Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

>>48341640
Why does blizzard love the retcon so much? Even warcraft 2 retconed like half of the established orc backstory.

>>48341672
because every time they make a new game they try to make the lore more serious, and since the games are very unserious, it just turns into a mess

>>48341672
In case of WC2 it was probably mostly because they didn't really think the backstory for the first game too hard (it started as a tech demo for a Warhammer RTS, and when GW didn't give them the license they decided to continue making the game anyway, with generic fantasy orcs vs humans), and when they did the second game they had a more clear idea of the kind of story they wanted to tell and what the setting should be like.

A lot of the later stuff is them just forgetting some details (like the whole Draenei lore mess), or putting game mechanics ahead of the lore and retconning the lore to match them.

>>48341734
the draenei gave us literal semen demons, so its cool.

>>48341734
I guess. it's still kind of awkward though. I like the orcs becoming good in Warcraft 3. But going back and replaying Warcraft 2 makes it clear just how sloppily the retcon actualy was.

>>48341774
.....What?

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>>48341804
the draenei retcon gave us literal good demons who had perfect waifus

So what happened to the guy who was going to run the 4e warcraft game?

>>48341994
he said he'd take at least a week to sort things out

if Blizzard made MoP but included a different race as the good guys instead of Pandaren, everyone would think it was great lorewise, but the kung fu panda memes ruined it

>>48342420
the pandaren wouldn't be a problem if blizzard didn't make it into a meme caricature of china and push heavy handed peacenik bullshit in a game that is designed around faction conflict

>notChina is a glorious land of peace ruled by angels and wise leader
>foreigners ruin everything
>notChinese teach them philosophy and why holding hands and singing kumbayah is nice in a setting which has literal demons from hell trying to destroy the world.

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>>48342420
Pretty much, yes. It's actually genuinely good storywise for the most part. The standard problem of flimsy justification for Team Red vs Blue fighting still persists, though, and Siege of Orgrimmar has a really weak ending because any actual ending would upset the status quo (which makes me question why they though making SoO was a good idea, as they must've known they couldn't give it a satisfactory ending), but most of the storyline is good and the new lore is nice. It helps that most of it is focused on stuff that hasn't been seen before, so there's less chanse of making pointless retcons or butchering existing characters.

>>48341853
Draenei retcon was probably an improvement overall, even if I wish they'd have handled it differently. The new draenei are pretty cool, and have lots more story potential than them being just another primitive race on Draenor that got their asses kicked by the orc. Plus, they have the best waifus.

But I wish they'd have kept the old draenei as their own thing and introduced the new draenei as a different race. There's also the part where Blizz forgot the original fluff for Sargeras had the eredar and dreadlords corrupting him instead of him corrupting the eredar, but that ultimately doesn't have a huge effect on the setting, and I actually preferred the newer version (where it wasn't a specifc group of demons who turned him evil with lolcorruption, but him fighting demons and other abomination for so long that he had a breakdown and decided that the universe must be flawed for so much evil to exist, and the only solution was the wipe the table clean and start from scratch).

>>48341994
Is there some kind of 4e warcraft supplement out there?

>>48342534
>notChinese teach them philosophy and why holding hands and singing kumbayah is nice in a setting which has literal demons from hell trying to destroy the world.
Tbh that's exactly why they SHOULD hold hands and sing kumbayah. When there's a literal legion of demons from hell seeking to burn the entire world, wasting time and lives on petty squabbles between Red and Blue instead of joining forces to fight the guys who want to kill you both, along with everything else in the universe, is just stupid.

>>48342668
Just tired memes about WoW Edition.

>>48340277
that could still happen. I want really want jaina & kt to team up. Shes been scorned by dalaran and hes got a free schedual. Its what arthas would have wanted

>>48342420
Seriously. Alliance should get Jinyu and Horde should get Hozen.
And with WoW, they could have added something like Arakkoa to the Alliance and Ogres to the Horde.
I like the idea that someone proposed in an old thread that the Arakkoa, for their physical classes, be the tall, pre-curse Arakkoa and the casters would be the hunched, cursed Arakkoa.
And physical class Ogres would have one head, casters would get two.
It's not perfectly aligned with the lore, but I do like the idea of classes having some physical distinction for some races.

>>48342637
>There's also the part where Blizz forgot the original fluff for Sargeras had the eredar and dreadlords corrupting him instead of him corrupting the eredar,
honestly, I always thought it made more sense if the annihilan and nathrezim were the ones that drove Sargeras insane instead of the eredar. It's just seems more their style, Archimonde wouldn't corrupt Sargeras, he'd just fucking kill him, he ain't got time for sneaking and planning and fag shit like that

>>48340277
>>48342728
Jaina's dragon boyfriend has access to the Nexus. All the magical power of Azeroth flows through there. And when you fight Malygos, he claims that there's enough power there to destroy the entire planet ten times over.
Imagine Jaina getting her hands on that sort of power.

>>48342750
The Eredar were mentioned as just so sadistically cruel that they, along with the Nathrezim, were what drove Sargeras over the edge of sanity to the point that he decided that all of creation was salvageable and it needed to be burned to the ground and started over.
Not necessarily "corrupting" him, just were the final straw that broke his camel's back of sanity/

>>48342637
>ringlet hair

Patrician as fuck, I do declare.

>>48342750
That has more to do with Archimonde being a mongoloid. Corruption is the premier modus operandi of KJ on the other hand.

>>48341399
Yeah that was the joke

>>48341377
>>48341499
I don't think it was a small remnant.
It was the veterans of probably the most powerful human nation.

>>48342781
>so sadistically cruel
which is why changing the eredar for the pit lords makes sense post retcon. The pit lords are brutally cunning and the dreadlords are cunningly brutal, Sargeras eventually got tired of fixing their shit and decided that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em

>>48342857
Ya got it mixed up, doc. Pit lords are cunningly brutal, and nathrezim are brutally cunning.

And Sargeras did fix their shit by locking them away in Mardun, but decided he hated the Void Lords even more and became Mega-Arthas.

>>48342736
>Hozen
Hozen are lame as fuck, though. They're barely a race, and more like just talking monkeys. At least the Pandaren have some distinction from just being pandas, like being bipedal and having a distinct culture and architecture.

And although I am totally up for Arakkoa for Alliance, not every expansion needs to introduce new races. Besides, one of the few good things from WoD was the development of Draenei culture and society. Introducing the Arakkoa as playable would likely reduced that.

Arakkoa were pretty damned awesome in WoD, though, and I could see a reasonable excuse for then appearing in the future is the discovery that the Spires of Arakk survived Draenor's destruction and exists as a shard like Outland.

>>48342857
Think you got pitlords and dreadlords mixed up. Dreadlords are clearly the brutally cunning ones (their whole MO is manipulating everybody from the shadows), while pitlords are cunningly brural (they smash you in the face, really hard).

>>48342925
>more like just talking monkeys
So... typical Horde players.

>>48342857
Natherzim are cunning.
Pit lords are brutal.
To the Eredar they were second rate.

>>48342925
>Arakkoa were pretty damned awesome in WoD, though, and I could see a reasonable excuse for then appearing in the future is the discovery that the Spires of Arakk survived Draenor's destruction and exists as a shard like Outland.
That, and the fact that it's hinted that the reason the Apexis (the super-advanced Arakkoa civilization that originally built all the robots and sun-lasers thousands of years ago; the High Arakkoa just unearthed and copied their designs) disappearred was because they built a spaceship and fuck off to space. They might still be out there, cruising around on spaceborn "sky-palaces" armed with batteries of grossly incandescent turbolasers.

Why are you talking about what should be in future world of warcraft expansions?

>>48342925
>Hozen are lame as fuck, though. They're barely a race, and more like just talking monkeys.
getting to genocide those shitters was the best part of playing an Alliance character in Pandaria. The jinyu were cool though

>>48341853

Why are they so perfect?

>>48343345
the naaru secretly selected the hottest eredar women for the Genedar so repopulating their race would be easier.

>>48343069
Wait. You get to genocide a entire race when playing alliance in Mop? Danm.

>>48341853
Well. I wouldn't go so far as perfect. But i do like their accent.

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>>48342755
>implying Jaina would ever go crazy

>>48343461
>Implying Jaina isn't already kind of crazy.

>>48343345
Did you see those QTs in the warcraft movie?

I didn't hate the movie, I thought it was okay.

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>>48343461
>implying she's not already

>>48343495

>implying I would give money

there was draenei in the movie?

>>48343430
every time there's a Hozen village you get a quest to slaughter them. It's not total genocide, but it's close enough for someone who had to suffer through them leveling a Horde character

>>48343495
that scene did a great job of setting up Gul'dan to be the best part of the movie

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>>48343495
I'd like to see Duncan Jones' director's cut. He had to trim over 40 minutes out to get the studio to approve it for theaters.
>>48343516
Briefly. Before they all die. The movie does kinda gloss over that those were the last draenei on the planet after the Orcs just got done genociding the fuck out of them.
One nice touch was that Gul'dan's spike skulls were changed to draenei skulls.
Despite a few changes from the old lore, Gul'dan was probably the best part of the movie.

>>48343516
At the start, when the Horde is on Draenor. In cages.

>>48343522
Ah. Well fair enough. I was personally mostly fine with them. Not my first choice for a new playable race.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY OGRE'S!

>>48343547
Yes. And i kind of expect Gul Dan to be even better in the inevitable Warcraft 2 movie.

>>48343547
I thought it was watchable, and I enjoyed it. I certainly think it could have done with more backstory on some of the characters, and have Grom Hellscream be a background character with no lines was a weird choice.

It wasn't an earth shatteringly good movie, but it also wasn't the worst movie ever made. It was fairly average.

>>48343345
>Tall
>Posture that emphacises the ass
>Sexy accent
>Exotic look and skin color
>Built-in handlebars
>/waggle
>Kind and compassionate
>Loyal, dutyful and devoted
>Highly intelligent and adept in both arcane and holy magic

Draenei women are without doubt the best waifus. They've got pretty much all traits I'd value in a girl, and are also blue semen-demons.

>>48343581
I went into it expecting to absolutely loathe it.
I left feeling rather "meh."
There were a lot of nice touches for fans to notice. Like Medivh's manservant, Moroes being present.
Grom and Kargath are both present, but just in the background with no lines or dialogue acknowledging them.
And how the final fight was like an actual boss fight with the warrior taunting and the mage kiting the add to a specific point while the main boss undergoes multiple phases.
The Orcs were the ones I was really afraid of how they were going to be handled. I fully expected them to be turned into complete "dindu nuffin" good boys. They weren't. They really had the feel of the noble savage character that Warcraft 3 had given them and didn't skimp on the savage part.

>>48343642
>The Orcs were the ones I was really afraid of how they were going to be handled
I think this was how most people felt. but they ended up being the best part of the movie

>>48343547
There might still be some hiding out somewhere, like in the MU. Orcs thought they killed them all, but some survived by hiding in Zangarmarsh and other places.

Gul'dan was definitely the best part of the movie. He was as much of a colossal asshole as he should. I kind of wish they'd have him do the speech he does in WoD when he has Kilrogg drink demonblood ("You...Will be a scourge of a hundred worlds...The might...of a Legion!) Could've easily fit that to when he's supposed to be showing the other orcs the power of fel magic. And would've served as a little nod to the Legion being around (despite not really mentioned in the movie; Mediev is still possessed but in the movie you don't learn it was by Sargeras, or that the Legion is a thing).

>>48343658
Yeah, it's difficult to introduce people to a fantasy setting with a villainous race, but that they're not all bad and make us care about them as individuals.
Fantasy generally has to keep it simple for the stupids, even for established settings.

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>>48343502
>>48343492
That's called "retaliation". When people under your command betray you and help those who have destroyed your city, you tend to get a little bit upset.

>>48343705
Yeah, the only mention of the Legion at all is Garona telling Lothar or Khadgar that Gul'dan was communicating with someone he called a demon.
They did kinda skimp over the whole demon blood thing and just have Guldy waggle his fingers to give the "gift of the fel" to orcs like Blackhand.
That was a little disappointing.

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>>48343705
>("You...Will be a scourge of a hundred worlds...The might...of a Legion!)
too bad Kilrogg isn't demony enough to come back in Legion

>>48343642
>The Orcs were the ones I was really afraid of how they were going to be handled. I fully expected them to be turned into complete "dindu nuffin" good boys. They weren't. They really had the feel of the noble savage character that Warcraft 3 had given them and didn't skimp on the savage part.

I think Duncan and blizzard were wrong with trying to go with "it's not good vs evil, it's 50/50".
Invading people who haven't done anything wrong is not 50/50.
It didn't appear 50/50 though like they wanted, at least not to me, so it was a little better than I expected imo.
The orcs seemed like evil assholes you should defeat and if all of them die while you're defending your lands it isn't so bad.
There were some decent softer characteristics they managed to portray though.
Even super evil Gul Dan had a moment with how he appears like an elder medicine man for Drakka while saving Thrall. Sure he does things for so he stays in power, but it was still a good deed.
Durotan seemed conflicted, wanted to end things, but he's from a society where war solves everything. He seemed kinda hopeless while saying that, frustrated probably with how he sees no easy answer.
The orcs trying to move away from Gul Dan after he cheats, Orgrim calling him out on his bs, the orcs ignoring him after Lothar defeated blackhand.
Were all nice.

Shame they fucked up the size so I can't take a fight between even a fully armored human and an orc seriously.
It's a World of Warcraft movie with modern blizzard sensibilities set during the time of the first war rather than an Orcs vs Human movie sadly.

The character relationships and the events in this one makes it harder to make a second war movie work.

>>48343793
>Shame they fucked up the size so I can't take a fight between even a fully armored human and an orc seriously
It gave them an excuse to give the humans guns and have the /pol/tards of /tv/ calling it "redpilled" because it shows glorious white man saving his womenfolk from evil, brown-skinned savages using the glorious firearm to even the playing field despite the physical strength disparity.

>>48343850
>It gave them an excuse to give the humans guns
Yup, and guns in the first war is one of my issues with the movie.

>>48343928
At least they gave credit to the dwarves, who provided the cannons in the Second War.
And showed that, while Stormwind was in good standing to call a meeting of different races, they weren't the full Alliance yet, and so everyone walked out and left Stormwind to its fate.
Though they're going to have to come up with new lore showing Stormwind being sacked and Lothar leading the refugees to Lordaeron.
Maybe the second movie will be Warcraft's Empire Strike Back.
But then, we'd still need a third movie to begin the Second War. And THAT's a lot of ground to cover.

>>48343990
>Though they're going to have to come up with new lore showing Stormwind being sacked and Lothar leading the refugees to Lordaeron.
I hope they go with the real lore and have Cho'gall and Kilrogg lead the attack

>>48344009
Yeah, I forgot to mention Gul'dan being in a coma because he was trying to rip the location of Sargeras' tomb from Medivh's mind when Lothar and Khadgar killed him.

>>48343793
>>48343850
>>48343928
>>48343990
The excessive size difference between the humans and orcs was pretty ridiculous. I was a little disappointed in the movie with how it was well-established that the humans shouldn't take them with brute force, something Lothar even points out, and then one of the scenes following that being their stealth mission where they ditched the armor. When I saw that I thought, "Oh, neat, they're changing tactics and focusing on dexterity over strength." And then all of the fight scenes after that had them back in full plate and fighting the orcs head-on.

That's why I was pretty okay with the guns in the last battle; it finally showed the humans changing tactics against the orcs.

>>48342534
Did you pay any attention to the Pandaria lore? The entire reason Pandaren preach peace so strongly is that feeling negative emotions too strongly in Pandaria causes Sha to bust out of your asshole and kill everything.

>>48342668
The Warcraft and World of Warcraft RPG books use 3.x, funnily enough.

>>48341447
I always felt that the "aesthetic" of healing through shielding allies from damage would fit paladins better than their holy spec

>>48342534
>in a game that is designed around faction conflict
A game that has been designed around faction conflict only since the Kossaklysm.

Unless you were on a PvP server faction conflict was a sideshow and should have remained a sideshow.

>>48341786
Honestly, if that adventure game starring Thrall that never got off the ground had been made the suddenly shift in WarCraft 3 would have been much less dramatic.
That entire game is basically about bridging the gap between 2 and 3 and slowly building up to the reveal that while the orcs are dangerous and tough they aren't pure evil blood-addled lunatics.

Instead it just gets dropped on you as backround lore in WC3 and it's sort of jarring.

>>48344334
Not really that funny or even that surprising.
OGL meant everyone could churn out a crappy game with the lore they desperately wanted the publish but couldn't make a system for using the d20 System completely legally and for no effort.

>>48344397
>"aesthetic"
Blizzard's buzzword of choice is "class fantasy"

>>48344512
That's why I liked Grom more than Thrall in WC3 (also, blademaster being better hero than farseer certainly helped)...showing he's a bloodthirsty asshole fitting with WC2 orcs.

>>48344558
I despise blizzard trying to understand and refine class fantasy.

So much unnecessary pruning. Though at least legion makes earthquake instant cast even if the CD is still way too long and the targeting is manual.

I quit my shaman when they nerfed chain lightning and buffed earthquake, I would rather spam one button than actually cast earthquake.

>>48344731
If Grom wasn't there I wouldn't have bought the transition.
An orc character like him on the new hordes side(most of the time) was really necessary to make it work.

>(also, blademaster being better hero than farseer certainly helped)
Yeah Thrall isn't a very satisfying hero to control. Even buffed up with loads of items on the final map he feels week.

Unlike Arthas in the two first campaigns.

Frostmourne Arthas, chaos grom and Illidan
So good

>>48344557
Humor is derived from 4e being constantly labeled as "WoW tabletop" when the actual WoW tabletop rpg is 3.x

>>48343642
Same here. Outside of editing, slightly wooden acting (understandable) and a few really bad effects I thought it was servicable. My biggest problem remains with the orc design. Whyyy they had to be hulk sized confounds me. When iirc their ingame midle is shorter than the humans?

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>>48344992
Slightly taller and much, much broader.
Yeah, the movie kinda made them a bit too big. I would have been fine if they made the green orcs huge and the regular orcs the "canon" size, to show the allure of accepting the Fel.

>>48344749
Worst thing Blizzard did in WoD was removing warlock's Glyph of Demon Hunting in preparation of their newest cashgrab scheme... I mean, new class in Legion.

I miss my tanky warlock

>>48345058
The issue is that hollywood just does not have cartoonishly massive men.

In fact they're like 80% manlet and even their largest actors are not warcraft-human sized.

>>48344794
Yes. It was always shock after OP Frostmourne paladin Arthas (seriously, he could easily solo the whole map... I did it a week ago) to shitty deathknight Arthas at the start of undead campaign.

I wish there was playable dreadlord in RoC Scourge campaign...really, they were the only faction without all their skirmish/MP heroes playable.

And I loved playing Sylvanas in TFT. No offence to Anub'arak, but I'd prefered Dark Ranger as a new undead hero instead of giant bug.

>>48344843
That's the thing, Warcraft (and WoW) RPGs were Warcraft inspired by 3.x D&D. 4e D&D was RPG inspired by WoW

>>48345184
I'd ask for a citation, but I already know your main source is the inside of your ass.

>>48343850
>>48343928

>Humans having guns in the first war

Well, I SUPPOSE to be honest it makes sense that given Warcraft's technology they'd be using rifled muskets instead of the crossbow spam like they did in the actual WCI (cause you know; muskets are a lot cheaper than crossbows) but it still feels like they just weren't paying attention to the sheer difference in technology between WCI and WoW, which is pretty huge. The armor style of the footmen isn't even accurate, instead being Third War era plate.

>>48345172
Eh, you could buy her as a mercenary which is nice because it gave every faction a mind control hero that could say, steal a building unit and multi-tech-tree.


And even if it's completely inefficient in an ACTUAL game, multiteching is hilariously good fun if you can get everyone to agree to wait before actually fighting each other.

>>48345172
>(seriously, he could easily solo the whole map... I did it a week ago)
Yeah it is so satisfying.
Everything else on defense and he just goes and mows everything down.
Sure I fall back a bit, but still.
45 seconds of invulnerability, 15 seconds of vulnerability and that chaos damage that turns buildings into butter.

I think Sylvanas had much better missions than Anub'arak did.
I have a soft spot for that geographical area.
Mechanically I'm not sure I prefeer the dark ranger over the crypt lord.

>>48345293
In a casual FFA you can probably pull it off.

Might go for an AI game where I aim to get Dark Ranger+Priestess of the Moon and a Blood Mage.
All flavors of elf unite.

In broodwar I sometimes used zerg pops just for drones in some ffa games when I was playing protoss.
Didn't care to tech the zerg up, but I can free up some psi by using drones instead.

>>48345404
I remember a friend told me he was watching a video where a group of friends banned their best Terran player from going Terran since he always nuke-rushed and blew them all up.

...So he went Protoss and stole a human builder and then nuked them all anyway.

But yeah Multiteching lets you do sill things like experiment with a basic infantry or even worker guy under the effects of ALL the auras fighting against something normally stronger.

>>48345404
>>48345462
Although speaking of the actual units, holy SHIT did the standard Ogre mercenary suck balls.

It was like a worse footman, and in TFT's Rexxar campaign you can I believe only build magi and the basic unit in the final level of the second campaign.

The Ogres in the "Sylvanus gathers a coalition" level were at least buffed so they weren't total shit.

(I also loved that level and want to one-day run a PnP campaign vaguely based on making a multispecies coalition against the scourge without the aid of excessive mind control so players have to diplomance various factions together.)

>>48345512

You talking about the Ogre Warrior? It is sort of odd that they have 300 less health than the Orc Grunt even though they're the same level.

And Sylvanus had the benefit of being able to call on Ogre Maulers, which are closer in strength to unupgraded knights and actually useful.

>>48345512
>(I also loved that level and want to one-day run a PnP campaign vaguely based on making a multispecies coalition against the scourge without the aid of excessive mind control so players have to diplomance various factions together.)
I've been thinking something similar.

but less about fighting the scourge, and more about surviving and helping people in that terrible situation and forming unconventional alliances.
Like forest trolls suck in the eyes of the classic alliance party, but at least they aren't undead.

>>48345632
>>48345512
Yeah the ogres in wc3 were weird, considering what absolute monsters they were in wc2.

I played through the human campaigns in wc2 quite recently, not any of the orc campaigns.
There's one mission you get help from the laughing skull clan in beyond the dark portal though and jesus christ it was a stomp once I hade a bunch of bloodlusted ogre mages.

>>48345632
Yeah she had I think the Ogre T2 as her T1 and the Woundmasters as well, plus War-mages instead of just mages (I forget what the other spell war mages got was, I think it was Slow as a nice counterpoint to Bloodlust but I may be mistaken)

>>48345696
Also things like the Horde and Jaina's alliance slowly trickling back from Kalimdor, the Thorium Brotherhood War-Profiteering but in a way that actually does benefit the living (Because I like Dark Irons and golems make great anti-undead units! Plus they may want to learn about Gargoyles or something)

>>48345726
bloodlust was a monster spell in WC2. Leave it to Blizzard to somehow unbalance a game even when the factions are statistically identical

>>48345739
>Plus they may want to learn about Gargoyles or something)

Nerubian architecture and tech may be valueable to them. A necropolis by itself could be interesting to them.

Ruins of Quel'Thalas and Dalaran also have stuff they could trade with dark irons.

>>48345775
When I was a kid I thought the humans were better.
I mean polymorph is an instant kill for even dragons (though dragons suck) , and healing seemed really good to me at the time. With perfect micro sure it could be amazing, but warcraft 2 is a very fast game where units are made of cardboard.


It was funny to watch a 1vs1 game where a player picked human on youtube though and he won.
Most of those games are just orc vs orc.
His solution to bloodlusted ogres seemed to be to run away with his knights(he ignored the paladin upgrade).
Then when bloodlust was gone he'd engage them.

Then he used mages invisiblity to some effect.

>>48345512
Rexxar have access to stonemaul ogre units, not regular ogres.
Which are WAY more powerful than regular ones.
In fact The ogre line holds the longest without player's help in the final battle.

What signifigant moments in history would you like to personally visit via the Caverns of Time so as to preserve the flow of time?
>Fall of Gnomeregan
>Kael'thas vs. Garithos
>Broxigar wrecks Sargeras
>Kel'thuzad restored in the Sunwell

>>48346597
I guess I'd go back to the time where Knaak is hired for writing blizzard books and stop him.

>>48346269
I seem to recall the regular Ogre Soldier being shit compared to the Tauren or even an Orc Grunt.

>>48346597
something in Pandaria, maybe the rise or death of the Lei Shen

>>48346597
>have to cause the Fall of Gnomeregan to happen

I couldn't do it, I don't hate Gnomes enough for that. Which is how you know I'm new to this lore, and these threads.

>>48347045
regular ogre warrior is basiclly on par with a footman
while ogre mauler is slightly stronger than a grunt with no upgrade.

But Stonemaul ogre is way stronger than their regular ogre equivalent.

>>48342534
>horrible Old God blood rises whenever people feel strong emotions
>Pandaren society collectively takes up drinking, overeating, meditation, and the like in order to control their emotions
>lol fukken hippies

>>48347570

I hate how fucking smug they were, like they figured out everything and talking us retarded children down, especially taran zhu. They even talk down a draenei on religious stuff, it was the height of retardation

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>>48346597
this shit right here. the end of Troll dominance in the Eastern Kingdoms.

>>48347663
>especially taran zhu
if Garrosh had actually killed him when he attacked the pools, everything would have been better. Fuck Taran Zhu

>>48347663
nah that's just 10,000 years of trying to one-up each other philosophically, and then shitting on the newcomers who haven't heard of them.

Completely dismissing foreign ideas as crude or barbaric is totally in-character for Not!China.

>>48347678
God, I love this picture.

>>48347678
>DMbendstherulesaboutritualcasting.jpg

>>48347732

>playing draenei paladin
>thousand year old righteous crusader fucking up demons on a dozen worlds
>even just on outland and azeroth I rekt the shit of demon, undead and old god alike for years, battled with shit continously, no matter how large or how small, from gods to grindy quests everything got done to the bitter end
>gotta stop this agressive expansionistic horde that has already genocided my people once and is now at it again
>fuck, I'm shipwrecked
>DUR HUR HUR Y U FIGHT? DONT BRING YOUR PETTY HATREDS HERE
>what, we have been attacked
>YOUR HEART IS FILLED WITH PREJUDICE AND HATRED U MUST ACCEPT PEEEEACE CAUSE WE ARE A PEACEFUL PPL
>I'm pretty sure its filled with righteous indignation right now
>WE ARE GOING TO DESTROY YOU IF YOU CONTINUE WARRING LOOK HOW JOVIAL AND FRIENDLY WE ARE WE ALSO LIKE TO EAT THAT MEANS YOURE AN EVIL WARMONGER WHO CANT BE RIGHT EVER
>WE ARE ALSO RIGHT AND HAPPY
>YOU CANT BE MAD AT US BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS RIGHT
>LMAO DUMPLINGS
I was beyond mad. Wanted to purge these chink niggers so bad not to listen to an entire expansion packs worth of fortune cookie "wisdoms" and banalities.

>>48347943
t. Sha of Anger

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>>48347995

RIGHTEOUS anger!

>>48347995
>You Pandaren try to bury your hate and your anger. But such power cannot be contained. It. Must be. UNLEASHED!

Where is the lie?

>>48348106
>Where is the lie?
nowhere, Garrosh did nothing wrong

>>48347678
>King Anasterian!
>Yeah?
>So I told the human magi to pool their casting together, and they actually did it! The absolute madmen!

>>48348106
between Throne of Thunder and Siege of Orgrimmar, MoP definitely had the best patch trailers

>>48348252
Hmm. I guess since those were both great I'd agree, but I'd rate the Zul'Aman trailer as better on an individual basis.

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>>48345205
The the Dev's frequently cited WoW and other MMOs as an inspiration for modernizing the game, hell the class picture for the Wizard in the PHB is almost literally Kael'thas

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>we'll never get to play as Mogu

They were the fucking best race in MoP. Screw the Pandaren I want to help Lei Shen re-create his glorious empire.

>>48347678
>>48348190
>100 humans casting flamestrike

>>48348753
>Mogu
>not Jinyu

Got a problem with koi fish?

>>48343041

Because these threads are maybe 15% actual RPG discussion and the remaining 85% is dedicated to bitching about the game's story/lore.

>>48348407
Zul'aman was GOAT, but the rest of BC's trailer's don't make up compared to the MoP ones

>>48349094
Makes sense to me. I bet these threads ran out of actual RPG material to talk about years ago.

When was the last time the Warcraft RPG even updated?

>>48349264
"We gonna bury you here," manages to sound so threatening without coming across as tryhard or edgy. So good.

An Arakkoa Paladin would be awesome.

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I forget, what are the Bronzes even doing right now?

>>48348753
Alright, how do I stat Lei Shen in Pathfinder?

>>48344397
The basic concept of holy paladin in Legions seems pretty interesting. While I've played as a paladin, I've never played one as a healer. While healing does thematically fit with paladins, I feel they should still be badass holy warriors. Standing next to the clothies throwing healing spells at your friends doesn't really fit the theme nearly as well as protection and retribution paladins do. Holydins are pretty much priests who happen to wear better armor.

In Legion, hwoever, they're making holy paladins healers that get stuck in together with the melee dps and smash the enemy with a hammer while healing their allies. No idea how well it works in practice, but thematically it's a good fit.

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>>48348753
>that guy who cries and says "Emprah, I have failed you"
fuck. felt pretty bad for the guy.

>>48344992
Think the problem is that they based the orcs very much on how they look in the games. But Warcraft games have never had a very realistic artstyle. It's very "comicbook-like", with exaggerated proportions and oversized weapons. Makes sense since it allows units to be visually distinct and easily recogniseable in the RTS, and lets WoW have decent-looking visuals while having low system requirements.

However, when you add orcs with those proportions into a movie with more realistic-looking visual style, and you put them next to regular humans who don't all look like steroid-abusing bodybuilders wielding swords big enough to give Guts a case of penis-envy, they look very out of place.

>>48348753
Probably the best part of the Chronicle was the etxra lore on Lei Shen. I love that he apparently teamed up with the Zandalari, and attacked Uldaman with a massive mogu/troll army, only being stopped when the tol'vir Belka'd themselves with the Halls of Origination.

>>48346597
Troll Wars, first War of the Shifting Sands and... let's say killing Medivh in Karazhan

>>48348753
>yfw you had to kill the Klaxxi bros in SoO

>>48352320
weren't the klaxxi against the titans and by extension lei shen?

>>48341786
Well, between 2 and 3 they abandoned the demons.

>>48347383
I have been a Warcraft fan for years and I love gnomes

>>48352238
>Chronicle makes Lei shen the most powerful Mortal on Azeroth

It's glorious listening to butthurt Lichking fags get BTFO by DA TUNDA KING

>>48352496
but they were far apart from each other. Also the LK very nearly ate the entire world.

>>48352631
Thunder King was only stopped by an Orbital Death Ray.

Also no; Getting Sieged in your own fucking castle is not eating the entire world.

>>48352644
>stratholme plague on steroids that makes everyone a zombie
>blizzard cans it because people want to play trade simulator
>"therefore the tunda king was da best"
fuck that shit.

>>48352655
>Lich king gets beaten back to ICC
>B-BUT LICH KING WAS SO STRONG HE WAS WIPING OUT THE WORLD.

That "Plague on Steroids" was cured. Deal with it.

>>48351032
Chromie, at least, went through the portal to track down the bronze that helped Garrosh.

How bad is it that I RP my warrior as a bronze dragon in disguise?

>>48352664
>lei shen gets beaten back by a bunch of pandas and elves
>muh true power

>>48352800
>How bad is it that I RP my warrior as a bronze dragon in disguise?
very

Because it was mentioned in a previous thread how nelves would be very influential in the alliance. Would not that mean the number of elune followers would increase? In Alliance Player Guide is mentioned how priests are very active in the eastern kingdoms and lordaeron.

>Please have mercy with my bad english.

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Would /tg/ a human prince?

>>48348160
Garrosh did everything wrong.

>>48352238
How is Chronicles, anyways? I've been thinking about getting it.

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>>48353107
only if its this one.

>>48352238
the Mogu/Zandalari alliance is neat because it's one of the only bits of genuine realpolitik in the setting. No "oh, we have to for the good of the planet" shit, just good old MAD and the oppression of lesser races

>>48343730
Aethas Sunreaver and the blood elf members of the Kirin Tor weren't under HER command until she staged a coup and took control of Dalaran, which was AFTER they did the thing.

>>48353194
>ywn "tear out" Sylvanas' "soul"

>>48353706
>no scared high elf ranger general to bully.

>>48352800
I don't think it's so bad as long as you don't go around announcing, "HEY EVERYONE, I'M A DRAGON!" everywhere you go, which is my issue with most dragon RPers I've seen. If a dragon chooses to go into humanoid form, it's typically because they don't want anyone to know they're a dragon.

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>>48353194
Bigger.

>>48352826
Lei Shen had just awoken, Arthas has had years to consolidate his power base before crippling it all to be a huge retard and let the Argent Tournament set up shop in his garden and then beat his arse with a ret-conned weapon that he could barely control.

Lei Shen also had a beaten up Titan captive.

>>48354060
>"HEY EVERYONE, I'M A DRAGON!"
The closest I've come to that is using the sandstone drake to cart people around, but that's mostly because it's my only two seater flying mount. Though I do use the mount when I'm RPing in dragon form, it just happens very rarely, and only with guildies.

I mostly RP her as trying to cope with all of dragon kind getting their asses torn back, while also dealing with the time fuckery in WoD because, depower or not, she's still a bronze dragon.

There are some times I wonder if people only put up with it because she's a prot warrior and they want a tank, though.

>>48354071
Arthas X Sylvanus X Jaina

Just think, if Arthas was a good guy instead of convoluted dumb plot evil.

>>48352800
>How bad is it that I RP my warrior as a bronze dragon in disguise?
Worse than a worgen furry erp'ing on a pvp server in the middle of ironforge.

>>48354191
Oh yeah? well what if I RP that I was the guy who soloed all the content ever?

>>48354179
Now that I really think about it, prot is getting a shield made out of Deathwing's scales in Legion. I have no idea how my character should feel about this.

>>48354185
>Convoluted

It's a pretty standard fall from grace plot anon, and the strongest character arc in its game.

Are they going to ruin Karazhan in Legion?

>>48354715
Sure

>>48354715
One of the quests setting up Dalaran moving to the Broken Shore has you visit the library of Karazahn with Khadgar to find some tome he needs, and some of the artifact quests involve going to the cryps of Karazahn (which sadly don't have the creepy as fuck room with submerged corpses), but other than that, it isn't involved in the Legion plot.

>>48354772
>but other than that, it isn't involved in the Legion plot.
What about spooky nega-Karazhan?

I have a feeling it'll be hashed/rehashed in some way in a content patch.

>>48354772
They teased making it a five-man in a patch.

I swear to god if they take out the 10 man I will do something rash.

>>48354275
the execution of the plot was extremely dumb.

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>>48354804
Replacing old raids with shitty 5 mans is the dumbest fucking shit.

>>48354235
Makes about as much difference if you could teleport behind me right now and tell me it isn't personnel, kid.

>>48352664
I don't think it actually got cured. Remember, even Alexstraza and the Naaru couldn't fix one of the new strains (Though that quest was a memorial to a Blizzard employee so it may have just been "Incurable" because simply curing his in-game representation when the real man died would be exceedingly trite)

>>48354185
how would you go about it.

>>48354874
RIP old UBRS and old Scholo (Though just downsizing Scholo to a five man wasn't bad, the MoP assrape was.)

>>48354887
the last green plague was cured. The orange blight crystal plague was the new hotness by the time we got to Northrend

>>48354901
I actually liked NewBRS, if only for Warlord "MY BLADE WILL END YOU" Zaela

>>48354185
>Sylvanus
What does Roman forest god have to do with Warcraft?

And why can't anyone spell Sylvanas?

>>48354901
I like new ubrs but there was no reason that they had to remove the classic version.

ZA was one of my favorite raids and classic ZG was great too. Now they just gather dust as zombie versions of themselves. Same thing is gonna happen to ubrs in a month.

>>48354941
I didn't mind the fight, I just miss Rend and his gang.

>>48354950
Yep.

>>48354959
I pray for a time where all the old versions of things get added to Caverns of Time.

>>48354950
Basically how I feel. I wish they'd add the old versions back in through the cavern of time or something.

It's something that I liked about City of Heroes: You could replay damn near any mission, even the ones that got replaced with better ones still let you run the old ones.

>>48354899
Well... lets see here.

It would start with the premise that Arthas was slightly less of a dick when he went to northrend. No killing mercenaries and such. When he drew Frostmourne and killed muradin he actually grieved, but that still fueled his revenge madness further.

Killed the dreadlord. and was then a pawn of Nerzul. But, he still kept his soul in a sense. Even though he was forced to do terrible things like kill his father, kill uther and such it was against his will and he was constantly attempting to fight the control.

He was even able to convey sincere apologies and a deep amount of regret. When he kills sylvanas and makes her a banshee, he is able to rest some control so that he was able to make her have some personality and freedom, but not enough for it to matter immediately.

Once the Lich King's power begins to wane, Arthas conspires with Sylvanas to try to destroy Kel'thuzad and succeed, betraying and dividing the scourge. With this accomplished and with more scourge under his control, Arthas begins to save his homeland from further scourge invasion, forcing them to recede and give relief to the remaining blood elf population and the remenants of the people of lordaeron.

This leads Sylvanas to trust Arthas further and begins to hate him less.

During this time, Arthas finds a way to message Jaina, who against her better judgement, goes to see him, hoping there is still something left. Sylvanas is skeptical of her aid, but respects Arthas enough by this point to at least here out his plan.

His plan is essentially for Jaina to take over Lordaeron as queen, and help supplement the growing undead arthas army, even as Arthas grows weaker. With their land saved, they go to Northrend to put an end to the scourge.

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>>48355237
Through perilous journeys and a great deal of help from the Nerubians who desperately want to be free from the Lich King too, they finally get to Ice Crown. There, they fight one last immense battle against the forces of undeath.

Arthas, Jaina, and Sylvanas climb the tower where arthas breaks free the casket and obtains the helm. Since if they destroy it, the scourge will run rampant, Arthas puts on the helmet after heart felt encouragment and words from the many allies he has obtained on this very long journey.

Arthas then fights a mental battle against Ner'zhul and prevails. Destroying him and becomming the lich king, which he then activates some kind of mental self-destruct to put an end to the scourge. This kills Arthas and Sylvanas.

But just as he lays there, the spirit of Uther lightbringer appears and casts the spell all paladins in WC3 are famous for. Resurrection. Arthas, Jaina and Sylvanas return to the land of Lordaeron to restore the kingdom now that their threat has been gone. They live happily ever after till the LEGION(tm) kills everything because there is no scourge to stall them.

Alternatively, Arthas remains the now in control lich king but makes some kind of binding ritual with Jaina so that she will be functionally immortal so long as he still exists.

>>48354804
My dream scenario for Kara is that they use the old unused portal at the top of it for a new raid.

Basically you'd go in reverse starting in Medivh's personal study which was unused in the original(aside from flavor) down through the library where you can find remnants of the destroyed Curator, Aran's room charred and burned, nightbane's skeleton, etc.

Then you get down to the opera hall and it starts getting progressively weirder and more sinister. Black Riders make their appearance etc.

Eventually you'd make your way down beneath the tower where the tower starts to have the same kind of reality bleed it has near the top. Architecture stops making sense, and Medivh's secrets from when he was hanging with Sargeras are found here.

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>>48355261

>>48355261
That's...actually not bad. Any ideas for mobs or bosses and boss locations?

>>48355248
>They live happily ever after till the LEGION(tm) kills everything because there is no scourge to stall them.
In WC3 the point where the Lich King's power stated waning was after the Legion invasion had already been dealt with, so at that point either the Legion still got beaten or everybody is dead. And if Arthas manages to break free earlier, they might stop Archimonde form being summoned in the first place.

>>48355237
>breaking up Arthas & KT's bromance, one of the best relationships in the setting

How dare you, sir. For shame

Reminder that Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken and the argent dawn are traitors.

>>48355503
Reminder that the dead can't own property.

>>48355541
Reminder that those laws are obviously not in effect and that the ony reason they would is to rob the Forsaken from their rightful homeland that they died for.

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>>48355541
what was that, citizen?

>>48355369
I think of the top being full of scavengers and rabble that's found ways inside over the years. An Ethereal boss because I like Nexus Prince Shaffar and they were already fucking around in the original. I like the idea of some of the beasts from the original getting even more out of hand as an homage to the fact that NOBODY ever cleared them or killed those bosses.

I'd put something/someone playing the big organ in the opera hall with a nice RP sequence because you'd come in from the top of the hall and have to take the long way down which has a great view of the room below. I dunno what I'd do with Moroes since he shows up in WoD and is apparently not dead. Also the Dark Riders, which I'm pretty sure Attumen was a part of, have to show up at some point.

As far as the descent part goes that's where the echo of Medivh would start to acknowledge your group's presence for the first time.(Since he just kind of ignores you or acts like you're normal guys when you do the original chess event.) I think current Blizz would take this as the time to jump the shark and have the real Medivh show up for the last boss in some way.

>>48355652
>I think of the top being full of scavengers and rabble that's found ways inside over the years. An Ethereal boss because I like Nexus Prince Shaffar and they were already fucking around in the original. I like the idea of some of the beasts from the original getting even more out of hand as an homage to the fact that NOBODY ever cleared them or killed those bosses.
What bosses and trash were skipped most often?

>>48355652
>Also the Dark Riders, which I'm pretty sure Attumen was a part of, have to show up at some point.
I think Attumen actually either owned the lower keep before Medivh's mom built the tower over it or was some sort of guard, since he seems to actually have been a knight of some sort rather than a merchant cursed with undeath.

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>Sylvanas
>Warchief

>>48355652
Do we know what actually happens to the real Medivh post Reign of Chaos? I mean, he gives Thrall and Jaina his advice in Stonetalon and then just fucks off, and as far as I know we don't see him again after that. I always assumed that with his mortal business done he was just going to go back to being dead.

>>48355237
>
>>48355248
neat. you actually came through.

>>48355725
He retires.

>>48355725
He rakes his place among the legends of the past.

Or whatever it was he said.

(I sorta want to hear that vaguely southern gentleman guy they got to play him in the movie read his WC3 lines. I don't think he'll be able to compare on voice but it'll be neat.)

>>48355700
>What bosses and trash were skipped most often?

The spiders, bats, and dogs. Hyakiss, Shadikith and Rokad were the boss versions. As far as real bosses go I think Netherspite, Illhoof, and Nightbane were the only ones that really got skipped by people for one reason or another.

>I think Attumen actually either owned the lower keep before Medivh's mom built the tower over it or was some sort of guard, since he seems to actually have been a knight of some sort rather than a merchant cursed with undeath.
Most of the bosses in the original have next to no established lore so its just kind of filling in blanks. I don't think its much of a reach to assume he's one of the riders though since the other explanations are murky.

>>48355725
Nah, but that's why I said I think current blizz would throw the real him in as the big reveal kind of thing. "Turns out he just wanted to go home"

>>48355817
Oh and I don't mean fill the entire first third with spiders bats and dogs. I'd just like to see them get some love since everyone left them to wreak havoc in TBC.

>>48355712
Not only that, but

>Greymane
>High King

>>48355913
Anduin's in charge de-facto, though the alliance is a little more fractious he's got the support of Velen, Tyrande, and the THree Hammers. Probably Bling-Magni too.

>>48355948
arn't you forgetting two leaders there anon

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>>48355966
bitch nobody cares about the gnome and the gnome cares about nobody

>>48355966
>>48356003
He PROBABLY has Gelbin's support, though Gelbin was actually on the Broken shore as long as Varian was and may actually be even more bitter about Slyvanus chickening out.

>>48355632
n-nothing officer Mograine sir

>>48355948
>>48355966
>>48356003
>>48356021
Also Asa is a little busy helping in the Monk class-hall, but she's made peace with her counterpart so I doubt she's up to join Genn and Jaina's crusade either.

>>48356125
whose asa?

>>48356766
the leader of the "wait shit don't do that you fucking moron" school of Pandaren philosophy, as opposed to the "shit we have to do something RIGHT NOW" school, lead by the other guy.

One joined the Alliance, the other the Horde. Shouldn't take to long too figure out which is which, considering they're color-coded.

>>48356766
The leader (?) of the Tushui Pandaren.

>>48355712
What's so bad about that? It's not like literally everybody else would be a way better choice.

>>48357449
Saurfang.

>>48355712
I'm just waiting for the inevitable
>We made a plague that works on demons!

>>48357583
>Its a Light Plague.

>>48357583
Putress' plague probably would work on most demons.

It'd just dissolve them, same as anything else, but it'd work.

>>48357152
>blizzard color coded them
bravo

>>48357449
Literally anyone would be better.
Fucking Varimathras would be better for the Horde than her.
Shit, Jaina should be Warchief before Syl-fucking-vanas.

>>48357764
Seniority sadly. With Thrall disempowered, and Cairne + Vol'jin dead she's the only remaining leader from Vanilla.

And yet Kossak still writes her so yes, anyone else would have been better.

>>48357449
Because most of the Horde has better relations with the Alliance now than they do with Sylvanas.

Legion music is GOOOOOOOOOD

Like, holy shit no wonder WoD music sucked, the whole team was working on masterpieces like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWH1KKOsoY ,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gifmFwwlSMY , and most of all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6TQaPaVNIs (Lucky goddamn Druids get a reimagining of the Grizzly Hills theme)

>>48357835
>>48357815
With the portal to Old Draenor open they could even go get fucking Grom to sit in as Warchief in the future. Hell, he'd be totally up for the job since the Horde IS chasing Gul'dan down in Legion.

>>48357899
Grom has a LOT of work to do basically indenturing himself to the Draenei and Frostwolves for his fuckups. (offscreen because they don't want to show it of course.)

death knights can now teleport into the Shadowlands to move faster

the mystery deepens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSWzlc5JzUc

Shadow Priest Artifact has some neat little lore tidbits in her shit talking.

>>48353010
I doubt the Nelves would push it, they're pretty isolationist. Eventually Elune worshippers might pop up simply due to cultural contact but it would never be a big thing. If anything the humans and Draenei seem more religiously expansionist, so it would probably go more the other way if anything.

This is all long term though, you wouldn't see changes like that in the timespan of the games.

>>48358395
>This is all long term though, you wouldn't see changes like that in the timespan of the games.
Eh, sure you would. The NElves switched from being nocturnal as to not cause a fuss.

>>48358395

Velen even tried to imply E'lune might be a naaru on the moon and Tyrande responded with a diplomatic "shut your fucking face"

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>>48358520
I want Tyrande to shut my face. With her ass.

>>48358426
>Eh, sure you would. The NElves switched from being nocturnal as to not cause a fuss.
Wat, really? Sauce? There's no way Blizz changed Nelves into being diurnal when being nocturnal is so central to the theme of the race that it's in their fucking name. Not even Blizzard are shameless enoub to retcon something like that!

>>48358599
At this point, "Night Elf" is just a name and they do have to do business with daytime races.
There would undoubtedly be plenty of old Nelfs who are sticking to their nocturnal ways, but some would adjust themselves to the new society within which they find themselves.

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>>48358599
>Not even Blizzard are shameless enoub to retcon something like that!

>>48357863
Godanmit. I'm kind of tempted to give legion a shot just because of this music. Well, that and i expect/hope it's the last wow expansion.

>>48358599
their name means children of the stars, not the night.
they also keep shadowmeld.

>>48357863
>that grizzly hills remake
fuck.
I didn't ask for these feels.

>>48358698
They also worship the moon. Both stars and moon can only be seen at night. Shadowmeld in warcraft 3 only worked at night. See what I mean about night being a central theme for the Nelves?

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>>48358675
>tfw listening to all these remakes.
>tfw feeling the call of warcraft again
>all those halycon days are gone, part of a bygone era when the internet was not a part of society.
Just die in my sleep already.

>>48358769
their core lands are still shrouded in darkness and they swear by the moon. Its just that they have a somewhat normal sleep cycle

>>48358615
I'd figure most night elves in Eastern Kingdoms would probably switch to a diurnal sleep cycle. They'd be a very small minority compared to humans and dwarves, who are diurnal, so it'd be very inconvinient for them to sleep during the day and be awake during the night, when everybody else is asleep, all shops are closed, etc.

>>48358834
Well, there needs to be SOMEONE manning the register at 7-11 in the middle of the night.
Hah. Nelves are Azeroth's curry Indians.

>>48358834
do we even have any evidence of night elves being active during the night other than game mechanics.

>>48358781
I pretty much feel the call of warcraft every day. I will never get over how little i accomplished back when i was playing wrath. I feel like i just need to "beat" Wrath one day on a private server to finnaly get true inner peace.

>>48358834
I agree with this. I disagree however that just because Nelves are in an alliance they'd change their 10k+ years of nocturnalism overnight. The nelves that are forced to be diurnal in order to deal with outsiders are probably a minority just like night shift workers are for us. Hell it's probably genetic, they evolved from dark trolls after all.

Nelves aren't cucked enough to change all that just to make some humans happy.

>>48358862
remember the fun times, anon
Wrath was perfect because it was the mixture of the old and the new. You had the old world, still there. Pristine as the day the game started. The difficulty was scaled back from vanilla, but several low level quests required you to group up. Class mechanics were still god tier because they made you explore the world.

I still remember going on a grand adventure across azeroth to forge veregian's fist. To me and anyone else who played that game at the time, it will always be the most potent symbol of the paladin, a hammer that taught paladins what being a paladin meant, not a healbot or a broken pvp class, but strong warriors of faith who were living beacons of the light.

If I ever play legion, I am going to mog ashbringer into veregian's fist.

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>>48357863
that's some fantastic music right there.

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>>48358769
>the moon can only be seen at night
but you can totally see the moon during the day!

delet this

>>48359024
thats the best part of blizzard, probably the only part of blizzard that has remained good throughout the years.

>>48359065
The moon is visible therefore it must be night. My logic is impeccable. Checkmate, athiests.

>>48359138
t. fandral staghelm

>>48359024
>>48359108
>>48358715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvh0qXICS98

Enchanted forest/Magic in one.

Glorious, glorious remakes.

>>48359204
I really don't want to play this.

>>48359204
As much as I liked Nightsong, I hated how it tended to drown out the old classics of Magic and Enchanted Forest.

>>48359250
I hate the story decisions and some of the mechanics changes but oh god the music is so beautiful.

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Best Old One, and why is Yogg-Saron?

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I get so pissed everytime blizz drops some small troll patch as buffer between their bigger expansion story patches.

Stop giving my fucking trinkles and just drop the big bad troll expansion instead of tickling my balls with tiny tidbits every god damn expansions.

>mfw Zandalari finally arrive and they are >>tunda king goons

>>48359260
nightsong was my jam.
best thing in cata

>>48359108
Yep. Even if i do think they will never make anything better than the warcraft 2 soundtrack.

>>48359269
Y'shaarj
>BFFs with the best Warchief
>corrupted more stuff than any other Old God without even being alive
>Mantid > Nerubians > Silithid
>his death created the Well of Eternity
>just his heart is a tougher fight than C'thun or Yogg-Saron

>>48355503
Reminder that Gilneas belongs to the Worgen and Sylvanas is no better than Arthas.

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>>48359204
hmm yes perfect

>>48359281
NEVER EVER

>>48359336
>his death created the Well of Eternity


Really? I didn't play too much of MoP and didn't know that.

>>48359356
I think it was from Chronicle

>>48359300
It was good, but I think it was too ...Active? Too violent for the feeling of exploration in Ashenvale, Old Darkshore and Teldrasil.

I think it fits for some of the more active battle zones they added in Cata, but the general sense of being dwarfed by the majesty and mystery of the world around you that those zones brought... I don't think Nightsong quite matched up to walking in the woods the same way the older tracks did.

>>48359330
WC2 soundtrack is great as a battle soundtrack, but some of the tracks in Wow are just... They're amazing, they capture the feeling of the zones perfectly. There's no real comparison because they serve such different purposes.

>>48359356
>>48359362
In chronicle he was a mountain of corruption with roots into the world's heart. The titan's servants couldn't kill him so the (Unicron-sized) Aman-Thul reached down and plucked him like a tick.

>>48359269
Because he has the best Hearthstone card, obviously.

>>48359356
I think it's from the Chronicles actually.

>>48359362
>>48359393
>>48359400

This catch my attention. It's worth the read?

>>48359342
But we got Orc the orcening expansion and Orc the rise of Orc the expansion!

>>48359005
I want to remember the good times. But i was a 13 year old idiot back then. I pretty much had no idea what the hell i was doing for like a half year.

And when i did figure it out i spend most of my time making alts. Playing them for a few days. And then deleting them because i have too many alts.

I only managed to reach level 80 with one character. And like two weeks after that Cata launched.

That's not to say i don't have good memories. I do, but every time i think about Wrath i just feel such regret at never having done anything meaningfully.

>>48359428
Eh. If you're into Warcraft's lore, it's essential now since it retcons tons of stuff from years and lays out all the "proper" lore.

>>48359393
That's fair. Even if i do still kind of prefer listening to warcraft's 2 soundtrack.

I mean, Orc 2 man. Orc fucking 2.

>>48359356
Yeah, Y'shaarj was too tough for the titanforged, so Aman'thul took a risk and reached down to pluck and squish Y'shaarj like a bug. The wound is what created the Well.

>>48359428
Eh. it sorta sucks a lot of the mystery out of the setting, and it makes Sargeras literally just Arthas+Unicron.

It DOES however make the Tol'vir into Belka because they solved their "Oh no the Thunderking has decided he should rule ALL the titan-constructs and he's starting with us!" problem by nuking themselves with a localized reorigination blast that turned Uldum into the desert it is today.

(It's a testament to Lei'shen's fortitude that his body was intact enough to revive after being hit by a blast meant to wipe out all life on the planet. And that he inspired enough loyalty that the rear line of his forces traveled INTO the blasted hellscape to pull his body out, even after seeing everyone in front of them die horribly.

>>48359281
I might be wrong about this. But i'm pretty sure we completely 100% destroyed every troll empire in the world. For reals this time.

>>48359494
Orc 3 was too good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JaVCG4jRn0

>>48359544
Zul himself wasn't in the Throne of Thunder, he may still have forces left. And it's possible only MOST of Zandalar Island sunk under the sea.

>>48359544
Pretty sure there are some Zandalari left although they might be a bit wet.(not the electric boogaloo Zandalari tho)

>>48359393
>>48359393
Oh yeah, older soundtracks were far more nuanced, and served a variety of themes

>>48359531
So, Queen Azshara is no longer the responsible for the Sundering?

It's confusing.

>>48359600
No, She turned a deep but narrow and mostly metaphysical wound in the planet (A baby titan by the way) into a very wide ranging and highly physical wound on the crust that is far more shallow.

>>48359569
If they let king Rastakhan die off screen I will never forgive blizz.

>>48358187
How?
>Become ghost
>Move faster
Seems pretty plain.

>>48359454
What made it special was the good memories, and sometimes the game becoming larger than the sum of it's parts. I found some of that on nost, but then good things never last

>>48359600
The Sundering is what happened when the Well blew up. It existed before the nelves did.

>>48359648
How fast would ghost sonic move?

>>48359627
Sorry about the questions, but english isn't my main language.

So, after Y'shaarj was removed, a wound was created, and this wound is the Well of Eternity, right?

And Azshara still the one that broke the world by opening the portal to Sargeras?

>>48359336
>just his heart is a tougher fight than C'thun or Yogg-Saron

What boss?

>>48359569
So the troll empires are only mostly dead. Here's hoping for yet another troll raid.

They should really team up with the Blackrock orcs the Defias brotherhood and the Scarlet crusade. They all seem to have this magically ability to never die no matter how many times they get completely wiped out.

>>48359680
Yes

>>48359692
it's how Garrosh transitions between phases

>>48359650
For me it was mostly just the feeling of exploration. Both in a literal sense, and in learning the game. I know i will never get that feeling back. But i want to at least try.

>>48359697
Undead trolls is the answer. That way we can keep killing them over and over! Troll blood for the troll blood god!!

>>48359772
Iktf bro
Iktf

>>48359692
>>48359751
Is a Mythic heart phase actually harder than Alone in the Dark Yogg?

>>48359005
This reminds me of a warrior I leveled from 1 to 85 using only gear he had crafted himself (minus jewelry and capes). His logic being "If someone else died in it, it's shit and I can do better."

I got my hands on the plans for Corruption at some point while leveling him through EPL and started a fucking quest to make that sword. Farming the demonic runestones from Dire Maul was the most fun I'd had in WoW for a while. It's going to be his permanent weapon if I ever revive my old WoW account.

>>48359776
I thought you could only kill undead once. After that there deader than dead.

>>48359544
What about the dark trolls under ashenvale?

>>48359791
.....What does lktf mean?

>>48359697
>So the troll empires are only mostly dead. Here's hoping
Troll empires have always been mostly dead.
>for yet another troll raid.

~~

>>48359855
I know that feeling

>>48359833
>I thought you could only kill undead once. After that there deader than dead.

Nope. You'd have to obliterate the soul.

>>48359697
>magical ability to never die

Troll racial thing is that they heal quickly and can even regrow limbs if the Loa favour them so it is a given that they are quite hard to wipe out.

>>48359860
To be fair a mostly dead troll empire could probably fuck up a single race if their faction didn't help.

Let's suppose I got invited joining a WoW game but the only things I know about the lore are:
- dragons are gods or something
- orcs come from dimension X to conquer earth
- draenei are LG demons that come from space
- Arthas got wasted and zombies were left unemployed
- that bald orc guy made another horde, with demon orcs, and then traveled in time for some reason
- at this point, furries invaded
- a big ass dragon attacked everyone
- everyone faps to that elf zombie chick
...am I good?

>>48359977
You should be fine.

>>48359977
>- everyone faps to that elf zombie chick
plebs with shit taste fap to her, Tyrande is superior

>>48359337
At least Arthas was being honest about being an omnicidal maniac.

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I just wanted to talk about cute (human) princes.

>>48359977
If you're making a new character and playing from level 1, the game will basically explain to you the events and lore through quests.

>- everyone faps to that elf zombie chick
>tfw no one on /tg/ wants to talk about anduin
is /tg/ the straightest board?

>>48359983
Great.
>>48360024
>Tyranide
Does she have nice plump synapses?

>>48360068
I feel bad for Anduin now.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

>>48360068
>annoying know it all teenager
>gets his dad kidnapped
Literally a Mary Sue

>>48360024
If you're not beatin' off to random female goblins, you're doing it completely wrong.

>>48360068
>making a new character and playing from level 1
Well I actually did that. but I fucked around too much and destroyed the questo chain, so I didn't got half shit of what the hell was going on around me

>>48360134
>pink hair goblin.jpg

>>48359815
It's got bigger numbers

That means its harder, right?

>>48359680
See >>48359664
Y'shaarj's death created the Well. Azshara's antics destroyed it and caused the Sundering.

Vol'jin got the shitty end on a stick of shit.

>Cool bro
>Thrall steps down
>leaves Garrosh in charge
>Both Cairne and Vol'jin the better choices
>Gets stabbed in the back by Garrosh
>finally gets to be Warchief
>Next Expac he doesn't even show up
>Expac after that he will "die"
>worst bitch takes over

>>48360280
He got the short end of the stick exactly because of him being a bro. Sylvanas and Genn got promoted purely to push the Red vs Blue bullshit.

>>48360413
Genn was right all along.

>>48360413
At least Genn has a good reason to be pissed at the Horde. Sylvanas is a rancid fucking cunt who should have been killed by her own allies years ago.

new thread
>>48360551

>>48357232
The Tushy pandaren?

>>48362267
Yes, you got the joke.

>>48357863
I don't want argue about the quality of Lgeion music, but saying the soundtrack of WoD sucked?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXlqne2L2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0k_T72hjdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53NOv-gv3NE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUq_l3g3NI

I dare to say otherwise

>>48362851
Eh, it was okay in parts, it just feels so much less memorable in various places.

>>48362851
I think part of it is that all soundtracks remind you of something, and WoD's Soundtrack jsut reminds you of ...WoD.

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>>48359454
kek, you were a hundred times better than me. This is my main, created in June 2006 when I was 8 years old. I never reached maxlevel until Pandaria because the grindfest that's called questing was too boring for the kid/young teen that I was.

>>48355248
I think the world might mess up. Unless the remenants of the highelves and lordaeron get their shit together right quick, the horde aren't going to be strong enough to survive on their own.

And without the horde, thrall won't be able to become the aspect of earth and save the world during the cataclysm.