EDH/Commander general

>>48637799
We need to find a replacement for magiccards.info.

It still shows Khans and Fate Reforged as Standard-legal, and two weeks later Eldritch Moon still isn't on it.

Post your favorite deck and that deck's theme song.

Maelstrom Wanderer
>Momil Ramo by Iqbal Jogi
https://youtu.be/SGT6R8P_rl4

Yes, I feel like a telepathic snake charmer. The whole deck is about value and double dropping bombs with Maelstrom that I can tutor to the top before both cascade triggers, or after the first one hits.

>>48637868
They don't have Eternal Masters either. Their card images are so much better than anything else though, that's the main reason I use them

Hello friends I'm still looking for feedback on this turbocasual deck I've been refining. The only other people that see it are my playgroup and I've gotten as many opinions as I can from them

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/might-of-the-triggers-1/

>>48637896
Oh, I've loved them for years because their client is silky smooth, their advanced search page is easy to use, and it runs quick. But it consistently lags weeks behind on new sets, and it's been getting worse and worse. There's got to be an alternative.

>>48637894
I feel like I'm cheating here because all of my decks are named after songs or bands.

Because I decided to name all my decks like they were 「 S T A N D S 」.

>>48637894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwzMuuGOsVI

Godo. I either kill the table in one turn or die a horrible death

>>48637909
My only trouble with the advanced search is that try as I might, I can't get it to search multiple types as an "or" figure, like instant OR sorcery. That's probably because I'm retarded though

>>48637894
Decks I actually have built right now
>Treva Enchantress Pillowfort/Superfriends
「 S A F E T Y D A N C E 」
>Trostani lifegain/big tokens
「 S T A Y I N ' A L I V E 」
>Mizzix spellslinging, no storm
「 G R A N D M A G U S 」
>Ruric Thar all dudes
「 T H E T A L K I N G H E A D S 」
>Gitrog lands
「 N O T E A S Y B E I N G G R E E N 」
>Reaper King Clone tribal
「 D O U B L E V I S I O N 」

Decks in progress
>Ghave Saproling tribal
「 M U S H R O O M S A M B A 」
>Vela Unblockables
「 D A N C I N G I N T H E D A R K 」
>Ojutai winter-themed
「 F R E E Z E F R A M E 」

>>48637970
Care to post lists?

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Rolled 10 (1d12)

Alright, I've got 6 lists kinda shat out, lets see which one I'm gonna build first

>1/7 WBG Anafenza
>2/7 Sidisi Zombie Tribal
>3/9 Selvala Enchantress
>4/10 Treva the Renewer color hate
>5/11 Karrthus Dragon Tribal
>6/12 Sun Quan Mono-Blue Bullshit

>>48638014
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/s-a-f-e-t-y-d-a-n-c-e-1/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/s-t-a-y-i-n-a-l-i-v-e/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/d-o-u-b-l-e-v-i-s-i-o-n/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-h-e-t-a-l-k-i-n-g-h-e-a-d-s/

I haven't put Mizzix or Gitrog onto Tappedout yet

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/f-r-e-e-z-e-f-r-a-m-e/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/m-u-s-h-r-o-o-m-s-a-m-b-a/

>>48637894
Volrath, The Fallen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkOJ9uNj9EY

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>>48637894
I have a Bear Tribal EDH deck with Kamahl, fist of Krosa as my commander


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VG4z2L93ik

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>guy in my playgroup has had nothing but an Animar for over a year
>really enjoys EDH when he plays
>he and I buy our own boxes of SOI and EDM when they release
>pulls alot of good stuff
>finally gets that RG wolf legendary guy, not a great card but he's been wanting to do a wolf tribal for awhile
>encourage him to begin work on it
>2 weeks pass and ask him how it's been going
>hasn't worked on it at all
>FTV: Lore is spoiled
>he wants to get it mainly for Memnarch
>so he can put it in his Animar

What do I do, /edh/?

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Why is this card not banned?

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>>48637894
>Triple Digit life
>At least 20 +1/+1
>Hexproof, Indestructable, Vigilance, and all other kinds of fun auras

I'M FUCKING INVINCIBLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SevR3wSypQ8

>>48638105
I don't know but I'm ordering one now.

>>48638098
I mean, as long as he keeps updating it I suppose it's fine. Better than using the same, unchanged deck for years

>>48638117
He has enough cards at this point though that he could probably build two decent other decks. He hardly ever plays standard. I don't know what his problem is.

>>48637742
>>48637438
Weird unique lines of play that have all been done to death. The nice thing about having an efficient boring general like Jenara and Anafenza is it gives you a bit more freedom to do jank, as you at least have a decent creature to block and attack as a fallback when your trash deck concept didn't work out.

Like, say I want to make Abzan Constellation.dec. None of the 5 general fit. Sure, I could pick Doran or Karador as the cards themselves are more interesting, but people will always ask "oh, it is a Doran deck, why aren't you running blah?" or worse, you'll gradually start to cut away from your initial concept.

Plus, for something janky like Constellation, you want to have a creature on the field to get your effects, well, you don't want a cmc 6 general as your fallback.

That's why I support "boring" generals. I built a Bant deck based on populating token copies I make using spells like Suppant Form. No general fits that. I could go Roon, as a lot of effects that synergize with populating synergize with Roon, but Roon is 5 mana, paints a target on my back, gives people the wrong idea of the deck and when I need a creature turn 3 to block because I drew all my populate but no token makers, I don't have him.

Janky scrubby EDH, accept the boring general! The real jank is in your heart, not in your commander!

>>48638131
If he's like me he really hates building decks. I have 5 different decks and it takes me about a month to actually build them just because I find it tedious

>>48638135
Dude, Karador enchantress is fun as shit with the Constellation dudes.

>>48638141
For me it's a comes-and-goes inspiration thing. I'll sit on the decks I have just making minor tweaks as sets come out for like a year because nothing interests me, and then a single card inspires me to actually build a new deck.

>>48638161
It was just an example. Especially if you want to not have a graveyard component, allowing you to run, Planar Void, Ground Seal (though, that doesn't affect Karador, does it), Rest in Peace.

Plus, you won't need slots devoted to filling your yard.

Is Riku of the Two Reflections a good deck for the Timmy who loves big creatures and the Johnny who loves big combos?

>>48638192
It lets you do big dumb things twice, what do you think?

>>48638037
Looking good, you have Realms Uncharted in Gitgud Frog? I've always wanted to make a deck with Realms but never really had a good opportunity.

how did Gaea's Herald not make the cut in creatures.dec? Where is your Craterhoof

>>48638204
Big dumb things twice means....TWO CRATERHOOF BEHEMOTHS

>>48638206
I do, because that card is just stupid. Tutor for 2 good lands, and get a Gitrog draw on top of it.

Gaea's Herald isn't there because I didn't think of it. I think I like Shusher better, and there's not enough counters in my area to need both.

I intentionally left out Craterhoof because I don't like it.

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Is this a good upgrade both card-wise and price-wise for my Daxos deck? I cut Wrath of God to save money. (The kraken is for a Kiora casual brew involving Ula's Temple)

>>48638192
As a Timmy, I avoid generals that are "answer this or die" because it tends to ruin my experience. You end up being bummed out because you can never do that cool thing you built the deck for.

>>48638308
Kinda the same for me. I like my decks to function better WITH the commander than without, but if the deck literally falls apart without the commander then it's not fun for me.

>>48638308
Can Riku still win with the value and big creatures in the deck though or is he typically the reason you win with the deck?

So has anyone played this deck? How is it? I'm considering using it but if its better to build from scratch even on a budget then i won't bother.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-commander-20-plunder-the-graves-upgrade

Any good x cost red/green spells for mina and den?

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>mfw reading through the current Standard meta
Oh boy am I glad I got out

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>>48638135
>The real jank is in your heart
You brightened my day, Anon.

>>48637894

Karametra
>Gehrman, The First Hunter's theme from Bloodborne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
Grows incredibly strong as the match progresses, landfall triggers going nuts, mild group hug and then blow out when it's only me and one of my mates left.

Anafenza, The Foremost
>Duel of Fates

Nekusar
>How Soon is Now by The Smiths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OztC_7nkAd8
Incredibly Chill game until the Chaos or Draw engine comes out.

>>48638372
Clan Defiance, Savage Twister.

Or did you mean red OR green? In that case:

Comet Storm, Fall of the Titans (maybe), Volcanic Geyser, Fault Line, Ravaging Blaze, Squall Line, GSZ, Chord of Calling

>>48637938
(t:"instant" or t:"sorcery")

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How often do you play additional format modifiers like 2HG, Emperor, Planechase, or Archenemy?

>>48638607
>2HG
Not very often, but I'm not sure why. I might pitch that at the shop tomorrow.

>Emperor
It's been a while, because 6 man games already take forever. Emperor games either take a million years and then just kinda collapse in the span of 2 or 3 turns, or one of the Emperors combos off while nobody can touch him and it ends in 10 boring minutes.

>Planechase
Almost every single week.

>Archenemy
Bout once or twice a month.

>>48638607
I really want to do Archenemy as my deck is perfect to be the douchebag. Unfortunately no one in my group wants to play it

>>48638331
You can still win. After all, it is Temur. But it doesn't feel all that Timmy. You don't get to do anything cool, it just ends up good stuff.

>>48638285
Bump lads

>>48638662
My favorite way to do Archenemy is to just shuffle up my whole fat-ass stack of Schemes, and deal them out to each player. Everyone gets to be the Archenemy.

Hilariously, this is in the fucking COMPREHENSIVE RULES, under the variant name "Supervillain Rumble" and I am not making that up.

>>48638607
We do mass planechase every once in a while. It is usually frustrating. You really need the right kind of playgroup for it.

>>48638690
That sounds magnificent.

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>>48638607
I really got my friends into Horde Magic as a side format to test out their new decks in a Co-Op format. I've made several Horde decks since then and have started on a Horde Magic Blog to cover the format.
We also did Planechase a few times which everyone agreed was fun, although we never played much of it.

at my LCS we played a lot of 2HG and Emperor. My favorite Emperor game was the time I was the Guard. I attacked the King very early on with some 1/1s and managed to bluff the Traitors and Assassins into trying to kill each other. Each thought the other was the guard because no sane guard would attack the king if that was their way to win, right?
Eventually I managed to kill two other players before one of the assassins took the King and I out.

>>48638669
Can you recommend me any Timmy Johnny decks with cool combos and big creatures?

>>48638607
We do, however I'm the only one with a deck really capable of being the archenemy. It doesn't really work when the archenemy's deck summons 1/1 saprolings and needs everyone to leave him alone to go off

>>48638285
Yes, that's a pretty good start to upgrading from the precon. The questionable cards from that list I'd cut would be: Agent of Erebos, Campaign of Vengeance, Doom Blade, Duress, Skybind, and Ultimate Price

Agent, Doomblade, Duress, and Ult Price are somewhat narrow in what they do but ofc it all depends on your meta and the people you typically play against.

Campaign of Vengeance I don't see working, you gotta do REALLY wide to make the effect worth it specially with how much mana it costs.

Skybind is straight up a bad card. There are a shitton of other options for repeatable blink. Fucking 5 mana for a really conditional trigger.

>>48638752
I don't think you and the guy you quoted mean the same thing by "Emperor". It sounds like your version is like Bang/Kingdoms, where there's secret "roles".

The way I've always known Emperor is two teams of three; each team has an Emperor in the middle, and a General on either side. The Generals have a range of influence of only 1 seat, so they can only interact with the General across the table from them, and their own Emperor (until they kill the opposing General, then they can affect the opposing Emperor). The Emperors have a range of influence of 2, so they can interact with both of their own Generals, and both the enemy Generals, but not the enemy Emperor until one of their Generals falls.

IT also uses the "Deploy creatures" option, which gives the ability "{T}: Target teammate gains control of this creature. Activate only anytime you could cast a sorcery" to all creatures.

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Your commander gets Nevermore'd. Is your deck now useless?
This is my Gisa deck's worst nightmare

>>48638820
I think Doom Blade is good enough to leave in until you can slot in Hero's Downfall, but I agree on Ultimate Price.

Duress is a shit card in Commander.

>>48638838
Nah, I just lose some steam until I can blow it up.

why are you not running the colorless answers to Nevermore

>>48638838
Considering 25% of my deck is board wipes I'd be fine.

>>48638832
Yeah, I meant something different than that. We called it Usurper, not Bang or Kingdoms. I got confused because we called the King either King or Emperor, depending on the person you were playing with.

I think we played one game of Emperor which fizzled because the EDH players were also playing in FNM games so they only had enough time for one round.

>>48638838
I counter it and rev for 15

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>>48637894
>deck
Reanimator

>song
>Reanimator by Splendora

>>48638888
Emperor is... I wouldn't recommend it unless you trust your group not to be shitheads. Since the Emperors themselves can't be interacted with (barring a Mindslaver effect or something) until one of their Generals goes down, it's really easy for the Emperor to just pick a combo deck and set up to go nuclear without anyone being able to disrupt it at all. I'd recommend only playing with people you trust not to be shitty, and/or having people pick their decks before you randomly assign the teams.

Is it better to build mono color, dual color or tri color for my first edh deck? I do not have a lot of deck building except in sealed events so I usually do mono or dual.

>>48638913
I played Roon of the Hidden Realm as one of the Lieutenants and my opponent kept a two land hand. He gave up after like turn 5 of no lands.

I would not mind playing Emperor again but there are so many people who just bring in combo decks for EDH that it's hardly fun. What would be really nice is finding 3 others to play regularly with, just to keep my teammates up to date in their deck building. One of them built Zur as a shitty Wizard Tribal deck rather than just reading Zur and realizing there's only one way to play it.

>>48638965
Probably Mono Colored.

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How many decks do you play this in?

>>48638965
Dual colour.
The mana base isn't too hard to sort out, and 2 colours gives you a lot more flexibility (good luck removing enchantments as mono black)

>>48638965
I'd say start out with a single color or two colors. Three colors is when your manabase and card choices start to get really complicated. The two-color or mono color precon decks are a good start if any of those commanders appeal to you.

>>48638986
None because I got Karn.

>>48638986
Only Karn, otherwise it's usually too expensive. That and Disk are pretty much my only outs to stuff like >>48638838

>>48638986
None because it's too expensive.

>>48639040
This.

>>48638986
I've got it in Keranos. It's actually better than Karn in UR since you've got all sorts of copy and recursion options for an Instant that you haven't got for Karn.

>>48639005
>>48639010
>>48638981

Thanks for the help. I will try both, maybe find one mono and one dual and see how it goes. Do y'all have any recommendations for a fun general?

>>48639058
Mind telling us what playstyle you enjoy?

>>48638838

>Roon
Oh no, I just have to rely on Brago, Eldaddy Displacer, Mistmeadow and Conjurer's Closet or just fucking nuke it with my large amount of artifact and enchantment hate

>Melek
HAHA EAT MY STORM COCK

>>48638986
Mizzix loves this thing

>>48639058
Saffi Eriksdotter is a good example of a dual colour general in good colours that is easy to build for, fun, and interactive.

For mono colour I'd suggest Kiki-Jiki for the same reason, though he'd be more difficult to build and play because of the limiting colour.

>>48639071
I like aggro and synergy, and combo like Affinity and Elves in Modern/Legacy. So basically cheating/comboing a big creature like Craterhoof Behemoth in and beating face., or using synergy between cards to make everything come together. If that makes sense

>>48638838
Pretty much, actually, yeah. For ALL of my decks, even.
Shit, I should fix that.

>>48639111
Saffi is really all that? I saw her and thought she could be fun but did not see how to abuse her mechanic. And I love G/W so that works for me.

>>48638838
>Roon of the Hidden Realm
Nah, I've got tutors and removal ETBs that I can use to remove it.
>Experiment Kraj
Don't need it to combo out but it wastes an opponent's card to stop what they think is the win con
>Archangel Avacyn
It hurts but the deck isn't crippled, there's some removal for it.
>Dralnu, Lich Lord
Probably going to counter that or bounce then counter
>Arcades Sabboth
I'd laugh considering the deck is just a tribute to EDH and it's also Bant Enchantress.

>>48638407
I meant red green and rg my bad but thanks these are very good.

>>48638838
Naw, I run Ertai the corrupted for his colors and the 1 out of 20 games I do cast him it's just because Bitterblossom + Platinum Emperion + All my tax effects means resolving a spell is pretty much impossible.

List if anyone is curious (some of you may have seen it in an older thread):
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ertais-wild-ride/

>>48638768
My recommendation is to find and think of big creatures and fun combos you want to run first and then go from there.

As I said earlier, boring generals do give you a bit of freedom.

Here, which of these scenarios seems fun to you?

Casting Scapeshift with Rampaging Baloths in play.

Casting Thromok with Pandemonium on the field.

Exiling all drakes you control with Mass Polymorph, revealing 5 Sphinxes.

Drawing 8 cards card using River Kelpie, a Gravecrawler and a sac outlet and zombie.

Casting Blasphemous Act with Tarmanoa in play.

>>48639133
Not super abuseable, other than a couple of combos with Karmic Guide, Reveillark et al.

She's basically just removal protection, but you can have fun with her if you let her go to the graveyard instead of the command zone and run a good green recursion package with stuff like Genesis.

She's super easy to build for someone new, but has a pretty high skill ceiling if you're good at magic.

>>48638629

plane chase and archenemy are unbearable

>>48639167
Mass Polymorph scenario

Thromok with Pandemonium/Scapeshift with Rampaging Baloths


Those are the top three that I think are fun.


>>48639183
Well that sounds like fun though. I like high ceiling for skill and seems like fun if she has a couple of combos.

I suddenly feel like doing giant sea monster tribal.

primal surge worth it?

>>48639245
I did that. You can run Reseach the Deep and other nonsense. Tromokratis as the general. Good luck.

>>48639242
If you like combos, you can go full on combo with her too
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217012-saffi-eriksdotter-and-friends

>>48639258
It's definitely worth it but it's hard to slot it into a preexisting deck. You really do have to build around it.

>>48639285

I've seen some hilariously stupid shit with blue Braids too.

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How many lands should I run in my Brion Stoutarm Deck?

How many mana rocks?

>>48638986
Currently none, but that's because none of the decks I run need it right now. If I were to build a mono deck or something that had specific trouble with a permanent type due to colors, I'd possibly throw that in. That, or Spine, depending on whether the deck uses artifacts or not.

>>48639258
Eeeeeh. I don't like it, because either it whiffs hard, you win right there (I don't like "win all at once" cards), or you die to a Wrath the next turn.

>>48639382
I usually use ~40 lands as a starting point when hashing out a deck, and adjust it as necessary.

/edhg/, what other ways are there to look at peoples hands in U/W other than Telepathy and Glasses of Urza? I'm brewing an Isperia the Inscrutable deck and need some advice on how to maximize her effect.

>>48639595
gitaxian probe

>>48639595
Bounce permanents to their hand before hitting them.

>>48639595
Spy Network is a personal favourite of mine

>>48638607
planeschase happens every once and a while. Group doesn't particularly like it as it has a tendency to become one sided.

>Start game on Selesnya
>Trostani player goes first, rolls chaos plays Luminarch ascenion
>By their next turn they start spawning angels
>stuck on Selesnya for four turns
>Game over

>>48639821
One of the stupidest starts we had was everyone keeps their hands, we've already seen who's going first, and we flip over the first plane. It's Naya! A great early plane, lets people get started super fast.

The mono-black Rat Tribal deck (yes, it was Relentless Rats.dec) breaks into a shit-eating grin. He plays, one at a time, looking like he's about to have a seizure from pure joy, seven swamps, and then a Nightmare. Like he's usually smug, but I had never seen him this smug ever before, or ever since.

Next player played a plains and a Swords to Plowshares.

>>48639595
aside from the answers you already have alhammaret isn't an awful option in isperia. Jace the mindsculptor and other fateseal effects work to a lesser extent and the jankest way to help you out is with clash

>>48639702
Other than this, anything repeatable?

>>48639660
>>48639760
>>48639962
These are all fine answers, but I was hoping for more repeatable effects. Does any anon here run Isperia 1.0?

>>48640069
I had a list for it, that's why my suggestion was to bounce, as it is much more likely to be useful.

More suggestions:
Conundrum Sphinx
Dakra Mystic
Field of Dreams
Lantern of Insight
Wandering Eye
Wizened Snitches
Zur's Weirding

But I really don't recommend going full hog on this. Bounce is much more useful.

>>48640069
>>48640145
Oh and the Planeswalker's X cycle could be fun and janky.

>>48640145
>But I really don't recommend going full hog on this. Bounce is much more useful.
Agreed. But I want a healthy mix, and two cards isn't enough for that. I was looking for about 4, which is what I've got now, thanks to you. Many thanks, anon.

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Choose one.

>>48640226
Greaves.

>>48640226
Mom. Though I don't run her in anything. I just am so fucking tired of greaves. Also, none of my commanders need the haste, really. As for the shroud, surely there is something better for that, right?

>>48640203
Have fun, man. She's a great gen. By the way, I literally looked up all the cards in the colors that say "reveal". I didn't bother with "look at".

>>48637894
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eZmEj2Mgmzw

The deck has alot of creepy looking cards in it and revolves around the fears people have, music itself is very eerie so I feel like it complements the deck

>>48640385
Your post just struck an idea with me. I wanna build an Alice in Wonderland deck now.

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>>48640413
>>48640385
I just realized I forgot to post my commander

>>48640413
I feel like you'd run out of cards in a hurry, though. There's like, a dozen characters in that story.

>>48640446
yeah, probably would. Unless I just look at the dozen side characters, and find cards that just fit the theme of the psychadelic world. Got any thoughts on what commander could fit the role of Alice? I was thinking Narset, in her lore it said she had ADHD, sounds like Alice to me

>>48640478
Autism, actually.

>>48640489
For Alice?

>>48640500
No, Narset has autism, not ADHD.

>>48640514
Ahhhh, wait, was that actually confirmed?

>>48640525
http://dougbeyermtg.tumblr.com/post/112727174244/hi-doug-reading-the-new-uncharted-realms-i-felt

>Tarkir denizens might not have a term for the autism spectrum or being neurodivergent or neuro-atypical, but those terms would correctly describe her.

>>48640555
Well rock me Amadeus. I think I am going to build Narset now.

>>48640478
Any temur commander would probably fit the role for an Alice in Wonderland theme deck.

Alice could be something like Melira, Azusa, or Jhoira, Jaya Ballard as the Red Queen, Momir Vig for Mad Hatter, Giant Caterpillar, Sphinx Ambassador for Chesire Cat.

>>48640555

That's interesting. I appreciate how Alesha and Narset are pretty nonchalant in their depictions rather than Creative trying to shove it in our faces.

>>48640595
Be prepared to face immense amounts of hate once you show her as your commander

>>48640624
Meanwhile you have 4chan literally frothing at the mouth because they made a black female character the focal point of a story two days ago.

>>48637894
Zada
>Mulan-I'll make a man out of you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64

Turning puny 1/1's into manly 15/15 double strike tramplers.

>>48640385
>>48640440
Post list? I want to make my Gitrog deck creepier.

>>48640664
>manly 15/15 double strike tramplers
What how

I've never gotten them that high before, what's your list?

>>48640651
They also lost their shit about Alesha

>>48640597
Which is good for me since I love Temur. Probably Wanderer. The randomness of not knowing what you will get fits the Wonderland theme. And Jhoira will be the Alice. Just gotta get her altered now

>>48640626
I am prepared for the hate. If I can win a 1v3 then I feel good.

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>>48637894
Daretti that uses artifact ramp to cast mass field wipe spells.
Five stars-atom bomb baby
>mfw clearing the board of mass token spawns, land ramp, planeswalker control,pillow forts, preparations of infinites,etc.

>>48638838
>green Ezuri
yes, but I have a lot of enchantment removal
>Feldon
no, but it's a huge pain in the ass and now it's just a mono-red fatties deck
>Kraj and Meren
enchantment removal not highly prevalent but the deck works alright without them
>Jhoira
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

>>48640726
I was exaggerating a bit, but with Brute Strength, Brute Force, Titan's Strength, Rush of Adrenaline, and a Reckless Charge I could get a 1/1 to be a 15/7 Double strike Trample. I think the highest finite damage I've swung for in a game was 650ish.

Here's the list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zada-deck-grinder/

>>48638838
Curiously the older my deck is the better it can handle getting Nevermored.

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>>48640912
>Brute Force
>Titan's Strength
>Reckless Charge

I'm sort of annoyed that I know Narset would catch so much hate at my tables, even though my regular opponents do shit like Infect decks and Selvala + "win immediately if your life's over 40" cards.

>>48640948
Umm, that's kind of what Zada does? You run janky combat tricks to get huge damage with tokens that you've generated. You also run any targeted cantrips, because they draw you a ton of cards.

>>48640651
She doesn't even seem like the main character. She's at the bidding of Marchesa.

People will get mad at anything. Whether it's Gay kings on theros, a transgender Khan, or just a black woman doing something crazy in a set about crazy backstabbing.

>>48640994

Anonymity + an audience = assholes

>>48640993
Oh shit, ZADA.

For some reason I thought you had an Alesha deck, fuck me running. Yeah no, that makes way more sense.

>>48640741
Alesha is Bae.

>>48640948
Only chumps pay more than 1 mana for their overruns.

>>48640994
Well, she's a Planeswalker, so we'll see more of her, in theory. Marchesa's a big lore figure for Fiora, but she's kinda... only on Fiora. Kaya is a Planeswalker, so Wizards can use her over and over in other settings.

>>48641015
Close! The full formula for John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory is

Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total Fuckwad

>>48641023
I also have an Alesha deck, lol. I don't run any pump spells though.

>>48641055
But Conspiracy is kind of separate. Did Dack ever go anywhere after Conspiracy? He pissed off Sorin once, but I think that's it. Daretti was introduced and killed in the same set, as well. I don't think she'll be a big player, especially with the gatewatch around.

>>48641108
Dack's heading into the Theros Underworld right now.

>>48641135
Just think about it. The greatest heist in the multiverse for the greatest thief in the multiverse.

Gotta get our favorite Sun back.

>>48641163
Magic the Gathering: Payday

>>48641163
Dack's will get best white waifu back just in time for Phyrexian invasion

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Just finished my Reaper King deck and my Brago deck is coming in the mail. Time to blink everything for insane value

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>>48641349
Somebody call for great white waifu?

>>48638838
>Sidisi, brood tyrant
If I can get a few triggers off first, Ill be fine. I end up saccing her off most games anyway. Otherwise, itll slow me down a bit, but I still got plenty of options

>Lazav
Pretty much no effect, he is just gravy in a deck that abuses my opponents field and graveyard

>Dromoka, the eternal
Itll fuck up some dragon synergies, but again, wont hurt much as shes just another source of counters for the deck

>Xenagos
Fugg, rip all my speed. Might be able to just stomp over with fatties, but Ive lost a bunch of momemtum

>>48641108
Dack was the protagonist of the IDW comics.

I'm new to the format and struggling to pick a Commander. I'm hoping to find something that's fun to play and has some variance so it's not doing exactly the same thing every game. I thought the Gitrog looked neat but he appears to primarily just enable an infinite combo by way of cycling your deck for three hours.

>>48641363
>Reaper king
Mah Scarecrow.

>>48641481
Gitgud does open himself up for some crazy long turns, but you can just decide that's not what you want to do and edge away from that.

>>48639871
That's great, I can just see the joy draining out of his face. Bonus points if he's a little kid.

>>48641163
I really want this to be the plot of return to theros. I think it'd be really neat to see Dack interacting with the gods.

>>48641575
Nope. 30 year old manchild who cheats almost every game and still can't win.

>>48640310
>As for the shroud, surely there is something better for that, right?

Swiftfoot?

>>48641680
I'm thinking more along the lines of Priveledged Position.

>>48641363
Every time someone builds a 5 color my heart hurts a little more, but espically when its reaper. I hope to have the funds to afford a good mana base to build him one day, but each completed deck makes it cost just a little more and become a little less attainable.

>>48641610
We used to have a guy in our group. Every game it was turn 4 Sorin Markov. Every game. It wasn't even that Good of a play!

>>48639382
Hey man. I am glad you are still working on the brion deck. Next time I see my friends for edh is monday night. So if you want I can get my friends Brion decklist and post it tuesday for ya.

>>48640994
>>48641015
No one cares about that shit. They care about getting it crammed down their throat.

>>48640226
greaves

i've always thought that that like 33% of the utility of the greaves comes from the haste

>>48641930
I'd love to see this too, Brion is a deck I've been musing over and slowly accumulating pieces for for a while, but it seems like a deck that requires more acceleration than RW can provide. It'd have to be mana rock city to work

>>48642133

But that didn't happen. A character with black skin showed up and these threads started making racial slurs.

Guys, I feel like it's possible to actually play this game correctly and you're really not doing it.

I'm sorry, but I'll not be coming back to this board.

I'm working on building a Science! Deck which includes creators and their creations, the problem is finding a commander that fits multiple colors, primarily red blue black. It looks like mishra or sydri are the only commanders that fit the bill, but I'm not looking for a artifact primary deck.

>>48642270
I literally have no idea what this post is about. What do you guys think?

>>48642472
I think he's mad that Nic Cage didn't keep the Declaration of Independence after he stole it.

>>48642510
Which is bull. Nic earned that shit.

>>48642133
What about any of those examples was crammed doen anyone's throat? Guardians of Meletis was flavor text. Narset's Autism was confirmed after Her story was finished. Alesha's trangender-ness was a plot point, and people opposed it in lore, saying she was just a boy.

Where was the shoving?

>>48642563

Narset and Alesha also both being instances where you'd never know about it if you didn't go looking for story/character details outside of the cardgame.

>>48639183
>not super abusable
Literally the key piece to my Sisay combo deck, required by all but 2 or 3 of the combos. She can do shit nothing else can.

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>>48642563
Fantasy is fine the way it is. The Lord of the Rings doesn't need 'queering'. Le Motre D'Arthur didn't suffer for its lack of wheelchair-bound Polynesian lesbians. Magic doesn't need Bruce Jenner as a character in order to be good. Fantasy is by definition an escape from reality and its politics and problems. The last thing we want is to be constantly reminded of the real world whilst casting lightning bolts at each other.
Leftists always ruin everything upon which they are allowed to impose their values. We've seen it happen in Hollywood, in video games, and in in fine art, and we don't want it here. Just let us play wizard wars in peace, and leave us alone.

>>48642840
Yeah, you're real fucking persecuted.

>>48642840
Fantasy has always had roots in realism, parallels being drawn to real life issues and beliefs. Just because a fantasy work didn't suffer for its lack of lesbians, doesn't mean all work must adhere to the formula once presented.

It seems the only one shoving a belief down anyone's throat is you. Faggot.

I'm rather interested in Daretti, but how's he in practice? As a Planeswalker he seems real vulnerable to being hated off the board quick.

>>48642840
Boo hoo the girls keep coming into my boys only club.

>>48642912
He's obnoxiously good as a Stax general or as Goodstuff, spewing out artifacts. Too good for my turbocasual playgroup actually, which is why I ended up playing him in the 99 and with Slobad as my commander. He does powerful thinks, but not Daretti levels of you know, being a discard outlet AND a reanimator engine. MVP cards for Daretti are:
Goodstuff
Rings of Brighthearth
Ugin's Nexus
Alhammarets Archive

Stax
Tangle Wire
Smokestack
Winter Orb
Jokulhaups

Both
Ichor/Myco Wellspring
Goblin Welder
Myr Retriever

>>48642862
Not an argument. Look at what's happening in sci-fi and video games and then tell me they wouldn't try the exact same thing here. I don't want another fucking Gamergate.

>>48642897
I'm not saying 'don't innovate', I'm saying that pandering to a hundred different special identity groups is more likely to harm the work than to help it. Preoccupation with multiculturalism and diversity just makes everything more samey. It's transparently cynical and insincere. It's why people roll their eyes when they notice tokenism.

>>48643002
Yeah, here we go, it's all the same old non-arguments from Gamergate.

What is more fun, Narset Superfriends or Narset Time Monk? Unless there is a fun Voltron list for Narset

>>48641911
His favorite cheats were either a turn 1 Land tax in his R/W deck, or a turn 1 Vampiric Tutor to find Thrumming Stone in his rat deck. He still almost never won because he was a terrible player.

>>48643110
Narset is obnoxiously OP in any deck that isn't 100% creatures.

>>48642133
>crammed down their throat
Guardians of Meletis was flavor text on a common.

Narset had a story written about her where she exhibited some habits and behaviors that would put her on the spectrum, and that some people ON the spectrum picked up on, but it wasn't outright confirmed until someone asked about it. It wasn't "BREAKING NEWS: AUTISTIC MAIN CHARACTER" every two words.

Alesha's story revealed her to be trans, shaping it around the warrior culture of "choosing your identity" once you've proven yourself in battle.

Kaya's skin color was not alluded to fucking once in her story; the only two things to go off of were the descriptions of her hair and how she knotted it to sleep, and her art at the top of the page.

At no point were any of these things 'crammed down' anyone's throats. It's just the fact that Magic chose to say "Hey, here's a black girl" or "Hey, this character is trans" sent the typical user of 4chan into a frothing white-hot rage.

Cyclonic Rift ban when?

>>48639313
I have a Braids deck and I absolutely love it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/09-06-16-braids-conjurer-adept/

>>48642840
The Lord of the Rings was just a story, as was Le Morte d'Arthur. They were a thing that was written, to be appreciated as written, and maybe discussed. They were also written by straight white dudes in the 1930s and the 14-fucking-hundreds respectively.

Magic is not just a story. Magic is a game. Magic is a community. Magic is a thing people share and experience together, and which has had a predominantly straight white dude playerbase. Magic is something that gets new shit four or five times a year, and which exists in the year 2016 when most people think "Maybe we shouldn't tell black people they're subhuman". Magic is also created by a for-profit company, who decided to wield the twin swords of Not Being Assholes and Making Money and create relatable characters to attract niche markets and help break the perception that their game is exclusively for fat white dudes in their 20s who have never sexually satisfied anything other than a love pillow.

I've "gotten" to just project myself over any random protagonist in most fantasy things since I was 5. I could pretend I was Luke Skywalker, I could pretend I was Han Solo, I could pretend I was Aragorn or Legolas or Lancelot or Arthur. I could "identify" with Jace or Gideon or Urza or Gerrard. Not everyone else could. Why is it so harmful to give them characters they can relate to, that they can identify with?

>>48643158
>"Hey, here's a black girl" or "Hey, this character is trans"
One is an ethnicity, the other is a disability. back to your mental health board >>>/lgbt/

>>48643226
Well said, Anon.

>>48642342
Who says you have to? Mishra was literally an artificer that got into a science-and-magic dick-waving contest with his older brother until he got captured by Hans Giger's wet dream and turned into Robocop. He's perfect to helm the deck flavor-wise even if you don't go apeshit with the artifacts.

>>48643066
>pandering to a hundred different special identity groups
Black. Gay. Trans. Female. I count fucking FOUR. And I also don't see how any of it is 'pandering'. They're not shunting the "main" squad of the Gatewatch out to replace them with a Planeteers squad of amputees and vitiligo-stricken trans genderqueer lesbians, they're just saying "Hey, in this literal actual multiverse of different worlds, there's characters who are like you. We want you to feel included."

How is that pandering?

>Gamergate
Oh, you're retarded! Okay, we can quit caring about your opinions.

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>>48643066
I think the problem is your immediate association of anything whatsoever that could have something to do with "special identity groups" with pandering. If you're calling Wizards' nominal efforts to merely include "special identity groups" in their stories about once a block, tops, what amount of inclusion less than what they're doing now would convince you that they weren't just pandering?

>Preoccupation with multiculturalism and diversity just makes everything more samey.
Virtually every set in Magic has its standby creatures. White has humans; green, elves; black, zombies; etc. From a certain point of view, this is ALREADY remarkably "samey." Is giving a handful of those white Human cards a fucking tan so outrageously egregious as to be compared to your longdead cripplechan crusade?

If you're serious about this "tokenism" bit, though, I think that might be honestly significant, so if you have any more thoughts on that I'd be more interested.

>>48643226
I agree with the sentiment, but your post boils down to
>C'MON, IT'S [current year]
and
>appealing to minorities is a profitable thing to do
Neither of these arguments are going to be very persuasive to somebody arguing (in part) that Wizards is committing tokenism.

Ok, come on guys this is /EDHg/

>Sol Ring should be banned
>Craterhoof should be banned
>Cyclonic Rift should be banned

Prove me wrong

>>48642840
Personally, I think it's a little weird they chose to take the route they did with Alesha because it's kind of impractically "mundane". In a setting with access to polymorphic magic, they decided to make a trans character that apparently gets by without doing anything other than picking her name and it all works out. No HRT, no magic transformation, guess she just lucked out in bone structure or something.

It just seems out of place for a Magic setting to forgo obvious magical solutions.

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>>48643226
If you can't relate to a hero just because of their skin colour, maybe you're the one with the problem.

>>48643066
I honestly don't care about the special snowflakes opinions on MTG, and they shouldn't matter either way to anyone anyway. Still, I don't think that adding special snowflake or pandering characters makes MTG worse, especially since there's no clear indication of autism or tranny or whatever on the cards themselves. You won't know about these things just from looking or reading the cards, you need to read the story.
Just because Wizards claim tumblrpoints from otherkin retards, it has no actual effect on the game. If anything, it makes the game more 'accessible' for those retards and it's good marketing on Wizards part.
Besides, as large as the MTG universe is, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some defects in the inhabitants. You act like the multiverse is Third Reich or something, but I'll give you that, that it's kinda lazy on
Wizards' part to implement our world's trends and things. What I dislike is when fantasy worlds have same issues as real world has.

>>48643330
You forgot Iona, friendo.
And no, the banlist is fine where it is. There's always going to be some bullshit that you're going to bitch about.

/vg/ - Race Relations and Gender Studies

>>48643323
I mean, I'd love to think that it's 100% out of the goodness of their hearts that Wizards is choosing to appeal to minorities, but I live in the real world. I'd imagine that the people MAKING the game all want that, but the get the go-ahead from Hasbro because it'll mean more bucks.

>>48643335
I can relate more strongly to the 'problems' of a chubby white kid with bad social skills than I can with the problems of a black woman, because I've never BEEN a black woman. I can try to sympathize with it, but not empathize because I've never been through that.

>>48643330
git gud

Alright /edh/, I think my goofy UW Winter deck might 'work' better as a RUW Winter deck. The only problem is, by switching to that, I can't run an on-theme Commander. I have to choose between Ruhan or Numot (because Zedruu and Narset will paint instant targets on me). I'm thinking I can get away with just doing Numot and getting it altered or something; thoughts?

>>48643334
>In a setting with access to polymorphic magic, they decided to make a trans character that apparently gets by without doing anything other than picking her name...
That we know of.
There have been discussions (plural) on /tg/ since then of the various questions related to this, because the short story doesn't really go into them very much. One question is whether the Mardu clan (BRW) had access to polymorphic magic in the first place, which is more the domain of U and secondarily G -- the two colors they DON'T have.

In my opinion, this was kind of smart. Making a trans character magically polymorph into a "real girl" would have probably come off as kinda fucked up and tone-deaf.

>just grabbed a voniclex and a dead-eye navigator
Sweet spicy Fuck I know exactly where deadeye is going. What's the best way to use vorniclex? G/b reanimator?

>>48643335
>implying your childhood heroes were of different gender and ethnicity to yourself
And I don't just mean 'characters you liked,' but characters you looked up to, admired, and wanted to be like.

>>48643330
>Sol Ring

Yes. Sol Ring hasn't ever really improved a game, there's just the potential for one person to randomly launch themselves a mile ahead and the only reason it's not banned is because that one person could be anyone at the table.

>Craterhoof

Nah, it's fine. Big fat win conditions are kind of necessary.

>Cyclonic Rift

The only time Rift is a problem is when someone isn't winning from it. It can make the game drag out for ages.

>>48643330
How does one 'prove' someone wrong on opinions about banlist?
Only Sol Ring is worth banning of those three.
Fucking 8 mana creature that requires boardstate to do anything.
7 mana one sided boardwipe would be okay if it would be sorcery speed, but it's nothing game-ending.
I know this is bait but whatever

>>48643406
I've been in some of those arguments before and I personally believe that if Red can get a spell to make you into a dragon, Red can use magic to turn into a woman. I think one of the foremost things they did correctly with Alesha was that Red feels like the color whose philosophy would most obviously support being transgendered, with Black secondary, and Blue tertiary.

The other side of it though is that a character who has access to magic not using magic because that it makes it "just like your real life problems" also comes across a little cheap.

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>turn +20
>2 hours in
>playing blue wizard tribal
>40 cards in hand
>play prosperity 17
>activate jace archivist
>make everyone draw them self to death

And then i got called a dick.

Any recommendations for good wizard cards?

>>48643362
>>48643373
I just wanna get the thread back on track, you either die an anon or live long enough to see yourself become a shitposter
>>48643462
I agree with this, I'd like to see Ring/Vault/Crypt banned, DEN banned, andPrimetime/Sundering/Sylvan unbanned.

>>48643401
At least gA is on topic, what are you getting from splashing red, MLD? Numot is def. the more interesting commander, and having targeted LD sounds good when you're playing Winter Orb and such. Finding a good subject to get an alter of sounds hard though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_characters_with_ice_or_cold_abilities

>>48643567
Lab Man

>>48643401
What about going Shu Yun?

>>48643567
>And then i got called a dick.
After two hours, anyone ending the game, even by dickish means, is a hero.

>>48643558
>I've been in some of those arguments before and I personally believe that if Red can get a spell to make you into a dragon, Red can use magic to turn into a woman.
Considering that the rules for Magic are pretty much made up, I would find that a bit of a stretch.

As I said, though, we have no idea if such a thing is possible, or even if Alesha had already accomplished it. Her genitals are simply not acknowledged explicitly during the story at all, so we don't know. That's really all we can say with the information we have.

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>>48643611
>mfw I was directly responsible for a 4 and a half hour game

>>48643574
>I agree with this, I'd like to see Ring/Vault/Crypt banned, DEN banned, andPrimetime/Sundering/Sylvan unbanned.
You're a fucking retard. While I understand fast mana, I would like to hear your reasoning for DEN ban and unbanning any of those 3, because I refuse to believe that you have actually good reason and only reason is feelbad.
Then again, I'd like to have Limited Resources unbanned, but it's allowed in the best meta I play in.

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>>48643574
>Primetime/Sundering/Sylvan unbanned
Absolutely not you immense mongoloid

>>48643330
> banning broken cards in a broken format

Pissing in an ocean of piss.

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>>48643362

>playing Liliana
>one opponent is Sigarda Goodstuff
>bane of my shit because
>draw Praetors Grasp early
>Use it on Sigarda
>Tooth from Sigarda a few turns later
>gets real smug and looks at me
>What the fuck where's Iona?
>gee I don't know
>gets Craterhoof and Avenger out of anger
>swings at me with fuckhuge Craterhoof cause its the only thing with haste
>activate Overseer's Apprentice
>discard Big Game Hunter and kill it
>next player Blasphemous Acts
>my turn
>reanimate Sigardas's Somberwald Sage
>equip with boots
>use it to cast the Iona I stole
>name white
>sigarda 1000% mad
>mfw

>>48643612
Think of it this way, Red is the color of feeling and intuitive beliefs. It's a color of being true to yourself no matter what anyone else says or does. Red gets dragonform spells because they're an embodiment of freedom and power, becoming something that no one can order or restrict. A "trueform" spell to become something that physically reflects who you consider yourself to be mentally sounds like it would come across along the same fundamental basis.

A Red spell can polymorph its user to suit that user's desires. A Blue spell can polymorph others. You see more Blue polymorph spells in practice because they're better suited for combat magic, but Red has shown it has the tools to do it.

>>48643726
>>bane of my shit because
...Because you run sac + Grave Pact/Dictate?

>>48643656
because I wanna play Sundering in Daretti Stax and I don't care what the UGx durdedeck does across the table

>>48643780
Casting with madness is inherently "instant speed" because you're casting it while there is an object on the stack. The rules are permissive, not restrictive.

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>>48643780
>I'm pretty sure you can't just cast things with Madness at instant speed unless they have flash.

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>>48643803
>>48643818
Oh, that's pretty neat, I learned something new today!
Thanks, chaps.

>>48643780
You do realize that it's impossible to cast a card using madness as a sorcery speed?

Whats a good answer for a karametra enchantress deck, his constant cantrips and ramp is crippling and karametra is immune to most removal I run.

Going faster And focussing him down is my current strategy but it's not enough, he combos out and becomes unstoppable quite quickly, even multiple enchantments wipes cant shut him down due to his insane ramp recursion and cantripping.

I need A hand, I dont want to shut the deck out but the deck is really Uninteractive til he gets a winning board state then he rolls the table. Suggestions?

>>48643443
> implying they weren't

Donald Driver was my hero growing up.

>>48643798
Bad idea. Prime time is probably the most busted out of the 3 and besides, you'd give much fuel to the UGx cancer decks unbanning those.

>>48643917
Depends on what colors you're in, Aura of Silence is good, Back to Nature, Bane of Progress

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>>48643917
Maybe something like this.

>>48643323
>I think the problem is your immediate association of anything whatsoever that could have something to do with "special identity groups" with pandering ... what amount of inclusion less than what they're doing now would convince you that they weren't just pandering?

I think this is my issue. I've seen this movement in other areas of culture to push an agenda, and now I can't tell what's actually legit and what's ideology and dollar signs. I'd probably roll my eyes if Teferi or Crovax were introduced now.

>Virtually every set in Magic has its standby creatures. White has humans; green, elves; black, zombies; etc. From a certain point of view, this is ALREADY remarkably "samey."

I'm not talking about Magic, but culture at large. It seems like a given that everyone has to check the 'diversity' box whenever they make something now.

>tokenism
An Asian dude can play King Lear, he can do what he likes, but I won't pretend it isn't a little distracting. Aside from that, having a token 'person of colour' in something just strikes me as condescending and unseemly.

>>48643369
>'problems' in quotes
>chubby white kids with bad social skills don't have real problems
You seem like a compassionate person. The point is that their personal qualities, like courage and integrity, should be what appeal to you, and their identity shouldn't be a barrier to that. I don't find Ellen Ripley a difficult character to relate to because I don't know the struggle of being a woman in the future. She's admirable because she's an ordinary person who uses bravery and guile and a flamethrower to defeat space monsters.

>>48643443
Having an in-group preference is natural, but it's retarded to imply that people can't have others of a different race or gender as role models.

>>48642563
>>48643158
>>48643301
>>48643323

Any inclusion of a trans character is a blatant and direct political statement/pander to the "sjw" crowd.

>>48643003

Thanks, I'll look into those cards.

>>48643917
Nevinyrral's Disk, Bane of Progress, Tranquility, Deglamer, Unravel the Æther, Akroma's Vengeance, Cyclonic Rift, Worldpurge, Back to Nature, Austere Command, Cleansing Meditation, Fracturing Gust (MVP), Magus of the Disk, Paraselene, Primeval Light, Purify, Reverent Silence (nuts with Tainted Remedy or Rain of Gore), Spring Cleaning, Tranquil Grove.

>>48643972
I have a shitload of EDH decks, so answers across all colors would be nice. I think aura of silence won't be enough since karametra's ramp is just so stupid tax won't slow him down a bit, but I might give it a shot since 3CMC spot removal is definitely usable.
Bane of progress and back to nature are neat but the only deck I want to run it in is enchantment heavy already so fucking my own board state already kills me. Also like I said I already have some enchantment wipes and they don't do enough.

>>48643992
This is perfect for one of my decks, my Jor Kadeen deck usually wins through having insanely superior individual creatures/artifacts, and this helps keep metalcraft (and my artifact abilities) online. I think it'll help.

Only problem is Jor is the deck that does best against karametra since he just DPSes her down before she combos.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll keep digging. I just want to have fun combat heavy matches but with karametra he doesn't even block me until he either has a winning board state or he's at 10hp or less.

>>48644055
Thanks.

>>48643996
>I'd probably roll my eyes if Teferi or Crovax were introduced now.
That's exactly what I find most troubling about this shit. People need to realize that calling something "pandering" or tokenism is a serious charge, and nine times out of ten the textual evidence doesn't add up. Alesha, the Guardians of Meletis, all of 'em, there's virtually nothing to suggest to any of these classic examples that they weren't just stuff the creative team thought was cool.

>I'm not talking about Magic, but culture at large.
Well, I'm talking about Magic, so focus. I'm not really interested in whatever conspiracy theories you're cooking about how the (((Media))) is pushing multiculti everything down your throat. This thread is about Magic the Gathering. Let's keep it that way.

>>48644038
>ANY inclusion
That's an absurdly strong claim. Do you have any evidence?

>>48643789

Pretty much. I'm monoblack and frequently recycle shit like Fleshbag and of course use Pact/Dictate as well. She also has Hexproof, so I can't spot her off the table, either. She's annoying. I have to destroy her hand to keep her down.

Has anyone ever constructed a good/fun Oona deck? Is she a budget-friendly commander?

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>>48644089
Not him, but transgenders are something like 0.2% of the population. Of those, how many do you think would ever play Magic? Of those again, how many would not play Magic if it didn't have a transgender character? The answer is surely extremely low. It's not about getting those extra 56 customers that wouldn't otherwise play. It's about pandering to the politics of Tumblrites.
Anyway, making Alesha a transgender was pointless because MTG already had a tranny.

>>48640694
>Post list?

Check the archives, my list has been ignored for the past few threads.

>>48644305
What if, please bear with me--what if it also isn't to pander? What if the inclusion of something that only 0.2% of the population is wasn't pandering or an attempt to cash grab, but rather a sincere effort on the part of the author to create something they find more interesting? Writers tell stories and make characters the find interesting, maybe the author of Alesha's story thought it would be a neat character quirk/writing challenge?

>>48644305

What if gender fuzziness is much older than tumblr, and that completely sanitizing the lore of anything like it is just letting tumblr control the game in a different way?

Bowie wasn't pandering to tumblr.
Bridget wasn't created to pander to tumblr.

To effectively ignore the bullshit surrounding SJW, we shouldn't allow it to have any influence over what we allow ourselves to think or consume.

>Guardians of Meletis quoted as evidence of gay kings
>wording is fuzzy enough to imply that they weren't loving *each other* but were just "lovers" in general
>Ancient Greeks were at least vaguely okay with homosexuality between friends
I mean honestly, lads, we're talking about a civilization that just enjoyed sex enough to create hermaphrodites in their lore and to make multiple lovers of multiple genders part of being a real man.

>>48644305
>0.2% of the population
That we know of. The science of this stuff is VERY young, so it's important to take these surveys with a grain of salt.
>Of those, how many do you think would ever play Magic?
Well, I'm willing to bet that the number of transgender people who do play Magic is actually going to be higher than the number of transgender people doing other things, because Magic is a marginalized nerd hobby and transgender individuals are typically marginalized.
Of those, it's unclear how many would not play Magic without this representation, but it's virtually inarguable that this nominal inclusion will inevitably catch their attention and possibly convince at least one person to pick up a starter deck or two.

>the ole "Art error means Olivia Voldaren has a gigantic futa cock" meme
this is bait, but I'm going to post this reply anyway, because I think what I said above is worth considering

>>48644373
Sure, what's it called?

I have narrowed my first deck down to these choices.


Roon of the Hidden Realm: Flicker effects, abusing ETB like Thragtusk, and toolbox strategy.
Narset, Enlightened Master: Superfriends variant, lore wise I love this card.
Riku of Two Reflections: Interesting, seem for really wacky things.


Maelstrom Wanderer: Random fun
Edric: ELFBAAAALL
I am a Timmy and Johnny. Which of these would be best to start with? I understand I will like all of them, but still stuck on which to focus on

>>48644451
Growing up in marginalized nerd groups made me realize how often nerds post-1990 have taken to adopting labels, actions, fashions, and movements which get them attention from as many people as possible.

I feel like this transgender trend is one of those instances.

>t. dated an androgynous girl who changed her name to an androgynous name and slowly became very feminine as we dated, only to revert to androgyny when we broke up...and changed her name back to the original female name
It's all about who's looking.

Is Gisa and Gerald zombie tribal a good coverup for Doomsday/Leveler Lab Maniac combo?

>>48644391
Hasbro is very aware of brand perception. Do you think it's more likely that they were indulging this writer's "interesting" idea, or that they thought having sympathetic trannies would help with the liberal youth demo?
Anyway, if they want something interesting to write about, how about a fucking villain with pathos? You know, instead of Cosmic Jellyfish, Scheming Dragon and the Borg?

>>48644451
>That we know of. The science of this stuff is VERY young, so it's important to take these surveys with a grain of salt.

The science of neurosurgery was very young at one point. Frontal lobotomies won a Nobel Prize. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but this was mostly due to a massive ethical oversight.

Imagine what would have happened to frontal lobotomies if there was a social movement dedicated to ruthlessly defending the procedure on the grounds of social trends, rather than science and ethics. It's a frightening vision of a culture that creates it's own victims and suffering, and it's also a strong parallel to the social trends of today.

The future is tragically uncertain. Will political agendas prevent today's "lobotomy" from being critically evaluated?

>>48644570
Interesting villains require suffering from the protagonists, which is too un-Avengers-like for Wizards right now.

>>48644391
Extremely unlikely. The political environment surrounding transgender-ism is a big ticket issue and has been for a couple years. I don't know if this applies to authors, but magic artists are told by corporate how to draw their minority characters, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were told to make a trans character for shekels.

>>48644396
I don't know who Bridget is, but Bowie wasn't doing it when it was the "it" thing. Like Marilyn Manson, his "transgenderism" was sincere and artistic. Otherwise I somewhat agree with what you said about tumblr.

>>48644451
Maybe, but you're being just as presimptive as the other side.

>>48644538

This makes sense because nerds from that time were often ignored it worse, made fun of for liking something different. Those nerds graduated HS around 07 when social media exploded. Those people then went to college, where they met broader groups of people who shared similar interests backed by social media approval. They found identity and with it acceptance, so now with that generation, identifying as something equals acceptance.

Furthermore, that generation is the next generation was brought up by the former, so they are taught that identity is equal to acceptance. However, the problem is that the original meaning is lost, which in turn brings about the feeling that identity MUST be accepted.

>>48644431
Guardians of Meletis is one of the most innocuous examples. People were only butthurt about it because they were already butthurt about Black Theros.

>>48644089
>That's an absurdly strong claim. Do you have any evidence?

Considering that they hired a "diversity" consultant for the creation of the THE FIRST BLACK PLANESWALKER and bragged about it, they're quite likely aware of what they're doing.

Other anons have noted the relative simplicity of this planeswalker, making it easy for cosplay.

>>48644278
Oona is mad strong commander.
>>48644538
Most of the trans or androgynous people seem to lack strong identity, I also dated a girl that was less feminine than I am, but as relationship went on, she became really feminine and has stayed that way even after we broke up, both outside and in mentality.

>>48644538
>Growing up in marginalized nerd groups made me realize how often nerds post-1990 have taken to adopting labels, actions, fashions, and movements which get them attention from as many people as possible.

How 'bout fuck off?
As a transsexual, the thing I want LEAST is to be recognized as a transsexual. The less noticeable that is, the better.

>>48644278
Oona is fun as fuck when you're the one playing her.

>>48644733
>mentions it twice in the same post

>>48644795
Yeah, in an anonymous conversation online. You're not going to recognize me as trans from that because you have no idea who the fuck I am.

>>48644825

You'll be the uncomfortable one who wants to shout to the world how special they are but can't because they realize how embarrassing it is.

>>48643574
It's less from "splashing" and more just dipping into red opens up other Snow cards, I can run Skred for laughs, and I can run Rimescale Dragon for laughs because even though that card is mostly terrible it totally fits the theme, and also is a fucking ice-breathing dragon.

>>48644305
Dude, I know like five transgender Judges off the top of my head.

>>48644852
Look, there's a difference from mentioning your identity in a conversation where it's relevant and wearing it on your sleeve as attention seeking behavior.

>>48644538
I think it's more that growing up as a nerd left a lot of people very familiar with feeling marginalized and looked down on and made fun of, so nerds tend to skew more "accepting" than others.

>>48638838
>Mizzix
TEN SHITS
>Slivers
It's remarkably rare to actually cast my commander. Only in the late late game to get the last tool I need.
>Trostani
naturalize.dek

>>48644582
>equating frontal fucking lobotomies with gender identity
Fox News is another site, buddy, I think you got lost.

>>48644692
They hired a black nerd girl to help them avoid falling into stupid "black woman" pitfalls that would alienate the target audience rather than make the character relatable. Because the people writing the story were not black women, so they sought out a black woman to help them not fuck it up.

Are there any general anti blue cards that Jund can run? I'm looking for stuff that can efficiently mess with decks like Jhoira, Brago, Mizzix (and others) but won't necessarily be a dead draw if there somehow isn't any blue at the table.

>>48644928
>Mutilating someone's brain because they're mentally ill and mutilating someone's genitals because they're mentally ill are two completely different, unrelated ideas.

>>48638838
>Obzedat
I'll live, or I'll remove it.

>Maelstrom Wanderer
Wow, you hate fun, don't you? I'm just here to Cascade and I'm feeling very attacked right now.

>Grimgrin
That's kind of a problem.

>Olivia
Well, never getting rid of that, and this is already a pretty weak deck.

>Borborygmos
More than enough removal to handle it.

>Slivers
I don't need the commander, but I'll probably send a Harmonic Sliver trigger at it.

>Kaalia
Well, that's deserved.

>Keranos
I don't really need him.

>Sigarda
That is actually a problem, but I have the tools to deal with it.

>>48644946
BOY ARE THERE
Active Volcano, Boil, Boiling Seas, Carpet of Flowers, Choke, Curse of Marit Lage, Monsoon, Omen of Fire, Reign of Chaos, Scald, Tsunami, Typhoon, Display of Dominance, Autumn's Veil, Ember Gale, Eyes of the Wisent, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, etc.

>>48644973
Trans people usually just undergo hormone therapy not genital reconstruction. So no, they're not.

Anyways on topic: I'm thinking of doing W/B Clerics, who should I run? Right now my heart is telling me Athreos, but Ayli seems super fucking good.

>>48644973
1) Not all transgender people get sexual reassignment surgery.

2) Just because you say it's a mental illness doesn't make it one. People in the 50s said being gay was a mental illness. I'm sure they would have said being BLACK was a mental illness if they thought they could get away with it.

3) People who got lobotomies weren't exactly lining up and asking for them themselves.

>>48645001
Ayli can be really good if you have shit like Dictate of Erebos or some lifegain to turn her on. If you're just going CLERICS CLERICS CLERICS maybe use Athreos and a fuckload of boardwipes.

>>48637894
>Ashling the Pilgrim
Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture

>Sygg
Alestorm - "You are a Pirate"

>Edric
Rimsky-Korsakov's "Flight of the Bumblebee"

>Xenagos
Edvard Grieg - "In the Hall of the Mountain King"

>Sigarda
Titania's Song... the card... it sure makes my group salty....

>>48644661
>not knowing Bridget
You have to be 18 or older to browse this site. Now go play Guilty Gear.

>>48645015
That's what I was thinking. I'm for sure going to run Dictate of Erebos and stuff like it to maximize value off of creatures dieing. Teysa is going in the deck as well.

>>48644904

If you're never going to do anything about it, why mention it at all? I'm 27. In my gaming group when I first started getting into tg shit, there were 2 gay guys, a lesbian, and a trans. This was 15ish years ago. I didn't care then, and I don't care now. Do you know who makes the biggest fuss about shit like that?

People like that.

When the trans told me he was trans, I was like "okay". He then proceeded to try and explain to me what that meant and say shit like "Doesn't that weird you out?" No. It didn't, and I still don't give a shit.

Whether you wear it on your sleeve or not, bringing it up period serves no purpose of you aren't going to do anything about it. The same thing applies to fucking everything. You want to be a doctor? Awesome. What're you going to do about it? Nothing? Then it's just a fantasy you find enjoyable.

>>48644946

If you're in red, you have plenty of blue hate cards.

>>48644747
>>48644704
Awesome! But is she affordable?

>>48645053
Then I say run a 2-drop Commander with a dedicated sac outlet and an Utter End stapled to her ass.

>>48645065
The deck, no clue. The landbase will hurt a bit because Underground Sea is one of the more expensive duals, if you're building it at max capacity.

Oona herself is like 3 dollars tops.

>>48644946
boil, boilng seas, choke, red elemental blast, and pyroblast

>>48645002
>People in the 50s said being gay was a mental illness
Using that argument you could excuse any mental illness as healthy. Sorry, but these people need the kind of medical attention that does not involve scalpels.

>>48645059
>If you're never going to do anything about it, why mention it at all?

What exactly are you saying here? I mentioned it because it was backing a point in a conversation. What the hell are you thinking I am or am not "doing about it"?

>>48645085
Cool logical fallacy.

>>48644692
>FIRST BLACK PLANESWALKER

Teferi says hi

>>48645113
And koth

>>48645113
and Yawgmoth

>>48645001
Make sure to have Westvale Abbey in there. Makes B/W cleric tokens AND is relevant to the theme story wise.

>>48645113
If people were being serious about it, Koth would also be a notable mention. From what I gather, people are more upset about WotC acting like this is a progressive move more so than they're concerned about the move itself.

>>48645052
23 and I don't know what guilty gear is either. Whatever helps you sleep at night though.

>>48645155
That's definitely on the list, along with all the old clerics from Onslaught. I'm thinking of going for some infinite life gain, infinite toughness combos.

Next to elves, clerics are one of my favorite tribes so I'm really excited to start brewing it.

>>48644928
>equating frontal fucking lobotomies with gender identity
Lobotomies caused fewer suicides, but the personality damage they caused was enough for the medical community to realize they were usually unethical. Where does this put gender reassignment?

The science is very young. There is a real danger that the well being of people who are unhappy with themselves will be compromised by a pro-trans agenda. In a way, it's already happening. Are you a depressed man? You're a fedora neckbeard loser cuck. Are you depressed and feel like you are a woman in a man's body? Here comes the cavalry.

Diagnosis itself can become an epidemic. An entire generation of children had their brains permanently altered by psychoactive drugs in an attempt to treat normal child disorder, also known as ADHD. This was a major setback in treating behavioral and learning disabilities, including ADHD. Mixing social issues with medicine can be harmful to the true victims.

>>48637894
>Sakashima
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKnQoWWySm8

>Azami
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bpgQSbwnWD0

>Sigarda
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=smZwG-auxC8

>>48645164
>t. Reddit

>>48645153
1) We don't know what Yawgmoth looks like.

2) Yawgmoth is not a planeswalker.

>>48645153
>Yawgmoth

Wasn't a planeswalker

>>48645207
>that Sakashima one
Man, how did I not think of that for my Clone deck? I went with Double Vision.

>>48641893
I get along fine just using trilands and a few cheap rainbow lands

>>48645104

What I'm saying doesn't actually matter. It never has, and likely never will.

>>48641893
The trick is to not try to build it across all 5 colors evenly. My Reaper King deck is predominantly Blue, then green, then about equal parts black and red.

>>48645085

Strictly speaking, a mental illness is defined as something that harms your quality of life or ability to function. For example, homosexuality cannot be a mental illness because it doesn't itself make a person suffer. This is sometimes called the left hand argument after the idea that there is nothing intrinsically inhumane about having to live with a dominant left hand, even if it is less common and sometimes less accommodated for.

Person likes to count: not an illness
Person is incapable of convincing their mind that it's ok to stop counting?: Illness.

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>>48637894
Love me some Lab Maniac shenanigans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWGXt979yg

>>48645339

I used Rayne as my Lab Maniac deck.

>get Rayne, Maniac, and Mirror of Fate
>win as soon as someone targets my board

>>48637799
Hey, does anybody have that image of the cards that all together remove everything you have from play?

>>48641893
Well, >>48645299 makes a good point. One of the easiest ways to do 5-Color is to make a predominately Green mana base, using a lot of 2-mana ramp spells, along with Cultivate and Kodama's Reach. Add in some artifact ramp like Talismans and Signets if you need to also.

>>48645302
Man likes to dress as a woman: strange hobby
Man genuinely believes he is a woman: mental illness
Look at the suicide rate alone. These are disproportionately unstable, unhappy people. They unquestionably have trouble functioning due to their condition.

>>48645399
They're not unhappy because of their condition any more than black people in the 50s were unhappy because of their "condition". They're unhappy because shitheads like you tell them that they are fundamentally broken as human beings, and they feel like they have to pretend to be something they aren't until the pressure is too much and they snap.

Their condition isn't why they're unhappy, societal prejudices are.

>>48645302
This is part of the reason why SJW insanity is so scary. A treatment that leads to no improvement to a person's longterm health is a blatant violation of everything medical ethics stands for. The SJWs would rather a person die from acetaminophen overdose, which is a fate too terrible for the worst person on earth, than receive a treatment that doesn't subscribe to their ideology. The trans movement has a cruel and wicked side.

> I'm insert reason to be treated as a special snowflake because I crave attention
All this talk of equality is bullshit. Let's be honest, you don't want to be treated as the average Joe/Jane.

Getting back onto the talk of EDH,


Same from earlier.
Roon, Riku, Narset, Edric, who is more fun for casual multiplayer?

>>48645431
>Because some tumblrinas go too far and identify as a demiqueer pansexual Owlkin with xyk/xok/xurself pronouns, anyone that doesn't fit my personal definition of "normal" is an attention-seeking liar

>>48645441
Roon and Narset are going to paint a target on you from the word "go", and even if you build Roon "fair" it's still really an ass-beating. I had a blink-themed Zegana deck that I gutted because it was boring, I'd just obliterate everyone with value.

Edric can have a little stigma, but he lost a lot of that when "little dudes.dec" switched to Ezuri going infinite with Sage of Hours, so I'd say he's the best bet, as long as you avoid the pitfalls of UG Goodstuff.

>>48645465
What about Riku? Can he be a pretty Timmy/Johnny deck wise?

>>48645431
>you don't want to be treated as the average Joe/Jane.

Literally all I want is to be treated as an average Jane. My being biologically male shouldn't be important unless you're A. my doctor, B. my sexual partner, or C. a tampon salesman.

>>48645490
Riku can be super Timmy because his whole thing is "Do big dumb shit twice". UGx (especially RUG in my experience) do have a reputation for "stupid combo bullshit" more than "fun Timmy deck", but it wouldn't be as big a red flag as, say... Animar. Just try to keep the power level of your group in mind as you build and you'll be fine.

>>48645420
>Their condition isn't why they're unhappy, societal prejudices are.

The difference between the trans of today and the gays of the 50s was that we eventually realized that trying to treat gays makes them suffer and become suicidal. The progress made was to stop trying to cure the gay.

Today, trans people are also being cured in a way that causes suffering and death.

You can blame a culture for trying to impose a treatment that makes people want to kill themselves. This was imposed by conservatives in the 50s, and it's being heavily encouraged by liberals today. prescribing death is wrong no matter what social group is causing it.

>>48645490
Good for double creature/spell shennanigans, tryhard bullshit if you run big things and crazy ramp and kill everyone with a double Craterhoof on turn 7 like a FUCKING ASSHOLE

>>48645517
Alright, cool. I had been debating to pick up Riku because he seemed to fit the whole Timmy and Johnny in me for either over the top combo or do big creatures and clone them for value and over run

>>48645541
Good, I will fuck everyone with that Craterhoof.

>>48645554
You do you, cupcake. I personally dismantled my Riku deck about a month after i bought it because it wasn't my cuppa.

>>48645573
Ouch, hopefully that did not make a hole in your wallet or the pieces went into some other spicy project.

>>48645420
That same argument could be made to defend paedophiles.

>>48645536
>Today, trans people are also being cured in a way that causes suffering and death.

One of the main arguments around SRS is that mental health review and suicide rates for transgendered individuals remain pretty much the same pre and post-op. So it's not necessarily increasing quality of life, but neither is it directly decreasing it. Treatments aren't causing more suffering and death than letting them go untreated.

>>48645611
Nah, it was the precon. I bought all 5, gutted Riku almost as fast as I gutted Zedruu, and used the pieces elsewhere.

>>48645512
Here's the thing. Average Joe cuts his dick off, wears a dress, and insists he receives all the benefits of being a Jane, because he's really a Jane deep down inside.

Ya know what. I honestly don't have a problem with this. I think the science behind it is way too young and the results do more damage than good. The thing that upsets me the most is the sensationalizing of it by mass media and the people that use it to be treated as special instead of someone who genuinely feels that way, or psychologists supporting people like chrischan into doing something like this when Chris' issues clearly stem from something completely unrelated and allowing him to pursue this route is doing more damage than good.

I don't agree with giving hormones to children under eighteen because they have no idea what the fuck they want. I don't think the science is there and I think the sensationalizing of transgenderism is hurting far more people than it's helping.

Can we just talk about EDH in the next thread?

>>48645633
> sex reassignment surgery doesn't seem to effect the suicide rate
This sounds like evidence that it should be treated as a mental illness. Perhaps it's because the surgery isn't to a level that's convincing enough. You went from an ugly man to an ugly almost woman.

>>48645724
This shit only happened after someone informed me that Narset was Autistic, then it went on to about how Wizards shoves things down our throats and a black main character or some shit. I think if we do not bring that up again we can talk about edh in the next thread

>>48645768
So you're saying that Narset should be banned. I agree.