isn't too outlandish and after drawing 14 with Griselbrand they usually have some removal for Bridge.

>>48796174
True. I removed the Pyroblasts from my sideboard after I realized I almost never used them and I haven't missed them since.

>>48796228
You rarely cast a bridge. They rarely run artifact removal in sneak and Show, omni may be a different story, but your 1 Pyroblast isn't going to win any stack wars. Also, how are they drawing 14 with Griselbrand?

>>48795540
Zozzle

>>48793967
You are a pleb of the highest order if you can't emotionally handle a pox deck.

>>48793926
>Muh first turn meme
You've never played Legacy.

>>48798847
Speaking of which, is Legacy defined by turns like Modern, which is 4 turns?

>>48794047
Yeah recruiters are unfortunately very rare. They should have been the chase mythic in EM and not fucking Mana Crypt.

>>48798874
Yes, Legacy is a turn 3 format. From the horse's mouth.
Vintage is the turn 1 format and even there a lot of games en turn 2 or 3 due to match-up interactions.

>>48798874

Legacy doesn't have a set amount of turns, theres fast combo decks that try to win as fast as possible, usually the first three turns (Belcher, Oops, some sneak and show variants) then you how slow combo decks (AnT, TES, most show and tell variants) which will durdle for as long as you let them, then you have most creature based decks that generally race but the the games will last awhile because 3 power is generally the cap, then you have the decks that want don't win they just make the opponent give up or they go to time (miracles)

>>48799248
How does Vintage play? I know there's a ton of combo.

>>48799444
It's combo and prison/stax galore thanks to the moxen, but again it's not "lol who wins the coinflip wins!" liike most people think Vintage and Legacy are. You have to either save your combo till you can protect it or deploy it in a way that interfering with it puts your opponent farther back than losing the combo piece puts you back. It's the most resource-management intensive format.

>>48799444
It's a very skill intensive format, I'd say the most. Sometimes you do just lose turn 1, same in legacy but tuff luck. The format is largely unexplored due to their being lots of good stuff going around as is and a large lack of any sort of player base.

>>48799248
Vintage is the turn 2 format, wizards doesn't like it when a deck wins on turn 1 too often. It's the t2 format because your opponent gets to draw on their turn to either protect them selves from you or set themselves up and you had that ability your first turn.

>>48800018
I wish the reserved list wasn't a thing so the format could have tournaments without making a deck that costs many thousands of dollars. At least there's Cockatrice and Xmage, but those can't sustain an exploratory playerbase.

>>48800062
You see I'm suuuper conflicted with the reserve list. I hate it but at the same time, I REALLY don't want my cards in the list to drop in price. What I really think they should do is allow a deck with 50% proxy to be legal in vintage tournaments, (with legacy I think a limit of 4 cards is fine)

>>48800145
What reserved cards do you own?

Just a bunch of Duals really, nothing else pops into mind. I am trying to get some power though, probably trading Duals and en masse modern staples because I don't play the format

>>48799425
ANT and TES both try to win in the firSt 3 turns.

>>48800907

You must of never played either, you want to wait as long as possible to have as much disruption as possible, there are some matchups where you do but game 1 if you should never go for the win

t.stormfag

>>48801189
>stormfag
Sieg heil!

I thought there was not any deck more autistic than storm. Then i played against painter. Legacy has too many fun decks and people play the worst

>>48801438
What do you think is fun?

>>48801473
Bug
Show and tell
Miracles
Dredge
Enchantress
DnT
Mud

>>48801528

>Miracles
Ha ha okay, nice "trolling" anon-
>Enchantress
GET THE FUCK OUT

>>48801528

>likes dredge and miracles

>hates storm

Confirmed for shit tier taste

>>48801528
>Show and Tell aka let me whirwind slam this Grizzle and fuck your shit up
>Miracles
Epic. Absolutely epic.
>Dredge
Wow, an actual nazi!
>Enchantress
No lad
Everything else is fine, though. ANT and Doomsday Storm are objectively the coolest decks in the format, though.

>>48801647
>ANT and Doomsday Storm are objectively the coolest decks in the format, though.
ANT is too spikey to be cool. SI is the coolest storm variant, followed by Doomsday.

>>48801603
>Not liking to transform an utopía sprawl into an ancestral recall
>>48801647
>Not loving to flashback dread return for iona and 9 zombies
But playing 2000$+ solitarie is fun

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-05-16-0-drop-storm/
Just found this spicy meme. What's with the people on tappedout that use shocklands in Legacy decks? It boggles the mind.

Is Chronotog Stasis deck a good deck?

>>48801675
SI is too inconsistent to be coolest. The correct coolness ordering is DDFT, SI, TES, ANT
>>48801189
This is kind of wrong. If you have the option g1 to kill turn 1 or duress turn 1, you should duress. But waiting as long as possible isn't always right. You want to wait for the first opportunity. Don't waste time disrupting of you don't have to. Don't wait for disruption if your chances to win are higher if you just jam. Don't try to beat things you can't.

t. a guy who just beat 2 trinispheres and a chalice on 1 with doomsday.

>>48802159
Well its cheerios you don't need duals. In fact you should really play russian foil shocks. You also don't need 3 lands and spoils of the vault when personal tutor and no black works better ("works" used loosely here).

>>48802268
>you don't
>you should
This isn't my deck.

>>48802223
>t. a guy who just beat 2 trinispheres and a chalice on 1 with doomsday.
What hate card is the hardest for you to deal with?

>>48770075
I play parfait as well, but i run it as 4 color. A single land tax activation gives you permanent color fixing! Adding blue gives you daze and brain storm, daze obviously good with land tax and brainstorm is a great card when you dont have scroll rock. Instead of rest in peace i run leyline of the void, not having to spend 2 mana and not being abrupt decayable makes it alot stronger. Green just a single forest and windswept heath and I put in 2 abrupt decays. Mana base is 4 tundra, 2 scrubland, 4 flooded strand, 1 heath, rest basic lands.

>>48802268
Spoils enables a win via lab maniac

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tfw the store where I play Legacy every week is currently under ~3 ft. of water.

>>48802313
Whatever dog. It's a colloquialism.
>>48802495
I didn't notice the labman. Still think it's not worth it. It clogs the deck up with lands and creatures and tutors that are liable to kill you in a deck that already fizzles too much. Normal cheerios is hilarious enough, no need to spice it up.
>>48802321
Probably thalia. You can beat other hate with pass-the-turn(s) piles but thalia doesn't give you that opportunity because she can attack. You can win through chalice on any number if you have enough turns to live, but most hate-permanent decks don't give you that time, which makes things hard.

>>48803188
>Thalia
>Forgetting about LSG

Certainly not as bad as it used to be in Vintage since you can't be staring it down turn 1, but beating a 4 turn clock that is also an asymmetric sphere effect is definitely harder than Thalia.

>>48803295
But MUD is garbage in Legacy.

>>48803188
>>48802321
Actually I take back what I said about thalia. Fuck smokestack that card is fucking ass. Can't abrupt decay it, can't get to 5 lands to meltdown it, can win through it with PTT piles. Fortunately no one plays it and you can usually kill before it gets enough counters if you hit your land drops. But I got butt blasted by a turn 2 smokestack earlier today and it was dumb and I'm salty.

>>48802159
>Scapegoat
Holy shit, spicy
Sadly it doesn't seem consistent enough to work

>>48803295
Yeah lsg is rough. But its not common enough and you can win before it comes out. Falls in the same category as smokestack. Horrible and unfair but rarely seen. Thalia is the worst common hate.

>>48803188
What would you think of Personal Tutors instead of some of the Beck//Calls in the Cheerios-like? The tutor can grab you another Glimpse and tutor-glimpse costs just as much as Beck and builds an additional storm count. I still like Spoils as a one-of just as that extra (really dangerous) tutor and maniac finisher.

>>48803379
I'd still cut spoils/labman, but personal tutor is good. I've had only bad experiences with spoils in modern ad naus. It always exiles my ssg's and/or win cons. So I'm a little biased.

>>48770075
Please explain this to my. Trying to get into legacy, but I am researching first (!).

>>48803592
Land Tax and Scroll Rack generate card advantage, Enlightened Tutor can grab hate cards or engine cards. StP/Orim's/Wrath buy time for the other cards to come online.

As wincons you have RiP/Helm combo and Charbelcher, which is lethal when Land Tax has pulled most of the lands out of your deck.

Parfait is far, far, from being a tier deck, but it's a good example of the strange strategies that the legacy card pool enables. It's pretty cheap, too.

>>48803481
>It always exiles my ssg's and/or win cons
In this it's purely a wincon. You name "Emrakul, the Aeons Torn" or some shit and strip your deck after filtering through it with 2+ Glimpses and all that chaff. Sac one creature to Culling the Weak and get a Blue to cast Manicac. keep a few critters in your hand, activate spoils at <10, strip your library, pop a kobold, and you win. An argument could be made to drop the Spoils as you can just filter through your whole deck naturally with those creatures, but I feel Spoils' ability to function as a fifth tutor (which is dangerous, as you said) and its ability to skip a potential dead zone of creatures (however unlikely that may be).
I also cut two of the Land Grants for Phyrexian Mauraders, as in some solitaires I found that I often hit draws without creatures and got my hand clogged with Grants.

>>48803358
I want to make it consistent through any means necessary.

>>48803710
After some solitaires, I created this mainboard list:
4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Laboratory Maniac
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Phyrexian Walker
4 Shield Sphere
2 Beck // Call
4 Glimpse of Nature
2 Land Grant
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Culling the Weak
3 Scapegoat
4 Lotus Petal
1 Savannah
1 Tropical Island
4 Personal Tutor
1 Pact of Negation
3 Phyrexian Marauder

As I found out during testing, DDFT was right about Spoils being superfluous. Phyrexian Marauders were added to keep the deck full of creatures. The Bayou was removed because it was relatively unnecessary. Culling the Weak and Tendrils were reduced to one-ofs to get space for a mainboard pact of negation and extra scapegoat (really fucking amazing card by the way). Beck was reduced to a two-of in order to fit in 4 Personal Tutors. The deck is interesting, but inconsistent as >>48803358 said. I still want to work on it a bit.

>>48762901
my first legacy deck was dredge

lol

>>48803481
Hey I would like to request your advice DDFT guy.

I am thinking about buying into Legacy by picking up a set of Lion's Eye Diamonds. What are the strongest decks I can play with them? So far I am looking at ANT, Doomsday, and Dredge.

Is Doomsday more fun than ANT (and could you hook me up with a sweet Doomsday list?).

>>48805231
Not doomsday guy but it's honestly a matter of preference. Proxie up both and play them or use Xmage/Cockatrice to play with the decks a bit.

>>48805231
ANT is the most competitive, but you're buying a deck you will probably play for years against largely similar decks. Test all of them and make sure you find "the one".

>>48805231
>>48805402
This. It will be one of the most important decisions in your life.

>>48803081
Play Merfolk

>>48805231
Dredge is the most powerful deck in a vacuum since the engine of draw 20-40 on your first turn, cabal therapy your opponent four times in a row and draw 6 every turn after that beats every other deck in terms of pure CA and you can tweak the mainboard guite a bit to suit your tastes and meta (skip combat step for combo kill with Flayer of the Hatebound if lots of stax/ensnaring bridge running around, Quadlazer for grindy metas where you need 100% consistency, Manaless if you're playing vs nothing but blue midrange where you can't resolve anything etc) but it's the easiest to hate out and especially in longer tournaments often will. TES fares better in faster metas and has unreal synergy between cabal therapy and ETW to strip your opponent's outs and/or brainstorm after you've gone off, ANT dominates non-blue fair metas since not running a wishboard frees slots for lots of counter-hate in addition to abrupt decay.

>>48803081
Louisiana?

>>48805231
If youre gonna buy the LED you might as well aquire the cards for both ANT and Dredge. Build ANT because its the better deck. Build Dredge because its the more powerful deck but the hate is so strong youll lose games 2 and 3 plenty. Dredge deck past LED is like $2-300.

>>48805918
>>48805231
This. If you are a combo player primarily, LEDs are a good buy in. Once you have LEDs, you'll probably end up acquiring the peices to play almost any LED deck. Obviously Storm decks will need duals which is a significant cost, but only a few dollars more will get you dredge and belcher. Then get a bayou and for a few more dollars you can play SI. Then get a couple blue duals and you probably already have fetches from standard/modern and boom you can play almost any deck that kills with the storm mechanic.

>>48805402
>ANT is the most competitive
People say this a lot and I think it's misleading. ANT is the default storm list and see the most play because it is net decked the most. But they all have their upsides and downsides. It's worth getting the peices to all of them and understanding how to play all of them.

>>48806997
When I say "only a few dollars more" I don't mean it literally. But LED (and duals) are the main cost of LED decks.

>>48807015
Duals are the main cost of most of our decks lol

>>48807037
I guess so. I meant that unlike a deck like shardless where once you buy the duals and force of wills, you still need wasteland, goyf etc., once you buy duals and LED everything else is relatively cheap.

>>48805231
Also here is my DDFT list : http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-03-16-ddft/

Here's the Challonge link, hope I set everything up correctly. Never tried to set this up before.
http://challonge.com/tg_legacy

>>48808316
Is anything besides single Elimination possible? Single Elim kinda sucks.

>>48808546
sure, I can remake it unless someone with experience using Challonge wants to

>>48808586
I have no experience with Challonge. I just think swiss is a more desirable tournament setup and suspect others will agree. Glad to see you set it up though.

Here we go:
http://challonge.com/tg_legacy2

>>48808316
How do I enter?

>>48808797
You should be able to if you sign in on an account, if not then I've probably made a mistake or linked the wrong page.

>>48808808
>>48808808
yeah, I fucked up. third times the charm

>>48808816
Link?

Ok, lets try this again. I need to work on my reading comprehension.
http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/en48bJZLEc

>>48808839
I'm having trouble signing up. It thinks my Gmail adress isn't formed like an email address. I typed in in right. I'll try again when I'm home from work.

>>48808839
What are the details for this? Like platform and time of tournament?

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Conspiracy 2 Spoilers starting today. IoK reprint, any other spoiler catch your eye?

>>48809469
not him, but I'm pretty sure it's just whatever platform/time you and the guy you're paired with work out. I know most people were good with xmage.

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>>48762941
MUH nigga

>>48810804
Nice undies.

Esper miracles guy here. Anyone have suggestions for artifact and planeswalker removal in black?

>>48811282
Disenchant. Councils Judgement. Vindicate.

>>48811296
Yeah have council's judgment, I'll be adding disenchant because I'm an idiot and thought it only destroyed enchantments. I'm thinking vindicate costs too much for me in a miracles deck.

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>>48811282
This is pretty good in the mirror.

>>48811282
Vindicate, or Anguished Unmaking for trading hitting lands for instant speed

>>48810804
>loam pox with depths/stage and an umaru deck box
Based

>>48811671
Or maybe it's just a piece of wood you doodled on?

I was hoping you all could help me, I do not play Legacy, it is much too expensive for me and I was not around back in the day to collect the cards, but I love watching it. My question is can someone please explain to me what is the main difference between the Hatebears deck, and Death & Taxes deck?

>>48811774
Hatebears is more agressive with bigger creatures and less land hate. It plays GSZ and Deathrite and is in Junk colors.

DnT is usually mono white - if there is a splash it's very small. It is focused more on mana denial and it plays Aether Vial and Flickerwisp.

>>48811838
Alright, thank you anon, every search I did online just made it cookie cutter different in if you splash or not but did not mention the core difference. But why wouldn't Hatebears run Aether Vial if they are on a more aggro plan?

>>48811949
>But why wouldn't Hatebears run Aether Vial if they are on a more aggro plan?
It takes up deck space and is a dead draw late game. Maverick decks would rather ramp into their creatures with GSZ, DRS, or Heirarch.

Vial is a powerful card, but it has downsides too. It only really shine in decks that
>don't have a lot of other good T1 plays
>can abuse the extra curve by doing other shit with their lands
>have all of their creatures in a few CMCs
>have creatures that benefit from the instant speed

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>>48803320
spotted the non-legacy player.

>>48812206
It's just worse than Eldrazi, there's nothing else too it.

>>48812404
It runs more lock pieces and goes way bigger, and comes with a combo kill

>>48812404
>>48812528
As a miracle deck, I'd rather play against eldrazi, I can win that Matchup. MUD is harder to win. If I was a creature deck I'd rather play against MUD because eldrazi throws out creatures bigger than most in the format early on. They both have ups and downs but I would say MUD is better soley due to the fact that it's been around so much longer and is much more tuned.

>>48812854
Eldrazi puts up way better results though.
MUD is barely even a factor in the meta anymore. Eldrazi is just more aggressive and way more consistent.
I like MUD a lot more, its a significantly more interesting deck than "look how good the creatures I'm going to cast are," but sadly it just doesn't really do much that Eldrazi doesn't also do, while getting to run Cavern of Souls.

Would you cats be interested in some DDFT puzzles? a fun(?) diversion to keep the thread bumped. I have some real game situations I've encountered, and I could probably invent some. I don't think any of them will be super hard, but some might find them difficult.

>>48813600
That would be keen. I'm building ANT and I know nothing about doomsday piles. It may be more challenging than you think.

>>48813792
Alright, I'll give the basic forms for labman and tendrils piles so people with no DDFT knowledge have a shot.
Basic tendrils pile:
[top]
Ideas Unbound
LED
LED
Cantrip
Burning Wish
[bottom]
This pile requires UU plus resources for your cantrip (mana or life) after Doomsday. It produces 5 storm + tendrils. The remaining storm needs to come from spells cast earlier in the turn, ideally Ritual, Doomsday, LED, then a cantrip to draw into your pile.

The basic LabMan piles looks like this:
[top]
Ideas Unbound
LED
Probe
Sensei's Divining Top
LabMan
[bottom]
This pile needs UU1 +2 life or an extra U after Doomsday and can kill through infinite life, Leyline of Sanctity, and other bullshit. Also good if you need to pass the turn.

Most piles are variations on these. Here's a link to my decklist. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-03-16-ddft/
All puzzles will assume we're pre-board unless otherwise noted. Don't forget that Burning Wish can get some handy cards, so pay attention to the board! 1st puzzle coming in another post.

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>>48814370
Pic related. Not all the puzzles will have pics once I get lazy. Also cockatrice isn't showing some of the card art. deal with it.

Note that there are often multiple solutions.
First puzzle:

We know our opponent has no interaction so we're clear to win. We are at 16 life pre-doomsday.
In Hand: doomsday, LED, Ritual.
On field: underground sea, SDT.
What's your pile?

>>48814510
Totally not a Doomsday player, but:

Predict
Laboratory Maniac
Gitaxian Probe
Unearth
Street Wraith

This only costs three mana, which we already have with the LED you crack before resolving DD, and the one land in play.

>>48814740
Last card could be whatever though, doesn't matter at all.

>>48762901
Im out of mtg for around 12 years, has reprints of cllassic expencive cards like black lotus and that free artifact land drop value of oiginal games,also, i gave all my cards()maybe 10000 cards, i think it was called mask of something, was i supid to gave them away, it was filled with rare,foil etc...

>>48814740
>>48814777
Oh fuck, forget I need to cast the Ritual.
In that case:

Ideas Unbound
Lion's Eye Diamond
Gitaxian Probe
Street Wraith
Laboratory Maniac

>>48814911
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-03-16-ddft/
And now I saw your list, I'm actually retarded. Replace the Wraith with a probe then.

>>48814942
yes that will do it. Requires 4 life for those probes though. A storm kill requires only 2 life. Can you figure out the storm kill?

>>48814510
IU, LED, LED, Wish, DD in case we fuck up

>>48815073
Ideas Unbound
LED
LED
Burning Wish
Random card?

>>48814510
>LED into Rit into Doomsday, hold, Crack LED for UUU
Ideas
LED
Git
Git
Labman
>tap top, draw ideas
>cast ideas, U floating
>draw Top, LED, Git
>cast top, LED, Git, hold, crack LED, UUU floating
>draw/cast Git, draw Labman
>slam that shit
>tap top

Did I miss anything?

>>48815146
>>48815161
That's only 18 damage from tendrils. Might be enough but you can get to 20.

>>48815181
That's the labman kill. Making 10 storm costs less life.vTry to figure it out.

>>48815196
Add a probe in there then. Didn't do the math, or assumed opponent was at 18

>>48815227
Damn it man, I was real proud of myself for figuring out just the lab man kill!

>>48815227
RIT, LED, DD, IU, TOP, LED, LED, PROBE, WISH, TENDRILS

>>48815253
Yeah.
[Ideas Unbound, LED, Probe, LED, Wish] will count to Ten Drills. I'll be sure to specify the opponents life total next time.

>>48815227
How are you getting 10 storm from 8 cards, anon? What sort of silly top shenanigans are you pulling?

>>48815443
8 cards + cast top + card you wish for

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Ok puzzle number 2. You guys seem confident, let's make it a bit harder:
Opponent at 20 life, with volcanic island untapped and pyroblast in hand and a smug grin on their face. Your board is pic related. You are at 4 life. Win right now and wipe the smug grin right off.

>>48815501
RIT, DD

PILE: LED, LED LED, PETAL, WISH.

TAP TOP. CAST WISH, CRACKING LED FOR BBB. CAST CRUEL BARGAIN. CAST LED LED PETAL TOP. TAP TOP, CRACK RRRBBB. WISH FOR TENDRILS.

>>48815658
Das it mayne you da real nigga. Note for others reading this solution, tapping top draws you an LED that you have to cast before wish. Just to make it clear.

>>48815717
SI puzzles are harder

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Alright that was a typical pile to beat pyroblast. Not too hard. Let's try something non-standard. Opponent at 20 life and they have lethal on board, but no interaction. You have 10 life. It''s time for them to die. Your board and hand are pic related. Bonus points if your pile could beat removal for the lab man.

>>48812206
He's right though. Results tend to speak for themselves.

>>48815935
RIT, DD

PILE: LED, LED, IU, PETAL , SPHERE

BRAINSTORM. PUT BACK LABMAN THEN IU. LED, LED, PROBE, CRACK UUUUUU, IU, PETAL, SPHERE, LABMAN, CALL JUDGE

>>48815658
>>48815717
Damn, this deck gives me a headache, how do people play multiple rounds of this?
I forgot DD can find cards in your gy, are there some cool tricks you can do with casting a card and DDing it back?

>>48816095
Alternately pass the turn and don't call a judge. No card in magic punishes you.

>>48816124
DOUBLE DD PILES ARE GOOD IF YOU HAVE MANA AND LIFE BUT LACK STORM

>>48816182
Lets talk about that! Puzzle incoming

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>>48816357
Ok. Your opponent has no interaction, but they have 36 life and a Meddling Mage naming Lab Maniac. Board is pic related. Finish them!

>>48816413
Assume you have at least 8 life.

>>48816413
RIT, RIT, LED, LED, DD, BB FLOATING.

IU, LED, WISH, LABMAN, PROBE

CRACK LED FOR UUURRRBB FLOATING. TAP TOP. IU WITH URRRBB FLOATING. WISH FOR MASSACRE, URBB. MASSACRE. LABMAN, R FLOATING. TOP. TAP TOP. PROBE. TAP USEA TO CAST TOP. TAP TOP.

FUCK YOUR DOUBLE DD PILE.

>>48816561
Did I say they had plains? No bitch. Do the storm kill if you're so smart!

>>48816711
IU, LED, LED, DD, WISH. EACH CYCLE PRODUCES AND COSTS 6. REAPEAT AS NECESSARY.

THEN IU, LED, LED, WISH, DD.

>>48816792
Someone knows their doomsday piles.

Alright I'm out of puzzles for now. I might come back later tonight. Hope you enjoyed yourselves.

>>48816896
DECK: SI

HAND: CRUEL BARGAIN, CRUEL BARGAIN, CHROME MOX, SUMMONERS PACT, DARK RITUAL, CULLING THE WEAK, BELCHER.

OPTIMAL FIRST TURN?

>>48817024
What pact targets do I have?

>>48817086
Deathrite, Eternal Witness, dryad arbor, elvish spirit guide

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What's the best Dredge list in your opinion? I know it's a matter of taste, I want to know what you guys think. I only need Iona and the Gemstone Caverns to finish the deck.
Also, I don't understand a few sideboard choices I've seen, such as Lotus Petal and Memory Journey.

>>48817024
If you have dryad arbor you could mox imprint a bargain, pact for arbor, play arbor, cull it, cast belcher and then ritual belch with the pact trigger in the stack next turn. Can we get a decklist so I know what I'm working with? I've never played SI and I haven't seen an up to date list in a while.

>>48817194
Business
1 Slithermuse
2 Goblin Charbelcher
3 Tendrils of Agony
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Infernal Contract
4 Cruel Bargain

Mana
1 Eternal Witness
1 Deathrite
2 Manamorphose
4 Summoner’s Pact
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Lion’s Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Culling the Weak
4 Land Grant
1 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor

>>48817194
That seems pretty risky though because if you flip too few cards off belcher you just lose. But I guess that's the point of the deck?

>>48817194
This is the original version with Pact http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=649&d=207428&f=LE

There's a bunch of different versions though.

>>48817237
I would go Mox, pact for drs,
Mox imprint drs, cruel bargain. Drawing 4 with 8 hits for an arbor, and possibility of hitting more mana for a second bargain seems correct.

>>48817024
Mox, imprint Culling, dark rit, Bargain. Not casting Pact plays around force and leaves more options post bargain, with the possibility of bargaining again.

>>48817431
Yeah except then you have no mana floating and a pact trigger incoming. I think you either go for broke like I suggested or do like >>48817607 says and take the conservative route.

>>48817867
you didn't register SI to play conservatively. balls to the wall.

>>48818415
Actually it does fairly well to grind. >>48817607 sets you up to not lose to force, and have a high chance of going off again. The other suggested lines all lose to a force. >>48817194 loses to Force, Daze or bad flips, but is the safest in that it almost deterministically wins without additional cards.

SI is unlike DDFT in that you are not working with perfect information, so you have to know the odds and play them a lot more. Draw 4's will almost never deterministically win you the game, but you can play to give yourself the highest chance of winning. >>48817607 gives you a high chance to win without leaving yourself dead to anything, so I would probably take that line in the dark. If they have a force, on your next turn 10 cards out of your deck let you fire off a draw 4.

>>48818850
>SI has few deterministic kills
That's honestly the main reason I don't play it. It's objectively the second coolest storm deck after DDFT, but it leaves so much up to chance that I didn't want to commit a lot of time to learning it's intricacies. I ought to pick up the rest of the pieces though in case I want a break from Doomsday but still want a deck that kills with drills.

>>48818979
DDFT not having the ability to jam and see how it goes has always turned me off the deck. ANT is my favorite storm variant because it has the ability to go for a deterministic kills, but can also play the slots. SI is probably the hardest variant to play because of all of the non-deterministic lines you need to know. Its also capable of going off without burning out quite as hard, because ritual into bargain getting forced isn't nearly as bad as getting an internal tutor or IU forced. ANT and DDFT are like bomb diffusal, while SI is like hostage negotiation

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Got another DDFT puzzle here. This is pulled from a match I just played. Names are obscured to protect the privacy of the individuals. This is game 3. The opponent is on mono black pox. The board state is as you see it in pic related. I took 1 turn after this one before I won the game. What do you think I did? I'm not totally sure it was the best play here, but I think it's defensible at least, and it won me the match.

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I'm gonna drop 1 more before I go to bed in case any night owls wander in and are interested. hopefully the thread survives the night.
The Puzzle:
I untapped with the board as you see it. Obviously our opponent's deck is "rogue" to put it nicely. They attacked and then cast Banefire to get me to 2. At any rate, there is no possibility of interaction, but there is a pesky Chalice @ 0 on the board, or I would have won already. Probably should have boarded in Abrupt Decay, but you don't need one to kill here. What's the play?

>>48819311
Pass the turn lab man pile makes sense here.

>>48820068
Rit, rit, DD,

IU, RIT, RIT, TOP, WISH, LED, TENDRILS

>>48820068
RIT, RIT, Doomsday. (Storm 3)

[Pile]
Ideas Unbound
Lotus Petal
Ritual
Ritual
Burning Wish

Tap top to draw Ideas
Cast Brainstorm, putting back LED-Top. (Storm 4)
Crack Petal for U, cast Ideas. (Storm 5)
Play Top off of B, Tap Top to Draw Wish (Storm 6)
Cast Burning Wish for Tendrils off of B+R from Badlands (Storm 7)
RIT, RIT, Tendrils (Storm 10)

Unless I fucked up somewhere, that should be the Storm kill. Pretty difficult puzzle.

>>48820700
Chalice 0

>>48820514
I believe works

>>48820700
How'd you cast the petal?

>>48820730
>>48820739
Sonnuva bitch.

>>48820514
To elaborate,

Tap all your mana for RUUB.

Ritual, ritual, (RUUBBBBB), Doomsday(RUUBB) 3 storm

Pile: IU, RIT, RIT, Wish, irrelevant

Tap top. Cast IU (4 storm, RBB), 2 rituals(6 storm, RBBBBBB)

Cast top(storm 7, RBBBBB) Tap top. Cast Wish (storm 8, BBBB). Cast LED (9). Cast Tendrils (10)

http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/en48bJZLEc
Checking in, gonna leave it open for a while longer. Rules are pretty simple, contact your partner and agree on a platform, report back on the results, then come post match reports.

>>48821503
You're CoffeeHangover, I presume?

>>48821503
I'm away from my laptop for a couple days ago, should I sign up now or sign up later?

>>48821585
That's the name, don't wear it out
>>48821592
not sure when we'll fire, when do you think you'll be back?

>>48821947
>That's the name, don't wear it out
Alright, I'm Prism. You like Xmage or Cockatrice? Personally I'd prefer Cockatrice since I've never used Xmage (I have it downloaded and an account set up, though). Can't really play tonight, but I could probably play tomorrow at some point, maybe around 9 EST or something?

>>48821947
Not sure when I'll be back hopefully within 2-3 days

>>48821992
I haven't used either, more of an Untap guy, but I can learn the basics tomorrow, around 9 EST sounds fine to me.
>>48822255
Might be too late, feel free to join the next one though.

If this goes well we can do one every week maybe, I'm thinking open it to join Friday, leave open over the weekend and lock matches on monday, then give people the whole week to finish their matches, and repeat until we have no one left in the thread.

I'm not sure what the best way to confirm match results are though, I might make a throwaway gmail each participant can send results to, that way I can confirm with both players, otherwise the players could don trips matching their challonge name and confirm like that.

>>48822558
Great. We'll work out the specifics at 9 then. Setting up trips might be the best way to do it. Just have each pair recognize their trips before the game and check in in the thread (they can confirm each others' trips through PM on challonge or in game) and then the winner posts results or something.

Death and Taxes player here, some questions for other players

How has new Thalia been? For me, she's been strictly OK. Never great, always slow.

I'm seeing a lot of lists with a factory in a land slot. I'm thinking of trying a ghost quarter in that slot, does that seem good to anyone else?

>>48823002
ghost quarter is high variance, it'll be clutch occasionally but mostly just tap for colorless mana. factory avoids certain things like lilianna and terminus (maybe). With that said, it seems worth trying at least. Peeps will not see it coming when you quarter their only basic land

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dead-already/

Havent played magic in a while, how would this hold up? Best I could make out of the cards I have

Also considering making a Blue Black variant

>>48824380
Pretty bad, hence why nobody responded first I guess. I'll level with you son, Zombie Tribal is really too slow for Legacy.

But if you want to persist, you need more disruption, 4x Cabal Therapy is probably what you want to get first, and most likely 4x Mutavault for additional pressure.

My advice though, is to start over and look at established archetypes first, and compare your list with those.

>>48823002
Quarter really depends on your meta. In my LGS it's pretty nice over the Factory just because of how greedy the other players' land bases are. I'd say stick with the factory for a stock list but watch your meta closely.

>>48820843
Yeah dude that seems like it works. Best part is its totally different from my pile. I killed with a labman pile:
Rit, rit, doomsday off the badlands (BB floating).
Pile: IU, island, Lab maniac, 2 irrelevant cards.
Tap top to draw IU. Cast it to draw top, labman, island. Make your land drop. Cast labman off island and floating bb. Brainstorm with 2 cards in deck to win.

>>48820514
>pass the turn lab man pile makes sense
Yeah. A pass the turn pile here requires no lands or cards in hand so it's great against pox. but there's a trick to it. If the opponent makes a land drop next turn, cursed scroll can kill the lab maniac. So here's what I did. Burning wish, crack LED for BBB, doomsday.
Pile: LED, iu, Led, probe, manaic.
Pass turn. Opponent makes the land drop and passes. I draw led, crack for UUU, tap top, cast IU, draw LED, probe, too. Cast LED, top, probe, crack LED for UUU, cast Labman, and the PASS THE TURN AGAIN. This way I can respond to removal with top. My opponent tanked for about 5 minutes, tried to cursed scroll the labman on his turn and I won in response.

Burning Wish reprint in Conspiracy, nice. Any chance the other wishes could make a return?

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>be new in legacy
>All these doomsday puzzles
>mfw
Just wanted to say that the /tg/ legacy community is perhaps one of the nicest magic communities I've come across. You guys rock.

>>48826788
It's much easier to get your head around when you're familiar with the basic piles, the puzzles in this thread are at least a few levels more complex than that.

>>48826788
I did post basic pile forms here >>48814370 if you're interested.

>>48826788
I echo your second sentiment about the people in these threads being cool. there must not be a lot of crossover from the modern thread; that one's just full of anons calling each other retarded or shitposting about esper and mardu.

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>They Madman now
>Fuck the reserved list
New dual lands when?

>>48827240
Imperial Recruiter is not on the reserved list.

Still pretty nice for DnT. It can get Flickerwisp and Spirit of the Labyrinth, and Flickerwisp can activate it again.

Alright, tourney is locked in, contact your opponent. After locking in, or maybe because another person joined the matchups shuffled around.

>>48827304
Oh, and it can't get Painter, so it's not quite the same card.

>>48827325
Oh, I came willing to ask what relevant card this new card would fail to find and i have an answer.

>>48826991
Yo, you still here? I'm matched up with you in the tourney. Xmage or Cockatrice?

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>>48827325
>It can get painter
Nice, less toys for the autists
>Can grab Thalia, SFM, Ethersworn canonist, Containment priest
Perfect

>>48827457
Also grabs Leonin Arbiter, other Thalia, and Crusader

>>48826788
I've been into legacy for a while and I'm pretty bad at dd puzzles. However I'm pretty good at ANT puzzles

KoTR too.

I think it is better than Recruiter in every aspect, sans Painter. It is on color for relevant creatures with small bodies, can be played in DnT shell or other GWx decks.

>>48827367
Yeah I'm here. I'll be using XMAGE I think. I probably won't be available to play until real late tonight (like midnight EST) though.

>>48827240
That card looks absolutely nuts for DnT. Some people were already splashing red to play Recruiter, this card has a better tutor effect and its on color.

>>48827617
Sounds good. I'm a night owl anyways. Never used Xmage before though I have it installed.

>>48827240
>excited for new DnT toy
>don't even play DnT
I'm happy for you taxbros.

He wizards, can I have Mystical Tutor back now?

There's a Burning Wish reprint in Conspiracy 2: Electric Boogaloo. That's neat, I guess.

@steppechild you have a preferred platform? lets find a good time to play

>>48827240
>$100 preorder
calling it right now

>>48827754
I haven't really used it much either so we'll get to have our first time together ;)

>>48827240
holy fucking shit D&T is OP now

>>48828058
For a rare in a large print run set?

>>48829187
I'm guessing it lands as a 2 of, maybe 3-4 in slower lists.

>>48829199
yes

>>48827240
>toughness 2 or less
Is this better or worse?

>>48829593
it gets you exactly what you want
many people are running 3 fat Thalias, can't see this not getting at least as many slots

>>48829650
it's actually better

Guys, ANT player here, but I've been looking to getting a second deck and I'm currently choosing between D&T and Grixis Delver. I've played them both before and enjoy them almost equally. The upsides with D&T is that I'll have two complete decks and can lend a deck to a friend and so on, but I'll have to build the deck from scratch. With Grixis Delver OTOH, I only need ten cards to build it (two volcs, a playset of FoW and Wastelands) and the cards slot into more decks, but I'll only have one deck at one time. I'm completely indecisive about this, someone halp.

>>48829673
I'd say a bit worse fo Soldier Stompy, cant tutor Enlistment Officer. Still, neo THalia tutor offsets that.

>>48829605
Its going to settle around $10-15

>>48829673
Its really slow. People like to try new cards, but so far Big Thalia is too slow as is, and tutoring for her is slowet. This card is good because it gives you virtual extra copies of your other matchup specific threats, but I can't see the deck wanting to jam 4. When you start trimming Stoneforge and Flickerwisp, the deck gets worse.

>>48829650

Considerably better in DnT, most importantly cause it can hit Flickerwisp when recruiter can't.

>>48830154

is hitting flickerwisp that important?

>>48830206
Flickerwisp is one of the best cards in the deck. So yes.

>>48830206
Yes. It's the card that you almost always want to draw.

Can recruiter hit KotR with any lands in your graveyard, or is the effect applied even when not on the battlefield?

>>48830206

Flickerwisp is the best card in DnT after you stablize with three mana (which is a nontrivial condition in Legacy, but still). If you're at the point where you can cast (or vial) a recruiter, Flickerwisp is going to be the target a good 50% of the time.

anyone here play solidarity? im only missing the resets from it, but I'm not sure if they'd be worth it. is it fun? will my opponents be salty?

>>48830332
reset is only like 20 dollars. if you have the rest of the deck already, what's 80 more dollars?

>>48830351
I meant is it worth it in terms of playability? I'd rather not spend time learning a deck and then 0-3 drop.

>>48830476
or if I do lose, will it at least make butts hurt?

>>48830476
Solidarity really isn't a deck anymore. It's fun, though, but high tide is just better.

>>48830476
Not really, kinda obsolete in face of Candelabra/High Tide. Sorry m8

>>48830530
>>48830521
thanks. I just thought it might be fun for a backup deck since it's not too much money for me to finish it.

>>48830476
Spiral tide is probably better, but of you get good with solidarity i'm sure you'll win some matches.

>>48828291
Wow DDFT Guy-sama, that's lewd.

>>48830606
beat. that's all I'm really looking for. going off in response to lethal just seems cool to me.

>>48829896
Finish grixis. It offers more variety and you can likely persue DnT anyway once your wallet recovers. You cant fool me, I know you don't have any friends.

>>48830294
Yes,the kotr says 2/2 in the corner. Literally, that's how you can tell

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>>48829896
DnT will be soon Queen of the meta

>>48831909
>>48831909
>>48831909

New bread.

>>48830606
Is high tide even viable anymore though? I think it looks cool, but I never see it.