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/pfg/ - Pathfinder General

Ultimate Occult will be way better than Ultimate Psionics edition

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Old thread: >>47830616
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Only because it has a kitsune on it.
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I am going to be in a homebrew campaign but mainly stay in Absalom.

What kind of Animal Companion are "normal" in the city? Camel? Axe Beak?
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>>47834409
Giant centipede. Wear it wrapped around your torso like armor and get it to spit venom on things out of your sleeves or something.
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Oh look, another shitty aborted thread created by the same salty contrarian asshole who hates everything.

Didn't you learn form last time when you tried to make your shitty thread that was promptly abandoned for the last one?
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>>47834443
There's more than one poster in every thread, you're not talking to yourself
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Is Shareanon dead?
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>>47834886
We're all dead inside
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>>47834906
We're all skeletons inside.
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>>47834913
Spooky.
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>>47834913
You gotta give a warning before doing that. Almost had a heart attack
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>>47833797
Golarion has psionics, its fluff is 'mumble, mumble people are scared of it.' but other planets are said to have it, especially on the elven planet.

I'll see about grabbing you a screenshot.
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So /pfg/, anything you're looking forward to during your next session?
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>>47834946
Oh boy I'm sure there's just actual boatloads of information on the other planets too...

I think there's a few paragraphs crammed in the ass end of something per planet? Mostly because elves and their elfgates?

Alright, how bout a thread challenge, then.
Fluff out some "Working Stiff" magewright ish psionics professions. Psychoportic courier, investigator seer, etc. Pay attention to the structure of the organisation, and the training.
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More on Ascetic Style question.

Can I use release the charge of touch spell (ie Frostbite) via Quarterstaff or is it still unarmed strike only?
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>>47835135
>as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks.
So maybe? That would be two feats for basically a spell-storing weapon, so that's what you should balance it by. If that's too good then don't allow it. If it's fine, allow it.
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>>47835008
What kind of psionicist makes the best prostitute?
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>>47835008
>>47834946
Wow, there's more than I recall, there are two whole pages of information on psionics, aren't we blessed?
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>>47835223
Were certainly are (you) we certainly are.
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>>47835192
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/psionic-powers/e/everyman
It requires level 4 though.
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>>47835223
What book?
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>>47835279
PZ01111 Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting.
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>>47835290
Thanks.
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I'm going to play a Samsaran Druid. What spell should I steal from Cleric/Shaman/Paladin/Inquisitor list?

Invisibility (Inquisitor)
Holy Sword (Paladin)
Blessing of Fervor (Cleric)
Breath of Life (Cleric)
Miracle (Cleric)

Anything else noteworthy? Are there any divine class with mirror image on their spell list?
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Anyone have the hell knight PDF? Anything interesting on it?
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What happened to my face?!
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Hey /pfg/, I've got a question. Let's say you have a Sensei Monk. At level 12 he can use Abundant Step to teleport everyone within 30 feet to a location of his choosing. Is there a point to taking Dimensional Agility, since the allies he teleports will be able to act on their own turns normally?
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Critique this please, /pfg/

Weapon Focus (Combat Proficiency)

Choose one weapon group. You can also choose grapple (or ray, if you are a spellcaster) as your weapon for the purposes of this proficiency.

Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +1.

Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls to your selected weapon group.
Upon reaching 3rd level and every two levels thereafter (5th, 7th, and so on), you gain an increased +1 bonus on all attack rolls you make using the selected weapon from an associated weapon group.

Special: Martial classes begin play with this Proficiency. This proficiency stacks with Weapon Training. A full caster must purchase this as a feat to gain this proficiency.
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>>47835699
It just makes martials better at hitting things and doesn't solve their innate problems.
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>>47835713
Well, I'm planning on slowly working my way through the different feats; this is just something to begin it all
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>>47835713
What innate problems did you want to be solved through Weapon Focus?

Penetrating different DR types? other?
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>>47835699
It gives all martials excellent hitting ability forever, and right from the start?
Wat
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>>47835699
That's way too strong. It's up to an extra +10 to attacks for a single feat and it scales with level instead of BAB so a Wizard would have no reason not to take it and be just as combat competent as a normal Martial is now.

Make it scale with BAB and reduce it to every 4 BAB (so BAB 1, 5, 9, 13, 17). It's not bad as a buff to Fighters though since they could potentially get a free +5 (or +10) to every weapon they wield with it.
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How to overcome immunity to critical hits?
Assume that mythic and DSP are on the table.
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>>47835790
You don't unless it's Fortification armor, in which case you sunder it.
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>>47835713
FantasyCraft has a bunch of mechanics you could potentially be inspired by
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>>47835776
Nice, cheers, yeah, good point
I'll continue to fiddle with it
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>>47834964
My PCs will be trying to take over a cult, so that's cool.
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>>47835776
>>47835699
Weapon Focus (Combat Proficiency)

Choose one weapon group. You can also choose grapple (or ray, if you are a spellcaster) as your weapon for the purposes of this proficiency.

Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +1.

Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on all attack rolls to your selected weapon group.
Upon reaching base attack bonus +5 and every 4th base attack bonus thereafter (9th, 13th, 17th and so on), you gain an increased +1 bonus on all attack rolls you make using the selected weapon from an associated weapon group.

Special: Martial classes begin play with this Proficiency. This proficiency stacks with Weapon Training. A full caster must purchase this as a feat to gain this proficiency.
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Guys, I'm trying to trim feat trees a bit, so far I thought about making all finessable weapons having innate dex-to-attack and Weapon Finesse giving it to all weapons, Combat Expertise is not a feat anymore, everyone can use it, all Combat Maneuvers are improved by one feat line. Anything else i should add?
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>>47835865
More reasonable. Now you have to specify what "martial classes" entails. Classes with 0 casting? Classes with full BAB?
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>>47835670
It's probably not worth taking for that reason since, like you said, their actions will be unaffected. On the other hand if you go up to Dimensional Dervish you could start teleporting your allies around instead of yourself during a full attack.
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What gestalt combination should I go for if I want to be a Temple Warrior, Paizo only?
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How fare your respective campaigns?

The tale of the faerie foxboy, foxgirl, and catgirl in Kingmaker ( https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47719513/#47724010 ) has, alas, come to a close due to a Skype exchange lasting nine messages.

In our Kingmaker session last week, our party of three 1st-level PCs had rushed straight towards the Stag Lord's fort, infiltrated it flawlessly, and knocked out and restrained every last bandit within the fort.

We were supposed to play this week, but the GM had arrived only during the tail end of the appointed time slot. The GM explained that they were busy with another game, they had completely forgotten about the Kingmaker game, they could not run the game today, and that they could linger to answer questions.

I brought up the topic of XP from the Stag Lord's fort, since that was something we neglected to discuss previously. The GM mentioned that we received full XP for each of the bandits we knocked out in their sleep, but only 1,455 XP for the Stag Lord himself (a CR 6 worth 2,400 XP).

Over the course of nine Skype messages, I protested this and asked why the GM would assign such an arbitrary XP reward for overcoming a major opponent, and the GM would reply with a cryptic "ad hoc adjustment" without further comment. The exchange ended with the GM outright ragequitting and ending the game right then and there.

We had no indicator that the GM was on the brink of quitting outright, let alone that questioning XP rewards would be their last straw. This GM, by the way, was adamant on using XP rewards rather than milestone-based leveling. This incident will forevermore be mysterious to the players who were abandoned.
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>>47835886
Thanks brah

Martial classes should ideally include all full BAB types as well as partial casters, their benefit from this proficiency will be diminished slightly

So a magus gains a +3 bonus rather than the full +9 gained by a fighter
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>>47835960
>>47835865
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>>47834964
Hopefully the session will go without a hitch and we can finally wrap up this story arc. It was left off on a cliffhanger with the last boss fight of the chapter because my internet took a shit, and my fingers are crossed that we can wrap up that fight in the next 1-3 rounds. After that we begin our in-game 3-4 years of downtime/free roaming fucking off period and I've been looking forward to that for almost five months now.
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>>47835937
Should be wrapping up within the next few sessions. This shit has been going for a year now, though it doesn't feel that long.
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>>47834964
Finally hitting the battle with the BBEG and they're all looking forward to putting him down.

The problem is I want to have a 2 form fight where they have to solve a puzzle to debuff him but I'm out of ideas for the puzzle. Any ideas/inspiration /pfg/?
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so lets say I wanted to make a character that increased his size and smashed things with his fists, is the best way to do that still druid/monk multiclass in pathfinder?
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>>47835878
>making all finessable weapons having innate dex-to-attack and Weapon Finesse giving it to all weapons
This is a good idea

Have Combat Expertise still be a feat, but it gives Improved Combat Expertise and Greater Combat Expertise based on level, so additional feat sinks are unnecessary
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>>47836014
It's been done before, Rasputin from RoW had a big machine that kept him alive. The puzzle should be the second form, otherwise it becomes a one-form fight where the second form is an afterthough.
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>>47836025

Brute Vigilante if you want to be awful
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>>47835468
SOMEONE
ANYONE
SHAREANON PLS
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>>47836025
That's probably not a bad one, although Sacred Fist Warpriest might be better since they natively get 6th level casting for stuff that could improve your size. Or Alchemist, those are good for size increasing. Most of your damage is going to be from flat modifiers anyway, so the loss of damage dice isn't that big of a deal.
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>>47836052
See the point is he's supposed to be receiving power from Pazuzu so they're meant to block/break the power in order to finish him off.
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>>47835865
So, that's it?
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>>47834409
dire rat
dog
junkyard cat (use small cat stats)
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>>47836177
Ugh... so only shit tier companion? Dog is super fragile as an companion
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>>47835192
Dread, she'll take you places you never knew you wanted to go.
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>>47836054
I like the Bruce Banner flavor, but it doesn't look like I can get YUGE. The identity doesn't stack with with enlarge person or anything like that right?
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>>47836025
Metamorph Alchemist
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>>47836207
It is an island, so I'm sure you can find a burd.
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>>47835937
I've got two campaigns; one I'm playing in and one I'm running. The first has been on-going for about 4-5 years and we're almost done with it. Coincidentally, it's also Kingmaker. Our DM has gotten really frustrated with how poorly-written the last book in the AP is, and we've got one player who will have to move out-of-state next month so we're in a hurry to try and finish the campaign before he leaves, but I think we're also excited to be so close to completing this long adventure.

The second campaign one I'm running, like I said, and it's pretty new. Only one session in so far, discounting Session 0. It's for a different group than the one I'm playing the first campaign with, and is an online game instead of a meat space one. It's too early to really say how things are going, but I'm both nervous and excited to see how things will play out.
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>>47836231

Enlarge Person doesn't stack with magical effects but Brute Form is Ex
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>>47836261
Axe Beak might be the best choice then. It's listed as the second popular mount in town.
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>>47836051
Combat expertise requires 13 in what is a dump stat for most partials because lolfuckyou, and no one actually uses it; when anyone takes it, it's because it's a prerequisite for a bunch of other feats. It needs to go.
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>>47835865
Someone should post that on the paizo forums
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>>47835316
Any more suggestion? I found Dominate Person on Shaman list and Litany of Vengeance on Paladin list. Are those worth taking?
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>>47835316
Sorry, but mystic past life only allows you to pick one other class' spell list. For a fullcaster, I recommend inquisitor or paladin. They get high-level spells at a relatively low spell level because they only have partial casting, but it works much better for you.
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>>47836025
Deuregar Monk
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>>47835790
Harbinger 19-Your maneuvers now ignore immunities on the enemy.
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Is it worth making a girl account to post homebrew?
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>>47836688
>girl account
What?
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>>47836688
>girl account
Anon...
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>>47836688
Giant in the playground, not girl. How the fuck did my autocorrect fuck that up, and why does 4chan never abort a post when I press the button.
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>>47836695
>>47836698
Sorry, meant girl account.
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>>47836540
I don't see "one other class" restriction.
Maybe I'm blind, but could you elaborate on that?
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>>47836707
Then yes.
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>>47836721
Hahahahaha
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/tg/, create a silly, yet effective build. Bard with Weird Words? Color Spray everything? SHOW ME.
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>>47836725
The wording says "another spellcasting class" singular. Not "other spellcasting classes" plural.
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>>47836748
Alchemist Vivisectionist as a master chef
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>>47836776
Hmm.. I guess I would go with Inquisitor then... maybe pick up stuff that Druid lack.

Divine Power (haste effect)
Break Enchantment
Restoration
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>>47836748
Old Lady Stalker with innocuous servant, Mythril Currant, and a set of extra sharp sewing needles.

She gathers info for her party by pretending to be a scullery maid, then knits them comfy sweaters and scarves during their downtime.
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Yo, DSPfags, does Raging Hulk work with Invulnerable Rager?
Asking since Paizo recently published a FAQ saying Invulnerable Ragers aren't eligible for the Extra DR rage power due to trading away the Damage Reduction class feature.
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>>47836014
Four towers, all based on elements, (fire, water, acid, air)

Towers must be deactivated, smashed, other otherwise neutralized.

As the PCs deactivate them, the others become empowered.

Towers summon enemies and cast spells themed to their element.

Summoned enemies get stronger and spells become more powerful, according to which towers are done last.

Example: Fire tower starts the fight summoning small fire elementals, and casting produce flame, if done last, it might be casting empowered fireballs and summoning large fire elementals.


All towers are proving a shield to BBEG, shield gets weaker as more towers are removed.
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>>47834964
General undead antics as we travel across the countryside in our walking undead fortress. We're currently wanted fugitives in said country so fun should occur, seeing how easy we are to spot inside a 3 story tall skeleton.
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>>47835937
Which one of them is pic related?
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>>47835865
Where is more?
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>>47837128
>Invulnerability (Ex): At 2nd level, the invulnerable rager gains DR/— equal to half her barbarian level. This damage reduction is doubled against nonlethal damage. This ability replaces uncanny dodge, improved uncanny dodge, and damage reduction.
>Raging Hulk: For the purpose of level requirements for rage powers or astral suit customizations, add your levels of barbarian and aegis together. Damage reduction from either class stacks. In addition, any time you enter a rage, you can activate augment suit as a free action.

Why wouldn't they work together? Actually the DR should stack already (since both are DR/-), unless Paizo changed that from 3.5.
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>>47837479
>Why wouldn't they work together?
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9uqg
>The rage power refers to the class feature damage reduction, meaning that it doesn’t help invulnerable ragers’ invulnerability class feature. The suggestion for the archetype to take that rage power in the suggested rage powers is in error and will be removed in the next errata.
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>>47837490
God damn are they not even pretending to despise martials anymore?
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>>47837526
I worded that poorly but you know what I mean, fucking piazo
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>>47837490
>>47837526
Yep, at this point they're actively ignoring what the text says.
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>>47834964
Fighting those disgusting half-ogres in the Sketter Ditches. And the shadow stirges. And their bristle boars. And bartering with that fat Zhaan-look-alike bloodrager AGAIN..
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>>47837490
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>>47836748
Alchemist with the Syringe Stirge discovery who creates a number of stirges, uses a Volatile Vaporizer on an infusion of Invisibility, and poses while the stirges seek and destroy.
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>>47834385
So for some reason I can't copy and paste the trove link on my phone. Could somebody do a brother a favor?
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>>47837930
https://mega.nz/#F!dsxR3KCJ!tbmlmKB_IsgDtzzrlXkVVQ!p4xAFZZR
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>>47837128
>>47837490
So, anyone from DSP here? Gareth? Forrest?
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>>47837985
Based
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>>47837526
Oh no no no, friend. They don't hate martials. They hate old martials in older books.

They want you to buy the Unchained book. By taking away the DR heavy IR build that actually made low AC Barbs work, they just made it so now you have to be Unchained Barbarian if you want the best DR. There's a post on the Paizo thread that goes into detail:

Level: IR / UB
Level 1: 0 / 0
Level 2: 1 / 0
Level 3: 1 / 0
Level 4: 2 / 0
Level 5: 2 / 0
Level 6: 3 / 0
Level 7: 3 / 1
Level 8: 4 / 7
Level 9: 4 / 7
Level 10: 5 / 8
Level 11: 5 / 8
Level 12: 6 / 8
Level 13: 6 / 9
Level 14: 7 / 9
Level 15: 7 / 9
Level 16: 8 / 10
Level 17: 8 / 10
Level 18: 9 / 10
Level 19: 9 / 11
Level 20: 10 / 11

Unchained is now better at DR for a majority of levels than the archetype literally designed to have the most DR. And better yet, you don't even lose uncanny dodge and such -- just some rage powers which are in ample supply for medium level barbarians.

It's the same reason they just now nerfed courageous weapons despite being apparently fine with them for years before. Courageous was a bit of system mastery/exploit that worked with original Barbarians and how their bonuses interacted. Unchained comes out and they re-examine stuff like that and take it away.

Same reason they started coming down hard on Dex to Damage options after Unchained came out -- now Unchained Rogue is your most efficient/versatile dex build.
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>>47838046
How do you get that much DR? Rage powers?
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>>47838084
Yes, taking the Improved Rage power. Pazio's shit and all, but it doesn't really make much sense as an argument in favor of the UB.
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>>47838046
See, the thing is, unchained rogue being the most efficient/versatile Dex build is A-okay in theory, and they have good reasons for not wanting to just make Dex be an even bigger god stat. But they've nerfed all the other options so hard, yet never made rogue even unchained worth playing over anything else. Any other class with Fencing Grace is usually still better off than a rogue overall, even if fencing grace is even shittier than it was before. At best UCRogue is a 3-level dip for martials, or a passive class for gestalts, and even then you might be better off picking another class that offers more overall. Like the Vigilante.
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>>47837998
Forrest is working, I can't answer rules questions, and we haven't had time to chew this over. I can only ask your patience.
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>>47838084
The UB has better Increased Damage Reduction rage powers so you just take those 3 times and you beat out Invulnerable rager. This assumes retraining is allowed.
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>>47838212
Vigilante is trash.
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>>47836740

He's not wrong.

As /pfg/ has proven, we're far more willing to listen to the homebrew ideas of a woman than a man.
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>>47838246

I bet you're going to say some sort of caster is better at that job, you hypocrite.

>Oh woe is me! Casters get all these awesome toys, and martials get fucked over!
>Wait, what's that? You want to play a martial? Fuck you! Play a caster!

This is literally how 90% of the conversations go with you chucklefucks.
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/pfg/ how do I maximum TTGL a boss fight?
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>>47838287
Massive thighs.
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>>47838246
>The Vigilante is trash

And the rogue is a useless piece of dogshit. The point still stands that you'd still be better off playing the Vigilante instead of the rogue in almost all instances, save maybe a few really out-there gimmick builds.

Base vigilante's are still high T4 at minimum, tho.
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>>47838275

But I do play a Caster when I want to have fun....

I don't see the issue. I just think everybody should have the same amount of Versatility and options.
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>>47838287

You don't because that shit and it's memes are so tired and worn out at this point.

There is a reason /m/ hates it's 'fans' and the first blush newfags who are not actually interested in the genre but there because of memetics and Gainax being the weeb and Otaku Messiah
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>>47838275
That's some serious projection there, anon. Here, let me answer my thought process by responding to someone else.

>>47838311
Nah, I just don't like your solution to someone playing a shitty class that does nothing being to play a very marginally less shitty class that does something poorly.
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>>47838361
>>47838287

What the fuck is TTGL anyway? I've never watched the show but I know plenty about it because everywhere I go I see chucklefucks wearing the glasses and going all CHURNING INNER SPIRIT or some bullshit.
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>>47838311
I showed my boyfriend the Vigilante, and the first thing he did was put together a mix of Batman and Zorro. Stalker specialization, the Fast Getaway rogue Talent, Decoy Ring, Twisting Fear, and Whip of Vengeance. Skill unlock for intimidate is also recommended, though not necessary.

The result is that you have a guy that hits someone from about ten feet away and then vanishes, leaving behind an team of illusory duplicates, so that he can do it again and again, and every time he hits someone he appears again, and Twisting Fear does his Hidden Strike damage as nonlethal, so he can constantly pop in around the battlefield causing people to panic and eventually pass out from fear.
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>>47838397
It takes the whole "shonen fighting spirit" trope and exaggerates it into infinite power, basically. The more you believe you can win the more powerful you are, and the final boss is basically "But if you get too strong bad things happen!"

This entire thing manifests as giant robot fights.
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>>47838226
Ok.
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>>47838364
>That's some serious projection there, anon. Here, let me answer my thought process by responding to someone else.

It's literally the go-to response to everyone asking about build ideas in this fucking general, you silly billy goat.

Someone wants to play a swordsman? Make an Aegis. Bowmaster? Go Cleric! A sneaky freaky backstabbing boy wonder? Well sorry anon, but you're going to be playing a wizard.

It's *exhausting* talking to you guys about classes and constantly trying to wriggle you back into the fact that no, I *don't* want a spell-list.
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>>47838429

That whole premise was already done by other shows decades ago. GaoGsiGar, Getter Robo, etc.

TTGL is supposed to be a homage to all of those shows the Gainax dudes grew up with but newfags with no experience in the mechanics genre of course can't see this.
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Hello /pfg/, I'm relatively new to pathfinder. I'm currently in my third campaign ever so I have a limited amount of knowledge.
So, I've decided to play a MachineSmith from the compatible Neoexodus books and I was a bit confused on crafting constructs when it comes to the class. A vast majority of the class special abilities encourage crafting skills and in particular, crafting constructs. Even giving you for free Craft Construct at 15th level. However, the class doesn't provide you with most of the spells in the prototypes list that are required to build constructs. The key one being Geas/Quest. Is there any work around to that other than just getting someone else in the party to substitute those spells? I'd prefer to create constructs by myself for the party instead of having to rely on them everytime I need to create a construction.
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>>47838471

>mecha genre

Also, most of TTGL was actually robots, only the finale featured spiritual manifestations on another dimension fighting on a cosmic scale.
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>>47838471
>mechanics genre
I know what you meant, but I just imagined an entire genre of FF15 Cids
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>>47838471
I know. I didn't say it wasn't. I just dumbed it down and spoonfed it to the curious guy. It's a perfectly serviceable show that, like most super popular shows, isn't really worth the hype.
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>>47838484
Except for the crafting feat, you can ignore prerequisites for magic item creation by increasing the DC by 5. Doesn't apply to spell completion and spell trigger items.
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>>47838457
>I *don't* want a spell-list.
Then stop playing 3.5. Having a spell list is like a basic, fundamental part of being competent. Having a spell list is the first step to actually having options and being able to work against the way the mechanics are built, against monsters in battle, against skill challenges, and against unorthodox situations.

When people wanted to make martial fighters that competed with the game, they gave the martial classes a spell list they could choose. When they wanted to make the Rogue better, they gave a list of options that you could choose ahead of time, talents that gave you permanent special abilities that'd make a list you can use. When they added powers to the Barbarian, they added Rage Powers that give them a nice, comprehensive list of times that they could do something cool. Again and again, first-party and third-, Pathfinder is about the spell list.
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>>47838537

Considering how prolific 2hu is, I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a Momiji edit of that webm yet.
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>>47838545

It's a good watch and the movies have some great animation but it never really touches on anything substantial or asks any really thought-provoking questions of its audience, nor does it critique anything besides the usual Trend in Japanese media of the old generation needing to stand aside for the new.

Maybe I'm just one of those high-minded faggots who thinks Light and, to a lesser extent, MSG are what media people should be consuming when anime Scofield and mechs become involved.
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Explain to me in few words what's pathfinder like?
It's the only game I could find party for in my city.
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>>47838603

>LoGH

stupid phone
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>>47838618
I'll do it in one.

Cancer
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>>47838618

Complicated, touchy, divisive, lethal and prolific.
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>>47838603
>It's a good watch and the movies have some great animation but it never really touches on anything substantial or asks any really thought-provoking questions of its audience, nor does it critique anything besides the usual Trend in Japanese media of the old generation needing to stand aside for the new.

So it's empty calories, the equivalent of eating a bag of doritos.

I can see why so many people are utterly obsessed with it.
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>>47838618
An overly complicated and imbalanced mess.
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>>47838618
It's a piece of shit.
Play 5e instead.
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>>47838567
>give class a cool list of things they can get that let them do something
>"IT'S ALL SPELL LISTS GUYS"
>Vigilantes have a big list of cool things they can get that let them do something, and have one of the best "not-spell-list" available to "martials"
>"IT'S SHIT AND YOU SHOULD NEVER USE IT"

I seriously don't understand what kind of point you're trying to make here, anon. We all know casters are better than martials in pathfinder, all you're doing is screaming and throwing a bitchfit that someone DARE THINKS a martial class actually didn't get totally shafted out of the gate.
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>>47838651
Can't find party for 5e though.
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>>47838618
Only used because its system is DnD-esque and readily free/available through online means. Otherwise an unsalvageable game
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Hey guys, I'm currently making some homebrew Initiating Archetypes for ACG classes and am currently working on Bloodrager.

I'd like to pick your collective brains for ideas for abilities, themes, and references.

So far all I have is replacing Bloodrage bonuses with a Vitae pool that charges based off of time spent raging, performing bloodline spells by expending Vitae and a manuever, Bloodline-tied disciplines, and sprinkled referenced to Bloodborne and Wheel of Time

>>47838618
poorly balanced 3.5 legacy, with a few good things. A very good GM, a willing party, and perhaps a pinch of 3pp can make it great fun though

>>47838579
I'm surprised no one has made a Greta edit of Momiji yet
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Do you still eat the -2 penalty for oversized weapons even if you grab say a large long sword with two hands?
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>>47838668
Well, then you're shit out of luck.
You can try, but it's suffering.
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>>47838675
I think Greta isn't particularly popular outside of /pfg/.
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>>47838715

This, outside of a nude by Nesoun she's practically unknown.
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>>47838683
Yes. A large longsword counts as a two-handed weapon for medium characters and you can't wield it in one hand at all unless you have a class feature or other ability that lets you use oversized weapons.
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So lots of questions came up in my last session, some of which I'll ask later, but my current one is this;

I've got a player who wants to try a Vigilante, because he's not having fun with his Occultist.

The problem is, he can't really do the normal Vigilante thing (the iconic Red Raven dude), because...there's already a character like that in the campaign. We all agree that with Blackjack running around the city, we don't want to put a second costumed hero on the streets.

So what other options are there for this class? I'm just cracking open the book now, but I'm hoping you guys can help me understand what I'm working with here.
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>>47838751
He could play a Mahou Shoujo
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>>47838779
He can not play a Mahou Shoujo.
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>>47838751
You don't have to be a costumed superhero. It isn't a requirement, it's just pushed by the fluff because paizo is retarded. Just tweak the dual identity so that it is literally just "you have two seperate identities that are both functionally identical, save that people think they're two different people" instead of "this is your average joe identity, and this is your superhero identity, and people think they're two different people".

Basically, make it a ghetto shapeshifting.
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>>47838751
He can take that one cult leader archetype, so he can become the GREATEST COOL
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>>47838804
Isn't that for Mesmerist?
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>>47838751
How far along are you in the campaign? Because this is a problem that could very well solve itself pretty soon depending on where you guys currently are.
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>>47838832
I think he means the Cabalist archetype for the Vigilante. Which actually is pretty decent for playing Gilles De Rais.
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Whats a good rage power to take as a primal disciple barb?
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>>47838832
I'm mean the Cabalist for Vigilante
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/vigilante/archetypes/vigilante-archetypes---paizo-inc/cabalist
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>>47838866
In CoCT? About 2/3 of the way through Book 2. If you're referring to the events of Book 3, I obviously already know about them, and would normally just push him in that direction except There's another PC in the party, a Swashbuckler, who already made his own Blackjack costume and will most likely dive on the opportunity to take his place when they find out he's disappeared in Book 3. I don't want 2 players fighting over the same role.
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Is Irabeth really that bad of an NPC in Wrath of the Righteous? Trannies aside, is she really as much of a spotlight stealer as /pfg/ likes to imply?

Are there any NPCs that do this?
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>>47838885
Anyone?
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>>47839508

>pfg
>playing martials
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>>47838885
You can never go wrong with the spell sunder line.
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>>47837490
Aside from PFS, are there any GMs that actually give any fucks about FAQs and errata and shit? I know I don't.
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>>47839599
Lot's of people use the SRD as their primary source, and it's changed to match the errata.
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>>47839599
>>47839668
Alongside that anybody who buys a newer printing of the book will get the errata, whether or not they know it exists.
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If you take racial heritage for half giant could you take one of their base racial traits such as powerful build?
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>>47834964
No, there are things I -need- to do. So we have some hope of saving the frigging town from the blue dragon we were supposed to kill.
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>>47839819
The easiest way to save a town from the dragon's wrath is tell the townsfolk to worship it and give it all their shinies or they'll die.
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>>47839800
no
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>>47839837
See, they did that, and apparently got tired of it after a long time. Which is why we need to kill it. But it got warned by some FUCKASS, so now it's gone.
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>>47839876
You're fucked if it's smart.
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>>47839912
That's why I am not looking forward to it.
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Why shouldn't I disregard Dex as a TWF Ranger?
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>>47834385
>alex "furfag" augunas
>good
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>>47840130

Because Str is shit and you should go for Dex any chance you're given
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What are some good classes for a demon-blooded Tiefling?

Is Paladin really that cliche?
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>>47840237
Oradin with fey foundling and the tiefling FCB? Oracle could work as well, bloodrager too.
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>>47840237
Skald could be good
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Come one
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>>47840260

What is fey founding from??
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>>47838675
How about a bloodrager archetype based around the blistering invective spell? Like Robotnik from the old cartoon, just throws a tantrum and hurts his opponents with a bellowing rant.

Or better yet, new bloodlines! I've always wanted to play an aquatic or verdant bloodrager.
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>>47840340
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/fey-foundling

>Pathfinder Campaign Setting: The Inner Sea World Guide
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If I get Mythic Power Attack, does it enhance my two handed attacks like normal Power Attack or does it only work on one handed weapons?
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>>47840260
>>47840279

What if I told you it's gestalt?

We've already got an Oradin and I'm trying to figure out the most heartthrob Tiefling ever, because all our class roles are filled and I like tickling one of our player's hard (implied) kinks in monstrous, dorky men.
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>>47840362
It modifies how power attack works, so you'd look back at power attack

>When you use Power Attack, you gain a +3 bonus on melee damage rolls instead of +2. When your base attack bonus reaches +4 and every 4 points thereafter, the amount of bonus damage increases by +3 instead of +2.

>This bonus to damage is increased by half (+50%) if you are making an attack with a two-handed weapon

Damage should be 4, 9, 13, 18, 22, 27
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>>47840384
Oracle/Fighter to gish it up?
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>>47840207
>being a twink
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>>47840237
Last time I played a Tiefling it was a Deamon blooded alchemist VMC oracle with hunger curse.

Demons it depends on what kind of demon you're descended from.
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>>47840130
AC. Also the weapon finesse chain.
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>>47840464

Physical attributes don't determine your physical body.

A guy with huge muscles can have STR 8.
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>>47840560
Are you retarded
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>>47840560
t. Tumblr
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>>47840458
>>47840475

I'll have to consider those, either a big ole fighter dork or partially disabled alchemical dork.
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>>47840575

No, I'm Thomas.
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>>47840575
>>47840592
FYI you are allowed to fluff your character however you want.
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>>47840354
>How about a bloodrager archetype based around the blistering invective spell? Like Robotnik from the old cartoon, just throws a tantrum and hurts his opponents with a bellowing rant.
I'm already planning to do something like that with Skald

>new Bloodlines
I may in the future, but not today. Right now I wanna get the Initiating Bloodrager to a serviceable state first before moving on.
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>>47838618
It's bad, but less so than its competitors. You'll have fun if you're with the right people.
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>>47840622
And other people are allowed to assume you're retarded and mock you based on your chosen fluff.
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>>47840575
He's right in a way. You know those chiseled as fuck Mr Universe guys? They're nowhere near as strong as they look. Look at worlds strongest men competitions, guys who drag literal trains, those guys may look fat but that fat is feeding enough muscle to hurl boars across rivers.
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>>47840622

>my STR 7 Cha 7 Wizard is super hot and muscular
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>>47840404
>mfw my DM messaged me telling me that my power attack was off
>tfw he said he searched up paizo forums and that they said the 50% doesn't happen with mythic power attack
>this was probably in response to me almost one shotting the boss


I searched myself and the forum on paizo had only one person who said mythic power attack didn't affect regular power attack.
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>>47838651
Or he could watch paint dry, it'll be about as exciting as playing 5e.
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>>47840651
>>47840658
Synthol and the being a good looking creep who doesn't know how to communicate.
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>>47840622
refluffing works up to a certain point
>but I have 5 charisma, but I'm really a super popular super model that everyone adores
>I have 7 intelligence, but my character is totally a genius mathematician
When you start re fluff shit that is in direct opposition to what you're character sheet would indicate, you may as well just free form.
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>>47840655
Sure, lad, but they're not fucking 8 Str either. If they have prominent muscles, it is because they have actual muscle mass. Not because they're weaker than the average person.
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What's a dead simple character with no options that is still useful?
I mean, not a Fighter, but a simple character with no spells, maneuvers, powers, whatever, that still manages to be useful to the party and fun to play.
My friend wants to join our PF group but he can't be bothered to do complicated shit in fights, he just wants in on the RP. What should I suggest he plays?
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>>47840655
The issue is, I doubt those Mr.Universe guys are super dextrous either. PF stats scale pretty fucking wonky. but a 8 strength character would not be muscular. Athletic, yeah, but not muscular.
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>>47838668
Why would you want to? 5e isn't for players, it's for bad DMs who want to have their power trips without there being actual rules for players to contradict them with.
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>>47840695
>no options
>still useful
Pick one and only one.
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>>47840695
Another game.
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>>47840695
Nothing, simple and useful(in the way you describe) is not a thing in pathfinder. Play something else.
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I want to be super weak mechanically but still ultra powerful and I don't want to think. Tell me how to do this or you're all liar degenerate faggot idiots.
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>>47840658
Eh, I played once a 7 Cha Aasimar archer that was a prettyboy that was extremely shy in social situations, particularly because he was ashamed at his utter lack of manliness amongst fellow martials.
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>>47840719
Wizard, of course.
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>>47840733
>wizard
>super weak mechanically
cuck retard paidrone detected
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>>47840695
Unchained Barbarian is the only option, only because it has less math since that seems to be what you friend can handle
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>>47840740
Are you dumb?
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>>47840751
autist sperglord touhou confirmed
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>>47840751
Just ignore him, he's a super obvious shitposter. He's looking for (You)s and will leave without them
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>>47840769
I've been here over a year, don't worry. I'm never leaving.
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Is there any way to accommodate a non-gestalt character in a party of gestalt characters?
Maybe give him a bunch of extra feats or something?
Is it even possible?

I've got a player in one of my games that is adamant on playing JUST a Magus for whatever reason and wants to not be Gestalt. He says he's okay with being weaker than everyone else. I'd still like to keep him in line with the rest of the party, though.
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>>47840795
Tell him to just choose fighter on the other side.
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>>47840795
Tell us what everyone else is capable of doing. If the magus can perform on the same general level, then he'll be fine.
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>>47840795
Make him have a feat every level and give him full bab with d10. Stealth-gestalt him with a fighter.
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>>47840804
I have!
He strictly refuses to partake in the Gestalt system.

>>47840809
I've got an Oradin, a PsyArm//Inquisitor and an OD Warder//Mystic
He'd need a bit of help, definitely.

>>47840821
That's not a bad idea, actually.
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>>47840795
Make him the party cocksleeve.
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>>47840695
A real character's familiar.
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>>47840837
Tell him to find a different game. Most of us can only dream of playing Gestalt, and here he's refusing to do so just to be contrarian.
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>>47840795
>guy playing a magus in a gestalt game
>refuses to partake in all the cool shit you can gestalt with a magus
>ACTIVELY REFUSES TO USE GESTALT

How can one man be THIS MUCH OF A FAGGOT?
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>>47840874
This is a friend-group game and everyone loves this guy. It's not really an option kick him out.
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>>47840874
>tfw two gestalt characters atm
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>>47840903
>tfw three gestalt characters atm one of which is mythic
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>>47840902

Find better, less retarded friends.
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>TFW Bushi and Dervish Defender don't stack.

But how am I to get my Daisho Dual Wield on?
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>>47840916
>tfw all five of my 3.pf gestalt characters are epic and mythic
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>>47840929
>tfw my tristalt mythic epic character succeeded in her plot to release rovagug and killed all the gods and destroyed the universe
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>>47840899
I'm convinced half of /pfg/ hasn't ever gestalted. It's really not all it's cracked up to be.

Gestalting basically exasperates and punishes people who don't want to spend all day cheesing their character. It only really makes the gap between the super experienced players and regulars worse.
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>>47840923
You aren't, fuck you
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>>47840940
>only tristalt
>only one universe
>tfw my omnistalt character has crossed over into multiple other systems and is destroying their universes
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>>47840940
>tfw running quadstalt epic mythic right now
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>>47840923

Suck It up and take ewp and daisho expert, dual wield wakizashi.
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>>47840968
>>47840967
>tfw my character become so powerful that it took control of me and I killed my GM, effectively snuffing out infinite universes
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>>47840946

Newfags need to learn. Sometimes that is done through suffering.
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>>47840983
>tfw I am your character
>tfw this is the singularity
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>>47840983
>tfw my character is currently making America great again
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>>47841006

Bernie????
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>>47840996
Why the fuck should they learn a rare, unofficial play varient that seldom comes up in the first place.

I thought the whole point of gestalting was having fun and playing character concepts that you wouldn't necessarily get to play otherwise due to mechanical hassle. Not cheesing for the sake of cheesing.
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Guys, what race would I play if I want horse-dick without being a Centaur or Minotaur or whatever other -taurs there are?
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>>47841033
Human. Racial Heritage, man.
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>>47840996
Also, this isn't necessarily "new player tier" this is "guy who makes reasonable characters getting made into a butt boy by the other 2 players who spend 10+ years playing 3.5 and at least half a decade making silly shit on min max boards" shit.
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>>47841033
tiefling/aasimar/changeling/skinwalker or changer or whatever the beast race is.
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>>47841033
An awakened horse is your best bet.
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>>47841033

Tiefling.

No, seriously, they probably have horse-dick.
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>>47841024

Or it could be used to help bad classes. Like a Paladin|Monk, or anything with full BAB really.
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>>47840703
This.
I've found two 5e DMs in my town.
one has played /one/ 5e campaign, as a player, and immediately decided she would make her own deal where it's entirely based off of fairy tail, ignoring/plugging rules whereever she wants, and renaming basically 90% of the stuff in game to fit fairy tail.

The other ignores rules and comes up with as much bullshit as he wants, like enemies having "bloodied" instant attacks, attacks on death, monsters being able to attack of opportunity when someone -enters- their threat range, constantly argues with the rogue about how disengage works after it's been pointed out like 8 times, lets certain players use their multi-attack to cast spells and still have 1-2 more attacks because "it's an attack, right? so they should be able to replace it with spells" despite the fact that it nullifies the entire Eldritch Knight class...
it's a fucking mess.

5e would be great, if it weren't for the awful, awful GMs.
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>>47841050

Naw man, Aasimar are for barbed dicks.

Skinwalkers are for the knot.
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>>47841046

I don't see how it's their fault for being offered something that they enjoy playing and accepting it whereas this other guy is being a contrarian fuckhead.
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>>47841070
That defeats the point when some guy is using two great classes instead of one guy using one bad class and one okay class.
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>>47841120

Then tell them they cannot gestalt two full casters. Done.
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>>47841120

Well that guy is a cunt.
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>>47841106
It is if your concept is actively shat on by the inclusion of gestalt. Their are some classes and concepts that JUST DO NOT WORK, in gestalt especially when compared to some other classes.
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>>47841131
That's one of the least abusable things to do in gestalt.
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>>47841131
It's not just full casters anon.

Gestalt turns one inch gaps into chasms. Full casters or no.
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>>47841148
what the fuck
like what
what class would get worse from having a fighter glued to it
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>>47841171
>>47841164

Provide examples.
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>>47841176
It's not necessarily a class gets worse, it's that a class isn't really improved that much by gestalting and that creates a power vacuum that wouldn't be their before.
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>>47841056
>>47841051
>>47841050
>>47841043

Why is /pfg/ unironically answering the question of a guy that's literally asking how he can give his character a horse dick.
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>>47841186
You have more spells to cast, but you're only casting 1 or 2 a round still. You could go paladin 2/ anything x // oracle and still have full spell casting progression, better armor, better HP, saves, and damage.
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>>47841198
It is the greatest goal one can pursue
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>>47841198
It's preferable to how the past few threads have gone, honestly.
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>>47841198
It's legitimately better than a lot of other shit people can get up to.
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>>47841186
Let's say we have two players. One guy wants to be a Mystic the other a stalker. Mystics are stronger than Stalkers, but in a normal game it's not really THAT big a deal.

Now lets gestalt this.

The mystic decides to be an psychic armory or an awakened blade soulknife. The stalker takes monk or brawler. This is when problems start happening.
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>>47841198

A man asks a question, they deserve an answer.

We judge not the content of the question, only the tone.
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>>47841033
I'd imagine that medium creatures would have an easier time taking horse dick, a good charisma and skill focus in handle animal would help. I recommend half elf if you want horse dick.
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>>47840946
>>47840996
>rare optional system that never gets used
>opens up the possibility for really silly builds that would otherwise never work
>somehow the fact that you can cheese it with broken shit makes the entire thing terrible
>people not agreeing on the level of power beforehand means you can never have fun

Half the reason I want to play a gestalt game is so I can have a silly but functional gestalt combo with T3 classes, maybe a low T2 class with a certain gimmick if I want to stretch. A Bladebound Kensai Magus||Empiricist Investigator for example, or even just a dumb combo like Promethean Alchemist||Synthesist Summoner.

I also don't want to do Gestalt with a full party because that's a clusterfuck. Either a 1-on-1 game or a game with only 2 PCs is where I'd want to use it, meaning who gives a shit how ridiculous the gestalt gets?
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>>47841214

I thought the greatest goal one could pursue is the knot.
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>>47841232
True, then just ask your players not to be dicks. Problem solved.
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>>47841232

>brawler or monk

That is entirely their fault for not making an informed decision.
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>>47841239

While this is very true, I believe anon was asking how to bestow a horse-cock upon his character, rather than have it thrust into him during the campaign itself.
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So, quick Spheres of Power question, since there's talk at my table of turning to that for a magic system.

If one of my friends makes a martial character, and they take Basic Magical Training and Advanced Magical Training and Extra Talent within the Alteration sphere to grab Bestial Reflexes, are they able to pounce once they have Reflexes safely in hand or do they have to wait until level 10 to be able to apply it?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm still digesting how the Spheres work.
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>>47834385
>that artwork
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>>47841251
are you literally telling me to talk to my players
what the fuck dude
are you retarded
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>>47841273
Yes, I am posting here after all.
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>>47841273
>are you retarded

We're all retards here, anon.
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>>47841251
Part of the appeal of gestalt is to make mediocre options good.


>>47841251
This isn't a matter of being dicks. Both players aren't really minmaxing. It's just that gestalt exaggerates problems that wouldn't normally be an issue.
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>>47841270
Sounds like it works mate. You pick which traits to add to your shapeshift from what you have, as long as you don't go over your trait limit.
Also, you don't even need to take Extra Talent if you took the Lycanthropic Drawback to grant you your bonus talent
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>>47841271
seems like someone could have edited this to cut out certain things to make it a better reaction image, I think.
like "the name of a real" or "book"
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>>47841257
While that may be RAI, by RAW it can go either way so >>47841239 has a perfectly valid reading.
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So /pfg/, rate my homebrew

Level 4
Casting Time: 1 minute
Components: S
Range: Personal
Taget: You
Duration: Hours/level

You create a duplicate body that you transfer your consciousness to. While in this body you retain all casting ability, but if you are killed you return to your original body and begin dying at -1 HP.
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>>47841422
No
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>>47841422
You need to be specific on a few things. IS it your exact person? does it have your stats? equipment? Are both you and your clone awake at a time or not? what happens to the body?

details man
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>>47841440
Main body is comatose, duplicate body is weaker physically and doesn't duplicate equipment, when it's killed it fades away.
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>>47841346

Sweet. Thanks, anon!

I'm gonna have to see if I can make an Alteration specialist and Asura it up sometime.

Although I'll probably need to use Slams rather than unarmed strikes.
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>>47841492
There are full BAB half casters in the book, that could help
Though I'd recommend avoiding Armorist. Its kinda trash
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>>47841484
then write that in, and be specific about it How weaker is it exactly?
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Anybody got that hellknight book?
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How would a 1 on 1 solo campaign work? Has anyone done it before? Are there Pathfinder APs that would work alright as a solo camapign with some editing?
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>>47840384
Oooh Oooh.

Tiefling (vanilla +Dex/Int, -Cha version) Investigator/Slayer. Dump Charisma. Be the bookish/nerdy guy who uses their vast intellect and knowledge to fight enemies, but is clueless about how to act like a normal person.
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>>47841786
A real damn challenge for DM, and not something for newbie players, unles its oneshot system introduction. Unless you want to run campaign that has next to no combat situations you'll have to give your player some companions and play them while running the whole game.
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>>47841856

That sounds adorable.

but should he have horse dick tho.
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>only having one penis
plebeians
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>>47841856

>Investigator/Slayer

Oh my god he's a Witcher with horns and terrible fashion sense.

I love it, *love it.*

Wait, should I play him as a Witcher, or a trenchcoated private dick with a cigarette best found under a street lamp?
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>>47841786
Like >>47841922 said, it's going to be a pain in the ass for a newbie. Most classes straight up CANNOT solo a campaign, even higher tier characters. There are exceptions, though. Master Summoner, to name the main one. Leadership is also something that should be considered as an automatic bonus feat if it's a true solo campaign, too, but that puts more work on the GM if the player isn't experienced enough to keep tabs on a second character.

The list of exceptions also gets larger if the PC is allowed to gestalt.
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>>47841978

Not all of us can be Lizardfolk, anon.
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>>47841985
Could go either way, if you decide to take Empiricist. Which you probably should.

Hell, you could probably pull off both if you really wanted!
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>>47842034
Alter Self would fix that though, right?
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>>47841978
Dis nigga knows whats up
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>having a finite number of penises
plebeians

tentacle beast masterrace, only race
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>>47842052
>actually read this
what the fuck is happening?
granted, I started on volume 2 since thats where the link led me, but still.
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>>47836319
Is axe beak basically a chocobo?
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>>47842221
Basically, but it's named Axe-Beak, which is another bird enemy in FF.
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>>47842206
>Old man lizard decided to mess with them
>Assassin boy thought there was danger and came to save the girls
>they see his tiny dick
then this happens.
Then Lamia girl shows shes a lamia, and old man lizard tries to hit on her

Really, if you have finished this series, I suggest doing so, especially if you can get back to Vol 1. Its a pretty fun fantasy romp
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>>47840560
You're joking right?
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>>47842286
Series name?
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>>47842324
http://mangapark.me/manga/monster-collection/s1/v1/c0
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>>47842324
Monster Collection

And no, its not about monstergirls
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>>47842347
Danke!
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>>47842286

>why I'm not allowed to make a Lizardfolk bard

but now you can have some double-stuffing without another guy.
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>>47840130
even TWF rangers will find a reason to use ranged attacks at some point, initiative, reflex saves, AC, and seven dex skills versus two strength skills and zero con skills
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>>47840837
Get him to gestalt with one of he NPC classes, at least. A few BAB from Warrior or skills from Adept would be super simple to add in but give some benefits
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/pfg/ I'm stuck on trying to understand something.

Stuff from the Arcane Anthology book isn't put up on the reference websites yet but it's available in the trove. It adds meditation books and prayer books, which are reflavoured spellbooks that function for spontaneous arcane and diving spellcasters respectively. They also have the whole preparatio nritual thing.

There's one call "Songs of the Linnorm Kings" (p.5) with a preparation ritual that lets you cast a spell written in the book under some conditions. It's mentioned as being a Skald Meditation Book, although there's also rules in the book to circumvent class-specific spellbook restrictions with respect to the prepatation rituals.

Since a Skald can't write spells into a spellbook normally (right?), is the intention behind this item just to allow them access to the spells in the book without having to actually learn those spells?
Or is the intention that classes can now write spells into their spell/prayer/meditation books even if they can't cast from them (with the exception of Songs of the Linnorm Kings)?
Or could classes always write spells into spellbooks but just had no use for it?
Or something else? I'm pretty dumb.
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>>47842643
If memory serves, Preparation Rituals are basically just special effects you get for using special spellbooks.

Given that only specific classes USE spellbooks at all, meditation/prayer books are there to let other people get similar things.
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>>47841978
Nigga, I'm a dragonblooded sorceror with the drakeblooded subtype, I got hemi-peni
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>>47842643
>When you use this meditation ritual, choose a spell of 2nd level or lower in this meditation book. Whenever you cast a bard or skald conjuration spell, you can spend this boon as a swift action to add the chosen spell to your list of bard or skald spells known for 1 round.
So exactly that, they can use the spells in the book in addition to spells they already know, but they don't actually learn those spells.
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>>47837439

The foxboy.
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>>47842710
Ok, so since the preparation ritual for Songs of the Linnorm Kings is basically "After doing X, you can add a 2nd level of lower spell from this book to your list of spells known for 1 round", the spells it enables you to cast should be limited to the ones preset in the book, correct?

IE you can't just add whatever spells you want as a Wizard does via scrolls or w/e.
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>>47842727
Yeah, I guess my question was moreso "Can you add spells to this spellbook as a Wizard does?"
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>>47842758
Apparently. There's even a bit a little further up about transferring preparation rituals to other books.

Go nuts.
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>>47842793

Sweet, thanks anon(s).

Do you think I'd need scribe scroll in order to do so, though? Wizards (who most of the base spellbook rules are written for) get it at level 1 and are assumed to always have it afaik, so is there any reason to think that srcibe scroll would be necessary to write spells into a spellbook?
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>>47842716
>Nigga, I'm a dragonblooded sorceror with the drakeblooded subtype, I got hemi-peni

Wait, so you're a human with two human-style dicks?

Lucky.
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>>47842856
Why, they're small in comparison to all the other flavours of dicks in the world.
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>>47842873

Individually yes, but if you jammed both of them in the same hole they're downright massive!

Or you could stick one in the natural way and one up the butt for some one-person tag-teaming!
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>>47842839
I seem to recall at least one wizard archetype gives it up.

And as far as I can see, it only specifies that transferring preparation rituals needs Scribe Scroll.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Magi don't get scribe scroll, and they use spellbooks.
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>>47842893
I'm out, new thread when
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>>47842904

Ah, forgot about magus, awesome, thanks anon!
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>>47842916
No. We've had too much of this shit. If your too creeped out then leave for a day or a week instead of begging for a new thread every time someone hurts your feefees, you wanker
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>>47842939
You seem overly upset
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New thread:
>>47842950
>>47842950
>>47842950
>>47842950
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>>47835878
I've done a similar thing with finesse, though there's a marked difference.

>all light weapons have innate dex-to-attack
>finessable weapons also have innate dex-to-attack
>weapon finesse is not a feat
>combat expertise, power attack, and deadly aim are all combat options instead of feat, requiring at least a +1 BAB to use
>Improved combat maneuvers divided into Deft Moves and Powerful Moves
>Agile Maneuvers kicked, DEX applies to CMB if using a finessable weapon

There's a bundle more of 'em, but that's what's relevant to what you've written.
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>>47842952
Because shitposter keep making new threads that are aborted shits until we get to having 4 pathfinder threads at a single time.

/pfg/ shouldn't have to bend to your whims. It should run as long as it can until page 9 or 10, then organically proceed to a new thread so that the old one can be left to drop off no problem.

All this faggotry is doing is clogging the board with pathfinder generals, and murdering other threads
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>>47843019
Yeah, you're salty. One thread gets knocked off, and it's either one that already reached the posting limit or had so few posters that they couldn't keep it off of page 10. It's not murder, it's going to happen when every thread creates a new one.
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