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Recruiting for an online, text-only Pathfinder game to be held over MapTool. The schedule will be decided on by the players, but the available time frames are:
Monday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Tuesday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Tuesday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Wednesday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Wednesday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Thursday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Thursday 10:00 P.M. GMT to Friday 11:30 A.M. GMT
Saturday 4:00 A.M. GMT to Saturday 10:00 A.M. GMT

This will be a combat-focused game (though not necessarily 100% combat-focused) wherein you invade Hell, battle legions of devils, and fight every unique devil on d20pfsrd.com. Asmodeus has gone missing, an extremely powerful angel has taken his place, and the angel has sent out a call challenging heroes to take the throne from him.

Two traits. 25 point buy. Roll for hit points or take the average, but you must decide beforehand. No Unchained rules. Third-party material (e.g. Dreamscarred Press) is looked upon leniently.

Characters are supposed to be CR 20 (yes, CR) and can be built from any combination of class levels, monster races (25 point buy applies, NOT the +4/+4/+2/+2/+0/–2 array), templates (e.g. Agile mythic template), mythic tiers, and PC/NPC wealth. CR must be calculated appropriately, exempting the point buy. Examples:
20th-level PC with 20th-level PC WBL = CR 20
15th-level PC with 15th-level PC WBL and mythic tier 10 = CR 20
16th-level PC with 16-level NPC WBL and mythic tier 10 = CR 20

Heavy optimization is encouraged. Dazing Spell is in, but Sacred Geometry is out.

Skype contact username:
argetlampuppeh

Sword and board Antipaladin poster here. Did some rethinking and this is what I've come up with now.

Antipaladin 5/Fighter 2
Feats:
Noble Scion of War
Power Attack
Weapon Focus
1B Cornugon Smash
2B Dazzling Display
Shatter Defenses

I'm considering another dip into Thug Rogue for the intimidate and sneak attack but I'm not sure I really wanna lose 3 levels of Antipaladin...

What are some oft-overlooked wondrous items for keeping yourself alive longer? (Let's put aside the "just kill the enemy faster with a better weapon haha" thing.)
I'm sure most of us here have bought a belt of constitution before, but what about items that cast Breath of Life on you should you hit 0 and other interesting gear? Any recommendations or items you like but don't see commonly?

>>47701306
Are you clued into the things you can do with Channel Smite or Fist of the Crusader if you have stamina?

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Tell me about White-Haired Witch, /pfg/. How good is it?

>>47701479

Pretty sure we aren't using stamina rules and if we are, no one has ever mentioned or used them.

I'm open to Channel Smite, it's just it costs 2 Touches, and it's wasted if I miss...

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>>47701486
This is a real white-haired witch.

>>47701526
They're good. Crusader's Fist is a bit better, but operates off crits, whereas Channel Smite has the chance to fail, but can be done whenever and for less feats.

Channel Smite's Stamina Trick lets you double your dice, effectively giving you parity with the touches you spent, but it's all still wasted if you miss.

Crusader's Fist though, its trick lets you make the dice from your Touch be multiplied by crits. Downside is it only works on unarmed, unless you spend the feat on Ascetic Style (or one of its follow ons) to be able to do it on monk weapons. Upside is you only need to spend the Touch AFTER you know you've hit (and thus threatened), and the stamina AFTER you've confirmed.

Might be a bit hefty of an order if you've already used a bunch of feats though.

>>47701486
>Tell me about
What is the best mask for it to wear?

>>47701674

Yea, I'm already dipping 2 levels into fighter so I can fit in Dazzling Display and Shatter Defenses. Since Shatter Defenses will make enemies flat-footed to me though, sneak attack through Thug is looking really tasty.

>>47701740
Can I ask why Dazzling Display when you could use the Shaken Cruelty? Is it a prereq for Shatter Defenses? I cant remember.

>>47701486
>>47701609
>white haired witch
>your hair doesn't have to be white

>>47701780

Dazzling is indeed a prereq for Shatter Defenses. Also for cruelties Sicken, Disease, Nauseated etc are more useful than Shaken.

Anon-san! Anon-san!

Please help me build a Pseudodragon cohort. Originally, I want him to be a paladin but there are 2 evil character in the party so that wouldn't fly...

>>47701967
Evil characters don't actually prevent flight in paladins.

>>47701976
They tend to provoke fight instead.

>>47701976
Ripping their wings off might prevent flight.

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What is the best level 1-6 spell for Dazing Spell that allows no spell resistance?

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>>47701250
>not playing a pretty princess
Some day. Some day!

Tell me how you built your princess, /pfg/.

>>47702089
Stone Fall is nice.

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>>47702119
>being a princess
>not having the master plan

>>47702119
Well the only real way was to get an Amazon nice and high, and then use the Dream Crown on her.

Then you stick her in the back row and watch the fireworks.

>>47702135
Stone Tell, you mean?

>>47702180
>>47702135
Stone Cell.

>>47702198
Stone Ball.

>>47701976
>>47701995
>>47702019
Yeah, what kind of evil character don't want to tear off a good dragon wings.

>>47702252
Someone with more than 8 INT and WIS?
You keep the evil shit down low so nobody sees your disgustingly soul-crushing betrayal coming.

>>47702276
This.
When you act like a saturday morning cartoon villain, you, the party, and the GM have *no* room to complain when after a few such acts someone in the party - probably someone who's just been fucked over or somewhat betrayed by the act - turns around and full attacks your flat-footed ass into a smoking fucking crater.

>>47702089
If you're talking most effective for delivering it with a high save DC, probably Acid Fog or Tar Pool/Obsidian Flow. If Resistance and Immunity are a serious concern, Aqueous Orb and Stone Call work well too. Honorable mention to Sonic Form, if you've got a free round to set up and want to stunlock someone in melee.

>>47702252
The best Evil characters make themselves indispensable to their friends. And they *make* these people their friends, just like the "one good scorpion" everyone knows in L5R.

The trick is that all those bad things you do are always FOR them, FOR their goals (even good ones), always in their (and yours of course, but you're a party; their gains are your gains) favor.

This adds a big fat layer of protection against those who aren't happy about what you do, makes what you do just that little bit more tolerable than it should to those not paladin-level-hardline, and sometimes you get them to help you out as well.

Evil people have things they love and care about. What makes them evil is that they're a lot less willing to hold back to do "nice things" for them!

>>47702119
i played a princess once

I sucked my DM's dick to get advanced firearms and claimed she stole a state of the art weapon from her techno-kingdom and ran away.

>>47702089
Greater Snapdragon Fireworks.

>>47702400
Literally?

>>47702439
>Greater Snapdragon Fireworks.
No such thing.

>>47702439
how else do you get favors from DMs?

>>47702449
You didn't see MTT?

>>47702474
I see no Greater Snapdragon Fireworks here.

Are the item decks necessary for adventure paths or optional?

>>47702500
Optional.

>>47702473
Friendship, generally.

>>47702511
>friendship
>with the DM

What?

>>47702540
You know this is a social hobby?

>>47702547
Shut up
No one here has any friends

>>47702572
I'm sorry to hear you're lonely, anon. Do you want to talk?

>>47702547
ahahahahah

Enough about evil-doer and flying. What class should my Pseudodragon be?

Just for reference, Pseudodragon stats are:
Str 7, Dex 15, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 12, Cha 10

I can give him +4,+4,+2,+2,+0,-2 adjustment due to being a monster with PC class.

His mental stat is probably too low for Arcane fullcaster. Maybe a Druid? Skinshaper Druid even? Dragon has that tendency to change shape and sleep with anything that move right?

>>47702598
I wouldn't recommend a druid unless you can get Dex to damage relatively easily. Your Wis won't be high enough to be a debuffer/crowd control, and your Str won't be enough to go melee. Maybe an agile AoMF. What sort of thing do you want to do with it? It'd make a decent buffer if you went druid or cleric, I suppose.

>>47702598
>cohorts

C A N C E R

>>47701250
So a level 1 NPC mercenary costs 3 sp a day, meaning my level 1 fighter can hire one for a year and a half right?If yes where are the stats for one?

>>47702659
His starting wealth should be enough to get Agile AoMF.

I kinda want the dragon to be the frontliner. My character is a Psychic, so he has all the control spell but lack the power to finish my enemy off.

So I guess, something that utilize DEX?
Urban Barbarian? Gunslinger? Swashbuckler? Unchained Rogue?

Actually... a Pistolero Dragon might be cool...

>>47701250
Is there a way to not need to eat, sleep or breath as a human without becoming undead?

>>47702734
Gunslinger and swashbuckler are terrible. UC rogue can be okay, but not spectacular and yours will be lower level, so I'd avoid it. I'd suggest urban barbarian or Stalker from PoW.

>>47701405
amulet of natural armour, belt of CON and DEX, off the top of my head.

Cloak of Resistance, clearly

>>47702744
mythic

>>47702744
Ring of sustenance removes the need to eat or drink. Iridescent spindle ioun stone removes the need for air. Lesser restoration can get rid of fatigue, which is the only mechanical penalty of not sleeping. So if you can get lesser restoration whenever you need it through spellcasting, wands, or items, then you're good. If you're a caster, you'll still need to rest, but not necessarily sleep, to recover spells. Depends on class.

>>47702798
Neat, thanks.

Maybe the Sipping Jacket as well, good way for the barbarian to stash a potion of Cure ____

>Female Human Fighter
>Was originally male, was betrayed by the party Wizard via a Gender-swap potion that temporarily reduced strength by -4
>(The wizard fucked up most of the rest of the party after)

So is that a better character idea? It removes the magical item involved and sets up two separate arcs.

>>47702957
>creepy rape potion with added sexism

Yeah great character idea.

>>47702973
Nice bait, I'll take that bait as you saying 'good idea'

>>47702989
yeah if you're trying to be 'that guy' its a great fucking plan.

>>47702957
Telling people your character is based on a meme on top of being one of the worst classes isn't generally great.

>>47702957

Grats, you are "that guy"

Did Psybomb's spreadsheet of favorite disciplines ever happen? Is it too late to vote?

>>47702957
To be fair, since you're apparently trying to hide your genderswap fetish, if you gave me that character, I would assume you were retarded instead of masturbating under the table. So I guess that's an improvement.

>>47703010
That was a joke

>>47703011
I don't see how its 'that guy' to do a unique character

The dragon's about to breath a shitload of fire on someone. In that moment, the hero shoves the jumps in front and protects them both within the cone's effect using his shield.

How does this SUPER BASIC trope happen in Pathfinder without 3pp?

>>47703107
He's a wizard and the shield is his emergency force sphere spell.

>>47703092
>Namefaf
>Calling anyone else retarded

>>47703095
You're literally basing your character of a creepy rape scenario and a sexist meme

and you don't see how you're being 'that guy'

>>47703107
Paladin feat to improve the nigga's save v dragon breath + running over to make sure they have the aura.
I guess?

>>47703155
>ad hominem irrelevant to the discussion
>acting like playing a fighter and memeing about -4 Str aren't retarded
Expected.

>>47703157
>gender change potion
>rape
>sexist meme aka a fucking joke
Seems like you're the 'that guy' here if you're not even able to laugh at something so silly.

>>47703157

>>47703179

Anonymous normally you don't laugh about something while your hand is underneath the table doing explicit things.

>>47703173
Calling out a retard on being a retard when they're a proven retard who's flaunted said retardation numerous times
>Not relevant
:^)

>>47703157
>creepy rape scenario and a sexist meme
Fuck off already. It's a stupid joke, sure, but that's all. Stop caring.

>>47703179
>wizard just randomly drops a -4 strength gender change potion on the male fighter
>no rape implied of course he just did it cause he's LOL RANDUMZ XD XDXD SPOONS

>>47702757
What about Kineticist? 19 DEX and 17 CON should be enough and size doesn't change Kinetic Blast damage.

>>47703207
That doesn't stop it from being true. It's an awful background. Just stay you put on a cursed belt without checking before hand, problem solved.

>>47703204
So is your inability to use greentext relevant to whether or not anyone else is retarded? Because it's pretty fucking obvious that you're an idiot. Whether or not I'm stupid has nothing to do with anyone else being stupid.

>>47703213
Where did it say the wizard was male, shitlord?

>>47703223
>kineticist
Oh lord please let this be a joke

>>47703107
Tower Shield = Total Cover

>>47703230
>implying only men can rape

WHOSE THE SHITLORD NOW

>>47703107
He had prepared an action to reposition his ally or you and the ally both have swap places and one of you has a move action prepared.

>>47703226
And say "he's" (maybe stick to that in fact) is hoping to find another one to right the little problem and get his bits back, and when he finds that wizard he's tying one around her neck.

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>>47701486
>>47701609
You're doing it wrong.

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>>47703276
I can't play bayonetta, I don't have that system. Though I'd like to try it one day.

>>47703246
He can't do that for an ally.

>>47703276

I have clearly been playing too much overwatch. My first thought was 'It's high noon'

>>47703306
>gunslingers will never be op like mccree

>>47703263
See? This guy gets it

>>47703319
>mccree
>OP
Git gud

>>47703319

...you know, has there ever been a Reflex-based Save or Die?

>>47703332
they're actually nerfing his fan the hammer i think

>>47703341
probably?

>>47703356
Hopefully after they nerf Mei's ability to grief their own fucking team.

>>47703341
Try breath weapons, they're generally Reflex-based and a bunch have riders.

>>47703230
Meh... that maximum 14 INT or CHA kinda suck... otherwise I would make him into Magus or Oracle.

I guess Barbarian is the best choice. CON will increase his poison-DC too.

>>47703372
but thats :3...


A-MEI-ZING

>>47703372
Do the breath weapon riders have mounted combat feats though?

>>47703390
I'd call it mei-docre.

>>47703263
Genderbent guy wanting to have his cock back?

That would probably be a first in the majority of media...

Anon will probably be told he's a wymyn-hater for it.

>>47703407
Well, metabreath feats do exist if you use 3.5e material.

>>47703413
There were all those rumors about Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner. And I'm sure a bunch of people who got Sorshen's body at least wanted their dicks back.

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>>47703276
Bayo is more like Hexcrafter Magus with Riven Hourglass.

>>47703438
>no nostrilpops
Casual. She needs more ranks in... Perform? Acrobatics?

>>47703455
Sleight of Hand to hide more stuff on her body.

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I'm sure there's only one white witch

>>47703413
>>47703427
>tmw me and another trans friend enjoy playing characters who're trying to get their dicks back

Not sure what this says about us, honestly. Most genderbender media is creepy af though so iunno.

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Glove of Throwing
Aura faint evocation; CL 3rd
Slot hands; Price 500 gp; Weight -

This glove can be enchanted as if they were a throwing weapon.
The Glove of Throwing grants its applicable enhancement bonus and special abilities to unenhanced masterwork thrown weapons that are thrown with with the hand that wears the glove. The enchantments dissipate after the attack resolves, unless a particular special ability lasts for longer; then the enchantments dissipate once the special ability ends.
The Glove of Throwing only takes up one hand; if desired, a second one can be worn with the other hand. If a thrown-weapon is two-handed, then only one set of enchantments can be used per attack.
Finally, if the wearer has the Quick Draw feat, they can draw a non-hidden thrown weapon even if it isn’t their turn.

CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS
Craft Wondrous Item, magic weapon or metaphysical weapon; Cost 250 gp

---

I also have other homebrew here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18O_7C6sM9xnxHsH-pUrV8uI97rLWgZPhCOQx7KwafCw/edit?pref=2&pli=1#heading=h.o2tleec5xf2m

I decided to say fuck it to being good in combat to instead have a fuck ton of skills. However I'm a 20 Cha summoner so I'm not too worried. Should I be?

>>47703517
>shilling for yourself

>>47703520
No you're a summoner

>>47703555
It's a skill eidolon. It even took a skill feat.

>>47703502
That one sex shift elixir is permanent and costs like 2,500 gp

>>47703566
You're a summoner.

>>47703545

Sorry, forgot to add "critique welcome"!

>>47703571
Sounds good.

>>47703488
Samson is separate creature, so tumor Alchemist.

>>47703592
Maybe you could suck the dm's dick and get your familiar to be a tumor familiar as a witch

>>47703570
Yeah so don't go selling holy swords like that one idiot!

>>47703611
Are you the same guy from earlier? If so, why are you obsessed with DM fellatio?

>>47703570
Yeah; the games where this is relevant tend to keep that in mind (either by being in systems or settings without such items, by being invoked by more powerful curses or magic, or by having pressing reasons to remain).

>>47703663
You'd THINK that, wouldn't you.

>>47701306

Any other thoughts on this?

>>47703672
Well, if it can be solved with an item, the plot and RP wouldn't exist at all, so it needs to be taken into account.

>>47703663
Do you mean different systems or campaigns?

>>47703704
Different systems, different settings (some without magic marts, some with higher-power magic in play like nasty curses), sometimes just reasons unique to the character.

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>>47703438
>>47703455
We did this months ago when the playtest for PoW:E was out, but I didn't save anything from it.

It was a Vigilante (Stalker) / White-haired Witch / Bladecaster that used Broken Blade maneuvers for hair attacks, or something like that.

Broken blade nerfs when?

>brawler with martial training and broken blade ohko our tank and gets 8 attacks as a full round

That shit was fucking insane.

>>47703703
Again. That's what one would think, right?

Unfortunately, it's dumber than you could have imagined.

To the current writers at Paizo who've dealt with all this shit, the goal, the very *reason for existence* of all things trans-anything (whether transgender, transfat, transformer, it doesn't matter) is "muh struggols".

It doesn't even come to mind that characters would ever just take the easy way out, because then, where would the problem be?

NAY. If they bought that potion, that woman would now just be a man, THE END. There would be no need for worry, no need to loathe oneself, no horrific discrimination in a land that... uh... just... a few paragraphs ago... was... explaining there's literally no such discrimination at all... what?

You wanna feel all them triggers and offendeds?
Crystal and friends think all any "trans" wants IS to be mocked and thrown rocks at, because otherwise their transition, and thus the only aspect of their life, would have no worth.


The potion is still there. You're just supposed to reject it as I don't fucking know.

>>47703759
>me
>using PoW
Nice try

>>47703760
Yeah I know. I've watched it and thought it was pretty bullshit.

I'm tired of Crystal and friends being our representation in the ttrpg industry.

Where are stats for a level 1 mercenary hireling?

>>47703760
Didn't Crystal design the elixir in the first place?

>>47703789
One level of something slapped onto a PC race. Probably a NPC class.

>>47703789
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/npcCodex/npc/warrior.html

>>47703570
Fuck that shit. You can intentionally craft cursed items, and they cost the same as an item of that slot. Belt of Tumbling costs 400gp to make. Intentionally make it a Cursed Belt of Gender Swap instead. It's an instantaneous effect, so taking it off doesn't change you back; you'd have to put a gender swap belt on again to change back. Infinite people can use this belt. For 400gp, you've cured dysphoria for everyone in travel range, forever.

Shelyn or someone should be bankrolling some holy order to take a bucket of belts on a ceremonial procession around Golarion, swapping anyone who asks for it. It should be SUCH a nonissue.

>>47703800
PROBABLY!

ten internets says it was in case your MtF accidentally gets turned into a woman, so you can turn back into a man to hate not being a woman again.

>>47703789
Specifics depend on the individual, but they'd be a 1st level warrior with 260 gp of equipment.

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>>47703789
>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/gameMasteryGuide/npcs/military.html#foot-soldier

>>47703822
You know, this makes me want to play a crafter who goes around making cursed items intentionally for the sake of selling whatever unintended benefits they may have.

>>47703822
B-but anon

What about the wannabe-herms?

>>47703789
If you need stats for that you're not cut out for DMing or having Leadership.

>>47703848
The Belt explicitly transforms you into the "opposite gender". Normally, this means male to female, or vice-versa. However, if you get a 1, it removes all gender from you entirely, making you an androgyne. Once that happens, slap another belt on, and become the opposite of an androgyne; a herm.

>>47703847
Dust of Sneezing and Choking is a fucking crazy strong weapon. Save versus 3d6 Con damage, and even if you save you're still automatically stunned for 5d4 rounds.

>>47703822
So to recover population really quickly after losing a war, an orc civilization would be able to use this to convert like 7/8s of the population to women?

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>>47703759
No fucking shit.
>over 200 damage on lvl 9 characters
>mfw

>>47703760
Because in the current climate most people that are loud and proud and shove their trans/disability/or some other bull shit, down your throat are doing it for attention and to be special, that is why they shove it in everyone's face and demand to be given special treatment. The louder and more obnoxious they are the more attention they get.
Sort of like the kids that act out for attention, very similar idea.
Thar is not to say all or even most people in those situations are like that, but I would say most the vocal ones are.

How to deal with losing movespeed from medium/heavy armor

>>47703875
Take your twelve foot cocks you pretend your love of "totally isn't gay because boobs" back to /d/ and "corruption of champions", anon.

>>47703760

I suppose there's something like "this doesn't exist in real life so something something," but if you were playing a character who is trans, in a universe where gender transitioning is instantaneous, perfect, and painless if you can pony up 2000 GP to an alchemist, why the fuck would you not do that the second you could?

>>47703878
It really is. The only trouble is getting someone who can use it without being self-sacrificial - you throw it into a cloud covering your position. I think constructs/undead are safe so a necromancer of some kind would be ideal.

>>47703917
I'm a lesbian, anon. I don't give a shit about herms, I was just pointing out that it's completely viable to become one with the Belt of Opposite Gender.

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>>47703911
What are you playing as?

>>47703911
The canonical Paizo™ solution is to be a dwarf or something else with the Slow and Steady racial trait. Having the problem forever and unsolvably is as good as having a real solution, apparently.

>>47703942
Pally

>>47703911
Use items to bump it back up.

>>47703945
Normally the answer would be to be a Dwarf, but that is a bad idea.

Mithral armor will help if it's medium armor

>>47703911
Obviously Fighter with Armor Training works. As a "niche protection" measure nobody else has that vanilla ass ability.

However:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/r-z/sash-of-the-war-champion

>>47703911
For Medium, Mithral.
Barring that, anything that gives you 10ft move speed just negated it, and that's USUALLY cheaper (build or GPwise) than anything that would negate the speed-down as an ability.

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>>47703517
>limited to non-magical, masterwork weapons thrown by the hand wearing the glove

A: Why is this not a pair of gloves at the outset? What would be the point of only wearing one, since the hand slot would be taken up anyways? A second glove with a separate set of enhancements would be both conflicting as fuck and nigh-impossible to reasonably censure mid-fight.
B: Why is this so inexpensive compared to other weapon-enhancement-granting items, such as AoMF? The entire point of items like AoMF is to grant weapon enhancement bonuses to normally non-enchantable weapons without breaking the game. Additionally, this item is a clear breach of normal costs, in that it does not limit the level of enhancement nor the number of special abilities that can be applied to the weapons being thrown, all at the same cost of 500gp (easily crafted by 2nd level for 250gp).
C: Why did you not even look at other similar items before considering the price?
D:
>quick draw + gloves lets you draw weapons for, say, AoOs
That's actually kind of neat.

>>47703875
Do curses not fall under the "intentionally fail a save" category?

For that matter, what does intentionally failing a save mean? Do you count the d20 as a 1? A 5? A 0?

>>47703917
TiTS is newer and better in most every way

>>47704046
Because the AoMF is overpriced shit, and throwing as a weapon style is absolute dogshit, and it could use a hand.

>>47704232
Okay, so what about A

>>47704257
Absolutely no idea famalam

>>47704046
>>47704232
Two throwing weapons is already, what, 600 gold for masterwork + 4k just for +1, then you probably want something like sharding so you don't have to worry about bothering with shit like blinkback or returning, which is going to mean if you're using TWF you have just spend 16600 gold for both weapons. All this is for a style that is vastly inferior to just grabbing a longbow.

>>47704093
You can automatically fail the save, yes, but you can't automatically roll a 1, so you'd have to try on a few belts until you found the one that made you sexless.

>>47704232
>>47704266
For that matter, why is AoMF so terribly priced?

I've always put it at the same as paying for an enhanced weapon thanks to the cost inversion on the SRD, so 2kgp for +1, etc...

>>47704308
Because the only people who use it are Monks, and natural attack druids. Monks are shit, and it's overpriced for what it actually gives.

Druids can just buff themselves.

>>47704281
That's... hm.

Statistically, you'd need 20 belts to achieve that, on average, plus one for the nat-1 moment.

Time to break out my player-saviour d20...

>>47704325
So it's about keeping the monk as low as possible, then?

Mathematically, it's worth one weapon, so doubling that price for no reason just doesn't make sense.

I think I'll maintain my stance in keeping it to the price scale of one magical weapon.

>>47704308
Because paizo logic states that you're getting "two weapons" both hands, maybe both your legs too enhanced with one item. No, that isn't a good reason for the price to be so obscene, especially with so many limitations.

The big kicker is that even though natural attackers make better use of it, it's /still way too expensive for what it does/

>>47704361
>Mathematically, it's worth one weapon

By RAW, no, it isn't. An AoMF, by RAW, costs double the price of a normal enchant, and can only reach +5 max ever.

The houserule you're saying that it costs as much as a normal magic weapon is 100% the way it should be.

>>47703911
My first item I bought using loot money I earned on my paladin with a +1 Mithral Breastplate.
I urge you to do the same.

>>47704397
He meant "mathematically" as in "how much this benefits you mechanically."

He agrees with you that it is overpriced.

>>47704377
Hence my conclusion >>47704361

My logic states that the body is one weapon, especially when you're talking about monks of the mystical-fightan sort.

I want to be able to put AoMF on a punch-guy who's got Hamatulatsu so he can keen + elemental burst his fists.

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>>47704474

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So how's /pfg's homebrew been going? Make any progress? Ever had it been used? Which one are you most proud of?

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I've gotten repeated requests to join a pathfinder game from my FLGS, and the DM actually reccomended I pick a type of caster class, weather whole, 2/3rds progression, or even 1/2.
I used to play 3.5 once upon a time, but it's been a while, and I've never actually looked at PF.
I actually really like caster classes, and have a question:
What's a Fun and not insanely complicated class I can join up on his game with?

I'm hopping in at 7th level, since I was busy with moving before now.

AFAIK there's no homebrew allowed, and unless someone has really good reason, he recommends they stick with the core 7 races Also 20 point buy, and the DM reccomended Inquisitor for a class, but I'm interested in /pfg/'s opinion, generals are usually cool.

>>47704598
>weather whole
What?

>>47704046
>>47704257

First of all, thank you very much for your feedback!

A: While I do want to reduce the overall cost of a throwing style, I do not want to make two-weapon throwers ungodly cheap compared to melee TWFing. By having it be individual gloves with an allowance built into the descriptive text, the price may approximate that of melee TWFing.
B: You still have to pay the cost of adding the enhancements onto the gloves, on top of getting a masterwork weapon per attack you want to make in a round... and that's assuming you just slap them both with Returning or Teleporting.
C) I probably should have, yeah.

Let's assume we're a dagger thrower and make a comparison to the Blinkback Belt.

Let's start with a BAB of 5 or under, with Rapid Shot (and TWFing):

Blinkback Belt: 5,000 gp
+1 Flaming Dagger: 8,002
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Dagger: 8,002
Total: 13,002 gp (21,004 gp w/ TWFing)

+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x2: 604
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x1: 302
Total:9,104 gp (17906 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up the weapons again

BAB >6 (with Improved TWFing), no item upgrades:
Blinkback Belt: 13,002 gp (21,004 gp w/ TWFing)

+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x3: 906
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x2: 604
Total: 9,406 gp (18,520 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up the weapons again

BAB >11 (with Greater TWFing), no item upgrades:
Blinkback Belt: 13,002 gp (21,004 gp w/ TWFing)

+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x4: 1,208 gp
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x3: 906
Total: 9708 gp (19,114 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up the weapons again

Comment too long, will continue next post!

Ok I have a character sheet I need opinions on:
http://pastebin.com/Jw58Tfen

How does it look? Did I miss anything with my gear?

>>47704046
>>47704257
>>47704622

Part 2!


BAB > 16 (with Greater TWFing), no item upgrades:
+1 Flaming Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x5: 1,510 gp
(if TWFing) +1 Frost Glove of Throwing: 8,500
Masterwork Dagger x3: 906
Total: 10,010 gp (19,416 gp w/ TWFing) + 302 gp per attack afterward without having to pick up daggers

I... hope this helps? I will have to review the pricing, at the very least... Thanks for your input!

D) Thank you!

>>47704617
whether, sorry.

>>47704598
Oh, and:
From what I know of PF like >>47704474
says, it's concentrated caster superiority, and yet I would be like the only caster in a party of essentially pure martials.
So I'm not really limited at all, because I wouldn't be playing something somebody else already is, no matter what.

>>47704518
I've got two games going on my homebrew campaign setting (plus a still-growing list of feat/item changes....)

So far they seem to be enjoyed by the players and the smaller game of two players is enjoying having mythic BS to keep their asses alive while I pound their faces in with difficult fights interspersed between really easy ones

>>47704664
If you'll be the only caster, you'll likely find yourself having to stretch fairly thin trying to fill as many roles as it's possible for a caster to fill, which is to say, everything that doesn't involve hitting things with a sword.

I would recommend a Wizard, Druid, or Cleric. Nothing too complicated, they can do pretty much whatever you want them to, and their flexibility and obscenely high optimization ceiling allows you to fit pretty much whatever role the party needs at any given time, so long as you have a bit of time to prepare for what's coming.

>>47704622
First
>teleporting
Dunno what that one is, but Returning is a +1 bonus, which at minimum is more expensive than a blinkback belt (8kgp for a +1 returning weapon vs. 5kgp for the belt).
So, efficiency-wise, there's no reason to not get the belt for this interaction. Expending masterwork thrown weapons like ammunition is exceedingly pricey for low-level characters.

Additionally, for characters under 6th level, the entry cost is above their WBL pay grade, and even at 7th level (by which point a TWF/Rapid Shot throwing build would be heavily invested in this setup) this eats a considerable majority of their average wealth, which isn't necessarily going to be all gold.

>>47704659
Overall, the price curve needs to be adjusted (as it's less a "curve" and more a "horizontal line").

I still like the non-action-quick-draw thing. This would go pretty well with the finesse style Marskman, I think. Maybe even volley style?

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What is the best way to beat acid or electricity resistance/immunity WITHOUT using any class features for it?

>>47704836
use fire or cold instead

>>47704801
I'm fairly certain i'd be the only major caster, at least.
The group is fairly PF savvy, so I think a couple might have 1/2 or 1/3rd spell progression.


I also just remembered that two people are joining around the same time, IDK what they'll go, but they'll probably get similar recommendations from the GM. Not the same classes, for sure, but to not go pure physical characters.

I heard PF nerfed druids to shit compared to 3.X, that true?

>>47704852
Not an option.

>>47704836
>>47704888
>resistance
Empowered/maximized/etc. to deal more. Most resistances cap out at 15 or 20 before swapping to immunity, so as long as you can put out 4x or 5x that amount you should be fine.

>immunity
>without class features
Good fuckin luck, son. Maybe there's some 3rd party for that?

>>47704872
>I heard PF nerfed druids to shit compared to 3.X, that true?

Not at all. They were nerfed in an attempt to keep them from outclassing the Fighter in every conceivable scenario (and there is some debate on whether or not they even succeeded at that), but the Druid is still an extremely solid Tier 1 class.

Do you know anything about the party's current composition at all?

>>47704915
Not particularly, kind of an oversight on my part, will probably find out and post it and ask once I talk to the guy again tomorrow or something.

>>47704818

Thank you for the feedback. As it is late, I'll take time to think about it and perhaps implement it another day.

By the way, here is Teleporting: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/equipment/psionic-items/psionic-weapons#TOC-Teleporting

It's like Returning, only slightly better!

>>47704939
Not a bad idea. Either way, if you're going to be the only major caster in the group, a prepared fullcaster can do pretty much whatever you want.

At level 10 with normal gold and magic items with no 3rd party shit except for PoW shit. Whats the most damage you can do with one single hit, im not talking about a ranger with rapid fire and shooting out 400 arrows in one turn. Im talking about a single hit.

>>47704836
It requires some class features to already be had, but Elemental Focus, or Solar Wind Style's third feat can get you through immunities.

Other than that you're fucked.

>>47704951
>teleports into the thrower's hand
>even if they're holding something

Accidentally-fused daggers when?

>>47704951
Don't forget combining Returning/Teleporting with http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/returning-throw-psionic

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>>47704988
FINAAL! FFUUUUUUUUUSION!

>>47704986

If it's literally only one hit, probably some nonsense with a Ranger/Slayer using Improved Vital Strike with Devastating Strike, Power Attack, Furious Focus, and a bigass weapon.

Or a lance charging build, those tend to have stupidly large singular hits.

>>47704836

I believe there was ammunition that lowered resistance by a bit every time someone was shot at, but I cannot remember the name. Best of luck!

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>>47705007
jfc anon that caught me so off-guard i'm laughing like an idiot

>>47704836
Use a different ability. Being overly reliant on targeting a single defense (like AC or Will saves) is a fatal character flaw, as is being entirely focused on energy damage.

>>47704986
Gestalt or no gestalt?

>>47705029
you expected GaoGaiGar didn't you

>>47705032
>Being overly reliant on targeting a single defense (like AC

I guess even initiators are fucked then.

>>47704986
My guess, with Path of War:
>Make a Rubato with your best twohand powerattack damage build
>Use Scarlet Throne's Ruby Zenith Strike for triple damage on single hit - x3
>Also use Mithral Current to set them up with silver vulnerability beforehand - x 1.5
>Also use Fortissimo to multiply by another x 1.5
>It now depends on how your GM rules stacking multiplications but this should be loadsadamage

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>>47705053
I didn't expect anything, desu.

>pic related it's me 'cause i'm fuckin dying laughing

>>47705041
no gestalt, i forgot to mention that.
>>47705017
Hmmm I thought PoW would give me some big damage numbers. Ill check this build out.
>>47705065
That's a lot of multipliers, Unless he says "Only highest applies" then I think this is a big contender, but vulnerability should stack perfectly.

>>47704986
>>47705065
Alternatively for 1pp there's mounted barbarian charge shenanigans but I don't really want to run the numbers to compare them

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which class makes a good space plague doctor?

>>47705103
Since Barbarians can't get Greater Rage by level 10, I don't see any harm in throwing in a level in Alchemist for a Mutagen, maybe a Wand of Bull's Strength before you start raging

>>47705119
>alchemist with Spacefinder feats/archetype

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>>47705119
The fuck

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>>47704852
>>47704910
>>47704987
>>47705022
>>47705032
Okay, then how do you CHANGE a spell's energy type completely?

>>47704836
Ask your GM if you can take Frostbite halo veil and change it to a different element instead of cold.

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So one of my players came to me with his new character pretty late and it should be pretty much sorted but he wants an "immortal" riding pig or as close to immortal as he can make it. Obviously it's going to be full cataphract mode but what are some interesting enchantments/spells that he could use to toughen up the pig?

He is level 4 might let him go to 5 because he is falling behind.

>>47705151
Buy a rod of elemental spell?
It's only a +1 so it's not even expensive.

>>47705151

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/elemental-spell-metamagic

>>47705178
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/eternal-cr-2

>>47705151
What >>47705188 said, though it's not a complete change-over.

>>47705143
I was thinking either some kind of fluffed up void wizard or an alchemist psychonaut/mindchemist

>>47705065

First you take the first multiplier, then add in the other multipliers reduced by one.

So in this case, it becomes: x [3 + (1.5 - 1) + (1.5 -1)] = x [3 + .5 + .5] = x4

You can bump it up to x5 if you are using a brace weapon readied against a charge.

>>47705065
The multipliers add.

So x3+x1.5+x1.5 = x1+2+.5+.5 = x4

>>47705188
>>47705200
>>47705213
>completely

>>47705263

"Benefit: Choose one energy type: acid, cold, electricity, or fire. You may replace a spell’s normal damage with that energy type or split the spell’s damage, so that half is of that energy type and half is of its normal type."

Seems pretty clear cut to me. You get the choice of either complete replacement or half-replacement.

>>47702119
I'm playing Ameiko's little sister in Jade Regent.
Literally a japanese princess.

>>47705203
Huh that's pretty damn immortal thanks. I might use this as some kind of hook for him later on but for starters I'll look for something a bit tamer.

>>47702177
I recognized this and now I feel really really old.

>>47705263
Yes and?

Is a Dervish Dancing Druid a good idea? They are proficient with the Scimitar after all

>>47704986
My advice is to follow >>47705065
but make it mounted with spirited charge, and martial charge. add iron knuckle from broken blade and add lances to the discipline weapons for 4d6 more (that I believe is multiplied by zenith and everything?)

Adding multipliers works by adding the initial "x1" only once. So a crit lance charge is a x3 for x2 crit + x(2-1) charge. In total that'd be x3+x2+x.5+.5=x6

so 6 x (1d8+16+4d6 from boost +2d6 from choice of 1st level stance)

assuming max rolls: 372, but this might not actually be achievable due to feat constraints and mounted charging and initiating might be weird and not work like that.

>>47705340
Standard action strikes can't be initiated on a charge

>>47705386
Martial Charge (Combat)

You have learned how to initiate a martial strike on the move, delivering them at the end of a charge attack.

Prerequisite(s): Base attack bonus +3, ability to initiate a martial strike.

Benefit(s): You may initiate a strike instead of making an attack at the end of a charge.

>>47701250
Those "princesses" are all traps, aren't they?

>>47705340
As per PoW:E, lance/spirited charge bonus damage no longer stacks alongside bonus maneuver damage. You get either one or the other. Iirc from the wording it also includes boosts.

>>47705405
as it turns out, cutsey schoolgirl lesbians.

>>47705432
0/10 ruined

>>47705419
Interesting, that does change that up, though frees the build up significantly. Realistically the only difference between spirited charge and ruby zenith would be any boost used in the attack, and the difference of weapons but that's peanuts really.

so it's a x4 not x6

>>47701250
I'm playing a princess in 5e

It's fun but sometimes I wish it was PF instead

>>47705064
You want options that can be delivered through other means. That can be no-save effects, touch attacks, hitting CMD, or targeting saves. There are several maneuvers that don't go through attacks at all (Wrath of Time, for instance), and you can deliver save-targeting maneuvers through combat maneuvers that can replace attacks.

>>47705065
Related, How does a Rubato regain maneuvers? Do they just tank their tempo pool for only one per turn? do they burn through performance rounds to do so?

Alright /pfg/, I've got a question for you.

How much would y'all pay per month for a guaranteed weekly game? With the following conditions:

1. A GM who knows the system, and has tons of experience with all subsystems.
2. Access to full Paizo and DSP material, plus whatever other 3PP stuff the GM and group approve.
3. A GM who is guaranteed to not inject horrible fetishes, blatant loledge content, DMPCs, or any other bullshit.
4. Either homebrewed world and plot, or any published AP/Module.
5. Access to Mythic, Gestalt, Templates, Monster Races, or whatever other insane stuff you want, provided the entire party agrees.

6. Run over Roll20, using Voice and Text, possibly video if requested.

I'm looking to make a little extra cash, and GMing is pretty much the only thing I'm marginally competent at. Just curious what people might be willing to pay.

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>>47705638
>voice
>video

You'd have to pay me to play under you.

>>47705638
People are probably going to shit on you for posting this, but I'd be willing to pay $10 a week

>>47705661
What's wrong with voice chat? Makes things run x10 quicker.

>>47705638
Wrong place to ask, honestly, I think myth-weavers, roll20, and so on are more conductive towards that sort of thing. I don't value the hobby enough to pay for it, it's a beer and pretzels thing for me.

>>47705638
>1. A GM who knows the system, and has tons of experience with all subsystems.

Unless they have a proven track record with good, fun encounter design this and the rest doesn't mean shit.

Quick, name a 1pp intelligence-based class that isn't a caster, alchemist or investigator.

>>47705638

If it was text only and constrained to myself and a few friends (4 man party max.) I would be down. I have more money than time to waste it at this point.

>>47705775
Lore Warden Fighter :^)

>>47705779

Forgot to add, contact me @ malfean.urges on skype if you are serious

>>47705775
Inspired Blade

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What's the best wizard guide linked from http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html in the pastebin?

I normally just read completely through whatever guides there are and just use it for tips on trap options and such rather than following, but there's nine or so freaking guides for it. I think the only one that has more is monk, but fuck making my first PF character a monk.

>>47705638
Zero Dollars and Zero Cents

>>47705887
If this is your first time playing Pathfinder, Treantmonk's guide should be the best for you.
It's extremely good and an old-time classic that influenced a lot of guides after it.
The only drawback is it's limited in what content it covers, which shouldn't be an issue if it's your first time.

>>47705917
Many thanks, anon.

Stregone anon here?
>Piercing Bolts: At 8th level the Stregone’s Mystic Bolts ignore 5 elemental resistance, regardless of the bolt’s element. This increases by 5 every 5 levels, negating up to a maximum of 15 resistance at level 16.

8+5+5=8+10=18, you dipshit, not 16.

>>47701298
Damn, you are running on maptool as well. Didn't notice that. Now I'm even more sad I can't play.

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>>47705638
I already have 3 games like this. plus the fact is you are running in roll20 and roll20 is ass. I wouldn't pay to be forced into an environment where a quarter of my fun is turned into a low resolution shit show with barely there macro content.

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>>47706039

>>47706039
What's wrong with Roll20?

Ay /pfg/

I'm having a discussion with Stack, the guy working on the Alteration Handbook about the Transformation feat chain. You know, the one that lets you just be a person who can turn into an animal 100% independent of casting ability?

Currently discussing the Hybrid Transformation feat, and I've been talking to him about letting the forms which give you extra legs give extra arms instead, for the people who prefer bipedal multi-armed bugpeople as opposed to multilegged, two-armed.

I mean obviously having six arms for two feats would be a bit much, and he's understandably sketchy on that.

So I come to you asking what impact the following would have.

>"If your transformation would grant you additional legs, you may instead gain them as arms, although they are not strong enough to make attacks with or assist in wielding other weapons."

I'm just wondering what if any possible problems it could cause.

What can I do to increase INT-check? Other than the obvious "raise my INT".

I want to use contact other planes but DC16 INT is a bit too much atm.

>>47706265
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Four-leaf%20Clover
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Seishinru,%20Spirit%20Elixir
Ability checks are hard to raise.

>>47706341
Thanks. Too bad my GM ban cyclops helm or that would be perfect

I'm designing a character to fill in for a game that has almost no spellcasters. Since they need a healer, I thought I'd go with a pure cleric, but I wanted to try out an idea I've had brewing for a while.

It's a Deep-One Hybrid cleric of Aragon, but with the heretical cleric archetype. He focuses primarily on Dagon's aspects of both weather/storms and on community (sort of turning a blind eye to the cult aspects and the conspiring for the end of human civilization aspects), and is trying to share the faith he grew up with to the outer lands. I want him to be good, or at worst neutral, because his view of Dagon is much akin to old-testament Jesus versus Hamburgers, Football, Guns, and Freedom Jesus that you see sometimes.

Is this super lame? Should I scrap it? It's not really intended to be purely serious, but I don't want to walk in with a character that is mega stupid, just one thanks unique and memorable.

>>47706147
Maybe arms are 1/2 the effectiveness due to the dexterity required for them to hold/use items, so you can have an equal number of arms that can really only be used for slam attacks/bonus to grapple, or half the number of extra arms that are fully functional?

>>47707005
His other concern was excess complexity.

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Do you recall the tales of Myth-Weavers being used as a farm for characters to copy and reuse as NPCs, /pfg/?

I just had that fate befall me moments ago. The GM explicitly informed me that I was not good enough for the final cut of players. I was passed up in favor of the community's veterans who were already in at least eight other games each, and whose characters had minimal ties to the campaign hook, a phenomenon another has observed in this thread >>47705931.

However, the GM mentioned to me that they would like to use my character as a minor NPC in their game, and that I would receive an opportunity to roleplay the character in a single scene to help with exposition. I was singled out for this offer.

I am not sure how to feel about this. I was not good enough to be accepted as a player, yet my character was just interesting enough for the GM to have around as a minor NPC... played by me, for a single scene. Is this supposed to be simultaneous praise and condescension? What am I to do with this booby prize?

>>47706147
Large amounts of limbs, weapons or natural attacks kind of hurt the system, it's not designed around it at all. Honestly I'd rather see something like attacking appendages in excess of 3 still remaining limited to the TWF line's maximum number of attacks, or at least against a one target.

>>47707054
Tell him to fuck off, really.
That offer's kind of insulting.

Wash your hands of him and don't look back.

>>47707031
It's not all that complex, and I was basing my suggestion loosely on the Extra Arms customization from the aegis class, which has three full steps before you get functional arms, but is limited entirely to two extra limbs.

>>47707073
That's why the limbs can't make attacks or even contribute to holding weapons. I'm just pondering what uses besides that could potentially cause issues.

Things like using shields, holding rods, reloading gunsHah

>>47707054
>you're not good enough to get the job
>BUT I'm going to take the plan you proposed and use it
>and because I'm so gracious, I'll even let you serve refreshments while I use it!
Nah fuck that. I'd suggest physical violence but that's probably off the table due to now knowing where he is.

I've never played an rpg board game before. Is Pathfinder a good start?

>>47707054

Yes, he's being condescending and insulting. It's a cheap way to get NPCs. Lock the sheet, tell him hes not worthy your time and effort, you have another game for the character.

Watch him change his tune almost immediately.

>>47707256
Only if you find a good group willing to teach you.

Otherwise try something simpler.

Nice bait though.

>>47707256
PProbably not. the rules aren't nearly as bloated as some suggest, but Pathfinder is still a large, complex game with sometimes nonsensical rules that lead to a lot of arguments and many times confusion. Your best bet is likely DnD 4e or 5e (they're both much simpler in comparison) or Fantasy Craft.

Fair note - Pathfinder is very popular, and you'll almost guaranteed find someone willing to help you learn it if you want to despite what I just said, so it can be a good time. It can be a lot of fun if you have a good group to play with.

also, this is a Tabletop RPG, but it's not a board game. There's a bit of a big difference here.

>>47707256
No. It's pretty much the worst option for someone just getting into the hobby(or at least, the worst option you're likely to find a group for).

>>47707288
Honestly it's not. I'm a complete newfag to board games in general. But thanks

>>47707290
>>47707292
>>47707307
Thanks a lot

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>>47707322
As a counterpoint, I found it pretty easy to pick up.

It basically depends person to person. Try it, give it a chance, if you don't like it, move on.

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>>47707090
>>47707178
>>47707282

I have turned down the GM's offer and have somehow managed to do so amicably. The GM had apologized; they expressed that they were impressed enough by the effort I placed into my character that they thought it would be a shame to waste it.

>you have another game for the character

Unfortunately, my character was *very strongly* tied to the specific setting of the game and the campaign premise therein. Out of all of the ~30 or so applications, mine was the only one that was strongly grounded in the actual setting and the campaign premise. There were a few applications with a token "And by the way, they happen to be seeking X plot hook" near the end, but even then, those were refused in favor of the veteran players whose characters had zero ties to the setting or the campaign hooks.

It would be virtually impossible to use the character in another game without a precise repeat of the same setting and campaign hook.

The conclusion reached in the thread in >>47705931 seems to be correct about Myth-Weavers being a place where character application quality is irrelevant, and all that matters is being a veteran who is already in 8+ games.

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>>47707398

To see just how absurd Myth-Weavers is when it comes to choosing only veterans as players, in the game I received this offer in:

- One player GMs 2 games and plays in 9
- Another player plays in 11 games
- Another player GMs 2 games and plays in 7
- Another player plays in 9 games
- The final player GMs 3 games and plays in 11 games

Myth-Weavers appears to be so insular a website that the only players who stand a chance of landing in a game are the players who are *already* in many games...

Should the website simply be avoided for everything but its sheets?

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Lords of the Night: Vampires
Lords of the Wild: Werewolves
Lords of the Mists: Fae

When will DSP write Lords of Gnosis? Or is Spheres of Power as poorly written as it is already just that?

>>47707670
I don't really think the bug people from the Star Wars prequel movies fit into PF, anon.

>>47707477
Don't even use it for sheets unless absolutely necessary, just get a copy of the sheet and print or use a psd of it, that or just use the roll20 sheet, which is so much better, at least nowadays

>>47707728
Pdf*

What was that item which hits you with negative energy all the time for cheap healing on undead?

When's Horror Adventures coming out again?

>>47707809
Anatomy Doll

>>47707882
Thanks, mate.

>>47707670
I'd rather have Lords of the Spirit, anon.

Or Lords of the Created. Love me some Promethean.

>>47707987
>I'd rather have Lords of the Spirit, anon.
I don't know which one that is.

>>47707994
Geist. They could also do a Lords of the Abyss, for demon options, including possession so that you could play a demonic infiltrator.

>>47708007
I'd rather see Lords of the Hoard, focused on more playable draconic options. Because why is there no planetouched equivalent for dragons?

>>47708019
Because dragontouched sounds lewd.

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Alright lads it's time for a storytime of last session.

>freeing the city thats being sieged
>get to the lightning rail
>bunch of aberrations and warped ones in there
>crimson countess harbinger is the boss
>she gets disarmed by elsbeth
>runs away like a bitch with her pool of blood
>freed the lightning rail
>rest and prepare as best we can for the final boss
>reach the Colosseum place
>boss is drinking tea like a fag
>think im going to be able to trample this guy in no time
>hes with the crimson countess and two other aberrations
>two rounds in
>place is trapped
>elsbeth throws maximized something
>crimson countess does that thing where she reflects damage
>hits me for 70 because of shit roll
>boss is brawler with martial training
>broken blade
>keep rolling like shit missing half my attacks
>boss goes uo to our other tank
>kills him in one round
>moves on to our gunslinger
>knocks him out
>brawler has 8 fucking attacks
>+20 to hit
>high as fuck damage
>if he gets a full round attack its over for any of us
>harbinger killed by party
>some other fuck was hiding in the sand and attacked me while charging
>get knocked prone after boss counters
>at 20 health
>elsbeth holds person the boss
>other faggot still up
>elsebeth disconnected
>doesnt come back
>looks like internet got fucked
>stop there
>mfw
I want to think that this was a bit unfair but jesus christ our DM went in hard. No previous encounter has been as hard as this faggot.

>>47705690
Changes things a lot actually. For one thing a lot of people can't do the accents or voices they think they can.

Then there's those who are playing characters of the opposite sex.

And there's also a lot more tangenting and the like.

So there's actually a lot to be said for paying purely by text, because it turns out that very often, it's not 10x as fast, it's sometimes not even 1x as fast, and the disbelief might be a lot thinner.

>>47705690
It's only faster if the group stays on topic. It can be very distracting and much harder to get into character if other players are chattering on about OOC stuff. It only works if the group can accept a GM telling them to shut up and focus on the game.

>>47708105
10/10 conclusion
Enjoyable read.

>>47707477
I'll tell you this, you're not alone. And it gets no better if you're "accepted"
In the past year I'd had 3 games where I was in, GM interacts with us, has us write in a bit of fluff (like about the villages, etc our characters come from) and worldbuilding, at least a few paragraphs for stories... and then simply never shows up for session 1, and never answers anything again. But you look at the GM's activity, and a few days later he's already started a new campaign somewhere, and/or characters have appeared in the giant NPC database that look suspiciously WORD FOR WORD EXACTLY like your PC...

>>47708763
That's why he opened up with the whole 'Myth-Weavers for character stealing as NPCs' thing.

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Kitsune White-Haired Witch?

>>47707477
If any of my applicants were in that many games, I would turn them down without even looking at their sheets. They don't need more games, they don't have any reason to care about one game out of fourteen, they will probably miss games constantly to play in other games, they are far more likely to drop the game, and I can't imagine someone putting that much effort into a character when they already have 14 other characters in other games.

You probably dodged a bullet.

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To the anons here that like ToB/PoW stuff:

- Who handled the Initiator Classes better? ToB or PoW?
- Who handled the Discipline Schools better? ToB or PoW?
- Favorite Initiator Class?
- Favorite Discipline?

>>47708818
I know, just collaborating the story.

>>47708936
That's tough.
From a Ranged character's point of view, it's PoW to the first two questions. This is practically by default, so it'll be hard to argue against, because ToB had never heard of ranged characters.

My favorite initiator class is a tossup between the Mystic and Hawkguard Warder... But I usually end up using an Aegis.

My favorite discipline is Silver Crane, with Riven Hourglass and E.Flux closely behind it. I'm not gonna pretend Silver Crane's the best designed, though, It just happens to REALLY fit in and fill in holes with what I like to play.

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>>47707054
>>47707398
>>47707477

Here is the grand punchline to the story. This game was supposed to be run under an obscure, premade adventure.

The last player to be accepted had submitted a generic backstory with virtually no connections to the setting and the campaign hook. They submitted this during the last few hours before applications were closed.

The player also admitted that they were GMing *the exact same adventure* elsewhere on Myth-Weavers, and asked to join this one anyway.

They were still accepted into the game, because they were a veteran of the website. What madness is this?

>>47709004

I will be totally honest here: My table don't use the Initiator Classes of the Path of War, because there is so many houserules that makes the classes too damn strong... BUT we are allowed to pick up the Martial Training feats, the Initiator Archetypes and the Initiator PrCs.

So, I can only tell about the 3 ToB classes, and my favorite is the Swordsage. My favorite PrC is Bladecaster because I freaking LOVE gishes.

I think that the ToB Disciplines are better designed mechanic wise: We don't have stupid shit like Primal Fury/Broken Blade at low levels, but ToB lacks utility based disciplines (Veiled Moon is my favorite) and ranged ones, so I call it a tie.

My favorite Discipline is Veiled Moon, and in a close second, Diamond Mind.

>>47708936
-Path of War, far more variety, and support for ranged builds, same for discipline schools
-Close tie between Warlord and Warder, really like the variety that those two offer
-Black Seraph, it offers a powerful combination of pure offense and debuffing capability.

>>47708910
Well obviously anon

>>47708936
It's hard to say. Warder and Harbinger are excellent, and so are the Initiating Archetypes(wish we got shit for the other Hybrid classes). Stalker is decent, every other Initiator can die in a fucking fire. ToB was okay, bar the Crusader.
>Disciplines
Tome of Battle, no question. But after seeing Fools Errand, I have hope.
>Favorite initiator
Zweihander Sentinel and Brutal Slayer 5ever
>Favorite Discipline
E.Flux.

>>47709321
>ToB was okay, bar the Crusader.
Why? Because the stupid random recovery?

>But after seeing Fools Errand, I have hope.
Care to expand?

Quick question about Path of War stuff:

As a test drive for the system, my table is allowing feats from PoW, including Martial Training, but not the direct classes themselves until we see how this goes.

I would like to try Martial Training into Silver Crane. My question is, which class is the most fun to do that with? Gut instinct says paladin, but it is gonna be pretty hard to get any feats in if I go that route.

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>>47706119
roll 20 has a very low minimum resolution, requires you to go through the dm for all image related changes to your token, has no hand out or portrait for tokens, and their macro content is very limited.

>>47706109
Ah, you saved the old one.

>>47709321
Honestly felt like tow had the better manuevers but I saw that years ago when it was still in play test. I also liked the crusador as a 1 dip just so I can tote around the style that gives anyone a -4 to attack people who aren't you. A very usefull dip for a protective character that can afford it.

Wait, let me get this straight:
If you keep making a DC15 Fort save, you can go on without sleeping forever, so long as you don't need to regain some kind of resource?
I mean, that's what it looks like. In fact, even if you fuck up the save every time, it seems like it just leaves you exhausted and that's about it - meaning you can go without sleep forever even if you don't make the save, you'll just be exhausted.
Right?

Is the content from Tome of Battle easy to port to PF via homebrew or would it need heinous reworking?
I've not read it ever, and I wouldn't even know where to get a download of it, but I'd be interested in doing a homebrew for my game if it's not too much of a bother. It seems like people really like it.

>>47710311
Characters who do not get a full night's sleep may suffer the effects of fatigue. If a PC does not get at least 6 hours of sleep, she must make a DC 15 Fortitude save or be fatigued and take a –1 penalty on all other checks and saving throws against sleep effects. A second night without sleep requires another DC 15 Fortitude save. A failed save results in the character becoming exhausted and the penalties increasing to –2. A third failed save on the next night increases the penalties to –3.

I assume that this counts as a sleep effect.

>>47710380
So, if you keep making the save, you can live normally without sleeping so long as you're alive.
And even if you don't make the save, you can live, exhausted, without ever sleeping so long as you're alive.

>>47703157
>rape scenario
What rape scenario?

>>47710254
Hmm? You can link a character sheet to a token and put a portrait on the character sheet.

>>47710074
Eh, you can grab Power Attack at level 1, and a melee paladin doesn't really need much else in terms of strictly necessary feats to work; and Martial Training feats are gonna give you far more than other feats would.

>>47704625
What's she meant to do in combat?

>>47710474
can other players view that sheet?

>>47710406
i assume you keep acruing negatives.

>>47710610
If you fail.
If you don't you keep chugging along like it's nothing.
Seemingly, anyway.

>>47705157
>Frostbite halo veil
What's that?

>>47710345
Some people already did it, anon. Just google it.

>>47710694
A veil named Frostbite Halo. Apparently some autistic homebrew made to match a specific poster's personality.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19173763&postcount=52

>>47710787
Doesn't look autistic to me anon, just a bunch of guys having fun. Thanks for linking it though.

>>47710816
>a bunch of guys having fun
Exactly. Fun isn't allowed.

>>47710600
I believe they can if the GM gives them permission to see the other player's sheet.

>>47710787
I wrote that particular one, anon, and it was popular enough to get included in this month's full release. Loyal Paladin's Spear of Light was from that thread as well, plus El's Utterdark Shield. They got edited for balance and to comply with official formatting.

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>>47710816
>mfw people enjoy themselves
Pig disgusting.

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>>47710881
thats new then,

still not on the level of portraits though. at least they have hand outs. I heard they got around to adding movement tracking as well a year or so ago. when I played you had to move your token one fucking square at a time.

Either way though it still has that "mother may I" gm shit where you have to wait on the gm who is already busy to do creative side shit and show other players stuff.

Gareth, you here?