Pathfinder General /pfg/

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First for robots.

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Second for spear husbandos.

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I want to walk the path of explosions, how do I accomplish this? Sphere casting? Dualblooded dragon/orc sorcerer? Psionics? I just want to make the biggest most fun attacks I can!

>>47824349
Is that picture an ad for 11ft poles?

>>47824405
Gambler Kineticist (DSP archetype).

>>47824416
Which book is that archetype in?

>>47824429
None yet, it's a playtest atm as far as I know.

>>47824436
Oh! Psionics Augmented: Occult, in the suppository. Danke!

>>47824444
>suppository
You may be misusing that word.

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>>47824444
>suppository
Anon I...

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Last thread gave us a lot of waifus and how to court them.

Of the waifus listed and their purpose in a character backstory, which one did you believe to be the most compelling?

I'm working out a character for a turbocharged E6 campaign.

>>47824525
It needs to be a pure angelic waifu/husbando, anon, with eyes only for you.

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>>47824562
They also needs eyes to see that evil they must smite!

>>47824459
>>47824492
Well, it's Pathfinder material after all.

>>47824574
Just because it's shit it doesn't mean you should put it up your butt anon.

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>>47824562
>>47824573

>Angelic waifu
>Not Valkyrie

Make his love a mighty celestial spear-maiden that will only unite with her lover in death.

That is his purpose, he seeks a warrior's death. The stronger he gets, the greater the battle needs to be to qualify.

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>>47824573
You know what I meant, silly.
They don't need eyes if they're a spear

So my character is becoming a terrifying, flesh eating predator, something on the levels of a vampire or man eating tiger levels of taste for the hunt.

What are some subtly creepy foibles and shit I can give him to signify to the rest of the party something is very, very wrong with the usually quiet oracle?

I'm thinking maybe a bowl of illusion-ed 'apples' that if anyone ever steals one turn out to be pigs hearts maybe? That sort of thing.

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>>47824636
Saya no Uta had a scene where the main character found Saya feasting on strange fruits in his living room. Because of a brain injury normally he saw everything covered in gore, and being completely disgusting looking. Except these apples. Later on you find out that they're just skinned human parts. Gotta peel the flesh off the fruit to get to the juicy bits. It was gross.

>>47824593
Are you saying papa lied when he told me he was putting tomorrow's poops in there every night?

>>47824825

No, he was just putting the glue in there that keeps the poops from getting slimy.

>>47824636
Well, if he keeps his wits about he, he will want to keep killing for food to the minimum. Maybe staying behind with fallen humanoid enemies to give them "last rites"? Will want to eat separately, basically not be seen eating by the rest of the party. Skipping "normal" meals. Taking lone walks late at the night.

>>47824925
I'm planning to have him vent it on animals for the most part.
Going hunting alone so he can kill rabbits with his bare hands and consume them raw.
Waiting in the dark, perfectly still for a deer or bird to approach him before tearing into them.

He isn't likely to ever attack a humanoid for the same reason most people wouldn't, its not only immoral, its not the only source of meat on hand.

>>47824405
See:
>>47805148

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I am so fucking sick of Pathfinder players.

Do you faggots know why "core only" campaigns exist? Do you know? It's not because of "muh balance" or "muh broken homebrew" it's because these fuckcunts won't even play the core races and classes anymore. I am so fucking sick of these fucking mongoloid fucks. Every time I GM for them, they have to play shit from a sourcebook. My current group has a summoner, a witch, a magus, and an inquisitor. ONE person is playing a core class (druid). The others.... I don't even know what the fuck they are playing.

I had to strangle them to get them to play core races as well. I can't even do a regular fantasy world anymore. Everone has to play a sex-positive YES! ogrehalfelf-kin trans-racial whatever-the-fuck with six templates attached. No. Play EDO, you fucking faggots, that's what you've driven me to.

I love the new races and new classes in Patfhinder and I loved them in 3.5 but holy FUCK am I sick of everyone playing some full caster that belongs to some weirdo freak race that doesn't even exist in this setting, let alone the region you started in.

This is D&D, not Star Wars. I am so fucking sick of these walking freakshow parties. I want to go back to AD&D where you had a group of elven fighter-thieves in studded leather going around killing giant centipedes on a quest to the minotaur kingdom to rescue some random NPC's brother.

Not this gay-ass faggot star wars shit with literal rapid fire guns and space robots in a FUCKING FANTASY SETTING

>>47824999
Combat is usually integral part of D&D game, I'm not saying you would kill humanoids for food, but you might kill humanoids for other reasons, and you know, waste not.

Ideally what your party should notice is that you're skipping normal meals, you might explain it as "asceticism " if confronted about it.

>>47824687
>look up saya no uta on wikipedia
wow, that's all kinds of fucked up.

What's the sauce on that gif? same thing?
I thought it was only a VN.

>>47825060
Maybe they want to try out something new?

Maybe you aren't making the "core" races and classes fun enough to play?

>>47825060
Casey, is that you?

>>47825060
>FUCKING FANTASY SETTING
Yes, with planets and mecha robots and ww1 happening somewhere and Rovagug(azathoth) buried in the center of the planet.

This isn't LotR dude. This is pathfinder.

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>>47825092
>all kinds of fucked up.
The soundtrack is neat.

>>47824687
>Saya no Uta
>gross
Kids these days...

>Play Branded/Hunger Dual Cursed Lunar Changeling Oracle
>Level 5
>4 Natural attacks & Animal Companion
>noble scion of war/prophetic armor/branded/steadfast personality
>use charisma for initiative & all saves & AC (neglect everything else)
>take power attack
>take that one trait for extra damage forget the name
>all attacks are primary natural attacks

Am I a monster for doing this?

>>47825060
>back to AD&D
You know that's when they introduced the space elves and shit, right? AD&D was a free-for-all of settings and rules systems, and it was, frankly, kind of a mess.

but if you want to play it just run a damn game. It's not like the books have stopped having rules in them.

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>>47825060

>>47825060

I totally agree with you.

I have been in about four campaigns within the last two years, and in *all* of them I was the only martial, and the only human. It's honestly kind of tiring how the DM asks us to make characters for a Taldor campaign and I'm the only one that shows up with a Taldan, and people get FUCKING ANGRY that the locals actually prefer interacting with me.

Why are people so utterly disinterested in playing a human? Why are humans still scoffed at by you chucklefucks as "common" when they're extremely rare as PCs?

>>47825151
it's a martial setup, so no

>>47825151
Who else is in the group and what do they do?

>>47825060
An older edition had fucking space elves with giant robots that were actually giant undead fucking insects.

Pathfinder hasn't come fucking CLOSE to that level yet.

>>47825060
I'm sorry, but "core only" only has one single balanced class and that is the Bard. Sorc is overtuned, Barb/Pala/Ranger are significantly undertuned due to the lack of all the extra content from other PF books. Rogue and Fighter are terrible, Monk is shit. Wizard, Cleric and Druid are all easy to make into broken monsters.
Had the core lineup been something more akin to Sorc/Magus/Bard/Oracle/Inquisitor/Hunter/Paladin/Warpriest, then you would have a point to make. As is right now? Hell no.

>>47825186
Yeah, those fuckers wanting to be competent in more than one field!

>>47825186
People are fucking sick of humans because they play one every day in real life, bro.

>>47825060
Play a different fucking system, spergmeister

>>47825192
Except I'm also a full caster.

>>47825186
>free +2 and a feat, and some skill points.
>objectively best FCB in half of the classes.
???

>/pfg/ bitches endlessly about how martials get the shaft
>Hybrid classes get released giving competent martials, DSP releases non-magical martial classes that are actually functional
>/pfg/ still sticks to their magical bullshit while bitching about martials

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>47825256
Old memes die hard.

>>47824349
/pfg/ are the creepiest monsters that anyone has seen

>>47825250
Well, yes, so you're a monster, but you're not monster for doing what you asked about doing.

>>47825186

I have the opposite problem. Generally speaking it's very rare for me to see people playing NON-humans. You get one or two elves/half-elves, sometimes. Maybe. And the odd halfling. But otherwise, just humans.

>>47825254

And yet you never see people playing a goddamn human even though you're emphasizing how good they are.

>>47825232

What the hell does competent even mean anymore? Are you all playing some nightmare 15 PB bullshit with a hostile DM?

Do you even realize that a Slayer is not only competent at a plethora of fighting styles, but has enough skills to be useful in everything from tracking to lock-picking?

This isn't even bringing up PoW classes, which have built-in incentives to be competent off the field.

You guys are ridiculous with what you consider "competent" or not, it's like you guys think a class that can't slap the DM over the head with its fat, turgid dick is a class simply retarded at a role.

>>47825222
What about regular elves and regular undead?

>>47825308

Where are you getting these players? Because I've literally never ran into a situation where at least 50% or even 25% of applicants in an LFG are playing humans.

It's always a half-elf, or a dhampir, or a half-orc, or a gnome or Halfling or anything that's kinda human, but not really.

>>47825337
I've played two characters and both were human, laddiwad.

>>47825337
I agree that the "competent" bar is set incredibly high. I blame the high lethality of pathfinder combat at all levels, and that character deaths suck and can be narrative breaking.

Even if you only have a 10% chance to die in each encounter, that means that on average every 7 encounters. That can suck.

"Competent" is build around "how often can I roll below a 5 for the entire fight and still survive".

Players need to win again and again, monsters only need two crits in a row once.

>>47825374
>>47825375
I also agree. Over half of the character's I've seen or played with are human.

>>47825141
I'll have to have a listen.
>>47825143
it's pretty gross, after a cursory glance, but if you don't consider that to be at least somewhat gross, what would you consider?
IRL video stuff would be cheating

>>47825399
>that means that you will die on average every 7 encounters. That can suck.
phoneposting

>>47825092
That gif is from KonoSuba, which is the source of Best Girl Megumin. It's also VERY different from Saya no Uta.

>>47825289
Fucking oath, goddamn you chucklefucks

>>47825143
Yeah, but I'm squeamish. I somehow forced myself through it to recover after reading Usagi Drop.

>>47825256
Speak for yourself, I play stupid martials all the time and love it. Way more fun to fight something than to say "I win".

>>47825375

And yet every time you see a player talking about their group, there's always just one human in the party, or none at all.

I'm just sick and tired and mad as hell that I keep getting the moans of special snowflakes in my groups who get all indignant a majority-human country actually wants to interact with the human member of their group.

Like oh my god, I've actually had a player whine to the DM that he's being favoritist towards me because a guardsman made some sly comments about the makeup of the group while reporting to my human dude.

These people want the instant diversity of a non-human race with literally none of the drawbacks, they feel like those people that scoff at white Hetero men as "boring" while posting a new pronoun on tumblr.

>>47825374
>konosuba
oh, right. the witch that keeps getting posted by the Explosion posters, where the MC steals her panties while they're on her.
that's literally all I know about the series, is it /actually/ worth watching

>>47825445
You know you can fight challenging things with intelligent martials too.

>>47825452
I thought it was going to be normal harem shit, but I actually really enjoyed it.

>>47825060
>>47825186
I have this same problem in the groups I play in.

When I'm a players, I'm the only one who seems to pay attention to the DM and choose race/class combos that would fit into the setting.

When I'm the DM, I have to wrangle the players into bending their backstories into something manageable that makes sense. I even do it as a player in some games!

>Gonna play in Mummy's Mask
>Make a Taldan noble lady Archeologist who was turned down by the Pathfinders and ends up joining the Aspis to collect Osirian artifacts
>other player wants to play a Genki Catgirl from Minkai Oracle
>shit abandon campaign
>Suggest the player play an Egyptian style cat who thinks she should be worshiped by the common folk and collects a cult of Bast around her
>Player takes the bait and run with it, enjoys character concept
>That look of gratitude the DM gave me

>>47825256
>>Hybrid classes get released giving competent martials, DSP releases non-magical martial classes that are actually functional
I don't think 3pp counts as actually balancing the game. And I'm 90% sure that if paizo could retroactivly destroy the ACG, they would.

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>>47825452
>is Konosuba worth watching

I don't know about anything past the first season, but it was extremely fun, lighthearted shenanigans that were a breath of fresh air while it was airing.

>>47825452
It's normal harem shit, except the MC is a dickass playa instead of a Really Nice Guy

>>47825490
Except the arcanist, they would love to make more classes on that power level.

>>47825459
Intelligent martials don't make Cleave builds.

>>47825445

I'm just legitimately sick and tired of the casters in my group slaying encounters left and right with creative use of magic, but the moment my martial butchers a boss enemy the DM gives me the look.

You know that fucking look, the one that always comes with that tone they use when sarcastically praising how hard you're burning through the bosses "they wanted to last a bit longer."

Fuck you, I don't like it when the DM and other players make the lone martial feel like a freak because they're good at their job. I want to feel like I'm actually good at what I do, not that I'm breaking their game, especially while the Mageheads are chucking levitation at problems I could've solved with the rope in my pack.

/pfg/, please be less creepy and weird
Can you do that? Please do that

>>47825060
>core races and classes anymore.
The core classes are either shit, boring, or broken.

I'm a Human only fantasy fag, but I'd rather see someone bring a Vanara or a Tengu to the table than fucking Elf or Dwarf. Because with the former two, we can actually AT LEAST try to explore the implications of being totally inhuman. I never understood "oh there a loads of sapient species and their all people with slightly exaggerated features".

And finally, none of the paizo classes really shit on the idea of running a fantasy setting. I think of plenty of fantasy settings with rapid fire guns and giant robots too btw.

Really, the only thing that "shits" on "generic fantasy setting" is DSP's Arcforge mecha pilots since they give you a mech out of the gate but that's a whole 'nother shitshow.

>>47825554
Did you try actually talking to the other people in your group? I'm going to guess that's a no.

>>47825060
Nobody tell him about the Barrier Peaks

>>47825430
>Usagi Drop
Isn't that the weird adopted incest grooming manga?

>>47825361
It had those too.

>>47825430
>recover after reading Usagi Drop
>reading
I call bullshit. UD was anime only.
I have no memory of any kind of disturbing timeskip or pseudo-incestuous angst-filled tone shifts.
There's nothing to recover from a sweet work like Usagi Drop.

>>47825487
>Egyptian style cat who thinks she should be worshiped by the common folk and collects a cult of Bast around her

This is exactly what I wanted to play in Mummy's Mask and it was turned down. Playing a catfolk is apparently never acceptable. Catfolk never.

>>47825624
Yes... but I didn't know it at the time. I saw the show and it was really good where it ended. I mean, I heard the author wanted to end it, but was forced to continue by the publisher, but just ick.

>>47825563
Can? Yes
Will? No

>>47825587

Of course I did, and the response was more or less "you just minmaxed your character."

A character that was a frontline martial with 16 STR and had 12 INT and 13 CHA to represent their noble background and status as an ex-knight.

>>47825572
Arcforge is also no longer ours.

>>47825733
Then obviously you have an awful group. No game is better than bad game.

>>47825741
That's good to hear it was ass.

>>47825642

>tfw you will never get to suggest alternate racial attributes for different subspecies of Catfolk
>tfw I will never get to play a sun-worshiping Lion Paladin with golden mane.

>>47825741
When did that happen who were the poor suckers who chose to bear that cross?

>>47825741
Wait, huh? What happened with arcforge?

>>47825754

But why does it keep happening? I make a martial, the *only* martial, they do good and people start staring.

It's happened every time I make one of these meatheads, even when I get a little fun with the attributes or feats.

>>47825451
as a DM I have actually set up s new rule for my players

I allow 1(One) Uno SIngular race that is not core to be in the party
I demand at minimum 1 Human and I prefer 2

Classes are also restricted and I tend to try and force players to stay away from gish classes and drive them into more well defined roles

campaigns are going much better after this

>>47825800
What's wrong with gishes? They're fun.

>>47825642
That's too bad.

I seem to have a very arbitrary list of acceptable races which changes based on the tone of the campaign. Catfolk in not!Egypt would make sense to me, but I would have a hard time with another player who was playing a Tiefling or Aasimar. If we were in Cheliax, I would be fine with both there.

I just think players should choose something that would be expected in an area. If you want to play an exotic race, play an exotic game.

Except for Kenku.

They are always acceptable.

>>47825790
Switch to being a Magus and break the game over your dick to show them what someone slaying and reaving really looks like.
Be the cunt you gotta be to underline your point.

>>47825811
>Tiefling or Aasimar.
They literally crop up wherever humans pop up though.

>>47825809
they are
but they break ranks and skew player roles too much

when the party is just all gish characters no one actually gets to do anything cool anymore and they just all blend together

I may be willing to allow a single gish into the party if I am doing a 5 man party

but as of now I am demanding 1 Arcane spellcaster 1 Divine spellcaster 1 Martial and 1 solid DPR character

things are much smoother and honestly more fun because players actually notice that their classes have weaknesses and that they need to cooperate to win

I have also imposed pretty heavy limitations on the Arcane spellcaster and Divine Spellcaster, specifically around the spell line Summon Monster and other forms of summoning

>>47825790
Because a martial deals damage in numbers. Seeing big numbers is a seemingly clear and objective indication of power. You do X damage, an creature has Y HP.

People don't think about the implications of Dominate person, Plane Shift, or you taking Wand crafting feats. The effect isn't as immediately apparent.

>>47825762
>>47825764
>>47825769
Someone else will publish it. Ssalarn will give details when he's ready but TL;DR there was a great battle through time and space and now Atlantis is gone.

>>47825875
Bollocks to your party roles.

>>47825653
I too saw the show, and until now, never thought to wonder that there might've been more. Now I wish I never had.

>>47825741
Gareth, a couple questions about Enter the Vortex stance:
-Do you need a free hand to use these blasts?
-If you initiate a strike such as Piercing Shot (Tempest Gale Level 2 Strike) using EtV, does it deal elemental damage
-What's the rationale behind the Elemental Vortex (Eflux L5 Strike) secondary effects being significantly weaker than the Energy Hammer (Eflux L4 Strike) ones, when the increase in damage is par per the maneuver level increase?

Is the oracle build here any good?
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Muscle_Wizard#Pathfinder
I don't really get what it does at lower levels.

>>47825875
Gishes can still have clear defined roles. Sometimes it's support, other time buffing others, and other times buffing themselves.

Seriously, switch to 5e. It sounds like you would have way more fun with that game than pathfinder.

is the book of erotic fantasy compatible with pathfinder

>>47825881
Cool can you take us to R'lyeh instead? Atlantis is boring anyways.

>>47825845
I just don't feel they fit into a setting unless you have a consistent level of Fiendish/Celestial influence like in Cheliax.

Likewise, I think Shabti are stupid, unless your playing in Osirion where I think they are awesome. Races should stay in their assigned thematic areas.

I guess my play style when it comes to races is a lot like a Trump supporter.
I hate immigration.

>>47825942
As much as any 3.0 product is. You'll have to fix up skills, any possible monster stat blocks and ban that one 3 level spell casting prestige class.

>>47825933
Still not really fielding rules questions. You can wait for Forrest or ask me Monday but I'll warn you that I'll be some combination of drunk, angry, and/or sad for some time. Take this knowledge and do as thou wilt.

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Can we stop complaining about party balance and get back to talking about what matters, waifus and husbandos? I like it when we're all happy and talking about love and cute things and fun, adorable backstory possibilities, not complaining about special snowflakes and game balance and party organisation.

Hi gang, I am thinking of trying a ratfolk alchemist for Mummy's mask. I want to make sure my bombs hurt,as I expect we may be facing a lot of poison-immune baddies. Do I need to pick grenadier for that? Also, has anyone tried the cryptbreaker and would you recommend it? Trapfinding sounds nice and the anti-undead bomb may come in handy, but I am not sure about the not-mutagen.

>>47825942
>join Wrath of the Righteous game from like a year ago because they need a replacement
>join game
>there are ERP rules in the "notes" section
Man that game was pretty crummy. Like not "horribad" crummy, but like I should have just "I wasted several evenings of my life on this" crummy.

Does anyone have an open spot? I really need to game. Desperately.

>>47825994

Was it on Roll20?

>>47825974

You didn't pose a question related to waifus and husbandos.

If you want the conversation to go a different route, STEER IT.

>>47826014
Yup. Game is dead as a doorstop too. It just kinda died. No real warning or note.

>>47825989
Your best bet is probably going to be doing a lot of research beforehand (in character. I'd suggest not doing too much out of character, lest you be called out for metagaming) about what you're going to be facing, and then taking as many bomb types that change the element you're throwing as possible. That way you know what the enemies resist, what they're weak to, and you can abuse that as frequently as you need to.

Also, grabbing the TWF feats, the Fast Bombs discovery at lv8, and throw half a dozen bombs a turn if you have a high enough dexterity to meet the TWF requirements.

>>47826031
Okay, fine.

What is /pfg/s opinion on true love between elves and humans? Do the tragically long lifespans of elves make the inevitable loss of the human lover too much of a heartbreak, or do you think knowing their time together is limited makes them enjoy it to its fullest? More importantly, is becoming a lich still considered an evil act if you do it to remain in a loving relationship with your immortal elven waifu/husbando?

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>>47826105
Crap, I forgot to include another cute elf pic.

>>47826105
It entirely depends on the couple. Also yes, the act of becoming a lich is itself an evil act.

>>47826105
>What is /pfg/s opinion on true love between elves and humans?
The only good elf is a dead elf.

Gas the Gnomes, Race war now.

>>47826105
>What is /pfg/s opinion on true love between elves and humans?
Much like true love between humans and dogs. Yes, including all the implications.

>More importantly, is becoming a lich still considered an evil act if you do it to remain in a loving relationship with your immortal elven waifu/husbando?
Yes. But if you really love them, it wouldn't stop you.

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>>47826143

>>47826105
>>47826189
>>47826134
Not like it matters alignment has no actual effect on your character.

>>47826105

A human husband is like a steady boyfriend; they're great when you have them, but eventually you'll find someone else and do it all over again.

A woman can have more than one true loves in their life, and being her third does not mean her love for you is any less intense then that she felt for her first.

It's basically how real life relationships work, just on a wider scale.

>>47826214
Except for when it does. Evil clerics can't cast good spells, paladins fall, monks have to be lawful for some god awful reason. Even worse, in 3.5, bards had to be non-lawful. And then there are all the spells that have effects based on alignments like holy word, circle of X, detect X etc...

>>47826214
What are you talking about? Tons of spells do different things depending on alignment.

>>47826060

Alright, is there any good way to boost the bomb damage? I was thinking maybe getting cognatogen for the bonus to int, but this means not preparing a mutagen for this day.

> TFW latest FAQ nerfs Invulnerable Rager for no fucking reason.
> TFW there is no face.

>>47826341
What happened and how was it before?

>>47826341
How did it get nerfed?

>>47826365
>>47826375
Banned taking Increased Damage reduction.

You know, the rage power they specifically suggest, in the same book, that you take. That one.

Arcforge is better than Dsp's other stuff

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>>47826403
Wat.

>>47826329
The damage increases slowly as you level, but other than that? Not really. Increasing your intelligence is probably a solid bet, and if you're going to commit hard towards being a bomber then the cognatogen is probably worth it, moreso than a mutagen.

Some of your early feats'll look like an archery built. Point blank shot'll increase damage a tiny bit, for example.

I don't know why I'm offering suggestions, I've never played a bomber alchemist personally, so here's a guide I just found that might offer alittle more insight.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hChbcEsEfQsR7NkwKlzO-GLYtrOtxlkGHpRQgKKZ5gc/edit

>>47826341
Lmao martials LMAO

>>47826422
Them's fightin' words, anon.

Better than monster classes except the feats, definitely.

>>47825638
>UD was anime only
Ante up, bitch

http://www.mangareader.net/usagi-drop

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>>47826341
>>47826403
As someone who has a backup barbarian build sitting in storage just in case, and who really likes barbarians: fuck you paizo

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>>47826143
That doesn't sound very romantic...

>>47826189
> Yes. But if you really love them, it wouldn't stop you.
That's the kind of cute stuff I like to hear.

>>47826223
I like that view, anon. It might not be eternal love, but it's true love regardless~

>>47826403
Link to this now.

>>47826341
Has Paizo gone legitimately mad, retconning combos they themselves recommended.

>>47826242
>>47826260
Personality wise alignment doesnt mean shit because you control how your character acts.

>>47826494
I got it from Facebook - Mark Seifter posts them there - and 4chan doesn't like FB links. Marks them as spam.

>>47826494
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tp48?FAQ-Request-Invulnerable-Rager-and-Increased

http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9uqg

>>47826531
Right, the alignment is used to help describe your character, not the other way around. You, generally, don't go I'm lawful good so I must *blank blank* you go. I do *blank blank* so I'm lawful good. Exceptions being with classes that have alignment restrictions that you really want to play before coming up with character fluff.

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>>47826487
>It might not be eternal love, but it's true love regardless~

Of course it's eternal love, anon! For so long as the Elf lives the memory of her lover is still there, a warmth to savor on cold days or lonely nights.

>>47826552
>he rage power refers to the class feature damage reduction, meaning that it doesn’t help invulnerable ragers’ invulnerability class feature. The suggestion for the archetype to take that rage power in the suggested rage powers is in error and will be removed in the next errata.
The class entry for Fighter implying that it was a viable character class was a mistake, meaning that you should not play one if you want to be a competent character. The suggestion that players should play fighters, monks, or rogues will be edited and these classes will be moved to the NPC section.

>>47825111
Considering that I'm actively working on running Iron Gods and reworking it to include more PoW and Psionics stuff, I'd say probably not. Then again, I'm probably not the person you're looking for.

>>47826600
I'm pretty sure this is one step from being really bad NTR.

>>47826552
Fuck 'em.

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>>47826105
Elves are for cucking

>>47826625
It's just you stated what I'm fairly certain is close to my exact party, and he suggested the exact same thing for the group to only pick core races. Didn't do it with classes in any way, but like half the party at least asked about showing up with a non-core race of their choice.

>>47826428
>>47826329
There's a couple ways. You're a ratfolk, so FCB is out, but there's the Focused Burn is a trait that gives +5 damage to fire bombs over 20 levels, pretty decent.

>>47826644
wow, that was pretty fucking brutal.

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>>47826600
> Masturbating to thoughts of your dead lover

A- anon...
That really is eternal love~

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>>47826629
>I'm pretty sure this is one step from being really bad NTR.

How?

Everyone has a past, anon, and Elves have the most extensive pasts of any non-supernatural creature. Does an Elf suddenly forget about their third lover, or their tenth husband? Do these people just stop mattering to them?

More importantly, does the fact they still love these people mean their love for their current spouse is somehow lessened?

>>47826426
Somebody decided that stacking +2 DR per power on top of +1/2 level DR was too powerful. I'm not sure if it is or not, but given that it's Paizo, I highly doubt they bothered to check either, they just knee-jerked it.

>>47826707
How is your wife's son doing?

>>47826714
It is way too powerful for pathfinder society.

>>47826644
Also what game is that?

Is paizo legitimately retarded?

>>47826714
Isn't the 2 DR only the Unchained version of that rage power?

And Unchained Barbarian doesn't work like Rogue, it isn't default compatible with all archetypes.

So by RAW, you can't have a fucking Unchained Invulnerable Rager ANYWAY.

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>>47826698

Are there any spells you could cast to create a physical likeness of a person that continues to exist long after they're dead?

Imagine an Elven woman keeping molds of every lover she's taken to bed, so when she's lonely at night she can whip out the clay phallus of whichever man she desires so she can feel like they're still with her, if not just for a night.

>>47826644
>>47826748
Rune Factory 2
Holy fuck I didn't know you could do that, that's hilarious.

>>47826748
Rune Factory 2

>>47826775
>>47826791
Is it any fun?

>>47826761
>Isn't the 2 DR only the Unchained version of that rage power?
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I've mostly been using the Unchained version now (damn, but I love me some temporary HP), so that's what I'm used to.

As for Invulnerable Rager, if your GM is so stingy they won't let you use an archetype on the Unchained version despite it having all the right features to replace (and with Danger Sense, you're actually losing more than a normal Barbarian would) is just being an asshole. I don't game with assholes.

>>47826802
It's pretty okay. It's harvest moon with some monster slaying on the side.

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>>47826726
>How is your wife's son doing?

Can you please explain to me how anything I just said relates to nu-males, cuckoldry or dating women with kids?

>>47826768
Simulacrums?

>>47826817
People were bitching about the RAW though, and by RAW it's not a damn issue anyway.

Honestly, it feels like these days that whoever wrote the books initially is 100% a different person to who's passing down errata on them now. And still calling it 'an error'.

Not 'we changed our minds'.

And 'error'

>>47826827
>accepting a woman after she had a mile of dick run through her.
That's cuckoldry m8. That is literally the same argument people use to justify why they're going to marry a used up slut.

>>47826864
Cuckoldry is enjoying your partner getting dicked by someone else, ya idjit.

Like, in current tense. Not past tense.

>>47826906
And it's not like there's anything wrong with that as long as all parties are consenting!

>>47826864
What's the matter, you scared you can't measure up to a bunch of dead guys?

>>47826842
I'm pretty sure ice dildos are not recommended because they reduce internal body temperature too much.

Alchemical simulacra, on the other hand...

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>>47826864
>accepting a woman after she had a mile of dick run through her.

I wasn't aware a woman loses their worth as a person and a partner if they've had an extensive sexual history.

What's the cut-off point? Thirty dicks? Ten?

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>>47826768
This... this went very differently from how I intended.

Is... is this actually true love? Anon, I'm so conflicted right now.

>>47826932
Considering 90% of elves have had sexual congress with orcs according to what I've seen, yes. Yes I am.

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>>47826768
>>47826948

>mfw Elven BBEG seeking to keep her lovers alive through unnatural means so she will never experience the pain of loss again.

>>47826945
>I wasn't aware a woman loses their worth as a person and a partner if they've had an extensive sexual history.
She doesn't, people who act like that are just scared that a woman with some actual experience will know that they're shit lovers, so they need a naive little girl who doesn't know any better.

I want to be a spearman. What class and race fits me?

I want to be like Zhao Yun

>>47825337
>what does competent mean
My irl group regularly plays characters made with 4d6 drop 1, core/featured races only, no 3pp (though that is slowly changing).

In fights from the most straightforward to the most complex, characters have died to sudden x3 crits, very, very successful full attacks, and even just having low health.

This is in a game where we usually have one, /maybe/ two combat encounters per game day.

"Competent" might not mean much, but if the GM regularly has to pull punches, fudge in extra or nullify saving throws, or even just full-on retcon a situation because one die roll killed a character dead while picking a lock, there's something very wrong with how PF is set up.

To be fair, my GM is pretty pansy about killing player characters, but this shit happens almost every combat, at every level of play, just to prevent an APL encounter from forcing yet another new character to show up.

>>47826978
>I want to be a spearman. What class and race fits me?

Human Zweihander Sentinel with a focus on Piercing Thunder and Primal Fury.

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>>47826965
> mfw when she decides her relationship with the party has ascended beyond a petty rivalry, and seeks to immortalise them too as her property, forever.

>>47826978
DSP:
Zweihander Sentinel Warder. Dunno who Zhao Yun is, but that's the best spearman type thing I've seen lately. Go with Piercing Thunder and Iron Tortoise as your primary disciplines and you'll kick tons of ass.

No DSP:
Find a better GM.

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>>47826932
>implying living "men" can measure up to dead guys
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_erection
When will they ever learn

>>47826976
>people who act like that are just scared that a woman with some actual experience will know that they're shit lovers, so they need a naive little girl who doesn't know any better.

The tragedy with this line of thought is that most women don't actually *care* if you're an awkward, inexperienced dweeb in bed - in fact, it's a huge turn-on for many women to be the "experienced one" in the bedroom!

>>47826965
Maybe a specialized Blood Spa? She has to keep sacrificing young people to keep her lovers alive, even though they died years ago and only their young bodies remain.

>>47826945
>loses their worth as a person
Certainly not
>and a partner
They do.

>>47827070
Fuck off back to /pol/ you inhuman shit.

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>>47827039
I knew the lich idea does have some credibility.

>>47827065
There IS a Room you can add to buildings, which is a blood bath which can be used to give Age Resistance.

>>47825451
I usually prefer human when playing casters, but for martials it tends to be better to have multiple bonuses to stats without also giving up the rest of your racial features (e.g. human with Dual Talent).

Which means playing a non-human.

I think that's part of why the core races are so similar to humans, though, so that they can still sort-of-not-be-subjected-to-prejudice while also not relying on a drop in the bucket of feat taxes to carry them through an already crippled field of non-magical combat.

that got weird there at the end, sorry

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>>47827070
>They do.

But why though.

Her past is a part of her, a lifetime of experiences that had fine-tuned her preferences in men until she found one that, above all others, she wanted to call her everything.

That one is you.

Isn't it romantic?

>>47826945
The grith and quantity of times said dick was in her. You philistine virgin. It takes years for the inner vaginal muscles to contract to the original state after she periodically took a big cock.

>>47827115
Yeah, that's the Blood Spa. It's also specifies the blood of a creature under middle age.

>>47824636
Absentmindedly taps fingers in time with local heartbeats.
Tapetum lucidum incidents; That's the reflective layer in animal eyes that helps with seeing in the dark and makes for creepy moments.
Drooling a little patching up injured comrades.
Smelling blood entirely too well and from too far away.
Silent staring.

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>>47827052
It's fun the first few times. After that, the guy basically takes it as a license to be lousy. >>47826958
The other 10% are lying.

Paizo Team: "Barbarian's DR too OP, must nerf."

This is why I won't play martial in this system.

>>47827150
>That one is you.
Until you kick the bucket the bucket that is. Then Thragg the sensitive Orc will be her new paramour, after he's gone in 20 years, maybe she'll give gnomes a try. You know what they say about going fae.

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>>47827208
Good thing elves live for hundreds, then.

>>47827208

So you're saying the Elf will have a tight, custom-molded vagina after staying exclusive to one man for a couple years.

I still don't see how this invalidates her as a partner, unless you're looking for a fling?

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>>47827291
Once you go gnome you'll never bring them home?

>>47827291

Well of course, I'm just saying that her finding new love after you're dead does not mean the time you spend with her while alive is meaningless.

>>47827272
Houserules, 3pp, and ignoring shitty errata Anon.

>>47826864
cuckold (plural cuckolds)

A man married to an unfaithful wife, especially when he is unaware or unaccepting of the fact.

Noun

cuckoldry (countable and uncountable, plural cuckoldries)

An act of adultery committed by a married woman against her husband. The state of being a cuckold.

retard (plural retards)

Retardation; delay.
(slang, offensive, dated) A person with mental retardation.
Do all retards have a low I.Q.?
(slang, offensive, dated) A stupid person, or one who is slow to learn.

Damn, why won't pfg stop being creepy

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>>47827308
>the Elf will have a tight, custom-molded vagina after staying exclusive to one man for a couple years.

>custom-molded vagina

Jesus Christ this is getting me turned on.

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>>47827462
If it isn't hostility, it's gotta be creepy. I'm sorry, anon.

>>47827503
That fucking image still gets me every time

>DM has allowed Androids in his 3rd level gestalt campaign, 25 PB.
>Paizo only

Any fun and flavorful gestalt combinations I could use here? The story is a hyper-generic, "we're part of the same military academy, and we have a connection to this one woman."

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/skinshaper-druid-archetype

Is this the lewdest Druid archetype? You can be Elf... you can be Orc...

>>47827314
What's that image from?

>>47827556
Ultimate Intrigue

>>47827208
Is that even a problem in high magic setting? Regenerate spell exist.

>>47827539
Crossblooded Nanite/Arcane (Sage) Sorcerer X Alchemist (Construct Rider)

Be the ultimate master of magitech.

>>47827625
GP doesn't grow on trees and I doubt many clerics would be willing to treat vaginal gaping via congress with an Ogre.

>>47827688
STR: 8 DEX: 12 CON: 16 INT: 17 WIS: 12 CHA: 10

Racial bonuses shift it to;
STR: 8 DEX: 14 CON: 16 INT: 19 WIS: 12 CHA: 8

>>47827208
>>47827463

Vaginas don't work that way.

>>47827696
Planar Binding chaining with Efreeti's and wishes does exist, so yes, gold does infact literally grow on trees. Entire orchards of them, in fact.

>>47827773
Nah, Planar binding says you can't make something do something against it's nature. Everything's nature would work against involuntarily being enslaved by extraplanar beings and made to do their work. Obviously Planar binding doesn't actually work at all.

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I saw people were talking about the Stregone last thread, so for anyone who was totally confused as to what it is so I might as well drop the link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GVTXsAAdkxpLjQFfvYzuME3lVyuhAU2chxXrK46vlbA/edit?usp=sharing

As for things in the pipe?
General class things:
>looking at reworking the style knacks so that the "not crane style" chain is just a passive and the others are "shot types"
>Destructive and Needle are changed to non-stacking "shot types". Always on, but you have to swift action toggle between shot types so it isn't just "stack ALL THE DAMAGE"
>Considering whether or not to nerf piercing bolts to 10 basic, 20 for main element, then tie a +10 to all piercing effects via magic item
>to tie into the previous point, trying to figure out whether or not it would need something to compensate for losing that power or not

Archetype things:
>"The Magical Girl archetype" is... There, but barebones. Still better than Magical Child overall, but it's just kind of "the spontaneous cha archetype" since I didn't want to go too overboard with the familiar like its predecessor.
>it's sorely tempting to look into making a wisdom-based divine caster that steals the Kami Medium's Ofuda spellcasting, but since I already literally have Persuasion Needles that might be going overboard
>I'm pretty sure nobody cares about the other archetypes I'm making, but they're slowly chugging along too. Two of them might wind up with separate documents to save space
>Initiating archetype "when I get around to it". Right now the plan is to include Veiled Moon, Elemental Flux, Solar Wind, and Riven Hourglass. Black Seraph, Silver Crane, and shattered mirror are a solid "maybe", since I haven't looked into them much yet. Iffy on what else to give it.
>I am still utterly lost with what to do with Psionics. I have neither a personal design goal to work towards, nor a good enough grasp of psionics to try and deliver on anything with any kind of quality.

>>47827771

But anon told me if the Elf had sex with a hung guy she'll never be satisfied by my average dick.

>>47827823
Yeah, but that's only what they tell themselves to excuse the fact that they aren't actually ever going to be fulfilling to a potential partner.

>>47827790
Alright, sure. That's entirely wrong, but sure.

Eschew Materials+Full Pouch. Congratulations, you now have an infinite number of scaling DC alchemical items that don't disappear, and DO function for other people, which means you can sell them. You only ever need one of the item in the first place, and then you can make an infinite number of copies at all spell levels you have access to.

>>47827823
Then ask a wizard or to change you into a female elf so you can join her.

>>47825256
The funny thing is that martials perform just fine in most campaigns. The Tiers are based largely on VERSATILITY, in a sense that doesn't even come into play in many campaigns. A Wizard has the POTENTIAL to do all kinds of stuff if he readies the right spells and if people fail their saves, but realistically you don't actually see wizards humiliating martials in campaign performance into pretty late in the game (and that's if the DM isn't creative with encounters).

>>47827773
>Planar Binding chaining with Efreeti's and wishes does exist
>everyone is a high level wizard
>everyone has a wis score low enough to let a pissed off Efreeti mess with their genitals.

>>47827896
While that's true, it does help to have actual options to take when you're not in combat.

>>47827902
>it does help to have actual options to take when you're not in combat.

Are you saying martials don't have options?

Because in all my years of playing Pathfinder, the most common thing a DM asks us to actually roll for outside of combat is Perception, Survival and Knowledges, the first two of them things that most martials will have, and the last one being more for flavor and better left to the actual eggheads of the party.

Martials almost always have options.

>>47827896
/pfg/ does tend to use Schrodingers Wizard as a measuring point an awful lot. Most of the time a given Wizard isn't going to have X spell prepared unless it's extremely common like Fly.

Arcanists, on the other hand...

>>47827942
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

>>47826223
These are some painfully cucked words

>>47827961
Man, you're not cucked if you're dead, and people can have more than one romantic relationship in their lifetime.

>>47827946
High level shrodingers wizard is absolutely do able, you just need a demi plane with the proper time alterations. And you can jump into the plane, refresh all spells, buff then hop out in the span of a round or two.

>>47827961
>These are some painfully cucked words

Should a woman slit their wrists when they break up with a long-term boyfriend? Are they suddenly incapable of being a partner because they experienced love?

>>47827951

Then I don't know what I should tell you.

>>47828009
Well, perception and survival are hardly options, knowledges help you know stuff, but most martials don't even have the skill points for them. Martials get the shaft in plot line pushing with actual mechanics.

>>47827986
That's the point when the DM should probably call in a gank squad.

>>47828034
>Martials get the shaft in plot line pushing with actual mechanics.

Plot that requires hard mechanics is usually secondary to the plot that requires nothing more than the other player actually getting into character.

/pol/ pls go and stay go.

>>47828062
>It's okay that martials get the shaft because rule 0

>>47828076

But martials don't get the shaft because most mechanics you'll encounter out of combat use skills a martial already has.

>>47828073
>he thinks this is /pol/ in /pfg/
I've seen the /pol/ in /pfg/ anon, and this is small time.

>>47828095
Bollocks, not at a chance that martials have a chance to actually succeed.

>>47828062
While you don't entirely lack a point, the fact still remains that non-casters really DO just lack many options.

Typically low skill-points, bad skill selections, lack of spells or real class features for utility.

>>47828095
*Skills that both martials and casters have due to casters having better lists, spells that buff their skills, summons that can do it better than them, crafting feats to make items to make them better at their skills, and familiars too that also boost them.

>>47828095
Has doesn't mean good at.

EVERYONE wants good perception, and survival becomes moot point after shank town. And chances are a maritals mental stat will not be good enough to really capitalize on either.

>>47828113
>While you don't entirely lack a point, the fact still remains that non-casters really DO just lack many options.
>Typically low skill-points, bad skill selections, lack of spells or real class features for utility.
I have found this to the truth as well. It obviously depends on what level you are playing at.

>>47828099
This is just one poor person who:
>will never satisfy a sexual partner
>will never be desirable to someone they want as a sexual partner
>will never work to improve themself to fix the above
And so they find some convoluted way to deal with this.

It's a combination of "well i don't like used up women anyways" and "guys with no self respect get the women I don't because I have standards".

They can't handle the truth so they invent a new one that lets them blame everyone but themselves while simultaneously not requiring them to change anything about how they live.

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>>47825502
You're forgetting that the girls themselves are completely fucked in the head.

Explosion girl only HAS that one spell and collapses from the MP loss overflowing into her HP from casting it even once.

Goddess has learned ALL of the party-trick spells and is a beyond-worthless person.

Crusader....

>>47828118
>>47828113
>>47828095
CHALLENGE: Convince a dragon to leave the area
Things Everyone Can Do
>Bribe it
>Talk it out of staying around
>Bluff it into thinking there's another, bigger dragon around or something using complicated machinery
Things Only Martials Can Do
>Stab it to death oh wait clerics/warpriests/etc. etc. etc.
Things Only Casters Can Do
>Make its home uninhabitable
>Transmute all its treasure to worthless materials to get it to leave
>Dominate/Charm/etc. it into fucking off
>Blast it with elemental weaknesses until it dies
>Use scrying to discover it's run away from home and call its mum using Message to pick it up
>Use stone shape to seal it into its sleeping chamber, then bring down the ceiling
>Just leave explosive runes on every goddamn surface in its lair for shits and giggles

Just saying, the hobbit would have gone a lot differently if dragons rated gandalf actually bringing out the big guns.

>>47828266

Isn't it just a case of the Madonna/Whore Complex?

They want to marry a virgin, but they want to fuck a girl with experience.

>>47828296
>Bribe it
Sure. Except the caster can make items for it, cast spells it might not know, or do things like look into it's future and crazy shit.
>Talk it out of staying around
Cha-based casters will always be better at it, items to boost social skills are more important to them due to things like bargaining with outsiders.
>Bluff
See Above.

>Stab it to death
Oh wait, the caster can just summon up a pack of enemies to rip it a new asshole, thus actually doing even the martials job.

>>47828340
>Oh wait, the caster can just summon up a pack of enemies to rip it a new asshole.

It's always easy to spot the person who has never tried to use summon monster in combat.

so...how do you handle keeping track of loot?

>>47828359
You've never actually built a dedicated summoner, or used any of the higher level version of it then, I take it.

>>47828359
You keep saying shit like this as if it's true. I've used Summon X and seen it used since 3.0 and it's been a powerful tool for both combat and problem solving. Your obnoxious lack of competence is not always the fault of the system.

>>47825554
I fucking KNOW that look.
One player AND the GM give it to me.

See, I do more damage than the Swashbuckler, but at range.

Fucking death-glare. What the fuck are you doing? Why do you keep breaking the system like that? Why can't you just STICK YOUR MAGIC ARM UP THE ANGRY KNIGHT'S ASS LIKE THE THREE OF HIS FIVE FRIENDS WE BLACK TENTACLED JUST NOW?

>>47828395
Excel spreadsheet.

>>47828412
I played a malconvoker. It still wasn't that good.

Often the things you can summon can't even hit what you want them to hurt more than 2/20 times.

Pathfinder made summoning even worse.

>>47828412
Also: if you want to change my my SUPER FAST just build a "dedicated summoner" who uses "the high level summon monster spells".

Level 12 is a good point to shoot for.

>>47828427
> I've used Summon X
I'm going to assume you mean 9, and I'm not sure what lala land you play in where a summoned beast is good for anything besides mook slaying.

>>47828463
There's nothing to try and argue against you with, because it's like arguing with a wall. A dumb wall that's too stupid to even be able to stand on it's own.

>>47828482
No, as in Summon [Word]. Monster, Undead, etc.

>>47828517
My point still stands, the numbers of summoned monsters really don't keep up with monsters in my experience. A summoner can flood a fucking dungeon with bullshit, but it'll look like fucking D-day.

>>47828427
>it's been a powerful tool for both combat
eh...no. Not really. SM6 is a decent list, but still incredibly bad compared to most CL12-14 encounters. SM is often a waste of a spell slot.

> and problem solving.
Sure. Celestial monkeys are great for detecting traps.

Further:
>i've used it to good effect
does not equal
>it is actually good

Tons of people swear that they played a monk and did fine.


>Your obnoxious lack of competence is not always the fault of the system.
I really have no idea where all of this hostility came from. I've always been civil to you, even when I disagree with you.

>>47828498
>...prove it?
>na u too dumb i don't need evidence
k.

>>47828482
> and I'm not sure what lala land you play in where a summoned beast is good for anything besides mook slaying.

> Need a small situational spell or ability
Oh look, one of the monsters on my summon list can do that

> Need a mobility option like Fly in a pinch
Oh look, one of the monsters on my summon list can do that

>>47828340
While salient points, I was mostly pointing out the lack of breadth of options, not the relative power thereof.
There's also the simplicity problem, where casters make things a lot easier on the DM.
Things The Fighter Probably Needs To Do To Bring Down The Ceiling On The Dragon
>Case the joint while examining the ceiling for weak spots
>Make a crapton of engineering skill checks to locate said weakspots that are actually usable
>Rig up some shenanigans to bring the weakspots down for being hit with arrows or something
>Probably shell out for explosive arrows
Things The Caster Needs To Do To Bring Down The Ceiling On The Dragon
>Be a druid
>Cast Soften Earth And Stone in stacked 10-ft cubes

Things The DM Needs To Do In The First Case
>Eyeball all those subsystems and figure what's fair and what happens when it fails
>Figure out what types of actions all this shit needs to actually function
Things The DM Needs To Do In The Second Case
>Look up what a landslide even does
>Roll a reflex save

>>47828569
Nobody wants to spend an hour collating the reasons you're wrong just for them to get written off and ignored. It's a waste of time that could be spent doing meaningful work, having fun, or talking about fun things.

>>47828579
>> Need a mobility option like Fly in a pinch
>Oh look, one of the monsters on my summon list can do that

Or you could...you know...cast fly. From a scroll if you have to. If you are using a sixth level spell to cast fly you are doing it wrong. A wizard has many more options to improve his versatility than preparing SMx spells.

>>47828609
Yeah, prepare Shadow X spells instead! Those can even be summons!

>>47828482
X as in a number, not X as in the roman numeral

>>47828569
>le prove it
Druid or Master Summoner, take feats to increase the number of monsters summoned, take Ashbound Summoning and Greenbound Summoning for huge duration boosts, immunities, SLAs, stat boosts, attack boosts, and all sorts of other shit, take feats and items that boost them.

Congrats, you can use a standard action to summon ~1d4+2 maximized for 6 Greenbound Ashbound Eagles with a SM 1 and they'll fairly reliably destroy enemies up to probably level 5 or so.

>>47828609
Given that that SM spell can summon up a shitload of different creatures with SLAs, special abilities, flight, burrowing, healing, buffs, debuffs, and all sorts of skills? Noooot really. And that only gets more nuts if he invests in making shit like Planar Ally good.

>>47828652
>
Congrats, you can use a standard action to summon ~1d4+2 maximized for 6 Greenbound Ashbound Eagles with a SM 1 and they'll fairly reliably destroy enemies up to probably level 5
So up to the point the game actually starts?

>>47828652
You can also buy four bison and destroy enemies up to level 5.

>Ashbound Summoning and Greenbound Summoning
...these are from 3.5 aren't they?

Currently picking spells for my Wizard leveling up and noticed this on Blood Transcription
School divination [evil];
Does this mean my character has to be Evil in order to learn the spell ? or is it only relevant for other classes?

>>47828787
This is almost always a "ask your DM" thing.

>>47828569
You can be a bit of a dick when you reply to Gareth when he isn't wearing his trip

>>47828787
It doesn't stop you from learning or casting it in any way.

Depending on your DM, it might make you evil over time, since the spell itself is apparently evil by default, regardless of circumstances involved.

>>47828787
Generally speaking you should be to even want to, and using it will slowly shift your alignment towards evil, the main setting argument being that doing so actively feeds objective evil (after all, alignments have a physical existence as the outer planes) into the world.

While you can make up for it in your actions, you basically would have to start doing extra-good to compensate for every use, and it usually also cancels out whatever good act you specifically used it to achieve.

>>47828808
Ok gotta ask him.

>>47828852
That sounds really reasonable to an extent where i think my character wouldn't use it.

>>47828689
Just because you list a lot of things that SMx can do, doesn't mean that you want to do these things with SMx. There are often much much better ways to do that then burning high level spell slots to poorly mimic lower level spells.

Versatile? sure. I never said it wasn't.

>>47828296
>Make its home uninhabitable
Anybody can do this.
>Transmute all its treasure to worthless materials to get it to leave
>destroy the loot you want
nobody would do this
>Dominate/Charm/etc. it into fucking off
good fucking luck with those saves
>Blast it with elemental weaknesses until it dies
>Stab it to death
>Use stone shape to seal it into its sleeping chamber, then bring down the ceiling
Once again not something limited to casters
>Just leave explosive runes on every goddamn surface in its lair for shits and giggles
Explosives are still not caster only

>>47828925
But preparing that SMx spell gives you the ability to have every spell that anything that's on the entire list has available, plus all their abilities and skills, in that same slot that would have just been Fly or whatever.

>>47828929
I am usually the first one to bring out that the "lol NPC class tier" is memey bullshit, but in this case I disagree with you.

Casters don't need the DM to invent rules for them to get things done. IF there is a problem, then a caster, especially at higher levels, can often solve it in a few spells.

THe game is balancedhaha not really around PFS-style combat, and in that situation martials do fine.

>>47828953
You can get something from SM3 to cast fly on your party? I don't think so. I think you need SM5 for that.

Also:
>>47828646

>>47828569
Have you not seen the massive list of capabilities that line of business spells dishes out, complete with early access to shit?

As for the hostility, I'm not a fan of people who spread bad info about games. I'm not a fan of your holier-than-thou attitude or your constant condescension of others. I'm don't like watching you crow victory because others have gotten so sick of your bad-faith arguments that they now refuse to argue with you and last, but not least, your tear on bards was so mind-blowingly ignorant that I'm still fucking mad about it.

As said before, I couldn't find any respect for you I were using an electron microscope, and now the last stores of my patience are also ended. You're a pigeon playing chess, not a contributor

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>>47829033
I use an electron microscope at work!

This may seem completely unrelated to anything, but relevance is in the eye of the beholder.

>>47828609
It was just an optional use for a Summon Spell, not necessarily the most optimal, to give an example for another thing a summon spell can achieve. It also gives the option of flight for casters that might have to wait longer to achieve such a feat, like Clerics. The only spell I can think that they have that gives it (or at least the earliest I can think of) is a 5th level spell.

I suppose something like a burrow speed might have been a better example, as it's more niche.

>>47829077
There is no electron microscope focused on that beholder; 0/10, off-topic.

>>47829110
Little does anon know, that a Beholder can in fact focus its gaze to achieve the same level of magnification as an electron microscope.

>>47829110
It's an electronic microscopic electron microscope.

>>47829137
Is that from the prestige class for beholders?

>>47828929
>Make home uninhabitable
The fighter needs luck and a reroutable river or something. The caster needs much less luck and a few spell slots.
>use stone shape
>not limited to casters
Assuming no UMD here. Casting one spell of instant duration is a lot easier on a stealth mission than carting in ten dudes to seal it off manually, and also leaves a solid stone wall for it to try and break down instead of a built one.
>Dominate/Charm
The point is the option is still there. You want me to repeat the whole thing from the top with owlbears or treants or something?
>Explosives are not caster only
Cheapass and easily applied explosives are. Only entry for bombs I can find are alchemists' fire (20 gp for pitiful damage) and the siege bombs (600 for 6d6 piercing and bludgeoning). Neither has immediate rules for making into a trap.

My point is that casters have many, varied, and useful options for doing noncombat shit, with hard and fast rules that are easy to apply. The martial has 'kill good' and the same skills with lower bonuses than the caster.

I'd say even the various initiator shenanigans still have this problem- Where's the low end Veiled Moon boost to phase through a locked door? Where's the Silver Crane stance that lets you see through demonic disguises? Where's the Thrashing Dragon strike to just straight up make a door explode?

>>47829137
At that point, what is it actually perceiving? Natural visible light just physically can't produce those resolutions. Can Beholders process electrons? Even if they could, where would the electrons come from? What else can they perceive?

It's all very silly, really.

>>47829033
>your tear on bards was so mind-blowingly ignorant that I'm still fucking mad about it.
...were you not here when I posted about how you guys had changed my mind on this?

...and I didn't argue with you about the bard? I didn't think you were even there.

>>47829094
Burrow is also a 3rd level spell, but I get the point you were trying to make.

I'm not saying that SMx is a bad spell, or even that it is a useless slot, but often, if you are going for combat, there are better spells to pick, as most SMx spells are shit in a fight. If you are going for out-of-combat then you have the time to use the right spell instead of a much higher level spell.

Its better for clerics than wizards certainly.

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>>47829196
Magic.

How many waifus does Hell's Vengeance have and who is the best?

>>47829226
Not posting in no way means that I'm not paying attention.

>>47829245
But Dr. Poppysmoke, how much of their vision is magically powered? Would an antimagic field disable some of their sight as well? Surely such a thing must be better understood.

>>47829248
There's that one spunky CG bard in book 2 that wants your spunk.

>>47829226
I think the summon spells are fine (as in, as powerful as the other very-good spells in the game), but they require a degree of focus that most other spell types don't usually require. Throwing up a single SMx spell in combat without much thought or focus into it isn't going to have much of an effect, and you really need to use the latest summon spell you have available to get it to work, but... depending on your feat selection and other bonuses (like a bloodline ability, cleric domain power, etc), and picking the right creature for the job, they can really end encounters.

I have personal experience with a friend playing a Wizard and summoning Earth Elementals. They're tough enough to take a few hits, and summoning a few of them, even the small ones, I've seen used to just wall off certain areas of the map, trapping enemies and keeping them away from the main group so the rest of the enemy monsters can be taken out in smaller groups.

>>47829248

Hell's Vengeance is just kind of there.

Like, we hardly talk about it anymore.

We hardly talk about ANYTHING anymore.

Good god, what's happened to us?

>>47829033
>I don't like your tone, I don't like your tone, I don't like you tone and you are wrong about something.
If being of 4chan makes you butt-devastated then you should leave.

>>47829336
Half of that book is low will save hotties.

>Why is DSP allowed to sell forum homebrew-tier monster classes for real money?

Because people are goddamned retarded, in the same breath they're cuss the fuck out of Paizo

>>47829372
Hey man, Buildposter keeps bitching how nobody will engage him, Gareth's just laying down why; because he's a stupid piece of shit and we're done trying to discuss

>>47829350
eh...I don't really disagree.

a bit, but not enough to argue about it.

i just wanted to point out that you can't replace the party fighter with a simple casting of SMx.

>>47829406
Never said you could, but the fact you can get about three quarters of the way there, with a few little bits on the side that the Fighter simply can't achieve without aid, is a warning sign enough.

>>47829394
>in the same breath they're cuss the fuck out of Paizo

Paidrones in this thread.
I repeat - Paidrones in this thread.

If Paizo can actually churn out good content without shoving in stupid SocJus bullshit, we wouldn't be resorting to 3pp content.

>>47829394
>defending Paizo

They're just as bad, if not worse. Especially after the fucking equipment errata.

Is there a viable alternative to Roll20?

Maybe I'm just inexperienced but trying to make maps and shit has been a nightmare. Clunky as fuck.

>>47829441
Paizo is also fucking retarded

It's really like pfg threads are just DSP threads

>>47829441
>SocJus bullshit
You know for a damn fact their shoddy rules have nothing to do with that, and most settings are just as shit as golarion. The "SJW" stuff they're accused if is the least of their issues (excluding male throne killing nations[which really should've been !"bloodline killing throne"] and similar)

>>47829441
Where has Paizo injected SocJust bullshit outside of APs?

>>47829395
It would help you if the people arguing against him weren't such cockmonglers. I was here for the kinestist war and none of you had read the fucking class.

>>47829476
>>47829478
Disregard the /pol/izen. You have nothing to gain by engaging with it.

>>47829466
Just name the next threads /dsp/ general

Summon X is good for 6th caster like inquisitor and alchemist

>>47829406
You can if you specialize in it, and even if you decide not to replace him, you can bring a hell of a lot of utility to the table. And none of the things you can do with it are decided when you prepare it, so it's a giant wildcard slot of "What do I need right now? Alright, I have it."

>>47829519
Summon is good for everyone

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Who awoo here?

>>47829464
Get the lighting engine

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>>47829545

>>47829547
Like, from the paid version?

Probably not in the cards right now.

>>47829464
tip tiles from a SNES game, use them as map tiles, create maps

ez.

>>47829601
Then you're basically SOL. Every other map program out there sucks dicks, and roll20 is only really worth it with the lighting engine.

>>47829545
She's cute, anon. What's her name?

>>47829536
Except for the poor DM, but nobody cares him.

>>47829545
...why is that so arousing?

>>47829464
Play IRL. Online games are shit.

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I know I asked for a creepy thread, but I meant monsters not posters!

How can I be Pokemon Master?
Preservationist/Promethean VMC Summoner with familiar and leadership?

like any sane GM would allow that

>>47829657
Why do you think pazio publishes so many low-will-save hotties and free-will-destroying spells?

They know exactly who they are targeting. This thread had a huge erection with those new lewd archetypes and we posted about it for a week.

>>47829667
Don't forget Suzerain and that one ring that boosts leadership

>>47829657
/pfg/ and creepy are synonymous
You never asked for this