Pathfinder General /pfg/

First for ideas for anonymous lewd commissioner.

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>>47875511
Elsbeth being mating pressed by an Orc

>>47875511
second for genderbent living legend iconic masturbating over their storybooks

So, in response to the recent questions about the Autoloader Magazine, the poison effect would have to be integral to the bolt and non-temporary. More than that is up to the GM, but that's how it is written and intended.

>>47875559

>mating pressed

I don't even know what that means!

>>47875604
It's basically another word for missionary

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One thing I'd always wanted to see for Pathfinder is a widely-accepted, fan-made standard for chargen rules. Not quite Pathfinder Society, which is its own league and also shit, but something people generally use with a Name to signify it.

That way, people can have ready-made charsheets and can jump right into the game, with no barriers. People spend too much time on debating what rules they're going to use.

>>47875634

It'd be great if it had some approved 3rd party material too, such as Path of War, rather than just being Paizoshit.

>>47875634
Seeing as majority of GMs flat-out ban all 3pp, that's never going to happen.

>>47875511
Elsbeth/Helen hands-on magic lessons!

One time I had a character that suplexed part of a castle onto the guy that owned it. That was a pretty fun time.

>>47875675
Meant for >>47875643
Stupid software not putting quotes into a sensible order.

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>>47875468
My character disagreed with Pharasma to her face, told her he wasn't going to quit his heretical shit and that he'd face whatever judgement she had for him when he died.
And lived.

He also convinced Naderi to distance herself from Urgathoa.
And still lived.

Basically Golarion no longer orbits its sun, it orbits my characters massive balls.

>>47875634
>. People spend too much time on debating what rules they're going to use.
That's a pretty important part of pathfinder.

Someone who thinks that the ACG classes are broken, someone who thinks PoW and Psionics are the standard PF design should be held to, and another who is only comfortable with 1pp only are going to have different opinions on what makes a good game.

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>>47875468
I'm awake, and got some work done!

Behold: Blood Reaver Bloodrager v2.0, now less clunky so Gareth senpai won't be angry with me. Reworked from the ground up.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vtE5ykBrFbVEia47iXl8Y2SaPzVjFGzGoHrPL0P4KlY/edit?usp=sharing

Things I'm still unsure of
> If the bonuses are enough to outweigh loss of Greater and Mighty Bloodrager
>Does it have access to too few discs
>is the word "Blood" used too much
>is my wording okay
>it it fine to allow Vitae stacking if its gained much later level
> is my wording/word choice okay
>What's that weird smell?
>How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie-roll center of a tootsie-pop?

As always, I am incredibly open to Critique.

I hope I did good that senpai notices me.

>>47875714
>My character disagreed with Pharasma to her face, told her he wasn't going to quit his heretical shit and that he'd face whatever judgement she had for him when he died.
Pharasma doesn't care, m8.

>He also convinced Naderi to distance herself from Urgathoa.
>literally who
Ok

>Basically Golarion no longer orbits its sun, it orbits my characters massive balls.
unwarranted self-importance detected.

>>47875680
>>47875559

Lads, shouldn't Dorian give the green-light on using his character for lewds first?

>>47875760
You're new to the Internet, aren't you?

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>>47875680
>pic

>>47875760
If I'm gonna be honest? As long as it doesn't betray the character(s) I'm alright with it.

>>47875760
In an ideal universe, yes, but lack of approval isn't going to stop anyone from making lewds.

>>47875561
If we get that, the warsoul iconic should be a beam-cannon-toting half-giant that crawled out of Rasputin Must Die.

>>47875845
You would be ok with elbesth taking BGC?

>>47875719
>That's a pretty important part of pathfinder.

But should it be? Wouldn't it be nice if the first day of the group gathering is also the first day of play?

>>47875468
i've seen this picture before, what class would she be?

>>47875845
>pic
So it'd be cute and awkward? Even better!

>>47875892
>not delicious drow pussy
What's wrong with you?

>>47875845

Hey Dorian, pitch a scene idea for Elsbeth, that Drow chick or Helen. You're their creator, you have more authority on what "makes sense" for them.

>>47875907
Lesbian porn is harder to make good.

>>47875468
Unfortunately all the stories I can think of are from "not 3.pf" or "I was DMing" because none of my current pathfinder DMs give room for awesome.

>>47875941
Firstly, huh? Secondly, why would you commission someone if you didn't think they would make it good?

>>47875939
Helen IS the drow chick, I think?

>>47875733
I'll take a look at this in a bit. Your choice of tone for the fluff intrigues me though; is that tying into the idea that they ended up this way by trying to repress their blood?

>>47875561
I'll actually second that. Mostly for fucking with Forrest

Anyone else remember her response to the goo girl stuff after April Augmented? Great stuff.

>>47875963
I haven't seen the art of the guy offering commissions. That said I wouldn't mind seeing Helen partake and Elsbeth's "bounty" if you know what I mean


Holy shit I feel so cancerous

>>47875983
Ah, Repression.
When you've got a brothel and a bunch of sheep, and you need those victorian-era puritans to start forking the cash over...

>>47875741
>Pharasma don't care
It involved undead, its one of the few things she does care about.

>>47875994
So a genderbent gelatinous cube?
And if anyone dares ask how that's supposed to work its a gelatinous cube, accuse them of triggering your safe spaces.

>>47875983
>is that tying into the idea that they ended up this way by trying to repress their blood?
A bit yeah. The idea was that the reason why they aren't full Bloodragers or Sorcerers is because of either how messed up, or heavily despised their magical blood is, so they try to repress it by learning martial arts, yet it is a vain effort as the blood will always try to surge back forth.

They are born of the tainted blood,
made men by the blood,
and undone by the blood.
Fear the tainted blood

>>47876030
To be fair the gelatinous cubes have humanforms. Mostly I just want to see Forrest's first product's iconic get corrupted a bit.

>>47875994
>Anyone else remember her response to the goo girl stuff after April Augmented?
Nope.

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>All this talk of iconics makes wonder if I should think about writing one for my homebrew once I get a "finished" initial version of the class hammered out
>mfw realizing the wording for the base class implies the iconic is a woman, assuming I follow the same precedent of other classes
>mfw the hilarity that would occur if I just recycled a tiefling I had rolled up with a similar concept, from before I started this whole homebrew venture

You guys are fun sometimes, you know that /pfg/?

>>47876056
tl;dr Forrest is a prude and didn't think the "ooze turns into person" feat through.

It was in the irc chat.

>>47876067

There is literally nothing wrong with female Tieflings.

>>47876067
Hilarity? /pfg/ hasn't seemed to care about the iconics, other than that one dwarf being a poorly done tranny.

>>47875634
I have a set of rules that me and my group of friends use, i.e. 25 point buy, 2 traits and 1 campaign trait when applicable, 2 background skills, DSP and a handful of other 3pp is allowed, and a couple of tweaks to a few classes, namely the fighter and soulknife.

>>47876096
Honestly I don't think the background story was that bad? Dwarf get used for their magic, eventually hates it and destroys what they were used for. After doing so the dwarf is shunned by their own people.

It's not great, but it's not as bad as people say.

>>47876067

What class are you making this Tiefling girl?

Please say Oracle.

>>47876118
>being this illiterate
It says homebrew class

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I'm going to roll a new character
I'll think he'll be a Storm Druid, since I like the idea of both blasting and beating the shit out people as a loud hippo and later as a loud elemental, can't decide on the traits thought

The Oracle with Spellscar mystery too seems interesting, but it looks like it lacks in damage spells despite her signature revelation require spell damage on enemies beforehand, how should it work?

Also what's your favored oracle mystery? They all look cool

>>47875971

She is? Damn, I thought Helen was the barbarian from Eberron with a twink boy friend.

wait... Helen is from the forest, right? What if we got art of her enjoying some animal magnetism.

>>47876170

Heavens for maximum Pursuer.

Life for Oradin.

Apocalypse for Warder.

For just a straight Oracle, you can never go wrong with Lore.

>>47876179
kys tbqh

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>>47876170
>Akumetsu
You. I like you.

>>47875903
Occultist, probably, since her magic appears to be originating from an object she is holding/owns.

>>47876179
I can get behind this, probably won't happen.

>>47876223
That man seems like a nice guy.

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>>47876091
>>47876096
>>47876118
For a bit of context, I originally made the Tiefling as a Vigilante Warlock for a potential Hell's Vengeance game my GM wanted to run on the side. I rolled the variant physical characteristics table for a giggle. I got an 83. My GM thought this was hilarious and approved of the character, but unfortunately it looks like he scrapped the idea of playing Hell's Vengeance for the time being so she's filed away for now. I think I told this story a few weeks ago when wondering where to find good tiefling art, actually.

>the character that inspired me to make the Stregone is a NE, androgynous hermaphrodite tiefling
>once again a borderline joke character winds up causing me to put a lot of effort into something

>>47876275
kek

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>>47876242
He really is. Granted most of the time you see him killing evil people, but the times when he's not on the clock he's super chill and cares deeply about people.

Heck, at the end of the series he sacrifices his own life to grant a replacement body for his dying gf

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You guys are startin' to get weird again.
Not that I'm surprised; I've been floating around here long enough to expect it.

>>47876223
>Paladin
Dude's more like a Samsaran Alchemist (clone master)

>>47876291
>hearts in dialogue
dropped

>>47876291

Akumetsu is fucking weird, I don't even understand the socioeconomic points the author is trying to make and his main character is a fucking lunatic, although it probably is true that a "superhero" who really wants to make a difference should be going after white collar criminals

>>47876449
No, a superhero who really wants to make a difference should be going after politicians.

>>47876481

>politicians aren't white collar criminals

ok

>>47876497
white-col·lar
adjective
of or relating to the work done or those who work in an office or other professional environment.

Correct, they aren't. They don't work and Congress et al. aren't offices.

>>47876519

>politicians don't have offices

>>47876585
>he thinks politicans do work

>>47876640
They do.

Is there a better class/PrC for stacking ungodly amounts of Strength than Brutal Slayer Stalker?
Both in the "this class gives me a lot of strength bonus" and also in the "this class synergizes well with tons of strength" way.
Perhaps it would be better to do some kind of multiclass mix that'd net me Rage and Mutagen and THEN go into Brutal Slayer? Or is there a class that is straight up better for it that I can just put all my levels into?

Attention, anons.
Would you want to play Curse of the Crimson Throne with all DSP and some other 3pp/homebrew (like Beguiler) content on the table, RP heavily encouraged, dramatically OP shit curbed, and optimisation being seen as acceptable?
I am currently searching for a single player to join a group of friends. We're starting at lvl 1 within a couple weeks.
Houserules can be seen here: http://pastebin.com/1XbFAUQp
Most likely start time: Friday around 18:00 GMT

Reply if you're interested.

>>47876967
God damn please I need a game.

>>47877002
Skype: bzflater

>>47876967
I'd be willing to give it a shot.

>>47877016
See:
>>47877007

Is there any situation where a multiclass inspired blade swashbuckler / blade adept arcanist / eldritch knight would actually be better than a full magus?

>>47876170
Lunar if you want to be crazy OP

>>47877153
Casting any sort of utility spell or downtime spell, and if your game is cool with enough cheese that piloting a simulacrum-mech with Magic Jar or [Greater] Possession isn't going to get a book thrown at you.

Is there a race that can have +4 STR as a racial that doesn't cost a bunch of -2s?
Orc is so close to being what I want.
Like I don't mind having some disgusting racial penalty so long as it doesn't fuck my ability scores up.
I just want to be a stronk barbarian who don't need no bull's strength.

>>47877473
no

I want to play a dex focused half-elf Steelfist Commando, but I don't know what disciplines I should take. What would you recommend?

Roast my new campaign rules:

>20 point buy
>no starting stats below 8 or above 18 AFTER racial mods
>"Standard attacks" are now "full attacks". Move and full attack, charge and full attack, etc.
>clustered shot doesn't exist
>crossbows don't need feats to reload them fast
>No 1.5x str to damage or extra power attack damage for two-handing weapons.
>9th level prepared casters only played by dnd/pathfinder pros.

How stupid am I for using these for a new campaign I am running?

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>>47876043
>We are born of the blood
>Made men by the blood
>Undone by the blood

Thank GOD that the creator had the same thoughts I did when I was reading it. Blood Reaver looks nice, by the way!

>>47877591
>>no starting stats below 8 or above 18 AFTER racial mods
Well, fuck you, I want a Kobold.

>>47877591
>No 1.5x str to damage or extra power attack damage for two-handing weapons.
Fuck off

>>47877604
>Kobold
SCALIES REEEEEEEEEE
GO BACK TO FURAFFINITY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
KOBOLDS ARE DISGUSTING PIECES OF SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>47877591
>clustered shot doesn't exist
But why?
>No 1.5x str to damage or extra power attack damage for two-handing weapons.
Pic related

>>47876275
I'd love to see a drawfriend make this character to really give the Stregone an Iconic.

>>47877620
butthurt kobold-lover detected.

>>47877591
They're fine with three exceptions
>no post-racial stats above 18 or below 8
Well, there goes playing Orcs or other options. It'd be fine if it was 25 point-buy where you can afford no dumps, but at 20PB you need at least one stat to be a post-racial 6.
>No 1.5x STR or extra power attack
Not really necessary, especially when coupled with the third complaint.
>What are the 3PP allowed?

>>47877604
Didn't think about that. Exceptions can be made for interesting classes. 5cha orcs are fine if you make it ___fun__.

>>47877611
The intent was to encourage other weapon types. It was also a nerf to damage because everyone has pounce+

>>47877665
It's a minor nerf to archery. Archers can no longer ignore damage reduction.

Also the lower two-handed damage thing is not bait. I'm giving pounce to literally everything, and i want to nerf two-handed a bit so that someone might maybe one time possibly use something else.

>>47877719
Yeah and now there's no reason ever to 2hand, congrats you gave yourself the opposite problem.

>>47877755
>reach
>couple extra damage that might matter at low levels

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>>47877592
golly gosh, thanks anon.

I just hope senpai thinks its okay as well

>>47877769
>reach
Can be gotten with 1 hand easily.

Is Chimera Soul actually, like, worth using?
Or is it a mess?
I haven't really done anything with natural attacks so I can't tell.

How much shit am I gonna eat if I take master craftsman on my character to try to make items.

>>47877807
I don't think so?
There might be something in the "make you own custom weapon" rules that came out, but besides that I can't think of a single weapon that gives reach with one hand.

Plus, using a shield:
>couple extra AC that might matter at low levels.
Isn't exactly so hot itself.

>>47877846
Shield bonus to AC goes up to +7 without shenanigans. Cheaply too, with Magic Vestment.

>>47877846
>I can't think of a single weapon that gives reach with one hand.
Whip.

>>47877203
Tell me more

>>47877910
Checkmate, BUILDtheists.

>>47877900
And by the time you are adding +7 AC any monster that is using physical attacks against you is getting +50 on their attack rolls. it might help you block some iterative attacks. Maybe.

monsters have pounce too.

>>47877910
...yep. Got me there.

But I don't think there is a weapon that you can use with one hand and have reach with that doesn't also need 3 feats to be not-shit.

>>47877932
Half Elf Lunar Ancient Lorekeeper gets Wizard spells, an animal companion with full Druid progression, Cha to AC instead of Dex, and Natural attacks

>>47878011
>any monster that is using physical attacks against you is getting +50 on their attack rolls

But a Great Wyrm only gets like +37 to their physical attacks.

>>47878011
>But I don't think there is a weapon that you can use with one hand and have reach with that doesn't also need 3 feats to be not-shit.
Any reach polearm, Weapon Trick, Choke-up

>>47878068
They also get spellcasting and more natural attacks than most things get, iirc.

>>47878079
Gives you -2 to hit and disallows you from using your other hand to make attacks. I wouldn't call it good.

>>47877719
>The intent was to encourage other weapon types.
And instead you fucked one of the only ones that functioned properly right in the ass.

>>47878068
>hyperbole
Yea I probably shouldn't do that.

I mean maybe the extra somewhat cheap AC means that two-handind weapons isn't the obvious best choice in every possible circumstance?

I'm ok with that.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned what free pounce does to TWF.

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>>47877670
If a people really are interested, I can try to cobble together the notes from the character sheet. I'd express doubt in any drawfriends looking at it, but /pfg/ already surprised me with how much they liked the class itself.

I swear to god if you only want the character so you can demand lewds of her...

>>47878141
...i'm not sure how losing maybe 8 damage per hit is getting "fucked in the ass", especially when you get free pounce.

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>>47878191

>>47878191

Please, give us a description!

Her horns better be big enough to use as handlebars.

>>47878131
>Gives you -2 to hit
a pittance
> disallows you from using your other hand to make attacks.
You weren't going to anyway since TWF sucks. Its essentially the same as the one DSP feat except it doesn't require you to use a shield, meaning its actually perfect for gishes who want a reach weapon. plus the feat is essentially sever micro feats packed into one so you're getting a decent bang for your buck.

>>47878191
Nah, I like character art that I can immediately attach to a class or archetype is all!

>>47878220
>plus the feat is essentially sever micro feats packed into one so you're getting a decent bang for your buck.
"Choose one weapon trick option (one-handed weapon, polearm, ranged, two-handed weapon, two-weapon, or weapon and shield).

You can perform weapon tricks in combat when armed appropriately for that option."

>one
>additional prerequisites

>>47878220
>TWF sucks
...except now you have free pounce so it doesn't suck?

You have to take the changes all together. Just nerfing two-handed by itself is bad, as it's the only currently usable style, but when iterative attacks actually happen a nerf to two handed it probably called for.

>>47878242
each option has about 5 things going for it, and most of them have super minor prereqs like BAB or a few ranks in a skill you would've gotten anyway

If a lich or vampire turned into a dragon via spells, with a return the undead subtype and adjustments or do they suddenly become alive and dragon only?

>>47878406
>If a lich or vampire turned into a dragon via spells
in what manner did they turn? This is important. Most of the "dragon shape" stuff just gives you attribute bonuses, natural attacks, fly speeds, etc.

>>47878406
Polymorph spells never actually change your type or subtype, so they never lose their undead features and never become alive. They're still undead, even if they temporarily have the body of a living creature. Also, undead isn't a subtype.

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What are some items I should look at for taking with my fighter to prepare for as many situations as I can?
Thunderstone
Alchemist Fire
Grappling hook
Potions of Fly?

>>47878458

Dragon shape spells, yes.

>>47878473
See:
>>47878467

>>47878469
The Handy Haversack Pack
http://www.geekindustrialcomplex.com/downloads/files-page/handyhaversackpackv1.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1

>>47878469
Always try to have an AoE option. if guns are available, a blunderbus or shotgun can do that due to the scatter rules, but alchemist's fire also works.

>>47878469
Drop the alchemist fire, grab a tanglefoot bag, maybe some smokesticks, chalk, a bag of sand put it in your pocket, a deck of cards, a whet stone and cloth, manacles, 200ft of rope, best quality you can and in 50ft pieces, some spike/stakes, a blank notebook, a bandolier, several kinds of knives for different occasions, some bloodblock and alchemist's kindness, one of those things for putting a torch or lantern on your shield, 10ft of chain, a cactus, an avacado, and a croquet mallet.

After I take Power Attack can I just spend my feats on whatever as a Zweihander Sentinel if I just want o hit people with a metal stick?

>>47878613
Pretty much, yeah. Although you'll also want Furious Focus too, since you'll almost always only be making a single attack anyway.

You have a ranged option?
It doesn't have to be your main weapon, it doesn't even need to be GREAT, but you need something, once in a while. When you have nothing you end up standing there like an idiot as the rest of the party acts. Then you blame the guy with the gun for being too good because you insisted your claymore will always be the answer to everything, whether it's a hundred feet away or not.

Since accuracy might not be your schtick at range if you're melee, guns help with hitting... as long as they're within their Touch-AC increments. Otherwise get something like a minotaur double crossbow; better to have a long first increment if you can't reliably get in the good one for a gun.


And as
>>47878570
states, it's critical for things like Swarms.


AoE and Range. WANT them.

Damn, /pfg/ isn't even been subtle anymore, blatant advertising by 3pps and pandering to 3pp devs

I noticed DSP has a ton of feats and traits that raise your effective <class name> level for the purposes of certain class abilities.
Does Paizo have that stuff for 1pp classes?
How would I search for it? What keywords should I use?

>>47878931
Well yeah? They run playtests here. We often buy products. But then we also pirate their products, so I dunno.

>>47878931
First off, you're expecting subtlety from 4chan?

Second, none of that is new at all. Whether it's developers advertising their new materials to people on /pfg/ playtesting in exchange for getting our hands on shit earlier, there's always a certain kind of business.

You'll easily see the same everywhere else, from Paizo Forums themselves (yes, even for 3pp) to GITP to arguably the request threads on 7chan.

>>47878931
The DSP people were straight caught shilling a while ago. They post without their names all the time.

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>>47878931
>>>/paizo/

>>47878931
Get used to it, their shill devs even ninja shitpost non pfg generals and always segue their shit product.

>>47878939
ugh.
sorry dude, but even with the DSP stuff... tends to need the exact damn feat or trait name. Not anyone's fault, it's the search that isn't great.

Try "to a maximum" or "character level", and be prepared to trudge through many results.

>>47878977
go back to pol

>>47878970
>caught
Yeah no, just because they posted with names on shortly after somebody "shilled" doesn't mean they are the same poster.

>>47878970
Do they really need to post with their names all the time? If they did it would just be namefagging for no good reason, they mostly have the names when they're talking about DSP stuff and take them off when they're not.

>>47878970
That feel when only half of the post is true. We have had this conversation in the past, anon. I mean, we can have it again if you like, but we've never pretended that we don't post anonymously; we do so so we can discuss without our hats on, especially on stuff that isn't our own work.

>>47878970
Nah, when was this? They wouldn't do this

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>>47878983
>>47878931
suspect samefag

>>47878993
They almost always do this shit stop trying to bullshit your way out of this one.

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>>47878987
>go back to pol
>literally has nothing to do with the current conversation
the butthurt is ripe

>>47878939
Robe of Arcane Heritage boosts your effective level by 4 for Sorcerer Bloodline powers. I think there's an item that boosts monk level for unarmed damage.

>>47878970
Daily reminder that the people claiming shills have no evidence of it beyond them being butthurt. Hell, I can identify spheres people who were posting pro-DSP stuff anonymously and got accused of being DSP shills.

>>47879005
Fuck you too Gareth, nice try though.

>>47879013
If I remember correctly there were even screenshots showing that the posts were not made on the same device.
Which just led to you faggots to scream "BUT DEY USE PHONE!!!111!"

>>47878993
They straight up admitted they post without their names on you fuck.

>>47878996
>there is no conflict of interest in shilling our products while we pretend that we don't make money off of it.

>>47879004
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47675821/#47681756

How retarded of an idea is it to have one side of my Gestalt character be nothing but level 1 dips?

>>47879034
>Samefag
>16 seconds apart
Do you even understand how 4chan works, or are you just trying to stir shit?

>>47878970
>Dev in thread
>Random shitposter flames anyone who has less that positive opinion of their product
>Poster count doesnt increase
I really should take screenshots more often.

>>47878939
Search the SRD for "treats her."

>>47879044
Yes, they post without their names on, never said they don't.
But admitting to sometimes post without name when it's not DSP related and being "caught shilling" are two pairs of shoes anon.

>>47879084
Or maybe one of the 41 posters who aren't the dev disagrees with you.

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>>47878213
>>47878214
>>47878223
>forget where I am for only a moment
>what I just said finally sinks in

I walked directly into this and have nobody to blame but myself. I'll probably toss a better description into a googledoc later. Probably add a cut-and-paste an MSpaint collage of stuff from my image folder for reference just in case. Main points:

>Naturally androgynous all around, leaning ever so slightly to the feminine, with middling height and weight
>Wavy brown-black hair just past the shoulders, and dull grey-blue eyes
>Has a long, slightly fuzzy prehensile tail and lightly curved Horns that form a "crown" on her head she typically files her horns though
>typically wears simple, baggy traveler's clothing to make it easier to hide her features
>has a strong affinity for cold magic, and an owl familiar

I'm bad at describing faces. Pic related is just for the horns, since for some reason it's the only image I have in my folder with that style of horns. A cursory google search nets me that the image's horns resemble a Himalayan Tahr's. I also am definitely not stealing the tail from Priscilla.

>>47879094
That will give you many scary results from Paizo. I recommend against it

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>>47879034
I've said it before and I'll say it again: conspiracies are way more work than I'm willing to invest. I like writing. I don't get paid enough to be the Illuminati.

>>47879053
I mean, you're gonna have one side that's essentially useless abilities?

>>47879084
...You do realize that there are usually around 40-50 posters in here and that the poster count doesn't increase when those post more than once either?

>>47879044
4plebs is down. Did you have that bookmarked?

>>47878970
>>47878931
>>>/v/

>>47879084
or maybe it could be because said individual was in thread before that post? it is possible for people to post on a thread more than once.

Believe it or not, its also possible for more than one person to disagree with you, and for people to actually like well made products that you don't like. PErhaps its also very possible that your tastse are not objectively good, and that your a paranoid little cumdumpster with nothing else to do but scream like a /pol/lack at a rabbinical conference

>>47879041
You do know that the most common way people try to hide samefagging? Just because you say "!!!111!" doesn't mean that it is suddenly not true.

>>47879069
>Guys i totally can't post on my phone while I use my computer.

I'm doing it right now in a quest thread.

>>47879099
I love how the anon posts shilling DPS were immediately followed by
>we don't get PAID money to shill our product, we do it for free.

They couldn't be any more oddly specific in their denial.

>>47879103

>that image

Does she have a no-shirt version?

>>47879149
That quote is grossly taken out of context.

>>47879110
Different anon here. Making a character for a gestalt game, too. Gareth, what would you suggest as the complimentary class for a half-orc Void Prophet Zealot?

>>47879149
>>we don't get PAID money to shill our product, we do it for free.
OR it could be that you don't understand the definition of what shilling is, and instead your just shouting a buzzword like the /v/tard you are all because people like a thing that you don't.

once again
>>>/v/

>>47879182
I don't really do Gestalt a lot, but Void Prophet is a very active class. Maybe snag something more passive or that'll provide feats?

>>47879174
No it isn't. Every time a blatant shill posts a dsp class suggestion and they get called out, they always reply with how they aren't making money.

>>47879195
>guys astroturfing isn't real if you do it for free!
You aren't fooling anyone.

The irony is that these all these DSP fucks do nothing but shit talk Paizo and even has the gall to complain about Paizo releasing occult origins since apparently they "owned" psychic magic.

Literally bites the hand that feeds them. I mean if these guys thought they were hot shit then they may as well produce their own product instead of this piggybacking and see how well they do then.

Lets not forget
>Anon calls them out on their shit
>Posts conveniently get deleted and Anons get banned
Literally ruining /tg/

>>47879103

>baggy clothes
>androgynous
>average height and weight

She sounds super generic, physically. Like you intentionally went out of your way to make her as boring and generic as possible.

>>47877473
Aasimar or Tiefling, bub.

>>47879217
>I mean if these guys thought they were hot shit then they may as well produce their own product instead of this piggybacking and see how well they do then.

You could say the same for Paizo.

>>47879217
Are people suddenly not allowed to complain about stuff they don't like as opinions, even if they're not necessarily correct?

Oh wait, if that were true you'd shut up already, because you're clearly wrong.

>>47879217
if I remember correctly, the complaint was that Paizo and DSP had an agreement that DSP would be the "official" psionics of PF, and then Paizo turned around and renamed their Occult Magic to Psychic Magic, cutting into DSP's sales.

No idea about the nazi mod thing though. I was banned for a bit for posting a healslut there.

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>>47878931
And you figured it out, all by yourself!

>>47879149
I think the shilling that you are seeing is probably just people who spent money on DSP products/ patreon justifying their expenditure aggressively. It's a common sight. That, or it's a member of DSP posting without a trip, which Gareth pointed out close to a year ago.

>>47879000
>That feel when only half of the post is true. We have had this conversation in the past, anon. I mean, we can have it again if you like, but we've never pretended that we don't post anonymously; we do so so we can discuss without our hats on, especially on stuff that isn't our own work.
There is an incredible conflict of interest in pretending to be a consumer while secretly talking about a product you sell.

>>47879217
Yeah, not gonna lie, this is strange to say the least, though bagging out Paizo is the flavor du jour and warranted

They have been saying they're writing new rules though, so they're branching out at least

>>47879215
>You aren't fooling anyone.
Abnon, if I was in DSP, I wouldn't be begging for critique on my homebrew. Take your tinfoil hat off.

also
> Every time a blatant shill posts a dsp class suggestion and they get called out,
I call bullshit. this has really never happened, you're creating your own conspiracy theory narrative from little proof, and I highly doubt they have enough time or people to make EVERY class reccomendation for DSP product for any request at all times of the day.

>>47879217
>>Anon calls them out on their shit
>>Posts conveniently get deleted and Anons get banned
I thought you were talking about /pfg/, not Paizo. Also, I highly doubt the DSP devs are 4chan mods ass well, and most of the posts that do get banned are from retards, like you and virt, who are obviously shitposting.

>>47879284
He just said that they post anonymously about stuff that isn't theres.

I bet they complain about Arcforge and Monster Classes without their hats.

>>47879200
Ah. I was thinking about the latter, though that sounds more in the realm of fighters.

>>47879284
>pretending to be a consumer while secretly talking about a product you sell
AND I QUOTE
>especially on stuff that isn't our own work
Meaning no, they're not pretending to be consumers, they ARE consumers, of products that aren't theirs. As in, they're not shilling. Are you incapable of reading, or are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>47879331
>or are you just pretending to be retarded?
I don't think this moron is smart enough to pretend such a thing

>>47879331
>guys if they said it it must be true! It's not like they have a huge incentive to advertise their own product or anything....

Is taking a one-level dip into Barbarian for Rage a good idea on a Mutagen-focused melee character?

>>47879284
I take off my hate for two reasons:

> Talking about stuff I didn't write without being seen as starting a fight between DSP and another customer
> Shitposting

If it's my work, or DSP's work, the hat stays on. I lose a lot more by lying than I'd gain from it, and to be frank y'all kinda scare me.

>>47879215
Anon, what is it you actually want? What version of this conversation ends in you walking away happy? You've come here every couple of days lately, started a fight, and derailed a thread that was otherwise being rather nice. What manner of proof is it that you want?

>>47879353
Why would they when we do it for them?

>>47879359
Gareth, you don't seem to understand.
He's already won.
He wanted to derail the thread. That was his only goal.

>>47879359
Another company, not another customer. Jesus fuck I need coffee.

>>47879359
I love how you think that theres only ONE guy out there that doesnt like you.

>>47879353
Now you're literally pulling words out of your ass.

>>47879359
>Anon, what is it you actually want?
For you to not use our board as a way to astroturf you product.

>>47879385
:^)

>>47879391
A man can dream. I'm bouncing to work; will be semi-available via phone, someone else may drop by to answer questions if there are any.

>>47879391
Hello Mr. Kettle, I'm Mr. Pot.

Now get back to your cotton field you dirty negro

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>>47879164
I think the actual image is a league of legends character. There's probably another image to go with it, but I don't have it.

>>47879221
Unfortunately yea, that was kind of the point, an outfit like pic-related's with a duller colored coat. She wasn't supposed to be a very interesting character initially. Her background for Hell's Vengeance was that she was an informant who spent all her time trying to just be part of the crowd. If she needed to fit in, she just had to head to her hideout and use a bit of practical stuff to disguise, and off she went. Anything past that was going to just meant to develop naturally over the course of the campaign. Unfortunately campaign is kill, so developing her further got shelved.

It was an excuse to have her be able to wear basically any kind of outfit she felt like for her own amusement.

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>>47879400
>our board
It's a shared internet, anon. It's no more your board than it is Paizo's, or Moot's, or anyone else's.

Unironically saying this, stop being so entitled.

>>47879400
You and possibly one other guy in this thread are the only people who believe this is happening.

Pro tip, its not. You're a paranoid shit faggot. You're the one who doesn't belong on this board since instead of actually talking about ttrpg products all you seem to do is yell SHILL SHILL SHILL at the top your your lungs

>>47879244

I can't wait for them to produce Pathfinder 2nd Edition and shit the bed, alienating all of the customers they've made so far.

>>47879266
That's pretty retarded and cut into nothing

Psionics and psychic casting are different, if anything psychic casting is just a rehash of arcane casting

>>47879359
>I take off my hate for two reasons:
Okay, now you're just lying. The Gareth we know and love would never take off his hate :P/

just ignore the troglodyte, he's salty because Paizo-senpai doesn't love him

>>47879149
Anon, responding to accusations of shilling with 'lol we do it for free' is what is known as a joke. I know this may be a scary and foreign concept to you, but sometimes people imply things that aren't true for the sake of humor.

>>47879520
>ha ha it was only pretend

>>47879507
Sales of Psionics stuff dropped like, 70% or something after psychic magic came out.

A lot of people can't tell the difference, don't care, or the allure of it being 1pp clouds their minds. I recall one story about how a DM running a game set in like, Eberron I think was going to use Psychic Magic instead of psionics, DESPITE PSIONICS BEING WHAT THE SETTING ACTUALLY HAD.

>>47879507
Mechanically, yes, but fluffwise they are very close. And think about it: does Psychic Magic really sound better or more marketable than Occult Magic?

Occult Adventures was Paizo taking pot shots at good 3rd party devs. changing the name to Psychic Magic was a shot at DSP, and the combination of Occultist and Medium were directly aimed at Radiance House (they took the freaking NAME from Radiance House's flagship class)

>>47879540
Yes. It was in fact pretend. I bought a DSP product and enjoyed it, so I posted about it in a thread for discussing Pathfinder projects, which DSP is.

Then I was accused of being a shill.

So I made a joke, intended to mock the accuser for being a thick-headed fuckwit.

Unfortunately, said thick-headed fuckwit has failed to get the joke thoroughly, which was amusing at first, but has at this point derailed multiple threads and thus ceased to be funny.

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Fuck, this shitposter has got me hungry. I need some dinner

Yo Gareth, Have ya got to look at Blood Reaver V2 yet? I'm willing to read any critique you have once I get back from eating.

>>47879540
>doesn't recognize one of the oldest memes of 4chan
leave this website and never return.

>>47879576
That's people being absolutely retarded not some shady business practice

>>47879605
Taking advantage of retardation is a business practice of its own, anon.

>>47879400
Wish granted, since we never started. We'll continue to collect playtest data and answer reader questions.

>>47879507
Erik Mona gave us a wonderful endorsement and emphasized that Occult wasn't Psionics and wasn't meant to replace or compete with psionics. Unfortunately, the community didn't see it that way. Psionics sales are down more than eighty percent; several customers went out of their way to tell us that they were jumping ship. It's, understandably, frustrating.

>>47879605
>>47879589
Looks like conspiracy theorists on both sides of the fence out seems

How is occult adventures and psychic magic taking a potshot at 3pps?

You realize that occultists and mediums are real life things as well?

>>47879576
The Paizo forums actually had very strong demands from at least a few people in regards to something like that.

For every instance of someone on /tg/ saying "vancian is retarded" there's someone asking "why the fuck can't this be vancian, it sucks"

>>47879599
Not yet. Will try after work. Thread may be of help but, then, maybe not.

>>47879587

>The only men are ethnic elves

>>47876233
It's like a decanter of endless water, but spews endless colours instead!

>>47879605
No, but Paizo is deliberately stealing content from 3pp and other Homebrewers.
>DSP announces Psi-Tech
>Paizo puts Psi-Tech in Occult Origins
>Viglante Archetype Stalker in PoW E
>Paizo makes a Stalker Vigilante

>>47879665

How long until they make Vancian Path of War (but worse) and most everyone jumped ship to that because it's 1pp?

>>47879686
Margrave is a maenad thank you very much.

>>47879661

I realize that completely. So answer this: Why not just call it Occult Magic? That's exactly what it is, after all. Why change the name to psychic magic (which frankly sounds stupid)

And how is publishing a binder port and a class called Occultist not taking a shot at a 3pp who's flagship (and only) product is a binder port called the Occultist?

>>47879661
Instead of focusing on the clairvoyant aspect of the Occult they stayed in a vague middle ground between Psionics and "I see dead people".

>>47879699
Stalker/Vigilante and Vigilante/Stalker is a victim of the fact that there's only so many words in the english language.

>>47879624
Common one, too. There have been quite a few recent releases featuring stuff that either undercuts 3PPs (Occult stuff was discussed above) or directly rips themes from playtest material (upcoming Fey expansion, Psi-Tech, etc)

>>47879657
Gareth, I'm the dumb guy who always plays fighter and my group is introducing 3pp content. What's the easiest PoW class, so I don't look like a giant moron?

>>47879657
Yeah, blame the retards though, they haven't actually bailed on their word and upheld their end of the deal
You need to reiterate yours is different

Psionics is sometimes a deal breaker on campaigns as well you gotta realize, people can drop a campaign based on the inclusion of that. Psychic magic is just pandering to the obsession with arcane magic and more easily palatable

Favorite spells?

Mine's Deflect Blame, you can blame a failed interaction on somebody else

>>47879712
>Path of War
>but worse

/pfg/ help me out here. Besides the big over-view map from Guide to Absalom, are there any other good maps for specific districts of the city? Can't find shit.

>>47879712
... actually... wasn't that what they tried with the stamina system?

>>47879716
So an elf.

>>47879751

It's Paizo so.... yes.

>>47879741
Warder.

You have lots of reach, you can mark enemies to penalize them swinging on pals, you're tough as balls.

Outside of that, you just bash dudes in the face.

>>47879736
Eh, be fair. Paizo's had First World since the CRB and used it for at least one AP and many monsters. They're developing part of their setting, not taking a shot at Mists.

>>47879756
More like what the WMH tried to do and failed.

>>47879699
Are they in any way the same? Content or names? Cos that's different
Look how many classes and archetypes exist with the same name in their own products

>>47879716

So he's basically a water elf.

>>47879741
Hard to go wrong with Warder. Alternately, you can still be a Fighter and take Myrmidon.

The recently announced product by the furry and the big dude is blatantly taking a shot at 3pps though

>>47879741
I'm no gareth but unless you want a fighter archetype or something, probably Warder.

It packs most of the basic shit you need to get one way or another as a "front line fighter", so it's pretty easy on the optimization.

>>47879696
Honestly, I'd love to have something like that in the real world. Like a constantly-changing lava-lamp.

>>47879699
You mean names yes?
You haven't actually specified the content they stole

>>47879760
>>47879803
I thought Maenads were Angry Ocean Humans? Is Gareth secretly a maenad, like Forrest is secretly a sylph?

>>47875468
/pfg/ thoughts on a homebrew?

Especially want help with clarifying phrasing.

>Attune Enchantments
>Prerequisites: Creature is CR 6 or higher.
>You gain the Attunement supernatural ability, and proficiency with any one weapon of your choice.
>Attunement (Su): If you spend a minute touching a magic weapon or piece of armor, you may attune yourself to it.
>There is no limit to the number of items you can be attuned to at once, though only a single creature can be attuned to any given item at a time. If a creature is attuned to an item and you attune yourself to it, they cease being attuned to that item.
>To remain attuned to an item you must be within 30 feet of the item for a full minute at least once a week.
>When using a weapon or armor of masterwork quality or better, you may (as a full round action) mirror the magic item enchantments of any item to which you are attuned, to the item you are wielding, giving it a copy of the enchantments on the attuned item, and suppressing any magic enchantments that the mirrored item may have had in the progress. This mirroring works only while you are the one wielding the item. If someone else picks up the mirrored item, it does not have the mirrored effect. If you pick it up again, the mirroring effect continues for you.
>If you are wielding a mirror item, the attuned item's enchantments are suppressed for the duration, and it doesn't detect as magical.

>tl;dr: If you have a magic item you can use other items you have as though they had that items magical properties.

Thoughts:
>The purpose here is primarily to let a character have their enchantments on whatever weapon or armor they are wielding, so they can feel free to change weapons, as well as to benefit from an item that of the wrong type, such as an enchanted dagger to a spear-focused paladin.
>You can mirror to multiple items simultaneously. If you have to pull out your bow it'll also be +3 flaming, or if dual wielding you can mirror to both weapons.

>>47879902
No they are Party People.

>>47879760
>>47879803
If you insist. Shift's starting, catch y'all later.

>>47879778
>>47879840
>>47879858
Thanks. Seems like I'll be taking a look at the Warder.

>>47879913

Female party people, specifically.

So that man's actually a Transgirl.

What a diverse group!

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Help me /pfg/.

My group's been playing through Rise of the Runelords, so spoilers ahead:

The party has hit level 12 after defeating Mokmurian, but after the barbarian dwarf almost died due to being stupid i.e. he tried to shit on the head of the two red dragons that were charmed by the recently slain Lamias and were struggling to get out of the cage - he did not stop when they started to destroy their cage, the DM ruled that death would from now on be more likely to happen, as in, no more saving players from bad rolls or bad thinking. Furthermore, they asked us to prepare a backup character just in case our current character were to die, as there are no divine casters in the party and spells of raise dead - resurrection are hard to come by.

So far, so good, right?
The issue is that I've been playing a god-wizard from the beginning of the campaign. Very lowkey, high-optimization but low-involvement, mostly focused on buffing the party and messing with the terrain, crafting magic items and offering options. Thinking hard on what a back-up character could be, I found myself at a lack of ideas, nothing seems as fun as a god-wizard, or would fit in with the party, which is currently made of a barbarian, a polymath-vivisectionist alchemist and a monk ; so I'd have to pick another support character, and none sound as sexy as a god-wizard.

tl;dr: I'm used to playing a wizard, what is a fun character that I could play that wouldn't be mechanically poor and would fit with other mostly martial characters?

People will drop psionics because it's psionics, occult adventures just gave them a huge excuse

Psionics is part of the stop liking what I don't like meme

Man the orc bloodline is so lame

I mean its literally strong as fuck but its so uncool

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>>47879966

Wait, is being a white male character really that boring?

DSP shils and Paizo conspiracy theorists, strange bedfellows

>>47879997
Forgot to add: 20 pts, most races and DSP allowed; my cohort would be the most likely candidate for a back-up character, as it'd explain why such a high level character is suddenly interested in the characters' quest, but that's an arcanist, so not much of a transition from the wizard.

>>47879997
Debuff cleric.

>>47879912
Seems like something that should either stay in the bestiary, or have heavier requirements. Sures, its super cool and halsp with some of the loot problems, but those can be easily solved by having the GM just go "fuck it, this holy avenger is a spear instead of a trident"

Heck, you could even have this be an extension of Craft Magic Arms and Armor or something.

>>47880059
>20pb
>ie choose 2 stats to have a 7 in

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I'M SICK AND TIRED OF 20 POINT BUY.

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF LEVEL 1 STARTS.

HOLY SHIT WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

ARE THESE CHUCKLEFUCKS FOR REAL? THEY THINK THIS MAKES THE "HERO'S RISE" SWEETER?

>>47879997
God-Psychic, take rebirth psydisc and use witch or wizard spell lists for your floating spell. Debuffing and control.

>>47880104
>spear instead of a trident"
meant longsword, but you get the gist

>>47875899
>Wouldn't it be nice if the first day of the group gathering is also the first day of play?
It is when I GM. That's just a matter of planning.
Before I start a campaign, I send them a google doc that spells out which options are allowed and why, link them a document with any houserules I might be using, link them a summary of the setting and link them to their (empty) google docs character sheet they have to use for their character so I can see their character up to date at all times and so it can't be lost.

I then tell them I'll answer any questions they might have, and give them at least a week to build their character (more likely 2 or 3 weeks), and game starts the week after that. Sometimes I'm flexible about the extra week after having their characters, depends on the campaign, but if the character isn't done at the start of game day they probably don't play.

If game starts at 430 and you don't have a character finished at 430, we start without you. If you want to sit in the corner quietly and build your character so I can fit you in later, fine, but that's your problem, you should have been ready, you had weeks to get it done.

And I should note that all of this is for meatspace gaming. I don't actually do online gaming.

>Building characters session 1
Why do you do this? Then you don't get to play during session 1.

>>47880134

ok

>>47879966
Please tell me this is an extended joke. Also TFW unexpectedly able to post from work today and all week. Still stuck on a phone, mind.

>>47880145
>>Building characters session 1
>Why do you do this? Then you don't get to play during session 1.

You tell players on day 1 that you intend to have a campaign, you hold session 1 on day 2 to create everybody's character, and you can schedule the first game session on week 2 instead of on week 4-5.

>>47880056
I mean, I still wish I was a pretty princess.

>>47875634
You're not going to get a single standard, but you could definitely coordinate a couple different sets of /tg/ allowable campaign rules, and tell your players to build to that standard, and link them a document or the like.

You basically just have to take the time to write it down, and if you want to have it /tg/ approved, coordinate your chargen rulesets with /tg/.

Like >>47880145, but instead of designing the chargen rules from scratch as the GM yourself every time, come up with a list of different standards with /tg/, name them, and then you can just pick one out of the list.

>>47880134
It does desu. 20 point buy is kinda stiff but workable.

>>47880179
>Please tell me this is an extended joke

Everything's a joke, Gareth.

>>47880134
I like how classes don't even design around making it playable. Rogues are supposed to dump strength and make it to level 3 without dealing damage. Investigators are supposed to make it to 4 on level 1 extracts and then suddenly become a combat class out of nowhere.

>not doing 25 point buy

>current year

>>47880056
Your penimisogyny and racism trigger me.
Males are rape and white is racism.

Playing a white male character is like hating women and every minorty out there. How it's even still legal is beyond me.

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>>47880254
>It does desu

Holy shit no it doesn't, it means we're going to spend FIVE MONTHS killing goblins because we still haven't dinged to level 3.

You think that's fun? Do you honestly think spending half a year in levels 1-3 is fun? Does that sound like the "Hero's Rise" to you?

>>47880134
Don't start at 1?

I often do 20PB, but then we start at L4-7, with WBL gear.

If you want to start at 5 with 25PB, why not just do that?

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Is it safe to play synethesist summoner again?
Are the munchkins gone?

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>>47880056
>Wait, is being a white male character really that boring?

It's worth pointing out that literally every white male character is basically ignored and overlooked by /pfg/ and, indeed, /tg/ in general, while non-white or non-male characters are fawned over incessantly.

White and male is boring, it is the default stale bread of character options. There is literally nothing you can do with white men that can make them interesting, they're practically not people.

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>There are games that don't start at level 100, with 700 PB

>>47880288
That has nothing to do with 20 PB, that's the DM not advancing levels fast enough.

>>47880295
>If you want to start at 5 with 25PB, why not just do that?

I want to do that, anon.

But every DM out there insists level 1, 20 PB is better because... Shit, I don't know, because they're idiots?

>>47880104
But then players get super pissy if you sunder their spear, because it's "a n integral part of their character". This way they can draw their sidearm.

Also, if they have to switch to their backup ranged weapon to fight a group of flying wizards or archers, they're not going to be useless for hte whole encounter.

>>47880336
>that's the DM not advancing levels fast enough.

How are you supposed to advance levels that fast when you're playing 4-5 hours a week on Medium advancement.

Fighting goblins.

>>47880179
You said a male character was a maenad. Maenads were mythologically all female.

>>47880342
i like starting level 1. But i try to advance to level 2 quickly, and then three doesn't take very long at all either

>>47880358
Is this an mmo?

>>47880288
1. Spending time as a nobody and slowly becoming someone through sheer determination, balls and some healthy dose of luck is actually my gaming fetish.

2. If you're spending six months at lvl 1 through 3, then maybe the DM has expectations of how the game should go that do not fit yours, and that issue should be addressed so that you're all on the same page.

3. I honestly believe that 20 point buy is fine. While SAD characters will obviously have it easier than MAD characters, that will still be true with anything short of 32 points, and you can still have working martials with 20 points. Not stellar, obviously, but working.

>>47880365

>Is this an MMO

It fucking feels like it sometimes with the way you guys talk on and on and on about esoteric builds like the vast majority of DMs are *ever* going to be that obnoxious.

>>47880056
I've never played as anything else, and I'm always the main character, so I'd say it's for the best to be one.

>>47880364
>Maenads were mythologically all female
And elves stole your children, dwarves had a boner for the sex-goddess, hobgoblins were smaller versions of goblins, and gnomes were earth elementals or lawn ornaments. Names can be used for different things.

>>47880364
The DSP race - adapted from 3.5 - that inherited the name is not.

>>47880056
It's oversaturated, man.

Straight white dudes are overrepresented in the most visible parts of our culture. Shit, a show about Silicon Valley came under fire for having an overwhelmingly white male cast, until they pointed out that they're actually MORE diverse than the actual Silicon Valley, which is like 83% middle aged white dudes and that their casting was actually poking fun at that.

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>>47880317
Is that chick channeling the Personlichkeit?

>>47880390
What do character builds have to do with DMs

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>>47880056

>mfw I always play white guys
>mfw I'm always the only white guy
>mfw I always end up the party face

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>>47880254
Even 10 point buy can reach playability. I think the main thing is that low pb leads to having just a small variety of minmaxed-looking sets.

>>47880358
By the DM using plot-based progression or just varying encounters instead of fighting the exact same monsters over and over again, or just using fast progression? This sounds like your DM being bad more than anything.

>>47880210
>Gathering multiple times in a week.
I rarely have such time; and in my experience even when you gather to build characters, nobody is ready to go afterward, they still take a week to build their characters.

So why gather to build them at all?

If you only want to give them a week to build characters then just give them a week to build characters. Normally I use that as campaign planning time anyways, if I haven't already prepped the cmapaign I'm going to run.

Either way, the point stands:

Send them the desired chargen directions in advance, give them X amount of time to be ready for first session, and on first session, start the game.

>>47880415
as the only white guy on the continent, you're exotic and intriguing, thus the party face

>>47880321
How much you guys want to bet that this guy is really a hardcore white supremacist?

>>47880323
You can't make use of more than 102 points though

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>>47880056
Everything is boring when played only as a race and gender.

White Male Humans are boring
Female Kobolds are boring
Futa Elves are boring
Sexless Robots are boring

Slimes, Rakshasa, Maenads, and Thri-Kreen are all boring


White male characters are only seen as more boring because that is the default of many of us, and our escapism tries to make something interesting to play as instead, even if we lack the skills to actually be creative with the new race/gendered character we made.

Because all of these things are not characters. they are molds, rubrics to be used to fill in and make a character. The problem is many people forget that step, and forget to also advance and cultivate said character further

Until people learn otherwise, EVERYTHING will be boring

>>47880364
DSP Psionic Maenads are essentially Marvel's Submariner. They are boring.

>>47880351
This is why smart player invest in golf-bagging. if they don't, then the DM either makes them learn in a slightly less dickish way, or throws them a bone

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>>47880440

>>47880402
>>47880407
And >>47879966 and>>47879913
were talking about the mythology. I get the different contexts.

>>47880447

>he stops at max 18

lmao

>>47880441
gods I fucking hope not.
I get enough accusations at work, the last thing us pale skinned humans sporting XY chromosome pairs need is some fucking skinhead or neo-nazi claiming he'll build some fucking wall that fucks with people's houses to keep out mexico.

>>47880422
>By the DM using plot-based progression or just varying encounters instead of fighting the exact same monsters over and over again, or just using fast progression? This sounds like your DM being bad more than anything

The DM isn't using plot-based progression, he's using old-school "you take the XP from the encounter."

Problem is, we hardly ever have encounters, and when we do they're drawn out, month-long affairs because the dungeons are HUGE and THINLY POPULATED.

>>47880428
You're preaching to the choir, but I still believe that a building session is fine if you're able to actually make characters during that time, which is totally doable. The idea is that you'll be able to help your players make a character faster by being there in person than from sporadic Skype or whatever messages.

>>47880411
Except that DnD/PF has a heavy medieval fantasy element into it, which is to say, European medieval fantasy, sold primarly to people of western culture, in a hobby that has always been primarily of men? You don't freakin say.

>>47880502
Have you communicated your feelings to your group and to your DM? It seems the issue is a disconnection between what you guys feel is how the game should be played, and not the actual mechanics of the game themselves.

>>47880459
>DSP Psionic Maenads are essentially Marvel's Submariner. They are boring.

Their fluff is that they're emo sailors who scream a lot, and also sparkle in the sunlight.

>>47880502
So talk to your dm about it

>>47880288
>spending half a year in levels 1-3 is fun?
Not even a little bit. But the problem there isn't the 20PB, or even the starting at 1.

The problem is your GM likes running 1-3, so he's dragging it out, and you don't like playing 1-3, so you're not having fun.

I tend to start my players off between 4 and 7, 20PB, and then I determine the rough leveling pacing I want and let the players know. I give XP per session with bonus mission XP, rather than by combat. So if I want my campaign to run from say: 5-15, and I am planning to run it for a year, and we're meeting once a week, then you can expect to gain the 10 levels over like 45 sessions, or gain a level every 4 or 5 sessions.

There's nothing forcing the GM to start you at 1, or forcing him to level you at a particular pace.

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>>47880459
>Because all of these things are not characters. they are molds, rubrics to be used to fill in and make a character. The problem is many people forget that step, and forget to also advance and cultivate said character further

>>47880415 here, and with that line I'm starting to realize why I'm always the party face.

Because every player I've ever been with has been a boring, piece of shit cardboard cut-out that spent more time fawning over their race/class decisions than actually making a character that had an actual, genuine personality or backstory. My generic white guys were more nuanced and alive than whatever catfolk rogue or fabulous princess slayer they could squirt out.

Jesus Christ, why do so many of these people think a quirky race/class combination makes a character? Why do they get so fucking pissy at the DM when he starts noticing *me* more than *them* because *I* actually read his notes and not only made a character that fit within the confines of his story, but actually treated the DM/Player relationship with respect by offering him plot hooks *and* an actual attempt at interacting with his NPCs?

>>47880500
When the elves send their people, they're no sending their best people. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

>>47880342
>I want to play a game but nobody is running a game I want to play.
This I why people become GMs. So you can make other people play the games you wish someone would run for you.

>>47880560
shit, change "who scream a lot" for "vampire" and you've got yourself a movie.

>>47880560
You forgot the Vulcan meditation bits.

>>47880512
More than that, I believe a building session is actually pretty important.

Getting everyone around the table while they invent themselves gives them the chance to collaborate, find out why they know each other, have ties to the world and the group in their backstory. Who gives a shit if they don't get the details done that day, it's still a good exercise.

>>47880358
>How are you supposed to advance levels that fast when you're playing 4-5 hours a week on Medium advancement.
>Fighting goblins.
You're not. He's running stock medium advancement. Your GM wants you to level up slowly. But again, that's something he decided to do, not something he has to do.

>>47880578
>Jesus Christ, why do so many of these people think a quirky race/class combination makes a character?
Because being able to both make interesting and nuanced character that are also mechanically, thematically, and racially unique and nuanced is not a skill everyone has and isn't one everyone bothers to cultivate.

Granted, I always try to make heavy backstories, think of character motivations and personality types, and try to get into character a lot equally across humans and non-humans, but that's mostly because I'm supremely autistic and have had some experience in acting.

Just be thankful that you have one of the talents, and can actually make fun characters. many people can't even do either thing and they tend to be the worst to play with.

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>>47880578
>but actually treated the DM/Player relationship with respect by offering him plot hooks *and* an actual attempt at interacting with his NPCs?

>mfw I always include plenty of hooks, places for him to expand and NPCs in my character's backstory
>mfw the other players give me that fucking look when the DM is constantly using my material

>Use Magic Device checks when emulating a class feature, ability score, race, or alignment.
What are some examples of this? I haven't been able to find any.

>>47880750
"You can only use X if you are Y"
"Creatures of X alignment take Y penalty"
Dipshit.

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>>47880759
There's no need for expletives, anon.

>>47880701
>that are also mechanically, thematically, and racially unique and nuanced is not a skill everyone has and isn't one everyone bothers to cultivate.

That's the thing though, you don't need to make them mechanically *or* racially unique. You just need to make them thematically unique and relevant to the story.

You can have a Human White Male Fighter be the most interesting and important character in a campaign simply because the player actually gives a damn about writing his backstory in such a way that the DM is given ample ammunition for sidequests, and roleplays their character both realistically and often.

Like, the first thing you should be asking yourself when making a character is *why* am I choosing a race, and *how* their class actually makes sense within the purview of the campaign. The character should fit the campaign, the campaign should not just get forced to accept you or bend to your will.

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>>47880773
And in general: pic related

Does an Oradin work well for multiclassing or is it just gestalt?

>>47880811
I get paid per expletive, you cunt. Do you want me to starve?

>>47880848
It works well. Won't work as well as a gestalt though.

>>47880862
No, but I do think you could work a bit harder.

>>47880848
It works well for multiclassing, as it was originally built for it. "Gestalt makes it better" is the right mindset for it, not "multiclassing makes it worse".

>>47880848
It can work as a one-level dip or as a VMC for single-classed campaigns, as far as I know.

>>47880848
I mean, really you only need a number of Oracle levels equal to the number of other party members you have, so maybe five oracle levels followed by nothing but Paladin levels'd probably work?

>>47880813
>That's the thing though, you don't need to make them mechanically *or* racially unique. You just need to make them thematically unique and relevant to the story.
>You can have a Human White Male Fighter be the most interesting and important character in a campaign simply because the player actually gives a damn about writing his backstory in such a way that the DM is given ample ammunition for sidequests, and roleplays their character both realistically and often.
>Like, the first thing you should be asking yourself when making a character is *why* am I choosing a race, and *how* their class actually makes sense within the purview of the campaign. The character should fit the campaign, the campaign should not just get forced to accept you or bend to your will.
That's what I tried to imply, sorry I couldn't communicate that well.

>>47880891
I already met my quota.

>>47880848
Oradin was DESIGNED for multiclassing, so.