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My issue with Grot Banshees is how much space their models take up in foam due to the wings.

hellmouth waifu <3

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nrelated to mk3, my friend is gonna be kicking up an IKRPG game and i'm sort of new to the system. I wanna make someone hard hitting and tough, how are iron fangs in the RPG as a career? I was thinking of making an iron fang/military officer for someone who can hit hard, take a hit, and maybe do somecombat buffs.

Any more thoughts on this?

Kryssa +31
-Scythean +18
-Angelius -17
-Seraph -14
-Raek -8
Beast Mistress -4
-Shredder -4
-Shredder -4
Forsaken x1 -4
Hellmouth x2 -12
Swordsmen + UA -21

>>47712495
I've switched to magnets due to the number of nails and tusks on my models. Now I can hold my whole army upside down, even the old metal models.

>>47712562
should work fine. just make sure to go skilled if you arent gonna be the brains of the operation. mighty is only better if you really need better self-healing for some reason

>>47712602
I was mostly thinking mighty or skilled, mighty for defender and righteous anger as a combination.

>>47712562
i hear bad things about the RPG system trying to be too much like the TT system, to its detriment. life spirals make things all look flimsy including PCs :\

>>47712651
Thats only the beginning of it. Imagine an Xray vision spell that only thinks about how it ignores LOS for ranged attacks. Not about how you know, your looking through walls!

>>47712639
skilled is better 90% of the time, regardless of what you are doing because its archetype benefits are ridiculous. virtuoso, swashbuckle, defensive strike, sidestep...

i ran two mighty characters in a row before figuring that out. vendetta is a necessity if you really want to go that way, its your feat point engine.

>>47712590

Not sure I like the BM package, but it warrants testing.

>>47712797
The DM really doesn't like Virtuoso and has effectively softbanned it. I can take it, but i'd feel like a real heel if I did use it, so is Skilled still worth it if I avoid it?

>>47712828
yeah it's mostly there to shoot out flankers and be gross on feat turn. being only FURY 6 it's also a way to get a couple more beasts on the board, POW 13 + 4d6 on the (free) charge followed up with two 13+3d6 isn't awful.

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My Grandma just died and I'm really upset. She bought me this Warhound titan right before she died and it means a lot to me. Do you think the TO would be okay if I used it as a Gorax? It's really sentimental to me and I want to use it in every game I play.

>>47713071
Uh, isn't a Gorax a medium base That thing is way too big, for starters.

>>47713071
oh for fucks sake fuck off with that stupid shit from the last thread, nobody cares

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>>47713071
look at the size of that

>>47713158
But my grandma bought me it, don't you understand how important that is to me?

>>47713190
lol what

>>47712931

I definitely see the merits. We'll just have to see if it's too vulnerable, or if another heavy would be better.

>>47713190
only autist virgins find this shit funny

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>>47713071
>being this anally devastated that someone had a good relationship with their grandfather

>>47712931
I always liked the Mistress on paper in Mk2, but squishiness combined with lack of raw power made it hard to justify her, and since the pot couldn't restock her missiles she lost a lot of value quickly.

I think that the pot changes and shredders being better at killing stuff makes her more promising, so I'd definitely say this is worth trying out.

>>47713071
Try harder, bub.
From the looks of it you are really triggered, autist. I forgot about that and here you are again, providing me with joy from your butthurt! Brilliant!
By the way know what you have in common with Gorax? You are both gaining power from your anal pains.

Please provide rules leak, scan, pdf, please provide something or the hype is gonna kill me. i do not want to hear the grandpa heirloom stuff again.

>>47712286
>>>47712201
>Fingers crossed she may be another caster for Thamar.

Alexia is not a Thamarite.

>>47712477
I am trying to find out which No Quarter has the Steelhead stuff for the IKRPG. Anyone want to help me out?

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Not sure I'm happy with it.

>>47713425
the BB doesn't do enough for them.

Anyone have a better image of OP's pic? The frogman about to get eaten is dope.

>reverse image search
>best match is 'fictional character'

>>47713469

Swap for Seraph and Typhon?

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I am *really* stoked for this guy. Can't wait to try him out, especially in a Kreoss2 army. All exemplars, every day. And Fire of Salvation, I guess.

Knights Exemplar Officer
Protectorate Command Attachment
Spd 5 Str 6 Mat 8 Rat 4 Def 12 Arm 15 Cmd 9

Battle Driven
Tactics: Overtake
Granted: Cleave
Minifeat for Divine Inspiration

Relic Blade
Rng 1, Pow 5, PS 11, Magical Weapon, Weapon Master

PC 3
FA 3
Small Base

Any shenanigans you guys have in mind?

Anyone mind helping with 3e Vayl1?

Here's an almost straight port of THE list:


Points: 75/75
Vayl, Disciple of Everblight (+27 pts)
-Ravagore (19 pts)
-Seraph (14 pts)
-Scythean (18 pts)
-Typhon (24 pts)
Blighted Nyss Raptors (Full, 18 pts)
Forsaken (4 pts)
Forsaken (4 pts)
Spell Martyr (1 pt)

But I don't know if that's the best way to play her anymore. Her defensive capabilities are weakened, and Incite more widely applicable.

so what are some cheese lists you guys assume you will see the first few months... i've heard
-madrack2 waaagh-like
-sloan snipe
-venethrax mass flying jacks
-mass juggs
-thag1 revive
any others and anymore specifics about these?

>>47713743
Banshees. Banshees for days. You can get them to effective RAT9 POW14 with 10 8" sprays. SPD7 with wings and gunfighter. Force barrier keeps them safe from drifting AOE, bring the solo and keep them safe from most direct shooting too. Something like this (I made it in like two seconds but it's a start):

Legion Army - 75 / 75 (+27) points

Vayl, Disciple of Everblight [+27]
- Typhon [24]
- Scythean [18]
- Scythean [18]
- Seraph [14]
Grotesque Banshees (max) [13]
The Forsaken [4]
The Forsaken [4]
Grotesque Assassin [4]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Spell Martyr [1]

>>47713647
Stack with High Reclaimer's Hand of Fate for mega dice stupidity

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>>47713274
>By the way know what you have in common with Gorax? You are both gaining power from your anal pains.

You fucking got me anon.

>>47713812

SP6 aren't they? Or am I missing something?

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>>47713071
That's a cool model, I'll allow it

>>47713071
LOL

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ride the lightning

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>>47714211

>>47713560
Seraph yes. Typhon, eh. You need to be able to reliably generate enough fury to fill both up while having transfer targets. This list also lacks a real heavy - Zuriel doesn't cut it.

You don't need that much Fury management either. I'd lose the Shepherd.

eTwins +24
-Zuriel -18
-Scythean -18
-Seraph -14
-Raek -8
-Naga -8
Shepherd x3 -3
BFS -9
Swordsmen + UA -21

The Shepherds will mostly hang out with the Naga and Seraph, you’ll need to use fury to clear the others.

>>47713743
Put her in cover or on a hill. Block some LOS. She will largely be OK I think. No Rampager means you can hold more transfers. Not getting a feat move isn't the end of the world.

I'm not sold on the Ravagore. I'd probably trade it for some combination of
-Annyssa
-Banshees
-Swordsmen + UA

And get a Shepherd friend or two for the Seraph. Maybe trading out one of the Forsaken/

>>47713923
You're missing nothing, I'm just retarded. I think they're still incredibly good with her.

>>47714452
i'm on a swordsmen kick with basically everything haha but i can see how they would be

>>47714486
There are very few losers with the new Incite. I think that Banshees are just very cost effective and easier to deliver. Swordsmen will definitely do a lot more work if you can get them there safely though. I can get behind both options, and I like that she has a lot more flexibility than before.

>>47714577
Banshees, I'm just thinking does the list really need more sprays on top of Typhon, or could it benefit from more cracking. POW 14 isn't really going to crack a heavy, but they will absolutely shred lights with several of them

>>47713765
For Khador I can suggest: jack box spam, mow box spam, min wgrc+rockets spam, Irusk2 any infantry spam, Harkevich arcing fire blast spam.

>>47714588
The list I threw together is definitely spray-heavy, but it's not exactly lacking armor cracking either. 2 Scytheans and Typhon is pretty good at destroying anything you need it to. The banshees are cheap chaff that can do surprising work against enemy screens, or get unexpected shots on second line squishies.

I'm a bit rusty on how warbeast packs work.

Do Blight Wasps benefit from Beth's feat by themselves?

Vayl2: can she be salvaged? Can't really call her spell list BAD, but it's certainly a lot weaker. Any list ideas?

>>47714698
Unfortunately not, as they count as a unit comprised of warbeasts/grunts, but not warrior models, so they can't trigger it off of each other. They are warbeasts though, so you can have them run and spread out on any target you need to jam your swordsmen/raptors/whatever into to trigger the feat flank for cheap.

>>47714698
they're not warrior models.

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Conflict Chamber dude.

>>47714736
Seraphs and Scytheans with boundless charge are not bad tech. Bring a cheap screen and pot if you want. Raptors can still do a lot of work for her (occultation on them is very good) - they could before but you couldn't take them in theme so you rarely ever saw it.

Her personal assassination potential is somewhat reduced against some things, but against lower ARM warlocks, and with the new overboosting mechanics, she can force a lot of transfers/overboost spending and enable a second piece to come in and finish the job, as she can nickel and dime with a series of cheap nukes instead of just dropping a wad right on their head.

>>47714760
so he is uuuh

>>47714793

A Merc, I'd say. The Partisan rule doesn't really matter here in a listbuilder at the moment.

>>47714888
No, just thinking use for him

>>47714917

Hot Meal. Stryker2.

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>>47714790

Thrown together, probably not great

>>47715002
you don't need this much fury mgmt. 1 forsaken and a shepherd would probably suffice.

vayl wants a raek.

>>47715023

Why a Raek? Not like she can use it as an Arc Node.

>>47714917
Miserable pony mountain.

>>47715052
She can actually...auto hit trumps auto miss

anyway ECR made it even better for facilitating assassination via flying headbutt

>>47715101
the shit cygnar is getting is truly absurd

>>47715182

This is Vayl2, who must actually hit her target.

>http://conflictchamber.com
Can't add Soulless Escorts to House Ellowuyr Swordsmen

>>47715182
The issue is that it's going to be way out of her RNG, even if you brought a bolt thrower for 12" oraculi shenanigans, but you're not bringing it to be an arc node, you'd be bringing it for extreme flanking maneuvers.

>>47715002
I'm not 100% on the double hellmouth, but mostly because no one has really played it yet to see if 1 or 2 is enough.

I'm not sure if 2 forsaken is needed, but I'm not sure what you would trade it for.

>>47715211
ahhh my mistake

>>47715002
i don't think Vayl2 really does much for the helmouth. vayl1 though sure does.

How are Sword Knights in 3E? I still have a unit of them and I wanna use them again.

>>47715422

They can DEF skew pretty hard, and more jacks in play means more Flank.

>>47715429
Ahh nice, they kept flank you say! Yea 3E is Jack edition, so this should be nice.

>>47715455
why would they ever lose flank

>>47715464
I as thinking maybe they got back Rapid Strike.

First for Carnage was pMakeda's best spell anyway and she still has it, along with a 4" template she can drop on infantry. And infantry on the charge actually hit harder with her now because they go the same distance as with Savagery, but get an extra dice on top now. The main annoyance is losing Press Forward stacking with Savagery, but +2SPD is already enough to win you most charge battles since premeasuring is a thing now. Nihilators threat 13" which is more than most factions can muster. Then when your MAT9 PS12+3d6 Nihilators clear the first wave, they have +2DEF against ranged and magic attacks. Doesn't seem THAT bad. Subjugation of Will is her only spell that looks outright bad, besides her feat of course. All Makeda variants also still retain the ability to cleave through models with Molik Karn, although assassinations are out of the whole fucking question now. You can't 11" advance your way in so have to charge, which now means forcing because Enrage got nerfed, which means 1 less attack on top of already going down from 5 to 4 fury. Fuck man.

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>capacitor discharge
Just... what? What is this? Why?

>>47715419

I'm open to suggestions, or discussion if you'd like to post your own take. It's a brave new world of listbuilding n' all.

>>47712829
Has he also banned warcasters using Bonded weapons? Because if not he's a super retard and needs to be punched in the dick.

>>47715566
Plasma Nimbus (and Capacitor) appears to be boostable now. But Direct Current doesn't.

>>47715566
His Servitors make it effective POW12, so it can put a few points on some heavies, might save you an attack here and there. It also makes it effectively impossible to Tough, because if you tough the initial hit you then take d3 POW12s to the face and die anyway.

>>47715663

If your colossal is punching Tough infantry then I think it's a victory for the opponent.

>>47715629
Plasma Nimbus doesn't usually occur during your activation, which is required (in mk2) to boost.

>>47715730
It's a thing that happens. It also won't have to kill more than one or two of them anyway because Plasma Nimbus will just fucking kill most infantry that get uppity about punching it.

>>47715613
I don't see the point of running Iron Kingdoms and banning anything. Isn't the whole point that everything is a broken unbalanced mess?

>>47715613
No one is making one, and the DM has discussed not allowing them but recognizes they are kind of integral and just said that if someone does make a warcaster, then that's something they'd deal with when we got there.

>>47715566
>>47715663
It also means it's one of the nastiest attacks in the game to punch a warnoun with.

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Thoughts on my first draft?

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Kodiak poops clouds in front of Karchev. Sylys upkeeps Road To War for him. Mechaniks heal any ranged damage he takes/are targets for Eruption if he needs more clouds.

Widowmakers and Behemoth shoot squishy thing to proc Road To War.

Field guns shoot heavies to mess with focus/fury and make charges fun.

>>47715863
>> sees a sloan list
>> doesnt see even a single hunter in it
>>sees multiple heavy jacks on a caster i thought i was about jack spam
>>pleasantly surprised but still thinks that list will get its shit slapped

>>47715863
Switch Defender for Dynamo or Thunderhead. Sloan needs either multishot jacks or a lot of small ones.

What's the point of 2 captains?

>>47714760
Added.

>>47715266
>>47715002
>>47715863

What OS/browser are you using, if you don't mind me asking? I'm not seeing the save-as-image clipping the bottom of the image on the stuff I test on (which is mostly Chrome and Firefox for Windows and Linux).

Legion Army - 75 / 75 (+28) points

Thagrosh, Prophet of Everblight [+28]
- Typhon [24]
- Scythean [18]
- Carnivean [19]
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15]
- Warspear Chieftan [5]
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15]
- Warspear Chieftan [5]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]


thoughts? Thinking of getting back into MK3 since i haven't played in a year and a half. Always wanted to try Thags with double warspears, but I know they've kind of been nerfed.

>>47716138

Firefox on Windows 10

>>47715781
There is no point, but if he's going to be a retard and ban stuff he should at least be consistent in his mental deficiency.

>>47715916
I'd upgrade 1 or both juggies to kodiaks for big cloudwall or take 3 berserkers insted. Between Karchev, Behemoth and Beast you already have enough melee to kill heavies, juggies will be underfocused damage sponges at this point.
I don't think Wyshnalyr is worth it unless you're actively casting stuff.

>>47716243
Thats good point on the kodiaks.
Honestly was focussing on stuff I own, but I like that idea so I'll probably upgrade them at some point down the line

>>47716126
Shadow Fire to clear LOS to their caster.

>>47716018
What do you think could be improved?

>>47713071
that ain't no warhound son.

please take your bait and go.

I wonder if Khador got skornergy in the form of Kovnik Joe and Irusk. Both of these models have Battle Plans, and a unit can only be affected by one Battle Plan per turn. I'm not sure if that means one on each card, or one altogether in the presence of various Battle Plans.

>>47716406
Since Khador isn't all about Winter Guard anymore, it should be fine for Irusk to throw his plans on Black Dragons or Doom Reavers or something.

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>>47712477

I asked this in the last thread and got a lot of helpful responses but none were the answer I was looking for:

Is there anywhere online I can look at the Mark 2 theme lists for casters that weren't covered in the faction books?
I'm looking specifically for Intercessor Kreoss and Servath Reznik Wrath of Ages. I'm aware that any Mk II theme lists are going to be illegitimate day after tomorrow, but I still want the lists.
Can anyone help me out please?

>>47715863
Ok lets be real, you need at least like 2 or 3 Hunters in a Sloan list. Their damage output from range is equal or better than a Defender against most relevant targets.

>>47716406

having options is not the same thing as skornergy, why is that so difficult for people to understand?

>>47716406
>skornergy
In mk3 it's called having options.

>>47715863
Sloan is one place where a Journeyman might be a legitimately bad idea, unless you're bringing a Stormwall. The entire idea behind her is you should be able to ventilate the main threats to your heavies at range.

>>47716436
http://aeyrulon.blogspot.ca/2012_10_01_archive.html

>>47716366
i mean as i see it sloan is a gimicky bs assassination caster and thats how i would play her. I would drop both the captains the defender and one grenadier and run 3 hunters and find 2 pts... but like i said i dont know if that is a fun list

>>47716366
1 is probably enough for that,

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>>47716431
>>47716463
>>47716467
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>>47716446
>>47716490
Hmmm, I can nix the two of them (the Journeyman and his Jack) to net 12 points.

>>47716505
Perhaps.

Here's another draft, basically taking what you guys said into account.

>>47716503
>>47716366
id also look to get a sentinel or possibly triumph in her battlegroup as appose to the jwc like >>47716490 said... just for the shield guard and spell efficiency

>>47716500

Quick, helpful, easy, and exactly what I'm looking for?
Are we still on /tg/?
Much appreciated, anon. Thank you.

>>47715566
The only thing I can see is that servitor and harm with backlash up means that two punches to a colossal could be anywhere from 4-8 backlash hits on a caster.

Still one of the worst colossal rules in the game.

>>47715916
I have a list that's pretty similar to yours. I didn't go with the field guns, they seem like an interesting combination. Here's what I went with.

Khador Army - 75 / 75 (+30) points

Karchev the Terrible [+30]
- Behemoth [24]
- Juggernaut [12]
- Juggernaut [12]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
- Kodiak [13]
- Torch [18]
Widowmaker Scouts [8]
Battle Mechaniks (min) [3]
Koldun Lord [4]
Greylord Ternion [7]

>>47715847
funny, i'd think a boosted pow 21+ would be that :P

>>47716193
needs more blight bringer.

the spears nerf is not even worth mentioning considering their main target is heavies.

>>47716570
u have to have shield guard in some form id think either sentinel or triumph... im not a fan of thunderhead

>>47716665
And sustained attack is much better on an enemy caster over the d3 hits. And the axiom can spawn the servitors as well, so the Conflux can't even lay claim to boosting electrical models

>>47716637
I do agree with an earlier guy thought that sylys might not be doing a ton.

He'll give an extra point of focus to let someone get a buy in, but for 4 points a marksman or field gun might be a better choice.

>>47715578
i might. vayl2 is pretty low on my priority list though. i've been posting a buch of legion lists today and have been focusing a lot on khador the past few.

There been any more main rule book spoilers?

>>47715663
dice minus six minimum on heavies is nothing to get excited about. buying those 21 attacks is what will do it.

>>47716303
Another option would be to downgrade juggies to marauders. They have same survivability, with only 1 focus available will deal about the same damage, but also will slam stuff around.
And those 4 points is another solo.

So isn't L&L going in full bore right now? Where are the book scans? Where's the announcement livestream?

>>47713765
Cygnar Army - 75 / 75 (+27) points

Captain Allister Caine [+27]
- Ace [12]
- Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator [4]
- Gallant [17]
Black 13th Strike Force [10]
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution [6]
Greygore Boomhowler & Co. (max) [17]
Alexia Ciannor & the Risen [10]
- Thrall Warrior
Horgenhold Forge Guard (max) [16]
- Captain Jonas Murdoch [4]
Captain Maxwell Finn [6]

Or similar. Trading the Forgeguard/Murdoch/Finn out for Stormblades/UA/Stormgunners/Captain.

His lists won't really change but they'll be more bullshit now.

>>47716739
All tomorrow.

>>47716762

Oh ok cool thanks

>>47716739
L&L is pure mk2 until Iron Gauntlet ends. mk3 play starts with the keynote tomorrow night.

How do you share the conflict chamber lists? Im on a phone

Khador Army - 75 / 75 (+29) points

Kommander Sorscha [+29]
- Beast 09 [21]
- Marauder [10]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Dirty Meg [3]
- Talon [7]
Widowmaker Scouts [8]
Winter Guard Field Gun Crew [4]
Winter Guard Mortar Crew [5]
Kossite Woodsmen (min) [7]
Widowmaker Marksman [4]
Kell Bailoch [5]
Eiryss, Angel of Retribution [6]
Black Dragons (min) [10]
Kayazy Eliminators [5]
Alten Ashley [5]

>>47716869
Either copy to clipboard or screenshot it

>>47716869
beside the print icon to the left is save as image and to the right is copy to clipboard

Figured now is a good time to get back into WMH with the new edition coming.

How's a Fiona look? I haven't seen what's changed.

>>47716884
what are the kossites there to do exactly

does meg really run a talon well? i've seen that around online but have never tried it, though i get the point is even more stationary

>>47716500
If that's from 2012, then it won't have Reznik2 (Vengeance, 2014).

>>47716884
>>47716886
Whatever, be defficult stupid phone.
Heres the scaverous list I'm going to drop in mkiii
Scaverous
DJ
Nightwretch
BLT
Darragh Wraith
Skarlock
Bane knights
Bane knights
Bane knights

>>47717055
He updated it. So it had things like Calandra's EE tier.

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>>47717007

>>47717052
Kossites get Prowl triggered from fog of war. And if vs a low armor caster, the new power field mechanic is very advantageous to death by paper cut. Have those guys for barely more than a point each ambush in on feat turn and strip focus or put some damage on to ensure a kill. Or if feating for attrition, they come in and wipe out support.

Meg gives the talon pathfinder and reposition, which are both huge for it. And then double stationary with sorscha having shatter.

>>47717127
repo is a great point. I was thinking the talon would be in a bad spot after it stationaried something, but if it can just walk away, yeah.

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What do people think of Kryssa? Trying to put together a potential list for her.

Legion Army - 75 / 75 (+31) points

Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31]
- Scythean [18]
- Blightbringer [38]
Blighted Nyss Swordsmen (max) [15]
- Blighted Nyss Swordsman Abbot & Champion [6]
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15]
- Warspear Chieftan [5]
Strider Deathstalker [4]
Strider Deathstalker [4]
Blighted Nyss Shepherd [1]

>>47716869

"Save as image" and "Copy to clipboard" (icons on the menu below the list) both work on Android (although, honestly, it's not a big target platform because, well, War Room is a thing). Haven't tested it on iOS because I don't own an iOS device.

>>47717052
Meg can make a jack stationary at range and can repair Merc jacks. She's also only 3 points. Her drive, in the context of MK3 drives, is solid. Pathfinder + reposition.

The key is the JM bonuses. One of them makes a jack charge and gives it +2 to hit. So that Talon is now MAT 8 on the charge attack which will be the spear.

If it wasn't that useful then it wasn't that many points and the Talon can tangle up part of the enemies list. If Meg can avoid getting shot to death then she can also repair it.

DESU there may be other merc JMs worth taking in Khador but that's what Meg + Talon do in MK3.

>>47717440
Mat 10. Fucker has powerful charge.

>>47717089

Good shit, thanks.

First glance, doesn't look like she's changed much. Biggest thing is Cultists are actually usable.

Idk if they work the same as they did, but if I took a unit of Press Gangers as my cultists, I should be able to keep refreshing my potential free upkeeps, right. This also seems like good synergy with Alexia, right? Idk if she's any different.

I'm thinking Press Gangers, pAlexia, Galleon/Mule/other artillery Eeyris, maybe Long gunners and Kayazay since I read that contacts are gone.

Am I on the right track?

>>47717342
I'm not sold on the deathstalkers just because her feat boosts STR, not POW.

Posted this earlier:

Kryssa +31
-Scythean +18
-Angelius -17
-Seraph -14
-Raek -8
Beast Mistress -4
-Shredder -4
-Shredder -4
Forsaken x1 -4
Hellmouth x2 -12
Swordsmen + UA -21

BM package was mentioned to be questionable, but warrants testing.

>>47717635
though I will note the 5-point damage swing on feat turn is pretty clutch.

>>47717635
I admit the stalkers are there for some anti infantry over anything else, it just feels like I needed something to clear them.

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Just updated conflictchamber.com to display the short names for casters in the faction list and army list.

Also, how does this Cygnar list look?

>>47717925
Soulless Escorts can't be attached to Ellowuyr Swordsmen in Ret

Also, its Lys Healer - you have it currently as Lyr

How's this list look?

Khador Army - 75 / 75 (+28) points

(Vladimir 1) Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Prince [+28]
- Spriggan [19]
- Juggernaut [12]
- Juggernaut [12]
- War Dog [3]
Black Dragons (max) [17]
- Black Dragon Officer & Standard [4]
Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13]
Winter Guard Rifle Corps (max) [13]
- Winter Guard Rocketeer (3) [6]
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4]

I made sure to make the list with models I actually already have. Idea is to shove doom reavers and robots in their face and plink their infantry with super accurate S&P plus boosted via Joe shots. Since the rifles can combine, they can actually maybe even do damage against stuff with more armor now, too. Black dragons do iron fang stuff.

>>47717925

nice work, way easier to use now

>>47718032
Fixed, thanks for the report.

>>47718110
Downgrade spriggan to drago, invest points into winter guard mortar

Mortar with S&P pow 10 blast is going to be legit af

>>47717635
I mean not everything needs to benefit from the feat to be useful - DS's are always good in a list if you want to take advantage of their infantry mulching prowess, which might be useful in his list. The Scythean can clear infantry pretty well but since it's his only frontline beast, he may need it to take on a heavy target the swordsmen might not be able to get to. Dunno though, hard to say since I've obviously not played a game with Kryssa yet.

>>47718204
Ah, I don't actually have drago. I could change the iron fangs to the regular ones and cut the dog to get the mortar in, though. Does that sound decent?

>>47718353
I would never take iron fangs in mk3 without the kovnik, and at that point may as well go with great bears.

If you don't go with a full boat you should use black dragons.

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>>47717595

How does this look? Keep in mind that I haven't played in a few years.

Anyone manage to extract the art assets from War Room 2 for Captain Aiakos or Sovereign Durant yet?

>>47718943
Captain Aiakos. Nice. More piratey Cryx is awesome.

Do we know how day 1 masters went?

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Since the War Room 2 file size was around 300mb, I'm assuming that the card data is preinstalled and locked behind a paywall.

Would it be unreasonable to assume that some tech savvy anon, with enough time and patience, could crack the app and reveal all of its goodies from behind the paywall?

>>47719228

I read on the forums that full install was like 1.3 gigs or something

>>47719288
Yeesh, never mind on that then.

>>47719304

found it, ios which he says is biggest install but 1.4gigs

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?252502-War-Room-2-0&p=3557321&viewfull=1#post3557321

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Alright, this is my first try at a Circle list, how did I do?

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>>47719365

Fucking stupid.

I swear, PP is the best company I've ever seen....at not vetting their electronic vendors before whoring out their IP.

Tinkerhouse is a fucking joke, there is no reason for a card game install to be over 1 gig, I don't give a shit what he says.

I'd bet a paycheck after enough fury from PP/customers, suddenly 'they'll find a way'. That is to say, they'll fucking recognize how to do something they should have known from the get go.

Not really mad, just flabbergasted how piss poor PP handles its brand at times. Will S. or whatever the hell his name is a gamer trying to be a businessman and it shows.

>>47718152
Darius doesnt seem to be able to take attachments - looks like it thinks halfjacks are attachments

Conflict Chamber:
I don't think necrotechs come with free scrap thralls anymore. Can anyone else confirm?

>>47712477
Izzat a Blight Kraken?

>>47720258
no.
is hellmouth

>>47719585
Yeah, the design of that app is terrible. I'll be sticking with WHAC.
Hell, even if I had to pay for it, I'd prefer whac over warroom

What faction do I pick to be a special snowflake?

>>47720566
Farrow.

>>47720566
ultramarines

>>47720566
Skorne

In order to have a whac with Mk3 rules u could help here http://schlaf.github.io/whac_online/whac_editor.html update the databse for mk3.

You pick a model to edit. Then you search a for a spell/ability already om the db. If it's not there u add it. Then you click and "copy" button and paste it. If it's ready u pick Mk3 done!

>>47720566

Skorne. Then for bonus snowflake points play Makeda1 rhinodon spam

>>47719585

Tinker made the app in unity, so it's relatively a bloated mess.

>>47720788
Yeah, this is the part that makes no sense to me. Unity is cool, but it's for making games, not database apps. Using a game engine to build something like war room seems incredibly stupid and lazy

Rolled 1 (1d3)

1. Cygnar
2. Menoth
3. Cryx

>>47720853
Congratulations. If you're picking a faction, that might be the luckiest roll you make.

>>47720950
Why's that? Still might not even go with it because I think the Menoth models look really cool.

>>47720976

insane amount of buffs, and the only nerfs came down on Haley2 but shes still super good

>>47718152
Really digging the new caster/lock naming format. Both number and title that way looks cool and helps pick the one you want more quickly

>>47721009
How are Menoth?

>>47721035

menoth have done pretty well in mk3 as well by a first glance, i don't think you'd be unhappy with them

>>47721035
heretical as fuck

>>47716691
How about Ragman instead of Sylys?

>>47721035
They copped quite a few nerfs but don't completely suck.

Shit, going over it, they really lost a bit.

Choir lost attack buff
Monolith bearer minifeat is worse
Bastions lost 3 boxes each, which hurts them a lot
Vassal lost ancillary attack
Reckoner lost assault
Errants got changed for what feels like the worse
eKreoss lost his AP

At least the redeemer fires massive missile barrages.

>>47721361

Paladins of the Wall got a very nice buff in Shield Guard and the new Darmon upgrade for them.

>>47721375
Huh. That they did, I missed that.

>>47721402

Yeah, they are now a really cheap (Relatively speaking) protection piece for your fragile stuff. Hunters are not going to do much through the +5 arm after halving.

It's nice that they now actually do some protection of others, not just themselves.

>>47721375

Where did they gain shield guard?

I don't see it on their card.

>>47721716
>>47721375
Vilmonster has Shield Guard, but the rest don't

>>47721795

I thought so. Paladins having Shield Guard would have actually made them good.

>>47721825
They're pretty good anyway

So no one has the book yet?

>>47722354
Pre-release stuff is still a couple hours away at the earliest.

>>47721361
So they suck just not completely? That's not very reassuring.

>>47720816
One part style over substance (we want it to look purrrrty) and one part laziness (we want cross-platform without doing any real work).

>>47722535
and the worst part is, they then artificially restrict the platforms it's available on... there's no reason not to have a Unity app run on OS X and Windows as well.

>>47722434
The other guy is naysaying a lot, Mk3 changes are a salt mine for people who only want a handful of changes they think need done, and not much that other people think need doing.

Mk3 is launching with a full rebalance across the board, with everything being nerfed or buffed respectively, re-costed and most important given specific roles so there's less direct competition with choices. This is going to be one of the most balanced times to get into the game, and all factions are going to be relatively equal once you get past the learning hurdle.

>>47718503
Anything?

>>47722592
Seems decent for the mk2 meta, but we he amount of warjacks and warbeasts we might be seeing in the new edition I think it might struggle a bit.

>>47722623

So what would be a good way to go with Fiona, then? More jacks?

>>47722434

Eh, he's underselling it.

Almost every faction lost some stuff. Menoth was hit way less than some factions.

For starters, all of Menoths casters got better except 3. Harbinger got a Nerf that we all knew was coming and it was mostly to her feat. It makes her play different but doesn't make her bad. Kreoss2 is essentially the same except his weapon (which nobody really ever used anyway) lost armor piercing. Feora2 lost Ignite which sucks but I don't know how much it will effect her game. Also, quite a few of the jacks got better in the transition. The Guardian is a beast now (reach P+S18 spear, fuck yeah). Most of our character jacks are real solid now as well.

Everyone else got better or are about the same. Some of them got really good too.

The Protectorates Jack game took a hit but every faction gained the extra focus allocation so it's mitigated slightly. Also, quite a few of the jacks got better in the transition. The Guardian is a beast now (reach P+S18 spear, fuck yeah). Most of our character jacks are real solid now as well.
Menoth infantry lost a little bit of their staying power but stuff like Cleansers and CInnerators got more appealing. Knights Exemplar with their new UA got fucking beastly.

I feel like Menoth has more raw dmg output now but less accuracy and annoying shit which kind of sucks (I got into Menoth because I love annoying shit) but they are by no means going to be bad. They however are not Cygnar and Khador who feel like they got some really nice stuff. They also aren't Skorne who seem to have done something wrong and are being punished by PP for being the worst faction of the last edition.

>>47718204
drago is frankly bad with vlad because getting his DEF anywhere to make poltergeist useful won't happen, and he's ultimately pretty ineffective with just 1" melee. drago is only worth it with a superiority caster.

>>47720976
cyngar is clearly PP's pet faction this go around. mk3 is age of cygnar after all

>>47722700
Harry no longer has a 20" time walk and easy 2 rounds of scenario scoring against armies daring to take infantry. Shockingly PP discovered that was bad for the game. I say shockingly because their track record on knowing what is vs isn't broken is pretty terrible.

>>47722851

I did say we knew it was coming.

I still wish they would have just changed her feat entirely to have less impact but still be 20" range though.

Harbys new feat feels entirely pointless. I can't think of a reason to use it now. You might as well just have her Arc spells and hang back allocating focus all game.

>>47722973
You can still use it to deny a scenario zone or flag if you time it right, which can be pretty significant

>>47722992

I guess. It still puts her into a really unsafe position I would rather she not be in though.

Daily reminder: CoC is not a real faction

>>47722700
>>47722988
Hats unfortunate the Harbinger is one of the cooler looking models.

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>>47722700

Let's see, Trolls, ignoring casters:

Beasts:
Mulg: Worse
Rok: Better/same
Bomber: Better(?)
Blitzer: Better(?)
Dozer: Better
Mauler: Same/cheaper
EBDT: Worse
Glacial King: Worse relatively speaking
MK: Better/Same relatively speaking
All light Troll beasts: Worse

Infantry:
Kriels: Worse, much more so
Fenns: Probably the same, maybe worse
Champs: Worse
Warders: Better after Mk2 Nerf
Pyg Burrowers: Hit the hardest of infantry, hot garbage
Bushwackers: Same
Highwaymen: Worse
Krielstone: Same, although probably worse when considering points
Longriders: Same
Runeshapers: Worse
Scattergunners: Same
Fireeaters: Same
Scouts: Probably the same
Sons of Bragg: Worse

Solos
Janissa: Garbage now
Braylen: Same
Fellcaller: Same
Kithkar: Slightly worse
Champ Hero: Slightly better but worse synergy
Horgle: I don't see him ever played now
Horthol: Same
Skinner: Still garbage (But hey he got Weapon Master now Soles, derp derp)
Stone Scribe: Same
Sorcerer: Better

Warwagon: Maybe better, still won't be played due to opportunity cost of heavies

>>47722700
You seem to know what you're talking about so I will ask you this. I plan on going to my local game store today after I get off work and pre ordering the Mk3 Menoth Battle Box. I don't want to walk out of their empty handed though I'd like to get started on collecting these things so are there any models you would recommend getting in the mean time? Should I just get a Mk2 Battle Box?

>>47723151

Continuing on, Casters:

Madrak 1: Worse
Madrak 2: He'll have an errata but he's awesome right now
Borka 1: Better
Borka 2: Still trash and boring. Way to go PP.
Calandra: Better
Grim 1: Worse
Grim 2: Same
Doomy 1: Better
Doomy 2: Maybe better, probably not due to Refuge/Mulg hit
Doomy 3: Worse
Gunnbjorn: Better
Grissel 1: Probably same overall, jack heavy meta probably worse
Grissel 2: Probaby same overall
Jarl: Who cares

>>47723166
Not that guy, but I played Menoth for years in Mk2. pKreoss is, and until changed, always will be good. Menoth in Mk3 got a hit to its overall accuracy, but nearly anything in faction can hit DEF 5 at Range.

With the addition of Grievous Wounds affecting all types, not just living, a Pop-N-Drop list should still be perfectly viable and an excellent and easy to pilot list.

>>47723189
Oh, and in case you aren't aware, pKreoss is the Mk2 battlebox caster. Just to be clear.

so how fucked are infantry this edition?

>>47723166

Well, Kreoss1 is still going to be good, that's for sure. The rest of the stuff in the MK1 Battle Box will still be relevant.

As for MK3, I am not sure I can accurately predict what is going to be good but, odds are you still want to buy a Choir.

I still think Exemplar Errants will be good despite everyone crying about them being terrible (hint: they aren't). So Errants+UA and probably the Errant Solo are still going to be good. Rhupert too for that matter now that he can give our Jacks pathfinder he is cash money,

A Heirophant will probably be solid still.

I wish the Indicter/Guardian box was out already, I would suggest getting one of those. Otherwise, a Redeemer is always solid for light jacks and either of the heavy kits is fine. I suggest learning how to magnetize arms though, it's really useful to let your heavies be modular.

Really, besides that, I would just say pick up a caster you think seems cool. Odds are they will be decent once you learn how they work.

>>47723242
Not fucked, but may not be as much infantry spam as mk2 with the buffs to jacks and focus

>>47723151
>>47723177

And yet, they will still be better than Skorne.

>>47723242

I figure we will be back to infantry machine by the end of the year and bitching about how we now have MORE jack points we have to fill.

>>47723266
What is UA?

>>47723607
Unit Attachment. Typically the officer+standard.

>>47723242
I figure even with the changes to bane knights, their still Cryx's best answer to armor

>>47718943
Doesn't look like there are art assets for Captain Aiakos yet. Some of the other new stuff has art assets, will post a few new (to me, at least) things shortly.

>>47723151
>All light Troll beasts: Worse
The Swamp Troll got Pull instead of Drag on his ranged weapon, Dual Attack and RAT 6 and you think he got worse?

Also, the Bouncer got better (though we still don't really have any reason to take him).

Slag also arguably got better since his animus is LITERALLY worthless, but his fists gained Erosion.

what do you think is the most hated faction

>>47723869
Whats the new slag animus, I assume it doesnt give him dark shroud

>>47723731
I wonder what kind of spell list Aiakos will have. Keeping escort and deathbrinngers would be cool

Anyone have good printable copies of the cards for Bane Witch Agathia, Tanith the Feral Song and Kryssa Conviction of Everblight? Me and some buddies are planning to play tonight before the key note and the decks I have are missing the new BB casters expect for Khador for some reason.

>>47723918
By the players or PP?

>Players
Cryx/Cygnar

>PP
Skorne

>>47723964
What does Cryx have now that others dont have?
I mean back in ye olde days of Prime 1, they were the kings of assassinations, but what about now?

>>47723964
>cygnar

I think you meant cryx/legion, so glad most of the shitters will be bailing now that we got toned down

>>47723964
As a skorne player I think PP just doesn't care about skorne.

It's also really obvious no one there actually plays the faction in any real capacity.

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>>47723151
Gonna' note on some things:
>Bomber: Better(?)
His animus is actually worth casting now and he has more health so he definitely got better (and a little cheaper to boot).

>Blitzer: Better(?)
He's cheaper with better rules, but I still don't know if he's going to see play.

>All light Troll beasts: Worse
With the exception of the Swamp and the Pyre... I guess your right. The Axer also honestly didn't get worse. He got a bit cheaper and lost 1 point of ARM that nobody really cared about.

Poor Impaler. At 11 points I don't think he'll ever see play again as long as the Bomber has Far Strike.

>Kriels: Worse, much more so
This is true and it makes me so sad. They got a tiny bit cheaper, but at SPD 5 MAT 5 with no way to self buff they just aren't worth anything. They even took away Steady on the UA and made the Caber border-line worthless.

>Highwaymen: Worse
They got DEF 13 in exchange for losing Camo (but then again, Camo was taken out of the game altogether). I don't see how they got worse. They are also slightly cheaper now.

>Runeshapers: Worse
How so? I'm honestly not seeing how they got worse. If you mean Trembler is bad, then I don't really agree. I think auto-knockdown is a good trade for being able to charge and make a Tremor attack.

> Scouts: Probably the same
They're a tiny bit better now that Prowl triggers on anything that grants concealment. I hope Assault doesn't run the risk of killing your own guys anymore.

>Kithkar: Slightly worse
Honestly don't agree. I feel his Veteran Leader ability makes up for his nerfs.

>Horgle: I don't see him ever played now
Yeah, now that he can't pass out animi I have NO reason to run him.

>>47723964
>>47724000
PP does not have Skorne
They just wrote themselves into a corner by first trying to embrace the memetic skornergy and then realize that fuck this is never going to work

>>47723933
>Whats the new slag animus, I assume it doesnt give him dark shroud
It's RNG self, costs 1 and gives the spellcaster immunity:Corrosion and auto corrosion on it's melee weapons. I can't imagine why PP thought this was an okay animus. It doesn't even have the +2 damage anymore.

>>47723151
>>47723177
pretty good analysis

doomy1 is only better if you dont consider him losing his theme force... if you compare doomy1 mk3 to doomy1 with theme doomy mk3 is shit
i think both grims are better now and madrak2 is possibly the most broken thing in the game right now
also remember this guy is ignoring casters when he ranked all light beasts as worse, but he still has (correctly) calandra as better so theres still hope for your axer (also generally i think axer and pyre arent worse)

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>>47723731

Hej guys. I've been a bit out of the loop for a while. I downloaded the leaks a few weeks back and then didn't bother with news anymore.

Now I played a PG yesterday and he hinted and some new units that are in the new books but haven't been leaked, yet (UA for his skorne I think). When I asked him about my mercs, he said he didn't know as he only got the hordes book(s).

Anyone know anything about this?

>>47723964
why do people hate Cygnar

>>47724157
sour grapes

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>>47724142

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>>47724175

>>47724175
you know he has authority
he has the hat of shape

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God, fuck one minute delays posting images.

>>47724145
>>47724145
We know that there are models missing from the leaked cards.

For instance Helga has an elite cadre for a unit not in the leaks. We also saw a list of card names leaked and included a UA for karax.

There probably are some unreleased models for mercs, but I don't what they are.

>>47724145

real factions are getting 2 new models each in addition to the battlebox casters, not sure about mercs

>>47724232
how do skorne guns work
i have always wondered

>>47724252
Gas pressure.

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>>47724252

salt powered

>>47724258

thanks for all these anon

>>47724157
The game they played best in MKII was control and no one likes control in any TTG ever.

For good reason.

>>47724186
That the Exemplar CA?

Guess we can put the "no women in the Exemplars" argument to rest.

>>47723242
not very. there will be jack spam and then people remember that delivered WM infantry shred jacks with ease and then people will remember that light infantry is the counter to WM infantry and the whole rock paper scissor thing will be full circle.

>>47723670
small note its called a command attachment (ca) now

not that it matters but thats the term likely to be used on packaging, cards, books, warroom so using the old term may confuse newbs

>>47723994
Still tons of debuffs really.

>>47724157
Everyone else (save Khador, but they were bad) god moderate to heavy nerfs, while Cygnar gets mild nerf and mostly buffs. Cygnar gets sole main faction access to some of the cool new mercs.

On a meta level, the Cynar community is fucking toxic as shit, whines about everything, always finds something to bitch about when they get awesome releases, looks gift horses in the mouth, can never appreciate the good stuff they get. which is exhausting to deal with. "Cygnar mweh" is a meme because it's accurate.

>>47724333
Will they play the same in MK3?

>>47724201
those may not be released at launch. pig valkyries may be in the minions forces book. wouldn't be the first time a rule existed that didnt really apply to anything else that currently existed. like how lucants mk2 Iron Giants theme includes large based units but those never existed for coc in mk2

>>47724415
Im not sure, i think the strength of gunlines might actually tamp down on infantry so there might not be a paper to cover rock

>>47724466
A lot of control got toned down, but Cygnar's really got light slaps on the wrist for its control versus other factions (Menoth, Cryx) whose control got brained with nail bats.

Age of Cygnar as the mk3 moniker isn't meant to be ironic (even if its a tweak at GW). The leaks make it clear that its accurate.

>>47721171
I love ragman when using reach infantry, but with a couple of non-reach jacks? He's not actually doing much.

>>47724480
gunline strength is countered by terrain. in early mk2 people caved to gunliners whining about how terrain fucked them over, and thats how we got mostly irrelevant terrain. thankfully mk3's hard rules on terrain placement should prevent this from reoccurring, and anyone who plays a whiny gun line player should just laugh and add a wall template to the field every time they blubber about it being mean to their list.

>>47724157
Haley2, Stormwall, Haley2, Haley2.

>>47724499
I have never really gotten good use out of him. isn't there something about parking him behind a colossal to put the bubble in front of it?

>>47724452
uuuh what exactly was there to nerf about most cygnar faction stuff
like what, are you going to nerf cygnar units?

>>47724511
you forgot haley1.

>>47724502
Well terrain is an inconsistend vector. It really depends on having a good TO or something. You could potentially play on a board with no forests, for example

>>47724515
Sure, but why does a colossal really need +2 melee pow? If it's already there then it's wrecking shit.

With reach infantry though, he can carry a huge front and make them deadly as fuck. I've taken him with black dragon pikemen in mk2, suddenly you get a whole mess of guys that are P+S 15 with precision strike. Or some steelhead halberdiers, a dirt cheap jam unit that's now got dark shroud and can clear themselves.

>>47724452
>>47724484
Guess I won't pick Cygnar then. Don't want to be that guy that plays the OP shit.

>>47720303
What is WHAC?

>>47724539
demand that the terrain RAW be enforced, even in friendlies. i plan to.

>>47724502
mk3 doesn't have hard rules on terrain placement though

The organized play docs do, and not all games are organized play games

>>47724529
really it's true that cygnar needed and got a lot of improvements (trenchers for example). and they did legitimately tone down the storm wall
t
he unforgivable issue is claiming a general tone-down in power casters, and control and then not doing that to the haleys beyond a sensible change to temporal barrier, and then buffing ecaine. and then the changes to disruption and e-leaps. what a joke.

>>47724645
i thought it was going to be in the baseline rules. oh well. i only play scenario games and i consider it fair that every scenario game abides by those kind of rules. otherwise the gun line bullshit is alive and well, and that provides an inherent unfair advantage

>>47724656
yeah im not seeing those "unforgiveable" things in such drastic light
ill see what happens first

>>47724576

I really don't think cygnar will be hated on to the extent cryx/legion was, as long as you aren't playing the powerlists you shouldn't get grief

>>47724186
That's a cute exemplar.

8/10 would defile and seduce away from the light of Menoth.

>>47724626
We have been playing with the 2016 steam roller packet since the testers were given out, it really hasnt affected anything.

>>47724142
Who is this supposed to be?

>>47723869

>Counting on getting a slag troll into melee in a game where he doesn't have reach and we can premeasure

Ok Swamp Troll I'll give ya. Bouncer maybe same.

>>47724085

Thanks anon.

I disagree about Axer. He's literally the same except losing a point of ARM and will exist in a (probably) troop light/jack heavy environment. I think he's worse.

Pyre Animus self. Which means you are bringing him for two things; Fire immunity/Damage buff on your lock or a AOE 3. That's all he does.

>>47724812
spr portrait tharn wolf rider champion.png

Another update to conflictchamber.com:

Added an attachment button on the army list. Stuff that can host attachments now has a paperclip button near the delete button which brings up a list of stuff that can be attached, and if that list is exactly one option just automatically attaches it.

Also went through the list and stripped out the jack marshal ability from a bunch of stuff that lost it.

>>47724716
I guess its unforgivable in the context of other casters losing their ball busting feats but Cygnar still keeping theirs.

...but I don't care anymore. The game has one good year out of me left before it loses out to the other minis games out there. I don't have time to not have fun.

>>47724965

good addition, couple small things the box that pops up for warlock is low and puts the last couple entries out of view for me and the succubus isn't included on it but probably should be

>>47725089
that's mainly that i was getting at, yeah. the non-changes to cygnar control just show what's good for the goose isn't applied to the swan. i think people can legit say cygnar is the new PP pet where cryx used to be.

>>47724735
>implying cygnar wasnt hated in mk2 for haley and stormwall bullshit

frankly the best thing about mk3 is that years of cygnar list stagnation should be at an end

>>47725126
Succubus is on the list for everyone in Legion except the Twins (which is a bug), it's just at the bottom of the list because the list is sorted in type order before alpha.

Positioning of the attachment box is a work in progress...

>>47723999
The Cryx salt forum is hilarious, every single shitter there is a "longtime" Cryx/Legion player. How coincidental!

>>47725303
>it's just at the bottom of the list

hah okay that explains it

>>47725089
You do understand factions have different personalities right? Cygnar having powerful feats is part of their character, the same way Retribution have denial feats as part of their character.

That is part of the design space.

>>47725321
And skorne having bad and contradictory mechanics

>>47725303
And the Twins can take a Succubus.

Thought I had all of the warcaster units fixed, but they slipped through.

>>47720699
What spam is this?
>Need to know intesifies

>>47725321
everyone understands this its why skorne is shit

>>47725336

Twins have a rule specifically preventing them from taking attachments.

>>47725308
Cryx pales in conparison to the skorne forum aka the Salt Mines

>>47724593
>WHAC
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.schlaf.steam&hl=en


http://schlaf.github.io/whac_online/whac.html

>>47725371
I do feel genuinely bad for Skorne though. The eternally kicked puppy of Warmachine.

>>47725354
Well shit. Unfixed.

>>47725253

yeah but that was a couple powerlists versus the entire cryx and legion factions, and I specified to him as long as no powerlists

>>47725321
there's character and then there's good game design. you can have powerful feats but combo-ing that with powerful denial casters, low prices on many things, and improved infantry is good design how exactly?

>>47725308
it's mostly just Sanctjud really

i think there is some legit questioning when denny2's control feat is gutted and haley2 is basically unchanged from her most recent nerf, because nothing says "toned down" like 18" of forfeit move or action

>>47725420

Haley2 took a bunch of downgrades to her control/denial, so what are you complaining about exactly? Caine2 can't even shoot as many times on feat turn.

>>47725354
its dumb. maybe would make sense if they were a powerhouse caster. but theyre not

>>47725413
>the entire
lot of hyperbole here too.

>>47725347
Rhinodon are just godawful now. They took a weak beast and nerfed it further.

Vlad3 +27
-Sylys -4
-Ruin -17
-Rager -11
Fenris -9
Drakhun x2 -18
Markov -7
Kovnik Joe -4
Uhlans -20
Rifle Corps -13
-Rocketeers x3 -6


Thoughts?

>>47725441
different anon here and I haven't seen the cygnar leak. What changed with eHaley exactly?

>>47725321
What are you on about? More than 3/4ths of Ret's feats are dice fixers.

>>47725450

I meant the hating not the op-ness, sorry

>>47725473

Lost Dead Eye, Time Bomb doesn't stop charges, swapped Decel for Deflection, Domination went up to COST 4, and her Feat was further changed to only apply to models within the radius rather than catching the whole unit.

>>47725477
Never mind, I did the math and it's something like 60% dice fixers, 40% control.

They do need more casters though

>>47725546
wait
it still does have -2 SPD
SPD debuffs dont stop charges anymore?

>>47725569

Nope. Effect has to expressly say "can't charge" now.

>>47725546
I'd think the change of Decel for Deflect would be good, Cygnar generally has better DEF values and lower ARM, and shoring up poor ARM is worse than pushing good DEF higher.

Shame with Lucant - he got the other way around. Deflection is much worse than Decel for COC.

the general changes to -SPD not affecting charging are incredibly good for the game though. And something like Dominate, which can now affect character jacks, should be expensive as shit to cast.

That's a pretty big feat change but how many things won't be within 18"?

>>47725588
yeah, compare Crippling Grasp (-SPD, says nothing about charging) with The Withering feat (specifically affects charging too)

>>47725611

Lots. With Haley2's feat you usually want to pop early for scenario purposes and you relied on catching one or two dudes to fuck up whole units. It's still a powerful feat, but it has been significantly toned down.

>>47725635
Her feat also got changed to models/units.

>>47725647
No, enemy models

>>47725647
From models/units, I should say.

>>47725660
My bad.

Dunno if anyone has mentioned it yet, but at Lock N Load yesterday there was a model designer working on a Greylord Man-O-War solo. I'm guessing this is the new in-faction power booster source PP talked about awhile ago. Looks pretty dope too; imagine a Man-O-War with a Koldun Lord head, and an axe that looks like the love child of the Man-O-War Kovnik axe and the Greylord Rune Axes.

>>47725691
sweet!

>>47725321
I always found ret's feats to be universally bland and manipulate dice

>>47725824
that is because their units are INSANE

>>47725824
They do a lot of dice fuckary but also have denial feats or have denial dice fuckary.

>>47725946

FUCK YEAH SEAKING!

>>47725946
Great, now I need to start Trolls.

>>47725955
>>47725968
cheap as hell repair

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>>47724272
TRUTH. The whole faction is

>>47725978
splash attack?

>>47725968
>not solely cygnar

good