Pathfinder General /pfg/

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Gosh heckin' darn it!

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Daily reminder that the penis is evil.

No one posted a thread edition, so I declare this the multicock edition. Hemipenes and tentacles masterraces report in. Single-dick plebeians stay out.

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>>47842950
As amusing as it may have initially been, can we stop meming about innocuous servant and companion to the lonely now?

>>47842950
An initiating vigilante would need half a dozen new custom social talents because the existing ones are mostly trash.

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>>47842950
I already played an effeminate Kitsune Enchantment Sorcerer covered in tattoos. It's not like I can get any more degenerate by playing a catfolk vigilante. I kind of wanted to play one focused on unarmed anyway.

>>47843000
Social talents are for flavor and SHOULD be trash. If they provide useful combat benefit then they shouldn't have been a social talent.

>>47842987
What about just having none at all?

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>>47842987
>Hemipenes and tentacles masterraces report in. Single-dick plebeians stay out.

Tentacles are overdone and the hemipenes is disappointingly attached to disgusting lizards.

Everyone knows horse-dick and the knot are the best.

>>47843020
K E K

>>47843023
>being a furfag
Expected.

>>47843014
Maybe they could provide, you know, useful utility benefits?

The general trend of initiating archetypes is replacing half or most of the class' existing combat framework to make room for maneuver progression.
Ie vigilante with halved vigilante talents, which means you might as well just play a Stalker.

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>>47842987
>>47843023

But anons, how about having a horse dick AND a knotted dick?

The only question is should they be top to bottom, or side to side, and in what order?

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>>47843048
>Expected.

You're implying a Tiefling can't have horse-dick, or a Skinwalker can't have the knot.

Both of these races can and should theoretically have those organs.

>>47843066

Now that's just getting greedy, anon.

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why are these threads so GAY?

>>47843065
You are 100% missing the point of social talents, anon.

Give me an example of something you'd add to the list.

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>>47835937
>>47837439

The foxboy.

>>47843081
>Now that's just getting greedy,
CoC REVAMP has spoiled me

Actually, I've been wondering what class would one use to stat Urta

>>47843081
>can
Sure.
>should
Ah, furfags think they're socially acceptable again.

>>47843114
That got revamped? I'm amazed, could've sworn Fenoxo was too lazy to do shit.

>>47843098
Because they were shit for a few days, and are slowly getting better.

We're still in the "kinda terrible" level but we'll climb somewhat higher eventually.

>>47843098
>why are these threads so GAY?

Why is it okay to discuss the breasts of NPCs but things suddenly get weird when we talk about the dicks of various races?

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>>47843098
Because you're in them

OP is why people hate pathfinder. Fuck off with your catgirl magical realm shit.

>>47843098
Because--

>>47843134
Fuck you.

>>47843124
Since when is that okay either?

>>47843120
>could've sworn Fenoxo was too lazy to do shit.
He is, its a fan Revamp mod. complete with survival mechanics, new slots, new npcs, options, morphs, quests, zones, and an actual tutorial area

>>47843121
ill be real i like these threads when people aren't making their homebrew anime shota builds with 5 different adjectives/archetypes

>>47843155
>Fuck you.
not my fault anon. You could've been classy and instead gone with one of the various other responses instead.

>>47843155
>Since when is that okay either?

Since they've been an accepted topic on /pfg/ since Greta?

>>47843192
>he thinks Greta autists are accepted
kek

>>47843153
>catgirl
>girl

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Say you had to design a fantasy world but you were only allowed to use four races and humans are one of them. What would you pick for the other three? Everything else is either some sort of malevolent spirits, immortal, beast, or otherwise a creature without something we would qualify as a thriving civilization.

>>47843157
We just do that as a joke, because no one else has a discussion question worth serious discussion so we need something to do to pass the time by, and to trigger Virt who comes by here on occasion.

Sorry that you're so thin skinned that your poo-baby feefees have been hurt in the process

>>47843211
Viera, Moogle, Gria

>>47843216
man i just wanted to play some pathfinder.

>>47843211
1. Human
2. Human
3. Human

>>47843108
>The point of social talents is to make the player spend effort on choosing from a list of pointless things

>>47843211
Elf, Dwarf, Orc

>>47843211
>but you were only allowed to use four races and humans are one of them. What would you pick for the other three? Everything else is either some sort of malevolent spirits, immortal, beast, or otherwise a creature without something we would qualify as a thriving civilization.

1. Humans
2. Elves
3. Catfolk
4. Dragonborn

That's it. That's literally it. Those are literally all the races in my homebrew, and the Dragonborn are straight-up bio-engineered supersoldiers crafted by the Dragons to maintain their vast empire.

>>47843211
Halflings
Hobbits
Kender

>>47843251
GIVE.

EXAMPLE.

SOCIAL TALENTS.

>>47843211
Elves
Half-Elves
Kobolds

>>47843211
Humans
Catboys
Foxgirls
I can't think of a last one

>>47843023
what is The Knot you speak of?

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>>47843211
Foxboys/girls, dogboys/girls, catboys/girls.

>>47843156
You're going to link it, right?

>>47843288
>no awoos
Shame on you, anon.

>>47843305
Aren't awoos too similar to foxgirls though?

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>>47843211
I'd homebrew them from scratch, make them alien rather than anthropomorphic, give all the races several sub cultures and nations, and have them all geographically separated across multiple continents for better niche plausibility. Then, have the campaign take place in a single area and only allow one race, all appropriate subraces, and maaaaybe a second race if I know the player can be trusted.

That way there'd be internal consistency, and no problems with pre-concieved notions and autists being upset because a race is being played wrong.

>>47843232
Then actually play it with friends instead of coming here. The only reason I'm here is I had to miss my session due to field-study keeping me out of town

You do have friends to play with, don't you?

>>47843300
https://github.com/Kitteh6660/Corruption-of-Champions-Mod/releases/tag/1.0.2_mod_1.3.23

and the wiki
http://coc-revamp-mod.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

>>47843211
Kender
Kender
Kender

The setting goal is genocide.

>>47843273
>using the 'if you can't think of an exact way to make it better then you don't know what you're actually talking about' argument

Is it really too much to want to look at a list of half my class features and not think 'I don't see myself using any of these ever' on all of them except three or four?

>>47843211
1) Human
2) Gnomes
3) Drow
4) Goblin

>>47843326
Not similar enough to let them out

>>47843328
i do have a session in a half an hour or so, just killing time before the session and checking out the thread.

>>47843372
Oh, that's fine then. Just try not to piss in the wind too much, and enjoy your session.

>>47843288
Androids, so you keep gender demographics parity.

>>47843343
I restated it because my initial question was ignored.

The point of them is to be SOCIAL talents. What could you add to the list that could still be called a social talent?

They're not as obviously beneficial because 99% of this system is combat.

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>>47843436

The best goddamn social talent right here

>>47843436
Mockingbird is an example of a good social talent.

Simple, fits fluff, does something cool at will that isn't completely outdone by a spell of equal or lower level.

A good new talent would be... I dunno, the ability to fake official announcements or bulletins that large scale influence the actions of npc commoners? The ability to disguise a willing ally as your social form and have them ping for divination purposes? The ability to set contingency-like conditions on single charge magic items and set them as traps?

How do I optimise for throwing bows?

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>>47843211
>Humans, who are mostly standard, but rarely the elf-ears pop out as a magical mutation
>Gnomes, taking a bit of the handling fluff since they might as well be merged
>Beast folk. Mix of skinwalkers, Fire Emblem Laguz, and generic weeb youkai myths.
>Changelings of the shapeshifting variety. They are mostly unknown, and tend to just be thought of as spooky stories told to children.

Boom. Humans stay the "main" race because I don't care how generic it is, and "asshole human empire" can be entertaining.
I like the idea of changelings being sustained by positive emotions, but too bad a certain show already did that.

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>>47843523

All this for free at level 1!

I know quicken spell can lower the casting time, but is there any way to cast or delay a spell such that it becomes a 1-round casting time spell?

I know applying a metamagic is a full-round action, but that's not quite the same thing. I'm looking for a way to have the effects fire off at the start of your turn, like a 1-round summoning spell etc.

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Hey /pfg/, I'm planning on making a fighter who is a merchant and was wondering if you guys would be able to suggest some feats. I'm not the most experienced with pathfinder, so any help is appreciated.

Assume I have access to every official book.

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Hello gentlemen, I've have been working on a homebrew Initiating archetype for the Bloodrager called the Blood Reaver.

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vtE5ykBrFbVEia47iXl8Y2SaPzVjFGzGoHrPL0P4KlY/edit?usp=sharing

Its in a semi-operational state now, so I'd like for ya'll to give me some good advice and critique on what I need to change on this draft.

Don't be afraid to be rough, I crave the rough criticism and tearing apart.

What if we combined the standard fantasy races with the standard weeb races? Who gets combined with what?
Elven foxgirls
Halfling catboys
Dwarven ??
Orcish ?

>>47843575
>merchant

Convert this to Pathfinder.

https://1d4chan.org/index.php?title=Jews&oldid=281587#4e_Racial_Traits

>>47843536
Alchemist with I think implant bomb or imbue bolt.

You already go throw anything, just imbue bomb explosion into bow then throw bow

>>47843575
Lore Warden is your only option. Its the only fighter really that can into anything that's not hitting things

>>47843619

Dwarf and dogs
Orcs and cows or pigs

>>47843619
Orc batgirls

>>47843639
Dwarfdogs seems logical but I'm not feeling the visual design it would create.

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>>47843619

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>>47843619
>>47843665

>>47843619
dorfs would be Tanuki
and orcs would be Oni/Ogre

>>47843663

Imagine Pomeranians but they're built like short stocky wrestlers.

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>>47843619
>>47843665
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>>47843619
>>47843665
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>>47843709

Hey /pfg/. I have a question.

I'm running Carrion Crown soon. I've got a bit of experience with pathfinder, but it's all low level, so I don't have much firsthand experience with caster supremacy.

Should I give my players access to Path of War? How do you feel about the balance? I haven't read it yet.

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>>47843619
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>>47843726

>>47843665
>>47843682
>>47843709
>>47843726
>>47843739

They're literally all black.

All of them.

Even the Leprechaun is black.

Why.

>>47843665
>>47843682
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>>47843739
I don't know what these are or why you're posting them

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>>47843619
>>47843665
>>47843682
>>47843709
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>>47843739

>>47843231
>>Gria
My nigga

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>>47843619
H-halfling catboys...

Yeah. This is good. This is real good.

>>47843749

Black people with red hair exist you know.

Therefore every unique Tumblr original character has the future rare pigmentation of the Hair Skin and/or Eyes, otherwise they are not special enough.

It has the funny effect of making them not distinguishable as any one racial group and therefore not really representing anybody when you think about it!

>>47843699
You mean Samantha Wright?

>>47843776

This is literally the only white man in the entire book.

A white man in a dress.

>>47843749
It's the natural color of a humanoid, anon. They don't start paling up unless they go to live in less hospitable, dismal climates for generations.

>>47843808
And by god does he pull that look off. I'm totes jealous.

>>47843794

I will consider it. I do like having one or two token 'smallfolk' races.

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>>47843749

The man in >>47843776 is clearly white.

>>47843635
>Alchemist with I think implant bomb or imbue bolt.
>You already go throw anything, just imbue bomb explosion into bow then throw bow
Thanks.

>>47843800

Sure but can be thicker too if one desires

>>47843776
>Pathfinder Alternate Future: Queen Lucian Thrune

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>>47843831

Oh, right, these are the orcs.

>>47843776
Look at that HAIR.

That is some fine goddamn hair.

>>47843824
>They don't start paling up unless they go to live in less hospitable, dismal climates for generations.

>Implying France is dismal or less hospitable than Sudan.

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>>47843864

>>47843749
Why not?

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>>47843900
>>47843864
>>47843831
>>47843776
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>>47843665

Why are you spamming these?

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>>47843824
>Lamarkian selectionism
>>>/out/

>>47843909
Leprechauns aren't black

>>47843575
That depends entirely on what your definition of "fighter who is a merchant" is. The standard for me when I want a fighty-merchant is Fighter (Lore Warden, Drill Sergent). This gives you Appraise, Spellcraft, and all the Knowledge skills alongside being able to team up with allies and work as a cohesive unit. If you want a more solo-focused character, consider the Pack Mule and Martial Master archetype combo instead; swap your combat feats around, carry really heavy loads, it's excellent for a warrior that travels around and collects weapons and armor.

>>47843920
They also aren't real, I don't see what the big deal is.

>>47843915
Lamarkian is where the use of something often is passed down genetically to the next generation. So masturbating furiously would make your spawn's forearm bigger. I don't think it has anything to do with skin color.

>>47843931

>fighter who is a merchant

it's called a sailor tbqh

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>>47843911

>>47843920
And dullahan aren't undead, changelings aren't the children of hags, and orcs were originally written as an industrializing society rather than backwards nomads.

Do you have a point?

>>47843942
Because it's cultural appropriation you fucking colonialist.

>>47843909
>Why not?

It feels incredibly intentional?

>>47843942
>They also aren't real, I don't see what the big deal is.

The only deal I have with it is some tumblr trash trying to pass off their "diversity: the setting, where everyone is black" as something I should accept or even tolerate.

Imagine if we had some /pol/ tards showing off their setting where literally everyone was white or a rock. Would you be tooting this same horn?

>>47843920
They aren't real either.

>>47843984
The thing that bugs me is like 90% of people having FUCKING HUGE lips.

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>>47843977

The black kid here has a colonial pith helmet.

>>47843984
>Imagine if we had some /pol/ tards showing off their setting where literally everyone was white or a rock
>"Imagine"

>>47843985
>>47843942

>They aren't real

Don't you think it's really problematic to have prissy white people (or whatever shitlord drew those images) just take the cultural icons of another society and bend them to their will?

Leprechauns have lore. They're traditional Irish. Traditional Irish are traditionally white. By turning them black, they're appropriating culture.

It's like fucking white males wearing Native American war hats, or making a white male the lead role in a martial arts movie.

>>47843749
Black people can be midgets too, anon.

>>47843734
I've done Carrion Crown, the first few levels are deadly as ffff. Access to anything is not a bad idea, because over the course of the adventure you face a little bit of everything, so if you're using extra books to focus on being good at one thing it's going to catch up to you eventaully.

>>47844009

Mind pointing me to /pol/tards that have been showing off their "everyone is white" settings?

>>47843971
Weren't changelings part doppelganger, as opposed to hags?

>>47844025
I never really understood what was wrong with cultural appropriation? isn't it a good thing that people are taking and using things they like from other cultures and peoples and sharing the things they think others might like?

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>>47844008
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>>47843665

Hold up, hold up.

Am I actually allowed to play a white man in this system? Everything is pointing to the idea that white people just don't exist at all.

>>47844058
Depends on which version you're talking of. Changelings are also replacements for abducted children. Another version of changelings also has them as slivers.

>>47844058
That's Eberron changelings. Mythological changelings are the children left to replace those stolen by fairies.

>>47843966
>>47843931
Usually yes, a sailor or privateer gets it more accurately, but most of the seabound archetypes are pretty crappy. Drill Warden and Martial Mule are relatively effective at the concept as well, without needing to dip into 3rd-party material. If you can use 3PP, consider the Ructioneer (ICOSA Entertainment) or the Myrmidon (Dreamscarred Press) to make the Fighter better too.

>>47844069

... Excuse me? Are you actually trying to justify the cultural genocide of an entire people?

>>47844073
No, you're just looking for a reason to be pissed off. Play whatever the fuck you want as long as you aren't being a jerk about it.

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Is this what a Strength-dumped Daisho Expertise/Deadly Agility harbinger looks like?

No coat, no edge lord archetype.

>>47844097
Something something law of satire and seriousness blurring

>>47844034

Black people can be midgets, but they can't be leprechauns.

>>47844073
You can be! See >>47843776

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>>47843635
>>47843931
The Lore Warden / Drill Sargent seems like the way to go. Have a Cockatrice as thanks.

>>47844058
>>47844094
I wish Eberron had called half-doppelgangers something else. I get that they have "change" in their name but it actually refers to the change of places in babyswap legends. Don't mistake me saying this as hate for the race though, I fucking loved them for what they were.

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>>47844106

>Play whatever the fuck you want as long as you aren't being a jerk about it.

Except the system shows no signs of supporting white men except for trannies?

Why should I play a race that is not only ignored by the system, but actively reviled? Why should I give a damn about something that just hates me for what I am?

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>>47844154
Demidopps

>>47844163
Because you want to be the victim. You see people that are different than you actually being acknowledged for once and you have to be outraged. This isn't white genocide. Shut the fuck up and have fun.

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>>47844120
you were SAYING?

>>47844109
>Is this what a Strength-dumped Daisho Expertise/Deadly Agility harbinger looks like?

Not black enough.

>>47843831
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>>47843682

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>>47844073
I see several fair skinned humanoids m8. Of course you can. That's like assuming you can't play a black guy because all the art is of white people. Unless you're playing Racial Holy Way, humanoid ethnicity doesn't really change your stats one way or the other.

>>47844181
Doppings?

>>47844035
Hm. Didn't really get a feel for just how deadly it is. I'm planning on running it with 4 players, should I bump that to 5?

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>>47844140
You're quite welcome! May lots of teamwork come your way.

>>47844197
Where are the fair skinned halfling and the fair skinned dwarf?

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>>47844120
>there are people in this general who haven't seen/heard of leprechaun in the hood

>>47844188
>You see people that are different than you actually being acknowledged for once and you have to be outraged. This isn't white genocide. Shut the fuck up and have fun.

There's a difference between acknowledging and smug pandering.

Especially considering this was probably made by a chubby white girl on Tumblr with an unusual list of pronouns.

>>47844207
Sounds like a pun for doppelganger droppings. Not bad.

>>47844211
She was so hot... until she talks...

>>47844225
>There's a difference between acknowledging and smug pandering.
Tell me what is it? They aren't making some new canon where an established white character is now black?
>>47844212
The vivec looking motherfucker and the old guy with the beard.

>>47844225
There we go, if any people look different then you it's pandering. Quit yer bitchin' and stop looking for a reason to be outraged.

>>47844233
also doping

>all this SJW bait
>no one is talking about how Paizo has a land devoted to literal magical negroes.

>>47844154
>>47844181
>>47844207
>>47844233
What about... Dopplings?

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>>47844197
>That's like assuming you can't play a black guy because all the art is of white people. Unless you're playing Racial Holy Way, humanoid ethnicity doesn't really change your stats one way or the other.

But that's where you're wrong, anon.

>Keleshites are considered the ultimate, greatest merchants in the world, and the greatest people in general. In fact, Keleshites are so good their only downside is "people think they're smug", and immediately afterwards their text *literally* says "but they probably have every reason to be smug."

>Garundi are seen as proud, ancient geniuses. The smartest, the most cultured, the all around greatest nation-builders there are. Magic is their bitch, they have lore for everything, and their civilizations have endured since time immemorial.

What does it say about Avistanis?

>"The Chelish are brutal lawmakers, the Taldans are smug losers clinging to a long-lost past, the Varisians are thieves and the Ulfen fucking smell, those barbarians!"

>>47844279
We all know paizo is shit and that's been brought up plenty of times before. There's only so much we can put up with from paizo before we just get tired of talking about them.

>>47844154
Switchlings

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>>47844279
And giant ape warlord-tyrants.

>>47844287
>All of this
>Still doesn't change any of your stats, as all humans have the same racial options and all your ethnicity does is give you access to different traits (which can be fluffed however you want)
Uuuuhhh-huh.

>>47844279

Are you talking about the Land of Magical Negroes that literally never gets brought up anymore because Paizo is embarrassed of their past sins, or the Holy Matriarchy of Holomog where the country is super perfect and ran by Divine Matriarchs?

>>47844287
so basically the whites on golarion are the worst, least-capable, and most looked-down-upon in the fluff because they're both white AND not trans-matriarchal enough?

>>47844279
yeah, but they're boring so everyone ignores them

Except Jatembe, he's a total bro

>>47844279
But like 3/4 of the lands are magic. Any land full of black people is devoted to magical negroes.

>>47844257
>They aren't making some new canon where an established white character is now black?

You mean like most comic books? Where every white male is now either black or a woman, or both?

Or how about Magic the Gathering, where Jace (basically the only white guy in the series) was turned more and more brown until he's downright Persian? Sure, that makes sense, but how about shoving generic black people into Innistrad and various other "based on white places" realms while keeping the "based on black places" realms turbo-black, including Mythical Greece?

>>47844287
>>47844312
>The Chelish are brutal lawmakers,
They also have one of the most stable empires. Kick tons of pirate ass. And are one of the strongest colonial powers in the world.
>Ulfen fucking smell, those barbarians!"
You're literally making stuff up to fulfill your victim complex.

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Is this why having an eternal general is a bad idea?

>>47844306

The fluff is literally insulting you for choosing anything other than Brown Person, anon.

>>47844331
>You mean like most comic books? Where every white male is now either black or a woman, or both?
Oh fucking bullshit. Superheroes change all the god damned time. We've had like 4 or 5 robins, god knows how many thors. There's an entire fuckin spider-verse. The green lanterns are recruited from god knows where.

>>47844338
those were different anons methinks.

>>47844338
>You're literally making stuff up to fulfill your victim complex.

>The Ulfen (pronounced OOL-fen) are a human ethnicity once feared across all of Avistan for their fierce and merciless winter raiding. This is no longer the case; now the Ulfen people are renowned for their enormous size, prowess as warriors, and their unique smell. Ulfen bodyguards are considered a highly desirable thing around the courts of the Inner Sea.

Oh hey, want me to bring up how the only female-ran Linnorm Kingdom is also described as the most stable, the most progressive and easily poised to take Sveinn Blood-Eagle's mantle to become High King?

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>>47844344
I just wanted to have fun talking about combining animalpeople races with tolkienesque fantasy races. I don't know what went wrong.

>>47844344
No. The shitters will just go to other threads

>>47844358
From Oa? Where the Green Lanterns originate?

And nowadays from Mogo the living planet (a Green Lantern himself), who offered his surface after Oa's destruction?

>>47844312

Basically, as long as you're not white and a male in Golarion you're good.

>>47844372
>, and their unique smell
Who said it was a bad smell? Their fierce tough and cunning warriors who are often valued as bodyguards.

>>47844403
Isn't Cheliax ruled by an evil queen?

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>>47844406

Oh wow! The Ulfen are considered prized bodyguards! This will surely compete against "we are the best" and "we are the smartest!"

You think the Kellids can get in on this too? The people who's claim to fame is "we're fucking savages?"

>>47844419
Yes but only because Asmodeus would never put her in power because he hates all women forever.

>>47844403
Where the fuck are you even getting this idea from?

>>47844432
Probably from major NPC fluff like the one explaining how you can't become (was it the shaman or the oracle, I forget which) the powerful divine caster that iconic represents without becoming a woman.

>>47844419

Yes, an Evil Queen that has been ruling the country quite effectively so far under the tutelage of a woman devil, after her male devil bodyguard turned out to be a bumbling fool.

Even in Hell, men are idiots that need a good feminine touch to get things turned around!

Oh, but how about a country ruled by a fucking white male? Let's take Taldor for instance, the country that's always described as falling apart! What hope lay in Taldor? Oh, get this; Stavian's daughter, a revolutionary young woman that wants to take the mantle of Empress and guide the Empire to a greater age!

Wow! All these useless men getting put in their place by competent women! Surely there's a kingdom ruled by a competent man.

Right?

>>47844425
They're also known for cunning and being decent traders and travelars. What else do you want anon?


> The people who's claim to fame is "we're fucking savages?"
There are a bunch of barbarian groups all over Golarion.


That's not getting into the white Aslanti who were literal uber aryans.

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>>47844432
>Where the fuck are you even getting this idea from?

When have white men ever been portrayed as anything less than ineffectual, evil or otherwise secondary in Pathfinder lore.

Literally every single fucking story is about women in power, putting a woman in power, or stopping a woman in power.

>>47844473
>hat iconic represents without becoming a woman.
What?

Wasn't the shaman iconic
>this dwarf was a dude
>who wanted to be a chick
>dwarves work off an arranged marriage system so this wouldn't fly so well
>dwarf meets spirit
>spirit lets him become chick and competent leader
>well, since your such decent leader we'll just marry off someone else.

>>47844512
what about the god of humans? Wasn't he a white male that everything went to shit when he died?

>>47844519
>spirit lets him become chick
Actually, I think either Crystal or Jessica said she's actually a trans that is pre-sex change.
That won't just use the sex change elixer, because "muh struggle narrative"

>>47844482
>They're also known for cunning and being decent traders and travelers. What else do you want anon?

I want Paizo to actually put some goddamn wrinkles in the Mary Sue ethnic groups they've turned into some sort of uber race

>That's not getting into the white Aslanti who were literal uber aryans.

Except the Azlanti are commonly portrayed as being multicultural? Aroden himself was a nondescript brown guy.

Oh, and Aroden fucking died, replaced by a woman.

>>47844527

Aroden was swarthy, he was at the absolute most Spanish.

And he died and fucking went to hell or whatever, and got replaced by Iomedae, a proper white woman that's still falling short of her duties because she isn't a brown girl like Sarenrae.

>>47844482
>There are a bunch of barbarian groups all over Golarion.
Yeah, but the most iconic ones - the primary lands of the Kellids - are in Numeria and the Realm of the Mammoth Lords, which Numeria was part of until Starmount landed and the Technic League started getting high on starship grease.

>>47844527
I think he was more of a Mediterranean coloration.

>>47844482
>They're also known for cunning and being decent traders and travelars. What else do you want anon?

I think he's implying that, between "we're empire-builders" and "we're the gatekeepers of lore," being "okay traders and pretty good, albeit smelly, guardsmen" is a very raw deal.

>>47844544
Honestly, if I was gonna do a trans iconic, I'd have their first like,one or two increments of whatever scale of levels they go up in be one gender, then from a point onwards, just swap pronouns. Nothing else.

And as a minor bonus, you'd be able to tell around what level they are in any art of them.

>>47844519
>>47844544
>Kolo taught her of the rivethun—dwarves who drew great power by embracing the disjunction between their bodies and souls—and she learned to brew the alchemical tinctures her past sisters used to quiet the rages of adolescence and bring their minds and bodies into harmony

And according to frasier down in the comments for that page, "rivethun" is a term for the elves third or fourth gender, which is "trans-feminine".

Literally, the shaman's powers come from BEING MtF.

You guys are missing the real issue, who's worse between Merisiel and Harsk?

>>47844512
Kornir Baine, good wizard in Iron Gods.
Valeros is NG
Blackjack, Curse of the Crimson throne
Alain, Iconic
Marvarao
Lem, the iconic bard
Erzen, iconic Wizard
Whoever the Iconic samurai was
Redtooth, Iron Gods

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>>47844527
>Wasn't he a white male that everything went to shit when he died?

Hey look, a white man fucking up everything YET AGAIN.

And he got replaced by a white woman, thank you very much.

And Cayden Cailean, the other white male god, has been all but abandoned by Paizo to be replaced by Milani, and the only times Cayden come up is how he cucks people or is a violent drunk or gets put in his place by his herald.

Here's the thing that upsets me about all this; imagine if the genders and ethnicities were reversed, for all of these people and races. People would be throwing a FUCKING FIT.

>>47844620
Harsk.

Merisiel at least has sneak attack going for her if she's not uselessly throwing knives. She can be PLAYED better, even if she's crap.

Harsk is just... useless.

>>47844578
Well their vikings man. Traders, Raiders, and conquerors are kinda their thing.

>>47844636
Would they really? And what the fuck is a reversed ethnicity?

>>47844646
Can't Harsk just prepare good spells and be more versatile than her?

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>>47844630

>Valeros is a drunk and commonly used as a punching bag in the comics
>Blackjack is a title
>Iconic Samurai is a Tien, totally different
>Kornir Baine is a Literally Who
>Alain is an asshole, and is constantly portrayed as an asshole.
>Lem is a Halfling

>>47844650
>Well their vikings man. Traders, Raiders, and conquerors are kinda their thing.

Except Paizo has, time and time again, declared they're not actually trying to follow real-world history or stereotypes?

This is why you have the Holy Matriarchy of Holomog or society continuing to function if the average woman has 0-2 kids?

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>>47844672
>Lem is a halfling
Unforgivable.

>>47844652
>Would they really?

Oh my god, imagine a setting where all the women were ineffectual or downright incompetent, and the only hope for the nation's future lay in their princes.

Where all the women are violently murdered right before their husband's eyes, and the party only interacts with the be-dicked member of a relationship in all the APs.

>And what the fuck is a reversed ethnicity?

The turbo-black become turbo-white, of course. Imagine Paizo declaring that white people are the smartest, the greatest, the nation-builders and empire-forgers...

... And then the blackest in the setting are called smelly violent guardsmen?

>>47844672
>he's still a Good character
>that was carried by a white guy
>fair
>the entire first book Iron Gods was about him
>he's not evil
>halfings can be white, and if Lem was scaled up, he would be white.

>>47844691
>Except Paizo has, time and time again, declared they're not actually trying to follow real-world history or stereotypes?
And you honestly believe that?

>>47844724
>The turbo-black become turbo-white, of course. Imagine Paizo declaring that white people are the smartest, the greatest, the nation-builders and empire-forgers..
Except the black people on Golarion are either magical negroes or smelly tribesman. Cheliax is an empire and is white as fuck.

>>47844331
>Who are Garruk Wildspeaker, Gideon Jura, and Ral Zarek

And that's just planeswalkers that I could immediately figure were white. There are two or three more that just aren't clear enough in their art for me to say they aren't asian or summat.

>>47844793
An empire in decline, ruled over by literally satan.

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>>47844793
>Cheliax is an empire and is white as fuck.

Taldor is also an empire, doesn't stop it from being an empire in decline.

Compare Taldor and Cheliax to Qadira, which has always been described as bountiful and vibrant, or the Empire of Kelesh, that's basically unstoppable and solid, or Osirion, which has broken free from Imperial rule and shows no signs of returning to the fold.

Black people are so-so, white people are generally either in decline or under siege, and the brown people are at the apex of their power.

>>47844885
Cheliax may be evil but it's like the most important country in Pathfinder content.

>>47844765
>And you honestly believe that?

I earnestly hold out to the belief that they're not idiots *and* hypocrites.

Imagine how retarded you have to be to blatantly copy 15th century Earth and *still* fuck up.

>>47844898
>but it's like the most important country in Pathfinder content.

As the bad guys.

The Whitest Empire in Lore is also the most evil, ran by Literally Satan.

>>47844885
So it's the early-mid 1500s?

>>47844863
Only one I recall is that Merisiel caught crabs HARDER THAN ANY PERSON HAS CAUGHT CRABS BEFORE.

Does using a spell completion item count as "casting a spell" for purposes of satisfying class features / items that have an effect "Whever you cast a spell, X happens"?

>>47844931

The Middle East was already well on it's way to becoming an irrelevant backwater by that time.

>>47844851
>>47844885
It's a fucking fantasy setting, what ISN'T in decline on in danger of decline. Also isn't the Emprie of Kelish literally run by the Denizens of Leng as a shadow government?
>Compare Taldor and Cheliax to Qadira, which has always been described as bountiful and vibrant, or the Empire of Kelesh, that's basically unstoppable and solid, or Osirion, which has broken free from Imperial rule and shows no signs of returning to the fold.
So more or less the state of the world after Rome fell?

>>47844898
>but it's like the most important country in Pathfinder content.

Yeah, as the source of every BBEG or Plucky Rebel Paizo dares to squirt out.

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>>47844947
>It's a fucking fantasy setting, what ISN'T in decline on in danger of decline. Also isn't the Emprie of Kelish literally run by the Denizens of Leng as a shadow government?

Oh my god what do you want from Paizo?

Do you want a fantasy setting or a historical accuracy setting?

Because we're getting some crazy vibes that they tried to go for one or the other, or maybe even both.

>>47844940
That's literally the period during which the ottoman empire was spreading to its largest size, taking sizable bites into Europe.

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>this entire dumb argument
Can't we just go back to talking about penises?

>>47844967
It's an observation that empires in fantasy literature are some variation
>dead
>dying
>evil

>>47844939

Yeah they should, not SLAs though. Might depend on the feature or item

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>>47844947
>It's a fucking fantasy setting, what ISN'T in decline on in danger of decline. Also isn't the Emprie of Kelish literally run by the Denizens of Leng as a shadow government?

Allow me a chance to postulate a wild theory as to why all the Proud White Empires are in decline or in danger of decline, while all the assorted brown-folk are doing fine.

It's because Paizo knows people are going to be playing, in majority, white people in White Land, and eventually there will be a party asking the question, "how can we take over this Decaying Empire and spruce it up?"

That is why the Empires are in decline. This is why all the rulers or competent heirs are women. Paizo recognizes the audience is white and male, their characters will be white and male, and so they built the setting to accomodate people who want to marry a queen, or get a cute engagement to the princess, or take the throne and become "[Character Name] The Great", the one who "turned things around."

Things are great in Qadira because Qadira is STATIC. It is practically an un-country. A backdrop. Set Piece. Places like Cheliax or Taldor or even the Land of the Linnorm Kings have motion, they're going somewhere, and Paizo gave people quest hooks built into the lore to prove it.

>>47844989

TRAPS and FUTAs

>>47844937
GIANT CRAB
ENEMY CRAB

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>>47844989
>Can't we just go back to talking about penises?

Doesn't the lore for Skinwalkers literally imply that they despise staying in Human form while engaging in carnal relations with their brethren, because they can't take the knot?

>>47845062
This, really. Also, I don't think some of you realize that being a magical negro isn't necessarily a good thing, since the entire idea of a magic negro is to help the usually-white protagonist get back on the horse after some bad thing happened, then fuck off and do irrelevant shit until another white protag needs help.

>>47845231
It's not like the brown people lands get any focus either. Like they just wrote them because they needed a !notAfrica and a!notMiddleEast land.

Seriously, we're getting TWO Chelish APs.

Can I use Alter Self into my own race but with bigger penis? How big is the limit?

>>47845062

This.

90% of the time when you have a king, the second or third thing people will want to know about them is "do they have a daughter?"

With a single queen or a competent female heir, you're basically putting a big ole arrow over their head saying "woo this one!"

You know what fucking sucks about Golarion? Playing an ambitious straight woman who wants to marry a powerful ruler. There fucking aren't any.

Fucks sake I have never seen so much fucking whining before. What the fuck it matter? If gender is really that important to you then you're just as mad as the tumbltards who only talk about that. And so fucking what if the invisible, imagined, disembodied voices that you and your friends pretend to be are a different imaginary color? Get the fuck over it already, it literally does not matter for a second.

Question, is there a rules-legit way to threaten a 10-foot area without 3pp? Preferably through normal AoOs and without magic, so I don't have to use a special action for something like Combat Patrol.

>>47845291
Just do flesh-to-stone/stoneshape surgery, anon.

>>47845321

lmao

>>47845291
>how big?
Yes

>>47845324
I should add that's threaten the whole 10-foot area, not just the more distant squares like a Reach weapon would do.

>>47845324
Enlarge person, alchemist discoveries, reach weapons. There's no such thing as "threatening reach" in pathfinder that's different from your normal reach. If you can attack a square from where you're standing with a melee weapon that you're proficient with, you threaten it.

>>47845291
>Can I use Alter Self into my own race but with bigger penis? How big is the limit?

Yes, and the limit is the natural limit of that humanoid.

This actually poses a question; how do you get bigger breasts, wider hips or a longer dick in Golarion? Like, using genuine system rules?

Hard Mode: No shapeshifting
Nightmare Mode: No magic
Dante Must Die Mode: No Alchemy

>>47845342
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/weapons/weapon-descriptions/dorn-dergar-dwarven

>>47845324
Reach weapon + Spiked Gauntlet

>>47845349
There's some sorcerer bloodlines that do it to, and frankly lots of things.

>>47845381
> move action to switch between reach and non-reach

can't use move action when it's not your turn.

>>47844863
Is that book even put yet?

>>47845381
Unfortunately that's going to be "threaten 10 feet away" OR "threaten 5 feet away", I want both of them at the same time.

>>47845386
Does that work if the hand with the gauntlet is holding the weapon? The other hand is occupied.

>>47845324
Whip with Improved whip mastery.
Spear dancing spiral.
Dragoon / Polearm master ability to use spear type weapon in melee.
Shield Brace + Reach weapon + Spiked Shield (or Klar)

>>47845356
I mean you kind of removed every possible way to do it short of actual reconstructive surgery, which still kind of falls under Alchemy.

>>47845424
No, not yet. I just figured since we already have one or two pictures, there might be more available.

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>>47845062

DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO BE A STRAIGHT WOMAN IN GOLARION?

ALL THE MEN ARE GAY OR EVIL OR JUST PLAIN DUMB.

I'M SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG-DICK ADVENTURER, AND I'M STUCK SETTLING DOWN WITH JOE DIRT BECAUSE ALL THE KINGS ARE IDIOTS.

>>47843211
Big cyclopean motherfuckers that built all the cool ruins back in the day but got into sect warfare, fucked up their civilisation, and only started recovering a few hundred years ago, putting them roughly on the same footing as everyone else
Little mothlike dudes with big eyes, fluffiness, and clever hands that make small clever things, instead of big powerful things. They came out of the deeps centuries ago and might be wayward servants of deep and terrible eldritch things but they've forgotten about it
Proud Warrior dudes with hooves and a collectivist society, faintly roman trappings and paranoia. Used to have the big cool empire that took over after the Big Guys fucked everything up, which is now dozens of warring substates.
Humans were directly made by the gods out of mud and blood, have pretty good magic resistance, and tend towards religious shenanigans. They're not the most recent on the scene, but they haven't blended nearly as well as the rest.

All four races are pretty well spread everywhere, with few countries having really big imbalances.

>>47843619
Elves with foxes or deer
Halfling cats obviously
Dorf dogs
Pig orcs
Dragon dudes
Toss in elves as a human subrace, the pointier your ears are the better you are at magic and the longer lived
Done

>>47845428
Pretty sure it work since you can release your grip as a free action during AoO, but if you're worry about it then use armor spiked instead.

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>>47845424
>Is that book even put yet?
No, but they're showing some art on the blog

>>47845324
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo---fighter-archetypes/phalanx-soldier
Grab Shield Bash with a spiked shield and Whirlwind Attack with this and be a whirlwind of pain and steel.

>>47844512
Have you tried not playing Pathfinder?

>>47845488
Fake Merisiel. Not enough daggers on her.

>>47845505
>Have you tried not playing Pathfinder?

Wait, there's a system that doesn't do the same things Paizo is doing in regards to ~Social Justice?~

>>47845498
> He still use Phalanx Soldier when anyone can grab a superior shield brace

>>47845459

Who are the most eligible bachelors in Golarion, anyway?

I'm actually curious now, because this anon's kind of got a point.

>>47845505
>>47845523
Alternately, just play Pathfinder with a custom setting that isn't ass? I'm sure they're out there.

>>47845442
Whip mastery is an option, although there's a bunch of hoops to jump through to get damage for it.
Spear Dancing sadly only works on your turn, you can't threaten with it.
Polearm Master is, again, limited to one or the other. Dragoon does have it, although that's 7 levels of fighter. Still, it does bring up using a double weapon with Reach on one end, so that might be an option.
Shield Brace one does require a shield slam, which I unfortunately can't do with this build.

>>47845566

Wait, there are people that actually play in Golarion outside of the APs?

>>47845565
Varian Jeggare. A rich foxy old Half-Elf and who probably get his Tiefling manservant's dick in the same package too.

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>>47845459
Hey man, us straight good guys would love to meet dem straight women, and everything WE run into is just pretending it's a woman, or ones that only like dicks as something they can smash a flaming lightning dagger through.

>>47845588
A lot of them, apparently.

Personally, I much prefer Eberron and Ravenloft.

>>47845576
Why would you need shield slam? Shield brace only require shield focus and BaB+3

>>47845498
Unfortunately I can't shield bash with the build partially since it's kind of full on feats, good attempt though.

>>47845459
>A STRAIGHT WOMAN
>BIG-DICK ADVENTURER
Yes.

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>Apply for a Roll20 campaign with a nobleman, I'd call him downright Arthurian
>Get accepted
>Look at the applications of the other folk who got accepted
>One is a delusional Gnome that hates authority
>Another is a Hobgoblin out to destroy the kingdom
>The other is a self-described lunatic rager that takes special pleasure in seeking out nobles and finding out just how blue their blood really is

Oh my god.

Help.

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>>47845470
I think elves work best as the bunny-people.

>>47845639
Yeah, but that doesn't get me the adjacent attacks. The full combo is shield brace to wield the reach weapon in one hand and use the shield itself for adjacent attacks. I just shortened it so I didn't have to type out Shield Brace+Reach Weapon+Spiked Shield.

>>47845648

Metaphorical dick, anon.

>>47845642
Figure it out for yourself then, don't ask for help and then shoot down 80% of your suggestions.

>>47845634
>eberron
Best in FATE.
>Ravenloft
Eh, I'll buy it.

You don't really play golarion for golarion, I think. You plop a campaign down in stereotype land to avoid doing the work of writing up Totally Not Egypt or Totally Not Darkest Africa or Totally Not Byzantium to save time.

Is there an Inner Sea Intrigue pdf floating around?

>>47845588
We played in a game about a century after the "present year" in Golarion. Guns everywhere, Cheliax becoming stronger again, etc. We were Andoran Privateers. It was pretty good, we managed to overthrow the entire Chelish government and install someone even worse. The Dragon in our party ran off with much of the treasury, though.

>>47845672
Please don't ruin this for me.

>>47845667
You can use shield to threaten and do adjacent attack without Shield Slam feat. Shield Slam only grant you free Bull Rush when you attack with shield.

Also shield brace still allow you to wield reach weapon in Two-handed while using shield normally.

>>47845672
That's not fun for me at all.

>>47845664
Fucking viera, how the hell am I supposed to recreate THE RED MAGE when you bastards have a monopoly on the class for some reason?

>>47845674
I was trying to, I came here to help get some ideas since I was lacking.

>>47845324
2-handed Reach weapon + Armor Spikes or IUS, which avoids the problem of handedness.
1-handed Reach weapon (ex Lance while mounted) + 1-handed non-reach weapon.

ALSO rules question: Can you intentionally cast a spell more slowly, such that it becomes a 1-round casting time spell? Not super useful but it fits a niche scenario I need, otherwise I'll just have to learn a 1-round spell.

>>47845748
Isn't red mage just bard with fancy hat..?

>>47845690
>>47845721

metaphorical futanari

>>47845758
If that does get around handedness then that'll work, thanks anon.

As for your question I don't think there's a specific way to do it, although you might find a way with the Stylized Spells from UI and Inner Sea Intrigue.

>>47842969
>>47842979
I love these thread-related early posts.

>>47845822

>Straight futanari that wants to settle down with a nice man

Wait... So does this mean she wants to fuck her guy up the butt, or she wants him to fuck her the natural way and occasionally give a reach-around?

>>47845822
>metaphorical
Stop.

>>47845834

np np and thanks, I'll look into it.

The other way to get a threatening 1-handed reach weapon that I know of is to use a 2-handed reach weapon one size to small for you, which will drop the damage die but keep the reach property. Depending on your build, a small reach weapon and a normal 1 handed weapon may out damage the 2 handed reach weapon and armour spikes. Also keep in mind that while armour spikes can strike from any part of the body, you can only attack with them once per turn, unlike unarmed strikes.

>>47845872
If the internet has taught me anything, she wants to penetrade and be penetrated in a variety of ways.

>>47845664
I remember a comic waaay back in the day where elves (more on the weird kidnappy fey angle) were horribly embarrassed about being descended from rabbits.
>fuck anything for a lark
>long ears
>live in magical realm of Underhill

It depends on what you're going for, the threatening tricksy fey angle (foxes) the innocent flighty woodspeople angle (deer) or whatever the viera were supposed to represent.

>>47845793
Could a lowly BARD cast ICE-9?

In all seriousness, in PF I think Red Mage would probably be an Eldritch Knight?

>>47845936
A red mage would be an elven Mystic Theurge. Elven because they get longsword proficiency and pretend they can use it, but are literally always better off not doing so.

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>>47845921
>>47845872

>Man and his loving futanari wife share a busty tavern-wench for the night.

>>47845978
Yes pls

>>47845961
>Red Mage
>Elf

Him and Thief would get along far better if that were so.

>>47845978
I...can dig this its a shame ill never get to sERP it

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>>47844488

>>47845517
She is becoming her own dagger.

>>47846070
I did
Or close to it
It was pretty alright

>>47846070
I've RP'd it as the guy.

Fun.

Pathfinder + Space + Mecha + Feudalism = yay or nay fampais?

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>>47846169
>Mecha

>>47846169

I like it, though I'd make mecha exclusive to the knights, can't let the riff-raff own a gleaming suit of 20-foot power armor!

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>>47846169
3/4 of those things just equate to battletech, though

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>>47846070
>>47846132
>>47846149

>tfw I've been turbo-vanilla for my ERP for so long and have only just got into doing stuff with exotic dicks or monstrous races, much less futanari

All those missed opportunities, moments lost in time.

>>47845576
Improved unarmed strike and kick anyone who gets past your polearm.

>>47846226
Don't sweat it anon.

I'm mostly into vanilla if generally rough ERP. If you like the exotic and weird it's good but if you've enjoyed it so far without dipping into that was it lost time?

>>47846070
I've done it as the unsatisfactory man that the big dicked female adventurer seeks out the barmaid out of frustration towards

>>47846216

does battletech have giant hiveships and ancient elf popemechs?

>>47846289
>giant hive mechs
The dropships are giant eggs

>pope mechs
t. clanners

>>47846194
Logically, the casters would fly via some other means. My question is how to stop the rogues from being the groundcrew Shaggy, and whether or not the cleric gets their own pseudoknight blingmachine.

Also, paladin lasers. All of my want.

>>47845565
Ruby Prince, no?

>>47846254

The only reason I'd consider it lost opportunity is I used to really be into the whole ERP thing a few years ago, and now that I've mellowed out and just said "eh, if it happens it happens" I lost all contact with that old me and now I'm left with not really a whole lot.

Basically I realized I'm really into [Thing] after leaving the scene where [Thing] is actually relevant.

>>47846316
>My question is how to stop the rogues from being the groundcrew Shaggy, and whether or not the cleric gets their own pseudoknight blingmachine.

Rogues are in power armor they can use to climb up the knights and stab them in the vitals with cutting lasers.

Clerics operate drone swarms that repair armor, shred it, reinforce it, etc.

Is there a Blade Beam type attack in PoW that doesn't rely on drawing weapons?

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>>47846351
Acceptable. Make it so.

>>47846383
Not sure if its exactly what you want but elemental flux has that elemental lance maneuver i think its called shoots your element in a 30ft line.

>>47846426
Basically, "Melee attack at range" ability. Mithral Current has those, but you have to draw them.

>>47846475
Fool's Errand has better ones, letting you add cones to everything, some of which are also cones

>>47846529
Does Fool's Errand just have everything?

What the fuck is wrong with these threads?

>>47846557
Just accept the degeneracy, anon.

>>47846557
concentrated effort to shit this place up

>>47846542
not that anon, but yeah, bit of a power-creep deal last I'd read through the thing.

>"climb" the air flight
>Cones that grow with weapon instead of set damage that doesn't use your weapon
>multi-attacks replacing many instances of extra-dice
>better-grapples
>full-round-immunity counter instead of just-the-one-effect-now
>dispels, grapple-through-teleport and immunity-disablers

Maybe it's just the fluff of "You practice knockoffs of every other discipline, which makes you better at it than they are" that gets kind of annoying given all the other disciplines aren't so antagonistic.

>>47842950
What's the polearm with the highest amount of damage? Playing a polearm user in a one shot, and want to get the most out of it

>>47846663
I thought the fluff is "I can do that too Mr. Wizard."

>>47846663
And considering that everyone can get FE for free without impacting any other swaps, is there a reason not to have it?

>>47846687
That doesn't really excuse it.

So my character does the following:
>every city we're in he squeezes it for every penny he can with an Eidolon with massive bonuses to stealth/disable device/sleight of hand
>while doing this he has the Eidolon look and judge individuals, if they are corrupt and in positions of power he steals from them otherwise he does not
>he does not take things that may be of sentimental value, mainly coinage and the like
>my character spends this money (any that goes over WBL) to fund a terrorist organization in his home country half a world away
>this terrorist organization is charged with putting a stop to the corrupt nobility in the country who abuse the people

My character does not share his thievery with the party, but they do know out of character. How much of a douche am I for doing this?

>>47846687
That's the fluff certainly. The crunch is a bit more... overdone.

>>47846716
>>47846725
Wasn't commenting on the mechanics, just wondering if the fluff changed since last time I looked at it.