EDH/Commander general

>>47976574
That is a really bad card

/lit/ would throw a hissy fit over that flavor text because
>translations
>being able to convey original meaning

>>47976700

Compared to talrand lol

>>47976700
It is, but it's such a neat card. I'd probably run it if it was like 1 less for the monk or if it had prowess.

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This dumb thing and Oath of Gideon in my Nahiri deck. Just in case there is ever a chance I end up playing a game when dudes agree to play with tuck I will fish her out. I also try to run as many Elspeths as I can.

>>47976907

I don't see why this is bad unless you mean that it's bad in your deck cuz you don't have enough planeswalkers or the planeswalkers aren't that important

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>>47976941
I only run two Elspeths in the deck when it comes to other planeswalkers. Trying to get a Elspeth Tirel and eventually gonna try and see if I can fit a Gideon in the deck. Dunno which one though, Jura seems like the best out of the three for EDH though.

Also part two. This time this bitch in Meren. In fact my Meren deck is a mess. I don't know what to exactly do with it as a game plan. Ramp and Tokens are a strategy I want to use but I also want to drop fatties. I really need to look it over.

>>47976591
The problem I see with it is that Player B had a card that answered Player A's bullshit (he had darksteel forge and lattice, I guarantee there was bullshit occuring) and put him in a winning position. Whether you accredit it to a lucky topdeck or sandbagging the right answer, Player B made a play that should have earned him a win. Since Player A had no way to get revenge in game, he scooped so that Player B lost as well. It reminds me of being a kid playing tag, and whenever he gets tagged claiming whatever he was touching is safe, or he stopped playing. before he got tagged. (Probably a poor analogy, but god I hated this faggot).

>>47976506
>You play an archetype I don't like, so I'll scoop to spite you!

Different players enjoy different aspects of EDH, I hate masturbatory combo decks too, but I find interactive combo decks fun to play, and fun to play against. If someone enjoys comboing out, but can't do so without someone scooping to stop it they will find a combo that can't be interrupted so easily.

And before you call me a combofag, only one of my decks runs a combo as the main wincon, 3 have combo back ups, and 2 are combo free.

>>47977026
Ashnod's Altar turns tokens into fatties pretty well.

>>47977054

Again I don't really think all that many combos are stopped by scooping, it's more for removing permanents you own but don't control from the game and denying combat triggers

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First for EMA being a god tier set for EDH.

>>47977131

I'm tempted to build a 5 color dēck is just infinite combos

Kiki jiki and Splinter twin + friends

Mind over matter+ Selevana/Quicksiver Dagger etc >Lab Maniac

Sage of Hours + Ezuri UG

Ghave+ Ashnod

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I really know it should just be a normal mana rock instead but I keep telling myself that the deck thinning matters. Especially since it's in a Mardu deck and good proper draw power is hard to come by.

>>47977257

Why not burnished hart? Puts em in play and you're in reanimation colors

>>47976757
You know what really fucking bugs me? I don't know if I've seen it in magic, but it's goddamn everywhere, so it wouldn't surprise me:

The ancient prophecy or song it poem or curse or whatever, written in some long forgotten dead language fucking rhymes in English. It makes no fucking sense. And the best part is, it's nominally more difficult to come up with something that rhymes than to not, so they're whoever wrote it is putting in extra work to be shitty.

>>47977281
6 total mana versus 4 total mana. Plus burnished hart is just asking to get removed if you play it on T3. My deck also has no reanimation elements.

>>47977310
Oh thank god.

I thought I was the only one.

>>47977362

Opponent wastes removal on burnished hart sounds like a win to me

But I understand, it's slower

>>47977310

You realize that translator poets try to preserve the rhyming as well?

I'm working on a brion Stoutarm deck, and I'm wondering about the effects of Gift of Immortality.

If I attach it to a creature, I sac it, it instantly returns but GoI doesn't until the end of turn. If I then sac it again and get it back onto the battlefield again before GoI triggers and comes back, does GoI still re-attach without issue?

I'm mostly uncertain because I'm not sure if it counts as if the original target of the effect (the creature just returned with the initial GoI proc) is removed making the effect fizzle, of if it doesn't matter how many times it's been removed, as long as it's back at the end of turn when the recursion effect triggers.
Anyone know the answer? There isn't an AAJ thread up or I'd have asked it there.

>>47977555

Don't like that it creates a suspension of disbelief.

>>47977634

Pretty sure gift will only reattach if the creature in play at the time as returned by gift

If that creature dies again and you return it some other way, it won't be the creature referred to by gift

>>47977678

I'm saying it shouldn't do that in most cases

When people translate ancient poetry they try to make a poem in the new language as well

It shouldn't be surprising that an old poem still rhymes in translated form

>>47977678

Sometimes the original doesn't rhyme but the new version does because we have different ideas about poetry than they did in ancient languages sometimes

>>47977170
Even in the cases where it's not an infinite combo, you're encouraging less interaction. Honestly what irritates me the most about it is that when a player makes a play like Player B did in the hellkite example, it's a player turning the game around in a dramatic, flashy fashion. I think these swings make for the best and most memorable game in magic, especially EDH ("Remember when you swung 90000000 squirrels and I fogged and topdecked a deadly tempest the next turn?" vs "Remember when you had 90000000 squirrels and killed the whole table?"). Player B took a game that was almost lost, turned it into a winning scenario, and Player A ruined it out of salt. I know he did nothing against the rules, by scooping, and many people may think what he did was the right play, but it still rubs me the wrong way.

>>47977732
Hmm, I figured it'd be that way. Shame, that means less win-combos. Or at least, a few that work slower than I'd have hoped.

Put my Liliana deck back together last night, and it feels good. Now I need to finish tweaking it because I forgot to include a few things, but I also added others.

Wish I could add a LotV, but seeing as Wizards refuses to reprint it ever, I can't can't bring myself to drop $120 for an edh card.

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>>47977827

If he didn't scoop, then player C would've had his game ruined by player A's decision, it's one or the other, I agree that hellkite tyrant is splashy and fun, but sometimes a 3 player game just ends up that way

>>47978132

Talking about """Proxies"""?

I'd rather go without it. If I want to use an expensive card, then I want to actually have the expensive card. After learning to at against people with too much cash, I feel better winning with cheaper cards than with a fake expensive one.

Note that I'm not against fakes. By all means, keep buying them until the retarded secondary market collapses. I've just always had the philosophy of not needing those cards to win. However, sometimes one of those cards would be really nice in the deck. LotV, for example, would essentially be a second commander for me, but I don't really need it.

I'm wondering what you guys reckon are fun, powerful and interactive strategies to use in commander.

I made a deck around Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient, and between that and red's various temporary copy stuff this is the most enjoyable deck I've ever made

It looks like flicker can give a similar playstyle, and reanimation tricks might be a third. I'm wondering if you guys can think of any others that I should look in to?

>>47978170

I don't think player C's game would have been "ruined". He would have lost sure, but the original post gave me the impression that player C was at a disadvantage before player B's play, and he was at a disadvantage afterwards. My understanding is that player A was in a winning position, then player B outplayed player A and was in a winning position, then to spite B, A scooped giving the game to C. If I were player C I'd feel like it was a hollow victory at best. Hell I'd probably consider the game more ruined than if I had just lost to player B.

>>47977257
Is that card actually any good? I've had it in my jund commander for a short while.

>>47978520

I think you were confused, or I'm confused

Player A has hellkite tyrant
Player B has a bunch of artifacts
Player C has the best board

If player B doesn't scoop, he gives the game to player A, if he does, he gives the game to player B

It depends on the deck. The big thing about it is that its mana fixing as opposed to mana ramp, and it puts cards unto your hand, which is good with looting effects.

People were actually excited to watch my Jori En deck work. But every single game I've played with this new playgroup, people complain about the games being reeeaally long. Like, fuck, it is 4 man EDH.

Also, people seem to scoop to me a lot more readily. Not like, scoop before lethal. Not like, scoop to a softlock. Like, scoop to three dudes and a full hand. I don't get it.

>>47978693

Sorry I meant to say player C not B at that last part

>>47978693
You were confused, the other guy got it spot on. A had an amazing board. C had a decent board. B had next to nothing, but taking all of A's artifacts would have given him the win unless C pulled something incredible out of her ass.

>>47978765

What you just said is exactly how I imagined it

That's why wincons that rely entirely on your opponents permanents are bad though

Like at any point if player A the artifact player scoops, the hellkite tyrant guy has nothing

I don't see how hellkite tyrant guy deserves to win in that scenario, if he won it would've been not only a complete cheese but it would've required the daretti player to not scoop despite having no chance to win

>>47978693
>5 player game
>player A just destroyed 2, is mostly tapped out, and is in a good position to kill the last 2
>player B is barely hanging on, nothing but lands and a couple smaller cards
>player C is doing alright with Kaalia and a bunch of powerful creatures, but nothing too scary
>player B casts pic related (Hellkite Tyrant) and since all his creatures has haste attacks player A
>player A has mycosynth lattice, darksteel forge, and a lot of awesome artifacts, but no fliers left untapped
>player A gets super upset and scoops
>if player A had not scooped and let B take his shit, B would have slaughtered C on his next turn
>since player A scooped, B had nothing and C quickly took the kill

Player A had a great board state
Player B hit A with hellkite tyrant
Player C has decent board, but nothing gamebreaking.

Player A scooped. Since C had a better board than B before the Tyrant stole all of A's shit, C won easily.

>>47978706

I've been wanting to Build Jori for as long as the Gamesday promo has been spoiled. I have the promo in my binder, and haven't put it together yet. Not sure about the Wincon. Was thinking clone spells and Dual Caster with the usual Palinchron BS. Maybe Lab Maniac for maximum fuck it.

>>47978825
Mine is more casual, it kills people via a few burn spells, a few creatures spells and some finite combos.

But it is a lot of fun.

>>47978817

The way I see it, B earned the win because he had the answer to A's bullshit. It wasn't even a bullshit wincon, like casting bribery for blightsteel on turn 2, A was attempting shenanigans, and B had a way to stop those shenanigans. I'm also guessing A scooped out of spite, not strategy, since if A was as far ahead as the post says, B would be able to beat C in a turn or two, so A wouldn't have to wait very long.

>>47978817
To be fair, both players were Daretti players

>>47978901

I have Chandra for killing Via burn, so Jori won't be that. I think clone.dec featuring cantrips would be the way to go.

>>47978965

Dude got exactly what you can expect out of hellkite tyrant, he got to kill the artifact player, he doesn't automatically then deserve to beat the other player

>>47979018

We're clearly not going to agree with one another so this is probably my last response. I just feel like if you get BTFO like that the person who blew you out should get to reap the benefits. Scooping so that they don't just seems spiteful and petty.

>>47979123

I mean it may have been spiteful and petty, that has to do with the attitude of the guy who scooped

I'm just saying in the abstract, hellkite tyrant guy should know that he can't rely on an entire board of things he doesn't own to beat somebody who has his own board of stuff

You guys are talking like this scooping to a board state thing is a puzzle to be solved

>>47976757
I'd throw a hissy fit over it because it says nothing that isn't obvious. Non dragons need translations of draconic. Cows go moo.

>>47979547

Well it says that non dragons can't even learn draconic, or they aren't allowed, which is strange

So I have a Trostani deck that's kiiinda half-assing a "token" subtheme on top of the main theme of lifegain, but it's not meshing well and I'm not sure I like it.

I was thinking of slicing out the tokens thing and switching in something creature-based (with shit like Karametra and assorted G/W fatties). Good idea? Should I try to force tokens harder? Should I pick some other subtheme? I don't want to change it from a primarily lifegain focused deck, because that's fun, but I need a subtheme that doesn't suck.

>>47978984
One fun thing to do with her is dash effects and self bounce.

>>47979965
I would stick with the tokens, and don't rely on the lifegain.
I've been brewing and playtesting a Karametra deck lately. Its... Odd. GW nontokens is a weird combination, it keeps trying to turn into either a generic GW token deck or a monogreen fatty ramp deck; there's just not enough support for an even split between the colors. I'm thinking of scrapping it and doing something else Theros related.

>>47980560
Yeah, that's not really an option. It's a lifegain deck. I don't really care if it'd be "better" without the lifegain, I like that theme and I'm sticking to it. I'm just trying to figure out a subtheme that'll go with it better than half-assing the tokens.

>>47980560

>not enough support for green white

Idk what world you're living in

>>47980501

Dash can be fun. I used Valley Dasher in my Kalemne deck, and it was fantastic. I'd probably use it in Jori, too.

>>47979965
I think the token subtheme is fine since there's a lot of support for lifegain and tokens in G/W. What's not meshing well? I'm guessing it's that populate wants larger tokens and you keep ending up leaning towards dinky 1/1s.

>>47980728
It's actually more that there's not enough tokens getting made, because it's not the dedicated theme, so I end up without much synergy.

>>47980764
You may want to look into repeatable token makers then. There are definitely some that work within a lifegain theme like phyrexian processor and angelic accord. Other than those you have luminarch ascension and vitu-ghazi guildmage which can serve as mana sinks as well as prevent you from overextending. Other things like giant adephage, kazandu tuskcaller, and rampaging baloths can also help with making tokens repeatedly, though how willing you are to make cuts for dedicated token generators is up to you.

>>47980982
Processor is already in there, and I'm not sure why I didn't think of Accord.

I think I'm gonna cut the token thing and just find something else- I don't like excess overlap between decks, and this would let me build a Fungus Tribal Ghave deck.

I'm gonna make kolaghan with dragons and feldon and blackjack and hookers

>>47981583
Sounds like fun.

I pulled Thing in the Ice, what deck can actually use it?

Besides spellslingers and using an instant to trigger the transform and bounce your commander back

so i live near decatur texas
I go to walmart to get shit
Get txt fron one of my friends(he dosent play MTG) to meet him at taco bell
Get there to meet some guy and his girlfriend that play magic.
Friends say he plays 100 (thats what edh is to him)
Turns out they dont play edh but 100 casual card decks thinking that mill is op
Played few games with my mono black discard deck and gave them my number if they ever want to hang out
How do i help them git gud.
One of my friends has a good mill deck but i will make sure they wont see it in case they dont feed their habit. The thing is they are really casual so commander should be easy for them unless they try to make their without any synergy and try to do to many things

>>47981820
Also felt bad for the girlfriend she was cleary bored sitting there.
Hope it gets fun for her since you can tell she only plays bcuz the boyfriend.
She wanted to trade new foil sorin and arlinn for my lily of the veil

Somewhat new to EDH here, what exactly does it mean if a deck is made to be political? Is it alot of cards that are a "You scratch my back I'll scratch yours"?

>>47981979
Basically; It also means you're giving other people reason to fuck with anyone else but you.

>>47982055
So its almost like a group hug deck, but more focused on getting everyone to screw everyone else rather than helping them?

>>47982101
Think more along the lines of "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" instead of "please no attacks"

>>47981820
>>47981932

>casual so commander should be easy for them

I got a friend that runs Endless Whispers + Phage as a gimmick deck, so he's mad casual. I hand him my really simple Gisela deck, it's literally just SMASH until you win. He had no idea what to do. I even showed him what to do (turbo into sunforger and then I'll fucking tell him what card to rip off of it, general beatdown). It's the simplest deck I got, Marcheezy is hard to play and is a pile of Grixis junk, Gitgud Pepe is in construction (along with a couple of others like Edric) and Roon's turn interactions are too much for him to work with.

EDH is a format that's very complex and not really meant for casuals. Like if you browse EDHREC and read into the format, you can very easily pick up on what's good, what's bad, protecting your commander, commander redundancy, etc. But casuals won't do that. They'll just netdeck or just throw shit in, expecting to have all their combo pieces at the right time. They don't plan for worst case scenarios, just the best case.

You can't help them git gud, because git gud is a state of being. You must be willing to learn to get better, and wizard practically pukes out "run 60 cards with maximum copies of your cards," in all promotional shit, even at kitchen table level.

The gf is probably bored and needs some token spam decks. Bitches love the BWF (big wide field), just make sure she has enough token cards. Literally every girl I know loves going wide

>>47982121
Alright, thanks!

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>>47976574
I've since cut this from my Mizzix but it looks so fun, it's not like 1U is so hard to pay after the fourth or so experience counter.

I also wanted pic related to work in any deck so hard.

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Why is there twice as many Newzilek decks on EDHrec than Oldzilek?

Opinions on Skirsdag High Priest in Prossh?

>>47982297
Newzilek is more interesting

>>47982429
Depends entirely on your meta and how good a 5/5 demon is in your playgroup. Though I might just play dragonmaster outcast at that point instead. Honestly though, I'd probably recommend something less exciting like a signet or a nature's lore because getting prossh out a turn earlier is really good.

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I need ideas for more cards for my Mizzix deck, /EDH/, any recomendations?

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>>47980764

>>47982122
I decided the guy should try our deck to see why you run 60 and why its important to have few cards and what is important to have multiples
While the girl gets to try my friends token black and white deck and green and white populate
What im worried about is where we meet they will see the big pile of cards we dont take use and focus on that. But luckly my friend who host the games at his house. His mom and dad are back and there meth heads who always get in fights so most we might have to meet at a libary or something

I need help with this Newzilek deck
Any thoughts? Advices? What should I add/ Switch? Any interesting things to pull off?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/embrace-the-void-1/

>>47982477
I've thought about Dragonmaster Outcast. Its on the consideration list, at least.

>>47980764

>gw
You got SquirrelCraft. Make sure to wait until you got enough mana to cast it and one basic untapped. You have so many token engines in those colors.

>>47976574
Ojutai is such a fucking asshole, i bet he can speak their tongue and just uses draconic on purpose.

>>47982942
He totally can. He had a chat with Shu Yun before he blitzed all the Jeskai monasteries

>>47976700
Repeatable 2/2 fliers for 2 is bad? Not phenomenal, sure, but bad?

>>47983371
It's bad because you're paying 6 for the first one in addition to the cost of each spell. 1U on every noncreature adds up after a bit.

>>47983371

I feel like it's really outclassed in blue by talrand, and other colors by many token makers

I wouldn't call it bad either though just overcosted

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So WoTC is resorting to more Unglued mechanics.

How viable can the "Mend" mechanic in EDH would be?

>>47984274
"Meld", not "Mend"

>>47984274
Not great, but I don't care, I love this sort of thing.

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What are some must-haves for Sigarda human tribal?

>every human lord
>Cathar's Crusade
>all the Hexproof/Shroud equipments

>>47984274
Wait, how is this an Unglued mechanic?

>>47984274
That means, can you make a commander out of Brusela, if it likely means you need to Meld two cards first?

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>>47984346

>>47984274

Its Probably going to be completely unusable in limited and, constructed. You need 2 cards for some merger crap that probably isn't even worth it. Look at that one. You pay 7 mana for a 5/6.

>>47984371
You play two playable commons and have the chance of getting extra value out of it. You seem to forget what constitutes a good common in limited.

>>47984371
>You pay 7 mana for a 5/6.

I think that if it was just 7 mana for a 5/6 it'd be awful, but you get a bit more than that.

On curve, Graf Rats isn't terrible. Most of the creatures in SOI (again, pending more in EMN) are very small, so a 2/1 can easily trade.

Then turn 5 (again assuming curving out), cast Midnight Scavengers and return the Graf Rats to your hand. Turn 6, cast the Graf Rats and then you meld into the 5/6. Plus, I'm sure that the 5/6 will have at least one keyword or ability. Also, in SOI a 5/6 is pretty damn big so who knows.

>>47984371
You're under the assumption that it would only be 5/6.
Sure it could still be 5/6, but we have no idea what abilities it'll have.

>>47984452
>>47984466

Ok. You still have to pull both sides in a limited format.

>>47984469

It literally says "5/6" on the card like all flip cards.

>>47984497
They are both commons and only okay, you will be able to get both if you want to.

What he's saying is it might not be a 5/6 vanilla. It would be a crazy good deal if it turns into a flyer, for example. Mahamoti Djinn is a first pickable card in most limited formats.

>>47984497
That it does, my mistake!

>>47984511

It's a common, I highly doubt it will have anything relevant, especially not flying since its from rats and people.

>>47984497
>Ok. You still have to pull both sides in a limited format.

Well, I'd agree here - you do have to get both. Luckily they're commons so you're quite likely to actually see them quite a bit in your pod.

In Sealed, it's a lot less likely.

Still, with both I think it could be decently powerful pending additional spoilings from the set.

>>47984584
I may be wrong (probably, since I'm getting back in for the first time since theros), but this'll be a small set, and we'll be drafting SOIx1 + EMNx2, and there will only be more EMN in sealed, and since this is quite in flavor, I imagine there will be quite a few pairs. That in mind, it seems likely that you'll be able to pull at least one or two pairs, assuming that its not a one or two color mechanic.

I have a feeling this is either going to be really amazing in limited only, it will be completely unplayable in any format at all, or there will be a pair that defines standard. I will be shocked if this ends up being just 'meh'.

>>47977054
Yes, different players enjoy different archetypes. All archetypes have weaknesses too, if you can't accept that targeted spell/ability resolution is subject to the affected player conceding then don't get salty when they do what's exactly hard-coded in the rules to fuck over your strat.

>>47984343
Sigarda 1.0

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I'm going to rebuild this bitch after 6 years of taking is apart. I pretty much have every Telepathy/Peek effect, Gilded Drake, C. Sphinx and a whole lot of other goodies.

My question is: What are the primary targets I should get with her ability? I don't want to use every single creature with flying, rather just make it a toolbox of 8~ important ones that are still good. (Gilded Drake, Avacyn, Diluvian Primordial, etc)

>>47985148
Iona

>>47985148
Avacyn 1.0
Medomai the Ageless

>>47985191
>I've had an FtV Iona sitting in my stock for who knows how long
Good shit. In.
>>47985221
Avacyn's already in. Medomai's so going in.

Keep'em coming

>>47985235

Chancellor of the Annex
Blazing Archon
Gilded Drake
Consecrated Sphinx
Diluvian Primordial
Karmic Guide/Reveilark
Linvala
Akroma
Serra Ascendant [it's just good for any white deck]
Sunblast Angel
Vendillion Clique
Yosei
Voidstone Gargoyle
Windreader Sphinx

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>>47982782
Anything But Mizzix

>>47985374
dont forget Diluvian Primordial, and personally i would throw in Akroma too...

>>47985374
Of that list, I can see Linvala, C. Sphinx, D. Primordial, Karmic Guide, Reveilark, Gilded Drake (Sower of Temptation for that matter), Vendillion Clique and Voidstone Gargoyle.
Yosei I considered but there isn't much in the way of sacrificing him so I can't really create a soft-lock as much as I would want to in a Karador deck.
Windreader Sphinx I find at first being a thing, but seeing a friends Talrand deck use it to full effect, I doubt I will get as much milage with this as much as, say Consecrated Sphinx. Akroma is fine, but I feel she's too expensive for the final build.
>>47985480
^

>>47985657
oh, didnt see d. prim. and akroma is only 5 bucks, timeshifted and legions printing.

>>47982782
Flash, bribery, reiterate, any ritual lincluding dragon rage. Steal everyones creatures

>>47985148
Sunblast Angel is one that I ran when I has an Isperia deck

>>47978693

Do shitheels actually do that? Christ alive...

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>>47976574
What's your favorite playstyle?

Mine is being competitive.

>>47987680
I love it when a tactical scoop triggers players

>>47987712
Most just consider it very poor sportsmanship. I can imagine that 'tactically scooping' will result in more and more people unwilling to play against you in most playgroups.

>>47987680

It's the only thing my playgroup has ever asked someone not to come back for doing. I have no idea why people think it's a remotely acceptable response to losing a game.

>>47987747
I guess your playgroup might have some pretty thin skin. It's met with laughs at our LGS since some guy just got blown out by an unexpected suicide.

>>47985148
Why am I seeing so much of Isperia in these threads recently

>>47987841

It's a meme

>>47987756
>I have no idea why people think it's a remotely acceptable response to losing a game.
...Because there is no reason to assume there is something wrong with conceding?

It's not very mature to assume that your own feelings form an ethical baseline and that others need to justify why deviating from it is "acceptable." It would be more objective to address why you seem to believe it's not acceptable.

Something like this might come up if a player has a creature with lifelink, and expects to gain life from a lethal attack. Why is the attacking player entitled to gain life when nothing in the game would cause him to do so? Why does this trump a player's right to leave the game?

Furthermore, why should leaving a game at one moment discourage a player from participating in the next one? This is some amish shunning bullshit.

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>>47987685
Isperia is not a competitive general.

>>47987868
How is it mature to ruin the game for someone? Anyone I've met to "tactical scoop" has been a complete brat and they think they're being clever.
They're being less and less frequent though, since everyone hates them, even those guys that benefit from their actions.
Salty enough players to ruin someone's fun out of spite aren't good players nor company either way. Besides, why should I have to play against a salty faggot who isn't even a good sport? I can choose who I play with.

>>47987929
>le salty meme
Found the black guy

>>47987929
>How is it mature to ruin the game for someone?
The game isn't ruined.

>Salty enough players to ruin someone's fun out of spite aren't good players nor company either way.
There is nothing salty about conceding. You should be able to enjoy a game without expecting charity from a player you are about to kill. Players can be good company whether or not they will let you get your lifelink from attacking them. That is, unless you take differences in how people play the game personally. In that case, you would be the one who is being a poor sport.

>Besides, why should I have to play against a salty faggot who isn't even a good sport? I can choose who I play with.
You can do whatever you want and play with who you wish. He can do the same. Why do you celebrate your freedom, but resent his?

>>47987868
Pick one:
It's taking advantage of a loophole in the game rules to spite your opponents. The only reason the rule even exists is so that people can leave for emergencies or unforeseen reasons without their cards being held hostage.
From a gameplay/flavor perspective there's absolutely no reason that when a player loses his permanents disappear from play, and if there was an elegant solution I'm sure the rules would change. Tactically scooping does nothing to help you win because just by doing it you're losing. The point of playing is to win, or at the very least to play. This is neither.
It's very obviously a dick move, and no amount of waxing on about philosophy and ethics will change that.

>>47987977
>The game isn't ruined.
For him it is, if combat damage was relevant for the situation.

>There is nothing salty about conceding. You should be able to enjoy a game without expecting charity from a player you are about to kill. Players can be good company whether or not they will let you get your lifelink from attacking them. That is, unless you take differences in how people play the game personally. In that case, you would be the one who is being a poor sport.
It's not charity for the triggers going off though, it's merely the normal situation how the game would have went. I don't usually care about for the ebin kingmaking they do, but they surely lower my will to play with them, if it's constant issue.
Still, same people who do that get super pissy when I do it for them, but then again, it might be just the meta I'm in.

>You can do whatever you want and play with who you wish. He can do the same. Why do you celebrate your freedom, but resent his?
They can do it for all I care, but if I happen to care enough to find others to play with instead, I'll do it. They have freedom to play the game however they want if it's okay by the rules of the game, but so am I. As I said, I usually don't care, but if I have a bad enough day or something, I switch groups.

>>47987868

You seem like a huge faggot to be honest.

Sol Ring
Craterhoof Behemoth
Commander Damage
Tuck
Song of the Dryads
Chaos Warp
Reserved List
Polymorph Effects
The Banlist
and now,
Tactical Scooping

Did I miss anything? I spend too much time here.

>>47988040
>Pick one:

Umm?

>Tactically scooping does nothing to help you win because just by doing it you're losing.
Poisonous animals are a faulty design because it doesn't help the animal unless it's being eaten. Except the animals are typically brightly colored to tell you that, and eating such an animal expecting to not get sick because of some self-righteousness is not very smart. This is why the poisonous adaptation is successful. The species isn't salty or spiteful. Use some of your human intelligence to address the situation instead of just being morally opposed to the poison.

>It's very obviously a dick move, and no amount of waxing on about philosophy and ethics will change that.
I could say you are obviously wrong. You wouldn't find that compelling, would you? Why do you expect people to find it compelling when you post something like that?

>It's not charity for the triggers going off though, it's merely the normal situation how the game would have went.
It's charity because you are expecting your opponent to give you something to which you are not entitled.

How the game would have went is just a theoretical. It's just like how the game would have went if you didn't miss a land drop, or if your opponent didn't lightning bolt your turn 1 elf. Does bolting your elf ruin the game, or is it fair play as a result of game mechanics?

>Still, same people who do that get super pissy when I do it for them, but then again, it might be just the meta I'm in.
It really sounds like you have a problem with people that have bad attitudes and just try to use conceding as a vehicle for it. That doesn't say much for their character, but then again, holding a player you personally don't like hostage in a game for the purpose of gaining an advantage sounds equally petty. Sounds like both of you have attitude problems.

I'm tired of doing nothing until I can masturbate on the table for 10 minutes and win, so I'm taking apart my Mizzix deck.
What should I build instead?

Can't wait for the official rulings on meld cards.

Being able to take only one half of a meld as your commander will suck.

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>>47988186
What's this list about? Things that people complain about?
>>47988187
>Being so upset about children's card game with pretty pictures that you have to justify your own failure to grow up

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>>47988221

Blue Braids obviously.

>>47988240
But of course, then EDH rules will change and you can run two (2) commanders in your decks!

>>47988221
Build Melek Storm and do the same thing

>>47988066
>>47988040
if b could kill both A and C that turn, then yes, game ruined. otherwise, if B killed A, A's permanents would have left the field after A's demise, his permanents would have left the field of B, and B would have died anyways. unless B had a way to gain life, or to wipe to come back after that turn, the game's outcome was to be expected.

That said, i usually concede when i know i am beat. if i have no way of coming back, and i would value a new game over sitting there for 5+ turns doing nothing.


>>47988263
or there will be no legendary meld.

>>47988256
No kidding. Human beings have some amount of agency over how they feel, even if what they are experiencing is a huge influence. It's sad that a person would spend over an hour of their precious leisure time on a commander game, and then decide to be unhappy about the outcome.

Life would be so boring if the unexpected never happened, or if you never found yourself in a situation where another player decides whether you win or lose.

is this a good budget skullbriar? is there ways to enhance the briar with cards under a dollar?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-skullbriar-1/

>>47988365

Pauper EDH is probably pretty fun.

>>47988256
/EDH/ Arguments: Greatest Hits
My personal favorite is Sol Ring because I change my mind every time. Both sides have good points.
>>47988273
>That said, i usually concede when i know i am beat.
Well, yeah, that's a given. Nobody except the extremely new and the optimistic turbospike wants to sit through a decided game just to watch the winner go through the motions.

>>47988273
Well, we can assume that afterwards B would have had blockers from A and would have won on his next upkeep. Some people do care about winning in a casual format, I care about good match, outcome is irrelevant.
>>47988304
But this isn't a life, it's a casual match and build up to a win feels hollow if someone just says "lol no", and even so, it's cheap way to hinder someone without packing enough outs.
Most of my decks never rely on combat so I don't care, but then again, most people I play with only scoop if they are manascrewed or gotten to a point where they can't recover, for example having their permanents stolen. Most of my decks are built in a way that most of the wins are from opponents scooping, so tactical scoops don't touch me really much. If I steal every permanent and someone decides to not to scoop, the game isn't gonna be long either way.

>>47988386
nice meme. no one plays pauper.

>>47988413
well that would certainly be true B would have had blockers, but what we don't know is if the attack on A would have been enough to kill A.

>>47988409
Well there has been some about Shu Yun, Scarred Puma, shitty white draw engines and so on, but I'm not sure if those fit in the criteria. I think that in every third or fourth thread someone complains about something new and rest of the threads are mostly shitstorm about that.

>>47984343
All the hatebears. Thalia, Glowrider, Ethersworn Canonist, Containment Priest, etc.

>>47988479

>cast Craterhoof
>swing for 250,000

Any responses? :^)

>>47988186
You forgot Tooth and Nail and Iona

>>47988187
Your condescending tone and unnecessary over-explanation make you sound extremely douchy. Christ.

>it's rattlesnaking
Except it isn't always. Unless you tell him you're going to scoop beforehand, it's just pure spite. In that scenario, ruining his win was more important than staying in the game. Also it's STILL taking advantage of what I consider to be out-of-game factors to coerce other players. Again, the rule doesn't exist for this reason, it exists to help the game deal with extenuating circumstances and emergencies.
>morality is subjective
Again, I really don't care what you say. It is a dick move. I'm not going to break it down because we both know it's true, you just don't care.

You didn't address my other points, have a go.

>>47988525
Remach

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>>47988537

That thread was gold.

>>47988479
Scarred Puma is just some idiot trying to force shit

I started the Shu Yun posting

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>Forgetting about this oldschool meme

>>47988537
That was a truly special thread

Though I preferred the guy posting his fuckawful Anowon deck with like 4.5 average CMC but only 29 basics and a Dark Ritual as his mana sources, because he was completely incapable of taking criticism

>>47988525
There's just so many answers, and in every color. It boggles my mind that someone could even be upset about an eight(?) mana wincon.
>>47988529
Tooth and Nail isn't even that bad, is it? Again, so many answers and it costs so much mana. Iona seems like BS, though I've never played against her.

>>47988537
What did I miss??

>>47988578
I've seen people complain about both. I think T&N is fine, because it costs so fucking much to pull off. Iona in the 99 is OK but running her as a commander is dickish, though not impossible to answer

The story about the guy who absolutely annihilated an Iona player with an Aggressive Mining is the best

>>47988598
I haven't heard that story

>>47988530
>Your condescending tone and unnecessary over-explanation make you sound extremely douchy. Christ.
Read you loud and clear.

>You didn't address my other points, have a go.
But anon, I already over-explained. I would have to explain even more to express my opinion on your other points. I guess I could...

>Again, I really don't care what you say. It is a dick move. I'm not going to break it down because we both know it's true, you just don't care.
But you just asked me to address...

This discussion is a shell game to you.

>>47988598
To be fair T+N costs a lot of mana but you're in the ramp color anyway. Like I've gotten 11 lands on turn 5 easily when I play Mina and Denn.

Honestly if T+N resolves you can often just win. And since only one color can effectively disrupt the stack (blue), it becomes kinda hard to just respond. Like go grab any two card combos with it and you're good. Kiki + Zealous Conscripts/Deceiver Exarch/Pestermite, Mikeaus + Triskelion, even just Avenger of Zendikar + Choof will kill everyone. As someone who plays T+N a lot, having "7GG: Win the game" is ridiculous, saying there's "so many answers" to it is pretty irrelevant because there's answers to anything. But if no one has the exact right answer at the exact right time, they just lose.

>>47988618
Guy dropped an Aggressive Mining, then made a bunch of mana to play Donate to give it to Iona, then Shattering Spree and Bust to blow up Iona's entire mana base

It's in the archive

Would it be possible to play a creature-light Gruul deck? I like the "make creatures fatter" aspect of RG (Giant Growth and stuff) but I'm not usually one for running a creature-centric deck

>>47988560
Oh, I didn't forget. I just didn't care.

>>47988734
Dammit, not another one. Now there's two arguments I swing back and forth on. You make a great case, and also now Mina and Denn sound really fun to play.

>>47988755

maybe try to ohko people with atarka world render?

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>>47976574
I have a problem

>>47988755
Run Bobo 2.0 and make the 99 comprised entirely of lands

we yugioh now

>eldrazi angel is two shity monowhite legends
>township is meld between two nonlegends
No
NOOOO

I want to make the new angels work, but they have so many problems.
>only one is your commander, so you need to find the other one
>if you meld them and the meld gets removed, one is in exile so you can't meld them again

>>47989945
Pull from Eternity my nigga

>>47989945
>using either as commanders
>not using someone else and tutoring

So if Gisela is your commander and Bruna is in the 99, and you meld them and attack someone with Brisela (such a dumb name btw), does it count as commander damage?

>>47990071
Not sure, I don't think using either of them as commanders is a good idea anyway.

>>47989945
Run Orzhov colors for Entomb effects and tutors

>>47990097
Who said anything about good ideas?

>>47990133
>putting yourself through the trouble of wrangling the up the other half of your commander a majority of the game

don't do it

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>hey guys let's just recycle the Offering mechanic from Kamigawa
Wizards confirmed for creatively bankrupt

>>47990193
Wish it kept the flash aspect of Offering

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OhShitNiggah!!!

>>47990339
OOOH they are two halves of cards. doesnt that mean if brisela dies or gets exiled, the halves go to the graveyard?

>>47990376
Yeah, also if i's repealed both angel halves comes o your hand.

I wonder if I can use he angel eldrazi as a commander, I mean, being colourless is an HUGE drawback all by itself

>>47990339
>You can now have Sigarda, Bruna, and Gisela in the same deck.
>Sigarda is standing right next to her Resident Evil tier fused sisters
>Sigarda could only weep

>>47990427

My human tribal Sigarda is pleased, ohshit I have to make some cuts!!

Summon Gisela, gets killed, summon Bruna brings Gisela from yard --> fuse

Summon Bruna, brings Angel of the glory's rise --> from the yard --> brings all freackin humans and hatebears, WRECK face.

My Radiant, Archangel deck is also pleased

>>47990410
>legendary creature on the front
Yup, its a mono white deck. Enjoy the colors.

>>47990339
My question is, if I'm running either of the two angels as commander, what happens when they meld? Can the commander ever return to command zone at that point?

>>47990071
Both halves have the flipside and it basically is sac and transform, chandra's flipwalker half still does commander damage when shes flipped, so yes it does commander damage unless the rules committee goes full retard.

>>47990527
Commander damage is damage dealt by commander in combat, correct?

>>47990505
Nigga its a flip card, we already have had flip cards available in the command zone. The physical card itself is what deal commander damage, shit if you can morph a commander it becomes a 2/2 that deals commander damage. Its just a transform commander that eats up another one.

>>47990505
Let's say she gets doom bladed which she cannot because that has a converted mana cost of two :^)

Now seriously, if some1 wraths of god I assume both halves would go to the command zone and if some one were to repeal her i'd be stuck with 2 white cards is hand or I'd assume I can recast her from my hand as a colorless angel... idk anon, I'm waiting for the rules to come out.

On a sidenote my playgroup wont mind that's for sure. Colorless or white, they wont even bother, it'll be fine either way

>>47990576
it will probably work like mimeoplasm, it might become something different but it will still do general damage.

>>47990169
I won't, but I wanna know

>>47990576
If you could make the planeswalker half do damage it would still work as commander damage, I should have said gideon because he can turn back into something that can attack but yeah. Any commander card that can attack no matter what it says on the card at all does commander damage. Humility doesnt even remove this attribute.

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Any tech for this guy other than goodstuff enchantments?

>>47990699
Put karlov in the command zone

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>>47976574
>can't cut shit cards
Pic related. It's in my damia deck. Fuck if I know why. When it's good it's insane but it's so mediocre

>>47990721
Already making a Karlov deck, its more of voltron sort of thing since he works completely differently.

Reminder that nu-Gisela is a chase mythic and baneslayer 2.0
Straight into the cube

>>47990743
Well you better get leyline of sanctity then, not for the exp counter but because the more you play with him out the more unmanageable hate you'll draw in. Hes a very weak card in very strong colors that has zero synergy with said strong colors. People will beat the fuck out of you.

>>47990783
Yeah, he definitely isn't strong compared to Karlov. I was just thinking of how to make something fun with him, since he at least can recover from boardwipes quickly. Probably can't make anything other than a casual deck to play against friends with.

I got super busy and never responded to a bunch of people last thread so thanks for the comments/help with Kraj errybody :v

I have plenty of mana ramp so yeah Steve can probably go, even though I love the card. Ragworm can go, since it's basically just a more expensive Horseshoe Crab. Grand Architect is half of infinite mana with Pili-Pala, but I could just take them both out and toss in a Deadeye since he provides a bit more utility anyway, and I have enough ways to make infinite mana as it is. I had thought about adding Prime Speaker, but I'm not sure I even really need the draw power. I know Aluren can backfire, but I have so many 3 drops, and worst case scenario I can always blow it up.If anybody else wants to take a look >>47960370

whats the best way to reliably get auras back from the graveyard in Esper colors?

>>47991293
Hanna

>>47991293
ship navigator, shuffling your library and graveyard back together with time spiral and tutoring it back with the billion white enchantment tutors.

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ITT:
Alternate Dragons

>>47991392
But this is the Commander general

What are good cards to have in a Newzilek deck?

>>47990699
Don't listen to the faggots who suggest another general/color combination. Daxos is not hyper-competitive, but can be fun to use if built properly. Daxos is already a good Enchantress general by sheer virtue of being a mana-dump. No Green/White/X general has that luxary.
>But you miss out on Argothian Enchantress and the rest of the enchantress package
We get Phyrexian Arena, Necropotence, and tutors. All we need.

One thing is for certain: Daxos' potential is unlocked once you have Serra's Sanctum. Go buy one. Even if you end up taking Daxos apart, its still a good investment for the future.

My Daxos deck runs like an Enchantress control deck.

Early cards that protect Daxos (Mother of Runes, Flickering Ward, Angelic Renewal)
Cards that disrupt your opponents (Bottomless Pit, Necrogen Mists, Rule of Law, Painful Quandry)

Skybind is a must have. Goes well with Gilded Lotus and aforementioned Serra's Sanctum.

Run plenty of Tutors. My own deck runs about 8 different ones.

Akroma's Memorial and True Conviction will be your finishers. Ifgaf if Memorial is an artifact, it's effect it too powerful to pass up.

Daxos scales incredibly well in the late game. He will feel clunky with casting Enchantments and not using Spirits right off the bat, but he aims to be an investment.

>>47991477
A better commander. His abilities are already a little awkward and he's not nearly as strong as Newlamog, his old self, I'd even put him behind new Emmy, but there's not a lot to build around with him that isn't colorless goodstuff.

If I had a Newzilek I'd throw it in my Avacyn deck for sure, but I wouldn't ever try to make him a commander.

>>47991555
Newzilek is just more affordable for me right now and he's a bit more interactive then Newlamog

Also the people I play with would probably me mad that I exile part of their library on each attacks

>>47990071
Yes, if the melded card is the same physical card as your commander, like it's Gisela on the other side.

>>47991580
And you're hellbent on monobrown?
Trading Post, Junk Diver, Myr Retriever, Haunted Fengraf, Codex Shredder, Buried Ruin.
These are all things that can get stuff that you discard back to your hand so you can use them to counter again. Otherwise just shove in a whole lot of colorless ramp and a whole big range of CMCs, and keep an eye out for ways to bounce Newzilek to hand so you can recast him.

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>>47976574
I play Zedruu. "Shit cards you can't bring yourself to cut" is the deck's theme.

>>47991744
Monobrown?

But yeah. I thought about going 5 colors since many colored Eldrazis are pretty cool but I don't like any of the 5C commanders that much

I'm also glad I can't be deal with with shit like Iona and protection from colors

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>>47991798
Slang for colorless because of old borders.

>>47988413
>it's cheap way to hinder someone without packing enough outs

It's a rule of the game. If someone doesn't like it then they shouldn't let their strategies hinge on it.

>>47988578
>>47988598

Iona's a nine drop and you're only hurting yourself if you put her in the commander slot

>>47991861
Ooooh ok.

Does anyone have suggestions for what I should play for a mono-black and mono-green deck? I'm thinking of doing $20 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed.dec and possibly Seton druid tribal.

If anyone plays either, what are your experiences with it? Do you think they can keep up with a tuned Nekusar?

>>47988969
I play this and Conversion in my Boros/Orzhov decks, respectively

How do I make voltron viable in multiplayer? Seems like end up to powerful in 1 vs 1 and lacking I. Multiplayer. Since your only real strong suit is your beefed up one person vs everyone else

>>47989945
What is sissay for 100

>>47991365
>>47991382
Thanks, I think I have one laying around in my bulk boxes, can't believe I forgot about her

>>47992012
Because it's exactly that. Voltron's about going tall and mauling someone in just a few hits, one optimally. One creature is easy for an entire board to answer.
Just use an evasive commander like Kaseto or one that hits so hard it's tough to stop, like Rafiq or Zurgo. Even if it's not top tier it can still be fun.

>>47992012
1. be quick, the faster you can voltron and remove players the easier it is for you to stay in game.

2. use commanders with inbuilt evasion

3. pick your targets carefully, certain decks/players may have more tools to stop you then others, if you can remove

4. Mass land destruction, if your commander is voltron'ed and ready blowing up all lands is probably the most direct route to prevent enemy players from stopping you.

>>47992012
Bruna, your progress doesnt stop with your voltron tactics.

>>47992012
multiple combat steps

>>47991487
>Serra Sactum

That's a good call, forgot it existed. Pricey, but not buying expensive cards is just a generic policy I have, can break it any time. Last time I bought a 40 dollar card, it was Damnation and that worked out well. Goes in any black deck and is now worth double that.

>>47991943
For mono black I just put together a really great and pretty cheap Endrek Sahr deck. It's tons of fun to play and has actually performed really well. There's a couple of expensive pieces in there (Cabal Coffers, Urborg, etc) but they're mostly fluff or because I already had them. Only expensive card I think in the deck that's 100% necessary is Phyrexian Altar.

Also $20 Mikaeus deck isn't really a thing any longer, since Mikaeus himself costs over $20 now.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/aaaah-kozor-some-say-kozm/

Newzilek guy here. I apreciate any suggestions you guys can give me

>>47990339
Guess it's time to build Gaddock Teeg again.

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Sweet new staple. Aww yiss.

>>47992651
Oh God that would be a nightmare

Am I cancer for playing stax effects?

>>47993569
No, anon, you are the cure.

>>47993569
>>47993683
Youre the disease that makes cancer not matter, which is much more acceptable to die from.

>>47993569

Depends, do you run sol ring mana vault, monoliths, voltaic key, etc etc?

Fast mana is cancer and stax is better with fast mana, good stax decks are cancer as hell

Budget stax decks are fine

>>47992983
That's going right in my kataki deck. Can't wait to use it to fetch a serra sanctum or nykthos or something.

>>47993751
Amen. I'd much rather die from someone smokestacking me down to nothing and slowly beating me down with a mishra's factory, than to die to some faggot who ramped out a t4 TnN entwined.

>>47993927
I do have sol ring, voltaic key, basalt monolith and Thran dynamo. Deck is still under 150 though

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>>47987685
>>47987912

>>47978620
If you're playing green it should just be normal ramp instead

>>47994067

you take that back.

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>>47994067
>Arrow points to missing color of a correct color wheel

>>47993927
Someone's mad

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>>47994067
>>47987685
>>47987912
IM A CASUAL

IM A CASUAL GUY

EV-RY DECK MADE WITH SHELDON IN MIND

>>47994067
Say that to Titanias face bitch

>>47992012
Don't play voltron

>>47995077
GREEN IS NOT A COMPETITIVE COLOR

Anyone here run a competitive grenzo deck?

I heard he could be really fucking gross but I'm having a hard time seeing how, even if he only takes 2 mana to cheat.

>>47992012
Land destruction

And your threat assessment has to be on point, if you know someone is capable of dealing with you quick, smack them first

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>>47987685
Now when you look at this card tell me please, what do you see?

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>>47995318
Completely fair and balanced, checked out by this busted card.

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>>47995346
Maybe to you, but not to me.

I see a turn two win, going off and ending the game.

>>47995411
I think that guy's funnin' with ya, anon

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what graveyard recursion tech can i use for anafenza

>>47995488
There's Sheoldred, Phyrexian Reclamation, Rise from the dank relms, Prob one of the lilianas, oh yeah second sunrise, and faiths reward. Kinda e witness too

>>47995488

Not that because it banned.

>>47995488
Not that nigga, since he's banned

>>47995488
Sepulchral Primordial if you want to steal other people's dead creatures

>>47995580
well fuck me, guess i'll have to try the black dude

>>47995318
Hagrid.

Can I Imprint Boom//Bust on Isochron Scepter and use it to cast Bust?

>>47990339

So much effort for Brisela to be a commander. Which side do you think would make the better leader? I'm leaning towards Gisela because she's cheap with decent keywords, but Bruna can bring back shit like Gisela but at the cost of 7 mana.

>>47990485

I might have to put Saffi back together for that exact reason. Angel of Glory's Rise is just plain good with Bruna.

On that note, what happens if I use Saffi on Brisela?

>>47996184

>instant

>>47996235
Hurrr I'm an idiot

Thanks

>>47992012
Fast mana, Mld, and other slowing affects (orbs)

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>>47994862
>>47987685
>But what will you ban? And when will you ban it?
The banlist is important and I am a judge.

>Is the banlist even good?
>Does anyone know?

>Maybe the bans are a list of Sheldon's preferences. Cards he doesn't like that-

Meh, meh, meh, meh MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH MEH

>>47995346

That card is so good, we might just have to unban Recurring Nightmare!

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Hi, I'm building my first EDH deck using brago.
What are shit cards in here that I need to cut immediately? What cards are missing that I should probably put in?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uw-brago-flicker/

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Am I being a big enough asshole?
http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/211820

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>>47999187
Uh, oh, someone posted a BAD DECK

BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK BAD DECK

>>47998500
Sheldon annoys me as much as the next guy, but his mention of mardu woe-reaper was wildly misinterpreted.

>Mardu Woe-Reaper: I both love and loathe the idea of more and better graveyard hate available in the format. I love it because other people like to abuse their graveyards. I loathe it because I like to enjoy my graveyard responsibly. Graveyard hate continuing to get better leads to a conversation about Recurring Nightmare. Yeah, that conversation.

Mardu woe-reaper was just a topic starter for how the slow trickle of graeyard hate cards doesn't make recurring nightmare any more healthy for the format.

Graveyard hate is a double-edged sword. It helps to keep Meren in check, but it shuts down weaker commanders harder than Meren. The end result is Meren gets ticked down from "broken" to "pretty good" while other commanders go from "almost good" to "more or less fucked."

>>47999225
You going to shitpost about it or say what would make it better.

>>47999187
New Thalia being commander? Wanna be an asshole? Use something else than a worse Kismet in your command zone.
>>47998524
Cut:
Helvault
Tapestry of the Ages
Archon of Triumvirate
Renegade Doppelganger
Master Splicer (maybe)
Vengeful Archon
Archangel of Strife
Djinn of Wishes
Windreaver
Scroll Thief
Angelic Arbiter (maybe)
(Why is Magus of the Tabernacle even here?)
Planar Collapse
Rebuke
Add at least those Rishadan fucks and Mulldrifter. Peregrine Drake and Cloud of Fairies are solid too.
Also add some mana rocks, Strionic Resonator and maybe something that gives double strike and maybe swords if you gots 'em or the dosh. You have some weird cards that don't synergize at all with your commander or what he does, or are just plain bad.

>>47997634
Bitchboy there trying to look tough.

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Let's say, theoretically, I am in a Commander playgroup that might become a league or something. What makes this situation awkward is a combination of two goals.

#1 I would really like to avoid playing in a broken format that's a shoddy imitation of vintage.
#2 I want to avoid forcing the players to resort to excessive self-policing and relying on politics to hate players out of the game.

A very common solution I've seen to these problems is to have some sort of Sheldon point system. These kinds of rules are often so nebulous that they would do a poor job of solving the problem in my area. Does /edh/ know of any other ideas to help patch up the decayed and outdated edh rules?

The simplest idea I had was to take some inspiration from french duel and the competitive multiplayer edh community to determine what would improve the ban list. The biggest potential problem with this is discouraging pickup games if the list has any bloat cards that might turn a player away or force them to change their deck. There is definitely some low-hanging fruit available here though, because absolutely nobody packs food chain in their deck without the intention of having consistent and early combo kills.

A slightly more creative idea I had was to have a bully list. If you have any cards on the bully list, you must note them so that the group can potentially counter them. I feel like this would be a great way to give players options for beating powerful cards without forbidding them completely. The drawback to this approach is that it requires sideboards in order to work.

What are some other ways to potentially help the edh experience? Pic related, it's a post from the edh rules council from years ago, back before they completely gave up on making a list that isn't excessively dependent on the crutches of a gentleman's agreement. It's amazing how easily a design philosophy can be corrupted and turned to shit.

>>48001009
Either you play with friends and a gentleman's agreement or you play Vintage singleton. Sorry, that's it.

League rules just warp the meta. My local store had all sorts of rules, and the rule against early game KOs pretty much made aggro useless and combo mandatory. Honestly less fun that just letting them try their damn combo 5 minutes in and countering it.

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You have 10 seconds to explain why you're not running the most fun commander in the format.

>>48001079
Because Dragons are fucking gay.

>>48001079
Literally a worse Scion.

>>48001079
Because I already do

>>48001079
Mono-red dragons sounds fucking terrible.

>>48001079
Because there are several commanders that are more fun

>>48001096
It's better than Scion.

>>48001153
Nah nigga that's just not true

I play Z-Daddy and while he is fun as fuck, Scion is better overall

>only 3 Meld cards
>all shown already
>no Ludevic/Geralf among them
Please, if there is a god, make it so that we get them as a UB legendary flip card for Zombies.

Also give me Gisa while you're at it.

>>48001376

Gisa sided with Nahiri and therefore Emrakul. Do you really want her to have a new card? Because everyone else on that side hasn't exactly turned out ok.

I'm hoping her own insanity saves her from corruption somehow

>>48001376
Why the hell are there only 3? Seems like a waste to make a whole new mechanic for 3 cards.

>>48001088
Fuck you dragons are dope

>>48001727
Since were going to artifact land I guess they wanna see how it goes before we go all voltron and have it be a major mechanic.

I'm ready for swords and robots that combine into bigger swords and robots.

>>48001779
>actually going full-on Voltron
That would be fucking ____OK

Brisela has a fun (for me) ability. Monowhite is a big challenge though, and having your commander be a "only works once" type of deal sucks.

Any ideas to mitigate her glaring weaknesses?

>>48001917

Lots of ramp, as many tutors as you can find for the one you're not using (Planar Portal, that new legendary one, Weatherlight, ect), and flicker effects to try and prevent them from being exiled. Just in case, run Pull from Eternity.

Don't be afraid to use Skyship Weatherlight, either. Two things will happen:

A) They remove it with the tutor on the stack. Cool. Just fail to find and move on.

B) They let you tutor. When you're done, you have priority. Just activate it. Even if they destroy it, you still get Bruna/Gisela. They would need a stifle, which would suck.

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I want to build a mono-color deck for each color. I already have two.
Green: Polukranos
White: Jazal Goldmane
But I'm drawing a blank on the other three colors. I was thinking Tromokratis for blue, but black and red are really giving me issues. Who are good mono-commanders in B/U/R that aren't super heavily played like Gisa, Talrand, and Krenko.

>>48002066

LILIANA
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>>48002066
Godo for red
Patron of the Moonfolk works wonders for a Big Blue-style deck
Lim-Dul for black

>>48002066
Shirei weenies and value
Mistform lord voltron
Marton Stromgald tokens aggro

>>48002136
nix the Marton suggestion-- didn't see Jazal as your white commander. Go Zo-zu land hate/stax

>>48002052
>>48001917
Oops, I misunderstood the meld mechanic. If your meld thing gets destroyed or bounced, both cards go to the zone they are supposed to, face up.

It's not as bad now, but still probably bad.

Still, Gisela is on a super efficient body.

>>48002066
Toshiro Umezawa is legit the most fun commander I've ever played. He's really effective at most levels of play (super weenie hut jrs level casual to almost but not quite top tier). I've played him for years, and never regretted it. He certainly offers the most unique playstyle for a monoblack deck there is. All these other fags are recommending you a reanimator style deck. Boring. >>48002107
>>48002126
>>48002136

>>48002163
I love Toshiro Memezawa

>>48002126
>>48002136
>>48002163
So, what I'm thinking then is
R: Godo/Kazuul
U: Mistform/Patron of the Moon
B: Toshiro Umezawa
I'm especially torn between Mistform Voltron and Patron shenanigans. Though, Mistform seems funny as hell to me.

>>48002163
>playing Liliana as a reanimator
>not grindy value

Liliana is the most fun I've had with mono black in a long time.

>activate Overeager Apprentice
>Madness Big Game Hunter
>flip Lili
>Get Zombie
>Cast Liliana's Spectre
>Clamp Spectre
>-3 Lili for Spectre
>Unearth Lili
>clamp Spectre
>Flip Lili
>get zombie
>+2 Lili
>Madness Call to the Netherworld
>get back Spectre

It's a wonderful time.

>>48002276
I've played with Meloku, and I actually think he's a better Patron of the Moon Type general than Patron is. I just ran him with a lot of land shenanigans, few creatures, and mass polymorph type effects to turn my tokens into tutors.

Mistform is definitely interesting, but I don't think it'll last.

>>47996217
I'm leaning toward Gisela too with an emphasis on voltron. Bruna's recursion is nice but I feel it's too passive and reactionary since mono white is going to have trouble consistently getting Gisela out. That said, Bruna is likely to fly more under the radar than Gisela's aggressive beats and things will inevitably end up in your graveyard to be brought back with Bruna over the course of a long game.

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>>48002066
>Black
BE SPOOKY. EMBRACE THE RATTLING.

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>>48002753
>Infect voltron
>Being that guy.
Don't be that guy.

>>48001079
Basically a glorified burn deck.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nin-wip-1/

What do you think of my shitty tech, /tg/?
What wincons should I have?

>>48002975
Darksteel Plate lets you ping one of your guys infinitely, Illusionist's Bracers copies Nin's ability

>>48003170
>Illusionist's Bracers copies Nin's ability
Isn't her ability a mana ability?

>>48003256
Mana abilities are abilitys which as part of their resolution can add mana to your pool, iirc.

>>48003256
Does her ability add mana? No. Then it's not a mana ability.

>>48003274
>>48003284
Oh I see. I thought it means that it requires mana to be activated

>>48002792
I was referring to a skeleton tribal deck, but whatever rattles your bones my man.

Alright, Graveyard Shift Survey Special:
>Favorite color combination.
>Favorite commander outside your favorite color combination.
>Bad card you can't bear to cut.
>First rare you opened
BONUS
>boards you browse when tg is moving too slow

>>48003398
>Orzhov
>Marchesa
>Debt of Loyalty
>Azusa

>>48003398
>Temur
>Obzedat, Ghost Council
>Rattleclaw Mystic
>Rattleclaw Mystic or Dromoka, the Eternal, I forget.
> /toy/ mostly, sometimes /w/ or /wg/

>>48003398

>golgari
>newzuri
>none
>arc-bound reclaimer

>>48003398
>Favorite color combination.
Simic
>Favorite commander outside your favorite color combination.
Gaddock Teeg
>Bad card you can't bear to cut.
Mizzium Meddler
>First rare you opened
Megatog
>boards you browse when tg is moving too slow
formerly /fit/ but now nothing

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>>48001079
But anon, I already do!

>>48003398
>Favorite color combination.
U/R
>Favorite commander outside your favorite color combination.
Doran, the Seige Tower, but I've also meant to build Experiment Kraj's durdle engine for years but can't bring myself to play UG
>Bad card you can't bear to cut.
Furnace Celebration in Slobad Stax/MLD
>First rare you opened
Simic Manipulator(Ravnica babby)
BONUS
>boards you browse when tg is moving too slow
/vg/ and League of Legends are my guilty pleasure.

>>48003592
Zaddy's missing the parts to be a daddy, fampai.

>>48003398
>I really don't have one, but I love drawing cards, so not monoW
>So favorite MonoW? Darien or Kataki probably. Or Frankie Peanuts
>Sibsig Icebreakers in Alesha. I know it should be liliana's spectre, but I like the potential to discard a master of cruelties, or palisade giant.
>Not sure about my first rare, but Aurelia was my first mythic. I was so fucking pumped.

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>>48003667
I know, but Mommy Zaddy sounds awful. However, Mommy Zombie is dope.

>>48003837

Gisa is the reason I have 2 monoblack decks.

>>48003971
Gisa is the reason I've got a boner now.

>>48002327
Got a list? I've always wanted to build that deck.

>>48001079
I actually put a list together because I love janky interactions, but I find that a reliable tutor makes any deck ultimately boring.

>>48005092

The one I have isn't updated, but the general Idea is there.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/11-10-15-liliana/

I cut a lot of the expensive stuff and made it very streamlined from this build. I'll work on updating it now.