EDH/Commander General

do any of the old theme decks have anything worthwhile for edh?

>>48118792
What do you mean by theme decks? Precons? Old commander products?

>>48118792
uh...like, the old precon 60-card decks? or do you mean things like duel decks?

>stax meme

better break out the Narset :^)

>>48118815
>>48118822
like the old ass precons

>>48118556
reposting from other thread:

I'm not a huge fan of upheaval because it has no answers unless you're also playing blue, and adds a huge degree of power to a color that already has too much

I prefer the balance and limited resources over MLD because they at least leave some resources on the board, allowing opponents to have answers/additional plays

if the only answer that you have to a card is "just counter it" then it is too strong IMO. not everyone wants to play U

>>48118736
Jesus that guy's gross

>>48118882
uuuuuuuuh

just look at the decklists m8 they're all on the archive or sommat

for the most part they're shit though, and the ones that have good stuff are expensive as hell

>>48118870
I made a Narset player scoop to a Mana Tithe once with my Hokori deck

Felt wonderful

>>48119053
The majority were awful and have 0 value in them. Any of them that had value you likely won't be able to find for a decent price. Just get singles.

Time to be gross and build sedris infinite mana.

How to build hokori i want to play the archenemy no holes barred.

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Going straight into both Liliana and Gisa. Holy fuck I love this card.

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What does your playgroup look like?

Pic related is the decks we have played with for a while and are the most common.
>MB Uses a Brago deck depending on how he feels.
>TL Has an Archangel Avacyn.
>MD Has whatever silly shit he feels like making five minutes before a game.

We sometimes have other randomish people who come into the store and will play with us.
>Teysa, Orzhov Scion
>Mizzix
>Yeva
>Alesha
>Skithiryx
>Keranos

I myself play in player run tournaments and see a variety of decks, most of the time it is the same people.
>Zur
>Narset x2
>Nekuzar
>Maelstrom
>Damia

I am up for answering any questions.

>>48120098
>empty the pits for 9. set aside the 9 zombies to be perpetual 3 extra cards a turn
man when black gets card draw they can get some card draw. Load that into a deck with life from the loam and zombie infestation and laugh as you drown the world in zombies.

>>48120234

Empty the pits? That's the best you can do for 22 mana, or were you going to also Bog yourself? How about Underneath the Floorboards? Discard get a token, madness, get more and some life, too. Sadly, they all etb tapped, like most overflowing zombie spells. Hell, I'd rather use Army of the Damned than use Empty the Pits.

Or

I could just use Gisa with Phyrexian Dreadnaught.

Are mono color decks bound to be shit?

Can you actually make a mono colored EDH deck work and be able to win pretty often?

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>this

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>>48120389
>plus this

Wew

>>48120365
Mono white and red suck. Mono green, black, and blue are fine.

>>48120401

>tfw wanted to make a Kazuul deck

Well shit

I have a problem. I desperately need ways to flicker or otherwise reuse enter the battle field effects, in green black or colorless. I got conjurerors closet, roaring primadox, and I fear that's it.

Tell me there's hope.

>>48120440
>green
>black
>colorless
What you do is kill your own shit and reanimate it with Maren.

>>48120440
Sacrifice and reanimate?

>>48120458
Oh. Well I feel stupid, I forgot that whole schtick.

>>48120440
You sacrifice your creatures (ex: Ashnod's Altar), bring them back to your hand (ex: phyrexian reclamation), then cast them again using the massive mana you are generating as GB (ex: cabal coffers).

>>48120440
Temur Sabretooth
Mimic Vat
Cloudstone Curio
Deadeye Navigator
Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle
Voyager Staff

>>48120490
Don't worry, I did realize I seemed a bit dickish with how I responded.
Here are some real answers.

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>>48120440
Not really flicker but reusable, you will need to use the graveyard to return stuff in GB the only flicker abilities are in WU

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>>48120433
Mono-red control is pretty okay if you're willing to put in the utilities you need that red lacks. Y'know card draw, mana rocks, mana doublers, etc. Kazuul can work, anon. It just takes a bit of work.

>>48120513
Oh thanks man, these are great.

I have officially gotten my group to all hate my newzuri deck with a passion. I feel like I have succeeded in making a truly perfect commander deck

>>48120654
Link bro, mine doesnt do shit, i either get hatefucked off the table soon as they see um playing UG or i get durdled to death

Is magiccards.info dead?

>>48120568
Do you know of any list I could look into?

>>48120695
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-counters-of-progress-1/

Hopefully it can be of help to you. Quick edit was swapping a sylvan scrying for simic manipulator.

>>48120757
I have a list I've been working on for a week or so. It's not finished yet, but most of the pieces are there. You could probably springboard off this and EDHrec if you want.
Also, if anyone better at deck design than me has any input, that'd be great.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kazuul-test/

Flip Chandra or Ashling for mono red burn control?

>>48120793
My list is similar, i have a gocus on counterspells because ezuri dies the turn he his the table if i can counter everything or give him hexproof, perhaps more creatures with tokens is the way to go, thanks for the info ill try ot out

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The best commander

>>48118792
There was an old Kamigawa theme deck that had a Sensei's Top in it, but I don't know which one specifically.

>>48120947

ResidentSleeper

>>48120897
Either one would work desu but Flip Chandra seems more likely to have a target painted on her compared to ashling. If you really wanted to punish opponent's in an amusing way, try Zo-Zu

>>48120947
Originally bought one for use in my mimeoplasm deck and ended up switching it out when I pulled newlamog. But she still has a home in nekusar

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Has anyone used one of these to store their deck? It looks cheap and super durable.

>>48120897
Jaya

>>48120897

Burn control anon here

Ashling is strictly better because of how easy it is for her to clear the board, but Chandra can be a lot of fun.

>>48121011

>Flip Chandra more of a target than Ashling

You have no idea what you're talking about. Ashling can swing for commander damage or wipe out the board.

>>48121064

Jaya is also good. More spotty than Ashling, but suffers from being a spellshaper.

Jaya a fun!

F U N !

>>48121056
Just get an Ultra Pro satin tower, anon. Slightly cheap but sturdy and really good.

>>48121225
Jaya is great, nothing beats using her 'ultimate' with a scythe of the wretched equipped and stealing every creature on the board

>>48120098
I love me some good one drops. I really didn't expect to see something this good.
>>48120401
Don't underestimate red in this format. White though... White is a little special.

>>48121274

Ashling can do the same thing.

>>48121225
Ashling kills herself when she removes the counters, dumbshit. Unless you figured out the mono red way to make indestructible ashling and count on someone not running proper removal or some form of counterspells, ashling will work, but seriously ashling is shit

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>>48121292

There are several ways to keep her alive, but I'm going to assume you're only pretending to be retarded.

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>>48121319
Of course there are ways to keep her alive but you're the dumbshit for wanting to run a burn deck of all things in commander. If you manage to pull off a win I will be impressed but most metas will run you into the fucking ground

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Secret tek for teneb?

Deck is just Reanimator+Goodstuff

>>48121276
Mono white can play an interesting game with linvala or Tails, and in a 3 man pod pull off an aggro/voltron plan if (really) lucky

Red has the bonus of more virtual card draw/mana and haste effect which are powerful in edh, and hence more options if they don't go down the wrong oath

>>48121337

I've won many games with Ashling. It's amazing what a 2 mana commander can do.

What do you think is the best commander for for D A N K S T A X ? like the bird wizard or...

>>48121587
>I won many games

I have nothing to go on but your word and you act like a faggot so I'm going to disregard it

>>48121594

Probably bird slut or GaAIV

>>48121587
How does ashling actually win? Is there a combo or is it simply draw lands and kill her every turn for commander damage?

>>48121612

Whatever you say champ. I'm not going to convince you. You're the one sperging.

>>48121759

I usually use Grafted Exoskeleton and Glacial Chasm.

>>48121778
Wow yeah i can see how that can make a quick game

>>48121778
Those are some shitty wincons bro

>>48121873
I agree, hitting every player for 10 infect damage on t8 is pretty shit bro

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>>48121873
>inb4 this guy always has a t1 counter or stiffle or whatever blue disruption he starts every game with in his hand 100% of the time

>>48121056
Haven't tried the 110 version but I'd recommend the 150 count version especially if you plan on double sleeving. It can hold 100 sleeved cards no problem and 100 double sleeved cards snugly if you flatten all the air out of them (though to be fair different brands of sleeves have different thicknesses so beware). The nice thing about it other than the price is that it's compact and stackable.

The satin tower is also pretty good. It's definitely sturdier and more spacious. It has enough room for a double sleeved deck and token cards in addition to a bottom compartment for die and whatnot. Of course that means it takes up more space than the plastic box, not to mention that it's much easier to identify your decks with the plastic box since you can just put your commander in front.

I'd recommend the clear plastic box first if you're budget conscious and then to try the satin tower if you decide it's not enough.

>>48121056
>>48121267
I would not recommend the satin towers. There's a surprising lack of actual space, considering how tall they are, and the lid can be a bitch to get off. I've had mine for 2 years, and it still takes a decent bit of struggle to get the top off without using enough force to sling the cards across the room.

>>48122153
I love my satin towers, I actually have 6 of them, and I feel as if they're the sturdiest boxes you can buy for the price. They easily fit 100 double sleeved cards, and the dice compartment is nice at the bottom. It's like storing my deck in a brick. As long as you wiggle the lid back and forth while pulling open, it will click open easily. Can be a bit tricky, but that's the price you pay for the protection it gives.

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Post 'em

>>48122926
Keranos wincon is casting him and following with an Obliterate.

>>48120401
Purphoros can be really good if your playgroup generally has games go on too long, it puts a clock on the game and doesn't draw much h8

halp with goblins please?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chaotic-zerg-rush/

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>>48120219
Shameless stealing your format.

We play with some other regulars from our LGS, but it's pretty rare, as we like to settle at one's home with drinks and play all night. 4th player absence is pretty sad, but we know enough players to be 4-6 each time.

>>48123127
>doesn't draw much h8
>Purphoros the OTK machine for everyone on the table

Literally wot.

Suggestions for artifact/enchantment destruction in Prossh? I have decimate and hull breach so far, and I'm undecided on what else.
(I do have a creeping corrosion and wave of vitriol coming in the mail)

>>48123128
Cut the lelrandum shit. You'll never get to seven mana anyways. Then cut the more expensive goblins. Now add haste enablers (anger, swiftfoot, greaves, think you missed a goblin or two) and ways to untap krenko (thousand year elixir, puppet strings). Zada doesn't do much here, same with staff of the flame magus, leyline of punishment, the dragons, sin prodder. Consider Eldrazi Monument, insane advantage and you'll never run low on willing sacrifices.

>>48123244
ok ty

>>48120098
I need this

>>48122153
I've never had that problem with mine. And as >>48122560 says, the dice compartment is pretty nice and it is easy to open yet it never dislodges by itself as well.

>>48123244
>You'll never get to seven mana anyways
But why

>>48123171
>Rafiq of the Many
>Harem Voltron
My sides

>>48123630
Because you'll have a swarm of fucking goblins? But you're right, expect people to do their best to mess with your plans, in which playing overcosted chaos effects is still not recommended. Instead I would take ways to protect Krenko, ensure his ability activates often, and artifact ramp.

Who's the best commander for a creatureless deck?

>>48123715
Mizzix, probably.

>>48123715
Keranos if you want the commander to be resilient on his own

>>48123715
Child of Alara
Anything white for ALL THE WRATHS

>>48123715
Mizzix/Melek for spellslinger. If you don't care about turning other stuff into critters, Sydri and I used to have a 5color enchantress with progenitus at the helm. Mainly to use all good overcosted enchantments with Starfield of Nyx.

Wanted to make a fight club deck full of werewolves and fight effects, is it possible?

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I want to put this in something, but I don't know what

>>48124172
Runic Thar and 99 permanents. Unless you add that one sorcery, off course.

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BG spider legend that can win at instant speed with infinite mana.

>>48124172
Personally I can't stand that card (it was houserule-banned in our group for a long while) because it slows games to a screeching halt.

>>48124172

Teferi

>>48124309
Which one?

>>48124426
OG Teferi. Since he shuts down casting spells outside of "during your main phase with an empty stack" for your opponents, it's a soft lock with Omen Machine since they'll never draw another card but they can't cast whatever card Omen Machine finds (but you can)

>>48124426

Really? One of them untaps things and the other prevents people from casting spells.

>>48118736
What are the essential stax cards/colours/commamders? Is blue a good stax colour?

>>48124451
Thanks
>>48124468
I didn't know, I don't play a lot of blue

>>48123632
Yeah, he had to much fun with that

>>48123715
Narset, Zur or Mizzix maybe

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Golgari got a dudder.

>>48118792
the Kahlia deck is very strong and only needs a few changes to be competitive

>>48124657
I like it. But mythic? The only reason for this rarity is for limited, right?

>>48124686
I don't really see why it wouldn't be fine as a rare.

>>48124686
Yeah. Putrid Leech was fucking scary back in the day, so I imagine they wanted to avoid too many copies of a Leech that doesn't require 2 life a turn to be kicking around

>>48123244
What are some other good haste enablers in w/b/r ?
Besides the ones you mentioned Fevor only comes to mind

>>48124657
>Wizards jewing again
BRAVO
R
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V
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>>48124474
UW is good. GAA4 is one of the best commanders in the format

Well, I didn't get fired over getting my work laptop stolen.

So, now I can start the process of getting back all my stuff. All 10 of my EDH decks are gone. My binder (which had a lot of my expensive stuff) and a few boxes of stuff I got specifically for EDH and all my expensive EMA pulls are gone.

What do I do? Rebuild just one of my old decks? Start fresh and build a new deck? Quit EDH period?

>>48124733
Mass Hysteria

So for those of you who play stax in EDH, what are your favorite stax decks to actually play? Which ones do you think are actually good/the best?

>>48124754
what happened?

>>48124754
>what do I do?
QUIT LEAVING YOUR SHIT IN YOUR CAR

>>48120947
She was fun in block... because... Painter's Servant was a thing (The scarecrow with "
As Painter's Servant enters the battlefield, choose a color.
All cards that aren't on the battlefield, spells, and permanents are the chosen color in addition to their other colors.")

>>48124711
probably the combination of the trample and the deck fixing.

>want to build 3-color
>don't have a gorillion dollars to spend on mana base/fixing
>don't even know who to build
Fugg

>>48124766
>>48124775
Yup. Correct.

>>48124754
If you wanna just throw something together that works, omnath is absurdly powerful for its cheap cheap price.

>>48124790
If you play casually you don't need a bagillion dollars for a mana base, just use the ghetto options. you will be a a turn or half a turn slower on average but in most casual games that doesn't matter cause no one does anything before turn 4 or 5 anyway.

>>48124799
Eh. None of my decks were more than 200 bucks. Any deck I build will be pretty cheap. I'm not a power gamer.

>>48124790
Include green in your 3 colors. Rampant Growth and Kodama's Reach effects make a basic heavy manabase pretty doable, even in tricolor.

>>48124795
damn that's terrible, will you get any money from insurance?

>>48124172
Ok... Artifact deck with Sands of Time, Stuffy Doll and Pariah effect cards.... maybe Bubble matrix? Maybe add Peacekeeper to piss people off even more. You'll be dropping cards that are indestructable damage reflectors, that stop all creatures from attacking or that keep inverting the tap/untap phases.

Not sure that it'll ever win, but you might melt a few brains as people try to keep up with it.

>>48124230
Was just about to ask about a ruric thar deck. How clowny is that creature on a scale of 1-10, and how viable is he (if you make a 99 creature deck or whateever)?

>>48124832
Yeah I was thinking of Shattergang or Doran. Doran just looks so silly and might be a hit with my group. But Sedris looks fucking radical

>>48124790
Honestly, while having the money to throw at fixing is a boon, you CAN play 3 color on a budget. Most of the decks in my group were 3 colors when we started about 6 months before the first precons, and the most we had was a couple of ZEN fetches (with no shocks or duals to find). It's doable, just less consistent.

>>48124835
Likely he won't. My cards are covered by my Homeowner's Insurance, but only up to a 500 dollar payout. To get approval for more than that, I have to pay for a separate rider policy every month and maintain an itemized list of what all I have.

>>48124835
Discussed it, the deductible makes it not worth it via car insurance. Got the window fixed already for 200 bucks.

And honestly, if I wanted to, I could literally go and buy every card that was stolen. But it just seems like a waste. That Karn I pulled from a NPH pack. That Ugin's Fate Mastery of the Unseen I traded for. That Force, that Karakas that I pulled from a EMA box.

Ugh. I think I'm just gonna try to get a good version of each of my lists and then do a bulk order online on my birthday or something. I don't need any of the cards in my binder.

>>48124909
Yeah, exactly. That's what I heard from Homeowners.

The sad thing is I drove down to another card shop that day and bought a buttload of jank finally that totaled up to 140 bucks. I was so excited. Mostly snow mountains.

Oh fuck. My black on black flip Chandra. I got her for 50 bucks. She's gone.

Ugh. All those fucking things are probably in a ditch somewhere.

I'm just getting into mtg and I've made a shopping list of some commons and uncommons I want to buy online.

Where's the cheapest place online to buy individual common cards?

>>48124944
I'd recommend you put the word out to local card shops, ESPECIALLY for unique things like your Chandra. I'd bet 20 bucks that whoever busted into the car had no idea what the cards are and just grabbed bags and ran.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/m-u-s-h-r-o-o-m-s-a-m-b-a/

Alright, it's a work in progress and it's utter jank, but I'm taking suggestions.

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Go ahead, cast Vindicate on me.

I fucking dare you.

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ALRIGHT BOYS, TIME TO CROSS "OVERCOSTED BLUE MYTHIC ENCHANTMENT" OFF THE BINGO LISTS

>>48125012
>>48125002
These are fun.

>>48125037
I actually kinda like the Dragon as a decent beater, since it makes targeted removal very scary for an opponent, but it's likely gonna be a 15-20 dollar card for exactly that reason in Standard.

The blue one thankfully will cost 25 cents the day it releases, and is hilarious EDH jank

>>48125002
I want to try that in Zada

>>48125067
It doesn't combo well with her, but it does function as a second Zada, so that's at least something.

>>48125075
Yeah, as like a contingency plan for if Zada gets popped too many times and is too expensive to cast

>>48125002
I'd rather cast harmless offering on my own dragon.

>>48125153
Why? What good does that do?

>>48125166
'Tis better go give than to receive.

>>48125048
Fortunately, that's the best kind of EDH jank.

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>>48125012
Just built a Bantchantress deck. This will go well in it.

>>48124790
I got most of Prossh's mana base for under $30, excluding shock lands and blackcleave cliffs/copperline gorge.
Its stuff like Reflecting Pool and Forbidden Orchard that get pricey, the Scry 1 lands are all under $5.

>>48124877
A solid 7.5/10. Fucks up several game plans by busting people in the head for trying to cast noncreatires and a R/G deck has a creature for literally every situation if build right. You can get flash, untapping, haste, hexproof, uncounterable spells, and more, all from creatures in R/G. Go nuts.

>>48125012
Aw damnit, and I was so close to finishing my Mizzix build.

>>48125255
You and me both, brother.

>>48125002
What plane has the best dragons and why is it Innistrad?

>>48125012
We need to talk MaRo. Your waifu complex for Narset has gone too far.

>>48123171
Format stealing is fine, isn't like it is you stealing the idea for EDH.

>>48124948
halp plz

>>48125012
>doesn't say until EoT
I feel like I am going to have fun with this.

>>48125506
Probably TCGPlayer, but you're not gonna have HUGE discounts. Most places are gonna want between 10 and 25 cents per bulk common/uncommon.

>>48125467
>innistrad
>not alara
Dude

>>48125557
Which means you have to cast it right then. You can't save it until later.

>>48124948
Your best bet is http://www.tcgplayer.com/
When you look at your cart you can optimize it to be as cheap as possible by turning off same printings and changing card quality. (If you don't care about playing with shit quality)

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The LGS is ever-changing

>>48125583
>fuck you tim
I like it.
>>48125571
Yeah and that is what kinda sucks about it, can't play things outside of their normal casting speed.
For 7 I figured it would let me at least let me cast it as long as it is under.
Knowledge pool seems funny with this, you getting more value than them.

>>48125583
As a primarily red player, fuck that guy running Chandler, Joven and Eron

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Threw together some probably bad decks this week, and retooled my old ones. I'm pretty proud of Sydri, because the only infinite combo makes mana to which the only outlet is making a million myr tokens, so they opponent will get a turn to respond before they get overrun.

>>48125623
>can't play things outside of their normal casting speed
Also wrong. You cast the spell right then and there, as part of that ability resolving. If they flip over a sorcery, you're kinda sorta casting it 'in response' to whatever spell triggered the enchantment in the first place.

>>48125632
It's a deck explicitly built not to win. Just drops jokulhaups, decree of annihilation, boil, possibility storm. It's a nightmare.

>>48124971
Anybody?

>>48125641
It seems like every group eventually develops the Red Deck where all it does is chaos shit and mass LD and they think they're so funny and clever.

>>48125635
In that case it goes into my shitty stax, I get to use it as a deterrent.
>>48125647
If you want it to stay as your description has it on there I would get a Hardened Scales, Evolutionary Leap and a Sproutstorm.
Leyline of the Meek will also be rather helpful.

>>48125681
That's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for here- probably 'obvious' stuff that I'm just blanking on.

I wonder how far I can/should push the +1/+1 counter thing, too?

>>48125701
If you push the +1/+1 counter thing there is also Retribution of the Ancients and Oran-Rief, the Vastwood

>>48125821
Retribution might not be worth the slot, given that I'm token-heavy enough to run Attrition instead, but if people start running too many scary black things I might make room for it.

I also might not go TOO crazy with the counters, since "making lots of tokens" and "putting lots of +1/+1 counters on things" can get a little crazy dice wise. "This dice is +1/+1 counters, this one is how many Saprolings, this dice is Spore counters", etc.

Trying to make a new deck without buying cards- I've been playing since Scourge so I have a good pool.

Possible Commanders:
NuAvacyn
OGIsperia
Myosin of Life's web
Myojin of Cleansing Fire
Augustin IV
Memnarch
Gitrog
Khan Anafenza
Khan Sidisi
Narset
Mikaeus the Unhallowed
Skithiryx
Ephara
Xenagos
Erebos
Kolaghan
Dragonlord Atarka

>>48121399
Play something else. Any trigger that depends on combat damage sucks.

>>48125896
>Ephara
Abuse Blink and ETB, it is pretty fun.
>Kolaghan
Dashing him out with a dragon board is amazing, and you can run conspiracy for more Dragons.
>NuAvacyn
Wraths.dec Try animating enemy lands for shiggles

>>48126330
>him
Kolaghan is female.

>>48125896
If you have enough fatties you can build Gitrog reanimator. Ephara ETBs is p fun if you have flash creatures or a leyline too.

Be honest, /edhg/, what's your meme deck?

everyone has one

>cast Tireless Tracker
>everyone stops to pick up the card and read it
My group is fairly slow to pick up new cards...

>>48125641
Again, fuck that guy. Jokulhaups is a great wincon in the right deck, but doing it because "lol chaos" makes you a dick.

Fuck that guy up with the most aggro deck you have next time you play.

>>48126507
Ashling and the Crazy 88

>>48126532
I mean, I feel that way about mass LD in general. If you use mass LD to move towards a win (because you can recover from it faster, because you have a dominant position, because you have Avacyn or mana rocks, whatever), cool. To me that's no different from resolving some big scary dude and beating face.

When you drop Armageddon on turn 4 just because you can, and then cast Ravages of War four turns later just because you can, you're an asshole.

>>48126556
I share your attitude on MLD, don't worry

>>48126507
Godo's Heavy Metal Show
>Godo=lead guitar/vocals
>Beaters=band members
>Utility creatures=roadies
>Extra combat spells=solos
>Equipment=instruments
>Lands=stage

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>>48126507
Phelddagrif ultimate group hug.

>give everyone love
>only use spells that benefits everyone
>no direct win con
>objective to make the game last as long as possible

pretty fun

>>48126507
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
It's all removal and doesn't have a single wincon. It's only purpose is to annoy. My group has yet to figure it out. They think I'm stalling for a combo or something.

>>48126507
What makes a deck a meme?

>>48126986
a meme deck is a deck that has:

a meme commander:
Memeoplasm, Pepe, Narset, Norin, Kaalia, Derevi, etc

or a meme strategy:
Stax, Chaos, MLD, reliable infinite combos, lots of counters, storm, etc

>>48126507
It was Basandra.

Anyway, I contacted about 6 of the local stores and they seemed helpful.

>>48127034
So it's things you don't like to play against?

>>48127034
Okay, so what makes those commanders and strategies memes? Or are you just using a buzzword to incite conflict?

>>48127102
I play at least half of those myself. As long as things are clear with the group that we're playing all out, I don't care how competitive it is

>>48127131
both a buzzword and this is the aggregate definition i've accumulated across my experience in /edhg/ based on what people refer to as "memes"

It's kind of an arbitrary definition so just have some fun with it

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What commander do you hate with a burning passion?
>Pic Related
A properly built Narset can win on turn 2.

>>48127321
How on earth do you get a 6CMC commander with WUR in its casting cost out on turn 2?

>>48127321
Nekusar. I have seen exactly one Nekusar deck in my life that wasn't 85% a carbon copy of every other Nekusar deck on the planet. IT's also not very fun to play against.

Also, I'm struggling to figure out how you expect Narset to win on turn 2 with anything resembling consistency. All I can think involves Mana Crypt and Mana Vault and SSG and such.

>>48127341
I'm guessing turn 1 Ancient Tomb, Sol Ring, two Signets, Mana Crypt, and Greaves, but that's pretty inconsistent.

I am begging Eldritch Moon for a new BW. We already have 1 legends compared to Shadow's 7. Is there a chance we'll get even one more, or was Ishkanah the "grand" finale?

Tell me Hal & Alana will get made, or the White Black Angel sister, or something

>>48127730
BW has a fair share of fun legends. It isn't like you are UR or GW.

>>48127730
>1 legend in EMN compared to 7 in SOI
>Hal & Alana
Anon what are you talking about

>>48127764
Well for total sperg reasons, I want a new one themed after Innistrad. >>48127782
I meant to say 10 compared to 7. I assume because wizards doesn't design for us, they count hanweir and the oath and all that as part of the legend count. And Hal & Alana are 2 gay trappers who have had at least 2 stories about them, I want a legend.

>>48127730
>the white black Angel sister
You mean the one that's been canonically dead for over a thousand years?

>>48127878
Yeah, but on Innistrad, death isn't exactly permanent for beings such as angels and demons. The body may be destroyed, but the essence lives on. Which is why the Helvault was created to contain the essences of defeated demons.

>>48127923
But we have absolutely no reason to believe that applies to Angels. The Helvault was put together because everyone KNEW that killing a Demon just got it out of your hair for a little while, but that Angel has been dead for at least several hundred years. If she was GONNA reform, she already would have.

>>48127960
But don't think of it reasonably, think of it as Wizards is a media company who went out of their way to mention her.

And, what, is Sigarda not showing up again in any amount? Leading her to be sorta of the angel hope for humanity and then dropping it left me confused on how important she really is supposed to be right now.

>>48127960
Pure speculation on both of our parts here. For all we know, angels can regenerate like demons can, they just take longer. Besides, didn't that sister make a ton of deals with demons? I could see how she'd be both an angel and a demon. The only real exception will be Avacyn, seeing as she was unmade, not killed, so her essence isn't around to regenerate. :^)

>>48127999
I'd bet that Sigarda gets Avacyn's old job as the Head of the Church, and the Angel everyone looks up to (especially how she defended them from her much stronger sister in their time of need).

As for mentioning the angel, it's possible we'll get her in a supplemental set like Commander, or when we Return to the Battle for Innistrad Besieged.

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>>48128034
>Return to the Battle for Industrial Besieged
I keked. Speaking of Mirrodin and New Phyrexia, I honestly hope that Wizards decides to take us there after Kaladesh.

>>48126507
>>48127034
Judging by these criteria all my decks are meme decks.
Kaalia and Narset bcause of the commander.
Nekusar and Sharuum for infinite combos
Braids because Chaos
Augustin for lots of counters

>>48128071
>implying we are not going to near anything about Phyrexia in the next big artifact themed block

>>48128106
Maybe seeds of something, but it's not going to be a big plot point. We're going to Kaladesh (apparently just on a fucking whim from the little summary, going to an Inventor's Fair), and then the next set is Aether Revolt. We know from Chandra's backstory that actual magic (rather than artifice) is really frowned upon on Kaladesh, and her parents were smuggling Aether around, so it seems very likely that the big story there is going to be a revolution of magic-users trying to overthrow the artificers. Likely with Chandra chomping at the bit for a chance to burn down the institution that led to her parent's death, AND in the support of freedom and fire magic everywhere.

>>48127341
>>48127358
>land drop
>mana crypt, mana vault, sol ring, signets
>all those red rituals

You'll need a lucky draw but it's certainly possible

>>48128151
Possible does not mean consistent. Phrase things better.

>>48128071
Innistrad* fuck you, auto correct

>>48126791
I have the same deck and always searching new ways oficial love giving

>>48124468
To be fair, it would be ok in either, since PW Teferi's +1 lets you "draw" cards around the omen machine.

>>48128135
>Another cool artifact plane ruined
God dammit

>>48128905
Creating a cool plane and then ruining it is basically the defacto Magic plotline at this point.

>>48128172
nah it's definetely not consistent, but I bet you can buildit so she comes consistently out on t3 at least, maybe even t2 but I don't bother with that cause I don't have the shekels for the manabase that would require

>>48128905
what other artificial planes got ruined and how do you define it?
ruined withing the story or by the story?

>>48129107
Mirrodin kinda got fucked over. A lot.

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In honour of my recently completed Karlov, of the Ghost Council deck, here is my contribtion to the line of pimp-ass commanders.

He is affectionately (I think) referred to as Uncle Karlo, or Lil Karlo, in my playgroup.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karlov-rae-jepsen/

What are the most fun Grixis builds you guys can think of besides Nekusar? I also don't want to do Jeleva turns but other decks with her would be acceptable.

>>48120365

No not at all, mono white and red are harder to be good unless you go mono brown splash red/white, but they can still be really good

Mono green mono blue and mono black are all tier 1-1.5

>>48124172
Emrakul group hug

>>48129583
Sedris reanimator, Mishra artifacts, I had a list for a Garza Zol magpies tribal too but it's clunky af

>>48129107
Serra's plane. Completely annihilated.

>>48129829
>>48129341
so you guys mean fucked up within the story, not from a story standpoint

>>48122153
>takes a decent bit of struggle to get the top off

Are you an 8-year old girl?

>>48129583
Sedis is prob the most fun. Crosis is great too and Maechesa is good too. In battlecruiser meta Nicol Bolas works too.

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I just picked up this wonderful piece of artwork, and want to build a voltron deck around him.

Dakkon will be coming out late, so in the meantime, I'm wondering if anyone can point out some good U/B/W creatures to keep his swords warm for him through the early/mid game

>>48127341

I prefer T2 Jeleva. It's much easier and can net the same end. She's also fun to play AGAINST Narset, so I may be a little biased since there were two in my old meta.

>>48129940
>Jeleva vs Marset
Nothing like stealing the Narset's player Omniscience twice in a row through different method eh?

>>48122153
>>48122560
Satin Towers are decent, but Ultimate Guard Monoliths basically do everything the towers do but better for like three bucks more.

Are there any enchantments/artifacts in June colors that give mass intimidate (or close to it)? I already have that 4 cost r/g enchantment that gives +1/0 and menace, just wondering if there's anything else.

>>48130273
Juhnd* fucking phone.

>>48124733
Off the top of my head for Krenko I run the usual boots/greaves, Akroma's Memorial, Hammer of Purphoros, Ring of Valkas, Flamekin Village. I could use some more. The new land that was spoiled looks alright as well.

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here's hoping for a (you)

>>48130716

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>>48124231
or make infinite tokens

>>48130510
>Hammer of Purphoros, Ring of Valkas
these are great suggestions, not sure if Flamekin Village and Akroma's Memorial fit the deck (Kaalia) because they slow me down and the memorial upps the mana curve to much
boots/greaves go in almost every deck I build

>>48130716
Why Thelon and not Ghave? There's 3ish fungi you lose out on by not being in white.

>>48130037

Well, I can't cast it, but I'll happily exile it. I can steal their extra turns, though. Extra combats really don't do anything without a resonator or fork. My goal is to hit Enter the Infinite. That's the real kicker. All the extra turns and shit are really just helping me get to that point, and if someone wants to be greedy with Narset and give me more, then more power to them.

That being said, it's tricky playing against Narset. If I have a fast hand, I could get lucky and remove some heavy hitters, and thankfully even if I'm slow, I'm usually ahead. The problem comes when I have to try and control Narset, and I say I because I was always the control player in my group for a reason. It's not that I can't, but rather because Narset has Hexproof.

>>48130820
Ghave is more a +1/+1 fellow, and Thelon deal more directly with thalid mechanics.

>>48131124
Ghave's also a Legendary Fungus himself, he makes Saprolings, and allows you access to a few more Fungi (including Pallid Mycoderm, who is actually pretty good).

Looking at this thread, apparently Narset is a shitter commander.
I'm a new player and Narset is one of the only legendaries I have.
I'm I really that bad if I make a deck with her?

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i wanna play a mono black stax list, or at least a control list that has some cool sac engine kind of thing. what commander should i play?

new to edh but not to magic

>>48131186
No. Don't be a oussy about it, it's just frustrating when Narset decks are totally stacked with extra turn cards, no one has fun. So learn how to pump the brakes a tad when building her and she's fine, and cool.

>>48131186
No, not inherently. The problem is that the unfun Narset decks power her out as fast as possible and then basically just end the game because they attack with her and find an extra turn spell or an extra combat spell so they get to swing again, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.

>>48131186
It is entirely possible to build a reasonable Narset deck.
The problem will be convincing anyone you play with that your game plan isn't to turn Narset sideways the first time and end up with 3 extra attack phases and at least 4 more turns.

>>48131243
Eh, as long as he doesn't have a history of being a shithead they should at least give him one chance. Just declare Commander and say "I swear to god, it's not bullshit cheese."

I've had that happen in my group before, both with players I've known for years and new people who just joined the group. I'd say about 85% of the time they mean it, we don't insta-target them and everyone has fun. The other 15% of the time they go infinite on turn 4 and we promptly excise them from our group; not for being WAAC, but for fucking lying about it like a dickwad.

>>48131186
narset is lame man, just find a cheaper commander

you can build a "reasonable" narset deck like >>48131243 said but it's gonna be boring as fuck to play and will just be "turn narset sideways, get big value instead of win on the spot" ... like ok

>>48131186
So long as you're not puking out extra turns like a dick

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>your order has shipped

>>48131275
>YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN UNLESS I GIVE IT MY SEAL OF APPROVAL
Fuck out of here with that attitude. Maybe he wants to build Monk Tribal.

>>48131193
Daretti and Hokori are the figureheads for Stax in EDH, if you want to be mono black your best option in probably Chainer or Endrek Sahr

>>48131186
Fill it with Auras and lots of red pump spells

Maybe a Cast Through Time

>>48131360
>Exile this spell as it resolves if you cast it from your hand
Yeah wow, Cast Through Time is fucking fire in narset.

>>48131353
How do you build Daretti Stax? When I had a Daretti deck it just felt like Durdletown

Is it just sac and recur Tangle Wire/Smokestack/Memory Jar?

>>48130358
It's just Jund.
Anyway, there's Bellowing Tanglewurm and black Mike in creatures. For fear you have Intimidation, which is only enchantment that does this, I think. There's Dauthi Embrace too, though.
Not sure why you want them, intimidate isn't really that good.

>>48131377
Whoops, forgot that Rebound was cast from your hand, take it easy bubba

>>48131186

Narset is cancer. Period. You have two options:

A)
>My Narset is totally not like everyone else don't hate me XDdDd :(((

No one it going to believe you. Narset is inherently frustrating because she has Hexproof so you can't target her, and first strike so it's hard to at least trade. On top of that, she grants a potential of FOUR FREE SPELLS when she attacks. It doesn't matter how casual you think your deck is because you have a commander that casts four free spells every turn, which means you are target #1 anyway.

B)
Embrace it. It you want to play Narset, go big or go home. Because of her ability, there is no pumping the brakes. What are you going to do, not cast that time stretch? I'd be more insulted if you didn't cast what you flipped than if you did. Why even bother playing in the first place?

Go big or go home. Everyone will hate you anyway.

>>48131269
>>48131275
>>48131243
>>48131280

The problem with Narset is like I said: YOU GET FOUR FREE SPELLS. I don't care what you have in your deck; the card advantage is fucking massive in top of a commander that is difficult to remove.

>>48131186
It's really incredibly easy to break narset.

>>48131421
And if those spells aren't oppressive, then it's not nearly that bad. You get UP TO four free spells. If you don't go nuclear on insane instants and sorceries, you might be getting only one or two in a turn instead of 4. And if I'm casting like, Divination or Fiery Gambit for free instead of Time Stretch and Fury of the Horde, it's a lot less cancerous.

Plus, again, he doesn't fucking have to build around her ability. He could build Jeskai Monk Tribal and that'd be interesting.

But go on, keep insisting that every single Narset deck in the universe is inherently cancerous and oppressive and unfun just because you got your chocolate star pushed in by one once.

>>48131384
Pretty much, play Winter Orb and every 2 cmc rock you can to facilitate a T2-3 Daretti every game. Run looting effects like Faithless, Wild Guess and Tormenting to pitch cards early so you can cast Daretti and immediately reanimate something. Clock of Omens and Welder are huge for being able tk mitigate your Winter Orb end of your opponents turn as well.

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Why aren't you playing Ancient Tomb in all your decks, /tg/?
>strictly better than temple of the false god which is a staple
>allows turn one mana rock, turn two four drop, which is a swing in mana on par with sol ring
>lets you get your commander out a turn or more earlier
>puts you at a slightly lower life total so scrubs won't attack you for "fairness reasons"
>insane in conjunction with any other broken ramp (exploration, sol ring, ect)
inb4 "I'm too much of a pussy to take 2 damage"
Pic related, it's the phrases I'd use to describe plays facilitated by ancient tomb + fellwar stone into a turn two skyshroud claim + dark confidant.

>>48131421
>counter Narset
>play arcane lab / rule of law
>gang up on her
She's so easy to deal with. Threatening, but not cancer. She's a slower, more explosive Maelstrom Wanderer.

>>48131468
It's objectively good in basically every deck, but i don't see a lot of them because of the price tag.

>>48131468
I am

>>48131468
Would if I could, but I dont have 40 bucks to throw at a single land.

>>48131468
Because I only own one and I don't care enough to buy 8 more.

>>48131515
If you own one, why not swap it between each deck?

>>48131498
Holy fuck, did it spike after EMA announcements? I have a few in my decks but I'm glad I don't need any more.

>>48131540
Because that's irritating as hell.

>>48131468
I have top few basics already.

>>48131464
That's less exciting than I thought but still sounds like fun for being an asshole

Hokori also looks fucking nasty but more "fuck your mana" style, especially with all the tax stuff in white

>>48131498
>40 bucks
Jesus christ when did that happen? They were like 12 recently. That's bullshit.
>>48131473
Rule of law effects against Narset are delicious. Nothing feels better than getting out an eidolon of rhetoric against them while world quellering away their Narset.

>>48131557
>>48131541
Speculation, friends. Same reason LED and Moat have spiked.

>>48131567
LED and Moat spikes were one guy doing a buyout explicitly to spike the price ad make a profit

>>48131455

I bet you're the type of player who complains because "I'm just drawing cards bro! Why are you attacking me? I'm just drawing cards!" Sure, it's up to 4, it could whiff, and I've seen it happen many times. However, I've also seen Omniscience, Armageddon, Time Stretch, and Tamiyo. Narset is cancer. Period.

>>48131473

I'm the Jeleva player who posted before. There are 2 in my meta, sometimes 3. Thankfully, they're not usually out at the same time. I know how to play against them, but it's frustrating. I love Silence with the trigger on the stack, which works with Wanderer, too. Did I mention there are 3 wanderer decks in my meta?

>>48131468
>Temple of False God
>Staple
The fuck you been smoking, shit's useless.

>>48131592
Your meta sounds fucking awful, anon

>>48131583
That's what I mean. The only reason those cards rise in price is because assholes decide to throw thousands of dollars at it instead of actually investing it.

>>48131592
I'm not arguing with you that the bullshit Narset decks are bullshit. They are. The decks that just vomit extra turns and mass LD and basically end the game the second they swing, they suck.

But you are being narrow-minded and stupid for declaring that ALL Narset decks, regardless of what they do, are automatically cancer because SOME decks can be built in a bullshit way. It comes across less as 'valid complaint' and more as 'petty bitching because I lost to Narset', whether or not that's accurate. I saw someone build a Narset deck where every single instant and sorcery made tokens. It was fun! But according to you, it's instantly cancer because it COULD have Time Stretch in it and go nearly infinite. Even though it doesn't.

>>48131592
Build Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir stasis. He stops cascade, not sure about Narset though I knownit qould stop all but their first spell, right?

>>48131421
I think narset could potentially be uncancerous if you made it a UWR walkers/control deck with a lot of police effects and boardwipes, but only if it wasn't combo based at all. Think like those standard jeskai decks that just had her as a value button. Now I kinda wanna make narset just so I can jam in all my favorite dank spells like decree of silence, citadel siege, and that mythic blue enchantment they spoiled. Also all your countermagic would have to be something worth getting off narset. Woo, arcane denialing my own thought vessel!

>>48131607
Also because Wizards bases all eternal format support around an incredibly short-sighted promise they made 20 years ago

>>48131661
I'm an idiot, ignore me.

>>48131646
Narset has the rest of the turn to cast her spells so Teferi doesn't really stop her.

>>48131603
Not if your commander costs 6 or more, which many do. Also made better if urborgs are played often in your playgroup.
And to answer your question, a lot of weed.

>>48131606

Don't forget the Animars. It's rough, but rather than complain, I learned to gitgud. I loved hearing them complain about Saffi.

>>48131629

You're missing the point entirely. She's cancer because of the horrendous amount of free card advantage she generates regardless of what's being cast. Great, you've made a token deck. I'm not supposed to kill you first because you cast Cathars Crusade, Increasing Devotion, Storm Herd, and Goblin Rally instead of extra turns?

You're the one who's being Narrow minded.

>>48131646

Teferi would stop it entirely I think because there's still a spell on the stack, which would prevent casting anything else.

>>48131669

You would be wrong. That's the first in line for "Not like the others". If she only cast one of the 4 cards exiled, that would be find, but the fact that she gets all 3 is just asinine.

>>48131772
SO DON'T BUILD HER IN AN ABUSIVE MANNER, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

Just because she has the POTENTIAL to be abused doesn't mean that she fucking HAS to be. I could build a Narset deck and never fucking attack with her. I could build a Narset deck with nothing but X spells so they always whiff. I could build a Narset deck without a single instant or sorcery. And according to you, that deck is still cancerous because I COULD have built it to be abused.

Show us on the fucking doll where the Narset touched you.

>>48131805

I didn't realize Sheldon came to /tg/

>>48131772
>but rather than complain, I learned to gitgud
>whines about Narset

>>48131398
It's a fun deck that partially relies on Menace. I'd like to see if I can reliably add intimidate to the mix.

>>48131878

Just because I whine about her, doesn't mean I can't beat her, and I have every right to whine about her. She's frustrating. I am honestly shocked so many people are defending Narset.

>>48131555
If thaf doesn't pique your interest, how about Slobad? You usually end up trying to land a fatty and then follow up by making it indestructible and wiping or playing some mana denial like orb.

>>48131989
She's the MTG mascot for Autists everywhere.

>>48120389
>>48120399
I too love 8 mana combos that you have to wait until you upkeep to trigger.

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>>48131989
My personal favorite answer to Narset. Sure, I can't hit it while it's in play, but on the stack is a different story entirely.

DO YOU CARE?

Hi tg/, I am poor despite owning more than five edh decks which share the few staples I have a single of only.

I came across the Worlds championship decks and oh boy do they have some good/expensive cards in there!!

so I was wondering if I could buy some like a wasteland and a Force of will to play as a single in my EDH decks since they're like 5-8 times cheaper than their tournament legal counterpart!

You think my playgroup would be mad if i played them? Do you guys even care about it?

Note: I take no part in any edh tournaments.

Here's an example:
http://www.abugames.com/card216426-363693/Wasteland---Ben-Rubin---1998-World-Championship-Magic-The-Gathering-Single-Card.html

>>48132150
got a deck with hyrdoblast, pyroblast, red elemental blast and blue elemental blast just to be able to counter narset.

>>48132181

I bought a gold border gaea's cradle for $30 for my captain sisay deck, kinda expensive but it looks nice and I saved over $100 so it seemed worth it to me

Half my playgroup was happy for me, the other half was butt hurt at first, but they got over it, I don't play the deck every time anyway so maybe it would be different if I was destroying them with gaea's cradle every game

>>48132235
I imagine blue blast and hydroblast are significantly worse than their red counterparts.

>>48132181
Eh, I'm not a fan of proxies for competitive cards. It's awkward to tell a guy "no, you can't use it," but if one guy's using them, it sort of becomes fair game for everyone to use them, then you have people running around with ultra-consistent manabases, mana crypts, gaea's cradles, and just generally causing the power level at the table to skyrocket.

>>48131805
It can he hard to not play Narset in an abusive manner because the primary means of interacting with her is blocking, so just one player not having a 2/4 in play means she attacks for free every turn. That means as long as she has access to any board control at all, she is very hard to stop.

>yea I could play narset with 99 lands that wouldn't be abusive
I'm sure you wouldn't enjoy playing that. If Narset isn't played in a deck where her ability does anything, what's the point of playing her? Narset walks a fine line because going out of your way to make a commander useless is basically a shadowban. The challenge isn't how to make a Narset deck that isn't OP, the challenge is how to make it fun.

>>48131849
Sheldon might be a little out of touch in some regards, but he is right about one thing. If somebody is trying to be a dick in a social format, you can't stop them, even if you have a 2000 card ban list. I've played in some groups where butcher of malakir was the most miserable card on the table, and that card wouldn't even be in the top 2000. I've also played in groups where braids, cabal minion would be close to useless. The only common thread is to just try to enjoy yourself.

>>48132261

Depends on your meta, the reason the red ones are better in legacy and vintage is because blue is more common and pervasive than red, in eternal masters, the blue ones are equal or better than the red ones because red is as popular or more than blue in the limited environment

In edh, each playgroup is different

>>48132181
Proxies are nothing to be ashamed of, though check with your group first. Some people feel cheated when you slam down something like a Workshop t1 that's nothing but a bit of paper with shop scribbled onto it.

>>48121056
The go to budget option for commander decks.

>>48132291

>proxy

I mean you can say that the world championships cards are equally not allowed but they aren't proxies, they were made by wizards

>>48132303

Braids cabal minion is never close to useless

>>48132345
They're glorified proxies. Replicas.

>>48132345
They were made by Wizards, by they aren't, by definition, Magic cards. They are proxy magic cards.

I have at least one in my decks, though. I'm short one Thran Dynamo and had a gold border one. I don't give a fuck.

>>48132368
Isn't every card a replicate beings as they're just printed ink clones of 10M other copies of the same card?

>>48132099
He sounds kinda cool too

>>48132388
No

>>48132368
>"My little anon can't be THIS autistic!"

Jesus Christ I need to stop building with red

>>48132473

I have 2 monoblack decks, and a BWR deck. I know the feeling.

>>48132181
Just write "wasteland" on a basic land and save yourself $5 its really the same thing, im guessing you are not playing in sanctioned events with it so it really doesnt matter

>>48132636
It isn't the same thing. Using a world championship card preserves the aesthetic of playing a game of magic.

>>48132239
>>48132291
>>48132331

Thank you for the responses. Much appreciated anons.

My meta is usually cutthroat, but every once in a while we switch to janky stuff, (specially me).
I'll go talk to them, surely they won't care about it.

Here's my deck's if any1 wanna know:

My cutthroats: Sigarda lel-hexproof enchantress, Meren grave shenanigans, Titania.dec, Karlov-voltron

My fun basket: SoI Sigarda humans, Blue Braids, flip-Chandra Burn, Trostanni live matters/we populate, Rakdos lord of parties, Sen triplets (esper artifact control with hands reveal effects

WIP: Nin izzet control-chaos, Brago flicker, Wdyen control ?, Selenia changelifetotals.deck, UB Sygg, Rosheen XXX

yeah, im kinda of an edh addict

>>48132291
This exactly is the problem with proxies. I should be able to proxy the rest in peace that didn't come in time due to a shipping mix up. But if no one at my lgs has a problem with this, then the autist is gonna show up next time with proxied mana drains and jaces that he has no intention of actually buying.

>>48132562
It's just such a fun color. I love finding old jank like Mages' Contest and Smoke. Personally I think red lends itself best to the weird shit that can happen in EDH. Feel free to correct me though, I embrace any and all jank

>>48132636
You guesed right, no i am not.

I must have already considered doing it once... haent we all?
But at least the wizards-proxy makes a lil bit convincing that I'm at least trying instead of just writing wasteland on a mountain or in this case a basic "waste" would be more creative xP

>>48132747

I don't see why that's a problem

If you don't want to play against mana drain and jtms you should house rule ban them rather than just make the game pay to win

>>48132686

Exactly

This is why I think people calling gold border cards proxies are missing the point, they've bought into the pay to win mindset

The only reason I ever buy magic cards is because of the aesthetic appeal, gold border cards are almost as aesthetic as the normal ones so they're perfect for really expensive old cards

Also you can sell gold border cards just like black border, so if gold border is a "waste of money" then black border is even more so, considered how stupidly expensive many of these cards are

>>48132834

I've had proxies of an entire cube even though I had nearly all of the cards for it and similarly with EDH. I'm not taking 8 grand into a LGS.

>>48132747

Groups of people should decide their own proxy ethics without the approval of random people on a Taiwanese basket-weaving forum.

If you can't stand someone's proxies then you are capable of telling him to go away.

>>48132782

When you are cooking for a dear friend or family member using a recipe, let us say lasagna, the recipe calls for a pinch of salt. Would you then think to yourself
"Nobody asked me to not squirt dish soap into this lasagna. If they didn't want any dish soap, they should have banned it."
"The recipe explicitly allows salt, and a pinch is undefined. There is no limit. I could make them eat a whole carton of salt!"

>>48132782
The problem is that deckbuilding with the resources you have available is part of the fun of the game. I'm fine playing against proxies when they're just testing the deck and figuring out whether to buy the cards, but EDH starts to lose its luster the third time my opponent who's been playing a few months and can't remember his own triggers turn one imperial seals for a turn two mishra's workshop. I've got my legacy deck if I want to play optimized magic, and I'm more than willing to play against proxies there. If you legitimately still disagree with me, I doubt you've seen what happens when everyone in an imperfect playgroup decides that proxies are totally fine.

>>48132749

I used to have tons of red decks, too. Red is a very fun color because it has stupid answers for stupid shit, and I love it. My current mono red is a Chandra deck that's pretty terrible, but has its moments.

I am just littered with black, though. If I had another Demonic, I'd probably have another.

>>48132910

What?

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Not being able to use proxies sounds like a nightmare. I buy my decks, and get all the pretty foils and alters, but not before making certain it's worth buying and ready. I don't want to buy a fucking Vendi and realize it's not even needed in the 99.

My group of about 5 players often show up with decks that are 99% sharpie, ugly need handwriting on jank cards of the same color and card type of the "real" card it's mimicking, and it's all cherry. It's the only way to know what's worth throwing money at, and it allows us to try anything that comes to us at any given time. You guys got to get with the program, proxies aren't the enemy.

>>48132959
The allegory could not be more straightforward.

>>48132910
Take your food analogies back to /v/ senpai.

>>48132914

>Blah blah subjective muh feelings

Gold border cards are not easy to find so you still have to work with what's available

If you can't have fun because your opponents didn't pay enough money for their imperial seals that's on you, i honestly don't understand what your problem is unless you're just lying to yourself and the problem is actually that you would prefer stuff like mishra's workshop be banned

Like I understand if there's a cultural norm in your playgroup that optimized decks are only allowed in legacy and not edh, but the fact that you're getting elitist about a completely arbitrary thing is puzzling

My playgroup is fine with any and all proxies but hardly anybody uses them because we like the look and feel of real cards (whatever color the border, though there aren't many gold borders either)

If somebody was winning every game because of a real mana drain or a real mishra's workshop they bought, we would not be pleased and ask them not to play that deck

If they proxied those cards nothing would change except that the person who used them isn't out hundreds of dollars

>>48131193
Marrow-Gnawer provides you with endless rats to sacrifice.

>>48132985
In fact, we used to cut out pieces of paper and just slid it in front of jank in a sleeve. We would draw our own pathetic pictures on it, it was actually really fun.

>>48132988

Being condescending doesn't make you any easier to understand

I mean you were replying to me, so I have to assume you want me to know what you're trying to say?

Or was it just to score rhetorical points with yourself?

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>>48133093
Spotted the poorfag. Till I had a job, I just sucked it up and ran the next best, affordable thing. I didn't bitch that I didn't have the best around.

>>48133148

>disagreeing with me is "bitching"

I do exactly what you do

Literally the only difference between you and me is if somebody wanted to play with proxies with me there would be no issue but if thy tried to do that with you they'd get a sanctimonious sermon about getting a job and endless bitching from you if they beat you with fake cards

>>48133093
I'm not against reasonable use of proxies. But the players who tend to proxy very expensive cards also tend to be the sort of players who don't understand the spirit of the game, and so if proxies are allowed long term with zero stigma (unless you're in a small, intelligent playgroup), you're going to see a good number of 90% proxied optimized turbospike decks, and that's the sort of thing I was complaining about in my example. Maybe it's just the people that go to my lgs, but I've been jaded by too many autists who don't understand that people get kinda bitter losing to openers like proxied misty into proxied volcanic island and proxied mana vault for a proxied imperial recruiter fetching a proxied kiki jiki.
tl;dr proxies have their place but unregulated proxies will almost always result in hellishly stupid outcomes. The sort of player who can afford these expensive cards will usually be mature enough to realize when not to use them.

>>48133331

Misty into volcanic into recruiter into Kiki jiki doesn't sound all that broken, but if it WAS broken, I don't see why it would be any less frustrating if the person spent thousands of dollars

Your last sentence is the only one in the post that isn't nonsense to me, and I still don't see why you wouldn't just ban cards you think "shouldn't be used"

>>48133331
>The sort of player who can afford these expensive cards will usually be mature enough to realize when not to use them.
Basically this. When my friend and I got crypt, we basically realized we could run even dumber decks than we did before, because crypt lets bad decks and generals be half-decent.

Plus, it gives that sort of archenemy vibe, which can be fun. We used to have a guy who was the only one around running expensive shit. Five color superfriends with mana drain, crypt, all this wild stuff.

We'd blow him out, and some of the people who spent maybe $20-30 would feel validated, because they just knocked a guy out with 100 times more value in their deck than them.

>>48133444
Because if it's normalized, it's more common. If it's more expensive, there are less people doing that sort of play and more people who are likely to be answering it, since they're poised to deal with that shit.

>>48133581
>>48133581
NEW THREAD

>>48133111
>Being condescending doesn't make you any easier to understand

Condescending would be retyping everything as if you were a child without good reason, and the post was already basic. There was a chance that the best solution is to simply reread the post. I will retype my post with an extremely low information density. Sorry if this sounds patronizing.

You are cooking for a dear friend or family member. You are using a recipe to cook lasagna. The recipe instructs you to use a pinch of salt. The recipe does not forbid dish soap. Your guest has not specifically mentioned dish soap. You would not take this as an opportunity to squirt dish soap into the food. You would not expect your guest to forbid you from using dish soap. You would not interpret a pinch of salt to be an excessive amount. You would not do these things because they would obviously poison the dish and deliberately misinterpret the recipe.

>>48133484

I'm not understanding how proxies enter into the equation

Everything you're saying can be boiled down to "the game is more fun when decks have similar power level and everybody knows what to expect power level wise"

>>48133598

It looks like I needed to be more clear

I understand that recipes are written with the assumption that you are intending to make the dish correctly

what I don't understand is how that relates to the discussion of proxies and banning high power cards

>>48132773
Check youtube for making foil proxies, you just need an inkjet and some matte window decal sheets and a foil card, rub the foil card with acetone to get the ink off but leave the back of the card intact, print out full art proxy jpgs onto the decal sheet then stick it to the blank foil card with the magic card back, its an obvious proxy that has nicer art and is in foil and still looks better than the gold borders

>>48127358
>Nekusar. I have seen exactly one Nekusar deck in my life that wasn't 85% a carbon copy of every other Nekusar deck on the planet
Yeah that's so sad cause he's pretty based.
I built mine as a superfriends deck, though it mainly wins as every other nekusar deck

>>48133676
This guy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NFgjJC2etz0

>>48133676
>>48133779
thanks!!!