Pathfinder General /pfg/ Hella overpowered level 8 DSP succ

So I talked about how I did some fighter changes last thread. I have them here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1twEab3PBHvzMLTrx_UJak4P9g5avkvVaZfrBiMPI-6s/edit?usp=sharing

I had to write them in the last half an hour or so, transferring them from paper. I'm going to transfer the other equipment tricks tomorrow (I added more so that fighters could get variety). Here is the list of them:
>Disguise Kit Tricks
>Alchemist Lab Tricks
>Alchemist Fire Tricks
>Tanglefoot Bag Tricks
>Potion Tricks
>Scroll Tricks
>Bow Tricks
>Artisan's Tools Tricks
>Forgery Kit Tricks
>Healer's Kit Tricks

Is anyone interested in this, if so I'll try and transfer them all tomorrow.

Basically the change gave fighters A LOT more defenses than they had previously. I always envisioned fighters as the most defensive martial class, the one who could weather the storm. Their bonus equipment tricks are meant to give them things they can both do in and out of combat, allowing them little tricks brought on my improvisation. I added new tricks to existing items, and new items with tricks to give more options. In addition I changed how Advanced Weapon & Armor Training work, while adding new ones for both.

Check it out! I'd love feedback!

> phalanx soldier fighters can hold spears as a one handed weapon
Anyone have cool ideas involving this. I've looked into dual wielding spears but I don't know if it is viable.

I prefer the Rite Publishing method of monster classes. They aren't as strong as the monster, but at least I can play with my party using them.

>>47808066
You have to be using a shield

Looking for answers on this and paizo forums are cancerous rulefags

There should be no penalty for a normal full attack with two different weapons, without using TWF to gain the extra strikes, right?

like a fighter with +6 BAB makes his first attack with a sword, and second attack with a dagger, there should be no penalties for that, right?

>>47808066
Read the archetype, god damn.

>>47808110
Correct. TWF penalties only apply if you use it to get the extra attack.

>>47808126
swhat i thought.

tried to browse paizo forums for an answer but all i got was an autistic argument where people were arguing that merely the act of wielding two weapons gave you the penalties. Which for that to be true shields would be.. even worse than they are.

>>47808066
You can dual wield short spears, but you can do that without the archetype.

>At 3rd level, when a phalanx soldier wields a shield, he can use any polearm or spear of his size as a one-handed weapon.
>Wields a shield

What part of that makes you think you could dual wield two handed spears?

>>47808140
Yeah no, that's fucking retarded.

>>47808120
>>47808106
I'm fucking shit. Is there any other way of duel wielding spears without taking two handed penalties

>>47808141
Wear a buckler, but forego the shield bonuses and attack with a weapon in the hand.

>>47808141
or two levels of alchemsit for extra hands.

>>47808185
Short spears are 1H weapons.

>>47808188
RAW that works, but RAI you're an asshole.

>>47808185
You can't really dual wield anything without two weapon fighting penalties, assuming that's what you meant when you said two handed.

>>47808227
If you want to be really technical, you could say that it doesn't work RAW because the archetype specifies "Any polearm or spear" and not "polearms or spears," which could be interpreted to say that you can only use one weapon at a time this way.

>>47807870
What does /pfg/ think about feat taxes? What does /pfg/ think about this homebrew?

>http://theworldissquare.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/

>>47808274
I use that homebrew in all my games

its excellent. I recommend it for everyone.

>>47807870

inner sea intrigue where.

>>47808274
We had a game with these rules and cheap firearms rules once. It lead to every party member having a backup revolver just for deadly aim fuckery and ease of use. Pretty neat.

I'm interested in getting a TN summoning oriented cleric. Is there a deity that isnt nethys that wont get pissed at their faithful summoning both good and evil aligned outsiders?

>>47807896
So everyone. Any thoughts on whether anyone finds this interesting enough for me to transfer the additional equipment tricks.

>>47808357
Brigh? Pharasma (so long as those evil outsiders you summon aren't Daemons)?

>>47808357
Why TN? That's the only alignment that doesn't let you use Sacred Summons.

>>47808357
Naderi.
Summon some dead waifus you slut.

>>47808185
Don't PoW and PoW:E have feats to be able to use a spear in one hand?

>>47808140
>Which for that to be true shields would be.. even worse than they are.
Oh, then it sounds like that is true and that'll be "fixed"in an upcoming FAQ to make sure everyone reads it that way

>>47807870
Which pdf has succubus?
On my phone right now but the linked zip doesn't seem to have it

>>47808343
Isn't it already on the cleaners?

>>47808458
Going for a caster cleric so I'm not under pressure to get standard action summons. Summon variety is a greater concern in this case.

>>47808507
It's in the zip.

The Magic Tactics Toolbox doesn't appear to be in the trove. Am I missing something or is it just not there yet?

>>47808553
It's not in there yet, but the pdf has been cleaned.

>>47808541
Yep, I think my download cut off first time

I got rid of the game's normal currency system and implemented half a dozen by nation. Am I an asshole for doing this?

>>47808597
Is it going to make the game more of a pain in the ass to enjoy? If so then yes. How do the currencies work for magic item creation?

>>47808618
Magic item prices are set by country. One could game the system as a high level wizard to travel between countries to turn a profit. How ever magical globalization has forced the economy to adapt.

The main prices are set by the Deneheinian Emprire as they are by far the largest producer and gave the most economic weight to throw around in that area of the continent.

>>47808649
Okay, yeah, if I have to ask for every single item's price in every damn country that's a pain in the ass and not fun.

>>47808670
Basically you check what country you're in and I put it in a conversion table that I have and have provided for them.

>>47808564
Actually no, even a redownload didn't work. Did you get it from the sendspace link? Is the succubus pdf just invisible to phones?

>>47808742
Wrong post m8, I was talking about MTT not the DSP stuff.

>>47808274
Martial Flexibility is one of the few good things Pazio came up with, and should be more accessible to other classes. That's the type of class feature Fighters should have from level 1.

>>47808761
Whoops, meant >>47808541

Any spymaster's handbook leaks yet

>>47808779
I personally disagree. Feats is the one thing fighters do have enough of.

"The liquid is clearly unsafe to drink, but if, for some reason, a creature does drink the liquid and the spell ends, the creature takes 3d6 points of damage, and brings up the solid version of the item as a standard action in a coughing fit."


What's the most absurd object weighing 1 pound/level that you can imagine someone bringing up in a coughing fit?

>>47808973
What is that description for?

>>47808973
A book.

But the person doing the coughing is that one Occultist archetype, so he just looks at it then eats it again.

Is Tashanna the same as the Tasha who created Hideous Laughter?

>>47808920
To some degree though, most combat maneuvers are situational. I feel like the versatility is much needed to a class like a fighter that is typically locked down into specialty in combat.

>>47809016
Liquefy from Arcane Anthology

>>47808973
A full suit of Mithril Full Plate, although I'm sort of cheating by assuming shenanigans for a CL of 25.

>>47809070
I think that's much better solved with consolidation of "Improved" feats rather than giving Martial Flexibility.

>>47809151
That wouldn't solve anything in regard to the lack of versatility like Martial Flexibility. Your solution would only really benefit of other classes giving less incentive to play the Fighter.

>>47808973
A footstool is 2 lbs. A blanket is 3 lbs. However much soap as you can fit in your spell.

>>47808973
That's actually not a bad idea to liquify your equipment or lockpicks/metal file if you think you're going to be captured.

What are they going to do, pump your stomach for no reason?

>>47808973
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/
A small tent is 20 lbs. Epic level liquefy lets you cough up a tent.

>>47808066
>I've looked into dual wielding spears but I don't know if it is viable.
The dwarven longaxe and longhammer are polearms. You can go into combat dual-wielding massive 10 foot axes or hammers. Who gives a shit if it's viable, it's fucking awesome! Do it.

>>47809325
Only lasts for rounds/level though

>>47809285
I think other changes should be made. Advanced Armor/Weapon Training should be given in addition to rather than instead of armor and weapon training, and should be given as soon as you get Armor & Weapon Training. There should be more of then that do varied and interesting things.

That gives fighters something uniquely theirs rather than just "feats again".

>>47809433
Maybe make one group the default and make 'extra group' an AWT?

I'd probably give them weapon training at level 1 or 2 instead of 5 as well.

How should I handle the party meeting NPCs for their party?

I know my party would like a few to balance the dynamic out, but I have no idea how to let them go about this.

Help?

>>47809492
See I think level 3 is fine for "Advanced Training" to turn on (Armor comes first). I think at level 2 there should be another. I have been doing a homebrew that gives fighters Equipment Tricks and the ability to ignore Equipment Trick prerequisites. I also added a larger list.

In the draft fighters hey four "Advanced Equipment Trainings". This gives them a total of 12 by choice class features in the draft. 4 Advanced Armor, 4 Advanced Wealon, and 4 Advanced Equipment.

I am also expanding and clarifying what constitutes armor training and what constitutes weapon training.

>>47808723
basically what I and any other sane player would do is call you a stupid cunt.

>>47807870

Why are her wings coming out of the small of her back? For what purpose?

>>47809658
Christ you're angry. I like the idea, it adds depth to the setting.

>>47809692
Cute Succubus Wings (Ex): These do nothing, but they're kind of cute. +4 to Diplomacy checks to make requests, but -4 to Diplomacy checks to improve creatures' attitudes.

>>47809721
Why would they make it harder to improve attitude? I imagine the wings would make people want to help them more.

>>47809759
Make who want to help them more? Succubus wings are not reassuring to nearly any mortal, and weak underdeveloped ones are unlikely to curry much favor in the lower planes.

>>47809817
but they're conveniently places to serve as handlebars, so there's that.

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>>47808185
See filename.

>>47809817
They're cute and reassuring because they look useless.

>>47809943
>See fine ass
Seen.

>>47809936
>>47809963
That's what makes them improve their adorable requests, but the other creatures in question still know it's a succubus and the more she hangs around the more they're gonna think she's after their soulsticles.

Has anyone checked out the Monster Classes book?
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9j5p/discuss?Monster-Classes-WorkInProgress#tabs

>>47810177
Nah, a succubutt wouldn't waste their time, if they wanted the S they would take the S.

>>47810193
I just bought the sub.

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>>47809943
That ass belongs up me

>>47809943
Are the "twin thunders" the ass + tits or just the two asscheeks?

>>47810225
You can't get shit with that awful outfit.

>>47807896
Yeah, seems interesting enough.

>>47808260
Or you could not be a dick and just let your player take the -1 attack penalty for attacking with a hand equipped with a buckler, plus the extra -2 penalty for dual-wielding oversized weapons, for almost no real benefit unless they also waste a feat on exotic polearms for 2d6 or 1d12 damage, which is a lower penalty to damage ratio than just taking Power Attack or Piranha Strike. It's not like this is some massively overpowered build or something.

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How're you holdin' up, /pfg/?

I may need a little bit of help with a thing: after finally finishing up the macros on Elsbeth's spellbook updating a total of 111 spells; remember to update your macros often 'cause that rack ups quick, I remembered I still have 8 more spells to grab. 5 from a neglected Human FCB I keep forgetting to calculate and 3 more from FCB and hitting Lv.10. Though we haven't officially levels or finished the arc quite yet due to a cancelled session, I kinda wanted to get this taken care of ahead of time.

Suggestions?

>>47810002
Its Scáthach from fate/Grand Order

That booty.

>>47810211

How many monster classes does it have so far?

>>47810291
Human FCB? Is Elspeth a half-elf? That darn mudblood.

>>47810291
Well that came out a bit sloppy, didn't it? fuckin' spoiler working half the time..

>>47810312
She's a dirty half-blood, yes.

>>47809433
Armor/Weapon Trainning tend to be lackluster imo. Especially with magic weapons/armor being a thing.

If they had a way to replicate the benefits of some of those abilities I'd be all for it. They would have to amount to more than hitting things better or having dr though.

>>47810302
12 so far

>>47810319
Oh, okay, do you have a list of the spells known so far?

>>47810239
You haven't seen my irl persona, Whomas Tayne, billionaire wizard-industrialist

>>47810312
Beth, not Peth.

>>47810377
I haven't seen them both together, I'm pretty sure she's also a planeswalker.

>>47810350
Have you heard about Kanye West's alter ego, Wayne Quest?

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All best girls are half elves,

Like Livia the Bard-a-din

>>47810347
That is a bit disappointing, I was hoping for a more extensive list like 3.0s Savage Species.

>>47810449
Well it's still in progress, it's not like it's done yet.

>>47810427
Is he also a fucktard?

>>47810428
Heeyyy, I remember that sprite.

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Should I DM this or a Magic School campaign?

>>47810463
Sounds like you're just jealous of real talent.

>>47810476
Still in use today bby,

Our campaign is a little slow going but its moving towards the end

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Superior elf coming through

>>47810291
I'm making a character, and we were told low optimization, but the way people are talking It's increasingly clear that while I'll probably be called out on it if I go all-out, if I don't, I'll be on a "core monk in a party of clerics" level of most-useless-in-the-group

>>47810496
Magnificent.

>>47810519
Just build high-op and play low-op. It's not that difficult.

>>47810519
Go all-out on something dumb. Hyper-optimize Magic Missile.

>>47810529
I rip/modify sprites for every campaign (I started the trend cause we use roll20, way better than images and the such), Livia was definitely the biggest edit i've done, probably don't have to do another soon since i'm GM next time 'round

>>47810291
Holding up all right, just building and theorycrafting.

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>>47810486
They all work for me now, whether they want to or not

>>47810534
This.

You can build high and play low, but you can't build low and play high.

This way, you can play nice if it IS low op, but bust out the big guns if it's high op in a cunning disguise.

>>47810347
>>47810291
Elsbeth's current spell list so far, Pastebin'd for you convenience:
http://pastebin.com/7TzK90ya

GM threw like, 15 spellbooks at us over the campaign. There are still a few spells there that I haven't plugged in yet, but that's mostly because there are a couple scrolls the GM introduced are in the loot table that hasn't been shipped to us yet.

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>>47810582
Exclusively on Lucha Underground.

>>47810609
Okay, I'm assuming you're 10th level despite the higher level spells in there?

>>47810617
I mean Hail Sarenrae

>>47810658
Yeah. The high level spells came from scroll drops in random loot tables

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>>47810291
>want to create more additions to homebrew
>running out of ideas for actually new things
>running out of things to steal from other classes
>can't figure out a way to fish for ideas since most of it is stupid niche things /pfg/ will probably ignore because it's not initiating or psionics
>still scared that the group I'm in is going to fall apart

Could be worse I guess. At least I can rewatch the Dishonored 2 trailer another dozen times to get hype.

>>47810479
I read that as Magic School Bus campaign and I was wondering why you'd even ask such a question.

That said, you should run your magic school campaign like Magic School Bus.

>Please let this be a normal field trip
>With the Wiz? No way!

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More Superior elf coming through

>>47810708
Ffs, stregone anon, get your shit together and fix the psionic archetype.

Has anyone played with a template? I'm thinking of allowing my players to select a template at character creation, and having them "unlock it" near the middle-end of the campaign as a cool power boost. Thinking things like Lycanthrope, Cursed One, etc.

Anyone ever played around with templates? I can already tell I should flat out disregard what the game considers the CR increase and wing it in that regard.

>>47810609
Cloud Kill, Planar Binding Lesser, Wall of Stone, Dominate Person, Icy Prison, Enervation, Confusion, Telekinetic Charge, Communal Phantom Steed, Greater Invisibility, Life Bubble, Communal Stone Skin, Feeblemind, Hold Monster, Phantasmal Web, Suffocation

>>47810740
What's the penalty for popping a boner in-combat? Entangled? Sickened? Petrified?

>>47809040
Yes.

They are also Iggwilv, The Witch Queen of Greyhawk and possibly also one of the daughters of Baba Yaga.

>>47810784
http://archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentMiscDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Alchemical%20pheromones%20(aggression)

Loss of Dex to AC.

>>47810479
The thing I love most about the Darkest Ending version of Golarion is when Bazzy Thrune literally becomes Cheliax, he is the greatest hope for mortalkind to continue existing when he becomes a Genius Loci bastion against the cyber-demon hoards.

Bazzy is the hero we need.

>>47810831
But then it all gets fucked up by the Glorious Reclamation assholes.

>>47810831
Gosh I hope not, he spies on his sister in the bathtub.

>>47810784
Yes, also permanent 2 Cha drain

What does /pfg/ think of DSP's monster classes?

>>47810886
Goo girl best girl

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>>47810291
>tfw realizing 1st level wizard students actually don't get good enough spells to blow themselves up like everyone says happens

So /pfg/, need some opinions on people's favorite front line tanky/tough DPR classes/builds. DSP is fully allowed and all that. Also opinions on the Knight Disciple archetype from POW Expanded.

>>47810927
Zweihander Sentinel

>>47810847
The way I see it, the Bad Guys win in the Darkest Ending timeline, so technically the players in Hell's Vengeance still come out victorious over the Glorious Reclamation.

It makes the GL look even worse when they try and throw a rebellion with a bunch of cyber-demons heading towards them.
Besides, keep in mind that the Drovenges win in Council of Thieves. I don't think the GL would be as successful with the son of Mammon standing in their way.

>>47810852
That's not his fault. Allegedly, she was hot.

>>47810922
Scroll mishaps?

>>47810943
>That's not his fault. Allegedly, she was hot.
Yeah, so? I don't spy on my sister in the shower.

>>47810943
But in Hell's Vengeance you're not playing the bad guys :^)

>>47810962
Is she hot though?

>>47810886
Gelatinous Cube is my favorite.

It's secretly an incredible Crimson Countess.

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>>47810962
I would if she was hot.

>>47810966

>>47810943
Now I'm imagining a crack squad of evil PCs from Hell's Vengeance, in their prime at like level 16, being the last hope for the world after the shit hits the fan all over the place.

>>47810906
>>47810978
Does it keep the vore fetish alive?

>>47810603
What if the low-op was an Avant-Guard?

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>>47810744
I'm really sorry, but I am still utterly lost with it and am kind of scared to mess with it too much. I knew what I wanted from the base class so it was pretty easy to blunder my way through the creation process. I never really had much interest in psionics though, so I don't have any heading besides "it uses psionics".

>>47810977
>>47810993
Obviously you two don't have siblings.

>>47811018
I mean.. you could, but I would hope you wouldn't

>>47810927
Warder, it's really the only choice.

>>47811042
Oh I do, I would totally spy if they were hot. Or female.

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>>47810997
>In 4708, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a Chelaxian Inquisitorial court for a crime they did not commit. These adventurers promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Avistan underground. Today, still wanted by House Thrune they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them....maybe you can hire The Asmodeus-Team."
>mfw Darkest Timeline-Suicide Squad campaign

>>47811042
No, I mean I would spy on your sister if she was hot.

>>47811099
Oh, well that's a bit more reasonable. Though I am against that.

>>47811093
Totes against this.

>>47811042
You definitely implied your own sister was hot.

>>47811170
Just because someone is hot doesn't mean you find them attractive. Hugh Laurie is a dream boat for sure, but I'd never bed him lord knows I would only disappoint him.

/pfg/ less creepy when?

>>47811201
Never, sadly.

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>>47811201
We could talk about familiars instead! What kind of familiars do you guys like, and why are cats the best familiars?

>>47811081
>>47810941
Alright.
Ratings on Ordained defender, Zwei-Sent and Fiend-bound?
>>47811194
Its alright no one can't disappoint him.
>>47811201
When its dead and gone
>>47811224
They become glorious cat-girl waifus.

>>47811194
That's because he's a guy and I assume you aren't gay.
If you think a woman is hot, you, by definition, find them attractive.

>>47811250
You haven't found people that are good looking but you aren't attracted to?

>>47811274
Not unless they have a shitty personality that turns me off.

>>47811224
>>47811239
It'd have to be more woman and less cat, or else that shit would be freaky

>>47811348
Well maybe one day you won't have the desire to fuck everything that moves. Which is good, because you'll be constantly disappointed from rejection until then.

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>>47811224

>>47811384
Cold-blooded

>>47810886
Gelatinous Cubes. FUCK. YEAH.

I guess they had to do succubi and the like because those'll actually sell, but the fun part's the crazy stuff like those.

Flail-Snails, Flumphs...

>>47811384
Damn dude, just because I think a chick is hot and attractive doesn't mean I immediately want to mate with her.
Get your shit straight.

>>47811424
Do you have something against Flail Snails?

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>>47811362
Pick your waifu poison.
Hint: Its the last one.

>>47811473
>animal structured hands and nose

How can you even tell?

>>47811522
Sameface is a plague more insidious than furry.

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Fool's Errand is the best thing to ever happen to my unarmed vigilante stalker.
I just got Lesson III: Suppression
mfw free sneak attacks whenever i want
mfw fool's errand is my discipline

>>47808185
Spear Dancing Spiral
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/spear-dancing-spiral-combat

Then Quarterstaff Master
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/quarterstaff-master-combat

>>47811224
Eidolons are the best familiars because they get the best skills. Nothing like having a familiar at level 1 with flight, a +22 to stealth, +15 to disable device, and +12 to perception.

>>47811470
No, while they'd never sell, I'd totally want one next.

>>47811541
I chortled

>>47811611
but to have an eidolon you have to have levels in a class that except for the eidolon isn't all that impressive.

>>47810906
>>47810978
>>47811424
Is this the rumored shilling I've been hearing about?

>>47811656
No, if it was shilling I'd at least be getting paid for it. Seriously, though, I always wanted to play a monk gelatinous cube after that WotC article.

>>47811649
Just funnel feats into improving your summon monster. You may not be as powerful as a full caster, but you'll make a strong showing and have some intense versatility.

>>47811672
Do the feats effect the SLA Summon Monster X? I thought most of them specified spell, though that was before the summoner was released.

>>47811656
it must be, some kind of product was discussed.

one cannot speak of any product on the internet without being paid for it, as evidenced from paizo employees creating the pathfinder general threads on 4chan here.

>>47811611
But anon, an eidolon isn't a familiar, and you can have a familiar and an Eidolon at the same time, if I'm not mistaken

>>47811700
I don't think anything stops you from having an eidolon, a familiar, and an animal companion all at once.

>>47811685
You can't metamagic the SLA Summon Monster, but Augment Summoning, Superior Summons, etc are all confirmed to work with it.

>>47811723
Oh, good.

>>47811718
Don't forget your cohort and followers, anon. They get lonely when they're alone.

Now, get in there and start casting some Summon Monster spells!

>>47811687
You, I like you, you die last

>>47811745
Well that's getting deleted.

>>47811685
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9rbq

>>47811656
Given it's for a literally free April Fool's product?

I feel it's unlikely, omae.

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>>47811759
>No visible nipples, dick, or vagina
>Not engaged in intercourse

APPROVED FOR ALL AUDIENCES

>>47811811
Except for the comic.

>>47811857
I'VE BEEN TRICKED

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>>47810740
>not enough THICC

Anyways, superior tiefling coming through

>>47811796
No, for the paid product

>>47808761

Is MTT the pastebin stuff?

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>>47811898
Are we doing that now?

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>>47811932
>>47811898

I feel blessed to live in an age where THICC is finally getting the appreciation it deserves on this Mongolian Basket-Weaving forum.

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>>47811932
I don't see why not.

>>47811970
It's always better in principle, imo. There's very, very few real people who fit the category without tipping over into "actually just obese".

I blame food culture

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>>47811970
Here's some more since you're interested.

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>>47811993

>Tiefling

That is clearly an Elf, sir.

A chesty, well-dressed Elf.

Who here likes dressing their characters up all fancy once in a while.

>>47811993
>I don't see why not.
Thread got nuked last time

You gotta be careful because a lot are just fat fuckers and we don't need that lardness

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>>47812024
>not being all fancy all the time

pleb.

>>47812024
He's constantly dressed fancy. One could even say he's extremely fashionable.

>>47812028
Honestly, our threads could use getting nuked every other thread.

>>47812087
its true we are cancer.

>>47812087
Mr Nemo is dead, but his hard on was made euphoric

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>>47812028
>last time
Well, guess that means we better try again!

or not. i don't actually have much in the way of thicc

>>47812024
Not all tieflings have horns!

do you have that in larger format

>>47812087

>That cute Angel in the back flashing the teacher

Who was the PF designer that hates monks? Anybody remember or have a screencap?

>>47812128
Yeah, I didn't see that at first.

>>47812135
Sean K Reynolds is usually the right answer, though Jason Buhlmann is probably also not incorrect.

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>>47812127
>do you have that in larger format

>>47812135
They all hate monks and martials, probably because they're all colossal turbotards, and any exercise will kill them

>>47812147
Any screencaps?

>>47812156
I know that shit.

>>47812024
I budget Sleeves of Many Garments for every character.

Fuck the errata.

>>47812271

I still don't understand what purpose the Errata to it even served.

>>47812271
>Errata

?

Got poked to join a game. It's a town setting built so that people can kind of jump in and out as needed. I'm thinking about making a blacksmithing dwarf or orc.

This game looks cray cray. It's 3.0, 3.5, pf with Gestalts and faster than normal leveling.

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>>47812149
many thanks, friend

Is there any way to get INT to hit?

>>47812331
That does sound crazy. Try not to let anyone get to you, those sort of games attract the Dick Ass Assassin players more often than not.

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>>47811718
Reminder that Promethean/Preservationist Alchemist||Master Summoner is the best way to be a one-man party that your GM will absolutely loathe!

I wish my GM would do gestalt, because I want to try it in the 1-on-1 game he wants to run.

>>47812369
Yeah, looking for some of the character sheets here and I feel like I'm going to wind up too normal for this game. Do the blacksmith thing or try for something a bit more "shiny"?

>>47812403
>Do the blacksmith thing or try for something a bit more "shiny"?

Make an Artisan: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/drop-dead-studios/the-artisan

Become the greatest producer in the town, practically *begging* for a dick-ass thief or assassin to find an excuse in stabbing you.

Please, that's always the best part of these Living Campaigns, presenting yourself as a target and encouraging violence against a totally innocent character.

>>47812331
Go Artificer, if you can. You can be your blacksmith, but insanely good at it.

>>47808597
Yes. But I love it because I did the same thing between nations *and* certain factions.

>>47812515
>>47812558
Artisan/Artificer?

>>47812028
>Thread got nuked last time

Lewd Healers Edition got nuked and I got a week ban. Fuck the mod for that. It was pretty sfw as far as fantasy images go.

>>47807870

That file does not have the hound archon nor the succubus.

>>47812579
Too much overlap. You want an active class to go with it.

I suggest Warblade or Warder, for Int-synergy and being the blacksmith with the hammer.

>>47812515
And for added points, make yourself as unkillable as possible.

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>>47812616
>make yourself as unkillable as possible.

I thought the ultimate bait was actually very killable, and constantly putting themselves in situations where they could be killed.

>>47812635
If you want to "tank" in 3.PF then yeah. They have no reason to try and hit you if they'll never actually hit you.

>>47809658
Wot

>>47812647
>If you want to "tank" in 3.PF then yeah. They have no reason to try and hit you if they'll never actually hit you.

I don't mean as a tank.

I mean as the kindly defenseless Artisan that constantly turns his back on Sanguine McEdgelord, or actually argues about prices with Mr. I'm-Always-Holding-A-Fireball-In-My-Hand.

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Hello /pfg/.

How do spellcasters deal with characters carrying a rod of absorption? Only rely on battlefield control / party buffs and entirely give up casting blasts (heh) or debuffs?

Also, what is a spell or piece of gear which protects against Death effects?

Thanks in advance, have some BBEG furniture.

>>47812647

the classic character type first called a "tank" made no assumptions of enemy stickiness

>>47812647
The impression I get is that they don't need to tank. The idea was to make them as juicy a target for dickass assassins as possible while being the least killable thing in existence.

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>New campaign
>Everyone made a menagery of exotic race + class with wholly different alignments
>They all meet converge in a hub trading town
>Players have absolutely made no interests/reason/motivation in forming a party
>They all just kinda hang out because the DM needs to advance the plot

FUCK!

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>>47812928

yep

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>>47812928

>mfw people complain about Human being too common
>mfw I'm always the only human in the party

Where do these chucklefucks come from?

>>47812928
This is why you need to all talk to the GM beforehand so you all can cooperatively determine character motivations.

Also, roleplaying, interaction, and good character development over time can help too

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>>47812928
>Everyone is going against cliche, because generic fantasy is 'too boring'
>I got a flamboyant gay dwarf cleric, a martyr-complex dhampir paladin, a struggling brooding musician gnome bard and a cheery hippy hobgoblin barbarian.

>>47808140
Well, to be totally legit, you have to remember that if you're wielding a weapon in each hand, then one of them has to be an "off-hand weapon" when using it as an iterative of a full attack. Doesn't affect attack bonus, but it does mean you only deal 1/2 of your strength mod for damage with the off-hand weapon.

Also, it means you cant't two-hand your sword, which is sort of like a penalty, given the context.

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>>47813053
>martyr-complex dhampir paladin
So just a Paladin who happens to be a dhampir? Or essentially a more morose Alucard or Soma Cruz?
sounds perfectly normal to me boss

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>>47812928
>My players are too lazy to make a backstory, so they usually resort to "we're associates, related, brothers in arms, war buddies, etc."
>It gets ridiculous when the party's CG elf wizard is genetically related to the NG ifrit oracle and is part of the same order as the LE tiefling antipaladin.

At some point, I just don't care about backstory anymore.

>>47813108
>So just a Paladin who happens to be a dhampir?

He literally hurts himself by channeling positive energy (which he himself states would actually damage a dhampir like himself) for the sake of good roleplaying.

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Hi guys, I want to thank you for you feedback so far in regards to the Luchador homebrew class I am making. It is nearly complete and ready to playtest I just need to finish up some of the personas. As promised here is the updated version of the class.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuHwR9uNL9zL2AGqUhYzOd47IJb22l1IK4aU1GxyYuU/edit?usp=sharing

And here is the list of techniques. Right now all I need is at least 5 complete personas. I am also open to any other suggestions for the class, techniques, syntax or grammar. Thanks again, you guys are amazing.

>>47811723
you can metamagic the sla, you just need to grab the monster feat version

So was kicking around ideas. How do folk think,
Think either.
Ordained Defender Zweihander Sent Warder 2/ (Something) Cleric 3/Battle Templar 10.
Or
OD-ZS Warder 4/ (something) Cleric 1/Battle Templar 10. Getting around the 2nd level spell req using Oni-Spawn Tiefling's Alter Self.
Either way I'd be using Magical Knack/Practiced Initiator.

>>47813136
That is good roleplaying, though it makes me wonder why he didnt just take that one feat or racial trait to remove said restriction.

Sounds like a cool dude though, and honestly seems to be least cringy of the party

Though the hobgoblin could be a genki cute

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>>47812384
>this shit
>not a 6 animal companion pokemon adventure
what kind of faggot are you?

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>>47812928
Are we just whining now? Here's mine

>The Bard, Alchemist and Magus are competing for who has the highest knowledge skill checks
>We don't need three fucking encyclopedias, why can't the bard focus on social skills, the magus on wondrous items and the alchemist on potions?
>I'm the only one with good perception and survival and we're all screwed if I fail it in the middle of a blizzard or fail to notice an ambush
>mfw

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>>47813053

>mfw I'm the only Human in the party
>mfw I'm the only Human in the party native to the region we're in
>mfw all the quest givers and human NPCs prefer talking to me over the others
>mfw I'm the Party Face simply because I'm the only one with a face they can talk to without thinking, "what the fuck, why is there a Lizardfolk in Taldor?"

Eat shit, Taldan forever.

>>47813203

I forgot that there are parties out there were not everyone maxes out perception.

The GM threw enough "surprise fuck-you" rogue attacks in our first rodeo that we never made that mistake again. That shit got old FAST.

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I was around taking suggestions for a Cha-based spontaneous casting class using the Druid spell list a while back.

While it's still a work in progress, and I haven't fleshed out certain specifics, the core is there.

If someone would check it for balance/interesting features, I'd appreciate it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DnEWO_s8OPzwMb5-Yn1ZfT-VQt3eLKoEWzrnuAsgDw/pub

Also please ignore the formatting issues that came up between Word and Google Docs

Why was Zweihander Sentinel even made? It's literally a direct upgrade compared to normal Warder. Why even bother?

>>47813255
Because it's cool, and because the minor difference of power doesn't really matter.

>>47813255
>Why even bother?

The Warder exists because some people want to use a shield.

Even if that shield's really just there for show.

>>47813180
>>47812384

>not just being a construct builder wizard with a hundred terracotta soldiers
>not animating a set of flying, burrowing, DR15 adamantine full plate to house your soul

Wut r u, casul?

>>47813203
Being an encyclopedia makes you feel like a special snowflake.

>Source: Just made a level 1 psychic for a new campaign with 3 separate features that all give +1 to all knowledge skills. Feelin' real fucking special.

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>>47813307
>this post
>no glory to be found
but where's the glory?

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>>47812928
>Be an Loradin (Lore Oracle / Paladin) of a 3 man party
>Make certain to stock up on defenses because the other members are a PsyArm and Eldritch Archer Magus, so I assume they'd be frail or lacking in defenses
>Mfw they both have better defenses than I (PsyArm with distill panoply and Defending and Guardian mind-daggers and several escape or teleport abilities, and Magus with Protector Familiar with Mirror Image SLA + fast healing, DR 5/Cold Iron, Hardness 10)
>My character became obsolete and reduced to a walking bandaid

>>47813328
the glory is written on the terracotta soldiers in the form of explosive runes.

>>47813180
There is nothing preventing you from using the same 5 bottled ally over and over. Homunculus is shit shouldermon.

>>47813358
kek
You got out-minmax'd Mr. Lore Oracle / Paladin

>>47812384
If it's a 1 on 1 game, why don't you just ask him to do it?

>>47813315
>I'm a human paladin, warrior of justice!
>I'm an elven magician
>I'm a Dorf!
>I'm a compendium of written information comprised of a 32 volume set

indeed

>>47813477
>last one
In other words, a Bard.

Blacksmith Anon again, I have a history of playing halflings and I was going to try to change that but now I got an idea that I kind of want to try out.

Retired halfling general that is now a tailor. Her old riding wolf is transformed into a small dog in order hide her past.

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>>47813420
Because he just doesn't "get" gestalt and never seems to want to bother actually figuring it out. Much like how nobody in the group wants to bother figuring out PoW despite all of them wishing martials were more fun to use.

The fact that he said he wanted to run the 1-on-1 game a month ago and hasn't said a thing about it since also puts a damper on trying to convince him.

>>47813489
Or comprehensive education human rebirth disciple Psychic with Heighten Awareness cast on him.

>>47813500
Courtly hunter? They can change their pet into a tiny animal form (as beastshape spell).

>>47813524
You're close. It's actually the noble scion feat, not heighten awareness.

That said, I'm now definitely feeling Heightened Awareness for my Mnemonic Esoterica once I can cast level 2 spells.

>>47813500
>Her old riding wolf is transformed into a small dog in order hide her past.

>Halfling
>Her
>Grizzled old vet

Make her attractive and you're not just fishing for Edgelords, you're fishing for creeps.

Do it do it do it.

>>47813500
Summoner? That little dog can still be as dangerous as a riding wolf.

In fact, it could still be ridable if it's just on the smaller end of medium. A mastiff sort of dog, maybe.

>>47813176
>That is good roleplaying
No its not. Here's what happened two sessions ago:

>Orc Witchdoctor shoots a fireball, while adjacent troll crits the barb
>Barb: "lol i'm okay, I can still eat a second crit-"
>"Bard: made my save, should be fine"
>Paladin: "I'll heal you, my friends"
>DM: Do it, and you'll eat an AoO from the Troll
>Barb: "No really, I'm good"
>Paladin: "I use channel energy"
>DM: The troll hits you for... max damage. On top of the damage you recieve from channel energy, you're incapacitated
>With the paladin down, the Troll focuses on the bard next
>Bard: "Oh fuck, not again"

>>47813551
Upgrade to pagebound epiphany once you can cast level 3 spell.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/p/page-bound-epiphany

>>47813588
Big lazy mastiff goes into protect-master mode. Jaw unhinges, hellish maw inside.

Bite
Improved Natural Attack
Bleed
Reach

>>47813611
Interesting. Though getting 3rd-level spells may not happen. While I'll be enjoying the squishy fullcaster life through 5th level, I'm going to prestige into the actual Noble Scion class at 6th and begin focusing on obscene wealth, UMD, and a high-level cohort to get by.

>>47813609
>Pally is a good-hearted retard
Sounds about right, anon. What's the issue?

>>47813609
That is some very poor tactical acumen.

>>47813658
The bard got incapacitated next and the gay cleric had his hands busy kek healing two incapacitated members instead of one.

>>47813613
Boooring

>Jaw unhinges, hellish maw inside.

>hellish maw extends
>legs anchor into ground
>autocannon roars to life

>>47813684
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

>>47813684
I mean shit, that's badass. But I'm not sure how you're gonna get that at early levels.

>>47813577
All my halflings are cute girls anon I am the creep

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>>47813712

How cute are we talking, anon.

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>>47813712
>Not playing huggable halfling shotas

2/10 piss poor, mate

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>>47813609
I'm reminded of Paladin from the Bikini Warriors anime.

>>47813729
Look at that beautiful +9 armor bonus.

>>47813729
I remember a lot from that anime, but none of it their personalities or the story.

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>>47813729
>Paladin
>Is actually the lewdest of the cast

I love this cliche

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>>47813770

Paladins are not for lewd.

Their total immunity to disease and astounding stamina is for the field, not the bedroom.

>>47813770
>Paladin is actually the lewdest of the party

Why do you think they always have that stick up their ass?

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/pfg/, I can take a cantrip from any class's spell list. What, in your opinion, is the best paizo-printed cantrip? Or your top three.

>>47813801
Detect Magic, Read Magic, Prestidigitation.

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>>47813725
This cute

>>47813782

...Does sharing a bedroll in a bivouac count as the field?

>>47813609
But channel energy doesn't provoke AoO...

>>47813782
Love is a battlefield anon.

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>>47813782
If you wanted more lewd paladins, you could have just said so, anon.

>>47813846

Are they respecting each other's boundaries, or is there heavy spooning?

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>>47813839
That's not a harfling, that's just a yordle.

>>47813854
Moving past the troll's threatened area does.

>>47813839

That's cute.

Turbo-cute.

Make her bust a cup larger and she'd be perfect bait.

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>>47813782
I can't help it, anon.
LOOK at her. She's just begging me to ride her all day and night.

>>47813888
>LOOK at her. She's just begging me to ride her all day and night.

That armor doesn't look like it supports a saddle.

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>>47813839
>>47813869

Halflings look like this.

>>47813870
>moving past the troll to channel
It's a 30ft burst, anon

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>>47813782
Oh! this is neglect play!

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>>47813899
But what if my halfling looks like this?

protip: this is my halfling

>>47813866

Heavy spooning. But it's a cold night anyway.

>>47813957

>Cute halfling
>Cute face tattoo
>Dark Magicks
>Amputee
>A+ filename

You have my full approval, anon.

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>>47813949
>Oh! this is neglect play!

Ignoring the impassioned advances of a party member only to accept them just as she's about to give up is the best.

>>47813899

>using 5e art as a judgment for what 'fantasy should look like'

You must have brain damage. I will leave you be.

>Spells that seem mediocre but have eneded up being incredibly useful

Commune with birds. Are you outdoors? Are you looking for something that is or has been outdoors? Birds are fucking everywhere. They will hook you the fuck up.

>>47813981
>cute halfling
If only
>face tattoo
I can see how the coloration does that
>amputee
Augh, the coloring!
>filename
not sure if sarcasm

it's a genuine commissioned art piece for my Hell's Vengeance wizard
she's a Good Slip

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>>47814001
Agreed. Everyone knows THIS is a harfling.

>>47814011
ugh it's a girl

gay

filename had ss in the name

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>>47814020
Kill it with arrows

>>47814011

I'd harp less on the coloring, which is fine, and more on the anatomy, perspective, etc. They were going for something cool but it just ends up looking dull.

>>47814033
Cute dwarf, anon.

>>47814032
>spoiler
well i'll be. puush did a good thing?

>gay
only if you make it gay

>>47814042
For $20, it was a breddy gud deal.

>>47814047

Nah, dwarves are longer proportioned and closer to human size just stocky.

>>47814054
I wanted to make it gay, anon. That's the point.

But yeah, that's pretty solid for $20.

>>47814054
>>47814082

Who are some good commissioners, anyway?

I've been using this one girl on Tumblr but I'd like to diversify.

>>47814140
Artists that you like.

Seriously, go out and find some to follow.

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>>47814047
>poofy pant legs/sleeves, must be a dwarf
Get fashionable, anon

>>47814140
Browse art sites. Tumblr usually lets you search "commission" pretty effectively, and most of those people put examples in their ads, in addition to being able to browse their page/blog/what have you.

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>>47813992

And they say Bluff is useless for paladins.

>>47814212

But anon, neglect is best when you do it to the Paladin, not the other way around.

>>47814140

My advice is to worry less about the price and more about the artist, their style, and if you really like it that much. Then when you are prepared to make a commission, know what you want, provide lots of examples, but also don't be overbearing. If the buckle on their shoe isn't the right type of buckle for a 16th century inspired mercenary don't get bent out of shape about it and hound them repeatedly, it will worsen the process for both sides.

Now, if you give them a very simple 'Lady Dwarf Paladin', expecting a serious tone for the piece with aesthetically pleasing armor, and they give you a THICC furry sparkledog OC looking thing in bad WarCraft armor, then yes rake them over the coals for it.

>>47812811
Shameless bump.

>>47814234

I don't know, Anon. You try and neglect them, and they just accept it out of respect for your feelings, and then you get mad and pay constant attention to them so you find the right moment to ignore them properly, but they just accept it again, and the whole thing repeats.

>>47812811
The rod only absorbs single-target spells and rays. Use AoEs or just have your martials kill it.

>>47814311
What >>47814359 said.

Also
>what spell or piece of gear protects against death effects
Most death effects are, in fact, single-target spells and SLAs, so the answer would, in fact, be a rod of absorption.

Do illusion spell get foiled by a successful spellcraft check?

>>47814359
>>47814396
Thanks! I thought the rod would also work against AoE spells.

>>47812811
>Also, what is a spell or piece of gear which protects against Death effects?
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Litheria%20Blossom

>>47814437
it would be roughly the same as being told it's an illusion, i.e. a bonus on the save