MTG Modern General

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The overall and paper Modern Metagame.

Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/

Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml

Modern deck primers link:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern

>>48206255
What's your budget? Bogles is easier to skimp on since Horizon Canopy's are non-critical. Infect is easily the best of the three but Hierarchs and Mistys aren't cheap or non-critical. Dredge isn't a spike deck.

>>48206291
I thought Dredge was more spike than Bogles? I'm looking at an initial buy in of 100 or so, then spending as much as 1k or more over time. I will say I love Pauper boggles.

So I'm recently single and I'm considering using all my extra date money to build jund. Someone talk me out of it.

>>48206332
Modern Dredge is just a pale shadow of Legacy Dredge, which is a watered-down shitty version of Bazaar Dredge.

It's just not a powerful strategy in Modern because the cards needed to make it great aren't in the format. It's Spike as fuck in other formats, in Modern it's meme.

>>48206332
Bogles and Dredge both attack from such different planes that they're both meta killers, but I'd favor Bogles since it's slightly faster and rolls over and dies to fewer popular hate cards. Dredge is fucked if it ever gets popular because graveyard hate is widespread and strong and hard to play around for it. I'd still invest in Infect if you just want to win and you have the money already. Its cards are more likely to retain value as well imo. Otherwise Bogles is pretty damn cheap and the way I'd go.

So, grimmy and bbedlam are the new additions to jund making it 100% superior to junk?

>tfw you want to abzan memes and dank rhinos but wizard won't let you

>>48206408
Dredge is also weak outside of bazaar now senpai.

Hate too good, national socialism can't save the formats now.

>>48206435
Yeah it's to be expected, when your entire gameplan is hoping they don't have graveyard hate... you are real fucked.

It's funny how extremely well positioned it has become in Vintage lately though. Everyone is so busy playing memedrazi and mementor that they forgot there's a deck that makes 200,000,000 zombies on turn 2.

>>48206489
The thing with vintage dredge is that it works on the same vein as legacy.
But taken x1000 times as strong
>Win rate g1 can elevate up to 90% (not even memeing, that's your winrate vs people who don't maindeck hate or can t1-t2 storm win you)
>Can just grind out and fuck their face clean off with zombies

>>48206507
I really hope Dredge get's played more online soon, maybe I can finally play DPS in peace without looking at either a t1 Thorn/TKS or fucking 10 billion counterspells in a Gush-Mentor hand.

>>48206549
>yfw they print a hymn to tourch
>that can be cast from the grave for 1 creature and discarding 1 card

>>48206414
People tell me Boggles is cheap but there lists I see have it much higher priced than Infect.

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>how long have I been playing memedern
Probably a year and a half. I remember twin and pod actually being things.
>what and why
Playing bogles, but brewing kci eggs
I'm the cancer of modern, I know. Pic related
>any emn cards
Sigardas blessing looks kinda good maybe as a one-of
>whats gonna be big
Wouldn't you like to know...

Affinity. And the robot werewolf might make the cut.

>>48206715
Looks fun as a 1-2 of

>>48206239
So, new Lili might see some SB action for weeny killing in vintage /legacy.

Does it stand any chance in modern?

>>48206633
>>48206633
Take out the Canopys and that's -$280 already. There are other corners to cut in the manabase but that's by far the most expensive part of the mainboard, and I wouldn't advise less that 3 Paths or Spiritdancers without significant testing. Sideboard, instead of copypasta tailor it to your meta. You have a lot more latitude than you think.

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Building my first Modern Deck.
It's a WU Emeria control. My budget is low and I'm picking the pieces slowly. I don't want to rush, but I want it to be decent. It's the new Thalia, Power of the Moon and Blessed Aliance worth trying?
What can I do against Waste Not?

>>48206758
You are turning me from a Timmy to a Spike. Thanks. I definitely want the spirit dancers. They are just hexproofless boggles that get twice as big as other hexproof cards yeah?

I can dig it.

>>48207001
Don't forget the card draw, literally the most HNNNG line of text in Bogles.

I just bought a Twisted Reality Intro Pack, never played this game my entire life. What am I in for?

>>48207033
Anger at your own powerlessness when you discover they won't reprint any of the cards you ened

>>48206239
>>How long have you been playing Modern?
3 years

>>What are you playing and why?
bushwhacker zoo

>>Any EMN card that could slot in your deck?
nah

>>What EMN card(s) do you feel will be big in Modern?
new thalia is the only relevant card and it's only playable in legacy.

Will eldritch evolution see modern play? I'm certain people are going to try it out but I honestly don't think it's that good. I play Abzan company but I don't really think it's what my deck needs or really even wants.

>>48207282
Get a playset anyway, what's the worst that could happen

>>48207342
I ain't going to get a playset till they drop. If they drop.

>>48207356
If they don't drop you'll regret it

>>48207366
I already regret playing this game so what's the worst that could happen

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>>48207380
why not just sell? starcity buylist is reasonable if you grade your own cards. i sold jeskai harbinger, standard gw tokens and a box of bulk rares to them for $2500

>>48206724
Nope.
She's shit.

>>48207802
She kills a ton of things and her -2 is card advantage
She's no LotV but she's not complete garbage

>>48206405
>jund
it translates to legacy easily enough. i say go for it if you can afford it. it's a solid, if boring, list.

>>48207968
>She kills a ton of things
Not in modern. The only cards with 1 toughness that anyone plays are dorks. She is actually bad, in fact you are better off playing flip lilly.

>>48208088
Things it kills in Modern:

Glistener Elf
Noble Hierarch
Blighted Agent
Dryad Arbor
Grim Lavamancer
Dark Confidant
Steppe Lynx
Wild Nacatl (lol)
Memnite
Signal Pest
Arcbound Ravager (lol)
Steel Overseer
Vault Skirge
Snapcaster Mage
Cursecatcher
Silvergill Adept
Master of Waves
Vendilion Clique
Bloodghast
Thalia
Flickerwisp

etc etc etc

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Contingency Plan?

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>>48207799
>Makes you almost miss twin huh
>almost
TWIN DID NOTHING WRONG

>>48208402
hahahahaha no

>>48208402
Were this an instant it might be playable.

>>48208402
>>48208502
>>>/thought scour/

>>48207001

You know you can be both right?

>>48208402

Isn't this just Taigam's Scheming?

>>48208669
That's actually pretty funny that they would reprint the same thing in two sets so close together

>>48208652
You can? I always felt like a Jonny but then playing modern I soneti es feel like a spike.

>>48208945

Yes you can. You're just basically multiclassing.

>>48208945
>>48209026
Good goyim, just adopt Rosewater's labels and try to fit in as much as possible with our new world order

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Would a card like this be good in modern? Would Jund decks have a reason to play this over any of their other good two drops?

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>>48206405
>extra date money

>>48209209
What is there to explain? Having a significant other reduces your finances more than being single

Custom card fags with no concept of proper wording or power level pls go.

>>48209199

Okay. So it's a doom blade on a stick that also doom blades and gets stronger whenever it's blocked OR it can exile itself to doom blade again.

Seems pretty fucking retarded m8.

>>48209449
It's not doom blade but yes it is stupid

Anyone here play grixis or temur delver? I kinda want to build a fun tempo deck but I'd like a little feedback beforehand

Any advice on this list?
Mana seems to be stable. I think young pyro could be swapped out for???

I like massive raid, what do you guys think?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-07-16-rw-tokens/

>>48209724
>4 creatures
>massive raid
?????

>>48209724
4x Goblin Rabblemasters
1x Ajani
1x Elspeth
3x Legion Loyalist
1x Lingering Souls
take out
3x Gather the Town's folk
4x Tremors
3x Lightning Helix

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Would a card like this be healthy for the modern format? I could see a deck like Ad Nauseam using it. Does it seem like good design for modern?

>>48209869
Can we start flagging you for bans. Your obviously spamming, so I'm just wondering how much the mods for /tg/ actually care. I know some boards have to tolerate this shit.

>>48209897
>Can we start flagging you for bans
we totally can

Is this too much meme.

4 bolts
4 lingering souls
4 snapcaster
4 young p
4 auriok champion
4 mana leak
4 timely reinforcements
4 dark confidant
4 inqusiiton of koz

just fill the rest with an assortment of islands, plains, swamps and mountains. Bound to draw right?

>>48209502
Someone posted a list late in the last thread. Didn't save it though. Temur it was

>>48210099
Have you considered Mogg War Marchal?

>>48210099
maybe lightning helix and some supreme verdicts in the sideboard with rest in piece

>>48210099
If you are going 4 color I recommend Tribal Flames

>>48209199
Kill yourself

>>48209869
Kill yourself

>>48206945
They are not worth it. You can just roll over waste not as it whiffs a lot. Just build the goldfish list and later upgrade with better manabase, cliques etc

>>48208736
It's because they don't want to keep giving it a new name whenever they want to reprint it, so they gave it a generic enough name to fit in any setting.

They've been doing this more aggressively now that they've started the 2-set blocks.

>>48210466
They could also not print limited fodder garbage and actually print shit people want

If I go to attacks and swing my opponent casts CoCo can he block or use abilities like reflector mage to bounce my attackers before damage?

>>48210626

Yes.

>>48210626
Yes
Declare attackers
Declare blockers
Combat happens
Damage is assigned

Reminder that Asylum Visitor is a legit choice in midrange black decks because T3 Lilly -2, T4 Lilly +1 discard it to madness is a good play.

>>48210860
Reminder to shut the fuck up because Bob is always better.

>>48210878
Not always no

>>48210878
>Bob
2/1
Only draws in your turn but always draws

>Visitor
3/1
Can draw in both turns, working well with Lilly and the high concentration of instants in BWR

If the average CMC in your deck is >1, Visitor hurts less.

>>48210900
>turn 4
Or instead of your jank epic combo you could play Bob 2 turns earlier and be guaranteed to draw cards

>>48210931
Play Asylum Visitor on turn 2, who the fuck cares. It's just a cute synergy, not your game plan.

>>48210921
You're the same kind of player that actually thinks affinity is always hellbent on turn 2.

>>48210931
Why would you wait until turn 4?
You can just play it normally for exactly the same price as Bob
But when the opponent has a Lily out and +1s her you can pitch Visitor to it and hit her on the backswing, and that's fucking good

>>48210960
It's not far off. There's upsides and downsides to both. Midrange decks didn't run Bob for years so he's hardly the fucking messiah anyway.

>>48210951
>turn 2 visitor
That does nothing for who knows how long because you still have cards and so does your opponent

>>48210987
>That does nothing
Swings for 3.

>>48210987
It's a body and it has 3 attack

>>48211013
>>48211017
Or you could play dark confidant. A card that actually does something. My God people.
If you're looking for beats just play your goyf

>>48211051
They don't go in the same type of deck you fucking idiot

>>48211072
Yes they do. Oh my god fuck this thread I'm outta here.

>memedern

>>48211072
Oh so you're talking about some horrible mono black shitbrew you came up with? This clears things up

>>48211072
Fucking lmao
I see now you're a poorfag trying to justify this cheap confidant

>>48210921
I'm sure there's some crazy way to play both. Plus AEther Vial and maybe some discard outlet ... new take on Suicide Black.

>>48211086
>bob into emrakul
>lose game

>>48211129
>>48211086
>>48211104
Why would you ever put Visitor in Jund
Are you ACTUALLY stupid

>>48211158
>backpedaling this hard

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>>48209502
Here. Hopefully this colourful list can calm the hate here.
It's fun

>>48211198
The original point was that they each have strengths over the other in the right situation

>>48211131
4 of:
Bob
Visitor
Goyf
1 drop creature
Vial
Inquisition
Thoughtseize
Some removal
Some other removal
+ fetches and duals to taste

>>48211270
I wish I had verdant catacombs.

How can make this modern legal?

1 [C13] Faerie Conclave
1 [AN] Library of Alexandria
1 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
1 [4E] Strip Mine
2 [UNH] Island
3 [4E] Mishra's Factory
4 [KTK] Flooded Strand
4 [R] Tundra
4 [TE] Wasteland
2 [ISD] Snapcaster Mage
3 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 [U] Black Lotus
1 [10E] Crucible of Worlds
1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
1 [U] Mox Pearl
1 [U] Mox Sapphire
1 [C15] Sol Ring
1 [LG] Moat
4 [OD] Standstill
1 [U] Ancestral Recall
1 [C15] Brainstorm
1 [KTK] Dig Through Time
1 [TSP] Disenchant
1 [CMD] Flusterstorm
1 [ZEN] Mindbreak Trap
1 [DIS] Spell Snare
2 [LG] Mana Drain
3 [CNS] Swords to Plowshares
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [NPH] Mental Misstep
1 [RTR] Supreme Verdict
1 [U] Time Walk
1 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
SB: 1 [RTR] Supreme Verdict
SB: 1 [TSP] Disenchant
SB: 1 [7E] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 3 [C14] Containment Priest
SB: 2 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 [UNH] Plains
SB: 2 [RTR] Rest in Peace
SB: 1 [ISD] Stony Silence
SB: 1 [CNS] Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2 [LG] Moat

>>48211575
First remove every card that isn't.
Then think what kind of deck can use two Snapcasters. Probably Delver.

>>48211575
It's gonna be really hard to translate a standstill deck to modern.
Closest you're gonna get is probably having tons of Remands and Mana Leaks

>>48211667
>>48211614
I was trying to come up with a crucible/ghost quarter/magus of the tabernacle brew, but it seems really bad

>>48211709
Without fast mana it's never gonna be as effective

>>48211725
Yeah that's basically every deck I try. They all just lose to infect on turn 3.

>>48206489
You really underestimate the extent to which Dredge can power through hate.
>t0 leyline nothing personnel kid
>land chain of vapor led lotus breakthrough crack led flip 40 cards therapy their hand to nothing

>>48211923
Yeah if you have the nuts you have the nuts. The deck is just wildly inconsistent, which is why it isn't played much.

As a former vintage dredge player, the vintage deck just isn't good enough. Beating white Eldrazi is nice, but isn't any better than pounding shops. The deck can also just lose to mentor/storm/oath before it goes off more often than you'd expect.

>>48211248
>stubborn denial
That's cool. In a deck like this much better than pierce

>>48206239
Someone recommend a deck to me. I like playing RG stompy monsters in kitchen table games with my friends so green is my favorite color. Anyone got any recommendations?

>>48212106
Green stompy

>>48212106
Wrong thread dude.

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Is this guy a modern version of Nimble Mongoose or is Delerium too difficult to activate? I was considering running 4 of him in a RUG Delver list (a modern 'Canadian Threshold') something like this

4 Delver
4 Gnarlwood
4 Goyf
1 Hooting Mandrils

4 Thought Scour
4 Serum Visions
19-21 other instants/sorcs

18-20 Lands

>>48212229
Why play this over hooters?

>>48212229
Well shroud is not deathtouch.
I don't think he's very good

>>48212264
A 1 mana 3/3 is still fine, but you're right deathtouch is nowhere near shroud

>>48212272
Yes but on turn 1 you either want to filter or play delver. Mandrills is a better 1 drop.

>>48212346
Yes, I wouldn't play delirium cards in a delver deck

>>48212229
You want to play a harder to activate Nacatl?

>>48212346
>>48212249
How many Mandrils do you want in a delver deck, 4? Is snapcaster still viable in that situation?

>>48212409
I figured it's an alternative to having to run a 4c deck.

>How long have you been playing Modern?
3 years
>What are you playing and why?
Skred because fuck yeah mountains and I dislike decks that or so linear that hate cards are particularly strong against them.
>Any EMN card that could slot in your deck?
Bedlam Reveler probably would if Relic of Progenitus wasn't so relevant that I needed to main it.
>What EMN card(s) do you feel will be big in Modern?
The obvious answers are Thalia and Eldritch Evolution but I think a couple of the rare emerge cards could find a place.

>>48212488
This is mine >>48211248
I have the 1 snappy but I find he's too slow and just doesn't add much to the deck when my main threats are creatures. Bolt-snap-bolt is amazing but doesn't come together all that often. Especially when I'm trying to protect goyfs.

I'm excited for grapple with the past honestly. Thought scour that grabs not just what I've milled. Shame about the 2 cmc

>>48212576
Wizards are being very careful not to print good cards at 1CMC anymore. Just look at all the half pushed 2 mana spell in the new set.

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>>48212601
They learned from their "mistakes"

>>48212621
Did they ever release an R&D thing about how this got printed?

>>48210960
Not the parent you're talking too, but it often seems that way playing against it. But then again I might play against palming scum.

>>48212634
>>48212621
That card singlehandedly makes BUG decks good, and made graveyard decks extremely interactive. Frankly, it's one of the best designed cards in recent memory.

Being castable off a usea is obnoxious, and being a 1/2 was unnecessary, but it's a great example of an interesting creature.

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>>48206685

>>48212689
>only reply
>replied to a 7 hour old post
Consider suicide

>>48212725
YOU MEAN DEATH'S SHADOW AGGRO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>48212742
BUGZ N THUGZ 4 LYF

>>48212745
WE AT WIZARDS OF THE COAST APOLOGIZE ENDLESSLY FOR THE UTTERANCE OF SUCH A DISGUSTING "DECK NAME", AS WE ALL KNOW THAT THUGS MEANS BLACK PEOPLE

>>48212680
>Frankly, it's one of the best designed cards in recent memory.
Really?
>Shits on many strategies
>Punishes your opponent for playing the game
No way, anon.
>1/1
>from YOUR graveyard
fixed

>>48206239
Spell Queller will see play in all formats, sans maybe Vintage.
4 of in Bant Company in Standard, prepare for annoying "Company in response" Spell Queller wars.
Fits into Jeskai in Modern, counter Decay and Counterflux as well as exiling the relevant Persist creatures.
Counters anything except Terminus in Legacy that's relevant
Its worth the price its presaling for

>>48212766
Link? Cause I really want to read something unintentionally very racist from someone saying they're not.

>>48212601
>Wizards are being very careful to not print good cards anymore that aren't Midrange minions or Planeswalkers

Fixed that for you buddy.

>>48212785
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wizards+bugs+and+thugs+apology

>Use Eldritch Evolution on any 4 drop
>Grab Woodland Bellower
>Woodland Bellower grabs Eternal Witness
>Get back Eldritch Evolution
>Use Eldritch Evolution on Eternal Witness
>Grab Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
>Clone Woodland Bellower
>New Woodland Bellower grabs Bounding Krasis
>Untap Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
>Clone Bounding Krasis
>Untap Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
>Clone Bounding Krasis
>Untap Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Is 2GGGG in two payments of 1GG and a 4 drop not good enough for modern?

>>48212773
If it just hit your own graveyard, it becomes much less interesting. Being able to DTT/Murderous cut/snappy out from under Dr. S or get into DRS fights is interactive. Being able to run maindeck incidental GY hate turned dredge into a fun, interactive matchup and made P Fire beatable.

Dr. S makes magic more interactive: that's a good thing.

>>48212890
Blue decks are going to spit you out of the tournament. Also you need to pull 2GGGG out of your ass.

>>48212890
Remand

>>48212890
That's... actually pretty good.

>>48212890
Please read evolution again. You can't recur it

>>48212774
A 3 mana temporary counter doesn't currently have a home in legacy, but it's still not bad

>>48212890
Read eldritch evolution again, specifically the last sentence.

>>48212955
Thanks for stopping this degenerate combo WotC

>>48212983
Wizards of the Coast, ensuring cards can't be broken since Treasure Cruise butthurt them into oblivion.

>>48212919
>Blue decks
kek

Reminder that a chunk of the Nahiri Control lists on mtgtop8 are decks that finished 9+ in MTGO tournaments.

>>48212955
Can you pull cards from exile with Glittering Wish?

>>48213071
A card in exile is still in the game. And you're adding more pieces to the combo. Honestly just stop. Even the all-in Allosaurus lists will be more stable than yours.

>>48213101
I'm not that guy, I actually did read Eldritch Evolution.
I was just wondering

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Would a card like this help to make blue control decks more viable in modern?

>>48213274
It'd make tempo blue decks stronger.

>>48213001
More like trying to prevent combo decks from existing because of the "feel-bads"

>>48213274
You know reanimator effects aren't the same as "playing from the graveyard" right

>>48213407
I imagine his terrible idea is to Snapcaster mage/past in flames this as its an instant...still he is cancer, click the report button

>>48213274
Wouldn't a Instant Creature be Flash? Isn't that the whole point of flash?

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Would a card like this be used in control decks? Or is ancestral visions just better?

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>>48215094
Fucking kill yourself

So, pre-release is approaching and I'm going to a 2HG event. What are some good team names?

are we getting any dual lands this set? i haven't seen anything in the spoilers.

>>48215320
the petulant preteen jaces
Q'rrrrrapt and the float boat
Cool dips
nickel and dime

>>48215320
The Jacetice League
Squee and the Weatherlights

>>48215320
Lucy in Jeskai in Diamonds.

>>48215320
this is the modern general.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-06-16-rw-token/ can I get some help with this deck? Anything I coul
>>48206291
>>>48206255 →
>What's your budget? Bogles is easier to skimp on since Horizon Canopy's are non-critical. Infect is easily the best of the three but Hierarchs and Mistys aren't cheap or non-critical. Dredge isn't a spike deck.
d replace?

>>48215549
Sheeeeeeet damn you mobile

Should I get Vryns Prodigies now?

>>48215587
You should get them never

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What do you guys think of making a card that allows you to have a commander in modern, but makes it so you can play only a single copy of each card in modern? What would a card have to look like for that to be strong enough for it to be worth using?

>>48215549
Get all the good white token generators from bw tokens, get paths, bolts and helixes, proper duals like sacred foundry and fetches (painlands if you cant afford them now), intangible virtue, run smaller Elspeth, cut all that limited cards - they are bad. Move tremors and assemble to sb, fill rest of it with hate cards, like w and r leylines, rip, stony silence, disenchant etc. Then playtest on xmage and trim to your liking/meta.

>>48215773
Which cards are the limited cards?

>>48215860
There are a lot of ways your list could go, do you want your deck to be some kind of red/white tokens deck? If you do and you want it to be competitive then you do not yet have the cards you need at all. Instead of listing all the cards in your deck that aren't good enough for modern, here are the ones that are (note that some of these don't go in RW tokens, are only narrowly playable):

Assemble the Legion
Elspeth
Purphoros
Raise the Alarm
Secure the Wastes
Young Pyromancer

I don't think all these cards go in the same tokens deck, but these are the only cards worth playing in your list. I know that isn't very helpful but that's where I'd start. As far as cards I'd pick up (not knowing your budget)

Arid Mesa
Marsh Flats (I'll explain later)
Blood Crypt
Sacred Foundry
Godless Shrine
Bloodstained Mire
Bitterblossom
Lingering Souls
Monastery Mentor
Lightning Bolt
Lightning Helix
Zealous Persecution

You should look into Black/White tokens which is an established deck with some results. Here's a good place to start: www.mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=219

From there see if you still want red. You can go tri-color if you've got the money for the lands. RW would be harder but doable and there are fewer resources out there to help you. Hope this helps.

>>48211248
Now that I have Goyfs I can play decks like this. Looks like fun. What are the good/bad matchups?

>>48216444
Y-You see, I'm kinda on a super tight budget at the moment. Although I see what you're saying. The deck is supposed to be a red white token deck, which uses Purphoros and/or Impact Tremors as wincons along with the massive amount of token generation. Hence the presence of cards like Mirror Entity and Rally the Peasants for that sudden swing of death

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Never forget.

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What would a budget Bogles deck look like?

Name the most Spike decks in Modern.

>>48216633
I totally get you. This is not meant as an insult. Play pauper. It's a fucking great format, seriously, and decks are like $30-$50. $70 MAX. I'm pretty sure tokens is a thing and you probably have a lot of the cards.

>>48216716
>Most Spike deck in Modern

Jund. No one enjoys playing it but you force yourself to because it wins, a lot. Infect and Burn are also up there.

>>48216826
Sadly, my LGS doesn't hold any pauper events. And I like being able to use my Mirror Entity and Purphoros.

>>48216905
Then play your list man, don't let me stop you. My suggestion in that case would be to cut way back on single card copies and try to acquire playsets of the cards you feel are doing you the most favors. You may not win consistently, but you will occasionally kill people out of nowhere which is always fun.

>>48217031
So far, that's what I've been doing. It's fucking awesome.

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2-0 with this on cockatrice. Feel like I should sort out the sideboard and cut the Dead Weights in favor of more instants or more Collective Brutalities; they're really good delirium activators.

>>48217160
Wrong thread faggot

>>48206239
>around a year or so
>tooth and nail, i love green and i love combo
>newmakrul will suck but i will try it
>maybe eldritch evo,tamiyo in bant could be a thing

>>48216870
Nah, Jund is the spiked deck man, Jund is the gatekeeper. That's why it's the most expensive by far. Everyone buys in thinking this is the time. This is the one. Bolt, IoK, Goyf, Abrupt Decay, LILI?!?! Motherfucker I've got all the answers. I finally have all the answers! My sideboard tech is stupid good! Fuck this linear-play-all-my-spells-and-win kind of format nonsense, I'm playing Jund bro.

Nope. Sometimes Jund has it, but most of the time it don't, because Jund cares too much about what it's playing against.

>>48217377
>Playing a 2k deck in a 500-700$ format

Why must you trigger me.

>>48217298
Whoops

Jundfag here. My meta has become infested with meme combos. I usually grind them out and race them but they tend to topdeck their stupid BTL or Breach pieces or KCI or Tooth and Nail or whatever and it makes my Tarmogoyfs cry.

Surgical Extraction or Slaughter Games and how many?

>>48217561
Both, probably 2-2 split but I wouldn't say for sure without testing or knowing your meta.

>>48213623
it makes it so that you can get a 11/11 can't be blocked on turn 3 after getting it with snapcaster

>>48218121
What are you talking about, Shape Anew?

I've had mtg cards for over 2 years now and loved collecting them, but never learned what types of deck are what, (When people say control deck etc) or really how to play how should i begin??

(My decks are a red/black one i built myself and a green/white one i bought pre-built from a friend. I'd be more comfortable using the prebuilt green white one.)

>inb4 newfag pls go

>>48218292
talking about how the custom card is really broken because having flash and having the instant supertype means that snapcaster can bring it back from the grave on turn 3 due to snapcaster allowing the player to recast an instant

>>48218346
Find a local game store and get them to teach you, I'm too much of a lazy asshole and the internet is a terrible medium for such a thing. Most of them are pretty damn friendly towards new players of all ages. You could also get Magic Online and learn with that but there are additional expenses involved and collecting digital cards is completely unsatisfying. Learning the game is a lifelong process but learning to play will take like 20 minutes tops. Also, get into Limited (drafting). It's fucking great.

>>48218526
There's a quite a few stores near me that play and do drafts every so often. Thanks for the advice man.

>>48218733
look up 'mtg draft bread' for a guide on how to construct a decent limited deck

>>48216625

I'm still learning how to play all the matchups but so far I feel it has game against most decks and sideboard shores up bad MUs. RIP Treasure Cruise.

Good matchups include decks like Burn, Tron, Abzan CoCo/Elves type decks, Infect and all in combo.

Affinity is pretty even and fun.

Midrange is a nightmare, specifically Jund. Blood Moon, Huntmaster, Curiosity and Spider Umbra are all viable cards to put you on more even footing. Plus the Werewolf is a blast to plat with counterspells and cantrips.

>>48206239
What's a competitive modern deck I could get that doesn't break my bank?

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>>48220907
red burn mtg goldfish
you WILL WIN
it's 60$

>>48220907
For FNM:
Mono G Stompy
Emeria Control
Soul Sisters
Mono U Tron
8Whack
Budget Infect
Budget Bogles
Budget Burn

Tier 1/2 for a tournament? Burn and Merfolk are still the cheapest, but I think both are above 500$ now.

>>48221097
mono red burn sounds nice
>>48221108
Like Mono G Stompy, Soul Sisters, Budget Infect, and Budget Burn. Might just go with Budget Burn or Green Stompy. Are Temur or Gruul (possibly Rakdos) good archetypes in modern?

>>48221184
The problem with 2+ colours is you start needing fetchlands.

>>48217561
>Surgical Extraction or Slaughter Games and how many?
shadow of doubt for tutors
tormod's crypt for kci and graveyard shit

>>48221307
Tormod's Crypt is a bad piece of graveyard hate. Grafdigger's Cage is still cheap and hates on shit like Chord and BTL.

>>48217561
Why not Leyline, that way you get to keep your gy.

>>48221184
I would recommend Green Stompy, it's cheaper and less commonly played than Sisters or Mono Red burn, and has more even matchups than either of those decks. It's not particularly strong against anything but it's also hard to really hate out. The only things that will give you a lot of trouble are proper Wraths (not that wimpy red shit) and big 'walkers like Elspeth, Sun's Champion, both of which are pretty rare in Modern.

>>48221352
Leylines are inconsistent

>>48217561
Goyfs should cry.

But really, why not just run more scoozes instead.

>>48218509
It would become exiled. Ever wonder why creatures don't ever have flashback? It's because they can't, the spell is exiled as it resolves.

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>>48221097
>want to follow this guide but realize that ill never have nor want a relationship anyway

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Been jamming eldritch elves, man the combo happens often. This deck is a premier meme on par with Jeskass.

would this be a good card for modern?!? :)

>>48222003
>Pitched to Nourishing Shoal.crd

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Don't hate, but I'm brewing W/U Spirits for modern with the new cards coming. It feels like it could be almost on par with Merfolk if built right.

I have these 10 cards in mind so far, playsets of all except the legendaries. But I still need filler. I was thinking Remand, but could use some input.

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>>48222525
why doesn't grisshoalbrand run this?

Eternal player here, I like playing decks that apply manabase pressure. Is there a modern deck that fits that bill?

>>48222936
Its worse to through the breach

>>48222944
Land destruction exists but it's unplayable garbage compared to what legacy has

>>48222958
Not land destruction necessarily, but Moon or Stax effects

>>48222974
We have blood moon based decks. They're garbage too.

>>48223082
I was trying Skred and RW control, but they both seemed awful. Blue Moon was ok, but wasn't tha much better.

>>48221108
Merfolk for $500? Caverns + Vials ALONE are $400. Monored Burn or Monogreen Stompy are the only "cheap" decks in modern.

>>48222907
No Geist of Saint Traft?

Is bant eldrazi worth buying into if I have all the lands except caverns?
Meta at locals is everything but control

Looks like UB faeries got 3rd place at an Open yesterday

>>48223581
Yes. The deck is nuts.

I am thinking about building Esper Tron with Gifts package. Can someone redpill me on the deck? Is it actually good or does it just durdle around being cute?

>>48224471
When was the last time it got results?

>>48224566
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/438461#online
top 8'd some modern opens in last month twice

>>48222907
We have a list from before EMN spoilers, /tg/ brewed it together. Maybe it can help.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-04-16-CET-spirit-tribal/

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How does burn beat jund?
What do you have to look out for?

>>48225476
>How does burn beat jund?
It doesn't, jund is literally it's worst matchup.

>>48225476
Does anything beat really though?

>>48225599
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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Would a land like this see any play in a modern deck? Or are the downsides too large to justify using in any current deck?

>>48226352
Annihilator TWO??
Dude are you retarded? That shit is useless, would never see play

These last couple of threads have been filled with retarded custom cards. Where are the mods when you need them.

>>48222907

I'm upgrading my casual Spirits deck right now, too.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/esper-haunted-house/

I want to throw out Eidolon, what should I add instead?
I'm thinking about Mana Leak or vapor snag. I kinda like the idea to possibly being able to vapor snag my own spirits.

also, should I get rid of/reduce the amount of spectral procession and add Anafenza?

also, I know that the manabase is shit. Im gonna upgrade it as soon as possible.

>>48226477
It's just one person doing it for fun. They don't seem to understand power balance too well, or they're trolling. Ignore it if it bothers you, I think some of them are funny.

>>48227167
I wish they would tripfag so I can filter them easier

>>48227288
Are you too retarded to filter the comment section or what?

>>48209199
>can't die to any form of combat damage, including infect counters
>free doom blade when blinked or when it attacks, regardless if it is blocked or not
Retarded as fuck senpai.

>>48227311
The ui is different on the mobile site, it's significantly easier to hide trips on mobile than filter by comment section. Not to mention faster to setup when I change between devices.

>>48227357
Why does nobody here understand what doom blade actually does?

>>48226378
Your assessment is wrong. This card is broken af in any format you care to name except maybe vintage, probably still broken because of the scry. If it's in your opener on the play you basically win turn 0. If they don't have a creature for whatever reason you also win. It's not even a bad top deck since it's in wrath colors, or you could use targeted removal to kill the....

oh you weren't serious, my b

Are you the card's poster trying to drum up responses? I highly recommend >>>r/custommagic

>>48227467
It's just a generic way for me to say destroy a creature.

>>48227588
>look at me I'm so knowledgeable about magic haha :)

I'm building budget Emeria Control.
I'm not running Snapcaster and I never will. Should I get Rune Snag instead of mana leak?

How bad is it?
Why is it bad?
What should I change?
Are BW tokens the only way I'm gonna have token fun.

1 Swamp
3 Plains
4 Marsh Flats
1 Mountain1
3 Clifftop Retreat
3 Sacred Foundry
3 Godless Shrine
4 Arid Mesa
3 Purphoros, God of the Forge
3 Boros Charm
3 Path to Exile
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Mogg War Marshal
3 Young Pyromancer
4 Lightning Helix
4 Lingering Souls
2 Impact Tremors
3 Spectral Procession
3 Gather the Townsfolk
4 Raise the Alarm

>>48221638
I do it for me
I know I'll never get anyone, but atleast I want to kill my self less now

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>>48221108
mono-g tooth and nail is pretty fun not that expensive

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Would this make madness a thing? Is it broken?

>>48227794
No intangible virtue? Young Pyro is asking for it and if you want to go for an ETB strategy, then why aren't you running 4 impact tremors? Your tokens aren't really doing much being 1/1 for the entire game and a sideboard card like virulent plague wrecks your deck

>>48228735

Better or worse?
1 Swamp
3 Plains
4 Marsh Flats
1 Mountain1
3 Clifftop Retreat
3 Sacred Foundry
3 Godless Shrine
4 Arid Mesa
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
3 Boros Charm
3 Intangible Virtue
3 Path to Exile
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Mogg War Marshal
3 Young Pyromancer
4 Lightning Helix
3 Monastery Mentor
4 Lingering Souls
4 Spectral Procession
4 Raise the Alarm

I think maybe I could always sb mentor for tremor.

>>48222944
G/R land destruction is both good and applies a ton of pressure to manabases through ramped stone rains, bloodmoons, and acid-mosses

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-06-16-rw-token/
Ok, what should I take out of this deck, put into it, etc.? Especially take out, I can't really get new cards right now.

>>48229034
unless you are green dont expect to cast anything more than 4 mana at any point, also try to trim out the singleton creatures for a playset of pyromancer, secure the wastes, you want 4 of bolt in your deck and a cheaper anthem effect other than inspired charge

I'm thinking of trying MTG because Innistrad is cool. Is it worth it to buy the duel decks to play with a friend before going to my FLGS for FNM? I've been told to never buy boosters or decks, always draft. But I've also never played.

>>48229128
having a friend that plays is the best way to start, i would def try out a duel deck and play that with him, and play until you are comfortable. then decide how you like to win your games, pick your format according to your budget
>legacy/vintage = most expensive
>commander = cheap or expensive
>modern = decks are expensive but will last longer than standard
>standard = most recent sets, freshest decks but expensive due to sets rotating out every few months

>>48229087
I was thinking of dropping the valley dashers along with your recommendations. Is that a good idea?

>>48229198
I am a cheap loser. I've heard commander is most fun but I am interested in draft. I think it would be more fun to just show up for a draft every now and then than to drop hundreds of dollars on a constructed deck to play over and over. I don't see myself getting into MTG religiously, just another thing to do every now and then.

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>>48229212
you could try out cards like mogg war marshall, and buffs like pic related, i would def trade out dashers for good token generators or higher value creatures

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>>48229265
draft would be fun for you then, its a format where you will have longer more board-related games, while growing a collection you could trade in if you desire to get into it more often, there is also a format getting more popular called pauper, where you can just play commons and ive heard its pretty fun

>>48229268
Ok, I was thinking of adding some massive raids, an outpost siege or 2, and a curse of bloodletting. Bad idea?

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>all of EMN added to Xmage
It's time to fucking brew

>>48229307
massive raid doesent seem too bad, the other cards are very expensive mana wise, in modern try to expect to win or lose by turn 4/5

>>48229338
Ah, OK. How does Odric, Lunarch Marshal look? Depending on what I put in the deck to support, he might be pretty damn good, I'd say.

>>48229359
i like that idea, also cards like boros charm, and maybe rally the righteous, and once you get some money or trade fodder, leigon loyalist would be an all star for your deck

>>48229293
Dank, think I'll pick up the duel deck after work tomorrow.

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>>48229390
if you really like the curse of blood letting, you could try quest for pure flame, its alot cheaper so it would be easier to get off imo

>>48229390
Ok, so looking at my list, my only real keywords for the soup are flying and purphoros's indestructible. Any creatures I could put in for more keyword soup action?

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>>48229439
spark elemental comes to mind, these along with lightning bolts and boros charms would give you really fast kill potential, also i would try to get rid of the lands that enter tapped in favor of battlefield forge, its cheap and the ping it does to you doesent matter as much as long as you get the kill first

>>48229520
Oh, would Sin Prodder work well?

>>48229520
Okay, I know it's way less efficient, but I always liked Lightning Elemental and Ball Lightning way more than Spark Elemental.

>>48229547
sin prodder would be great, the menace is really relevent, and his ability will let you close games out faster by either get more cards, or ticking them close so you can finish them with a lightning bolt or boros charm

>>48212911
It killed dredge and gobos.
You are a shitter.

>>48229595
i would opt more for ball lightning, lightning ele is 4 mana for such a fragile creature, you could probably fit in more damage or utility for the 4 mana instead

>>48228266
Why is Tooth and Nail not more popular?
From my testing it can goldfish a fairly reliable turn 4 kill, and even when you don't draw Tooth and Nail, you're often on turn 4 with something like Garruk, Primeval Titan, or a 5+ Genesis Wave going off

>>48229661
its pretty weak to enchantment hate, and your arbor elf and satyr are very important and die to bolt very easily, in my case one or 2 bolts or enchant/land hate cards can shut down your deck. that being said, the deck is very versatile and can do alot, witness+primal command lock, you can transition to stompy style play easily, and can combo off quickly. other than that i dont see why its more popular

>>48229607
Is Sunhome Guildmage good?

>>48229728
hes not bad, you really just have to be careful of your mana, modern is a stupid fast format, so every mana you tap has to count for alot. just weigh the advantage or this on turns 2/3 compared to other cards you can play on 2-3

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>>48229312
OP here, thanks for letting us know.

Everyone else, which questions would you like to see in the next Modern thread?

>>48229798
how fun is dredgevine, and is there anything to protect your graveyard from being fucking obliterated by one card

I think I'm going to be building red/white norin sister deck for modern.

>>48229769
How about Aegis of the Gods? Doesn't really fit into the theme, but I like having hex proof. Oblivion Ring? Cathar's companion?

>>48228843
Somewhat better I'd say. The thing that sucks about adding things like Mentor and Pyro is that they become targets for removal which tokens is resilient to. Casting Either of those can become a wasted turn which is why Hero of Bladehold is a better sideboard card in BW Tokens because most likely, your opponent will remove some removal for enchantment hate.

I'd personally run Purphoros as a 2 or 3 of and 4x Impact tremors over Mentor. 4x Bolt, 2x Helix, 2X Boros Charm, maybe 4 Path. Timely Reinforcements and a single of secure the wastes might be worth looking into as well

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>>48229312

oh fuck yes, I wasn't expecting this to happen that soon

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First draft for Grim Rock
Beat 8whack and Abzan Company so far, CONFIRMED new meta

>>48229798

>what memedeck are you brewing?

>>48229848
Also, should I put in black, go full mardu?

>>48229307
Massive raid is only good if you have at least 3 creatures and even then it kinda blows. Its like Launch the Fleet: not good

>>48229969
Dude, launch the fleet would be fucking amazing in my deck. Seeing as I run Impact Tremors and the like, that extra bit of pain means life and death.

>>48229661
Goldfishing is a test of speed to meet minimum benchmarks. It is also useful to sample hands and initial lines of play. It's not a test of actual effectiveness in the metagame.

>>48229798
>what is your top 3 best cards from the new set for modern?

>>48229929
I played a few games of it and it I think you absolutely right about mentor.
I changed the tokens so I now have 3 of secure waste, ling, raise, spec. I will take out mentor for more purphoros

Spells
2 helix
4 path
4 bolt
3 boros
3 pyro
3 purpho
3 gobo

>>48229996

not him but launch the fleet is one of these cards that sounds fucking awesome on paper but won't be very useful almost every time you draw it

>>48229848
>How about Aegis of the Gods? Doesn't really fit int
cathars isnt that great, aegis could be a good sideboard card against some combo decks you will see, oblivian ring doesent really synergize with your deck that much maybe path to exile if you really need to get rid of something its more pricey though

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Hey /tg/. I'm trying to switch into a bit more modern and I'm wondering what suggestions on a deck to play based on the decks I played in standard and my playstyle.

I played sultai control from the start of Khan's block (from the saytr way finder days too) til it rotated. I also had a boros mid-range deck I played with stormbreath, outpost siege, and soul fire. I generally enjoy winning with a mix of oppressive creatures that retain value(tasigur, kalitas, and etc.), strong planeswalkers that recur advantage and can end games, and potent removal(never cared to run many counters). I play very competitively in standard but god damn some of these people are brainless.

Open to suggestions.

>>48222907
That actually seems pretty decent. Anafenza *Almost* works the same way as a lord. Rattlechains and Selfless Spirit both work well for tricky combat tricks, and being a UW deck you get access to lots of goodstuff like Azorious Charm and Eidolon of Rhetoric .
You can also use janky as fuck shit from Kamigawa like celestial Kirin

>>48229661
List? I never see Genesis Waves being run in Tooth and Nail decks.

>>48230166
maybe grixis control?, has value creatures, ive seen tasigur and kalitas run in both, strong removal as well as good counters
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-grixis-delver-25921#paper

>>48229933
>lilly the last hope
why anon? why are you doing this to yourself?

>>48230248
not him but i wouldnt run gen wave either, i would like to check out the list as well
heres mine : http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-03-16-DZq-tooth-and-nail/

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Thinking about taking this to FNM, thoughts?

>>48230288
Her -2 synergizes with what I'm trying to do, and I don't have much reason to run LotV over Last Hope

>>48230296
A bit new to modern so explain these card choices to me
>Wurmcoil Engine: If you're already running Primeval Titan and Emrakul, as well as a Xenagos, why have an Engine? Just takes up a space that can be used for another Eternal Witness imo
>Beast Within: Never really got this card. I understand having permanent removal but having that to give another play a 3/3 just seems like you're losing something in the process.
>Painlands: This is just me but I prefer not to have painlands, especially in this deck where the only multicolored creatures are Xenagos which is a wincon to cheat onto the board with Tooth and Nail. Kessig is good too but if there no painlands it doesn't make sense for it to be there.
Everything else looks good though. I was about to say you couldn't generate red mana for Lightning Bolts but then I realized you could with Utopia Sprawl

>>48229996
I'm telling you from experience in running it in my BW tokens a while ago. like >>48230095 said, sounds great on paper, then you play someone and realize its a dead card 99% of the time.

>>48230424
i cant rely on utopia sprawl to generate red for kessig or xenagos, the wurmcoil is there as a way to stop burn and other high aggro strategy, plus splashing red in for blood moon can make decks just fold on the spot, beast withing is necessary removal for problem cards like ensnaring bridge, infinite combos and other hate cards

>>48230341
>>48230341
>>48230341
New Thread.

>>48230256
I love decks like this. I either expected this to be suggested or jund or abzan. Which of the 3 have the best match ups against aggro and control? My locals is filled with burn, eldrazi, tron, hyper aggro and control.

>>48230606
im not really a control player myself so i cant speak from experience, i think i would suggest jund, it has more value creatures than grixis, a great amount of removal and your deck is very flexible, ive heard is loses to tron though. the deck is also like 2 grand

>>48230606
Abzan and Jund seem good against that field. Grixis Control has an awkward Burn match up, it needs Kalitas. All 3 lose to Tron.

How is Memeskai Ascendacy doing lately?

Is the new list from mtgtop8 good?