/srg/ Shadowrun General

>>47604526
Enchanted Muskets...
mmmm....

>>47604585
Your joking, right omae? We're talking the ones you load from the front and take like 5 minutes to prep?

That best be a hell of a fucking shot.

Reposting from last thread, the Artwork link from the pastebin is dead, anyone has a copy?

Or anyone has a nice amount of art in hand to share?

>>47604596
>5 minutes to prep?
It can be done under a minute if you are not compete slowpoke.
But yeah, not very usable in combat situation.

>>47604639
Whatcha looking for?
>>47604647
Maybe bows and arrows? Phys adepts can do enchanting, right?

>>47604526

Tell me your Fake SIN names boyos!

I'll share mine.

Su Dohnym
Gigi Nohree
Shi Thead
Doe Johnson
Amanda Hugankiss

>>47604705
Stewart Pidaso. Goes by 'Stu' to his friends.

>>47604661

Looking for mostly non-human deckers and sammies for NPCs.

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What's the anime tolerance level?

http://www.adventurebase.org/shadowrun/tracker
Link in the pastebin is kill.

>>47604823

High

>>47604596
Maybe enchanted munitions to boot?

We Rip Van Winkle now.

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>>47604705
Peter O'hanrahanrahan

>>47604705
Robin Banks.

>>47604705
Sumgai Yakwiniku

>>47604526
This real issues with enchanting are

A) It has a huge Karma investment of Enchanting specific spells, on top of the skill itself.
B) It has inflexible timing rules that make using it to get any 'extra' spells onto a run damn hard. If you are going into a run with drain damage from making the preparations, you might as well have just cast the spells the normal way during the run.
C) It has the shittiest triggering system imaginable, which essentially makes them worthless outside of buffs or self centered concealing illusions to anyone whose GM wont put up with Arrows of Annihilation level engineering bullshit. Don't even get me started on how bad Command Triggering is compared with, say, a fiber optic cable or [Elemental] Grenade.

You would only really have to fix one of these to make Enchanting semi-useful, but under it current rules, you do a more work to get weaker magic with extra restrictions.

Can we talk about the video games here as well?

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>>47605473
No one's really going to stop you.

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>>47605223

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>>47605223

>>47605649
>censored nipples
I thought dude nipples were ok

So because of Overwatch's Reaper and my love of dual pistols, I was thinking of doing an edgy or/k/. I could use some help with a few parts.
Whats that quality that pairs well with sharpshooter, the one that reduces the called shot penalty to -1 or 0?
Can I use unarmed for a melee attack with my hands full of guns?
Do two called shots incur double penalties?
Do two smartgun systems grant double bonus?

More of an opinion one, whats a good unarmed martial art that pairs well with gun kata?

>>47605044
has the kind of cash to get enchanted ammo that is expended after a single use
>guys I found a dragon.

>>47605724
>What's that quality that pairs well with sharpshooter?
Strive for Perfection

>Can I use unarmed for a melee attack with my hands full of guns?
Nope. Clubs.

>Do two called shots incur double penalties?
Yes.

>Do two smartgun systems grant double bonus?
No.

>martial art
Consider Bartitsu. It uses clubs (which your guns are in CC), and grants you access to Disarm and Riposte which are nice.

>>47605724
You can kick or pistol whip people, so why not. There even are martial arts that give your kicks extra reach.

Multiple smartguns don't stack, of course. You need a smartgun in each weapon for that weapon to receive smartgun bonuses, and you need smartlink over your eyes or in your head for the thing to work at all.

>>47605724
Wouldn't be double bonus imo, you'd need both guns to be smartlink if you wanted to get the bonus on a check to shoot both.

>>47605724

Gun Kata itself exist omae. And it gives you access to all the cool stuff you can do with guns.

>>47605724
>Do two called shots incur double penalties?
Called Shots consume your Free Action, so you can only perform one per combat turn unless you get an extra one from Perfect Time or something.
Bonuses from the same item never stack, except that item modifications are applied after you split the pool.

>>47605779
see, thats what I'm wondering about. Does the wireless smartgun count then, because its to the gun, not to the pool itself?

>>47605779
>except that item modifications are applied after you split the pool.

Are you sure about that? Core 5 pg. 196 says the split is only done after all modifiers have been applied.

The attacker’s dice pool is calculated with all modifiers (Wound, Environmental, Situational, and the full recoil of all attacks if it’s a ranged attack) and then split as evenly as possible between all attacks.

>>47605810
Say you have a dicepool of 10 and two pistols. Both pistols have smartgun systems. You split your dice pool and applay any off-hand modifiers/called shots/ what have you, then add the +2 from your Smartlink to each attack.

>>47606111
This applies to 4e, by the way. >>47605811 is probably right about 5e; I wouldn't know.

>>47606124
Added note: Just checked, and two-guns in 4e negates smartgun/laser sight bonuses.

They wanted to make two-gun mojo difficult, and it shows. I respect them for that, because it's dumb as shit in real life.

>>47606132
Almost as dumb as dressing up as an elf and hacking a corporation server with mind powers?

Does engulf works in the astral space? Because i just got myself and force 8 spirit gulf'd in the astral by something-something-scary-shit. And i kinda of feel like all the wording in engulf entry is pointing that it is meat space only power. 5e

>>47606147
Dumber. You can twogun in Shadowrun if you want to but, without magic or drugs or tech or Edge, it's going to be exactly as hard as it should be.

>>47604705
Adrianne d'<some french place whose name I forgot>
Her actual name is Adrian. She's not too original.
>>47604823
My character wears one of those sailor things sometimes and no-one's called me a pervert yet, so I'd say p. high.

>>47605649
...
Sauce?
>>47605740
I'll be honest, if you're going to enchant munitions you should be enchanting missiles. Those certainly don't deform. At least, up until the end.
>>47606271
Which is dumb, because Shadowrun has a lot of things that are way easier than they should be, like running up walls, or summoning elemental spirits to devour all who have ever slighted you.

>>47606324
Those are both magic, though. You can twogun with magic, too.

>>47606373
>You can twogun with magic, too.
And it'll SUCCCCK, just like if you twogun with cyber.
And no, you can walk up walls with cyber too. There's those magnets that let you just walk up walls and on ceilings so long as they're metal, and probably gecko grip boots or something.

how stupid would it be to take synaptic booster 3 with restricted quality

My friends want to go on a run were they get to hunt some big game.
But my imagination can't come up with something better than "Go there, shoot that, and bring it back to me".

Give me cool ideas for runs that involve the wanted extinction of one or more magnificent specimen.

>>47606610

It's not stupid if you feel the need for it. But lightning reflexes is the same thing, and it only costs 10 more karma in exchange for 95,000 nuyen.

>>47606324
>Sauce?
Sarina Valentina. She's transsexual, just FYI.

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>>47604596
>>47604647
>5 minutes
In the Napoleonic era, the British army was famous for firing 3-4 times a minute (most armies only managed 2-3, because they didn't practise with live ammo). The slowest part is not reloading, it's following orders to fire together in a volley, properly dress the ranks when there's casualties, shuffling around if there are rear ranks that need to come forward to shoot, etc.

I don't know how fast you could be if you had updated equipment, like an improved lock that didn't require powder priming or a lighter-weight musket, but I suspect a shot every 15 seconds would be the floor for a musket adept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMbxZ1k9NQ

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So I'm looking over the Egyptian tradition, and if anyone has advice I'd appreciate it.

What's a good vessel? For some reason it's an Possession tradition, but I don't know where to put the spirits. If I summon them into ushabti, could they animate the little wax/stone bodies, even if they don't have joints?

If they do need something with flexible limbs, would it be insulting to conjure the spirits into Ancient Egypt action figures from Kong-Wal-Mart? They have realistic ankh action.

>>47606661
Fairly sure Lightning Reflexes doesn't stack with SB or any other augmentation.

(Unless this is a 5e change I'm unaware of)

>>47606659
To be fair, there's all sorts of big dangerous paracritters basically everywhere there's wilderness of any sort. They don't have to leave North America or Europe to hunt highly dangerous and potentially magnificent critters that the authorities would probably pay you a bounty for taking at least a few out, on top of it all.

The various Paracritters books from any edition should give you plenty of inspiration, just pick something you think could make for an interesting target, maybe something else that can show up and throw the hunt into chaos, then plan an expedition/run around it.

The Juggernaut is always a popular choice.

According to shintoism, by the time shadowrun happens mcdonalds will be an actual honest to god spirit.
How do I summon mcdonalds, or use mcdonalds as a mentor spirit?

So is 29 dice with a blade the highest you can do at chargen with a force 3 weapon focus?

>>47607326
McDonalds is dead. That damn off-brand McHughs had to come in and steal their thunder.

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How do you deal with maps while GMing? I've found out Roll20 can use isometric stuff, so basically you can make things in SR:R editor and export them. Or draw top downs by hand. The latter takes endless amount of time because No Assets At All. Maybe anyone knows a good top down asset archive?

>>47607686
Some anons recommended the map editor of a game called Doorkickers a couple of weeks back.

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>>47607542

Pretty sure I can minmax higher than that. Gimme a few minutes.

>>47606684
Well yeah, you kinda implied that
Anyway, even if I was feeling transphobic it still can't be any gayer than the yaoi.

>>47607768
I didn't look at martial arts at all, but I did run out of karma so I couldn't have picked any up anyway.

I used sum to 10.

>>47607945
Don't just say you used sum-to-10. Tell us what you selected for each, ya goob.

>>47608039

Well obviously it doesn't matter what I used since you only need max agi, max magic and enough skillpoints to pump blades up to 6, and you can get that with any combination really

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>>47608039
>>47608052

Done!
A CCC E (Attributes, Meta, Magic, Resources, Skills)

Got 32 dice on just attacking with his sword, 34 if he goes Full Offense (plus situational modifiers like charging and Superior Position).

>>47608083

You can go imp ability 4 on blades?

Skipping improved aptitude was an oversight on my part, shoulda put that in.

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>>47608083
>Nocturna Changeling Adept

>>47608129
Make him human, he has "only" 30 dice (and more Edge to boot...)

>>47608129
Should be loli too.

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>>47608127
You can only go to 4 Improved Ability if you take Aptitude, since you round up when you're using Skill/2 to calculate the max rating of the power. That makes Aptitude worth an extra die over Exceptional Attribute at chargen. You only get one though, since their 14 karma costs make them mutually exclusive under the 25-point positive quality limit.

>>47608129
Could have been worse - I think the build also works for Pixies.

>>47608142
Indeed. But I was asked for the maximum and the maximum (as I understand it) was given.

>>47608157
I had (You) in mind when I found this image.

>>47608196
>You can only go to 4 Improved Ability if you take Aptitude, since you round up when you're using Skill/2 to calculate the max rating of the power. That makes Aptitude worth an extra die over Exceptional Attribute at chargen. You only get one though, since their 14 karma costs make them mutually exclusive under the 25-point positive quality limit.

Right. Guess that's why I didn't take both of them. And after re-evaluating, I'd repeat the choice. Raw attribute > skill every time.

>>47608196

What a nice loli! Can I have her?

>>47606927
Yourself. I played a con game where my character was an Egyptian tradition mage and also had max ranks in Krav Maga. Grappling someone and punching them in the head *while on fire* is pretty neat.

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>>47608240
>Raw attribute > skill every time.
For actual gameplay, I agree wholeheartedly. I take this brand of minmaxing as a thought experiment more than anything.

>What a nice loli! Can I have her?
Sharing is caring, omae.

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>>47608338
I thought the skills of the spirit replaced those of the vessel? Or did you also have Channeling?

In the latter case, that's a post-Initiation goal. It would be less than ideal to be without spirits for that long, though it's definitely the main reason I want a possession tradition.

>>47607686
This looks awesome. My friend is running a game for us and we're looking at using Roll20 for it. Do you need to have a membership or whatever to use isometric stuff with roll20?

>>47604705
I made up Mohammed Li alias Marc Tanaka alias Pho Smith alias Heinrich Thessalonikkos alias Diego Jesúz van Knipjeguilden for a news headline

>>47607326
Except they don't have the meats.

>>47608704

Yes.

>>47608934
Well shit. Only the GM has to be a member to use it right? Or do we all have to have membership? If it's just the one we might all pitch in because it looks really useful.

>>47608978

That much, I don't know. Never coughed up for the thing.

>>47608978
>Only the GM has to be a member
Yes
https://wiki.roll20.net/Subscription_FAQ

Hey dudes, where are the toxins/poisons in SR5. Friend is rolling up a character with the stinger bioweapon and is trying to find something deadly to inject people with.

>>47609110
SR5 Core, Hard Targets, and Bullets & Bandages.

>>47609110
Spread all over. Some are in the Core book, some in Hard Targets, Some in Stolen souls and I probably forge some here...

>>47604705
lvl 4. Benjamin Adams

lvl 2. Jackson Grimslick

lvl 2. Nathanial Porter

>>47609144
It doesn't seem like there are that many to choose from. Any tips for making some/using some from 4e if I can find them?

>>47605811
It's a bit of a thorny issue, as there's no explanation on what you're supposed to do with modifiers that don't apply to both guns, ie if you have a specialisation in revolvers but one of your pistols isn't a revolver. That means one of two things has to happen; either you add the modifier before you split, effectively giving both guns +1, or you add the exclusive modifier solely to that pool.

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How does making an effective infiltrator in 5e work?

I'm putting together a new character who I wanted to be a social face who can also use those talk skills to blend into places he sneaks into for intel and such.

There's so many variables it seems, though. I've got a breakdown gun, lots of sneak dice, rythium polymer, lockpicking, social skills out the ass but I've still got this feeling that as soon as I pass the metal detector I'll be lit up.

Experienced faces chime in please?

>>47604705
Norman Tansell
Rico Chet

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>>47609295

>>47609295

Did you remember to pick up the restricted gear quality for ruthenium?

>>47609436

I picked up a set of Sleeping Tiger clothes from Run and Gun. They have rating 3 Ruthenium and are only availability 10.

>>47609513
Ork poser.

>>47609283
Add, then split. Unless you are willing to add another "cheat sheet" with all the individual situations, just apply what's written.

>>47609283
the easiest and most reasonable way to handle it, which CGL naturally didnt do, would be to calculate the pool for each attack individually and divide by the number of attacks you're making.

so rolling 10 dice for your smartgun and 8 dice for your smartgun, if shooting each once would roll 5 for the smartgun and 4 for the dumb gun.

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>>47609739
What's the purpose of archiving these threads? I mean it's real interesting with the layout and links in everything, and I'm curious about the process, but what's special about the thread?

>>47609739
What's the point of this?

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>>47609739

Wat.

>>47609793
>>47609739
welp, useful for me

>>47609513

AFAIK the Sleeping Tiger ruthenium only works when you're not moving. Just so you know.

I might be mistaken, though.

>>47609739

I actually like this idea.

Although I believe it'd be better if you posted the old thread in the new thread.

>>47610171
I think that might be a thing from an earlier edition. I can't find any reference to that in Run and Gun.

There's next to nothing on it in here at all, actually.

>>47610613
One of the ruthenium clothing items does work like that in 5e, but it's definitely not Sleeping Tiger.

>47610613

Whoops, yeah. A brainfart on my part.

I remembered that there was something iffy about ST. I guess it was the fact that pre-errata it required wireless on to function properly RAW.

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>>47609793
>>47609802
>>47609803

No point I just wanted to show off a new tool I found that lets you turn any website into a PDF.

Thought people on 4chan would find it useful.

http://webpagetopdf.com/

>>47610773
That's very useful actually, thank you anon.

>>47610825
>47610825

You are welcome Anon.

Please share it around /tg/ I think it could be pretty useful for saving, well useful shit that shows up on /tg/

>>47610885
If you type out someone's number to respond, use two >'s instead of one. Otherwise you just greentext.

But you can just click their number to bring their number up in a dialogue box so you can type out your response and post it.

Can i, as a TM, use Puppeteer CF to make device invite 4 marks and let me become owner of it?

>>47611061
No. Changing ownership is either a voluntary action on the part of the owner (and not the device) or you need to pirate it with a lengthy extended test.

>>47611145
AIs also can change a device's ownership with an opposed test. But it may be limited to things that can load programs, I'm not sure.

>>47610682
It's the cloak from Hard Targets. Good for snipers and stationary drones.

>>47611600
Yeah, that one. Though if I remember right, I think it came in grades, and only the lowest was useless while moving.

>>47604705
Hassan bin Wasshed
Tortino Digiorno
Ben Dover
Clint Torres
Richard Gozinya
Eric Shun
Gabriel Barr
Hugh Gass
Jack Schitt
Mona Lott
Peter Ness
Ronald Chi
William Biggs Hardigan
Wayne Kerr
Sum Ting Wong

>>47612343
>Sum Ting Wong
I'll probably use this for my l5r campaign, if nothing else.
Though Sum Thing Wong would make for one hell of a nemesis in a campaign set in Saito's california

Then again, it could also work as the name for a character from one of those NAN places.

>>47612363
It works for an asian specializing in Adept Accident.

>>47612363
Don't forget about Wi Tu Lo and Ho Lee Fuk.

Looking to make a FATE hack and I'm considering my skill list now. Magic should work just fine if broken down into Sorcery (throwing spells around) and Conjuring (everything to do with spirits), possibly with a Lore or Academics skill to reflect magical knowledge, right?

It's also looking increasingly likely that Decking will wind up a simgle skill.

Is this Shadowrun 2050 supplement any good? Classic SR really appeals to me.

>>47612873
It's fine if you have some of the first edition books on-hand, if only because there's a lot of stuff 2050 doesn't explain. You're still probably better off going with 3E if you want classic SR.

>>47612678
I prefer Hung Lo, myself.

>>47613115
Sum Yung Man.

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>>47613145
I always go with Dam Son.

>>47606807
Could you; I don't know, make a custom musket?
Like a break action shotgun, but with a rifle design instead?

>>47613357
>like a break action shotgun, but with a rifle design instead?
You mean, like a break-action shotgun that's firing slugs?

>>47613398
I don't know anything about guns, so yeah, probably.

Musket shoots a ball of metal though, doesn't it? Is that more resistant to deforming for enchantment purposes?

>>47613357

How about a gnome with a sling? I mean, you surely aren't going for accuracy at long range with antiquated weaponry, so you might as well play a hobbit slinger and spew an avalanche of preparations good luck with that at your enemies.

David vs. Goliath comparisons when laying the corpsec low optional.

>>47613427
No muskets shoot a ball/bullet of soft lead it deforms heavily if it hits bone or other hardish substance and moderately in flesh.

>>47613427
>shoot a ball of metal
Why would it be more resistant to deforming for enchantment purposes? The balls still deform.

In regards to what you're looking for and the style you want, get a break-action shotty firing slugs--the rounds are huge and would probably be easy to enchant, to say fucking nothing about the tremendous damage even the mundane ammunition puts out--or just get your hands on a fucking elephant gun. Same theory.

Not to be an ass, but I would certainly suggest reading up more on guns before making a character concept that revolves around them.

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What is a good reason for a Crimson Crush ganger to know a Yakuza gangster contact?

>>47613493
Sister's husband

>>47613493
Whirlwind Romeo and Juliet type romance.

>>47613493
Uses him as a doorman for their floating underground poker games

>>47608083
>Physical Limit [6]

>>47612853
Forgot Enchanting.

Also, doing that to Decking is dumb and boring, especially when Technomancers also need computer skills. If you boil it down to one skill, it just becomes a linear scale of 'I can computer better than you', which works in many modern settings but not one where computers are such an integral part, and decking is supposed to be a viable and respectable job all on it's own.

>>47607594
>mcdonalds
>dead
You have given me a character motivation for my mcdonalds mentor spirit shaman.

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>tfw you really want to grok your way through the bullshit that is Howling Shadows in order to make a paraplegic bio-rigger running around in a Cybertooth Tiger, but your DM said no to bioriggers

>>47613693
You're better off. I can't even find the price listings for mundane animals. I understand their stupid reasoning for not listing prices for critters, but how much does a dog cost?

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I built a thing.

Cyber adepts are so fucking broken.

>>47613467
>>47613477
For the purposes of SR, Hard Targets covers this. IIRC, only 50% deformity chance.

>>47604705
>Level 6
Danielle Finley, Private investigator

>Level 4
Jean Foster, Bounty Hunter

>Level 3
Sofia Flynn, for dissappearing

>>47613614

The Eclipse Phase FATE game breaks computer stuff into Infosec (hacking, computer security) and Programming (understanding computer shit, writing your own stuff). Would there be a similar divide in SR?

>>47613948
>Would there be a similar divide in SR?

Have you ever played a decker? What skills do they have, usually? What do they do?

On a broader game design topic, you generally want the classes to have the same number of core skills.

>>47613749

When in doubt, use the 1NY=1 cheeseburger rule.

>>47614127
I don't think I can price an animal based on a cheeseburger metric

>how many cheeseburgers is a cat worth?

>>47614173
As many as they can haz.

>>47613758

Needs revels in murder to go with Finishing move

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Can I get through a game with absolutely no disguise or sin shit, working exclusively off massive sniping pools?

>>47614209
Not unless you spend every second in the worst part of the Barrens. Not having a SIN (even a shitty fake one) precludes you from taking part in any level of society beyond shanking people for soyburgers scavenged from trash bins.

Also, don't be a huge faggot and play a gimmick character. The rest of the players want to have fun too, not build everything around dealing with your incompetent-at-everything-but-murderhoboing ass.

>>47614247
I wonder if I can just snipe everything from the barrens.
It's not actually that far fetched, now that I think of it.

>>47614089

You've gotta remember that FATE has a default skill list of ~20 things. Having five or six skills on one related topic doesn't make sense under its design philosophy.

>>47613758
you have the same problem as the adept above.
>Physical Limit [7]

>>47614271
It's super far-fetched.

>>47614271
>going into a shantytown sprawled across several square miles

>going to shoot at anything more than 200 meters away (the best you can see through the smog of the cookfires and general pollution, even if you do get up high), much less any target of value

>>47614303
my bad, missread. it's 11 for the arm.

>>47614322
>firing based on line of sight
There's your problem. Trust your teammates/target callers.

>>47614322
>>47614315
>>47614271
This reminds me of the real life snipers that kill people FROM A CLIFF MILES AND MILES AWAY NEAR THE EDGE OF THE HORIZON

Fucking snipers.

>>47613749
Honestly, I was just going to use the prices from 4th. Since 4th's equivalent was actually a semi-competently written book.

>>47614322
>not using a flock of SkySpies as spotters, along with indirect ordinances beside your traditional rifles

No-one expects that generic crow to be helping you calculate a perfect shot.

>>47614418
>sniper has anti-tank rifle, normal rifle, mortars, and spotter drones/cameras on his teammates
>support fire ALL THE WAY FROM DOWNTOWN

If I was running, I would really appreciate this.
I would also try to pay the sniper less on the grounds that they take on less risk. Even though they might be taking on more.

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>>47614300
You don't need 5 or 6. But FATE at it's core has very broad skills that can encompass everything if you don't care, that's the point of a generic system. If you want to recreate a specific game atmosphere, you need to put in specific rules to create said atmosphere.

Look at it like this. What do deckers do?

>they hack into secure computer systems
>they intercept, decode, and scramble signals
>they fight avatars/personas/whatever in cyberspace
>they prevent people from doing the same to them

You can skip the miscellenia like Software and Computer, and roll the first two together, and it gives you three obvious skills. A decker needs to be able to break into computers, they need to defend their own systems (and those of their teammates) from hacking, and they need to be able to have cool cyberspace battles with opposing hackers and ICE. It also gives you obvious ways to differentiate decker characters- they can be stone walls, l33t hackers, or deadly console cowboys.

>>47612853
I want to see this as soon as you're done, desu broski. I love this game, but the rules can be so frustrating sometimes. Any hack that gives a faster-rolling and less rules-oriented experience is something I'll get behind happily.

Hell, I've have done a MiniSix hack ages ago if I weren't so goddamned lazy.

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>>47614437
Having played a rigger sniper, I can tell you it's not all it's cracked up to be. The range penalties are bad, trying to coordinate all your cameras to give you a good view of the scene while not getting them smashed or hacked, while also leaving you actions to shoot, is very tricky, and most importantly there's stuff in the way. It's hard enough shooting into a building through the wall, let alone trying to weave a bullet through the permanent cloud of flying drones in the trafficked areas of the city, or finding a decent LOS to the target when the streets are all in grid patterns that mean very shallow angles when trying to shoot from range.

It was a fun character, but I learned quickly that I couldn't pull off miracle shots like >>47614365, especially if I wanted to shoot more than one target.

So, I'm too nervous to GM a game for real. I also have too much of my time taken up by work to actually run things.
Would you guys appreciate if I created amateur run modules, security layouts, and shit like that?

>>47613493
Childhood friend. You both grew up in the barrens, but he was japanese and smart so the yaks picked him up.

>>47614437
It's the same as any Rigger that stays home on the run. Hell, technically what my Biorigger would be doing as he just say in the group's van and ran around as a Cybertooth Tiger.

>>47614516
Would that not be easier if you were using the SkySpies from Howling Shit? Cybered up crows makes them a helluvah lot more covert, plus you get that delicious Gestalt Consciousness for free exploitation.

>>47614516
>no miracle shots
fuck
that's like, 90% of what makes sniping cool/scary

>>47614527
That'd be kind of neat. Anyone contributing to the community is appreciated.

>>47614271
Fuck sniping people with guns. Play a mage sniper who lives on a mountain and owns a telescope. Your only enemy is the curvature of the earth. And even that ain't an issue if you get it into your head to lob fireballs at Z-O or some shit.

>>47614563
well, as long as someone wants to consume it, I might put some time into making these things.

I recently got a relatively high security job, and it's giving me many insights into how security on places runs, and also how easy it is to get into places if you mug the right minimum wage goon.

Because the guy carrying the all access keycard WILL be minimum wage.

>>47614572
Even better, play a Troll/Dwarf so that you get that free thermal sight to allow you snipe through walls. Knew a fucker that had a Dwarf mage in a 'Hamster Ball of Hell' that he just rolled around on runs in and shot out of it since he could naturally see through it.

>>47614572
>fireballs from the mountains
And thus, a street cult was formed

>>47614603
It is so weird to me that people think thermal vision allows you to see through any kind of wall

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>>47614550
I mean, I still did things like "Corpsec captain is giving instructions to his guys from their staging area, then his head asplode" and we even did that cool scene from The Losers, but no pegging Muhammad from 2 klicks out.

>>47614572
What is this, Exalted?

>>47614548
The character was from before HS, or even Rigger5. The problem is that security tends to start looking for wireless signals as a matter of course when fights break out, and spiders like to have offices that are more than a few layers of drywall deep into the building.

>>47614303
It's 11 for the arm. Even if it weren't, it's 9 on Nitro.

>>47614628
The question then becomes how much staggered mortar fire is required to drill a hole into that office.
Also where the office is.
Also where you lay low when they start a kill sweep of the barrens after like twelve mortar strikes on corporate property

>>47614622
All that matters is if the DM says so.

>>47614666
yeah, yeah, I know.
I just... think it's weird that DMs don't know thermals don't work like that. Right?
I'm not the dumb one here, am I?

>>47614666
Not that anon, but it's still stupid. Thermographic vision means you can see heat signatures, you're not Superman.

>>47614686
You're not.
>>47614648
If you want to be the guy lobbing heavy munitions into downtown, be my guest. I'll be over there in the bunker, waiting for the HTR team coordinated by satellite and arriving via T-Bird that will come down on you after the second shot.

>>47614527
Very appreciated anon

>>47614572
Have fun with that incoming THOR shot.

>>47614859
Gross over-reaction. More like "have fun with that incoming missile," or "have fun with that sneaking sniper through the mountains who has one hell of a reputation and wants you dead."

The former would be a "quick fix," but the latter would be way more interesting. Give room for a sort of "boss fight," encounter.

>>47615004
>Gross over-reaction
I prefer the term "fun", personally.

>>47615078
>having your character destroyed along with half the countryside by an untouchable satellite instead of dealing with a missile and the aircraft/ship that launched it and/or a really dope White Feather-type sniper-v-sniper scenario
I'm not sure we have the same idea of fun.

>>47615120
In the end, it doesn't really matter, I guess. The spell in question would never make it through the gigantic mana void that is space. I just like the concept of a team running for their lives from a terminal-velocity tungsten rod falling from orbit all because they tried to do something as stupid as launch a piddly fireball at Z-O.

If I was the guy running that joint, I'd feel insulted.

>>47615247
Sort of like the head of Secret Service when that dude tried to assassinate a president with a .22 derringer?

>>47615288
I always thought the best way to handle a magical bullet is to have a possession tradition mage put a spirit into a dud bullet and order it to attack in opposite direction of the next hard impact it feels, explicitly not attacking the barrel of the gun if it's dull enough to need that kind of extra clarification.

>>47615330
Whoops, didn't mean to quote there.

>>47615330
>magic bullet
>Travelling in a straight line
Kennedy would like a word with you

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>>47615353
That gives me an idea;
>you make what essentially a bullet (i.e. an aerodynamic piece of solid metal), with some airplane fins on the back
>have the spirit possess that
>launch it from a slingshot, or just throw it hard
>tell the spirit to use it's Movement power to keep it airborne through sheer thrust
>have that thing pinball around a room at high velocity, punching through every guard, drone, and camera in the place

Maximum velocity means maximum AP

does absorption work on aoe spells

>>47615409
good luck preserving the wings through the first one or two targets though.
I suggest coupling the spirit with some kind of ballistic processor to calculate bounce.

>>47608129
>Nocturna Changeling Adept Harvester
There.

>>47615485
Spirits can't use tech, though.

Good point about the durability. The Possession power says that moving into a vessel doesn't use up a service- does that mean you can switch between vessels for free? You could have a sack of Spirit Bullets.

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>>47610613
It's the rpc cloak, Hard Targets.

>>47611600
Honestly, I think any loose clothing should work that way.

>>47615769
like, okay, what exactly is going on when the spirit is doing this?
Can't you just have the tech steer while the spirit makes go?

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>>47615949
They don't explicitly rule on whether or not an inanimate vessel can use other functions if remotely controlled, but at that point you might as well be using a suicide drone.

A spirit can control basic mechanical functions, like altering the flaps of the fins, and we're fudging the lines of 'the spirit can only move the vessel in ways the vessel can normally perform' by saying that the Movement power, combined with judicious flap usage, keeps it aloft.

>>47616064
I suppose I might be fudging it a little if I am designing weapon systems based around a smart guidance system mounted on a spirit drive.

>>47616109
The goal is to toe the line of plausibility just long enough so the GM doesn't realise this is a huge mistake until too late.

>>47616136
see, the secret is BEING the GM so that you can wall these ideas off behind billions of nuyen of corporate research

>>47616064
If the spirit can literally make a car move by turning the tires and tilting the axles, it can flip some flaps on a dart.

>>47614628
>What is this, Exalted?
Nah, just Shadowrun. All mage spells are LOS.
>>47614859
Well presumably you don't start chucking spells at Z-O unless you're damn sure you can take the thing down.
>>47615120
The satellite isn't untouchable, assuming your telescope is good enough.
>>47615247
Check the rules. It doesn't matter where your target is, only where you are. If you aren't in a mana void, all is good.
>>47615288
With the exception of JFK, every successful presidential assassination was carried out with a pistol.

>>47616498
The Exalted joke is that the planet they are on is flat, with a fuckhueg mountain in the middle, and there are Charms that let you see forever and shoot whatever you can see. "Archer taking out literally anyone" is a standard build.

Also, I think the ".22" was the part that was questionable, not the pistol part. Lincoln was got by a .44 to the back of the head, Garfield was killed by two .44 rounds (and even then he could have been saved by better doctors), and McKinley was killed by a .32 and the subsequent gangrene. A .22 could theoretically kill someone, but it's a shitty assassin's weapon- Reagan would have died if it had been a respectable caliber.

>>47616436
That's what I'm saying. The spirit can move the dart around, adding in some sort of techno-gyroscope or remote control would just complicate matters.

>>47614588
This would be beyond facinating to know.

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>>47614572
No one likes campers, y'know.

>>47606306
>sailor things
Seifuku?

>>47616775
I'll try to come up with some interesting secrets without foiling my place's security.

like... everyone has a personal keycode, it's not based on door. This allows the system to keep track of where each individual worker is going. A neat feature of this is if you use a MODIFIED personal code, it signals a distress call for on-site security.

So if you force a minimum wage goon to enter a keycode, he will effectively be tripping the silent alarm then and there. And if you manage to get an unaltered clean keycode, you might have access to his entire access range, not just that door.

>>47617003
oh, this also means they can shut down your specific keycode while everyone else still has free reign to everything.

>>47616782
Yeah, I imagine crazy evil wizard living on top of crazy evil wizard tower would be about as popular as genital warts.
>>47616897
That's it. Lady popeye.

>>47614588
>Because the guy carrying the all access keycard WILL be minimum wage.
Facility cleaning crew?

So I'm the fag from last thread that was making a Last of Us inspired campaign. Could you guys just off the top of your head recommend some good 'abandoned' music? Similar to this from the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4FnmojamJU

Nothing necessarily spoopy, I got that end mostly covered for ghoul and wildlife attacks, but something to kind of capture the feel of empty houses and dead dreams, if that makes sense.

>>47617485
Cleaning crew, sure, but also pretty much anyone who has to do a facility wide function. Interns who need to go get coffee without spending 10 minutes getting frisked. There's all sorts of things that go into running a building, especially once it gets to a certain size. Expect hidden tunnels for the help of all stripes to satisfy human needs.

>>47616498
>It doesn't matter where your target is, only where you are. If you aren't in a mana void, all is good.
RAW lawyer, eh? I'd still rule against it, on the grounds that it makes no goddamn sense.

Heavy weapon mount is listed as 12F in Rigger 5, but it's 10F in Chummer 5.180.0.0. And 14F in SR5 p 461. Confused.

>>47617705
Why mug when you can bribe? As a fellow minimum wage goon, if someone slipped me fifty bucks to leave a door unlocked, I'd probably do it just to fuck over my supervisor. Hell,chances are that minimum wage goon can give you more immediately relevant information on the inside of their building than a floorplan could.

>>47617621
OST:
Games:
Stalker
F.E.A.R. series
Half-Life series
Mirror's Edge
Crysis series

Movies:
Babylon A.D.

>>47617982
I am not at liberty to claim that I or my other exceedingly minimum wage workers are bribable.

>>47618003
Interns are also something of an underrated resource to the enterprising runner. Unpaid interns can be some of the most maliciously unhelpful people in a building's workforce. If you think the safer way to extract a guy is on his way to the hospital by ghosting him out of a DocWagon vehicle, find an intern. So long as it won't threaten their credits, it probably won't take a lot of convincing to get them to poison their boss.

> Start playing Shadowrun
> One player’s attendance is spotty, missing one or two sessions in a row
> Always advocates the ‘kick in the front door, play it by ear’ tactic
> Twice he dragged the party into doing this; twice we almost had complete disaster
> We get a new mission to kidnap someone and it’s a session he’s not there
> We have a good night of planning and we end the session with a general idea of what we want to do
> Next week the missing player attends, we explain the idea to him
> “No I don’t like that idea”
> wut.jpg
> “Yeah, there’s no guarantee that idea will work. The target has to drive to work right? Let’s just pull them over on the road and kidnap them at gunpoint.”
> Yes
> Let’s kidnap the target from their car
> In full view of other motorists
> On a highway
> In Bellevue
> In a AA zone
> Brilliant!
> We end up going with his plan because it’s the only way we can go as a group
> We cause a critical glitch on the vehicle the target is in, target’s car crashes into incoming traffic
> Target should have been dead if it weren’t for DM handwavium
> After some lucky rolls later we get the target, escape, and end session
> Guy misses the next week
> Talk to him over the week and he tells me he doesn’t like Shadowrun because it’s too 'complicated'
> The aftermath of his plan gets the getaway vehicle and driver ID’d
> The getaway vehicle is mine
> I was the driver
> That Guy got me burned
> Imnotmadjustreallydisappointed.png
> Guy misses the following week as well and we finish the run without him
> No closure with That Guy

The guy is like a self fulfilling prophecy; he doesn’t like the legwork and planning portion of a run because it’s boring and we can’t agree on a plan - but he’s the one that has the problem with our planning and legwork.

>>47617904
Probably just a fuckup in the data entry, I'll fix it up.

>>47617994
Awesome. Thanks brother.

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>>47615949
HERE WE GO

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So this is my first time playing Shadowrun and I kind of went nuts with the contacts. My skills are kind of mediocre. Will this be a problem y/n

What can I do with multiple commlinks?

>>47618886
What are your dice pools like? What is the rest of the group going for? General advice; 10+ for main skills. 8+ for secondary skills.

>>47618988
Use cheap ones as burners.
Dismantle for electronic parts.
Give them to people you want to contact.

>>47617113
>>47617003
My workplace has something similar, but it's not a code you type in manually.

We have rfid tags on our ID-badges that "broadcast" codes unique to each employee. All doors and elevators have electronic locks that check the tag and make sure you have clearance to that area.

I dont know of any silent alarm systems but the codes and clearances can be revoked from the security office if a tag goes missing or something.

>>47619018
Most of my dice pools are at 5. I put 1 point into two different skill groups and my main skills are at 8 and 9

>>47619058
I'm not sure if this is a dumb question but what are burners for? Do I just use them once and dump them?

Someone said I could broadcast my sin from my appartment while I was on a run to give myself an alibi.

>>47607709
more like a couple of months, omae.

but Doorkickers does indeed do justice. Other than that, make generic ass battle maps and use your superlative narrator skills to do the rest.

>>47619115
Burners are for remaining anonymous. Use them for Mr. Johnsons.

>>47609295
You can get non-metallic weapons, including Ceramic and Sapphire Knives and a few guns like the Puzzler or HK Urban Combat that wont show up on a MAD scanner at all, since they have an all plastic and ceramic construction. The PSK-3 and PPSK-4 will only show up as a box if they are collapsed, and most guns can have the Ceramic/Plastisteel Components accessory added to them to make them much less likely to show up as well (sadly the PSK-3 and PPSK-3 cant take it). Bows and Clubs can also be constructed to contain no metal, but this is expensive.

If your GM is a huge fucking nerd like me, you could possibly also negotiate for using exotic metals like Pure Titanium and Copper-Barr ilium alloys to make a 20 times more expensive but non-magnetic weapon or tool for anything without an antenna as part of it (aka next to none of the guns in Shadowrun, but stuff like swords, axes, or completely wireless guns should be OK)

>>47616688

Considering most pistol based assassinations seem to be point blank by the time you get down to a .22 you are probably better off just casually walking up to the person and stabbing them in the throat with a knife.

>>47619093
Jesus dude.
Can you post your chummer Character sheet for us?

>>47619115
You use a burner to talk to someone, then ditch it. Stops data patterns forming.

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>>47619581
I'm bad at things

Perception is 9, Hardware and Blades are 8, Con and Unarmed combat is 7. Those are my highest

>>47604823
>That image
Can we combine VtM/VtR with Shadowrun?

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I'm getting paranoid that someone in my group is going to see this

>>47619805
Can you post it in a diff format?
I mean, I could go through the small paragraph of skills to figure out what went wrong, but It's 1 AM or so over here.

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>>47619971
Sure, thanks for looking.

>>47619836
Can you handle playing an Infected character?

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>>47614303

And that's a problem why, exactly?

Physical Limit only really comes into play for Unarmed Adepts. Blade adepts use their weapon's Accuracy for their limit.

>>47620002
Eh, close enough I guess.
I'm gonna be honest, it looks like you've spread your skills out way too much, with all those one pointers everywhere. A dice pool of 5 or so won't get you places, you'll want at least 10 or so for stuff you'll use regularly.

What kind of character/role are you trying to play?

>>47620786
I just built a backstory and put my points in stuff I thought would be relevant. Ganger with melee combat skills and some b&e/negotiation/repair.

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>>47620872
Now that I've written that out, I remember why I was making this character in the first place.

I'm just going to leave the character as is. If he sucks, oh well. Maybe it will be funny. At least he'll be good for the legwork portion. I can probably get him up to 28 armor if I really try, making him an off-tank face.

My first character probably isn't going to live that long anyway so I might as well have fun.

>>47621105
Physical resistance not armor

>>47620872

Not the previous anon but a different anon

Me personally I separate my skills into 4 categories

Primary skills, stuff I want to really be good at, your bread and butter. These should be at least 12+ dice pool. Usually one or two skills are like this. For my current character that's automatics and driving ground vehicles.

Secondary stuff you should be able to hold your own in, stuff if other characters are busy you can carry the team with. 9-11 dice pool. For me that's

Tertiary stuff. 6-8 dice pool. This is stuff that fits RP and background stuff. I consider this stuff you can low key get away with and if you have to, use an Edge point to bump it to a secondary skill. I have first aid and pilot aircraft here.

Last. AKA stuff you don't want to default on. This is the stuff you put 1 point into, the things that where the difference between 2 dice can make the difference or stuff that other people have already specialized in and you're just back up. For me that's running, swimming, and perception.

>>47621105

Honestly a mediocre character can be just as good as a specialized character if they have good legwork and prep work and if they use their contacts to help them.

>>47613477
There are also break action double-rifles in the same vein as double barreled shotguns.

>>47621270
secondary stuff is computers and gunnery.

>>47621105
This advice'll be for later, but if your group's not super big into optimization, here's my metric for skills.

6-9-12.

6 is the minimum you're going to want your emergency skills at, and preferably you're going to want a specialty there. The usual emergency skills are Con, Etiquette, First Aid, Perception, and Sneaking. If none of those are really important to your build, you're going to want to get them to 6(8) as soon as possible.

9 is where you want to have things you're good at, but aren't central to your character. It puts you at roughly par with most professionals (but they'll probably have a 10 in their specialty or specialties), and is generally good to fall back on.

12 is where you want the things your character is going to be good at to be. This is where a sammy's favored weapon category should sit (little higher once 'ware and gear are factored in), the face should be throwing around at least this many dice to not B.S. (that is not Be Specific), and the decker should be rolling that many dice for at least a few core matrix tasks.

Do you guys have any Shadowrun quests to recommend?

>>47622694
I'm assuming that you know about Food Fight. Good? Good.

Now, look up LoveLoveAnon's quest in that link collection up at the top.

It's best done with people that have some kinda idea, I'd say, or that have another run already under their belts.

>>47621325
>little higher
Street sams will usually roll at LEAST 14(16) dice for their primary weapon skills, and this will usually be bumped up to 18(20).

>>47622743
Yeah. I noticed a bit ago that I forgot my 'a' in that sentence. Just couldn't really edit.

Because little higher and a little higher have really different meanings. Especially when you have math and die pools like this.

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>>47620262
That is a very impractical shirt. How is she supposed to raise her weapon to a high guard without her tits flopping out?

>>47623436
Spirit gum. Enchanted by a real spirit.

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I made a couple tweaks, and, I gotta say, this is one terrifying mofo.

Cyber adepts will still probably be some of the most broken shit possible.

>>47623436
>2076
>doesn't know what fabric tape is

Hey dudes, how does damage work? I know that AP reduces your armour and net hits adds to your damage. Does that mean that if you have no net hits you miss, and do people resist with armour plus body in dice? because that's a crap load of dice (armour jacket is 12, 1 armour per cybernetic, even more for armour built in using capacity.)

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>>47623488
Case in point, another example:

>>47623565

The damage of the attack is net hits (If 1 or more, otherwise you miss) + Base Damage and you resist it with Body + Armour (Minus weapon ap)

So you get hit by net 3 by a gun that deals 6P -1. You are resisting 9P damage.

You have 4 body and 7 armour. You have 11 dice base but the AP has reduced you to 10. Every hit you get removes a point of damage you'd take.

>>47623565
Yes, that's exactly how it works. It's actually not that much, considering that the ubiquitous AK deals 10P, -2 AP without ammo or net hits taken into consideration.

On average, an individual with 15 armor (Armor jacket, helmet, forearm guards) and, let's say 5 body, rolls 18 dice to resist that damage (even less if there's even more AP), and gets 6 hits.

That's a minimum of 5 damage that's going through, and most people have tracks of less than 12.

>>47623592
>>47623589
Well damn. friend of mine has built a character who has both arms and legs as cyber-limbs. He has armour boosting addons in that and orthoskin. Basically he's rolling 30 dice before AP is taken into consideration. That's freaking insane. What's good to rock his socks? APDS, direct damage spells maybe?

>>47623565
>>47623589
>>47623592
One important thing to remember is that if your attack got 0 net hits, but actually got some hits, you still scored a grazing hit.

It's not very important, except for a small number of weapons and touch ranged spells, but it is useful to know in a few of those cases. Like the rounds that have stealth tags in 'em.

>>47623611

4e or 5e?

In 4e: Anything elemental. Taser rounds ruin the shit of armour tanks.

5e: Honestly 30 dice won't keep him safe from anything too big. An LMG and a decent gunner will be putting some holes in him. 30 dice averages 10 hits and weapon damage got increased a lot.

I'm looking through the spells I've selected, and I've got 2 combat spells. I Have Manabolt for Direct damage, and mana damage (To deal with spirits and high body and armour trolls), and I've also got Stunball to deal with groups. Is it worth me changing Stunball to ball lightning so I have indirect damage. I'm not sure if I need stun damage as a combat spell. I would be open to replacing one of my spells with a third combat and maybe take punch so I can knock people out if I need to be sneaking in with my invisibility.

>>47623646
5e, are tasers or stuff like that still effective?

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>>47623611
>30 soak
That's on par with the average soak tank out of chargen. The way you deal with them is DON'T PLAY THEIR GAME.

Take your ball and take it to another court, meaning:

Use pepper punch and other toxins. They can't do shit if they're incapacitated for 3 turns. They also ignore armour.

Use mages. Soak tanks usually have low Log+Wil pools, so they're extremely bad at resisting mind and illusion magic. That hot potato or opium den can EASILY deal with an unprepared soak tank. They can also be taken care of by plinking at them with mana bolts.

Additionally, there's other ways to make sure he doesn't run roughshod over your campaign. Stick cyberware scanners and SIN checkers at various points -- if the guy looks like he's made for combat, he's gonna have a hard time in general society.

Additionally, there's swarming and delaying tactics that security will use until HTR shows up. Suppressive fire, gas grenades, full-auto from the other guys. I once managed to nearly OTK a party with a single pepper punch grenade.

>>47623674

Less so than they were. In 5e they got an actual AP value. In 4e they (Like all elemental effects save Sonic) were AP -Half.

Still, in 5e 'A good LMG' solves a lot of problems. Or a sniper rifle.

A sniper with explosive or armour piercing rounds will make him unhappy.

>>47623662
I would say that you may want an indirect, and if you have the money for it, take it as a fetish limited spell.

(Drain code goes down two more, can't be cast without an active fetish on your person/hand.)

Stunball is nice, but sometimes you want regularity when you hit.... And also those elemental effects. Acid's nice if you have hard target that's also got good Will. Lightning's never bad. Fire's nice, but too commonly resisted and has bad sides for area use. Cold's mostly a non-factor (Ice Storm, for instance, is only good if you really needed to cast both an indirect AoE and Ice Sheet). Water's not super great, but it's got some interesting stuff that ALSO happens to have it.

>>47623722
I'm looking at my list of spells. I'm probably going to trade stunball for lightningball. The rest of my spells are:
Manabolt
Heal
Levitate
Physical Barrier
Clairvoyance
Increase Reflexes
Improves Invisibility
Silence
Physical mask

I'm thinking that maybe trading Clairvoyance for Punch or whatever to have a stun damage spell with a fairly low drain. Although I could just use a taser, they can't frisk me for a spell.

>>47623722
Also, where's the stuff for fetish spells? I have Foci but I assume you mean something different.

>>47623611
>>47623676
You can also just talk to him and make it clear you'd rather he didn't run roughshod over the rest of the campaign, thereby making you use tactics that will completely fuck over the rest of the party just to hurt him.

If he wants to be a tanky tank-ass tank, if that's how he'll have fun, it's possible he could be a tank without ruining the game and without your needing to slap him down unnecessarily. He gets to shine heroically and toughly sometimes, without fucking up situations where it'll just fuck things up.

Maybe just consider trying that first.

>>47623520
>dem nips

>it's taped down

There's no anchor point she could use to keep it in place.

>>47623793
I'm not the GM, I'm actually rolling a mage, with a soak of like 15 or so. The decker is also a cyber beast with about 28 soak. I don't know about the infiltrator, he's still working on his character I think.

>>47623793
>You can also just talk to him and make it clear you'd rather he didn't run roughshod over the rest of the campaign, thereby making you use tactics that will completely fuck over the rest of the party just to hurt him.

Well, yes.

That really goes without saying. As a player that enjoys playing muscle, a reality of the matter is that a muscle player should be okay with sitting in the van for plan A, maybe plan B too. If all goes to shit, they must also be okay with doing all the heavy lifting to make sure it goes smoothly.

Shadowrun's a game where contribution for contribution's sake isn't going to get you far. You gotta know when to let the rest of the team to take care of things.

Is high armor even a problem in 5e? I always thought that cheesing initiative was way better for handling anything and everything, and you don't even see anons asking how to deal with 5d6+21 gunbunnies. But a cybered ork with armor augs seems to resurface every few months in these threads.

>>47623811
Gecko tape.

>>47623819
Yep. Definitely.

Communication between players (and players and the GM!) to avoid stepping on each others' toes is arguably more essential in SR than it is in the vast majority of other RPGs.

>>47623813
Well, if you're playing a mage, that soak of 15 is really impressive as is. So don't sweat him being a tank-monster too badly. Begin a mage means you have access to all the most useful tools for dealing with tanks, as is.

If the decker has 28 fuckin' soak as is, the GM will surely be ready to deal with your entire party already.

Or not, which could be just as hilarious.

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>>47623852
I get the principle, look at >>47620262 again.

It's almost exposing the areola as it is. There's no place you could tape that would keep the shirt firmly anchored in front. Unless she tries laying strips down vertically, on either side of the nipple, which might hold the fabric in place but would be incredibly uncomfortable in any sort of motion.

If she switched out for a proper sports bra, she could still show off almost everything but the underboob, and be a lot more confortable chopping dudes in half.

>>47623890
you can put tape in places that aren't the nipple.
Like the line under the nipple where the cloth is obviously tight against the body.

>>47623877
I don't really see how it's that impressive. I've got body 3 and a 12 armour jacket. I didn't get something wrong did I or do most Mages opt for no armoured clothing?

>>47623842
It wasn't really a serious problem in any edition. Hm. Maybe first, but I'm not even certain about that.

The GM always has a ton of tools to take down tank-monsters hard and fast and embarrassingly. It's not actually that hard. But some GMs do get REALLY paranoid about high DR builds, even though, as you point out, speed is the real OP name of the game, or, you know, mages.

Basically, it's more of a phantom fear than anything really rooted in being a real problem. Some people just like being really tough and being cool and heroic in combat, and for them, that means shrugging off small arms fire from a whole sec-team, whereas it means katanas and lined coats for other players, or brooding goth elf mages for other players still.

Ideally, all these potentially terrible archetypes should be able to be fun, and fun for other players, at the table, with the right player/player and player/gm communication and cooperation.

>>47623890
>If she switched out for a proper sports bra, she could still show off almost everything but the underboob, and be a lot more confortable chopping dudes in half.

Thank you. There's nothing that annoys me nearly so much as outfits where tits are going to be flopping around uncomfortably during any sort of physical activity on a character where the physical activity is a central fucking focus.

It hurts large-breasted women just to jog, for fuck's sake.

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How would you make a pirate in SR, /tg/? Pic somewhat related. I considered Phys Ad but it doesn't seem to make much sense for a scumbag with no kung fu to speak of or training beyond street brawling and experience. I also considered wheelman but riggers are best for that and i'm not into rigging. What about Samurai? Is there a place for a non-tanky Street Sam who swashes buckles? And if so, what cyber would you take beyond the obligatory reflexes and muscle bio? I figure a sawed off can do a well enough replacement for an old fashioned pistole.

>>47623923
For a mage? 15 DR is pretty impressive, yeah. I didn't call it game-breaking or abusive or anything, because it isn't, just, you know, impressive.

But for some groups/players/GMs, that 15 on a MAGE would be considered minmaxing bullshit that'll throw off the balance for the whole party.

This is my point, that overreacting and gunning for people because they don't fit your expectations (not accusing you personally here) is the bad route to take.

>>47623768
It's in Street Grimorie. Page 212, although it doesn't properly redirect you to where it mentions the rest of fetish limited spells.

But the important thing is that a fetish limited spell has to be learned again if you want to be able to cast it without a fetish.

>>47623890
Gecko fabric?

>>47623950
>15 dr
>impressive
That's literally the bare minimum any character should have.
3 Bod + Armored Jacket. Goes up to 18 with Helmet/Mask (pick 1) and Forearm Guards.

>>47623950
>>47623968
I spose it depends on the group and such. I don't really see how people would roll with lower than that. I mean at minimum it'd be 1 bod and the 12 armour for 13 soak. Not taking a jacket is like asking to die I figure.

Of course the idea is to not get shot, but yeah.

>>47623968
Did the Armor Jacket get buffed up in 5e? It's 8/6 in 4. (I'm kind of behind the times still after the unimpressive debut)

11 DR is in a whole other, like, tier, from 15. You'd need PPP to get there in 4e, so you'd at least need to be dipping a toe in the minmax pond.

>>47623988
>>47623968
Anons, armored jacket is obviously armored.
If you want an armored jacket that you can actually use in places, you need the LINED jacket.
Which is less armor.

>>47624014
5E has a LOT more armor than 4E. On the same note, DV is buffed a lot more, though you don't get more damage with longer bursts.

>>47624014
The armoured vest in 5 is 8 armour I think.

>>47624014
Armor jacket is 12 armor at 2 availability in 5e. Bikers in 2075 are some hot shit, apparently.

>>47624029
That's the whole point -- armor jackets look like hoodies or biking jackets or whatever the hell. They don't look any more armored than any other piece of armored clothing.

>>47624029
It's not something i'd wear down to the stuffer shack or whatever. It's for when I have to run. When getting spotted will usually result in me getting shot.

>>47624029
This is a factor, too. Obvious armor being obvious is making a real sacrifice to gain more "power" (protection).

Given that an armored vest can be hidden under normal clothing at 6/4, well, it's not hard to have decent armor without giving away your 'ready for a serious fight' status.

>>47624042
>>47624045
>>47624047
Ah. Well, you should probably disregard me, then, sorry. If 28 or whatever this cyber-sammie will have isn't even that crazy in 5e, then...

>>47624047
Literal biking (and to a degree gang) stuff is 8 at 6 availability. 500NY. Has the advantage of 'if you have a bike, next to nobody looks at your armored ass any differently.'

And it comes in a variety of colors, and with a variety of slogans, logos, or lacks thereof.

>>47624053
You are thinking of lined jackets.
That's the entire point of lined jackets.

>>47624029
Executive suit is also av12.

>>47624060
Unless you're in a really nice neighborhood, it very much is a jacket to wear down to the shops.

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>>47624053
Even the most discrete armored jackets look noticeably buff. You can tell they are used to handle trauma.

Armor jacket should get the treatment that people here expect Sleeping Tiger users to suffer. Okay in barrens, lots of raised eyebrows in civilized society.

>>47624126
This.
The armored jacket is the REAL sleeping tiger.

>>47624118
>>47624126

>The most popular armor solution on the streets comes in all styles imaginable. It offers good protection without catching too much attention.

From the CRB.

>Armor jacket should get the treatment that people here expect Sleeping Tiger users to suffer. Okay in barrens, lots of raised eyebrows in civilized society.

The Sleeping Tiger is a 12k Y suit. People in the Barrens ain't gonna be wearing it. That shit's for hotshot execs.

>>47624151
>TOO MUCH attention
It still catches attention, anon.
Fine in the barrens, not fine if you are going anywhere you are going to get paid for going.

>>47624126
To a degree, yes. But average neighborhoods in SR are of the type where the police won't step in to stop a fight until you have an automatic or actually shoot someone.

Sleeping Tiger gets treated the way it does not for the av, but because it's a horrible corporate appropriation of trog street culture sanitised for going clubbing in.

>>47624175
I think that's just an excuse you make to be grumpy about the AV.

>>47624029
Most of the high fashion armored clothing has an av higher than that of the armored jacket.

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>>47624190
Believe what you want. Until they update or deny the description, it's the most recent we have.

>>47624239
Speaking of that, what's up with VA's Aces armor? The way they are described in 5e, at best they'd only raise your social limit at LARP or Halloween parties.

Looking for the strength unarmed damage. I know unmodified is S/2 . Do cyber limbs do a different damage code?

>>47624405
They do P, but no addition.

Anyone else got this problem with mystic adepts in the latest version of Chummer:

I don't have the option to put points in any of the mage skills (they aren't even on the list) and if I load the character my magic attribute gets all fucked up

Not that my opinion matters much, but here's my perspective on the core armors.

Auctioneer: It sticks out in the Barrens, but ain't nobody going to hassle you just for wearing it until you're in the highest echelons of money and fashion. Might make you a mark if you're not known, though.

Armor Clothing: If anyone cares about this it's for one of three reasons. One, you're in a situation where the clothes are odd, like say an active sauna. Two, you're in a place that has bad enough acid rain to worry about and don't have any chemical protections (because you now stand out and are hurting). Three, you paid extra for fashion and now it stands out. Like, say, getting it to look like a nice suit, and now you're in the Barrens.

Armor Jacket: Obviously bulked up and armored, but unless you're in the kind of place where devil rat gets met with a blank look, it's not going to stand out until people start actively looking for armored people. In that case, try saying that you're a professional devil rat exterminator.

Armor Vest: For when you need more protection than just armored clothes, but don't want to appear armored.

Chameleon Suit: Suspicious as hell anywhere, but you're in it to NOT be seen.

Full Body Armor: For when you're looking to show off that you're down for nasty, nasty business, but not necessarily metahuman-on-metahuman violence. Still gonna stick out in the memory, though.

Lined Coat: The history means that you're probably the first person people will look at for hidden weapons. But most people aren't going to be willing to confront you about it. Especially down in the Southwest.

Urban Explorer: For when you want to practice stealth through loudness. Sure, you're either carrying important stuff or being a jackass showing off your fitness. Nobody's looking at you if they're not already searching everyone for important stuff.

And since I brought it up: Bike Armor - For when you want to appear armored, carry a big-ish piece, and have nobody care.

>>47624438
Are you using the nightlies?

>>47624514
Nope

>>47624514
>>47624629
Just downloaded the nightly. Made a new character and now I can skill into mage skills as mystic adept.

The problem with the magic attribute on loading still remains tho.

>>47623922
My point is that there's no space down there below the nipple- there's no significant amount of fabric where you could affix tape in any appreciable quantity. Especially when the shirt does not follow the contours of the breast, but continues across tight and in an arc- either she has a square centimeter of tape down there, or none at all, and either way it's not enough to comfortably hold the shirt in place..

>>47625045
Spirit Gum. Made and enchanted by real spirits.

>>47624755
Can you upload the character file somewhere?

>>47625059
Who wants to stage a raid with me to Warlord China to free all those poor Force 1 Spirits, forced to slave over thread and needle for fractions of a dram a day?

..extensively discussing realistic tight top fashion for large-chested female protagonists. Stay classy, /srg/.

>>47625083

This is the old character with both problems:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=45718778018098724355

And this is the quick test I did in the nightly:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=81293545395474823105

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>>47625249
Would you rather we have the Sleeping Tiger argument again? At least this way it's new.

>>47625295
It's alright.

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I have more art of this character.

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>>47625339
Wow. I thought that was just a one-off, but googling for it leads me something called Nubiamancy.

Black Power Magic Tradition when?

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>>47625415

Neat.

>>47624336
Fashion is stupid.

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>>47625339
>>47625464
Personal peeve that I didn't notice in the first picture- suspenders attached to pants and hanging down, when it's obvious that the person needs the suspenders to hold their pants up.

Seriously, this is a sartorial nightmare.

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>>47625464
Is that a photon blade?

>>47625559
Isn't this like, a hip-hop style attribute or something? For all the cool kids.

>>47625808
I mean, if you want to have suspenders hanging down as a fashion statement, fine (though it's a bad idea to have big loops of fabric hanging off of you in combat) but look at her pants.

They're not skintight, they've already sagged to low on her hips, and she doesn't have a good belt to support them in lieu of using the suspenders (she has that one pseudo-crossbelt, but that's not secure). When combat starts, her shirt is going to ride up above her tits, her pants are going to get pulled even farther down, and she'll be standing there in a thong looking very silly.

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>>47625892
Gecko fabric!

>>47625960
If such a thing were that good my next character is going to be the Flea and no one can stop me.

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