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Jumpchain CYOA Thread #964: Waifu the World Edition

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>Last Thread
>>48353638
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>>48359637
Sir, Yes Sir!
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A few threads ago, some anons were talking about manifesting and companioning the embodiments of settings themselves, and I want to know if /jc/ knows any good methods to achieve incarnating them in human/alien/planet/spirit/information being form.
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>>48359660
what is this picture?
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>>48359675
Realm of Myths from Civ, my friend. Realm of Myths. It lets you act like a character from folklore, treating inanimate features of reality as if they were people (and seducing them) is explicitly one of the feats it allows.
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>>48359637
You want me to waifu ZA WARUDO?!
Okay, yeah, sure, why not? What could possibly go wrong.
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>>48359688
Humanized form of a rumored evolution for Mawile. Basically the evolved form was supposed to have its arms turn into mouths just like the one attached to the back of the head.

At least, that's what I'm guessing.
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>>48359750
makes me think hydreigon more than mawhile.
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>>48359750
...

Dude that was literally just Mega Banette
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>romance
>with anything
>ever

But anon, there is only one summit. The ultimate life form needs neither heirs nor brothers.
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>>48359780
>>48359779
Huh. So it is. I never use Ghost types, so excuse my ignorance.

I did say I was guessing.
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>>48359703
I mean, you can interact with them like that, but they sure as hell aren't people that I can companion and take with me.
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>>48359359

>Quick question about Overlord, do the personality changes caused by the classes, eg.demon go away at the end of the jump or do they remain?

>>48359547?
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>>48359885
Why would they? They are part of an Origin, so the memories and personality traits will be converted into information post jump.
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>>48359885
Nether.
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Alright. Let's try this again and see if it works this time, because it's pretty clear I don't understand how to properly ask for critique. So I put the current Warframe WIP in a PDF for everyone's convenience.

Changelog from the prior version:

-Story section is done
-New perk: "Mantle of Legacy"
-6-7 new items, minor changes to Armor Design Kit and Emblem Creation Kit
-If you buy an Orbiter, you get the Landing Craft for free
-Warframe Table's Tenno-Exclusive perk is done
-Warframe Table's elements are completed/fleshed out; original version had 17 and this one has 27
-A few extra notes

I'm at a point where I really wouldn't mind some critique and criticism, to make sure I'm on the right track and getting this Warframe update done right. There's links, there's all kinds of options, tried to explain things... but you know, something always goes wrong. So I'm hoping for people to look it over.

Also for those who have an issue with the 1500CP budget, I AM willing to reconsider, but please consider the following:
-The customization tables already have their own budget
-You can already convert CP to these tables
-The drawback cap is already 1500CP
-The item section already has an additional 300CP budget bonus

Thank you for looking at it, and I hope this WIP can satisfy people or be changed in a way that can satisfy people before I move on with it.
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>>48359932
Cool.
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>>48359932
So what's left to do?

Also, is the Warbros drawback staying?
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>>48358081
>>48358186
>>48358227
>>48358263
Shingeki no Bahamut/Granblu Fantasy

I wish these had jumps. Like Puzzles and Dragons they'd be great for picking up companions and waifus.
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>>48359823
>Arcanine
Best girl.
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>>48359932
Is there anything in particular you're looking for criticism on?
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>>48359804
But what about all the other Kars on Mars?
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>>48359956
Rule 1 man. Do it.
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>>48359989
I don't read enough Japanese for that.
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>>48359945
The Warframe ability customization, the table itself, and drawbacks. Then we're good to go. That can stay.

>>48359975
Pretty much everything. I'm trying to make this thing NOT be shit, so that it can stop causing drama.
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>>48360011
The people who cause drama over it are doing it to spite you and have no actual interest in the jump or the setting. That means nothing can stop them.
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>>48358895
They actually popped in fairly recently. Within a few weeks I think.

They're waiting for Endless Space 2 before they finish the jump.
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Is Tom Bombadil Jumpchan?
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>>48359956
>Granblue Fantasy
I have to agree if there's one good thing mobile and browser games have done, is make a lot of good art/companions

Also I only have one request if a Granblue Jump were to ever be done (Read: When the game is actually completely translated cause it only goes to halfway through chapter 60).

Scenarios

Especially a Robomi Scenario
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBbg3KAzsA
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>>48360049
He's probably Eru Illuvitar or the spirit of Arda itself.
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>>48360049
Tom Bombadil is whoever he wants to be.
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>>48360040
Awesome. So how many months from now will that be?
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>>48360062
Yeah, these mobile card game setting lend themselves well to scenarios because of all the events and such.
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>>48359932
Holy shit long-ass intro.
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>>48360205
Allow me to point you to the old version. A.K.A. the "this is incorrect as hell holy shit" version.

I wanted there to be no misconceptions of the setting. Ever.
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>>48359932
Do all Warframes come with great butts or is that just a sometimes thing?
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>>48359637
Workin' on it, one jump at a time.
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I'm doing a maximum FREEDOM build, what are some good freedom and revolution perks?
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>>48359840

Proposing to an entire world and wedding them sounds mythic to me
(blue feather abuse is something i personally decided not to do but it could work)
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>>48360250
But you will never be able to waifu yourself.

>>48360260
Panty and Stocking.
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>>48360150
Any personal favorite highlights on your end or?
Street Fighter was a great collab sequence
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>>48360243
...there will be an aesthetic perk to give your Warframe a sweet ass.
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>>48360266
>But you will never be able to waifu yourself.
Have future you waifu past you, problem solved.
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>>48360260
Being a bald eagle animagus in Harry Potter.
Drop-ins even get a discount on it, so you don't have to be British.
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>>48360266
darkstalkers has a drawback for that. And I can think of an easy way to do it without that.
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>>48360274
I have a few characters I like, but I never got invested enough that I feel I judge all of it. I tend to play these games for a month or two and move on.

Which reminds me of something that's even more waifu bait: Valkyrie Crusade.
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>>48360221
HOLY SHIT EQUALLY LONG-ASS INTRO. I was not aware there was this much backstory.

>>48360243
Mostly just Valkyr from what I've seen. Valkyr, Saryn, maybe one other but I forget that Frame's name.
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>>48359932
Few bits of barely worth it feedback/questions.

Could you justify the text?

Can you swap Death Marks or is it stuck on someone till they die? If you can how long does it take?

I'm curious about Boundless Drive and perks like it in other jumps. If enough hunger or thirst or need for sleep 'catches up to you' would you just instantly die?

Still reading so I'll come back with more.
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>>48360283
Not that man but totally relevant
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>>48360266
Parting Gift in Darkstalkers. That is all.
also Clones.
Shadow versions of myself
Lot of ways to handle this stuff, man
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>>48360283
It feels like I'm wearing nothing at all.
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>>48360266
Doomed Timeline Jumper, Project Cadmus Clone from YJ, LEGITIMATE EXISTENTIAL ANGST from GUNNM.
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>>48360283
Goooooood.
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>>48360320
>>48360332
If twins count, we can go even further.
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>>48360283
Not him, but... Excellent. Aesthetics are the most important, after all. I wish I could help by commenting on the jump. But I know nothing of Warframe, so I can't really say much aside from it looking pretty awesome.
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>>48360104
I don't know if a release date has been set beyond '2016'.
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>>48360312
Eh I started cutting down my mobage upkeep as well, mostly down to 3-4 actives? Even then not as much as before.

>Valkyrie Crusade
Well it cant be that Waifubai-
Oh wow. Yeah I see what you mean now
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>>48360283
Don't you already have that cleared with "Beauty of the Beast"?

Regardless - I need Modification Creation. A fucktonne.
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>>48360316
>Could you justify the text?
I'm not sure I understand.

>Can you swap Death Marks or is it stuck on someone till they die? If you can how long does it take?
You could probably swap Death Marks, I'll add that in notes and clarify.

>I'm curious about Boundless Drive and perks like it in other jumps. If enough hunger or thirst or need for sleep 'catches up to you' would you just instantly die?
...only if you're a fucking idiot? I mean you're the one who's keeping track man. If you don't have anything to help with sustenance and you say, go a century without it then what even.
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>>48360379
>Oh wow. Yeah I see what you mean now
Oh yeah. You could make a jump out of it since it's cheesecake at worst, but it's all waifus all the way down. The only real reason to jump it would be to collect dozens of cute girls in revealing outfits.
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>>48360316
>If enough hunger or thirst or need for sleep 'catches up to you' would you just instantly die?
>Not grabbing one of the many perks that removes the need for food/sleep/thirst/etc
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>>48360443
Wait, what? Is it just cute-girl pokemon?
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>>48360399
>I'm not sure I understand.
Justify means center align, I believe.
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>>48360399
So do the Syndicates have any post-jump application, or are they purely for scrounging up in-jump benefits via working with them?
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>>48360397
No no no. See, there's the general appearance perk, then there's going to be the Warframe Table's 'redesign the shape of your Warframe' so if you want, you can give it a sweet ass. Different sort of thing to let you custom-tailor your Warframe.
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>>48360460
Online cardgame mobage, has other systems like building up your base and going on missions, but all the cards are cute waifus. So I guess so.
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>>48360477
Gotcha. Nevermind me then.
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>>48360443
All I'm gonna say is that here are probably better choices for waifu centric collectathons

>>48360460
Lots of mobile games depend on players collecting their favorites, and most focus on waifus so.... in most cases yep pretty much

Like I will bet dollars to donuts that the M/F ratio is hilariously skewed to Female
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>>48360460
>>48360478
I mean, it does have a metaplot about saving the world and stopping... I think she's some demon queen? But that's what you're using the cute girls for so. Like if you want you could theoretically jump there, go kick the demon in the cunt, and avoid all women forever and save the world, but that seems like it'd be missing the point.
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>>48360515
>waifu centric collectathons
This is the main reason I want a LoL jump. It's fucking waifu heaven. Or husbando, if that's your thing. Lots of great companions in general, even if you don't plan on fucking them.
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>>48360515
Probably, but I played it and when I think 'card game for the sake of waifus', it's what comes to mind.
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For those of you who don't have a Jumpchan or a similar being, what do you have that brings you between Jumps?
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>>48360399
Make it straight and organised. There's a button for it next to the centred and left or right alignment buttons.

>>48360456
I have those perks, I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would take them. That's just me though.


Another warframe question. If you pay 300 can you import a companion as a tenno and another as infected, or do you have to pay for both categories?
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>>48360564
Why anyone would take a 'hold off needs' perk that is.
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>>48359932
I have no idea where to even begin my build. Well done with this.
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>>48360465
>>48360564
But... it looks organized and formatted when I open the PDF in 4chan. I'm legit unsure what you mean. Are you talking about the additional tiered options? Because those are to signify a tiered option.

>If you pay 300 can you import a companion as a tenno and another as infected, or do you have to pay for both categories?
That 100CP additional cost is a single-time thing. So you can have one as a Tenno and another as an Infested.
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>>48360552
A breadbox.
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>>48360629
He's talking about absolute justification. Right now the left side lines up, but the right side has a bunch of hangers and orphans. With full or absolute justification both sides line up like blocks.

The buttons usually look like this
>Left
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>Right
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>Justify
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>>48360564
>I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would take them
Anti-needs perks? So they don't have to eat/drink/sleep, gives you a lot of free time.
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>>48360629
If you select a paragraph and hit justify it will adjust it to be straight on both sides.

If you don't want to that's fine, I was just suggesting it since you were asking for feedback.
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>>48360515
>Prototype

But she has the skirt/spaced armor. That attachment didn't happen until much later in their production.
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>>48360629
>>48360653
Fuck, the right should have lined up on the right.
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>>48360654
he's talking about perks that let you ignore needs(until later when it can kill you if you don't take care of it) As opposed to perks that eliminate said needs.
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>>48359932
As I'm reading I'm noticing a number of places where you could tighten up your sentences. You've got a few run-on sentences here and there, as well as a slight overuse of the "...". You've got some perks split in half by page breaks, which I'm sure you don't want. I realize this isn't the final draft, but it is bothering me as I read. I'm just mentioning it so you can keep a look out as you write.

Love the intro though. Gives people who don't know the setting an excellent overview of what they're getting into and all the major players.

I'd be happy to help correct some of them, if you'd like. But I don't want to presume. Goodness knows my own writing isn't perfect.

The last line of The Spartan Way does need a little clarifying. It seems to imply that it makes yourself and your allies better on the battlefield, while the rest of the perk reads as if it allows you to ignore a lot of minor inconveniences that come with living a soldier's life.

200 CP seems a little steep for Beauty of the Beast, but that's only a minor quibble.

I would suggest setting the last sentence of the Companions paragraph on it's own line. It's pretty important and it blends in a little where it is now.

There's /so/ much to look at in the Items section, holy cow! I'm blown away by how much work you've done on this Jump. I'll admit I only glanced through the Items section, but what I saw looked great.

Overall, I love the Jump. I really can't wait for it to be finished. I've already slotted it for my 50th Jump.
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>>48360654
I meant the holding off needs perks. If you only have them and use them to hold off longer than you can normally hold off the needs 'catches up' and you might die. There's a reason we need nutrients and sleep normally.

It doesn't really matter, just seems like a self defeating perk to me, or maybe sacrificial is a better term. The most use you'd get out of it is finishing a task you would normally die before finishing.... But then you die.
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>>48360666
I think the trick to this Satan is that you have to use an ascii code space, which is alt+255
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>>48360665
Look I don't classify them man
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>>48360732
Man, I wish I could get tank girl waifus.
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>>48360629
How often can you call down the extractor unit, and were does it deposit it's cargo? The warehouse? On the ground around it? Do you need to visit it it space? Pedantic question can you call it down if you fly to a different solar system or do you have to carry it?

In case you can't tell I'm almost certainly spending my item CP on this, but man you have a lot of great items.

Oh, and thanks for answering the companion question.
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>>48359932
>Warframe Bobble-heads

HOW MANY CLEM BOBBLES
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>>48360786
All the art's from Panzer Waltz, which is a tank girl collecting vidya, go nuts
There's also a plot too I guess
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>>48360813
Clem?
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>>48360830
Clem
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>>48360822
someone has to make the jump before we can jump it.
> in before someone tells me to do it

I've never heard of it before.
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>>48360712
>>48360694
>>48360666
>>48360656
>>48360653
Ugh, I'll... I'll see what I can do on the text. The tiered parts are going to be an issue.

I'll fix the obnoxious use of ellipses.

I'll clarify the Spartan Way. 'Beauty of the Beast' is for a reason, it's fairly strong.

I'll fix the companions thing.

I added a shitton of items because one of the biggest complaints was that the budget was too big. So I figured instead do some digging and make people realize that budget will never be enough.

>>48360792
It seems to drop its resources off right at you. I'll clarify how often you can call down the unit, and it drops near you regardless of location.

>>48360813
AS MANY CLEM BOBBLES AS YOU FUCKING WANT.
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>>48360830
>>48360847

GRAKATA
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>>48360874
You should be able to do it without losing the tiers, but if it doesn't work and you don't want to go through putting tier indentation back in then don't bother.
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>>48360874
No budget could be big enough for everything I want in Warframe.

You've done very well in making me seriously consider maxing out the Drawbacks section for the first Jump in my entire Chain.

Please accept some hot snek action in tribute of your awesomeness.

Holy shit! The whole box is overflowing with Clem Bobbles! They just won't stop! I don't want to die like this!
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Current progress on Demolition Man Jump.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uo5UyVPmrLNzl26zSrig3UP7_QQtTiY_jyr_eOGYnZo/edit?pref=2&pli=1

Suggestions and Ideas are welcomed.


Also, I have uploaded slightly updated versions of all my jumps as they should now have selectable text.
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>>48360938
>snake tits
This always leaves me so conflicted
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>>48359637
Okay, Jane Doe's back after a week and a half!

Question for the maker of the Ben 10 Jump: for the Jumpertrix drawback, does it affect Warehouse access?
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>>48360957
THEY'RE VENOM SACS
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>>48360957
>Getting conflicted with xenos
Anon embrace it.
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>>48360221
>Stalker was a 700 point Drawback, and could kill you in 6 hits, no matter your durability, and you had to take it if you wanted to be Tenno
This, this is why I hated this version.

>>48360847
>>48360830
>>48360877
>MFW I bull-rushed Twin Grakatas in my game, when I'm band new to Warframe, due to Clem
And they are my best weapon, I pull them out whenever shit gets real and my Sword or Bow won't handle it.
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>>48360957
>Snek tits.
Here you go anon. Have some more snake tits.
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>>48360856
Consider it on the table but not claimed then.

I understand your desire for tank waifus
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>>48360957
>snek tits
don't you mean legs? tits are always a nice thought, but if it has legs how do you know it's a snek?
>even decent legs are confusing on a snek
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>>48360915
OOOH WAIT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING NOW, I FOUND THE JUSTIFY BUTTON.

Herp herp fucking herp. I'm a retard. I also centered the section titles because why not.

>>48360694
Also for the companions paragraph, I separated the line and I italicized the 100CP requirement to turn companions into Tenno/Infested, bit more clarification.

>>48360938
The old Warframe version was a sin. I wanted to rectify it by adding something for everything.

Army-builders, crafters, beauty people, brute force people, techies, mystics, moralfags, edgelords, everyone's getting some fun this time.

>>48360987
And I'm fixing that shit.
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>>48360987
>This, this is why I hated this version.
Don't forget he nullifies your powers, and you don't even get points for the drawback.

Such /great/ design.
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>>48360938
My mind is telling me no.
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>>48360953
Is this a Demo of Demolition Man?
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>>48361033
>Army-builders, crafters, beauty people, brute force people, techies, moralfags
And now I have to choose which of these represents me the most for the purposes of Warframe. Because I'm all of this shit.


>>48361046
I HATED that jump, all because of that drawback. I just want to be a Space Ninja Murderbeast. Is that too much to ask? I honestly wouldn't care if it was objectively the weakest Origin. I just want to be a Tenno because it's fucking COOL.
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>>48361073
>Not adding edgelord
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>>48360474
Also fuck, forgot to answer your question.

They're for scrounging up in-jump benefits and pretty much give you access to both allies and plenty of free Syndicate weapons in the jump. That's why I made them so bloody cheap.
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>>48361096
I also removed Mystics.
Because I'm more "punch things" than "use magic"
And I'm WAY more of a moralfag than an Edgelord.
Now my Secundo chain, that was an Edgelord. And still not as bad as some other people in the thread.
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>>48359932
I'm so hyped. You could even say... that I'm Manic.
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>>48361126
>Casts Fist.
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>>48361254
More like
>Casts Sword
Excalibur is more my style than Rhino, at least in chain.
For how I like to play Vidya Nekros is Perfect for me.
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>>48360964
I wasn't planning to pop in today because I'm not feeling too good. I'm debating on if it will give you limited access or not, but in the end I'll probably end up ruling that you can't unless I can think of a good way to do it. Got to make 800cp Vilgax worth it after all.

Also, just to get this out of the way, I'm changing the drawback so companions get one too so you can't expect them to solve all your problems for you, but to be merciful I will probably make it so they get some extra points too.

Probably going to go lay down or something. For some reason I just can't seem to keep my eyes open.
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>>48361287
no problem man, get you better.
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>>48361287
Why not:
You can only access the warehouse while the jumpertrix is "Active"
?
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>>48361287
>>48361345
Maybe "warehouse" is one of the forms the Jumpertrix can give you, and you can only use the warehouse and its contents while it's active?
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>>48361287
Maybe have the jumpertrix give you a random form, a random jump specific powerset, and a random item from you warehouse for each activation.

Nothing quite says chaos like being in dreamland form with ravenloft powerset and a pair of headphones that play really good music and do absolutely nothing else.
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>>48360953
Overall, I like it. You've got a good base that covers most things people are going to be looking for in the setting. I hope I didn't get too annoying with my notes. I rather like Google Docs for this kind of brainstorming/suggestion session. I may use it in the future.
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>>48361376
How about having the warehouse be part of the jumpertrix form from the jump that you first got the warehouse?
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>>48361433
You were very helpful and I will definitely be using your perk ideas.
I just need some time to write them out later.
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>>48361426
Oh god that sounds awful.
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>>48361503
I'm very glad I could help.
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>>48361345
>>48361376
Actual last post because this whole things has got me thinking. As long as I can think of a solution that satisfies me, I'll add Warehouse in a limited fashion as a form. Will see once I feel better.

The main reason I'm posting is because companion Jumpertrix made me decide that companions will be able to take some, but not all drawbacks. The most important is an increased cost added to Rooting You Out that would give them a good deal more cp, but they become a sleeper agent (also you don't remember taking this version of the drawback).

Or not, I'll discuss it more later when I feel better. Goodbye for real, probably.

Please don't let this revelation cause a shitstorm.
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>>48361591
>Please don't let this revelation cause a shitstorm.
You say knowing that this sentence increases the likelihood of a shitstorm by at least 20%. . .
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>>48361345
Easiest to deal with, so long as you don't need a form right after pulling something out of the Warehouse.

>>48361376
Least convenient. Would maybe be good for the Vilgax version.

>>48361426
Inconvenient but high chance for shenanigans. Jane approves. Can imagine trying to stop a bank robbery while in Eevee form with my HotD perks and my Striker Unit. Super fun.

>>48361493
Do you mean the Jump immediately before or after the Warehouse build? Either way, could work with that.

>>48361591
Any kind of Warehouse access would be workable. Or even saying no Warehouse at all (especially for the Vilgax upgrade) would be worth the extra CP, I think.
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>>48361651
>Do you mean the Jump immediately before or after the Warehouse build? Either way, could work with that.
If this option were to be used it would have to be the one after the warehouse build, why would you be able to access the warehouse in the form from a jump that you didn't have the warehouse in?
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>>48361724
because time is more malleable around Jumpers, and especially in the Ben 10 universe.

totally not nonsense
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So, in History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi, you can choose a member of Ryozanpaku as your master if you take a drawback for no points. Hayato Furiniji is a member of Ryozanpaku, and is called the strongest man in the world in universe.

As someone who's familiarity with the series amounts to skimming the trope page, is taking him as a master a good idea or a bad idea?
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Alright, /jc/, summarize each of your Companions in just three words!

>Happy Fire Badger
>Helpful Lightning Dragon
>Peaceful Fire Dragoness
>Old Overworked Paladin
>Creepy Dark Mage
>Idealistic Calf Person
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>>48361827
The stronger your master the more dangerous the "training" will likely be, the Invincible Superman is one of the three strongest people in the setting and capable of ripping through tanks.
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>>48361827
If you're not tough enough, your training will probably kill you.
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Right. I'm pretty sure I fixed as many page breaks and cleared up/clarified some of the perks that had the issues.

Anything else before I get back to work? Any additional elements people want to see? Requests?
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>>48361827
If you are early enough in your chain for that jump to provide you with any significant increase to your strength you will almost certainly die from that old bastard's definition of "Training".
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>>48361859
>pic

2spooky
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>>48361287
While I would prefer there to be some form of Warehouse access, I beg that you don't make things be completely random. Even Ben didn't have things be completely Random, while the Omnitrix activation time was limited as a safe measure, along with the "recharge" period. Hell, there were times when Omnitrix skipped recharge period because Ben's life was in danger. Would our Jumpinatrix have that?

And question about Jumpinatrix:

Let's assume I got a Zerg form, but improved it by in-jump stuff from other jump. Do I get Pure Zerg form or do I get the improved alt-form?

What about other power ups for the alt form that we got in the jump that we got alt form from?

(In before I jump into Codon Stream as Primal Zerg or Strand Weaver to have all the samples. Or any other form that lets me somehow separate and contain DNA samples)
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>>48361287
...HUH
In Omniverse, with the new omnitrix, they explained why Ben's Omnitrix malfunctioned
It was because he was slamming the core and moving the selection wheel accidentially during it

Keep that in mind, Paradox.
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>>48361859
>Anything else before I get back to work?

Can you give yourself a hug for being great?
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>>48361859
I played Warframe before the whole moon children thing, so I don't really know what's current, but it seems like you're going for canon elements. If that isn't the case, how about Time/Surprise/Love/Motion?

...Unless you mean elements as in right about anything, rather than Warframe elements. In which case, I got nuthin'.
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>>48361859
>Requests
Could you please fix the Bayonneta jump already?
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>>48361899
SCIENCE, anon. Science.

>>48361934
Not until I finish this blasted thing up and present a jump that isn't shit. And maybe I'll hug myself after I fix up some critiques with my shitty storytelling in some Bloodborne writefagging.
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>>48361973
I don't get it. Is this a joke? Did I miss something?
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>>48361975
>Science
That isn't science that looks like horror.
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>>48361849
You got it buddy.

>Blue Haired Wife
>Stitch-Faced Doctor
>The Good Loser
>Rip and Tear
>Law Loving Daemonettes
>Calm Headed Kurokami
>Finally Happy Immortal
>Don't Underestimate Her
>Badass Deputy Mayor
>Robotic Operating Buddy
>Tsundere Computer Program
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>>48359780
I love Mega Banette's design.
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>>48361849
This would take too long, but lets do the first six

Faitfhul fire dog
Jealous fire moth
Snarky ice weasel
Stoic rock dinosaur
Aggressive rock dinosaur
Michevious ghost witch
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>>48362021
Science can be both beautiful and terrifying.

>>48361951
No no, you were right the first time. Honestly, 'Motion' seems the only one of those choices I could probably use. I'll put thought into it. If you've got any other suggestions or things that could be correlated, let me know.

>>48361973
...on the off chance that this isn't what I think it is, dare I ask what's wrong with it?
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>>48362055
>Do an image search on pic
>Google comes up with "woman".

...what?
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>>48362055
The perks do not represent the setting at all and you've got that skeevy 'capstone booster' that you love so much to force people to pay 800 cp for an unnerfed version of their capstone.
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Professor Paradox, if you're still around, is it possible that Vilgax's race might be offered? With maybe a extra cp cost to be a cyborg like being like Vilgax was in the first series?
Because good God was he a juggernaut in that. Hell, he survived a nuke(that he was attached to, that hit his ship and caused THAT to blow up too, by the way) even BEFORE he was a cyborg. Dude's durable.
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>>48362096
That is from clerks the animated series and I have no idea anon. Image search is a strange things.
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>>48361849
Here's goes nothing.

Asshole Plant Monster
Bloodthirsty Shark Murderer
Psychotic Biotic Bitch
World's Worst/Best Dad
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>>48362114
He has DNA.

Just scan him or his race. Or get sample from Primus. You won't get Cyborg stuff but you don't need it.

Also, REMEMBER YOU HAVE TO FIGHT CTHULHU in Ben 10 universe. And if you let Vilgax help with defeating him, he will absorb the dude and become Cthulhu himself.
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>>48362096
He's secretly a rock star by night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPNredrDO0
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>>48362055
It's what you think it is.
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>>48362055
Not that poster, but I wanted to say that I think Aesirite should have gotten a discount on Magical Works since they seem magical too.

Not sure if this would make it unbalanced though, since Witches/Sages get one extra 100 CP freebie, and Aesirites get an extra 200 CP perk discounted for them.
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Is this a good idea?

Would this even work?

Am I saving the Imperium?
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>>48362157
Izzat Guilliman?
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>>48362111
How do they not represent the setting? Blanket statements like that are almost as useless as "I hate it" or "it sucks."

Also, you're presuming you'd get the boosted version without the Capstone booster, which is silly.
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>>48362157
Use it on Toilet Man instead.
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>>48361849
Started a new chain, so I only have two:

Sneaky Cloth Shoggoth
Lewd Robot Angel
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>>48362145
>Fight Cthulhu
>Absorb Cthulhu and become him
Oh God what. I heard that there was a power creep, but a Great Old One?
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>>48362170
Papa Smurf.
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>>48361849
>Hotblooded Gun Singer
>Time Paradox Driver
>Designated Driver 2
>Zealous Paladin Daughter
>Tacticool Archer
>Quiet Mage Son
>Ancient Scientist Golem And Her Alchemist Knight Compatriots
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>>48362157
While I would bet money on the ashes on being able to cancel out the poison, I'm not certain on the wounds themselves. Healing them could be a problem as the Ultra marines will never allow you to take him out of stasis.
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>>48362155
>mfw it was exactly what I thought it was
Motherfucker, just when it seems like I got some good results there's always that guy.

>>48362156
This... this on the other hand, is some critique I need to actually think of. This kind of raises a good point. It probably would make it a tad unbalanced though, as I wanted the three magical backgrounds to have their discounts all balanced with each other. Any suggestions? I mean it IS a legit concern...
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>>48361849
>Bipolar Fast Elf
>Protective Friendly Russian
>Small Rice Child
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>>48362228
Speaking of Bayonetta, I wanted to ask, how durable are the fists Aesirites can use? I know that origin isn't supposed to be built for combat, but I was wondering if I could use them for some ORA ORA ORA punching, or if they would just shatter when used for anything other than building or deconstructing.
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A question about Jurassic Park:

If I take Extinct Genus and Special DNA, does that mean I can have an out of jump base plus three additional out of jump things added together?

I really want to smash together some Flying Wyverns from Monster Hunter.
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>>48361849
Not counting Pokemon to trim the fat, even if they do get plenty of use.

Ghostly superhero clone
Eccentric hacker daughteru
Super smart corgi
Vampire double waifu
Fuck the police
Second in command
Rebellious but loyal
Smiling vampire pirate
Beautifully ugly actor
Wise guy ghoul
Creepily obsessed servant
Cool vampire scholar
Cute forensics expert
Biomechanical humanoid ship
Brilliant amoral geneticist
Jumper Jr. niece
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>>48362228
I dunno, give Sage and Witch Sass n' Class or Immaculate Hair for free?
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>>48359932
How strong are Hunhow and Stalker that they're nerfed till postspark?
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>>48362277
If you wanna put in the spirit-buffing effort and ORA ORA with them, be my guest.

>>48362284
Mmm. ...I dunno. I mean that feels more like a band-aid or something. Maybe I need to stop being lazy and dig into the lore some more.

>>48362288
Let's put it this way: Hunhow can see through any part of himself despite being separated, mind-rape anyone in physical contact, and Sentients' make-up is as such that they can adapt to pretty much any damage and grant themselves an 80%-90% damage reduction within the first five seconds of being attacked. You can see this happening in real time, and Hunhow granted that shit onto the Stalker.

Hunhow is likely even more bullshit.
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>>48362339
>If you wanna put in the spirit-buffing effort and ORA ORA with them, be my guest.

Yeah, but how durable are they by themselves?
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>>48362228
A bit late on this. But one thing I never really liked about the Umbra Witch/Lumen Sage backgrounds is that they're based on characters that don't actually exist. Like are there even any Lumen Sages or whatever that appear on the level of the jump gives you? It even says in the jump that the main characters are way stronger than you, but who else do you even have to go off of for feats?
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>>48361849
That is easy.

Spooky Fucking Ghosts.
Yes, that applies to even the living ones.
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>>48362383
the gengarmada
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>>48361849
Still early in the chain so
>Stalwart dragon jewelcrafter
>Sociopathic kung-fu asshole
>hivemind surgery ninjas

Not exactly the team I wanted, but the dragon guy is cool.
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>>48362435
I misread that as stalwart dragon jew.
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>>48362201
Well to be fair it's less of Cthulhu and more Dagon

http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Diagon

And he mind controlled entire Earth within seconds while still being partially sealed away
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>>48362375
...oh fuck me I'm probably going to regret saying this but... whatever your default durability is.

>>48362376
You realize there was a whole order of Sages and Witches, right? That the MCs belonged to those orders and are mostly as strong as they are due to how long they've been around/cheating with magical god eyes? Not to mention everyone starts somewhere.

I gave you the tools to work up to the level of the MCs, just like any member of the two orders would be given. More than enough tools, in fact. I really don't see how this means I should make you Eye-enhanced Bayo levels right out of the gate.
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>>48362462
so is the alley named for him?
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>>48362471
Do you have any videos of Jean? I want to compare the way an Umbral Witch who is strong because of training fights vs an Umbral Witch who is strong because of god eyes.
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Are the Devil Arm Arms from DMC sentient? Do I have to worry about my own arms betraying me?

>Do keep in mind that Devil Arms are sentient. They'll be obedient to you, since you were the one who kicked their ass, but if they get fed up with your crap, they'll try to get rid of you and make a physical body for themselves.

Also, what is "God Hand" based on?

Oh, and can I have two DAAs at least look like they're left/right counterparts?
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>>48362471
Do we see them fighting, though? The numbers/feats given in the jump are enough for me, but he might want to know what they look in acition.
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>>48361849
Loving Fun HELP

...the help is more related to my reaction around them.
I have Morrigan, Tharja, and Giffany.
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>>48362503
Bet you're glad for that companion immortality, huh?
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>>48362513
"Glad."
Also, I'm pretty sure after the first few times they'd just get... creative.
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>>48362513
>>48362513
>>48362534
Oh yes... I'm very glad....
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>>48362498
>>48362485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CMMDQBjGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdnNmLXwRfI
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>>48361849
Stealthy Shadow Fox
Gleeful Brawling Jackal
Thief Fire Moth
Thief Sound Dragon
Digital Hacking Spirit
Digital Commanding Spirit
Psychic Teleporting Dancer
Giant Wolf Knight
Devoted Ice Alien
Battle Loving Samurai
Explosive Librarian Angel
Stern Commanding Valkyrie
Glowing Metallic Spider
Giant Angry Spider
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>>48359932
So Sentient nature is impossible to price, meaning that you ban any attempt to replicate it outright? Why? Couldn't you just not offer it.
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>>48362548
Thanks.
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Anyone interested in Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth jump?

It's got enough of SMT esque plot and specific to itself abilities and creatures to have its own jump, the Digimon jump can't cover it.
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>>48362670
Go for it. Please. We need a good digimon jump.
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>>48362670
Make one. Any Digimon Jump would be better than the one we've got now.
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>>48362670
Personally, I'm always interested in more Digimon.
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What are the rules for alt-forms?
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>>48362693
>>48362700
Why don't we just scrap the current one if it sucks so hard?
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>>48362670
It's in a completely different universe, isn't it? I don't see why it couldn't happen.

I'm actually totally okay with the current Digimon jump, but fuck yeah more is better.
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Has anyone claimed an Arkham Series jump?
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>>48362607
Hopefully this clears things up.

>>48362601
Because in my experience, not offering something tends to get MORE complaints than offering a minor version. I just went with the lesser of two evils so I'm not drowned in constant cries of "back to being a nerfbitch".
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>>48362670
>Digimon with an SMT esque plot
Wait, what? Explain, how SMT are we talking about here? Like, full on "Oh God it's the fucking apocalypse" level?
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>>48362727
I think you mean the reverse that nerfed is worse than banning?

I mean if the second sentence is supposed to be the correct statement
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>>48362781
Yes.

The plot goes full on Devil Survivor at one point. And it's kinda early.
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Is there anything that allows me to combine warehouse attachments?
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>>48362781
It also goes regular SMT at some point in the game. As in, not spin off SMT vibe but proper SMT vibe.
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>>48362803
>>48362828
Jesus. That sounds like an interesting jump, actually. So, what, evil Digimon invasion? Virus? D-Reaper/Diaboromon level of "If they're not stopped we're all going to die"?
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>>48362817
Probably not, there are very few perks that let you manipulate fiat in any way and the entirety of the warehouse is pure fiat.
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>>48362817
'Base of Operations' in the Warframe jump when it's released will let you do so. In the notes:

>-For 'Base of Operations', you can choose to mix and match the aesthetics you have collected thus far like it says in the perk. Prefer the golden luxury of the Orokin, but still want that Infested incubation chamber? This perk will let you do the customization needed. This also means 'Base of Operations' will let you merge Warehouse Attachments together, saving space by putting the contents of your attachments in the same designated 'Attachment' of your choice.
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>>48361849
Last 8 companions used

Emotionally Damaged Witch
Paragon Jedi Master
Recovering Pyro Princess
Genetically Perfect Ass
Savvy Pirate Captain
Sensitive Dragon Lady
Shapeshifting Ninja Technomancer
Badass Super Soldier
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>>48362693
>>48362700
>>48362713
the one we have isn't bad, just kinda generic. Its all the digimon up till it was made mashed together. We could do with specific digimon jumps, especially with this new one being it's own setting.

rather like we could use some specific zelda jumps honestly.
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>>48362838
D-Reaper levels and villain like thing. You COULD consider it a Virus, too, due to what we see and its effects in Cyberspace

AND Digimon invasion, but... not limited to evil digimon.
It's the whole pantheon and the Royal Knights. You learn reasons

Also end of the world scenario being at stake.

And deaths in plot.
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>>48362548
>Glowing vagina
Ha
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>>48362846
So will this let me merge my numerous library attachments (among other things) while maintaining the properties of each?
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>>48362889

This won't spoil... too much. It appears in first moments of game.

Connected to the D-reaper like thing I mentioned.

These patterns? They should be animated, constantly moving in spirals and all.

Also, you fight Digital version of Satan + YHVH.
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>>48362889
>>48362913
Wow, that's-
>That image
What the HELL is that thing?! It looks like it belongs in an SMT game!
>That spoiler
>That everything
...that's really intense. Now I want to jump this for sure!
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>>48362937
It goes further.

THIS SPOILER concerns the thing I put image of, along with it happening like... 15-20% of game in.

View at risk:

It gets worse. When it eats enough of human data, it evolves.

And there's multiple of these


But the plot is pretty cool. Important part of it is that you're cyber sleuth. Due to a spoiler your mind-data, when logged into cyberspace, gained a half cyber form in real world. You can interact with real world and plug yourself into electronic devices Megaman EXE style
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>>48361849
>Spicy Hot Chicken
>Best Friend Tiger
>Intimidatingly Friendly Dog
>Extravagant Trickster Fox
>Morally Gray Otter
>Dashing, Excitable Crow
>Laughing Bird Girl
>Belligerent Demon Sword
>Too Smart Laptop
>Just Wants Petted
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>>48361849
Lifey Cake Heiress
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>>48362898
Look there's a reason I didn't talk much about the stuff they do.

>>48362907
It'll take time but... pretty much. Just don't expect the attachments to get bigger, hope you've got good Feng Shui.

>>48362785
No. No I don't. I have found that it is much easier on me and much less headache-inducing to offer a lesser version of something than it is to ban it completely and utterly. Any time I have banned something completely, it has caused shitstorms and complaints about how I'm "returning to being a nerfbitch" and how I'm suddenly the worst evar. In granting people a variant of the problem child, while hardcapping any workarounds to prevent the attempt from blowing up in my face, I've found that less people complain because while it's not the "I win" button it is in the setting, it's still got enough 'oomph' behind it to remain useful.

I know, it's weird. I offer a lesser version and it's okay, but completely ban something and it all goes to hell. I'm just going with the route that makes more people happy.
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>>48363002
>It'll take time but... pretty much. Just don't expect the attachments to get bigger, hope you've got good Feng Shui.

Would you be able to separate them after merging, or would it be a one-time deal?
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>>48362855
Those wouldn't fly, because the current jumps cover all of those.
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>>48362977
That sounds both really cool and absolutely terrifying. I presume by human data, you mean the mind data that exists while logged on to cyberspace? So some .hack stuff happens as well? Well, color me interested. I'm looking forward to this jump now! Going to have to bring in the big guns to deal with this, though. Hmm, if they eat data, robots are a no go. Perhaps Grimm? They're unique nature would mean that even if they were beaten they might corrupt the data these...Eaters? devour.
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>>48363041
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>>48362977
This game worth buying at it's current price?
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>>48363043
Also

Art style was done by guy who did Devil Survivor games
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>>48363038
One-time. That or I'd have to make it so once the attachments are separated, they're reverted to the state they were before you merged them to prevent any strange shenanigans.
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>>48363041
>>48362855
I could see it possibly (emphasis on possibly) working if you made them a sort of DLC jumps that require you to have gone through the current Zelda Jump.
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>>48363002
Personally I can't stand lesser versions. I generally make it my goal to use a method to gain the true version in the jump.
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>>48363063
Yeah, I noticed that, that's pretty neat. Guess they decided to go with a similar art style to fit the similar themes, eh?
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>>48363056
YES.

You won't get pre-order DLC digimon evolutions, but any other DLC is free

>>48363043
Ah... yes... I meant mind data, ahahah, yes.

Yes but not quite

These Eaters? They are... oh boy, something else entirely.
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>>48363041
Digimon jump doesn't cover any the X-antibody stuff or Xros Wars series.
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>>48363076
Thing is though, we never allow jumps that cover the same setting, in the same time period. A zelda jump for hyrule warriors could work, but nothing for OOT, WW, or anything like that, because they're already covered.

>>48363084
Then Xros Wars would be fine.
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>>48362855
>specific zelda jumps
Out of all of the Zelda games, I want a fleshed-out one for the CD-i games that's another one of those serious jumps of a joke setting.
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>>48363082
>pre-order DLC digimon evolutions
Oh fuck that game then.
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>>48363041
if by cover you mean glance and wink at, then yeah you are right. Kind of like the generic jumps cover rather a lot of ground.
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>>48363103
Generic jumps actually don't encompass any of the series they're aping, they take place in generic worlds inspired by them. The jumps like Digimon, Yugioh, and Zelda are a different breed, where they literally do take place in all those settings.
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>>48363102
They're just recolors. It's fine.
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>>48363103
>>48363093
>>48363076
Then find the guy who made the jump and ask permission before you even continue arguing here.
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>>48363091
I think the biggest thing we're missing out on by not having multiple Zelda jumps is that we can't do anything clever with the reincarnation system.

>because they're already covered.
I want to point out that we had a general DC jump that let you pick your continuity, but then we also ended up with Young Justice, Green Lantern, and a Dark Knight Trilogy. I believe Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Justice League are also in the works.

Maybe, if we did end up with multiple Zelda jumps, we could put in a line that you can't do a Zelda jump if you've already been there in the general one?
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>>48363102
It's only Black Wargreymon, Black Metalgarurumon, and the Virus Cherubimon.

Everything else you still got. It's literally the palette swaps that are pre-order
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>>48363066
You could have it so that the contents of the attachments are randomly distributed within their former constituents, maybe?
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>>48363127
Or you could shut up and go and do >>48363120 before you go any further?
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>>48363127
>I want to point out that we had a general DC jump that let you pick your continuity, but then we also ended up with Young Justice etc etc
That's because Cool Cats gave permission, and instated a rule that you couldn't go to that setting in the DC jump if you're jumping it.
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>>48363091
that's not entirely true. It's not entirely false either, but it's rather misleading. We have a Neverwinter jump which is technically covered by the Forgotten Realms jump. However, the FR jump is pretty much exactly that, a coverall for the realms, in other words a generic Forgotten Realms jump. The existence of the Neverwinter jump leaves us open for a Baldur's Gate Jump or an Icewind Dale Jump for example. This also means we should be able to have specific jumps in the Zelda settings glossed over by the Zelda jump and the same with the Digimon jump.
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>>48363078
Then I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed, because if I let the "true" version out it would easily be chainbreaking. Like, honest-to-gods break the chain wide open, and I don't feel comfortable making the jump the one-stop-shop for that sort of thing.

If others do it while writing their jumps I can't stop them, but not in my jumps.

>>48363136
That wouldn't really solve anything, just get people on my case that I'm making their attachments explode or something.
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>>48360953
>>48361433
>>48361503
Now, unless anyone wants something added or changed, I think I'm ready to begin work on formatting it into an Imaged PDF.
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>>48363093
>tfw no Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rupeeland jump
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>>48363120
But, we're not changing the original work?

Like, we're just making jumps that cover something that wasn't covered well in the jump?

That would be like saying no-one could make a Yotsuba jump because you can make it canon with the 0 CP drawback from Nichijou.
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>>48363148
Not true. The FR jump covers the tabletop setting, the NWN jump covers a videogame alt universe.
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>>48363158
Your making jumps of something covered by their jump, whether you think it was done well enough or not. I don't know why your protesting, given the author's support will make it far easier to get this accepted anyway.
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>>48363154
>There's no jump starring Tingle
Good.
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>>48363158
That's a bit different, because Nichijou doesn't include a roll or anything letting you go to Yotsuba. It instead has a crossover drawback.
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>>48359932
What perks would I need to take if I wished to fabricate my own warframes to be able to hand them out to some child soldiers? (Basically is there a way to become lotus?)
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>>48362706
Basically, if an origin gives you a non-human form, then you can choose to become that form post-jump.
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>>48363159
both are canonically the same universe actually along with the novels and the baldur's gate/icewind dale series of games(not counting the console baldur's gate which actually is an alternate universe for some unknown reason)
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>>48363154
>Tfw no Fantasy world Dizzy jump
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>>48363172
But you can go there, so it's covered by the jump in the same way the various Zelda games are supposedly covered by one jump. How is it different?
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>>48363173
Light of the Orokin, maybe buy a Warframe yourself as a base. If you want to help yourself out, the Project Zanuka item would be a boost. At least, considering Zanuka was made by dissecting Warframes alive and ripping pieces off of them, and the Tenno through their Somatic Link could feel it.

Anything more is just ways to speed up the process or empower them further.
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Rolled 264, 533 = 797 (2d605)

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>>48363209
The same reason that the worst drawback in Persona doesn't lock off all of SMT? It's not a jump for that setting, like Zelda is for the Zelda series it covers, it's just a drawback that brings them in. The fact taht you're still being so retarded about this instead of just going and getting permission then doing it is really making you seem like you're just shitposting.
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>>48363209
No, no it's not. It's a Zelda jump that covers all the Zelda games. Nichijou is a Nichijou jump that lets you make a crossover with Yotsuba, it doesn't actually have anything to do with it.
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>>48363209
You can go there more easily, even, since the Zelda jump has no destination cp override.
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>>48361849
The half man
punchy spy woman
One Punch Man
magic inventor Lady
most Magical supercomputer
Big mama Weezing
bladed not Edgy
God of Kitbashing
devil may cry
Super sniper son
Princess of pyromania
godlike bumbling lackeys
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>>48363214
Thanks red, that poor valkyr got so screwed up.
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>>48363226
You're claiming that the fact that you can go there in an extremely generic and general way means the jump covers them, but you're not saying why the roll makes it different than a drawback.

And the issue is that we CAN'T get permission because no one knows how to get in contact with the maker. The fact that you keep ignoring that issue and repeating the statement points to you being the shitposter.
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>>48363214
>That spoiler

...I haven't played much, but are their ANY good Grineer or Corpus, or can I go genocide their asses?
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>>48363291
Steel Meridian are pretty much the only good Grineer. Everyone else in the setting could use a good genocide or three.
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>>48361849
The Computer Wife
The Good Child
The Dead Sisters
The Zealot Choir
The Slutty Demons
The Young Sister
The Loyal Maid
The Lonely Friend
The Trusted Guardian
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>>48363226
look, we are here in the thread, talking. The Zelda jump has no name for the author, so it isn't like we can just go into the IRC and ask them(assuming they even hang there). If they have an opinion and are still around, they haven't stated their opinion or their wishes. Same for whoever created Digimon. Me, I'm not up for creating these jumps even with permission because I haven't any real skill at jump making. However, to make you happy, here goes.
Digimon Jumpmaker anon and Zelda Jumpmaker anon, how do you feel about people making specific jumps for specific zelda/digimon titles?
Not that I think it likely an answer will be given.
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>>48363291
Darvo and Clem.

They are amazing.
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>>48363149
You're just a bad jumpmaker. Fuck off and stop ruining settings with your shit nerf jumps.
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>>48363291
But don't you know? Corpus will make the system great again.
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>>48363314
Don't forget John Prodman
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>>48363300
>Only Steel Meridian
>Not including Clem
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>>48363266
I know you're a moron but please stop ignoring things to suite your argument. The zelda jump was made to cover all the zelda series that it does, just because you're dissatisfied with it doesn't mean it doesn't cover what it does. All those series now have a jump that covers them. Being mentioned in a drawback is not the same as having a jump for that series. Just being able to go to a particular setting from one jump does not cut it off, else we'd have just one Marvel and one DC jump and Ranma with it's fanfiction drawback would block hundreds of settings. What cuts a setting off is having a jump made for it. Most Zelda settings have a jump for them, the one we have. Yotsuba does not have a jump that covers it, just a drawback that lets you go there from Nichijou.

And if the author isn't here? Tough shit, nothing happens. That's how it's worked. Maybe you can get lucky and the jump is so widely reviled that you manage to get accepted by the thread like Neverwinter Nights was.
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>>48363315
>You're just a bad jumpmaker.

Come on now you can at least put in some effort! Theres not even any bsit on that hook!
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>>48363336
>implying Clem is Grineer
>implying Clem hasn't transcended Grineer and become Clem and only Clem
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Is the
>BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER.
rule a good enough reason to report him? I herd that some people got the worse end of it for reporting him in the past.
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>>48363291
Wait, also shit. Steel Meridian and the Perrin Sequence as groups are good folks.

>>48363330
Fuuuck, forgot about that.

>>48363315
>pic related
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>>48363310
Actually, they did have a name but I don't believe they signed their jumps. I do think they posted with a name, so you should be able to find it if you search the archives.
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>>48363352
It's not 'bait', it's truth. Every single setting she touches, she turnes to shit. She's almost as bad as mib.
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>>48363378
Come on shitposter, we hate you but this is just sad. If you are going to harass the namefags please at lest be clever with your insults.
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>>48363310
>>48363369
Isn't it a jump Clover made? Same text style he used to use and formatted the same way I reckon.
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>>48363347
like ignoring that most video games set in the forgotten realms are cannonically set in the same world as the pnp game and the novels? Thus meaning your argument states that the Neverwinter jump can't exist? Noone wants that interpretation to be accurate, not even the people that like the FR jump.
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>>48363347
>Just being able to go to a particular setting from one jump does not cut it off, else we'd have just one Marvel and one DC jump and Ranma with it's fanfiction drawback would block hundreds of settings
>What cuts a setting off is having a jump made for it. Most Zelda settings have a jump for them, the one we have
If you're going to make shitty arguments, at least don't contradict yourself. How is DC's "you can go to any point in DC continuity" different from Zelda's "roll for your setting?"
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>>48363364
>reddit filename
kys
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>>48363397
>>48363369
Rukipedia made the Zelda jump. I have their skype name, I could try to see if there can be a solution found.
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>>48363398
Another person who can't read? One might think that says something about the people who want to push this through and their intelligence.

You'll notice what I said at the end of my post right? Neverwinter Nights got through because FR was so hated, this whole argument? Never came up then. Except when you two raised the idea, look at the opposition that sprung up?

>>48363402
The author gave permission, like I've been telling you to get this all time. Please at least read the arguments made against you if you're going to try arguing.
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>>48363397
which one? and is clover still around? Also, they have been asked (though not by name) in this thread, they can say yay or nay, however unlikely it is that they are still around
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>>48359932
I only have one question:
Will we be able to companion Space Mom?
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>>48363390
Why change what works? We keep responding to the same shit.
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>>48363433
Zelda. Yes. That doesn't mean you can't put in the effort to find out yourself, given you're the ones that want this.
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>>48363364
>elf girls with penises
The fuck?
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I usually don't get into this but uh...

>>48363378
>pic related

>>48363402
Well...I mean, I feel like we DO have precedent for this.
The Gundam jumps.
We had an overall "Mobile Suit Gundam" jump covering the settings not very well, and now we have the series split up into a number of really nicely-made jumps that allow you to take a single mobile suit across hundreds or thousands of CP's worth of imports

So. That'd be neat to see with Zelda.
But I can see why replacing it outright seems not-smart.
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>>48363451
Looks like she got that pic off of Spacebattles or Reddit, I knew that this wasn't her home site.
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>>48363364
>(((Perrin Sequence)))
>good
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>>48363445
Incest is wrong anon.
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>>48363458
And guess what? The Gundam jumps were split up by the bloody author himself. So sure, if he's the author he can use that precedent. Otherwise? Learn what you're talking about first before posting.
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>>48363447
Because if he is never going to fuck off he should at least have the decency to make his shitposting entertaining, I can't remember that last time he had an insult with more thought put into it than "Red sucks, she should leave".
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>>48363462
>home site
God, do we have to start with this meme?
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>>48363451
It's from most likely when the Conduit thread was around I remember this being posted alot when that thread existed and in CYOA general.
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>>48363468
Under your logic, shouldn't we only have one Final Fantasy jump? They're about as closely related as the Zelda jumps.
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>>48363445
Yes I put in notes and set it up so you can companion Space Mom.

>>48363451
>>48363462
Edit from the original Conduit comic, it's hosted on imgur bur whatever you guys wanna tell yourself.
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>>48363458
Wait, how can an opinion be ghoulish? I mean, a person can be ghoulish, whether to describe their appearance or character, an action can be ghoulish, but how can an opinion be ghoulish? Genuinely curious.
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>>48363419
>Red can contact her.
>First thought

Red is now the key master[/spoiler[
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>>48363467
Then why does it feel so right?
Daily reminder that none of your background mothers or sisters are actually related to you
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>>48363347
>Most Zelda settings have a jump for them, the one we have.
I dunno, the 0 CP drawback in Nichijou is about as close tho representing the setting as the jump is for representing each individual Zelda setting.
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>>48363491
Just leave already, we don't need any more of your cancer.
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>>48363427
So, you can't read? Just hating something doesn't invalidate it by your own earlier arguments. Except apparently when it does. You said to some anon that just because the digimon jump was bad didn't mean it could be end arounded, now you say that the FR jump was for the same reason. Anon, you are trying to have your cake and shit in it too.
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>>48363468
Gundam did the first one?
That's news to me. In that case, yeah, that's not the precedence needed then. It seemed a lot different, at least the first jump, but I guess someone's style can change that much pretty shortly.
Still, I definitely think that (especially with author permission that seems to be the thing that's actually possible now) it's definitely a plus to split 'em up for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
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>>48363499
But that's forbidden love! IT'S NOT RIGHT!
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>every Jumpmaker is driven off one by one
>Jumpchain dissolves into squabbling, bitching, and memes
>finally gets removed from /tg/
>anon sits back in his chair and smiles
>finally, the cancer is gone
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>>48363509
I would rather like you to leave since you aren't contributing to the thread in any meaningful way.
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>>48363515
>with author permission that's actually possible now
I just no that people are going to accuse Red of lying no matter what the answer to this is.
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>>48363419
I don't know if any of the idiots arguing here are actually willing to make any zelda jumps, but definitive word would probably at least end the argument.

Well, probably not, but I can dream can't I?
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>>48363512
>you are trying to have your cake and shit in it too.
Well, you know. You can technically do that. I wouldn't, myself, but there's nothing really stopping you...
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>>48363493
Probably by being held by people or persons who are ghoulish?
That's the simplest description that comes to mind.
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>>48361849
Proper Companions:
>Saber Moon Princess
>Ultimate Electric Senshi
>Metal As Fuck
>Redhead Teen Spy
>Sexy, Frosty, Sociopath.
>Hair Hair Hair
>Better Than Emma
>20 Epic Bros

Pods:
>Pirate Dragon Queen
>Student Council President
>Golden Meguca Tits
>Spunky Acrobatic Girl
>Ultimate Electric Princess
>Ace of Tokiwadai
>Pervert Teleporter Loli
>Busty Spiral Sniper

Feathered:
>Also Moon Princess
>Master: All Elements

Demon Weapons:
>Six Shipgirl Planegirls
>Three More Senshi
>Redeemed Yandere AI
>Intelligent Device Mitsuko

Non-companion companions:
>Comedy Trash Robot
>Best Metal Band

Overflow Companions:
>Power Armor Platoon
>Ancient Wizened Sifu
>Menial Labor Robot
>Magic Guardian Cat
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>>48363534
You're boring. Stop being boring.
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>>48363515
That boy is clearly from JoJo, and yet he is neither fit nor fabulous. He is required to be at least one.
In order to fix this serious error, I must...AWAKEN MY MASTERS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM
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>>48359932
Just confirming, if you get Mindful Transference you can use your Warframe without your real body going in a pod?
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I just want to say that I think Jumpchain would be in much better shape if we had set rules in place as to when a jump can or cannot be rewritten way back when we were in our earliest stages.
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>>48363540
true, but it's a prelude to a rather scatavore thing to do.
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>>48363534
>that people are going to
>that shitposter is going to
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>>48363451
Some people liked to try and push that as how the inhabitants of Rim breed, and fetish posted about it all the time. You know how it is.

I think the latest version of Conduit has them breed through parthenogenesis instead of sexually, to kinda avoid those people spamming it up. Didn't stop them, but hey.
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>>48363547
His posing is pretty dope, though.
>>48363556
Kinda late for that, unfortunately. And getting anything resembling a solid consensus on it without people crying "namefag", "bait anon", "limitwanker""powerwanker" etc and just general asinine factionalism would be pretty hard
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>>48363534
>>48363498
>>48363537
Or the alternative can be asking Rukipedia to post with their answer? That way there's no room for error? I mean that was my plan anyway, no point leaving any room for doubt.

>>48363553
Probably could, yeah. Or just look at the post-jump options for what you do with said Warframe.

>>48363509
I have not yet begun to cancer.
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>>48363537
I honestly get the vibe they're arguing for more Zelda jumps purely just to cause trouble, rather than out of any desire for them.
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>>48363581
>Conduit
What is this thing? Where can I find it? Do I want to?
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>>48363556
We do. The rule is that a completed Jump can't be rewritten unless the author gives permission, and you can only have one Jump per setting unless there's a clear delineation between the media. Anything else is just trying to chip away at that.

Which is why it's become frowned upon to make a Jump too broad over a setting that does have clear delineations between the media. Zelda is extremely broad, so it chews up more setting real estate than it needs to.
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>>48363610
I remember this chart.
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Does great responsibility come with great power? Are you obligated to try and save worlds using your out-of-contextness?
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>>48363610
>Red is Dick Dastardly
I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN!
Do you actually twirl your mustache, or was that just a urban legend?
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>>48363610
>cancer
>crabs
Red making a Deadliest Catch jump confirmed?
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>>48363614
Think of it like a limited jumpchain where you can travel to a small set of OC settings instead. It's pretty neat, and I like both despite some weirdos trying to make it into a rivalry (despite Conduit not even having an active community now.)

Anyway, check out 1d4chan's article on it, since they have all of them hosted.
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>>48363632
kys fucking beta nu-male millennial fucking libtard subhuman fucking cuck
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Why or Why dont you have a cool bike
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>>48363489
Final Fantasy doesn't have ANY jumps that let you roll to start in them.

Also, all but one were made by two people coordinating together to cover all the games.
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>>48363621
Maybe. It depends on why you think Jump-Chan picked you. In my nightmares, she sends me home because I've resolved too many settings' major conflicts without bloodshed, which means I've made things boring for her.
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>>48363653
Because bikes are shit.
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>>48363612
Personally, I would like to see more Zelda jumps and get no joy out of the arguments occurring on here. I won't make any jumps, but that is due to a lack of time and skill for jumpmaking, not a lack of desire for more jumps.
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>>48363621
My motives are my own, and they tend to vary by the Jump.

I have to ask myself "what's the easiest way to create the outcome I want?" and "what are the means by which I can do this that the setting in general will be willing to accept?"

For instance, slaughtering thousands of Imperial troops and breaking Esdeath's spine is something that, by the general morality of Akame Ga Kill, I could "get away with" and still be considered "good" by the people there, so it's on the table. Something like that is NOT, however, on the table in, say, Mega Man - so I'm not going to kill Wily.

So, as the old /tg/ saying goes, "depends on the setting."
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>>48363619
I had to use it. I mean we're in autosage anyway.

>>48363632
No mustache to twirl, but I like to practice my evil laugh.

>>48363637
Nay, for I am hunting the most deadly game of all. Jumpers.
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>>48363650
Kys kys to you too, sexy thing.
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>>48363621
Only if the world's ending and there's no one else to save it or someone's bleeding out on my front lawn or there's some segment of the world I'd really like not to be torn apart.
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>>48363621
It was lots of fun teaching demons and angels why the shouldn't pick on those weaker than them in SMT.
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>>48363662
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>>48363615
which is why it should be declared generic zelda so that more specific zeldas can also be had.
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>>48363653
I grew up watching Terminator 2 and saw parts of Akira.
So of course I had to have at least a couple cool bikes.
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>>48363621
No. partially out of having too many stories and times where intervention kind of fucks everything up, partially because of the lack of power to alter worlds in a timely manner except through the introduction of combat waifutron technology, and partially because I plainly don't give a damn about a lot of worlds at this point of time
I'm no savior, but I'm not exactly trying to cause trouble either
I'm just here to party.
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>>48363676
>Hunting jumpers
Australia written like it's a death-world joke jump when?
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>>48363653
Because it was apparently a critical part of ninja training in GI Joe.
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>>48363615
That's not a 'rule'. It's general consensus. The Dresden Files remake was accepted, despite BrownieinMotion never declaring it a wip or handing it off to anyone. If you're a somewhat not hated namefag who has made decent jumps you could get away with it after maybe 2 threads worth of shitstorms like Wild Card.
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>>48363708
That jump cost us a lot more than just shitstorms, anon. I don't think anyone wants to repeat it.
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>>48363708
Old Dresden was totally a WIP. It got put in the drive because we were bad at archiving back in thread double digits when it came out.
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>>48363621
If one is able to do something good, but chooses not to, what does that make them? If you could save that one clone from being killed by some cackling vector manipulator effortlessly or cast a memory spell to give some boy his memories of a certain magical Index back, why don't you?

I get it, some people don't want to, its a hassle. But thats how I go through my chain, I genuinely just want to help people, my post-spark goal of everything is to help as many people as possible.
Yes, to save the lives of the innocent, I will use everything in my arsenal.
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It's hilarious how fast Red's team of white knights come out to set up a circlejerk whenever anyone actually calls her out on her bullshit.
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>>48363732
It cost us one Jumpmaker who kept threatening to leave anyway. I'm not going to shit on her like some anons, but I think she just was waiting for an excuse.
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>>48363736
>why don't you?

Because then said cackling vector manipulator kills ME effortlessly.

Fear is your ally. Caress it. Embrace it. And once you are beyond them? The ones who placed it in your heart? Then and only then can you have your vengeance. Only fear can keep you alive long enough to do so.
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>>48363736
>Something something why don't you put the whole world in a bottle
Are you obligated to spend the entirety of your existence in the service of others? Is there a point where that's no longer true? At what point do you say to yourself that your right to enjoy yourself outweighs your responsibility to help a kid that dropped their ice cream?
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>>48363755
>using the term white knight unironically
It's time to stop posting.
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>>48363621
If I or my team always save the day for the locals, then how are they going to take care of themselves when I'm gone? I'm not saying I won't get involved and yes, sometimes I derail the crisis entirely. But I can't babysit them forever.
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>>48363787
When the utility you create for the world by doing good is outweighed by the disutility you suffer by ignoring your own wants, then you may rest.
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Question, how do the Overlord and SMT jumps compare, power wise? I've seen Ainz and the other members of Nazarick pull off some incredible feats, but I heard that SMT was nothing to sneeze at either.
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>>48362548
You can play hot potato with missiles? Awesome!

Jumping while missile surfing is also impressive.

Can we learn to summon motorbikes/other vehicles or is that something unique to Jean?

I saw videos of some of the stuff Lumen Sages can do, but do they have their own version of the giant summon Umbra Witches can do? Not the hands and feet, they (or at least Baldr) seem to use feathers instead, but the giant whole demon form Bayonetta uses against the giant bosses.
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>>48363755
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>>48363814
Well, that's why you should always take some good infrastructure, teaching, and society-building perks. Set up the locals with methods to deal with those kinds of problems on their own.
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>>48363841
Do lizards like toast?
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>>48363841
How did you get all these reaction images?
Every time I run into a reaction image thread, most of them are repeats.
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>>48363695
That sounds cool, rule 1.
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>>48363852
that one must, otherwise he wouldn't think it a good apology gift.

captcha likes it too, it asked for bread.
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>>48363858
r/funny, probably
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>>48363840
I think that might be unique to jean and be a demon of some sort.
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>>48363826
>tfw optimal happiness involves conquering the world in a bloody war
>The massive disutility created during the war is fantastically overshadowed by the utility created by the utopia you'll build on the ruins of the old world
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>>48363780
I did say if you could do it effortlessly. A reasonably seasoned jumper would have no issue saving a clone with super speed or giving accelerator an armor piercing speech. If one is not able to save someone, and this doesn't save them, thats fine, you cannot fret over what you couldn't change.
But if I could do something to help people, I will take it, even if It risks my chain. I wouldn't push this on to people, this is your own story going on, so to each his own.

>>48363787
Lets not get extreme buddy. I'm willing to help people, and Im willing to enjoy myself while not being in the service of others. However, I do enjoy helping people, but thats beside the point.

I can't fret over stuff like spilled milk, but shit like the endlessly massacring of clones who's negative emotions inevitably push towards one singular being and bring them to insanity? I will help, I don't care. It's no obligation, jumpers could very well let canon run it's course, but I don't because I want a haply ending, I want to look back and go "I did something good for a change".
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>>48363895
Meden Agan
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>>48363610
>Red REALLY starts shitposting

I am okay with this.
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>>48363901
This optimist.
It hurts.
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>>48363886
Probably Imgur, actually. I just saw the lizard there.
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>>48363847
In the process you also uplift people that will use what you give for ill. You can end up causing just as much evil from good deeds/intentions as evil ones.
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So when did you give up, /jc/?

Cut your losses and leave somebody else's problem as somebody else's problem?
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>>48363958
Forever.
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>>48363934
Why does it hurt, anon?
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>>48363852
Those look like iguanas to me, and they're herbivores so... maybe? I know they eat a lot of fruit and leafy things but I guess grains could work for some of them.
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>>48363952
There are perks for that too.
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>>48363978
Because I am a very cynical person.
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>>48363840
You could probably learn to summon motorbikes with Magical Works. Lumen Sages have their own version of summons, yes. They summon the the Angel bosses.

>>48363852
Clearly they do.

>>48363858
>>48363886
My resources and connections are vast. As is my cancer.

>>48363932
Don't you know? I am the sum of all evils. The anti-fun. Herald of all that is hateful, the maestro of maladies, the sorceress of salt. Many are my Records of Rage. When all your blood vessels pop from the aneurysms and your skin shrivels from desiccation, the last moments of light snuffed from your vision as you awake to burning meat and crying anons... you will truly understand I am everything wrong with Jumpchain, and that wherever there is cancer you will find me.

Now excuse me as I retch. Holy shit that felt too egocentric and annoying.
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>>48363985
True, to a point. Without perfect Precognition of all possible outcomes and variables (read true omniscience) post spark when everything unfreezes things can go wrong with your plans that could make things worse. Free will is a bitch.
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>>48363621
I don't have responsibility, but I do end up choosing to help most of the time. It's not like I have any reason not to, since I can't really get any wealthier, so why not start my own charity? I don't use all of those Energy Collectors/ Antimatter Relays, so why shouldn't I use them to give people food and water? I have a lot of time on my hands and a lot of power, so what kind of person would I be if I didn't put a little bit into helping people?
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>>48363610
Aren't the post jump options 'use it as armor' or 'keep using it from the pod'?

The perk says you can use it and your real body at the same time, but if the real you has to be sitting in the pod then that's a lot less impressive than I thought it was.
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>>48363934
Trust me, I was always made fun of in life,and during chain for this attitude. But it keeps me going forward. Of course it's also what people will abuse. Enemies think I'll let them off the hook, that I'm weak. When they thought they could take what I loved away from me, the actions that took place left even the combined forces of Hell and Heaven quaking in their boots after I asked them to meet up and have some tea at a little shop . It's part of my character arcs, finally taking charge, doing something because I wanted to do it, rather then doing what I "should" had done.
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>>48364031
>spoiler
So, one could say you are, retched?
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I've only ever played Skyrim a little, ans that was mostly hitting shit with an axe. Can someone explain to me how Elder Scrolls magic works and what it can do?
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>>48364031
Oh, right. They have full on summons. Silly me.

Thanks!
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>>48363958
I haven't. I don't plan on just coasting along doing nothing because it's inconvenient later, either.
>>48364031
Well I think you're pretty great, Red.
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>>48364082
Mmm. I might take a look at that then, because I had made the 'pod' end-option that way so it wasn't a "stay out of danger forever" sort of option. It was a remote body, but not just another 'you' that you could send off and use all the jumper powers with while you twiddled your thumbs. This way it was a good option for remote combat, but not an 'I Win' card.

I'll take another look to see what I can do.

>>48364101
...yes.

>>48364117
Yes, yes they do.

>>48364121
You are probably the only one of us who thinks that.
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>>48363734
I'm calling bullshit. Everyone jumped it and treated it like it was complete. People complained about its quality, that was it. The only evidence of it being wip was Brownie's stated intention to eventually add to it. So yeah, it was 'incomplete' in the same that the Jojo jump is incomplete. Should that also be replaced?
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>>48363958
When protagonist X cannot see that protagonist Y is into them.

Way too often is it a theme in some worlds at it is very hard to get them to see it.
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>>48364132
Jojo is complete, it's supplement however is not.
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/jc/ music night
Something that fits your Jumper, or is just nice to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duWTfl4MJ1c
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>>48364116
Well, it works by mages absorbing a substance called "Magicka" from the environment. Magicka is an energy that leaks in from the setting's equivalent of the astral plane, and mages can also store some of this inside them.

As far as what it can do? I think it'd be easier to say what it can't do. I don't think it can time-travel, but I may be wrong. It does have some pretty versatile soul and matter manipulation effects in the conjuration/mysticism and alteration schools, respectively.
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>>48364131
>Spoiler

Who is this us? Have you and several others been joining minds to make a collective?
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>>48364131
If by us you mean the greater Jumper, I think that's been systematically proven wrong countless times. If you mean between you and I, take another hug, and a less objective, but just as true, statement that you're wrong.
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>>48363958
Pretty much whenever I think they can handle it.
I mean, I want to help and I'll help when people need help, but I also believe people should solve their own problems.

Call me when there's blood.
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>>48364131
I, random anon #7547118, also agree that you're pretty cool.
By the way, if you don't mind me asking, how's BC coming along? Everything going semi-smoothly?
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>>48364133
>When protagonist X cannot see that protagonist Y is into them.

That's why you play Cupid.

With a Gun.

Seriously you know how much of a pain it was to arrange Cordelia and Chrom to just date? Holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck the set ups I had to do
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>>48364116
Use wise, you channel magic into your hand as a spell, and throw, shoot, touch or otherwise release it. Damaging spells are mostly in the Destruction school of magic, healing is in Restoration etc. Conjuring is calling forth a Daedra (demon) in the shape of an item or as the actual creature, Necromancy gets rolled into Conjuration for some reason.

Beyond that just look on a wiki at spell lists.

You get mana (magicka) over time, in jump you gather it from the environment, or use potions. Post jump fiat replaces the environment but potions still work.

It's not the best magic system out there, but it has some uses. Alteration has a spell that can can turn Iron Ore into Silver Ore, and Silver Ore into Gold Ore (maybe ingots too, I forget).

Runes can be placed as a spell to blow up when enemies get near.

You can trap souls into Soul Gems and use the soul and gem to enchant items to make them boost stats, do better damage, or even be heavier or lighter.

Somehow they can also be used to make magical sentry turrets, but no game has shown how to do that that I'm aware of.

If you get the Thu'um you can shout specific words to do magic, which can be cool when you Shout at time to slow down and it does, or you Shout someone on fire.
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>>48361849
I'll jump in on this. End of thread anyway.

>Snarky Disapproving Fluffball
>Squeaky Fun-sized Wife
>Kuudere Dollface Meido
>Cuddly Blind Ride
>Hyperactive Albino Ship
>Mothering Amazon Carrier
>Frilled Dandere Diver
>Forgettable Clicky Squidy
>Angsty Armed Teenager
>Foxy Blue Telepath
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>>48364164
No time travel in normal magic, though there are ways and things that can do so. 'Time travel' involves breaking the dragon and rendering time non-linear either planet-wide or in a localized area, and is generally very bad because it's not controlled or consistent and involves multiple simultaneous events and timelines happening and not happening all at once, and various retcons and such to reality. Literal grandfather paradoxes and such.
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>>48364162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOEsEmI6X9s
I cannot even begin to tell you how fun/awesome it is to be a Kamen Rider. It's even better when I get to Rider Kick in the faces of some of the nastier villains in the chain. You should have SEEN Medusa's face, especially since this was right after we had helped Crona and foiled her plan to revive Asura, while making absolutely sure she wouldn't escape.
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>>48364188
>It's not the best magic system out there, but it has some use

This is a bit more dismissive than I intended: It's an awesome magic system, especially once you get beyond game mechanics.

It does have limits though, and just personally I really dislike the whole 'using souls to enchant items' thing.
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>>48364203
Well, yes; but as far as I'm aware, that stuff is only relevant in-setting.
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>>48364188
It can do a lot more than that outside of gameplay.
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>>48364168
>>48364169
>>48364178
Let's not kid ourselves. I may have gotten a bit better with the jump material I've made over the years, but I'm far from the best person in this community. There's no shame in admitting it.

As for BC... well. I'm saving it until this jump is done, and then I swear by the Warp I am going to burn through as much as I can.
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>>48364162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaBfVeJ3i4
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>>48364230
Yeah, as I said >>48364217 it has some good stuff.

Unfortunately beyond a few things enemies do I don't really know what else it can do.
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>>48364241
>Spoiler
You don't have to be the best to be good. You do jumps that, even if I personally think are fluffed/described a bit oddly, are good. I think they're good anyway.
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WIP Intermission chapter for those following my Worm writefaggotry.

http://pastebin.com/nriX2VMv
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>>48364241
>going to burn through as much as I can.
Just don't burn yourself out.

Even if you're not "the best" you are top tier. At least in my books.
Also, you have not denied the collective minds idea. So how long until the first Jumpchain Cube is ready to assimilate the internet?
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>>48364164
>>48364188
Okay, thanks.

Any idea what kinds of things you'd be able to do with Master of the Arcane for the various schools?
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>>48364241
Did I say that you're the best, or that I think (note that you can't contradict me on this, because free will) a great person and Jumpmaker, and there's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.
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>>48364241
This >>48364276. Seriously, you are a lot better than you think you are. Even if you don't think you are.
>>48364304
>Second spoiler
I'd say at least three to four years, fifteen years tops. This is accounting for how lazy and easily distracted we all tend to be.
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>>48364304
Exactly one week real time after we return to this world. It's step 3, after the conference and temporary reintegration into society, and before the beginnings of economic takeover. Didn't you get the memo?
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Jumpers, have you ever taken a fanfiction drawback, then choose a fanfiction starring someone from "our" world, and just...messed with them? Like, not even hurt and hindered them, hell maybe you even helped them, but just in general messed with them and their heads?
Like going to Dreaming of Sunshine and telling Shikako, "Hey, cool lightsaber." or maybe "By the way, digging the Gelel stone necklace." Something like that. Maybe both.
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>>48364293
...When will Tabi meet Bitch?
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>>48364426
Give it time.
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>>48364424
No. Is it bad that I want to do this now? Because I'm totally going to.
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>>48363621
It's a choice. Going to these worlds gets me cool powers and stuff, so I like to help them out.
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>>48364445
OTP hype.
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>>48363621
>Does great responsibility come with great power?
Not if you're a Libertarian.
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>>48364392
No, I didn't get it. I'm not surprised though. I'm probably not cool enough to be assimilated. That's fine. I'll just make my own collective. With blackjack... and hookers.
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What are some good early chain jumps for companions?
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>>48364476
For getting them or for empowering them?
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>>48359637
You know what happens if you have more than one waifu by now.
I'm done trying to prevent this tragedy from occuring
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>>48364476
LoT.
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>>48364476
Undertale, RWBY, JoJo, Pokemon of course, and Kamen Rider Neo-Heisei, though you may want to jump the Showa Kamen Rider jumps first, not only because doing it in order is a good idea, but because the scenarios offer a bunch of awesome companions, but you can only use Kamen Rider perks in them.
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>>48364162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHVEqsyitwE
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>>48364492
Getting them.
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>>48364497
>but you can only use Kamen Rider perks in them.
...Wouldn't that be a good reason to do that *last* of the Kamen Rider jumps?
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>>48364495
>You know what happens if you have more than one waifu by now.

Kids, smoking, a desire to raid the fridge?
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>>48364509
Neverwinter Nights.
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>>48364511
Correction, the scenarios in Neo Heisei only allow you to use Kamen Rider perks

Unless its the scenariOOO then its optional but even then
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>>48364525
Oh, right, I follow.
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>>48364495
Lesbian Harem Variety Pack?
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>>48364511
That's...that's why I said do the Showa Kamen Rider jumps first, anon.
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>>48364509
People seem to like Jibril in NGNL, There are Sekirei in Sekirei, Digimon has Digimon, Sword Art Online has Klein who seems to be pretty popular, and Sherlock Holmes has a good OC Option.
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>>48364522
Doesn't that force you to be the protagonist in one of the plots?
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>>48364495
Is it muscle fatigue? I'm betting it's muscle fatigue.
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>>48364554
Nah it's obviously Mental fatigue.
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>>48364509
Tooting my own horn a bit, but Angelroids from Lost Property are meant to be easily assembled into a party. If you can tolerate/survive the drawbacks, Ikaros can almost singlehandedly carry you through most mid-to-high level jumps if there's no conceptual or magical shit happening.

Aside from my own jump, personal favorites of mine for companions include LoK, Darkstalkers, and FF14. How survivable these are largely depend on how ambitious or greedy you are, though.
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>>48360283
It's like you know exactly what we want
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>>48363149
You don't have to make it actually purchasable. Just don't offer it or ban it. When was the last time someone honestly gave you shit for not banning something?
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>>48364575
>LoK
?
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>>48361849
>Ultimate Sadistic Baker
>Gentle Psychic Waifu
>Inhuman Clothes Loli
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>>48363229
Speaking of which, would that mean creating a Zelda jump based off of Breath of the Wild would be cool since it isn't in the Zelda jump? Wait, was Spirit Tracks even included?
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>>48364600
Legend of Korra, sorry. I remember it has an OC companion option that lets you make them from the ground up. Having an element Bender is always fun.
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What would a Winx Club Jump even look like?
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>>48364623
Covered in god damned sequins I would imagine.
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>>48364623
I imagine lots of pastel and sparkles and curly fonts. Sounds terrible.
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>>48363621
I don't set out to save worlds, I just help the people the I like, fuck with the people I don't, and do bad things to bad people.

But then there was the time in Kingsman where I let the Valentine kill off most of the population. I was curious to see if the world would actually be better for it.

Does that make me chaotic good or neutral?
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>>48364614
Yes, games like Breath of the Wild, Hyrule Warriors, and that one where Link plays dressup would go through without any issue.

I don't remember if it lists Spirit Tracks, you'd have to look.
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>>48364623
Well, let's see. There would be four back grounds, probably, Drop In, Hero(Can't remember the academy's name but that was their theme), Winx member, and Witch. I think Drop In would be based off that creepy demon guy, what was his name? Lord...Dark or something like that? So that would be-
>>48364648
>>48364638
O-oh, that's what you meant. Yeah, probably something like this.
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>>48364553
Only if you take a drawback making you do so.
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>>48364660
Lord Darkon?

Also, I think the Heroes (Specialists?) were at a school called Red Fountain.
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>>48364590
You know what people HAVE given me shit for attempted banning of? Infinity Stones from MCU, artifacts from Indiana Jones, Bayo's Eyes of the World... I can go on.

It's not the occasional shit I get for not banning something because I didn't give the full version, it's the much more prevalent shit I get when I DO try to ban something.

>>48364586
>mfw my crowning achievement will be giving armored jumpers amazing asses
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If I wanted to make a shut-in chain what would be some good perks for affecting the world without going outside?
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>>48360998
Fear not Anon for I have resumed work on my Panzer/Metal Waltz jump!
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>>48364713
Don't pretend you're not going to take that perk yourself.
Everyone wants an amazing ass.
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>>48364713
Have you tried not being an annoying nerf whore who makes shitty jumps?
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>>48364697
Huh I had actually stopped reading that jump when it said roll for plot, I am going to have to take another look.
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>>48364699
That's it, that was his name. So yeah, I guess Drop In would be based off of him? Wouldn't be the first time we had Drop In be the villain background, and as far as I remember he was some being from outside their dimension or something like that?
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>>48364759
If I remember, he was the opposite to the Dragon Flame thing Bloom had, where for one to exist, the other must also exist.
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>>48364660
>>48364759
I was being flippant since the thread's in its death throes. Honestly have never seen anything more than an advert for the show.
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Are Hedge Mages in Dragonlance Sorcerers?
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>>48364725
Anon I have only one important request
Unlimited Rations/Foodstuffs based on nationality
So much EXP food man
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>>48364660
Wasn't Annette going to do it?
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>>48364575
>most mid-to-high level jumps if there's no conceptual or magical shit happening

>most

How many mid-to-high levels jumps do we have that don't have either of those happening?
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>>48364790
Ah, then I suppose he wouldn't fit for a Drop In background then. Maybe a stand alone, undiscounted perk-
>>48364805
Oh. Nevermind then, I suppose it doesn't really matter in that case.
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>>48364713
>people
It's a single individual and I STRUGGLE to term it a 'person'.

>>48364723
Be a DnD wizard.
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>>48363621
Eh, I try to but that's really my thing. However there is a much more logical reason to try and do so. IF you are going to be living in a place for 10+ years do you want it to be a nice place or a hell hole?
I am not saying you have to go knocking down every big bad you encounter. Sometimes they can be contained and having them around keeps even worse people from rising to power.
However sometimes things rise up that if you let them continue will make the world a cesspool be it alien invasions, zombie apocalypses, or gangnam style; Things like these just make your stay suck so it really is better to get rid of them even if you have to abuse out of context powers.
It's not so much trying to be a hero it's just trying to have a tolerable place to live.
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>>48364834
I don't remember.

Was she?
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>>48364815
Some of them. Depends on the era.
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>>48364650
The former could fit chaotic good, but the latter is neutral dickish at most.
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>>48364836
...good point. I stand by the idea that Ikaros is worth the trouble if you need artillery, tho. Kind of a glass cannon, but still neat to have.
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>>48364851
Aren't the majority of D&D spells geared towards individual encounters more than anything else?
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>>48364834
All I remember was Annette working on W.I.T.C.H.
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>>48364182
You mean Sully and Chrom, right?
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>>48364881
Yeah, but lore and some spell wise there are all kinds of crazy rituals.
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>>48364883
>>48364859
Oh, those are different things?
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Devil Survivor jump.

On Atsuro Route, who does have access to Babel server? I mean, who authorizes others or grants them access to it? I don't think it's Atsuro and I want to be sure, before I lead the protags towards that ending.

Really, King of Bel without war on god would be best, as the access to server is in hands of MC. While some might call it dictatorship, like Atsuro did, his way just takes away free will from demons. They lose any say in it, don't get anything in return and become slaves.
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>>48364509
Your partner from PMD obviously.

Killing Bites gives you a free human/animal hybrid fighter if you pick the Manager background.

If you pick the Ranger background in Pacific Rim you can keep your drift partner.

Armed Scout Robot from Cave Story can get either a free custom companion or one of the game's protagonists.

Undertale's secret ending will let you companion Asriel
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>>48364881
The majority, maybe, but there are so many, many, *many* D&D spells and a lot of them are very good for larger scale stuff. If nothing else, you can make constructs/summon outsiders and send them to do stuff for you, or use a Crystal Ball with the thought-fuckery addon to scry on people and prod them to dance to your tune.
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>>48364723
Supreme Commander, for all your "cover an entire planet in killbots / engineerbots / whatever-tech-you-want from the cosy comfort of your ACU's cabin" needs. Heck, the right options in the jump would even allow you to cover entire systems from the cosy comfort of a starship that's not even in the same galaxy. Or you could just use the tech to project a small robotic avatar if armies aren't your thing.
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>>48364509
Generator Rex. You can create some really powerful companions and if you go Evo, with the right purchases you can become incredibly durable and have near perfect regeneration. It also has some nice science, combat, and leadership perks.
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>>48364723
Minion and leadership perks. You can be the power behind the throne(room) and delegate all the public speaking to your generals/flunkies.
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>>48364862
Do the normal mages work exactly like vanilla wizards (spellbooks, bat shit, and meditating to prepare spells, etc.)?
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>>48364907
Yeah, sort of. Winx is basically magical girl Harry Potter? Sort of? Where as W.I.T.C.H. is more Sailor Moon, except instead of space, it's different dimensions. If I recall correctly, the main characters were Guardians of certain elements, and I THINK reincarnations as well? Might be wrong on that one, been years since I've seen that series.
>>48364909
The government. The epilogue specifically notes that Japan becomes a millitary and economic superpower, even gaining a permanent seat on the UN security council. If you want Abel to have it instead, you better hurry up and make sure he kills and eats Jezebel, because usually she devours Amane's soul and escapes on that route. Remiel will be...reluctant to help, for obvious and admittedly fair reasons, but he'll ultimately take your side, and he cares for Amane. Maybe use that to convince him faster?
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>>48364740
I always thought Red's jumps were good. Maybe you could show me some of your jumps so I can see how it's really done?
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>>48364959
It's mostly wizards. D&D Sorcerers are actually pretty darn rare in Dragonlance - at least amongst the human and demihuman races. Which is most of the viewpoints in the books.
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>>48364987
What I'm asking is if the mages work the same mechanically as normal Wizards.
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>>48364723
Mage the Awakening Magic doesn't really know what the word "Range" means as long as you have a sympathetic connection, Overlord Summoning Magic is pretty nice, Geneforge would let you create monsters you can control within a large area, X-Men Technopathy works across the internet, and Dresden Files magic has a lot of good sympathetic magic.
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Can you choose what spells are in the filled 100 page spell book from Neverwinter Nights? If so could you choose D&D spells not included in Neverwinter Nights?
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>>48365002
Yes, they're normal wizards without the prestige class you have to take to be legal.
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>>48364962
I don't even understand how they became an economic superpower. Japan has no natural resources to exploit and I don't see how you could use demons in a service based economy without causing a bunch of problems with employment levels. I guess Japan could be rich with all the poor people living a life of abject poverty though.
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>>48365003
Yeah, but Paradox makes the whole system worthless.
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>>48364978
Stop feeding the troll.
It's like Simon Cowell; it bitches constantly about others, but has nothing even remotely resembling talent or skill.
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>Actually got more work done on Ninjago update and Age of Empires III scenario
>Hero 108 STILL in the "maybe" category because how do you even make backgrounds for that
>unsure of what to do for items in Battleborn, and I swear if I end up posting it in the same thread Overwatch jump finally gets posted in I will cry
>wondering if the old cartoon has enough material for a full Underdog Jump, in a "this is an idea I am entertaining" sort of way
>Wadanohara Jump still on hold while I ply the rest of the story to see if anything else on Sal's level happens
>waiting for Nexo Knights Season 2
>hoping nobody expects me to make the LEGO Dimensions jump
>inb4 "Huppermage update for Wakfu when?"
>but seriously you'll get it when I figure out how PDF's work, and if I'm going to do that I might as well make all the MMO-playable races free to choose between
>waiting to see if an update for OOTS is necessary

Also, since I feel like self-shilling tonight, tell me about your builds for Gear Up or Vandread, /jc/!
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>>48365009
Why not?

>>48365033
Japan actually has the fourth richest economy in the world, anon.
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>>48365009
Is it possible to get a D&D spellbook with an unlimited number of pages?
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>>48365044
How much fun is Age of Empires?
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>>48365058
It was the first RTS I ever played, so I'm a bit biased, but I always found the game fun.

I don't know if "found a colony in the New World: the Jump" will be fun for you, but hey, it's there.
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>>48365033
Apparently they get rich off of both the technology they can now make with WIZARD MAGIC TRICKS, and the fact that demons are apparently an awesome fuel source. Also, this >>48365045.
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>>48365044
Who is that cute girl?

Vandread:

Rolled Tarak/Buy Pluto (50)
Rolled 16
Mechanic (100)
Intuition (100)
Fixer Upper (Free)
Pilot Training (200)
Jury Rigging (100)
Paksis Proxy (400)
Uniform (Free)
Laser Ring (50)

This build is old and I don't remember anything about it.
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>>48365045
I know, but I don't see how throwing demons in the mix wouldn't cause internal problems with employment and workers rights. Even if it made Japan even richer, I can't help but feel things would get a whole lot shittier for humans who are being replaced with cheap demon labor.
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>>48365002
Yes. Spellbooks, material components, needing time to memorise their spells, all of that. The Dragonlance campaign setting was created way back in 1982 when Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (_first_ edition) was still a thing.
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>>48365048
Under 3.5 custom item rules you could probably craft such a book. There's also at least one book with infinite pages available as a CP purchase in a jump somewhere.
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>>48365069
Pic is http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_La , she's got a magic staff and a terrible attitude.
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>>48365044
Vandread was fun. Most of my points got sunk into We Are One and Paksis Proxy, so the build itself isn't that interesting. But I loved the anime, so I had a good time just wandering through the cosmos fighting Cube units. I was a lot like Rabat, an independent spacefarer who crossed paths with the Nirvana crew every so often. I saved some worlds, built up a fleet to fight the Cubes with, gattaied together all my best mecha, and in the finale gave a brutal critique of the Earthlings' methods and how idiotic the Red Paksis was being that was so harsh it shut the thing down from shame long enough for the Super Vandread and my mecha (I don't think I've ever actually named it, now that I reflect on it. I should fix that) to get into position to destroy it.

>>48365069
That's one of the villains from the old Tarzan cartoon, Queen La. She's who the Nkiruka companion in Lost Valley of the Dinosaurs is based on, so if you're interested...
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So I don't know who made the Steven Universe jump, but I think they may want to take a look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ3mk0qQSPQ
Corrupted Gems confirmed for being fixable.
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>>48365078
It probably will, given modern poverty is fundamentally a sociopolitical problem rather than an economic one.
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>>48364962
Now, see, I played Atsuro's route just now.

Jezebel doesn't devour Amane's soul there. Belberith devours Jezebel before it happens simply because he can't let you get closer to throne of bell and he's getting impatient.

Unless you are talking about what happens on King of Bel route since in such case I forgot

>>48365068
Honestly I am just considering having Abel, with my help, make it that Demon world is like another nation, and as a peace offering or such, we estabilish world wide harmonizer. Demons are employed and get jobs and education, while humanity learns all the magic and such and remain in either cold war with YHVH, alliance or we ignore each other.

Funny thing is how angels classify as demons. Who knows, maybe some would want to join such world actually. Some might. Remiel might help set up a student exchange program...

Demons would have easier time finding jobs due to being good power sources and having less physical needs than humans.

But I like idea of Pazuzu working in a japanese Subway. Or Yama working as a judge. Imagine that instead of the judge in Phoenix Wright!

But It would require proper discussions and negotations with UN council, but might work. Abel, as rightful ruler of "Demon nation" would make it work with enough help
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>>48365122
>Nkiruka
Isn't that girl black though?
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>>48365044
Hey, since you're around, Wakfu question: in the description for Eliotrope, says there're other abilities beyond opening portals and combining them for beamspam, but that we'll discover those later.

I'm not super familiar with the setting though. So, what else can eliatropes do?
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>>48365033
They are in an ideal location for trade and commerce, normally that same advantage would come with large military expenses (cough North Korea cough) but the US took over their military matters after WWII.

This is also why the Japanese government usually only pretends to care about the BS the US soldiers get up to in the areas around the military bases, it is just too much of an economic benefit for them to do anything about it.
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>>48364962
Oh wait, you meant that it is likely but not stated that Belberith eating Jezebel when she was within Amane fucked her up?
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>>48365133
So is La. She just looks paler in that shot due to the lighting.
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Recently watched Independence Day, anyone think that would be a good setting for a jump or not?
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>>48365036
If you have all the subtlety of a brick through a window, a complete aversion to spending mana, and can't deal with (at worst) a nasty demon after abusing Vulgar Magic several times, then I guess you might be right there.
>>48365125
Cool.
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>>48365152
That girl aint black unless you're using a one drop rule. No black girl would look like that until she's 80% white. That's not even getting into her hair and eye color.

Besides, Nkiruka has an ethnicity established, Nubian, and they don't look anything like that La chick.
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>>48365160
Fund it.
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>>48365058
Lots, the games haven't aged particularly well but at the time they were wonderful.
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>>48365138
Fly, project energy constructs including armor and weapons
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>>48365168
La is cartoon black, okay? Blame it on the Disney corporation for not feeling comfortable having an actual black person in their show set in Africa. She's definitely meant to be black, even if the art doesn't reflect it well.
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>>48364739
...fine. I updated the beauty perk so it also can give you a sweet ass by default if you seek it.
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Could a Sorc with the Copycat Technique from Ranma learn more spells by watching a wizard?
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>>48365205
Even making that argument, bro, La isn't gonna look anything like Nkiruka unless you assume that coming to a jump's setting changes the art style (and the character's design and proportions entirely in this case.) Completely different facial structure, skin tone etc etc. They wouldn't look remotely similar.
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>>48365132
>>48365148
I just got some of the routes mixed up, but yeah. Belberith ate Jezebel, and since Jezebel and Amane's souls were still tied up...well, remember how you can accidentally kill Amane while fighting Jezebel? Yeah.
Anyway, DS YHVH would actually consider an alliance, as long as you and Abel can make sure the demons play nice. He's fairly reasonable, and only gets all smitey when you're either running away from his one last chance that he didn't have to give or trying to overthrow him.
Remiel is definitely the guy you want to talk to. He and Gabriel seem to be the only sane angels, the rest of them are all either arrogant knight templars or just blinded by their loyalty to God.
Probably the best way you want to go about it is getting Remiel on your side, having him talk to Metatron, and having Metatron in turn order the Japanese government to support and recognize Abel. Also, Amane is an excellent public speaker, and she can help you further this goal as well. Haru being on your side will also get people more willing to accept you, Abel, and the demons.
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>>48365212
So you're removing the customization option for it?

>>48365213
DnD sorcerers can already do that. It just doesn't get talked about much because of dumb time requirements.
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>>48365234
Whatever. I don't care anymore.
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>>48365160
Only if there's an option to join the aliens/get a moon sized spaceship.
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>>48365191
Ah, cool. And thanks.
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>>48365138
Alright, so - Eliatropes and Eliotropes are two different, but inherently related things.

Eliatropes, being an ancient race born of the goddess Eliatrope (who is the personification of Wakfu energy itself) and the Great Dragon (the personification of Stasis energy itself) are technically aliens to the World of Twelve, and the Original Six (Yugo, Quilby, Nora, Chibi, Glip, and Mina) are all immortal via reinarnation. Each also has a Dragon twin (Adamai, Shinonome, Efrim, Grougaloragran, Baltazar, and Phaeris) who shares this reincarnation with them via their shared Dofus (dragon egg). The rest of the Eliatrope race is not granted this specific ability, but still has portal powers and the Wakfu-wings on their heads that let them levitate. Thus, the reincarnation/Dragon-twin bit seems to be what sets the Council of Six apart.

The Eliatropes were the ones who created the World of Twelve's Zaap Portals, as well as the Eliacube (obviously) and the starship Zinit - which is powered by Wakfu. Being as they're the race that manipulates Wakfu most directly, this makes sense.

Quilby and Yugo are both shown manifesting weapons out of Wakfu - Quilby makes himself a scythe, and Yugo makes a sword and shield.

EliOtropes, on the other hand, are essentially weaker reflections of Eliatropes (read: balanced for MMO PvP) created when Yugo decided to do the thing and gather up all those Dofus and briefly go all God-King. Nox had already messed up space-time by doing HIS thing, so when Yugo did the thing, Eliotropes got scattered all throughout both the Wakfu Era and the Dofus Era.

Quilby also made the Eliacube out of the heart of a Mechasm, but that's mostly because he's the resident Madder Scientist (as opposed to Nox, the resident Mad Scientist).

The funny thing is I still don't have a complete explanation as to all of this, because the lore can get vague sometimes and I myself haven't yet read /everything/ , so >>48365191 has a decent tl;dr going.
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>>48365044
Wakfu, can you use "Air Metal" to play more than just Heavy Metal?
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>>48365247
>So you're removing the customization option for it?
Pfffft. No. It's just you have an option for YOU, then an option for your Warframe. Don't assume I'm going to take away aesthetics for the customization table just because I added something for the default jumper body.
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>>48365213
Yes, it'd make you much better at it than a normal sorcerer, but you still wouldn't be able to exceed your max spells known per level class limit. To break that you'd need Dark Wisdom from the Overlord LN jump.
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>>48365247
They can? I thought there was a hard limit of number of spells a sorc could know?
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>>48365268
I don't see why not, come to think of it.
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>>48365282
Yes, and nope.
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>>48365284
Alright, thanks.
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>>48365282
There is, but watching other people cast spells is one of the ways Sorcerers can reach that limit.
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>>48365267
The Great Dragon seems to have been fucked on this deal, since he has only 6 kids to Eliatrope's entire race, who have nothing in common with the dragon at all except some tiny wings that are made out of Wakfu and not Stasis and thus have only an aesthetic relation to him and nothing else.
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>>48365243
Well then, here's a fun thing then:

DS2 has the drawback that lets one have it happen in DS1 world. And the drawback that has the Alien administrator declare himself YHVH, and you said that winning against him stops the SMT series from happening.

As such, it means that YHVH was actually a fairly reasonable guy, and the SMT YHVH is just the Usurper from DS2 drawback, this is why he is such a dick.

It explains everything.

...Huh. With this, if I jump DS2, then until I take the highest drawbacks the plot would be chill. Because humans will be used to demons and they will be able to combat Septentrions through the demons and magic. Alcor will work with Abel and others to prepare them, if necessary, and set up evacuations...

Is it possible to set up barriers around more than just Japan in DS2? Eitherway, Polaris will be getting fucked and people will have easier situation due to Demon power generator and such.

Now, to check whether demons have a way of creating food... Maybe regenerating demons will open restaurants where they use their regeneration for never ending supply of meat?
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>>48365254
Nkiruka would be objectively fucking ugly in any realistic scenario.
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>>48365308
Also his Dragons and Osamodas' Dragons seem to have little to do with one another, beyond their eggs being called Dofus and both groups being, well, Dragons.

The Krosmoz is a silly place.
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>>48365314
What makes you say that, anon?
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>>48365343
It's /pol, most likely.
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>>48365331
Yep, even his schtick was stolen by some upstart god from another dimension.

He's got nothing really, nobody cares about Stasis other than Foggernauts either.
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>>48365282
>These new spells can be common spells chosen from the sorcerer/wizard spell list, or they can be unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of by study.

So if someone has a custom spell, and your sorcerer hasn't reached the limit on spells known for your level, your sorcerer can learn it (whether by watching as the wizard casts it enough times and/or borrowing their spellbook to read and/or pestering them with enough questions) instead of one from the common sor/wiz list.
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>>48365331
The Krosmoz is, itself, a giant egg as well.
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>>48365343
You ever seen a Nubian? They're not attractive.

>>48365349
>Dragging politics into sexual attraction
Who the fuck does this?

Like if I like Asians does that mean I vote Green?
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How dangerous is Panty and Stocking? I'm thinking of taking the "Powered by Virginity" drawback.
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>>48365256
If I were to do it I think I'd limit it to one of the City Destroyers. Don't trust that many Jumpers to not tear apart planets.
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>>48365361
Actually I have not.

>second part

You'd be surprised.

>>48365364
>spoiler

Go on. Do it. Is this not the truest test of your will?
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>>48365311
Absolutely! The barriers are based off of ley lines. Any place where you can draw on the magic of ley lines can have a barrier formed to protect it, though you'll need to help from Alcor on that one, given that Yamato might not be so willing to help for the sake of his own ideal world.
Also, it's important to note that Polaris was going fairly easy on the Earth/humanity in the game. Arcturus, without the administrative authority Polaris had, and being weaker than she was, did MUCH more damage, and quicker too. He did in three days what Polaris did in six. So she may start playing hardball if the Earth is more prepared, and she might start calling for backup too. So, imagine this: an army of humans and demons clashing against the servants of Polaris and their own demonic minions, intending to crack the barriers so that Polaris might delete the Earth, all the while the Jumper, Abel, and Alcor try to find a way to break into Polaris' domain and take the fight to her. Sound cool?
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>>48365374
>Actually I have not.
East Africa, so think places like Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia.
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>>48365374
>Go on. Do it. Is this not the truest test of your will?

I'm not worried about the will aspect: I'm worried about being ganked by world-destroying threats or others that are ridiculously above me, hence "how dangerous" not "how hard".
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>>48365267
Ah, thanks. Yeah, I meant Eliatrope rather than Eliotrope. So the main other "eventually" abilities" would be flight and energy constructs, plus eventually learning to make permanent portals and machinery powered by wakfu and such? (or did I misunderstand?)

And thanks for the summary.
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>>48365355
It's also possible for a sorcerer to make their own custom spells through study, but the same rules and limits apply.

Dark Wisdom is an absolutely top-notch perk for Sorcerer jumpers. Makes a middling tier 2 class into a high tier 1.
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>>48365284
How about an air theramin instead of air guitar? ;)
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>>48365408
The most dangerous thing that was revealed in-series was Judgement, who steps on a kaiju, and...that's pretty much all she has to do, actually. She's an Angel though, so if you're going that path you should be fine. Even as a demon, I think she was summoned by the Ultimate Weapon or something? Can't remember. Otherwise, you should be fine with in-jump powers. Even the normals could make it without too much difficulty. Your experience alone should help you a lot.
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>>48365356
Huh? Is that itself an actual part of the story? Is it implied that it'll eventually "hatch" or otherwise give birth to something?
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>>48365376
It sounds fuckin tight.

It really all depends on how prepared humanity is.

Also, I assume if a jumper had managed at some point to get a perk to CREATE leylines, then if they work fast enough, it should work.

If we take Whole New World, does Jumper and protags remember the previous/current week?

I can't find any info on Errai. Is he just a villain you made up for sake of name of starts and drawback or..?

Can we get any sort of idea what we can expect in battle against Errei with the things it took back? Like, when compared to the other Administrators, how much more raw power it has, does it use conceptual bullshit, will Time Stops and such that jumper has from other jumps work, etc?
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>>48365420
No problem! And yeah, that seems to be the case.

>>48365438
...what are you planning? That's a pretty specific instrument.
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>>48365438
I'd say any mundane "air string instrument" sounds reasonable. After all, Heavy Metal is not only the guitar (and more genres can be played anyway).
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>>48365447
Not to my knowledge no.
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>>48365441
Okay, thank you.
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Hey guys, just checking in.
He-Man and She-Ra is becoming quite the project with tons of research. But I guess that comes with any series that has been around that long.
It's up to five backgrounds (Drop-in, Heroic/Evil Warrior, Court Sorcerer, Prince/Princess, Overlord)
I'm including an option for the Snake-man race for sure.
Regardless it's coming along at a fair pace.
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>>48365376
Also, apparently in the game if you are on New Game Plus and you use Almighty attacks on Dubhe, then it is immune even to that, like Beldr.

So wait, the only method to damage Dubhe which is speculated to be a full grown bud of that other Septentrion, is to attack its bud at the moment of explosion?

Also, interesting fact: If you play pirated version of DS2, during the battle with Dubhe Daichi will not appear to slam a track into it, making battle unwinnable. Look at this awesome copy protection.
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>>48365488
Can I be bones?
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>>48365488
Were you doing Kung-fu Hustle, or was that someone else?
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>>48365455
>>48365457
You actually don't touch them at all to play them. Hence why it'd be amusing to have an air theramin: because actual real ones you play without physical contact with them too... So the idea seemed funny...

(Okay, that's new captcha style... one single image sliced up...)
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>>48365376
Anime of Devil SUrvivor 2, people say, finally show sheer power of demons and Septentrion in it.

So should we rely on that to understand how much is affected by what, to get a good grip of their power?
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>>48365243
With the right angle you might be able to get Mastema on your side as well. He's power hungry and more willing to work with humans than other angels. If he saw it as an opportunity to raise in the celestial hierarchy he'd take it.
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>>48365493
You mean the giant lizard skeleton mount? or like Skeletor? Yes to the second one. The Overlord freebie/100cp perk includes the option to take on an appearance akin to a muscular undead like Skeletor or Mum-Ra. (yes, I know skeletor isnt really undead, not the point)

>>48365497
Nope, not me. But I am hype for it.
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Are the Devil Arm Arms from DMC sentient? Do I have to worry about my own arms betraying me?

>Do keep in mind that Devil Arms are sentient. They'll be obedient to you, since you were the one who kicked their ass, but if they get fed up with your crap, they'll try to get rid of you and make a physical body for themselves.

Also, what is "God Hand" based on?

Oh, and can I have two DAAs at least look like they're left/right counterparts?
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>>48365538
I would also like to know that
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>>48365521
>yes, I know skeletor isnt really undead, not the point)
Isn't he like that literally do to being splashed with acid? or something?
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>>48365545
Something like that, while battling his brother (He-man's Dad) for the throne. If my memory serves.

I'm little exhausted today. Just thought i'd let everyone know i'm workin on it.
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On a scale of Good Idea to "Jesus Christ what the fuck is wrong with you?"

How bad of an idea is it to import Sarah Kerrigan to Warframe as an Infested?
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>>48365571
You. FOOL.
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>>48365571
I'm surprised someone named after Justice would waifu Sarah Kerrigan.
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>>48365454
Yeah, if you can create ley lines, that will definitely help. I'd recommend doing it on the 8th day of Devil Survivor. You'll have to deal with some added difficulty, but it will be pretty chill for the most part, and you'll have some time to set it up.
Abel might, due to being an Overlord, and if the Jumper has time memory stuff then yes.
Errai is the name of Polaris' successor, and is referenced by Polaris and Alcor. In the Record Breaker bad end, he eventually takes the Throne from Alcor, kills him, and deletes the Earth.
You'll have to fight four of his Avatars before you can confront Errai himself. Heat, or Ancient of Days, will attack by using the environment itself, setting random parts of the battlefield ablaze. Once you reach him, it's just a matter of beating him. Next you'll have to fight Kagatsuchi, Time, Demiurge, Space, and the Megami Tensei YHVH, Force. Kagatsuchi will allow each Avatar to move twice as fast, and will cancel any attempted time stop. Demiurge will grant the others unlimited range, and will teleport you around randomly. MT YHVH just gives the other Avatars a buff to their attack powers, as well as slows you and your allies down with the force of gravity. All four Avatars are stronger than Polaris, at an in-universe level 80. They'll also have "Angels" to back them up, though if you take it with DS1 they're obviously fake. Errai himself is slightly stronger than Lucifer but only has two forms because of it, his yellow head form and his crazy purple chimera form. Time stops won't work on him, and he'll try to delete the party's data in his first form. You'll want to disrupt or distract him. Once he reaches his second form, he'll stop trying to delete you and instead warp the field to give him some distance and force you to fight his angels to get to him, spamming long range almighty attacks the whole time. Once you've reached and beaten him, the area will collapse, and everything can be restored.
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>>48365580
Justiceanon is an ironic name, not a literal one.
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>>48365580
He got the name for screaming about justice in all caps, not for who he waifus, of which is an extensive list.
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>>48365366
That's fine, I can just use vehicle imports to make it bigger.
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>>48365578
Only a You Fool? I've had worse ideas.

>>48365580
Honestly? I did it all for the purpose of a Joke.
I Waifued her in Terran Jump.
Then went to Zerg Jump, where I took the Drawback that had a Kerrigan style romance, and imported her to be the Jim Raynor.
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>>48365510
The anime is kind of meh plot wise, but yeah, power wise it works. Sure, go with that.
>>48365519
I trust Mastema about as far as I can throw him, but you may have a point.
>>48365582
Oh, yeah, this is me, by the way.
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>>48365600
What options have we got to make ships larger?
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>>48365600
>Bigger than almost everything on that list
Jesus Christ.

>Spaceballs is SMALLER than the ships they were making fun of
That's hilarious.
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>>48365616
SupCom, Five Star Stories, Star Wars OT (though you have to make it bigger yourself).
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>>48365616
OT jump gives you a ship that you could continuously improve indefinitely with upgrades you make to it gaining fiat insurance.
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>>48365557
Is He-Man's dad so dishonorable he'd use acid in battle?
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>>48365616
ACU from Supreme Commander and Mortar Headd from Five Star stories.

You may also be able to just make your ship bigger by modifying it yourself but I think it depends on where you got it from.
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>>48365635
Nah it was one of those karmic reflection deals
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>>48365648
what
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>>48365635
I somehow cannot find where I read this literally a day ago. huh, thats weird.

>>48365648
That might be how it went.

>shrug
I'll figure it out.
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>>48365152
>>48365205
I know you're not interested in this conversation anymore, but I read the article you linked, and Opar is supposed to be a nod to how it was a colony of Atlantis in the book, so La is probably an Atlantean like Kida and not an African at all.
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>>48365635
>Keldor fought Randor personally, wielding two swords with astounding proficiency, but when Randor disarmed him, Keldor threw a vial of acid at him. Randor deflected it with his shield, and the acid splashed on Keldor's face.

Found it!
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>>48365701
Ah, so his own fault.
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>>48365615
Huh, that's a good break down.

YHVH avatar seems way less powerful than the regular MT YHVH. Is it simply because Errai spawned them quite fast?

An in-universe level 80, okay, that's manageble.

Does Demiurge cancel any attempts of our own to teleport? And how often does he teleport people?

So time stops won't work on any of them at any point, hm. I assume time slows and such too, would that include simply accelerating myself?

...I must ask, did you really make this whole scenario yourself? It seems quite well thought up.

How exactly are we meant to disrupt him deleting our data? In fact, how exactly does he go about doing it?

Wait, but MT YHVH is the head, but this means that Errai's first form is the same as YHVH avatar, but, you know, stronger?

hm. So it's also all of them at once?

Also, goddamit, so not counting memories, no way to prepare in the "first" week of the DS2... Ah, well. Okay.

Oh, is Kagutsuchi the same one as in Nocturne?

Would attempting Timestops at least distract Kagutsuchi or Errai, possibly delaying their turns to cancel my time stop?
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>>48365655
Skeletor flung a vial of acid at Randor during their fight, Randor used his shield and reflected the contents of the vial it splashed all over Skeletor's face and he and his minions fled. Skeletor then went to Hordak and begged him for help. Hordak turned him in to Skeletor. At least that's how I remember it from the most recent He-man series.
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>>48365582
>>48365615
Fun thing:

In SMT IV: Apocalypse, at least if I read wiki correctly, avoiding ENOUGH spoilers I hope to enjoy them, it says Great Will is actually a good guy in SMT multiverse, and YHVH is just a rogue avatar.
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>>48365701
>>48365680
>>48365488
If you are taking inspiration from the 2002 cartoon, I only ask that there's some Ambrosia on offer so that I can do things to it.
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>>48365615
Would SCP's reality warping canceling field thing help in battle against Errai?
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Can the Ambrosia from Percy Jackson's "burn up if not deity" effect be circumvented by acquiring godhood elsewhere?
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>>48365737
I'll make a note of that.
Instead of doing the thing that transformers and gi joe did, i'm trying to make it all one big setting with the interesting parts of all the different series.
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>>48365717
Yeah, he just ascended so he sort of spat them out half baked, sort of.
Yeah, no teleporting, and about every few minutes. He's a bit of a coward, so if you send some of your squad to harass him he'll focus on them rather than giving his allies some aid.
Time stuff doens't work so long as Kagutsuchi is around, or if you're fighting Errai.
Yeah, mostly, with though the unlimited range and sped up thing I took from the Canopus fight.
Errai takes the form of multiple yellow heads. You can distract him by attacking the heads, or disrupt him by having Alcor and Miyako screw with the Throne, which is what he's using to access the record and delete you.
Sort of, MT YHVH is one blue head, where as Errai is a bunch of yellow heads, like this pic.
No, you fight Ancient of Days separate, then Kagutsuchi, Demiurge, and MT YHVH, then Errai.
Yeah, though weaker, obviously.
It might distract the former, but the latter just ignores it.
>>48365740
It would actually make it much harder to delete you, he still can with enough time, but you at least doubled, if not tripled the amount of time you have.
>>48365733
I based Errai's forms off of his SMT Final incarnation.
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>>48365779
I seem eternally cursed to forget images...
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Also, while I was out today I saw something that inspired me.

So, after He-Man and Fighting Foodons

Would you all enjoy a Hamtaro jump?
There was some real fun stuff that would be great from the video games.
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>>48365733
AHAHAHAHA, VINDICATION!

Like a year ago I threw a huge and frankly embarrassing hissy fit about how the Great Will was more likely to be more than just Unmellow Yellow, like a higher level being or a continuum of beings.
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>>48365779
How much time we have to fuck Errai up into second phase?

Ah, I thought I fought them all at once. That simplifies things, especially if I grinded demons in DS jump.

Apparently in SMT IV Final it says that Great Will is actually a pretty cool good guy and YHVH is just a rogue avatar and all.

While Lucifer is one half of a being created by YHVH to serve him and all his attempts to have you at war with YHVH were just to make a war that will exhaust people and keep YHVH at height of power... which doesn't make sense, but at the endings of SMT IV Final he decides that YHVH is actually kind of a dick and genuinely wants to defeat him.

So stuff works if Chronologically SMT IV Final is before other SMTs. Would that be right?

But then, what the fuck is going on with DeSu2 and DeSu1 Luci- oh.

Oh.

Errai rewrites the universe, all of it, and makes other universes. So He recreates all demons...

Now the qusetion is, if Great Will turns out to be benevolent in SMT IV Final and is responsible for all universes, then either Errai chills out, recreating stuff took the evil out of him or he is just pretending to make people listen to him?
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>>48365814
>Hamtaro

My childhood DEMANDS I beg you for this.
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>>48365787
Even me avoiding /smtg/ cannot protect me from spoilers.
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>>48365882
excellent
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>>48365896
It's alright buddy, it's His second form that's the BIG spoiler/
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>>48365849
I'm guessing that either DS YHVH is the real Great Will, or at least one of it's saner, nicer aspects, especially given that He was a huge proponent for free will, which SMT YHVH hated.
>>48365876
Hmm, I'd say 30 or so minutes, give or take depending on if you distract him or his angels distract you.
I'd say so.
If the Great Will is benevolent, it's just DS1 and DS2 together: DS1 God is the real deal AKA the Great Will, where as Errai is YHVH AKA the rouge avatar.
>>48365896
Sorry, I forgot to hit spoilers and tried to correct myself, but I had already hit post...
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UPDATE ON CURRENT BLEACH MANGA STUFF:

Aizen got freed and is trying to fuck up Yhwach, because he doesn't like being controlled.

Ichigo and Renji try to sneak attack Yhwach but he seen them. HE tried to once again manipulate the future so that Ichigo's blade is once more fucked up, but he only managed to crack it, saying "I meant to break it off again, but you seem to have some good fortune" while also having annoyed expression on his face.

I think I get it. Yhwach's ability to use future to do stuff is him causing an effect depending on the number of timelines in which a thing will occur to what he wants to do. If breaking the blade or such happens in only 50% or so of timelines, he won't manage to break it, but crack it.

At least, that's how I assume it will be.

Luck perks and such will help you, jumpers
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>>48365931
So he DOES erase demons and recreate them, such as Lucifer?

And then, it makes sense Errai is still not proper Great Will, or at least the balance of power changes.

It would make sense why the Great Will proper can't just fuck up YHVH, because, in the inter-jump canonity, Errai as YHVH is as powerful if not more than him, so the DeSu YHVH can only affect things from the sides, hoping that you fuck up the Usurper, aka Errai in other franchises.

Meanwhile, Errai uses the time to perfect Kagutsuchi and all...

Quick question, what would the stats of Ancient of Days be in DeSu2 drawback? I tried to use the stats of his only appearance, SMT IV, but there the stats range into two hundreds max... And he has 157 of all stats. Considering DeSu only has the stats go up to 40... yeah.
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>>48365936
Maybe. There are only a couple of more chapters, so hopefully we'll be able to get a better handle on his in a week or two.

Man, I wish Bleach Jump was better. The quincy section could use an update and the way it's arranged rubs me the wrong way.
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>>48365936
Pretty interesting, though my stance on that setting is still "why would I ever want to go to Soul Society?"

If I hang out in Karakura everything is fine except for jobber Hollows and that one time Aizen starts stomping around like a slasher villain.

> because he doesn't like being controlled
But he's okay with being imprisoned.

...

God Bleach is terrible.
That's not in response to Aizen, I'm just stating a fact.
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>>48365936
>I think I get it.
You're making a reasonable extrapolation based on logic. That's probably not the safest approach to anything in Bleach.
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>>48365980
>>48365969

Bleach jump, if you want interesting powers, requires you to go alive or any such thing and turn hollow. Just like ascending into lichdom or such in other jumps, you will just transcend into different state of being. Each Hollow has something unique.

To be fair, Yhwach is also surprised that Aizen wants to fight for Soul Society, but consider this:

If Yhwach wins, he will lose any and all chances of ever doing his plans.

If he helps in defeating Yhwach, he might be released from Prison.
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>>48365931
Then SMT Jump is an end where ERRAI WINS, because, perhaps, Jumper wasn't in there in that version of universe to defeat him before he became Almighty??
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>>48365994
>Bleach jump, if you want interesting powers, requires you to go alive or any such thing and turn hollow. Just like ascending into lichdom or such in other jumps, you will just transcend into different state of being. Each Hollow has something unique.
Doesn't that break the "no dying" rule?
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Rolled 419, 572 = 991 (2d605)

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>>48365964
Sort of, yeah. In Final, he summons copies of Merkabah and Lucifer to assist him.
Hmm, I'd say he'd be more focused on magic and defense, so he'll be lacking in strength and speed. So, hang on, let me do the math...high thirties in magic and defense, mid twenties in strength and speed. Or something like that.
>>48366003
Basically, yes.
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>>48366004
Lichdom has you die to become a lich, but if you do it in the Dnd jumps would jumpchain count it as jump over?

Any other scenario that has you temporary dead to automatically awaken/arise after a period of time, is the chain broken? it is still you, after all.

I remember SOME jumps have the rule of "YOu just have to be alive at the end of your stay if you have methods of revival"
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>>48366034
Unless there is an explicit rule as to otherwise, yeah it counts as jump over if you die in any jump. Even if you would come back later.
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>>48366034
Unless a jump or perk specifically states otherwise (e.g. a gauntlet or a 1up perk), dying is a fail condition. Doesn't matter whether you would come back as a lich or a friendly cleric would resurrect you in five minutes, it's Chain Over.
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>>48366048
Technically it wouldn't really be death.

In Bleach, you can put a soul into Gigai and it counts as Alive. IF you yourself separate your spirit from your body and sever the chain of fate yourself, like with Ichigo's training, and turn into hollow the way Ichigo was turning, instead of ker-sploding on spot and reforming later like that Demi-Hollow, it should work.
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>>48366070
Sure, that's just transforming, not death.
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>>48366060
See >>48366070

In Bleach, you can remain fully conscious during journey from soul in a fleshbag into hollow.

In Bleach, Death would not be separation of spirit from body, but instead it would be the cessation of existence or reincarnation that happens if you SLAY a soul/Shinigami or a Quincy kills a hollow. THAT is Death right there.
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>>48366060
Heh, a 1up perk would mess with any rituals that require you to be dead.

>>48366070
Sounds like that takes you straight from Alive to Undead(?) with no Dead inbetween, so that would be okay.
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>>48366095
Making an awful lot of rulings on a jump that isn;t yours bub. If you transform into a hollow from a spirit it might not count as death but getting killed as a living being and claiming that your soul sticking around means it doesn't count as death is a little stupid.
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I don't even know what toner is.
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>>48365994
This whole argument is pointless because your idea that hollows all have interesting, unique powers is a crock of shit. Most of the Espada do (Except the ones who are just really good at regenerating or generic energy blasts like Ulquirorra and Grimmjow) and some of the other arrancar, but basic hollows rarely have anything unique.

Shinigami are the ones who are all guaranteed a fairly unique power set with their Zanpakutou releases. Hollows come second, in that only some have unique abilities while most are just stronger, faster, bigger etc then others. Quincy don't have any unique abilities. No, the powers the Quincy have now are only granted because Yhwach gives/awakens them.
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>>48366145
So...we could just go Shinigami and not have to risk the maybefinaldeath of becoming a Hollow that may or may not get unique powers? From what I remember of the show, most of the powers the hollow guys do show are things that resemble what the Shinigami get anyway.
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>>48365876
Final sounds like an abomination unto the series, frankly. Like some newbies came in and missed the entire point of the work of those preceding them.
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>>48366145
It's actually the most basic hollows that have unique powers.

The issue is that they are super weak so we quickly go beyond them and focus on Important people and their things or raw power.

Would you, as a manga writer, WANT to design a unique power for every single hollow that appears on screen when you start throwing them in hundreds? Or wait, each of them does have their power. The thing is, we don't see ENTIRETY of it or they again go back to FULL RAW POWER instead of the unique abilities.

Not all hollows can get enough screen time.
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Alrighty Jumpers, hopped up on sugar and working on Independence Day jump!

Here is what I have so far.
>http://pastebin.com/CrxGgLgp

Unsure how to make Drop-In for setting, ideas? Very changeable at moment so any input will be considered.
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>>48366163
Issue is, you can't go Soul. You can only go shinigami as an "Already 'dead' " option.

And as Shinigami, you HAVE to choose Zankpaktou options in their section. And the issue is that these powers are generic and weak, even when compared to VERY START OF MANGA.
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>>48366145
A lot of the hollows in the first arc had a unique gimmicky power.
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>>48366165
It's meh. Like...it's not a total atrocity, but it does contradict a lot of the lore, like Satan being a fusion of Lucifer and Merkabah, despite 2 featuring them all as seperate characters. Also, the Great Will is good now, despite Nocturne having it as the being behind Kagatsuchi, and the being behind YHVH in Megami Tensei.
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>>48366192
I mean, you can think it's fun or interesting, but to all previous characters and lore it seems to be pissing on them.
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>>48366029

So, question.

If fuckin up YHVH in Megami Tensei managed to, you know, beat him off for quite a long period of time until he respawns, how does that work if we assume that the MT YHVH is just an Avatar of Errai?

Is it basically Errai being lazy and only later realizing "OH SHIT. THEY FUCKED UP MY AVATAR!" and thus Shin Megami Tensei, whereafter he respawns?

Or am I completely misunderstanding what's the difference between Shin Megami Tensei and Megami Tensei?
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>>48365969
>>48365994
>>48366145
>>48366188
My problem with updating Bleach is that Arrancar will always be a bad option. They're the weakest except for Fullbrings, and without the advantage of 'staying out of the plot' Fullbrings can manage.

Plus their mechanics are an issue. An Arrancar cannot grow in power, while all others can, meaning if you're an Arrancar you are gimped. One might suggest you be a Vasto Lord instead, but the problem THERE is that you need to CONSTANTLY be consuming souls, that's the only way to grow your power, and any loss of your body (so serious injuries, or any bit of yourself being eaten) prevents you from EVER progressing, even to an Arrancar, and cripples you for eternity. So that's an obvious trap.

The way mib got around that is by letting you be an Arrancr who still has Vasto Lord growth potential without the drawbacks, which, while not making them anywhere near equal to Soul Reapers or Quincies, at least keeps them from being a trap. However from what the people who always call for one and discuss it say, I don't think any of them would be okay with keeping Vasto Lord growth potential as an Arrancar, which is the only thing keeping them from being crippling.
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>>48366182
make up a bunch of OC powers
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>>48366216
Vastos don't need to be consuming souls and loss of body, through means of it being BITTEN OFF just lets you not regress or evolve regular way, I think you CAN still go arrancar. As far as I am aware.

Arrancars actually do get more powerful. You know Spoony, I mean Nnoitra?

He specifically was said to be stronger than he was before when nel was still an Espada, and he grew stronger before that, because he was TRAINING.

Yes, TRaining still lets you get stronger, and if you assume Segunda is basically Bankai of Arrancars, and it was simply just Ulquiorra that discovered it, you open doors.

The best way to do stuff there is to fanwank a little bit.
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>>48366204
Megami Tensei's ending is actually a mistranslation:Blue YHVH is never going to be revived, that's not the problem. The problem is that the Great Will is now going to send every OTHER Avatar, some of which are stronger than Blue YHVH. But Blue YHVH is dead. Yellow YHVH is Errai/Fake Great Will.
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>>48366171
Er, no. No it's not. We see far more basic hollows that have no special powers or only have basic things like acid spit as we do those like Grand Fisher. And no, if they don't show it, it's because they can't do it, not because they just decide not to. The author seemed perfectly fine designing unique powers for every Shinigami, Arrancar and Quincy he shows. Mass battles with hollows almost never happen, especially once it turns into a more standard shounen 1v1 battle manga after Soul Society where non-arrancar hollows almost never show up.

You're trying to extrapolate the existence of a few basic hollows with unique stuff to mean ALL basic hollows have unique powers and saying that the fact we see almost zero evidence for this is because Kubo didn't want to design powers for everyone, despite the fact that he's made hundreds of characters with unique powers by now, often with multiple stages or aspects to these powers.

>>48366186
First, no, they're not THAT weak (Though they are still shit quality). Secondly, just say you don't take any of them and start with a sword with no powers that you can awaken over time. That's essentially what people are wanting to do for hollows, bypassing the choices offered in jump for them. If you're really desperate to stick to the rules exactly in a Mib jump (I don't know why you would), just pick the New Recruit drawback and develop your Zanpakutou after the jump ends.

>>48366188
And far more that did not. How many hollows had unique powers (Grand Fisher, hollow who spawns little ones, tentacle thing that controls people) compared to the ones we see that don't (Almost every hollow, even early on, was just a big monster bruiser).
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>>48366182
Give drop-ins powers from the remake.
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>>48366216
>My problem with updating Bleach is that Arrancar will always be a bad option.
How does not updating the jump help with that?
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Rolled 526, 566 = 1092 (2d605)

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Wait, I figured out a loophole. Get the H Blueprints and use them to turn yourself into a hollow. I think that would work anyway,
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>>48366258
You mean like being able to receive visions, alien hunting skills, wielding machetes like the African guy?
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>>48366291
Question, does the Queen perk make us the leader of the initial invasion, or the second one? Or both?
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>>48366255
Maybe Kubo just decided to abandon focusing on hollow powers in favor of making them just cannon fodder and mooks to show how badass these Shinigamis are?
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>>48366289
There aren't any H blueprints. Just A blueprints.
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>>48366216
Nnoitra shows that Arrancar can probably get stronger by training like Shinigami.
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>>48366259
See my last paragraph in that post.

>>48366251
>through means of it being BITTEN OFF
I remember it saying any serious injury leads to a crippling in ability to grow.

>Yes, TRaining still lets you get stronger,
I think this contradicts the author's words on Arrancars, though, which is that they can't grow in power anymore.

>if you assume Segunda is basically Bankai of Arrancars, and it was simply just Ulquiorra that discovered it, you open doors
But that's just an assumption, and even if it WAS the truth, you're entirely on your own in deciding how it works or what power you'd get, unless a theoretical author agreed with you and put in a section for it.

>Fanwank a little bit
I don't think that's a valid argument.
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>>48359750
And that picture is Mega Froslass. That's the pic I use to explain what I look like in Soul Reaper / Spirit Form.
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>>48366251
Nnoitra is actually pretty impressive because he predates Aizen perfecting the Arrancar creation process yet he actually went up in rank despite that.
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>>48366254

Ah...

Hang on
So in this inter jump continuity, it's not that Great Will is going to send other avatars, but rather that ERRAI is going to send them, because Great Will proper is benevolent god from DeSu?

Interesting. Also good that we don't have to worry about that because there is no MT jump
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>>48366311
>See my last paragraph in that post.
Why couldn't an update keep that in exactly?
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>>48366306
And then made the Hueco Mundo arc, the one that's criticised for being agonisingly long, have the arrancar feature as every villain? I'll agree that a lot of them get used to show off a power up from a returning character but Kubo does give unique powers to all of the Arrancar in the series (Except a tiny handful like the two sisters and Nel's companions).

>>48366322
Only Aaroniero predates the Hogyouko process.
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>>48366305
Queen perk makes you leader of the initial invasion.

'Sequel is Always Better' drawback makes you leader of the second.
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>>48366311
Feats in series trump author's statements out of it. Nnoitra got stronger over time despite being an Arrancar, that's fact.
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>>48366327
Yes, that's correct.
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>>48366342
It would require them to be convinced.

>>48366355
I disagree, a lot of the time we can only understand what happens in a series because of author statements.
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>>48366307
Even better in my opinion. A lot of the benefits of Arrancar can be learned, so the discounts from Drop-In would probably be more useful. No customizable release, but still a worthy trade-off.
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>>48366368
And in some cases you mgiht be right. But in this you aren't, because we know and see in series that Nnoitra does what you say is impossible (Actually, could you give quotes on the author specifically stating Arrancar could not grow stronger?)
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>>48366311
>I think this contradicts the author's words on Arrancars, though, which is that they can't grow in power anymore.
No, Menos who have had a piece of themselves eaten can't grow anymore.
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>>48366350
Needs a Victory Cigar item.
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>>48366311
Are you referring to how hollows can't go up the evolutionary stages once they take off their mask and become arrancar? Because that's a thing and is still consistent with the rest of the series, but they can grow in power by training like any being could.
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>>48366345
BUt you see, he was not focusing on the hollows. He was focusing on these new and cool and super likable SUPER HOLLOWS, who deserve to be unique.

And even if every little hollow shown a special power on screen when they are attacking en masse, would you distinguish them from generic projectiles and such?

Look at it this way: Each Hollow's power would be like the DBZ unique powers of Ginyu Force or of Dragonball characters. At high enough power, you just ignore them, because they can't affect you much. This is why only the super strong people shown their stuff in Bleach after the Saving Rukia arc. Because Ichigo was too powerful to be threatened by a Pre-Gillian hollow
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>>48366368
I'd rather try to convince someone, or even be saddled with one terrible option, rather than have every option be awful.
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>>48366368
Explain Nnoitra raising from 7th Espada to 5th and also his Zanpakuto changing. It is Menos that can't grow under certain conditions.
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>>48366307
Just get the A blueprints and the Shinigami/Zanpaktou Blueprints.

Then use your knowledge to try to distinguish hollow bits from the Shinigami bits in A blueprints. And experiment on hollows.

Or use the Sburb Alchemy and look at which holes they share.
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http://pastebin.com/Uf1d9uPx

JUMPERS: I POSE TO YOU:
THE CHALLENGE.
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>>48366375
I'm currently looking at both Nnoitra and Arrancar in general for just such things.

>>48366392
Bad writing.
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>>48366383
Arrancar are all hollows too, just the strongest and best picked by Aizen for his army, hence why they usually have all the powers.

Except they didn't. "B-but nothing says they couldn't!" No, absence of evidence is not proof that it is that way.

No, that's solely your own theory (With near zero basis to boot) and it's still complete shit given how many normal, non-power having hollows Ichigo fights in the early series when he isn't in this 'DBZ situation' you're trying to use.
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>>48366378
There is one, 'Fat Lady', right underneath Gear heading.
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>>48366405
So things that show you're wrong are bad writing and things that show you're right are obviously going to be the things to accept, even if contradicted by other statements? Seems like reason to ignore you really, since you argue like a 5 year old.
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>>48366404
Can't he only be hurt by Six Paths Chakra once in his final form?
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>>48361849
Faithful Trapper Swordsman, Arrogant Aloof Skydragon, Sarcastic Adventurous Detective, Scholarly Chinese Warrior, Uriel Septim VII, Toph Bei Fong, Clueless Lost Boy, Genki Kudere Fangirl, Rulebound Hotheaded Slayer, Stupid Ice Fairy, Inscrutable Alien Warrior, Reborn Faithful Soldier, Duplicate Supreme Leader, Bespectacled Female Detective, Insanely Dangerous Fuzzbutt, Steel Psychic Spider, Teleporting Psychic Witch
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>>48366418
No, if you punch real good it can hurt him too, he just can't be hurt by any ninja magic that doesn't have sage chakra.
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>>48366406
...But all Espadas do have unique powers.

Nel literally is the healer and can return your projectile back at you, with her own power added to it and all...

And in the early series, nearly all hollows that weren't dispatched in first few seconds had something unique.

>>48366418
No. Gai could fuck him up when he was in 8 Gates open mode.
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>>48366405
So how does Grimmjow manage to keep up a chase with Askinn in the current manga, given that everyone's power levels are far beyond what they were when Grimmjow was around in the series? If he remained at the level he was previously, where he couldn't, in his strongest form, beat Ichigo before the many power ups he's gotten until now, why couldn't Askinn have just instantly killed him instead of resorting to his special power? How did he survive Askin's poison, to the point that the Quincy was shocked he was even alive, if he didn't get stronger from where he used to be?
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>>48366405
Him growing stronger is an important part of who he is. It is the entire basis of his character and what makes him interesting (that and being morally reprehensible in a very human way which was refreshing).
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>>48366438
Grimmjow has that claw attack no one else has as well
Pinky has his little organ dolls
Harribel has her water shit
The Death/Decay shit
The Spirit Wolves

All Hollows have a Power unique to themselves, even the Arrancar
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>>48366438
I know. That's what I've said this whole time. I just indicated that the Espada were almost certainly the strongest hollows Aizen could find to make into his army (Supported by the backstories we hear on the top Espada, Baragan being a king and Stark being so powerful even as a hollow that other hollows died by being near him)

So? That doesn't mean they weren't hollows. It just means that the majority of hollows, the ones that get dispatched easily, don't have some unique power that makes them harder to take out. The stronger ones, the ones with powers, get featured more.
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>>48366459
>>48366460
That one Hollow from really early on with the Bombs he set off with his tongue.
Orihime's brother had Acid Spit
That one Hollow Orihime fought that could put Buds into humans to control them like puppets
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>>48366412
It would actually be arguing that the author forgot his own lore and said something stupid afterwords, with the position that the latest authorial position is most valid.

>>48366444
>>48366451
I seriously cannot find any quotes on Arrancar power growth, so I can't argue anymore. Whether I'm right or wrong about what Kubo said, unless I can find the sources then the position that they can train because of Nnoitra's example is the stronger one.
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>>48366460
Or their control over their unique powers is shit at lower hollow stages.

And here is how I want to give proof how Power levels matter and that even if lower level hollows did special things, it wouldn't matter, that is why it wasn't shown:

Remember when Ichigo tried to stab Kenpachi the first time and his chest just stopped the blade?
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>>48366438
You know what? Fine, let's look at the hollows that get featured in the early series. All the named ones at least.

Fishbone D. Very first hollow. No powers.

Hexapodus. Second hollow. No Powers.

Acidwire. He could spit acid. I'd say that barely qualifies as a power, certainly not 'interesting' like what you claimed at first but sure, one hollow with powers.

Shrieker. Can spawn baby hollows. Two with powers.

Grand Fisher. Has powers, but is noted to have gotten experiments and assistance from Aizen. I don't think it can be counted due to that but let's do it anyway. Three.

Demi Hollow. No powers.

Bulbous G. No powers.

Numb Chandelier. Powers.

So in the early series, out of the notable hollows only 3 have powers against 5 without. And one of the ones with powers may be due to experimentation.
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>>48366488
See >>48366490
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>>48366490
>Demi Hollow. No powers.
He had Glue-spit
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>>48366490
Math was wrong. That should be 4 vs 4 with one doubtful.

>>48366499
My bad. I'd like to point out how useless that power is again, even worse then Acidwires, but I will admit that, among named hollows, there is a slight majority of powered hollows.

I'd also like to point out that including early series hollows without names makes it several dozen to hundred non powered hollows vs 5 with powers.
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>>48366514
Demi Hollow also was, you know, JUST TRANSFORMED at that point.

Bulbous G's powers could have been just raw power/strength.

Rukia was astounded by the spiritual pressure of Fishbone D.

As for Hexapodus and Fishbone D, the case could be made that it was THE FIRST two episodes of series. And very start of manga.

As for the nameless non powered hollows, it could have again been that we just didn't see their shtick.
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So, the notes in the TES jump says 'One Prophecy per person.'. Does that means companions can also take prophecies?
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>>48366376
Menos refers to every Hollow form that is made up of multiple hollows and not one. This includes everything up to and including Vasto Lord and potentially Arrancar.
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>>48366567
Non-Menos Arrancar then.
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>>48366557
So? Since when has that had any bearing on what a hollow can do? Provide a quote that it does or stop making things up.

That's not a power. That's just being a bigger guy. Chad's superpower isn't being 7ft tall either.

Rukia is an unseated officer who doesn't even have Shikai by then. She also couldn't imagine that any human could break out of the weakest binding spell by an average, unseated Shinigami, despite the fact that humans are fairly commonly known to sometimes have greater then normal spiritual pressure that could allow feats like that. It's certainly no secret given the Quincy are a known thing, and that Rukia is aware of them as shown when they meet Ishida.

Again, so? The series tone and power level doesn't really change until Byakuya and Renji appear and the SS arc begins.

Or, they, like multiple hollows we do see in more detail, DON'T HAVE ANY POWERS. We see several fought one on one with no powers shown (The very first scene in the series is Rukia killing one) and plenty fought one on many with no powers ever shown (Ishida and Ichigo killing dozens after the hollow bait, with no power shown anywhere).
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>>48366557
Mate, you told us that all hollows had interesting, unique abilities at the start of this. More strength and more spiritual pressure are neither. From what I'm seeing, none of these other hollows are every interesting or unique too. Only one that seems even a little useful is that little hollow making one that can turn them into bombs.
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>>48366404
So I'm assuming we need to figure out how to defeat him in as few perks/items as possible.
1: Sword of the Cross: All are equal under the Eyes of God.
2: Transporter (Worm): Path to his heart.
3: Action Commands (Asura's Wrath): Escalate enough to manage to get the kill.
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>>48366182
>drop-in ideas

Weren't there supposed to be nice aliens? Maybe a choice of waking up in a hotel room (human drop-in) or waking up in a crater surrounded by smoking spaceship debris (nice alien drop-in, choose your own appearance - e.g. grey, asari, lizard, human, BEM, whatever - from any sci-fi movie?).
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>>48366404
>http://pastebin.com/Uf1d9uPx

...

...huh.

I'm as surprised as anyone but-this is actually...manageable, if obviously a ridiculously hard fight with multiversal collateral damage? I mean, I'd have to throw in the towel if you'd given him access to Getter Rays, , Spirit Rank 10, direct access to the Root, status as a God Slayer empowered by the Great Will itself, an Eye of Harmony and a summoning contract with the Photon Birds but as it is-Madara's actually going to be at a disadvantage from what you've given him.

See, the Shining Trapehezedron actually damages things that hold it. Given its' operation invovles the destruction of billions of worlds, one can assume that's quite a substantial amount of damage-and he's not literally Demonbane, so he can't just find a copy of himself that's already mastered it/can tank it. Coupled with Madara HAVING the Mystic Eyes of Death and NO EXPLICIT TRAINING in using them, and he's...well, he's frankly more a danger to himself in the sense of accidentally obliterating himself/a vital aspect of reality by poking the wrong dot out of curiosity; even accounting for STTGL and Popeye's spinach supercharging his regen while GER corrects more serious fuckups, his own lack of experience in quantum uncertainty (remember how long it took Dr Manhattan to pull himself together the first time) and the high energy effect of things like the Speedforce is just gonna provide more opportunities for him to fuck up so badly GER can't fix it-after all, Giorno's absence in Steel Ball Run seems to indicate it caps out at universe-resetting.

But yeah, there wouldn't be a smart way to handle this one, just chuck attacks to make his own powers go haywire like a firebreak. Best plan would be to spam attacks like Megidolaon or Celestial Ray infused (thank you, Dual Art) with absurd amounts of Misfortune energy /at least/ scaled up to universal levels, and using The Binding to shunt all that Almighty misfortune directly into his very being.
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And since it didn't fit on that post-having said that, I admit I have no idea what the Kamen Rider Black RX suit is capable of so if I've made in error of judgement, it'll probably have to do with that.
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>>48366623
>>48366605

Anon, maybe like all powers it requires training em?

And the more bestial, less intelligent hollows, aren't really good examples of creative powers

Honestly? Is it really that much of difference in wanting hollow powers by staying drop in, instead of picking up Shinigami, getting drawback so your zanpaktou won't wake up this jump and making its powers in next jumps?

In the hollow scenario it requires some more steps and you don't get any free points. It's just flavour of source of powers that matters.
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>>48366706
Apart from all the ones who have no powers at all to train?

You mean like the ones you've been saying prove that all hollows have unique, interesting powers? Backtracking ahoy.

I don't really care because that was never what we were discussing, it's just a way for you to try and change the conversation. We were talking about your claim that all hollows have unique, interesting powers.

If you'll admit you were wrong or just stop responding entirely, the conversation can end.
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>>48363610
While I haven't weighed in, if Rukipedia gives permission, and only if Rukipedia gives permission, I would be willing to help with building the Zelda jumps for Link to the Past / Link Between Worlds, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess.

Also, in a similar vein, is Wukong still around?
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>>48366651
yes, there are friendly races, and I am currently debating on whether to make that a Drop-In option or 5th background option.

It is an interesting idea and I can see choosing certain alien abilities like telepathy being an option.
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>>48366756
Wukong released a jump earlier this year, I believe he is.
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>>48366635
Edit: DETERMINATION
Sundr (Banner Saga): Harder to kill with stronger will to live.
DETERMINATION: More Determination, and surviving one more blow.
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Oh, right-there's this thing someone I helped compile a while ago! That seems pertinent-albeit with some stuff swapped out 'cos I don't have it.

Pierce + Sting (conversion via Creative Composer) + Super Spin + Angel Slayer + Hougetsu Jigen-Tou + Scar Dead + Artificial Causality Weapon (Custom variant incorporating Transformium and 8-Bit Theater's Datasphere) + Blessing of Stravhs + Q This + Jam Semblance + Anti-Demon Wavelength + King Ranked: Water King (for Sword of Deprivation) + A Song For The Hopeless + Fists of Judgement(esque ability on a greater scale) + Anathema + Miss Fortune + Action Commands or Two Can Play That Game! + The Noble Eightfold Path + Exploitation Now! + Blessing of Death + Apotheosis + Starsinger + Page of Void (to buff The Binding) + Sympathic Magic + Dragon Stream + Unbound Casting + Resolved Casting + Smite + Double Tap + Herald + Our Monsters Are The Same + Scarlet Destiny + Psychic Bladex4

>>48366605
Every time I try to understand what people mean when they talk about Bleach, I feel like I understand a little less.

>>48366756
I last remembered him from a couple months ago releasing Spice & Wolf, I haven't heard from him since unfortunately.
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>>48366788
It's not really that complicated. Undead samurai run the afterlife, collect lost souls to bring them there and fight angry spirits so they can be sent to the afterlife in peace is the gist of the setting.

Even the powers are rarely that obscure or complex (Shunsui's shikai and a couple of the Espada abilities is the only really weird power I remember before the Final Blood War arc starts).

The main problem is the current arc, the final one that's been going on for 4 years or so, introduces a tonne of new stuff, most of which is unbelievably broken or just plain esoteric compared to the rest of the series (Though still nothing compared to how confusing stuff gets in Type Moon).
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>>48366808
Okay.

I'll have to take your word for that, because the likelihood of me getting into Bleach, ever, are less likely than my chances of growing an organic jetpack through sheer force of will.

But yeah, it's the weird crap about people retconning themselves at each other that confuses me. Also I swore some fucker called Yhwach was the most broken guy not that Aizen guy.

At least that spirit king dude makes for a decent avatar pic. Except he's, y'know, dead now.

Literally all else I know about Bleach is there's one clip from the show where two samurai-lookin' dudes have a teleport-behind-you race.
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>>48366834
Yeah, that weird crap is all from the last two arcs of the series. The abilities start going towards more 'hax' things (And in large numbers) and less of the basic shounen fare like energy blasts, elemental control, physical boosts and so on.
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>>48366834
>Yhwach
That guy is a pretty damned big nope.
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>>48366788
> Every time I try to understand what people mean when they talk about Bleach [...]
Okay, so, here's the basic skinny.
The afterlife is run by samurai soul people living in a feudal society. It kinda sucks balls.
But if people don't go there, they risk being eaten by or turning into Hollows, which sucks MORE balls (unless you're the biggest strongest Hollow, in which case it sucks slightly less balls than the Soul Society), so the samurai (called Shinigami -- literally, Grim Reapers) go around killing Hollows and guiding souls to the Soul Society.

Sometimes Hollows get really super strong and do stuff, and sometimes there's infighting and evil plots in the Soul Society, and everyone regularly gets to stupid Vegeta-arc DBZ levels of power levels pretty regularly with some retarded Fate level conceptualism powers thrown in.
In fact, you could almost think of Bleach as the middle ground between Fate and DBZ.

All the different factions generally have different names for all their special moves and shit, but it's stupid and pointless and there's basically no difference between them.
Most factions and offshoots either lean against Shinigamis or Hollows as a source of their powers.
Except Quincies, a third faction, who hate fucking everyone and want everyone to die because they are Literal Nazis.
Cuz anime ain't subtle, natch.

Really? That's about all you have to know.
And there's a bunch of pissing matches between people and factions, but it's all stupid.
S'bout it.
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Was there an update for SupCom and Robocop? They're both in the new upload folder.
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>>48366926
The Jumpmaker added Selectable Text.
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>>48366888
>>48366845
>>48366844
Oh god, that sounds horrible.

And Bleach was fairly early too. I'm jotting it down on the vague list of Jumps That Made ASA Drink, And Also Convinced Him To Become ASA.

And just as a hypothetical, I assume anyone else trying to implement a new, less horrible form of afterlife would basically get teamganked by all the groups there?
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>>48366947
Yes. You can probably add Squad Zero and the Spirit King as enemies if you try that.
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>>48366635
>>48366782
Why do you always bite at bait and respond to shitposting? What is wrong with you, Alice?
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>>48366947
Adding in a new afterlife might technically unbalance things so that the existing worlds kind of collide, that's apparently a concern. Killing the spirit king also causes the worlds to collide, but if someone takes his place quickly enough that can be reversed. However if the number of souls between the afterlife and earth gets unbalanced the two could collide.
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>>48366888
I love this description.
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>>48366979
Because it seemed like a vaguely entertaining way to spend 30 seconds.
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>>48366947
The problem with the afterlife isn't anything innate to it, it's that the people in charge don't care. They idolize feudal Japanese society and don't care about the well-being of the souls within it unless they're spiritually powerful enough to enter any of their military organizations.

>>48366979
That seems more like the post was a joke.
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>>48366947
>>48366947
> And just as a hypothetical [...]
Yeah, probably.

Hypothetically? Aizen wanted to do that, and he ends up become the major arc villain for 90% of the series. This stuff with Yhwach the Quincy King is all crammed in out of nowhere in the last 10%, and he wants to murder all the Soul Reapers and then (???).
But the villains are, well, VILLAINS, and tremendous assholes with god complexes who regularly gank their own teammates for giggles. They're hardly the kind of people you'd want in charge of anything.

And then obviously the Shinigami think everything's fine as is, and will try to stop you if you try to overthrow them, no matter how benign you try to be about it.

Hollows probably won't give a shit, though. They're kindof barbarian/rampaging monster types. Even at the upper levels, when they start getting smarter, they're pretty individualistic and selfishly motivated.

But all the others? Would absolutely try to step on your throat.
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>>48366182
>drop-in
Seems mostly focused on the first movie, so: you have Military, Scientist, Politician, Alien... so sources for the Drop-In in the first movie might be the kid, the dust cropper, the exotic dancer, the staff at the television station, various cameos, basically all the Civilians? That doesn't really lend itself to much in the way of interesting perks, though. Don't forget to include a RV in the Gear section...

Maybe a different structure?

Species: Human (starting location roll various Earth locations or a prison/medical/science facility on an Alien ship) OR Alien (starting location on Mothership or a prison/medical/science facility e.g. Area 51 on Earth)

Roles: Civilian (political and science perks) OR Military (combat and strategy perks) OR Drop-In (the weird shit perks)
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>>48365497
Kung Fu Hustle jump is Mine, If you want to see the Work In Progress, here's the link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FeqFpjOJUOjCojTGxTwJdXBCUUr5cTydt6GbBklG7mk/edit
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>>48366558
Pretty sure they can't.
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>>48367010
Do we know at all whether other nations have their own afterlife setups? Or does everyone on Earth end up in the one Japanese afterlife megacity?
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>>48366946
And also selectable text for Terminator and True Lies. YAY!
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Update on Independence Day jump.

http://pastebin.com/Mkixeqmd

>Preliminary perks for backgrounds except for Drop-In which is till under review.
>Drawback Adjustments

Chime in if you want a Resistance Race to be Drop-In or another background choice, option to build their appearance or import from previous jumps.
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>>48367053
The implication is that Soul Society is the only such organisation, but whether that means they service the whole world or everywhere outside Japan is neck deep in Hollows is anyone's guess.
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>>48367079
Really torn between wanting to go Genius or Alien here.

>>48367053
It's one of those "Japan is the only place that matters" series. We don't know, because we never see anything outside of Karakura Town, which purportedly exists in Japan.

... and I really mean that. Other than the Soul Society, and the Hollow's Place that has some retarded Spanish name that I'm too lazy to look up because fuck it, we don't see ANYTHING in the living world except for Karakura Town. Even the rest of Japan might as well not even exist.
It always kindof gives me a mild existential crisis when people say "The easiest way to avoid the plot is to move to the next town over", because while that's probably 100% true, we don't even know what the next town over is, or how far away it is.
We see a couple establishing shots of Karakura and I'm not even sure there are roads leading out from it. It's really weird.


>>48366993
I love you too, anon!
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>>48367043
I was looking at making the Drop-In like the African warlord or perhaps one of the Resistance races but I like your structure idea.

>Don't forget to include a RV in the Gear section
Can't believe that slipped my mind.
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>>48367125
We see a flashback of chad in, what is supposedly, mexico.
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>>48367125
W-what! I said the description! Not you! H-how could anyone L-love you! It's not like I constantly find your stories adorable and want to give you hugs.
Baka!
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>>48366163
And from Shinigami you can upgrade yourself to Visored and gain Hollow Powers.
>>48366255
Hollows can gain the powers of other hollows they consume. And gitten a bit bitten off and eaten stops a Hollow's evolution... But a Vasto Lorde has no futher Hollow Evolution.
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>>48367173
Hollows don't get the specific powers of hose they eat, just their general power/spiritual level added to their own. If they did, why do all the ones we see never show more then one power? Especially when most of the arrancar should have eaten tens of thousands of other hollows at least. Of course, that problem is solved by just saying that most hollows don't posses any special abilities huh?
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>>48366596
No such thing
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>>48367138
More ideas for Gear... uh, actually, looong list, here's the URLs for all the aircraft and ground vehicles in ID4:
air - http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=Independence_Day
ground - http://www.imcdb.org/movie.php?id=116629
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>>48367236
Grand Fisher became an Arrancar without ever becoming a Menos.
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>>48367236
All an Arrancar is is a hollow who took off their own mask and survived. Almost all the ones we see in series are menos hollows before that because Aizen wanted the strongest hollows for his army.
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>>48367217
Aronero has Kaien Shiba's soul because they ate the hollow that ate him. But I think the main thing is if you're a collection of thousands of small powers, you're going to pump most of your focus into the strongest, most useful powers. I bet most Hollows have unique abilities... they just for the most part suck.... which is why that hollow gets eaten and doesn't do the eating. And most Hollows kinda lose their identities when they pass into the Gillian state, until one hollow within that mass gains dominance and asserts itself enough to become a... damn... forget the name... Ajduchas? something like that. All the Arrancars where Gillians, Adjectives, or Vasto Lordes (Stark and Tier Harribel)
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>>48367236
They exist, they're just complete pussies so nobody cares about them.
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>>48367263
Grand Fisher was probably an Adjuchas, not a regular hollow.
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>>48367301
Aaronerio's resureccion power was absorbing other powers. It is not something any other hollow possesses. The rest of your post is entirely without evidence to back it up and is mostly 'I bets' and theories.
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>>48367302
it specifically says in the show and manga that there is only one Gillian Arrancar and it is strongly implied that all the others are Adjuchas or higher.
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>>48367318
It specifically says in the show that Soul Society isn't worried about non menos arrancar because they're weak. The only ones they care about are Gillian class or above hollows that become arrancar.
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>>48367317
The evolutionary path of Hollows is specifically laid out in the show. Hollow, Gillian, Adjuchas, Vasto Lorde. Also how a Gillian forms from hollows eating each other and how Adjuchas form from Gillians eating each other, and then Vasto Lordes, in theory, forming from Adjuchas eating each other.
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>>48363149
I legitimately don't get it.

From how it's been described, it isn't anywhere near chainbreaking. 90% resistance to damage in 5 seconds isn't 'broken strong'. Clairvoyance through every part of the body and mindrape on physical contact aren't that big a deal either.

What, how does this break the chain? It's not time travel, or omnipotence, or the ability to freely travel the multiverse. It seems really weak for something that's being banned outright.

Also, you seem to have miss read the post you were responding to. The question was, when was the last time you got shit for NOT banning something.
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>>48367333
Save it for next thread.
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>>48367332
None of which has any basis on whether hollows get the powers of those they eat when the original fact you base that idea off of is wrong. Aaroniero is the one with the copying ability, that is something made notable about him, it is not something all hollows do anytime they eat something. Go check the wiki and relevant manga pages if you like. I'll wait.
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>>48367079
Dodge Explosions Perk?
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>>48367318
>>48367236
http://www.mangapoint.net/manga/bleach/197/14

You don't need to be a menos to take off your mask.
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>>48367312
Considering he nearly loses to the strawberry before the first appearance of something referred to as a menos, and was never refered to as one, not a chance.
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>>48367079
Will there be a perk that explains how the fuck humanity managed to not only rebuild after the City Destroyers blew up at least thirty-six of the world's most populous cities, crashed on up to thirty-five more, killed ~3 billion humans (according to the novel Crucible) and ALSO built bases on the Moon and Mars AND a large orbital defense network, all in a mere 20 years?
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>>48367333
>90% resistance to damage in 5 seconds isn't 'broken strong'.
Sentients can get complete immunity to anything in 5 seconds. Including physical damage. It is totally broken.
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Would Hastur get a chuckle out of me taking off my (Hollow) Mask?
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>>48367388
Star Power from Mario lets you become completley invincible for 20 seconds a month. We've got a few items that give a second or two of invincibility too. There's one in Tower of God for instance.

Point is, it's not new in jumpchain.
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>>48367397
a few items that give a second or two of invincibility and can be reused in short periods*
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>>48367377
It's a legitimate argument. How is it so overpowered that it needs to be banned when the examples of feats given to justify it are nowhere near the level of hype they're given? How does it trivialize and break the chain when it's still on the level of mundane ability?
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>>48367397
Not for, in.
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>>48367408
Huh?
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>>48367397
20 seconds a month is way different than developing complete and permanent invincibility to anything in 5 seconds guy. It isn't a limited ability that lets you pop an invicible shield or what have you it is complete invincibility.
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>>48367388
It isn't reality warping, that's for sure.
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>>48367412
Ohh. My bad. I thought you meant it lasted for 5 seconds, not it was permanent after then. Still not impossible to gain in other jumps but definitely not through CP purchases anywhere that I know of.
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>>48367403
>>48363149
>>48367388

Listen, I'm not very familiar with Warframe but hear me out: You know how in-universe Sting is considered to tear through everything but the mp says exotic fects can stall it?

Why not just have a note like that about those abilities?
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>>48367372
Two words, Jeff....Goldblum
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>>48367397
>invincible for 20 seconds a month. We've got a few items that give a second or two of invincibility too.
>20 seconds a month is the same as complete invincibility with no limit.

Try harder.
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>>48367418
I made a mistake alright mate? Already admitted I screwed up and misread things.
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>>48367343
In a rare moment on this forum, someone will admit they were wrong. That person is me. You are correct.
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>>48367415
*The jump says

Fuck mobile devices
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>>48367423
Glad we could be reasonable.
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>>48367426
I always get a bit of a giggle when I see someone obviously posting from mobile, out of place Ns and periods, capitalized stuff for no reason, cut off sentences. Mobile is a bane on these threads only because mobile is shit for typing.
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>>48367415
It doesn't even particularly matter to me. I'm not going to warframe, even if that was available to me, seeing as it really doesn't have anything of value at the point in my chain where I'd take it.

That said, I must insist that it still isn't nearly as broken as it's being claimed to be, nowhere near chain breaking levels of bullshit. It might trivialize warframe as a setting, but it sure as fuck doesn't trivialize or destroy the rest of Jumpchain in terms of powerlevel.
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>>48367423
>>48367420
Heh. two in a row. funny.

This section of the manga strongly implies that all hollows have unique abilities, just like fullbringers.
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>>48367440
Which is great, but needs to be supported by what is shown in series. Which is that all hollows don't have unique abilities or, if they do, they're extremely minor, so much that most hollows never show them. It can imply all it likes but, much like Itachi's 'hot as the sun' fire, unless it's backed up and NOT CONTRADICTED (This is important) by the series, it doesn't matter much.
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>>48367439
1 sentient has the power to create an entire army of invulnerable robots as well as project their conciousness through anything. Not to mention still function as a charred husk.

The second is Natah also known as the lotus, and she somehow manages to cross a starsystem, break into your ship, save your ass, and give you an exposition in a few minutes time it takes you to fight the stalker.
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>>48367439
Sure. I'm mainly posting for the purposes of providing constructive feedback for consideration anyway.
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>>48367440
Oh, and to add on. It doesn't actually outright say every hollow has special abilities. It's just as easy to see it as saying that if they had special abilities, they'd be formed from their gouged out hearts. So I wouldn't agree it 'strongly' implies anything.
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>>48367440
That page makes it seem like the power that would have gone to their Zanpakuto (if they are good enough to access it) is now on their face.

Acid spit hollow might have had an acid flinging release. Maybe it's as rare for them to get it as it is for Shinigami to activate their Shikai? That's just supposition on my part though.

But that's just what I get from that image, and it seems kinda cool.

I have no stake in this conversation, just commenting on something that interests me.
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Apparently dogs can become Hollows and even Arrancar.
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Probably last update before going to bed.

Independence Day Jump v.0.4
>http://pastebin.com/0y7tsYP7

*Added more gear
*Orbital death lasers
*Magic recycling can
*New companion
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>>48367480
We see a bunch of bugs and animal hollows in the desert and forest I think. Maybe Hueco Mundo has it's own wildlife? Soul Society seems to as well.
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>>48367439
The tech level of the orokin was insanely high and it only took 1 sentient to destroy their civilization.
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>>48367485
Guess all dogs do go to heaven.
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>>48367477
Well, given at upper levels Shinigami start upgrading to develop Hollow abilities, and Hollows start mimicking Shinigami, that's probably not far off.
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>>48367466
>>48367487
So? That isn't helping your case. All you've done is solidify their powerlevels at significantly below chainbreaking.

Unless it's time travel, Multiverse navigation, or Reality warping on the level of omnipotence, then calling it chainbreaking is just hyperbole.
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>>48367489
But hueco mundo is mexican hell.
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>>48367463
>>48367477
>>48367474
Perhaps it is better to say, and maybe we can all agree, that all Hollows (like all Shinigami) have the potential to have unique powers, whether or not they have had the growth needed to actually unlock said powers/shikai, is another matter?
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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