MTG Modern General

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The overall and paper Modern Metagame.

Information on Tiers and how they're calculated:
http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/

Direct link to the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwzQKE-QTxRqzZjZ2n0o1Cp80enNcYQACf3d7xlsVDc/pubhtml

Modern deck primers link:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern

Does WUx Superfirends with Deploy the Gatewatch seem viable?

>>48191245
I feel like you have to put the big walkers in your deck to make Deploy worth it, but they would be useless if you don't draw Deploy

>>48191129
>How long have you been playing Modern?
Since 2011.

>What are you playing and why?
Various, because I don't want to get hated out at my LGS.

>Any EMN card that could slot in your deck?
I'm not particularly impressed with the set. Maybe Eldritch Evolution will end up in a deck. I dunno.

>What EMN card(s) do you feel will be big in Modern?
None. I don't think anything will reach Collected Company or Nahiri levels of play.

>>48191129
If mana cost isn't an objection and situational functionality isn't an issue, what's the best stand-in for Divining Top in modern?

In terms of reordering the top of your library. Would that just be scry? Or is Grim Flayer the new best option?

Why is nobody talking about how insane this card is?

>1 thought sieze
>2 collective brutality, discarding a land, an instant, and a creature, killing their first creature, discarding their best spell, and gaining some life buffer.
>3 hymn to tourach thanks for the delerium.

>>48191245
W Tron with Deploy is about the best the card will ever get. Cycle stars for the white, 4 Karn, 4 Ugin, you're probably gonna hit one, and if you hit both you're golden.

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>>48191129
>People stills understimate this card
Moar for me

>>48191341
>White Weenie will be good this time! I swear!

Can't wait for this card to be trash so we can have this same argument in September or October.

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>>48191341
>Worse than Guardian of Thraben is insane
Sure it is.

>>48191352
>>48191370
>Look, all those who said the same of collected company and Nahiri

>>48191352
White weenie will never be good in Modern because you have no way of bullying your opponent's mana base by abusing your own consistency. There is no Wasteland, there is no Rishidan Port.

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>>48191383
CoCo and Nahiri win games. That Thalia isn't going to win games.

>>48191383
As soon as coco was spoiled I said it was going to be bonkers.

I wasn't around for Nahiri, but every spoiler season we have people decrying sleepers. Anyone can guess what number I'm thinking of 1 out of a 100 times.

>>48191401
>/tg/ Being bad at magic recent history:
>Amulet Bloom is such a meme
>CoCo is 4 Mana and is just cmc 3 or less, is unusable
>TKS and the new eldrazi are a meme, fucking casuls
>Nahiri Jeskai is bad and don't win tournaments

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What's the best card-draw for green?
Harmonize?

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Is this card going to be retarded with Grim Flayer, or what?

On turn three it's either a Rampant Growth with upside or a Cutlivate with HELLA upside.

On turn four it becomes a potentially better Thran Dynamo.

>>48191426
Before damage I'll Bolt your Grim Flayer.

>The best made plans of mice and men

>>48191420
>I threw a dart and hit a bullseye three times in a row!

>Obviously the last 100 missed shots don't mean anything, and I'll hit a bullseye this next time!

Hey, there's this thing called the lottery I think you should check out.

>>48191447
Nice it's the dies to removal meme

>>48191475
If your Grim Flayer dies or gets countered, that Animist's Awakening is a really REALLY bad card.

>>48191447
Actually, that brings up a question.

If Bolt resolves and ends up being the fourth card type in a graveyard, does Flayer die?

I know Delirium only works on with your graveyard, so let's say for some bizarre corner case reason you're bolting your own Flayer.

>>48191475
>>Yeah, but one piece of your two card combo dies to removal, making the other one useless.

>Nice meme sperglord ahahahahahahah

>>48191498
Pretty sure it would die. It works with Goyf because */* is a characteristic defining ability, while Delirium deals with layers.

>>48191513
>turning on spell mastery is a "combo"
>muh doom blades
/tg/ is not good at magic, part XVCCII

Anyone have any thoughts on building a RG Valakut deck with either Through the Breach or Scapeshift as your win condition alongside Prime Times?
I've seen a fair amount of both versions of the deck, and playsets of Scapeshift and Through the Breach are relatively similar in price, so I don't know which to go with

>>48191601
Get the Scapeshifts, it's more consistent and allows you to turn your deck into other Scapeshift variants if you ever feel like it.

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>>48191574
>If my Grim Flayer resolves and its trigger sees 2 instants/sorceries and 2 lands I'll be able to ramp 2 land off this 3 mana spell!

Like nigger just no this is not how you build decks. Do you want to beat your opponent down or do you want to ramp? You can't hope to do both as well as a focused could do either.

>>48191609
Yeah cause you haven't played any cards other than Grim Flayer because that's how Magic works

>>48191634
You have your turn 1 to cast Thoughtseize. Probably Duress in your case because you're clearly poor. Either way you're banking an awful lot on getting lucky with the Flayer trigger. You want 50% of it to be land, when only ~40% of your deck is land.

>>48191424
bump

>>48191424
Glimpse of nature

>>48191647
I'm not even the guy who pointed out the synergy, I'm just some guy who likes Grim Flayer
He's gonna be played one way or another

Have the Spike fucks broken Scapeshift yet? If a deck with 28 repeatable double Bolts in it isn't T1 I'll eat my hat.

>>48191268
as someone who exclusively plays burn I really should tell you how anti synergistic it is in the deck.

You are never gonna cast this thing before turn 3.
You can't use your Lavamancers if you want to cast this thing at any reasonable speed.
It doesn't have haste so your opponent can just path or terminate it.

The only real benefit to this dude is that he lets you draw three cards, and while that is great and all, having to wait to cast him is gonna suck ass.

>>48191786
Eat a hat. All Valakut decks are Tier 2 or below.
>Temur Scapeshift
>BTL Scapeshift
>GR Titanshift
>GRw Breach

>>48191796
Replace your 2 Lavamancers with him.

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>>48191803
No nigga you just don't understand.

>>48191804
>replace free repeatable spot removal with a dumb beatstick that doesn't have haste
How about no

>>48191836
Not all burn lists run Lavamancer anyway so don't act like you need them.

>>48191312
Hymn of Emmy is actually pretty good, but you are fucking retarded if you think Collective brutality is anything other than complete fucking jank.

>>48191796
If this ends up being good it will be in UR, which can live with something being primarily a way to replenish your hand and a threat second. In burn, it is probably destined to be a Vexing-Devil-level cock tease.

>>48191245
It's a 6 CMC spell, so not without an unfair to play it.

>>48191828
Are there reliable ways to fill your graveyard with lands by turn 4?

>>48191647
>>48191609

>implying I, the anon who pointed out the synergy, do not own a playset of foil french Lorwyn Thoughtseizes

I scoff at thee. Ha! Ha ha!

All I'm saying is that in a situation where you can manipulate the top cards of your deck, Animist's Awakening is the most efficient green ramp spell printed.

Grim Flayer is already a card worth playing and in the course of doing things you already want to be doing, it's really good.

>>48191917
If this saw no play, Grim Flayer won't.

>>48191965
>Insert Dimir Cutpurse image

>>48191877
Loam decks will want it to sculpt their hand
In fact it's really good for modern dredge decks in general

>>48191990
But Dimir Cutpurse is unplayable garbage

>>48192042
It's a better hit trigger than Flayer.

>>48192053
>>48191990
>costs 1 more mana
>doesn't get bigger or have trample
>has a completely different effect
>somehow comparable.

>>48192053
Yeah you're right Top is just shit

>>48191341
it's shit m8

A 3cmc card that dies to bolt without doing anything and most Modern decks operate just fine with ~4 lands, turn 3 is way too late for an effect like this to be great.

>>48191909
Dredge, but that's not exactly what dredge is about. Maybe Gitrog monster can make this card work.

>>48191420
>Amulet Bloom is such a meme
It was, the ban was stupid

>CoCo is 4 Mana and is just cmc 3 or less, is unusable
CoCo isn't what makes the deck work. A lack of stack interaction and efficient sweepers in the format make it work. CoCo is a card that gets more and more valuable the more shitty the format is.

>TKS and the new eldrazi are a meme, fucking casuls
They were and still are. The sol lands/Eye (and Chalice in Legacy) are the engines behind them, Eldrazi are worthless without their busted toys.

>Nahiri Jeskai is bad and don't win tournaments
It doesn't.

>>48192188
Maybe some sort of BG rock deck with Grim Flayer, Gitrog Monster Loaming Shaman and some sort of finisher to go along with Splendid Reclamation

>>48192183

Oh man the days following release are gonna be glorious though
>Playing Jund vs new Shit & Taxes
>His turn, 3 lands, taps out for New Thalia
>My turn, play a Cliffs tapped, remove Thalia for 1/2 mana

/tg/ pls

>>48192271
Why would you play a land before removing Thalia

>>48192295
To rub it in. Enters tapped regardless

>>48192379
Why would you value rubbing it in over representing a bolt

BW tokens has the powerlevel of T2 decks. Prove me wrong

>>48192454
You are making a claim, we have no business proving it wrong until you actually demonstrate why it's not wrong.

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r8 my meme

>>48192424
Cliffs enters tapped on 3 regardless. My point is that when New Thalia comes in, mana and creature speed doesn't matter any more.

>>48192503
You know exactly why this deck is garbage.

>>48191909
Yeah it's called Scapeshift and it starts turn 3.

>>48192531
because its not Affinity, jund or burn?

>>48192557
What are you even talking about familia

>>48192563
Because it doesn't have Salvage Titan you big silly!

>>48192568
>Scapeshift into 4 Valakuts turn 3
>Splendid Reclamation back four lands into 16 Bolt triggers
It's really a completely different deck than normal control Scapeshift, and solves the issue of running Prismatic Omen or not which normally doesn't really contribute to the Scapeshift plan.

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Would a card like this help to make Delver a viable deck again? Or is the downside too large to justify its use?

>>48191341
Ironically it is much weaker against Ad Nauseam combo than old thalia is. I'd say one of the best cards in the set is Collected Brutality.

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>>48192660

>>48191607
My next question then is what advantages does RG titanshift have over dedicated scapeshift decks with blue for cryptics and other stuff?
Am I better off just building the blue version, or is RG better in the current meta?

>>48192894
RG is better in a meta without countermagic. That includes shit as dumb as Ad Nauseam's Pact of Negation and Delver's Deprive. It's much more reliable and fast.

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Consider all Tier 1-3 decks, which of these are Modern playable?

>>48193098
Hymrakul looks like it could be fun in the SB for BGx if Jeskai Nahiri ever becomes a thing and can legitimately get a card advantage plan. Its easy Cryptic bait, and there seems to be merit to having multiple ways to attack their hand in the long game rather than drawing with something like Painful Truths.

Eldrazi Order is going to be hilarity when it gets going. All hail Rhino Pod Mk2.

>>48193098
Turn Aside is already Modern-legal from Scars of Mirrodin and it is unplayable.

>>48193098
Collected Brutality seems like a great sideboard card for ad nauseam. Its effectively thoughtseize in all relevant matchups except tron, which is already great, but also has greater utility against infect and death/taxes, our two worst matchups.

>>48193098
Bedlam Reveler is no Treasure Cruise, but I think someone's going to figure out how to make it essentially the same thing.

>>48193098
>blessed alliance
>selfless spirit
>thalia
>whispers of emrakul
>bedlam reveler
>eldritch evolution
>grim flayer
>tamiyo
Are the ones I think have potential.

>>48193098
Beldam Reveler looks like it could be some gas for Burn, Im not convinced it's worth a slot for the best case scenario, or even that it's where Burn wants to be, but it could qualify as a curve topper that Burn has really been lacking.

Awful in the opening hand though, so like Vision, it'll probably be SB bait or a straight brick.

>>48193098
Thalia and Tamiyo

>>48193185
Its a clunkier, slower, more situational, sorcery speed Treasure Cruise with effectively double the cost.

Cruises problem was always being effectively U cost at Instant speed, Reveler being at best RR at Sorcery speed, with the discard added to it makes it significantly clunkier.

>>48193263
Cruise is a sorcery, dude.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/12-02-16-naya-zoo/

What's the cheapest way to improve my Naya Zoo? I'm already planning on purchasing a playset of Path of Exile.

>>48193273
Oh I'm an idiot I was mixing it with Brainstorm, ignore that part.

>>48193098

Selfless Spirit, Thalia Heretic Cathar, Imprisoned in the Moon, Eldritch Evolution, Splendid Reclamation, Grim Flayer, Spell Queller.

These are the cards that lot of people are going to try.

>>48192660
Fuck off.

>>48193286
This is just my two cents, but I think you should get rid of Woolly Thoctar and replace that slot with expidites

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>>48191129
>>How long have you been playing Modern?
3 years

>>What are you playing and why?
D&T, because I sold everything else besides my LGC list.

>>Any EMN card that could slot in your deck?
Thalia, possibly Sigarda's thingy in a different shell. I don't really care. I just show up to farm store credit.

>>What EMN card(s) do you feel will be big in Modern?
I don't care, t-b-q-h-f-a-m

>>48193482
Wow. What a quality post. Maybe just kill yourself next time you think about posting again.

>>48193519
your format is the dumpster where non-legacy-viable cards go when Standard rotates. I freefarm you because half of you idiots don't know how Leonin Arbiter works and the other half can't beat Flicker-effects.

>>48193787
Lmao whatever makes you feel better friend

>>48193787
Legacy is so bad you gotta make yourself feel better by coming here and being a fedora Lord? Sad dude

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>>48193787
>>48193834
>>48193990
Do you think a card like this would be good to help make modern feel more like legacy? It would ensure that there is more diversity in decks beyond aggro.

>>48194121
First of all, fuck off
Second of all, modern doesn't need to feel more like legacy, they are two distinct formats

>>48194121
No. You'd need force so everyone can get blue balls when their wombo combo gets countered and both decks durdle to time. Legacy isn't all that great

>>48194294
> when their wombo combo gets countered and both decks durdle to time.
Almost never happens vs. combo.

>>48194121
this is a good idea for a card but holy fuck why would anyone think this is even close to balanced?

>>48194294
>>48194385
I can't remember which game it was, but I watched a game which was Macerick vs Sneak and Show and it went on a crazy long time, courtesy of blood moon

>>48194121
>VE MUST ENSURE ZERE IS MORE DIVERSITY IN ZE FORMAT
Fuck off. If you want a healthier format, unban combo pieces and reprint Force of Will.

>>48193286
Drop the Thoctars for more Atarka's commands and Helixes. Get Burning Tree Emmisaries if possible.

>no tibult
>no good new cards
>no good reprints

why do they just release shit

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>>48194121
if you want this and have it be balanced

>if you are attacked by 5 or more creatures you gain 15 life
>if not return this to your hand

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>>48194470
Force of will is a poorly designed pact of negation though and makes legacy a worse format. It forces people to play around a card with little way of telling whether or not you even need to play around it and the consequences of misplaying this guessing game is always game winning or losing. Compare it to a traditional counterspell, where you can tell whether or not you should play around it by how much mana an opponent has up or even against decks that play bolt by keeping your life total around 3. The only way to play around force of will is to hope they don't have it.

That said, I believe this would be a much more balanced replacement to force of will for modern.

>>48194563
Wow you're a fucking moron.

Where do you guys go to get cute ideas for jank brews?

>>48194196
>>48194294
>>48194433

>replying to the custom tard

ishygittidiiggitydoo.

>>48194563
My design was 3UU, "You may pay U and exile an enchantment from your hand instead of paying this card's mana cost." That was when I was dicking around with an enchantments matter custom set, though.

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>>48194601
No, I am right. There is no reasonable counter to force of will outside of playing force of will yourself. There is a reason mental misstep was banned in modern.

That said, what do you think of a card like this? Would this help blue or red decks in modern?

>>48193286
You probably don't need that many lands.
Nothing in your deck is all that expensive and you don't exactly draw cards all that fast.
Maybe cut 2 or 3 for some more removal.
Infiltration lens is super spicy tech that you should try.

>>48194661
The counter to Force of Will is and will always be playing a fair deck. You do realise that to cast Force of Will for free requires you to exile a blue card right? Countering a goodstuff card like Tarmogoyf tears your hand apart and is generally a losing play.

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>>48194661
>No, I am right. There is no reasonable counter to force of will outside of playing force of will yourself.
Play around it the same way you would any other counterspell. When I play Parfait in Legacy I have Orim's Chant and Ethersworn Canonist to help me resolve my own spells and stop the opponent from protecting their combo.

I wish Twin was fucking legal. FUCK

>>48194716
Thats bad design then. If the only way to counter a single card is by playing an entirely different deck, then something is wrong. Atleast with other one card answers to combo decks, you can potentially outspeed them. Having a single card that costs 0 mana that counters an entire archetype with no way to play around it is bad design.

>>48194767
That's why running Force of Will is always a metagame call. It's a card that lets the metagame balance itself. Kind of like what Splinter Twin did for modern.

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>>48194767
>Having a single card that costs 0 mana that counters an entire archetype with no way to play around it is bad design.
How do you get the impression that this is true? Force is only a good counter to fast combo decks because the rest of them are going to use this on you.

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>>48194755
If you have to mainboard a card that counters only one card in an opponents hand, then that suggests the card is too powerful. Its the same thing with people having to mainboard ensnaring bridge to counter the eldrazi before eye of ugin was banned.

That said, what do you think of adding a sixth color to magic that is based around exile effects, enchantments, and the chaotic aspects of space? Do you think something like this would be good for the modern format as a whole by making enchantments better?

>>48194806
Which is still bad design. It still doesn't allow for combo decks to play around hate without drastically slowing down their game plan.

>>48194819
Fucking kill yourself.

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Will something like this be the new best meme deck?

>>48194870
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T COMBO OFF TURN 1 WHILE MY OPPONENT SITS THERE UNABLE TO STOP ME
Maybe you should try Yugioh or Pokemon.

>>48194889
I want to believe that the Thing in the Ice has a place in these meme lists, purely because Bedlam Reveler is a horror.

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>>48194819
>If you have to mainboard a card that counters only one card in an opponents hand, then that suggests the card is too powerful.
Read the rest of Orim's Chant, it's a very powerful card that's played for reasons beyond Force of Will.

>>48194870
Slowing down powerful combo decks without resorting to bans is the entire purpose of cards like Force. That's why it's considered a police card in Legacy, it keeps decks like Spanish Inquisition and Oops! All Spells in check.

>>48194761
Quality post from a trip fag as usual

>>48194819
>snow mana
>not a snow instant
>doesn't say which player may cast them
You fail at design 101 get out and don't come back.

>>48194914
no way, that's way too slow for a deck like this

>>48194563
baito desu

>>48194895
>what do you mean preventing my opponent from being able to combo at all is not balanced!
Maybe you should try hearthstone instead.

Seriously though, it would be more balanced for wizards to ban turn 1 combos than for them to keep force of will in legacy.

GPT tomorrow, trying to decide what to play. UWR kiki is built, no nahiri for the meme version sorry. It's that or something like infect which I also have.

>>48194915
By in check, do you mean tier 4 meme decks? Because neither of those decks are viable at all strictly because of force of will.

>>48194941
Why is everyone bitching about a format they obviously don't play?

>>48191420
>Nahiri Jeskai is bad and don't win tournaments
It literally won an open and top4ed the MOCS champ. That was some pretty bad bait dude.

>>48194941
You just don't understand it, do you. If Wizards outright banned fast combo decks, Miracles would annihilate the format as they no longer need to run Force of Will, so their matchup against fair decks like Jund becomes amazing.

Force of Will > Combo > Fair decks > Force of Will.

It's a self regulating balance, and you want to disrupt it.

>>48194960
>implying this is a bad thing

>>48194889
It's possible, but I still think Bedlam Reveller is a trap. I'm biased though - even when Treasure Cruise was legal I played Delver with counterspells and DTT because the all-in style never worked for me.

>>48194960
Most combo decks are just a bad version of Storm. Ban Force of Will and those decks won't magically become viable, purely because Storm will crush them at their own game.

>>48195003
>>48194982
>>48194973
Yes, banning tools for combo to win on turn 1 would balance the format. Make them turn 2 combo decks instead, which would mean one mana counterspells become stronger, which makes it fairer to tell whether or not you need to play around a counter or not.

>>48195035
I'm leaving this thread now. That's my "reading dumb shit" quota for the day filled.

>>48194960
that sounds actively very good for the format

>>48194971
But if I tell you delver decks do the same you'll say it's luck

>>48195127
Your meme makes no sense family

>>48195127
Are you 5?

Protip: decks don't win games, players do. Players who consistently top 16 at big events can humiliate anything you build with an event deck.

You're bad at magic and memeing at other bad players on 4chan won't make you better.

>>48195230
This isn't true.
Skill is a factor but bring your event deck against affinity or jund and you're fucked.
Please never post again

>>48195258
Play me famiglia

>>48195151
I don't understand, what part doesn't make sense?

>>48195225
No, I'm 7, get blow the fuck out Jeskassfag

>>48195230
>Players who consistently top 16 at big events can humiliate anything you build with an event deck.
lol
The reason those players do so well is because they bring powerful decks that are tuned to the metagame, and THEN they outplay everyone else who's playing similarly powerful decks that are also well tuned. I don't care if you're Jon Finkel or Kai Budde, you're not going anywhere with a fucking event deck against Jund or Jeskai.

>>48195277
Okay be right over

So I play bw tokens. I have the staple set and I'll like to brand out a little. With the cards I have now what other decks could I make by splashing another colour.

Will splashing red to go the mardu colours work. I feel like bolt and young p will slide quite well into the deck. Any help or advice is welcome..

>Ban Combo decks in Legacy
What the fuck am I reading. How is decks being forced to run FoW because other decks run FoW even an argument. Gee shucks John, I sure do hate running this 0 mana Counterspell.

FoW isn't just to prevent FTKs, it's a fucking ridiculous tempo tool. Legacy is absolutely fine right now, fuck you.

>>48195345
Who are you quoting?

>>48195345
Except very few people play legacy and a lot of people play modern, so clearly there legacy isn't perfect. Force of Will is preventing an entire archetype from being good as its a one card 0 mana "you win the game" effect vs combo.

>>48195362
A gay nigger who shouldn't even be in this thread who we are for some reason replying to despite him being such an obvious (and bad) troll.

>>48195307

The only reason to splash into red in BW tokens is to run Crumble to Dust against Tron.

Cavern of souls reprint when? I wanna play elves.

>>48195409
That's why you play hand disruption in any black combo deck, FoW yourself in a blue combo deck, and splash black if you aren't one of those two colors. You have to have a way to interact with disruption as a combo deck.

Very few people play Legacy because it's expensive and a pain in the ass to find all the cards you need for certain decks (4 years later, Candelabra still nowhere to be found, etc..). You're looking at 2k+ for a deck, nearly 5k if you want to play Shardless.

The most expensive deck in Modern is probably Jund, which is about 2k. There's not many people that can justify dropping that much dough on a children's card game.

I mean; it's probably true that Vintage has the absolute best balance between it's decks, but you don't see a ton of people play that because
>20k decks

>>48195492

Not for a long time, maybe Modern Masters 3.

Honestly I just bit the bullet and grabbed 4 of them.

I've been playing modern on Cockatrice for a while but I mainly pick a deck and screw around with it for a week before trying a new deck. I want to get into paper modern, but how do I decide which deck to go with? Is it best to just pick a T1 from >>48191139 and adjust a netdeck?

>>48195541
YOU just bit the bullet? Nigger I just commit to a playset of Lillies.

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>>48195492
Ikr, Judge promo then MM17 pls

Also, fucking elves is a blast lately, been jamming Elfdritch Evolution.
It seems really solid, but I'm pretty sure it needs some slight tuning (one more archdruid maybe)
I really fucking wish there was a green Iona. Terastodon has been a huge turd sometimes, other times he's been great, but being able to pitch him feels like it makes the deck a hundred times less janky, whereas an Iona in hand makes me want to sudoku. Hornet Queen in hand feels the best as it's easily hardcastable, and Craterhoof hardcast is the most amazing but he doesn't go jack shit if you cheese him turn 2. I think 1 Tera 1 Iona is the way to go.
There needs to be a 9cmc green beefstick.

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>>48196943
Sees play in Reanimator.

>>48196943
also 2 Sylvan Messenger has been so nice, I love casting them and I love transforming a Visionary into a Messenger.
Also ffs Decimator of Provinces wants to fit in the deck so badly, I've been jamming one in the sb and my god is he fun.
>mfw 10cmc instead of 9
>mfw doesn't give himself +2/+2
>mfw emerge ignores colored cmc
Yet he's still a beast.

Any of you niggers use fake cards in tournaments? Looking at picking some up to try new decks.

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>>48197010
I checked him out, it's nice that he has shroud but everything else about him isn't appealing. He seems about the same as Hornet Queen on turn 2.

I just want a 9cmc shroud with evasion, no fancy abilities.

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>>48197266

>>48197284
He's in the sideboard XD
Same as Elesh Norn.

Green literally doesn't have a 9cmc beater

>>48197399
Are you complaining about having an "I WIN" button at 8 mana?

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I'm fifty-fifty on this one.

>>48197454
R for a 3/2 token at instant speed, but requires something to cast it on therefore its 2 for 1. I dont think its good.

>>48197515
The creature doesn't need to be yours.

It could be as simple as you're bolting an opponent's creature, why not Outburst at the same time and get a 3/2 out of it if you have R available?

>>48197415
No anon, 9 cmc.

and green.

>>48197575
Why 9? Have you even read that memecard?

>>48197556
I guess but then it's still too situational. Might work in a delver deck I guess but there's alternatives that could probably do more in that same slot.

>>48191424
regal force is neat, if you can get it somehow.

If you're hardcasting, maybe shamanic revelation?

Green's best card draw is based on casting creatures or having creatures.

>>48197597
But raptor riders are 7cmc.

Terastodon is cool but the fucker has fucked me over for the last time. Iona in hand is cancer.
Where da big green at.

>>48197612
The only situational factor is having R free when any creature would die.

I get that it's still situational but I'm not sure if it's enough to cripple the card. I think it's worth slotting into delver just to test.

>>48197676
Just run 2 Ionas then you fucking idiot. Your chances of drawing one is small. Your chances of drawing both is insanely small.

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>>48191129
A bolt-proof finisher that usually costs 2-3 mana and reloads your hand is pretty nice.

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>>48197712
>2iona
lmao

read my first post, 1 iona 1 tera is probably optimal (iona and elesh are useless vs Tron)

I'm just wishing they printed this guy with +trample for 2 more mana.

>>48197844
Honestly you're just playing a bad Gifts, and that's saying something.

What is considered a good result at a competitive modern FNM?

>>48198041
4-0 or 3-1
This should really be obvious though.

>>48197882
I've never claimed the deck was tier 1.
It actually feels like semi-bad Elves, not bad Gifts, with a decent chance of a turn 2 Iona. Most other times you just jam dinky elves, with the 2 combo pieces being not half bad in tandem with the rest of the deck. As far as the cheatyface cards go Iona is a dead draw, but the others I've mentioned can either be hardcast or pitched to cast raptors.

There's a ~1/4 chance of getting a t2 monster into play, the rest of the hands feels like elves.

>>48191420
New Eldrazi are weak. But even werewolves would be good if you could cast them all for half their cost or the weaker ones for free.

>>48198179
Tks and smasher are very strong. You'd be insane to think otherwise

>>48198179
I don't know... TKS is even by-itself a pretty strong card.

>>48198179
Thought Nazi and Anus Smasher are pretty legit you know.

>>48195444
So what if I made rw tokens?
I'm basically looking to expand my collection and at the sMw time build a deck I wouldn't be embarrassed to bring to fnm.
The list
4 bolt
4 Boros charm
4 paths
3 helix
4 massive raid
3 intangible virtue
4 young p
4 spectral procession
4 raise the alarm
4 midnight haunting

>>48191890

Vexing devil is good though

>>48198336
it really isn't

>>48198336
Anon... I'm sorry I have to be the one to tell you. That card sucks

>>48192524

>literal retard bragging about how he's going to beat noobs
>can't even read blackcleave cliffs card text

>>48198250
>>48198272
>>48198290
TKS alone does not make a deck, the fact that the deck died after the ban proves that.

>>48198397
Bant eldrazi is a real deck though

>>48198329
I'll never understand people who don't run intangible virtue as a 4 of for token decks. It's mind boggling. If I were you and if you have fetches, I'd remove midnight haunting, add a single or maybe two godless shrines and add 4 Lingering Souls instead.

I've tried Pyro but he always removal so keep that in mind

>>48193098
I'm going to try Grim Flayer in Jund, it seems like a win more card though.

>>48198509
I haven't seen any eldrazi variants doing well. The only ones I have seen walking around these days are TKS, Smasher and Displacer, but none in decks topping championships.
Not that it is much of a point, but none of them are being used because they are eldrazi, they could be Fish Wizards and it wouldn't make a difference in their current usage.

Anyone have the flow chart?

>>48198642
Bw tokens I do run 4 of but I thought with this it the extra burn would be nice. I have marsh flats and godless shrine available but I won't reliably hit the black mana I think.

>>48198642
I'm cautious about young p myself and might trade him out for brimaz.

>>48193098
I've always liked Celestial Flare sideboard against Infect, might try out Blessed Alliance since it could do double duty as another card against burn.

>>48198798
If I were you, I'd run purphoros or impact tremors over massive raid as it relies on you having a board state and if you don't, it's a dead card or a shitty one if you have 1 or 2 tokens. If you have the fetches to get something white, I'd try out the shrine. Flashback is worth it imo. Especially when your board has nothing going for it. Also, run 4 intangible. It really sucks when you have a game and you don't draw a single anthem.

>>48198828
Brimaz is cool but Hero of Bladehold is better (only as a sideboard option). You want your opponent side out their main deck removal as its mostly useless against tokens then you can side in Hero and have it possibly be able to attack at least once. I've tried maining both and it sucks wasting a turn

>>48198717
Mostly because of Eldrazi Temple.
It seems pretty strong still, matter reshaper, tks and smasher are all so pushed, and you get access to ancient stirrings and path to exile, with countermagic and white in the sb.
It's at least tier 2.

>>48193098
Really disappointed by the first Bant planeswalker.

Guys I need some quick advice. I'm super close to getting jeskai nahiri done. Literally all I'm missing is the playset of scalding tarns. I already got 4 flooded strands and 1 arid mesa. What's a good enough combination of khan fetches to replace the 4 tarns?

>>48199237
Goes without saying this is just to hold me over until I get the tarns

>>48199014
>>48198976
Ok. Ive added hero into the side board and changed the mana so I have 4 marsh flats and 4 godless shrine. I feel like auriok could fit in the sideboard too.

Im running 23 lands. Or should it be 24?

>>48199032
I haven't seen Reshaper around. The thing is that the new eldrazis aren't that great, they are just good cards that had broken support.

>>48199287
What could we replace young p with?

>>48199237
what does your manabase look like bruh?

>>48199142
Jam it in a list and try it first.
It's a lot of hidden power, it can cantrip and the minus is pretty good.

Though I'm personally a fan of Whirler Rogue in the 4drop slot
>literally P&K
>ability to help KotR and Goyf slip through
You can argue which ability is better but P&K's ability often goes unused, the bodies are what really counts (and bant has no red)

>>48198367
Assuming the guy is on the play, it would be the turn after the "T3 Thalia". This would be T4, where the Cliffs enters tapped anyway.

Stop posting please. Not asking you to leave, you can read posts as much as you want. Just don't waste posts and don't make people waste posts.

>>48199294
They still have support in the form of Stirrings+Temple. Now they run Nobles and Paths.
The eldrazi are pretty pushed though, even something as innocuous as matter reshaper, the card is pretty nuts.

With either 2 temples or a noble+temple you can jam a t2 thoughtknot.
even a noble and two non-temples is a turn 2 matter reshaper, that swings for 4 and cantrips when killed.

>>48199340
On phone so gotta type it out. 4 colonades, 2 hallowed fountains, 1 sacred foundry, 2 steam vents, 2 sulfur falls, 4 flooded strands, 1 arid mesa, 1 desolate light house 1 glacial fortress a one number of basics, 7 or 8 in total. The exact numbers are fuzzy but this is the general just of it.

>>48199340
4 marsh flats
3 godless shrine
4 arid mesa
3 sacred foundry
4 cliff top rtrt
3 sacred foundry
1 swamp 1 mountain 3 plains

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I have always wanted a playset of Blood Moons and Magus of the Moon. Well, today I got them

My meta has some of the greediest mana bases ever.

What should I build with my 8 moons?

>inb4 Blue Moon

No more blue for awhile. I have been playing Mono Blue Tempo for months and my shop hates Boomerang as much as they hate me.

>>48199294
I mean... TKS and Smasher are some of the best creatures ever printed as far as Stompy creatures go. They require limits on deck construction but the pay-off is certainly there.

>>48199463
Turbo blood moon with rituals and shit, the list I remember had SSG and maybe chalice?

>>48199341
>t1 mana dork
>t2 saint traft/KotR
>t3 p&krogue, tap thopters and send in unblockable exalted
Tempo town

>>48199463
Snow red control or Snow red valakut

>>48199522
The deck limits are almost pure upside.
You get cavern of souls, eldrazi temple, ancient stirrings. Eldrazi is a type of zoo with some fairly nut draws and plays much differently than gruul buckwhacker zoo decks, it has more interaction and inevitablility compared to burstier creature decks (merfolk for example is bursty, less so than whacker decks, but reaches critical mass at turn 4. elves can dump their whole hand turn 2, or reach critical mass reliant on ezuri on turn 4)

>>48199717
>Snow red valakut
Putting valakut in skred is not a deck. It's also stupid.

>>48199717
>valakut with blood moons
Genius

>>48199433
from the looks of it Windswept Heaths should do you good for now. Steam vents can be fetched by Mesas and Strands, and Heaths will be able to fetch your Fountains and Foundry. You could also run Polluted Deltas, as they fetch both your Fountains and your steam vents.

In the end it boils down to what kind of land do you need most, do you want to get your Plains, Mountains or Islands out quickest?

>>48199443
You're the Mardu tokens guy right? My advice is cut 2 Retreats, for 2 Bloodstained Mires. 10 fetches is what I run in Naya Burn and it works very nicely. I don't doubt it'll work great for you too. Maybe cut a foundry and a shrine in order to up it to 12 fetches, be a real madman. Post your full decklist on tappedout or something so I can get a better idea o your curve.

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>>48199463
Play Skerd Red bruh. And make sure to run Blasphemous Act for that sweet synergy with your Boros Reckoners. Pic related also looks like it'll be dank as fuck.

>>48200013
Stop. These are horrible ideas

>>48200013
This card seems bad. Why would you play this over supreme verdict, wrath of god, or damnation?

>>48200216
because those aren't mono-red

>>48200216
...because skred is a mono red deck and thus can't play any of those?

>>48200328
>>48200320
Lightning bolt is still a card as well. It does the job of killing planeswalkers and single creatures without having to discard cards. Plus, outside of trying to build a deck around this card, what modern playable cards are worth discarding to make this useful? I'd even go as far as to say splashing for white and playing wrath of god is a better alternative to this card.

>>48200383
Are you retarded. The point of MONORED skred is to be MONORED. Maybe now with that new red cuise demon, it can now act as a missile too for kitting reckoner and more.

>>48200439
I see that card as so bad that it would be better to actively change the deck than to play it if you wanted a similar boardwipe effect than to play it: its not good, but its still better than playing that terrible card. Literally every effect of this card is done better by a different card.

>>48200383
You don't run fetches in skred, retard. Which is why the deck is mono red. Learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth like a big retard.

>>48200527
>ITT people who miss the point
It doesn't matter how bad running plains and mountains is. Its still better than using that card.

>>48200519
>Literally every effect of this card is done better by a different card.
I don't like Nahiri's Wrath, but this is objectively false. This card essentially works like Comet Storm only it cant hit players and requires you to pitch your hand. It CAN do shitloads more damage Comet Storm depending on what you discard and it will always cost less mana. The point is that Skred runs 4 Boros Reckoner, dropping this and discarding a few cards could easily be letahal damage.

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>>48200648
But then cards like this exist which are much better are dealing with a large group of big minions or pyroclasm which deals with small minions. The only plus side is that it doesn't hit your own creatures, but that doesn't mean much when you have to discard a lot of cards to get a decent effect, and even then, that effect will always give you card disadvantage. Its always an effective 2 for 1, 3 for 2, etc in their favor where this card here can atleast be used to give you net card advantage on a big board.

The boros interaction is cute, but its terrible value and if you play a deck that doesn't care about value, you already have cards that can win the game faster. I don't see how playing boros + nahiri's wrath + big CMC card is better than just playing Naya Burn and winning on turn 4 regardless without the risk of getting boros removed or your wrath countered. Hell ad nauseam combo does effectively the same thing for 2 more mana except is instant speed, doesn't require you to have a creature survive for a turn, only requires two cards, doesn't require cards that are dead outside of the combo, and actually does over 20 points of damage.

>>48194563

You play around force of will by thinking about how many cards your opponent has in hand, how many are likely to be lands (and therefore not blue), and what nonblue spells they might have in hand (for instance you can assume they don't have a lightning bolt or swords to Plowshares if they missed an opening where they almost certainly would've used it to kill your young pyromancer for instance)

Also legacy runs plenty of peek effects to scour for whatever, often force of will

>>48200772
You simply are not getting it. You pay 3 mana, discard your hand, target reckoner, redirect to opponent.

Regardless of whether or not it is shit, you just don't seem to be getting what they're saying.

>>48200982
Don't bother man, that post is literally

>How do I into 0-mana Counterspells

Playing around just Force is easy enough for anyone that has clocked in their time in either Legacy or Vintage. It's when you have to play around Misstep, Force, Misdirection, and Mindbreak Trap at the same time that shit becomes iffy.

It's not even that hard to bait out a FoW in Legacy.

>>48201165
>counterspell
Oops you lose the game on the spot
>boros removed
Oops, there goes your combo.

Why even play that over ad nauseam again? Ad nauseam does the exact same thing except is much more resilient to hate and can do over 20 damage without having to dedicate several expensive cards strictly for the combo.

The average CMC for typical skred decks is 2.5, so discarding 6 cards would only deal 15 damage on average as well as destroying your boros reckoner.

I mean, I go over this interaction in the second half of that post. Its at best a combo piece that is garbage outside its combo and is extremely susceptible to hate and is completely outclassed by a different combo.

>>48201273
Reckoner is out.
You cast this on it

Still there?

Redirect.
Damage.

>>48201316
In response, I cast path to exile on the reckoner, leaving you with an empty hand and no way to win the game. I reference the redirect damage combo several times in my last two posts, its not good at all.

>>48191129
>How long have you been playing Modern?
Around a year now

>What are you playing and why?
Playing Infect mostly since its the 2nd deck that I built after playing Burn. Also its pretty consistent, even if removal heavy decks are a pain to face against.

>Any EMN card that could slot in your deck?
No cards in this set, but Oath gave us a great cantrip.

>What EMN card(s) do you feel will be big in Modern?

Eldritch Evolution is basically the second coming of Pod.
Probably some of the Spirits and/or Zombie cards for their own Tribal decks.
Also some talk if other possibly breakable cards like Deploy the Gatewatch and Nahiri's Wrath

This general is almost tripfag free

We're so close to purity

>>48201273
>Why even play that over ad nauseam again?
because Ad Nauseam is a boring uninteractive deck that only gay homos play.

>>48201340
>lol it dies to removal
nice meme broseph

>>48201397
Its not a meme when you literally discard your entire hand just to have to have the combo piece removed or the wrath countered. Thats a literal you lose the game situation. Literally every color except mono green has an answer to it: blue has counters, red has bolt, white has path to exile, black green has abrupt decay, mono black, if anyone even plays it has dismember and go for the throat.

As for Ad Nauseam, it's because its a directly better combo than what you are trying to achieve here which means there is no point in playing a worse version of an existing deck.

>>48201453
You seem to be new here friend. The posts you're replying to; we call them bait.

It would be better not to respond.

>>48194716
>>48194755
>>48194915
>>48194870

Please don't bother, it is clear he doesn't understand FoW's cost.

>>48200013
>>48201364
>bolt
>helix
>boros charm
>soulfire
>reckoner
>nahiris wrath
>blasphemous act
>emrakul
>nahiri

>>48201526
Wtf go back to smash general

I really don't know where to ask this question so...

I'm building a Pauper's blue/red tron deck. Is there a good substitute for 4x Sea Gate Oracle in the deck?

>>48201589
That sounds pretty gross anon-kun

>>48201657
>add moons/dec in stone
>add through the breach
Somebody johnny this thing

Anyone here think that Eldritch Allosaurus Elves has any promise as a real deck in the format?

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>>48201613
Fucking why? Not like those cost anything

>>48201758
>Allosaurus
No. There are better ways to cheat huge shit into play.

>>48201773
my local card shop doesn't have any

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>>48201758
No.
The Allosarus meme is really bad, you are 3 for 1ing yourself and if what you play isn't hexproof, or your opponent had a counterspell, well then you just went and let your opponent win right there.
Pic related is much better for accomplishing what you are trying to do and even then its still bad.

>>48201613
Cycle lands?

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>>48201814
>>48201786
>/vg/ thinks something is bad

Okay, so it's most likely the next tier one deck then, got it. I'll get my playset of riders ordered

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It's shitbrew time

>>48202062
three blood moons in a tricolor deck? How is that working for you?

>>48202062
That is one pile of cards anon

at least put in the fourth snapcaster so you actually have some amount of value plays with your Kiki Jikis

>>48201917
>3 for 1ing yourself

sure, after you 1 for 4-3 yourself off of a Lead the Stampede

What should a fish sideboard look like going into a blind meta? Currently, I have:

>Tidebinder Mage x1 (2 main)
>Hurkyls Recall x4
>Ghost Quarter x2
>Gutshot x2
>Relic of Prog x2
>Spellskite x2
>Kira x1 (2 main)
>Flex

I'm not sure what the last one should be. I'm thinking Dismember #3, Vapor Snag #3, Gutshot #3, or Spell Pierce #1. I don't have chalice yet, or I'd honestly run 3 Chalice SB.

>>48202062
I'll show you how to shitbrew anon

4x Utopia sprawl
2x Abundant growth
4x Garruk
4x Enchantress
4x Eidolon of blossoms
3x Herald of the pantheon
2x Silkwrap
4x Oblivion ring
3x Sigil of the empty throne
4x Ghostly prison
4x Courser of cruphix
20 something or another lands

It's really fun

>>48200519
Do you know what the Skred Red deck does or what Boros Reckoner does or how the new mythic interacts with that?

Spoilers, it's not a boardwipe retard.

>>48202613
Please try to read the reply chain all the way through.

>>48202661
The "cute" Reckoner interaction is the point of the deck and the reason it is called Skred Red and not Bolt Moon Goblin Guide Red.

If you don't think discarding a card to attempt to win the game (especially something like Blasphemous Act which can be worthless in countless board states) isn't a good deal then you've clearly never cast a Force of Will.

>>48202708
>The "cute" Reckoner interaction is the point of the deck
No. The point of the deck is to prey on the multiple greedy goodstuff decks and linear creature decks that populate modern.
The interaction is nice but many lists forgo reckoner altogether.

>>48202708
I'd say bringing in Blasphemous Act just to use it with Wrath is a mistake as an otherwise control deck doesn't want cards that are dead outside of a niche combo, this ignores that Wrath is often a dead card as well. The other option of discarding your hand just risks losing the game to any removal spell. If you really want a combo like this, just play ad nauseam.

>>48202708
>The "cute" Reckoner interaction is the point of the deck and the reason it is called Skred Red and not Bolt Moon Goblin Guide Red.
If you really think this then there's no hope for you. The deck is called Skred because it's a unique card that only that deck can use. Some of the most successful Skred lists don't even run Reckoner because it's a fairly weak creature even with all the synergy.

>>48193098
Bedlam Reveler definitely has potential in some kind of Delver list. Probably alongside Curious Homunculus. I could even see Reveler go in a Burn list.

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how do the new options match up to the old /tg/?

Sadly the more you run the less good your spells become. Need to figure out which get in included and which get left behind.

Anyone have that Spirit deck that tg was brewing a few months ago? Would be much appreciated.

>>48203712
x4 Snap
x4 Delver
x2 Bedlam
x3 Homunc

Is what I'm going to be trying out for UR. I just don't think Young Peezy is that great without the busted old cantrips and Time Walk. TiTi is memes incarnate.

Both of the new cards are really busted when they work, the pay-off is just huge. I mean, who doesn't want to turn their Dismember into 0-mana. Considering you can also save a ton of potential mana by simply not having to leave as much un-tapped... it's gotta be good.

Reveler is just pure gas but I can see it being clunky with like 4 copies.

>>48203712
>>48203839
Humonc only adds and reduces colorless though. How many delver decks run colorless in the mana cost of spells?
Titi is cool but he contradicts ypeezy. No humonc, 1-2 bedlam, 4 delver, 2-4 snap, swiftspear is cool, and go either peezy or titi

>>48203858
>>48203839
Personally I was thinking about running Think Twice with the full 4 Homonc since it makes the cost reduction far more relevant.

>>48203712
Titty monster is kinda slow and has anti-synergy with Pyromancer, Delver and Curious Homie

I think Reveler is great in URx (provided it isn't control) as is Curious Homunculus. They both have good synergy and have very similar abilities.

I would almost consider not running snaps that way my grave stays fairly big. Maybe make some deck really simmilar to those all in Kiln Fiend decks.
>Temur battle rage's ferocious trigger will activate thanks to prowess.
Its very janky, but I like janky

>>48203858
It depends a lot on the list but I think it opens up a lot of possibilities, Mana Leak for example looks a lot better when it's just U. Same with Remand, Hurkyl's, and Electrolyze.

I mean with something like Nolan's list, it's obviously a lot less impactful, but it's another direction you can take with the deck.

Also; a 3/4 Prowess beatstick is pretty friggin good. I hate to be that guy but not dying to Bolt is a big deal.

>>48203712
>Bedlam Reveler
2x
You don't want to see it in your opener

Curious Homonculus
I don't see this being good in a Delver shell, only taps for colorless and reduces by one colorless, Delver doesn't have a ton of colorless symbols. That being said it's still a 3/4 Prowess for 2

>TiTi
Pure memes

Snap
3-4

Delver
4

Pyromancer
1-2

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pls h8

>>48203712
I think young pyro gets left behind. Hes good in Legacy where you have better cantrips and free counters like Force andDaze to help build up an army of tokens, he also synchs with Cabal Therapy. Hes not so good in modern hes just too slow. I also think Snap gets left behind but thats just because of his bad interaction with Bedlam Reveler. I think the deck goes straight UR with free spells like G probe and Disrupting Shoal
Not sure where the Prowess beaters like Swiftspear and Stormchaser go though.

Oh also TiTi isnt good in a Delver shell. You dont want to spam spells to flip him and you dont want to return flipped Delvers and Homunculuses to hand

>>48203584
Ive tested Reveler out in Burn replacing Grim Lavamancer as a two of. Hes far too slow. Hes slightly anti synergistic tooas your main strategy with Burn is to drop your creatures as fast as possible. Going in with Goblin Guides and Swiftspears and saving Bolts and other instant and sorcery burn spells for later. by the time your graveyard has 6 instant and sorceries in it you should have already won the game.

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I'm not saying reveler is a good card but I'm interested how he performs in the sideboard.
Midrange is a rough matchup. I usually run out of gas with just a small bit of damage left to push through and it would be nice if he helped out.

I have a huntmaster/moon package plus 1 basic mountain in the side I can transform the deck with so getting the double red won't be an issue.

Would most likely have to side out a couple monkeys as not to delve everything away.

>>48204399
RUG Delver? Sweet
If only Nimble Mongoose was in Modern

>>48204399
1 more land won't magically make you able to drop Huntmaster on turn 4 when you only have 17 in the main.

The main problem with Curious Memunculus is that without Thought Scour and Probe it's basically impossible to get the trigger on turn 3. This then means that you can't play a Delver on turn 1 because you needed to Thought Scour with that mana.

>>48202435
Shitbrew you say?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-new-fortress-in-town/

>>48205081
Any reason you aren't running Doran the Meme Tower?

>>48205129
A) tricolor with no desire to go 4 color
B) doran is not a defender
C) [] I have, I really like defenders. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ayli-backed-up-against-a-wall/ []

>>48205081
If you want to go absolute madman, add Alesha.

>>48205286
>If you want to go absolute madman, add Alesha.
Alesha being the most vulnerable thing in the deck by a mile sorta ruins it. She dies to MY pyroclasms.

I admire your spunk tho!

Sorry for a long post but I'd really appreciate some help.

I'm thinking about starting MtG, and recently decided that I'll start off with Modern because there seem to be more modern 'tournaments' near me and overall the fact that the cards wont rotate out is more suitable for me. Can any of you help me out with a deck to start off with?

As in experience, I played Yu-gi-oh for 6 years in semi-competetive level, but I quitted back in 2013. I've also played Hearthstone on and off for few years, and mostly enjoyed playing various combo/otk decks and burn decks (but not aggro), such as Patron Warrior and Freeze Mage. I peaked at Legend when I tried grinding but took it more casually when the next season started. Basically what I'm saying is that I'm somewhat experienced in tcg/ocgs so I'm comfortable with starting with more complicating decks.

I've done some research and I really liked some Prowess OTKs and overall burn decks. Are these 'archetypes' viable, as in can average player get around 50%~ winrate with these? I'm not planning on going professional or anything but I prefer decks which I can play on tournaments without dropping on first round most of the time.

I generally prefer making my own decks but I've always found it easier to start a new game with a viable deck and then changing it with personal preferences as I get more experienced, could any of you either link or 'construct' me some sample decks for some OTK/Burn deck? Preferably $250 or less.

Thanks in advance.

>>48205406
Burn is one of the strongest deck in the format but you won't be able to put together a top tier deck for less than 250 bucks
You could start with mono red burn

>>48205406
If an average player could get a 50% win rate with a deck, it'd be banned.

>>48204845
>11 cantrips
I think he'll be ok.

>>48205439
That's a meta-dependent claim, if not a completely absurd one. I'll take Jund for $200 Alex.

>>48205448
Cantripping is losing tempo.

>>48205406
>>48205415

As this Anon pointed out, Burn is one of the best decks in the format, though I'm not sure it's exactly what you are looking for as it's both a very simple deck and is at it's core an aggro deck.

You could try out Ad Nauseam which is the best Combo deck in the format and relatively affordable at ~600$ (Most of the price is in the Lands).

>>48205450
>Jund

If Jund did anything that WotC considered 'Unfair' at it's current win-rate it would have something from it's decklist banned. The fact that it plays such a fucking boring, standard-style of Magic is the only reason it's allowed to be this good.

>>48205478
...and it has favorable match ups against just over 50% of the field. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

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This card is giving me the shitbrew cravings
This is true love we're making

>>48205526
I'm not the guy you were responding to, I just can't pass up the opportunity to call Jund a boring fucking deck that embodies everything I hate about MTG development.

To clarify though. If Jund was a Combo deck that had at worst a 45% match-up against the entire field, it would have a ban targeted at it.

>>48205649
He symbiotic with goyf so there is that and the scry 3

>>48205649
Haha I thought it said top 4 cards. This shit is even worse than I thought.

>>48205478
>>48205659
ah, okay I see where I fucked up, that seems accurate to me
I still rather play against Jund than Storm in any format besides limited

>>48205709
>I still rather play against Jund than Storm in any format besides limited
Sure, that seems about ri-
>Modern General
Haha you're a fucking retard.

>>48205722
You think that's retarded you should see my deck.

>>48205725
Let me guess you have a special secret Storm deck that can win through disruption and counterspells.

>>48198329

I'll give you some advice when brewing or tweaking decks.

Never make a worse version of a deck that already exists. Trying to brew a RW tokens list is like halfway going into Burn or a Jeskai control deck and those decks are stronger than what you are trying to do.

The biggest weakness when playing BW Tokens is Tron decks when they slap down an Ugin and exile your entire threatbase for x = 0. So if they do splash into R it's usually for Crumble to Dust or Blood Moon(sometimes Magus) but that's it. That matchup is something you have to absolutely race and you have to disrupt their deck long enough to beat down with your tokens. If you want to play a Young Pyro deck then play it in a Jeskai or Grixis control deck. Young Pyro thrives off the cheap red and blue spells in the format so those are usually the best shells for that card.

>>48205739
>disruption and counterspells
lol no it's a Bant Bogles deck that can win through disruption and counterspells by running disruption and counterspells

>>48205752
So basically you're playing the biggest pile of uninteractive cancer in the format.

>>48205756
Modern general: we hate interactive decks and we have non interactive decks

>>48205756
Basically, yeah. Who want to play Magic when you can Stubborn Denial tapouts for Lili and watch people's heads explode?

>>48205756

Not the same guy but lets be honest, about 70% of most decks in the format start like this game 1 and then only really interact game 2 and game 3.

>>48205415
>>48205466

Got it, seems like I'm taking the OTK route instead, can you suggest any?

>>48205873
>OTK
Nigger this isn't Yugioh or Pokemon.

>>48205873
Look into Ad Nauseam and Grishoalbrand

>>48205873
Grishoalbrand
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/599726-grishoalbrand-griselbrand-reanimator

>>48205907
It's hard to get angry with that deck. It's too timmy to be considered a pure spike combo deck.

>>48205961
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to be angry with a deck that chooses to include Worldspine Wurm and Borborygmos Enraged in a serious manner.

>>48205897
>>48205907

Cheers, I'll check these out

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Need a cheap Spike deck I can upgrade along the way to make good.

Infect? Boggles? Dredge?

I need something with staying power since I'd be turning this into a good deck over time (really limited funds).

Please help, I love you.

>>48206239
>>48206239
>>48206239
New thread.

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Will she make an appearance in Modern?

>>48205659
Jund has has earned itself several bannings and the deck is still as bullshit as ever.

>>48205772
Makes you almost miss twin huh