/srg/ Shadowrun General -Keep On Clubbing In The Sixth World Edition

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You're in the club and this guy slaps yo girl's ass. What do you do?

>>47627065
Roll initiative.

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>>47627102
No, you turn on your WR first, then roll initiative. Got to get as many passes in as possible before the bouncers show up.

>>47627125
>not clubbing with wires on so you can rock the dance floor
Just make sure to keep the weapons on lock.

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>>47626737
Some good literature there.

>>47627065
Hack his comm, get his personal ID, wait until he probably doesn't remember what he did anymore, plant a brick of novacoke in his apartment while he's out, plant a cache of child pornography on his comm and then send Lone Star an anonymous tip.

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>>47627065
cast force 10 napalm and enjoy the results as I bleed out of every orifice I have

>>47627102
>>47627254
>>47627268
>sammy, decker and mage all grossly overreact and triple-ruin a garden-variety douchebag.

This is why I love Shadowrun.

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>>47627254
Sure. You engage in your low-budget Count of Monte Cristo, meanwhile he gets to introduce your girlfriend to big troll cock.

That's not even a tie, both of you lose.

>>47627155
Glad you liked it. Dumb jokes from last thread are best jokes.

>>47627330
>Implying the girl isn't running a badger game and the troll isn't saving me the effort to coming up with something to do to her too.

>>47627356
You've really got to buy off Paranoia soon, anon, it's getting to you.

>>47627396
I also don't have another way of resolving the situation that doesn't involve either strapping a bomb to someone or unloading with machine gun drones, and I've been working on going an entire week without being branded a terrorist by the media.

Is it possible to initiate a character during creation?

>>47627715
Unclear. Ask your GM.

>>47627431
Most of the media is corporate owned, anyway. At least two or three thought that a Stuffer Shack being besieged by gangers last week was a terrorist-backed plot to destabilize Aztechnology's low-end retail chains.

Although it is odd how well armed the customers were... And didn't something like this happen last week, too?

>>47628286
>Food Fight every week.

I really hope it's the same Stuffer Shack every time.

>>47628351
>each time your group has a party wipe, you run the next set of runners through Food Fight as their first run
>each time against the same Stuffer Shack
>each time the security gets progressively tougher

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>>47628415
And does the same Lone Star detective show up every time to deal with the situation, getting more and more outraged at the petty crimes committed by some of the most-capable criminals in the world?

Some day...

>>47628415
>eventually your group wants to try a change of pace and be a team of freelance security consultants.
>their first job is to work security for the most well-fortified Stuffer Shack in the world.

>>47626737
so, question about Deckers using a PAN to protect their gear in 5e.

I'm thinking about making a Decker / Face sort of character, but I'm having trouble with the cash flow in Priority Gen. But it occurred to me that I might be able to buy a strong Commlink, then slave a deck like the Little Hornet that's got lopsided stats to it to shore up that shitty firewall stat.

Would that work? Any idea what the problems with that would be? I know that in 5e you can't do most hacking with a Commlink but you'd still be able to use it's higher limits to defend your gear while using the actual Deck to point it's higher stats at what you want hacked, yeah?

It seems a little minmax-y and I'm sure there's a fatal flaw, but I can't find the rules that'd actually make it shit. Is it good for a budget decker?

>>47628631
You cannot use the Comlink's attribute as your roll's limit, only as dicepool when defending. This is not as hampering as it sounds with a deck that can switch attributes around, especially with the Quick Config and/or Perfect Time qualities.

>>47627065
Watch calmly as she flips him over her head and holds him at cyberspur-point. If he tries anything further, I wait about 3 more seconds for her to eviscerate his organs.
Dating the party razorgirl is fun.

Does anyone know where I can get my hands on the German pdfs for 5e? I can't find them in the pastebin.

>>47628724
Ahah, so that's how it works. So I'd get to chuck 6-7 dice at it, but the limit would still be 1 if that's what the 'deck set it's Firewall at.

Gotcha, thanks.

>>47629278
Kannst du lesen?
"In Deutsch" ist ein Ordner dort

>>47629352
Fuck me, thanks for noticing.

What are the top educational institutes that are still around in Shadowrun? I know MIT became MIT&T, are most of the Ivy's around?

>>47628885

Not afraid of receiving the worst handjob of your life?

This reminds me of that one time our razorboi got himself hired as a stripper in a strip-pub as a part of his cover and promptly glitched his skillwired performance roll

>>47627065
Laugh as his hand is melted/burnt by my girlfriend's acidic secretions of her skin.

>>47629883
Charles University in Prague is still around as a top tier magical university. They've got the Great Dragon Schwartzkopf there as a full time professor. He lectures in full dragon form.

Is the Alphaware Toolbox worth it physically for a new group?

Are there still horse races in shadowrun? Thought it might make a fun session where my players Jew the Kentucky derby in some way.

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>>47630730
Horses have made a big comeback. Outside urban areas, especially in the NAN, people who need to cross terrain that isn't easily accessible by wheeled vehicles (whether they are rangers and sheriffs, cowboys, or just farmers surveying their land) use horses frequently.

This bit is my own speculation, but I imagine the Kentucky Derby still tries to maintain purity, i.e. no cyberhorses or gene tampering in the mounts. It's a bloodless sport, and reasonably classy (at least in the public image), so the people betting on it might prefer if it looks like it keeps it as a clean race, between well-bred and highly trained mounts, rather than a competition between 'ware manufacturers to come up with the latest mechahooves.

Gnome jockeys are allowed, though.

>>47628486
One can wait, 2D will deliver. We fa/tg/uys are patient creatures.

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>>47627065
Slap his ass.

Also, typing 'shadowrun minotaur' into search brings up an image of Barret Wallace for some raisin.

>>47630989
The troll slaps your moobs.

>>47630892
This really annoys me. One of the background details from the Sprawl Trilogy that really stuck with me was the horse being extinct.

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>>47630730
Watch The Killing directed by Stanley Kubrick

>>47627065
Do nothing.

My only girls are my snake-woman mentor spirit and a contracted force 7 succubus that I'm trying to feed.

>>47631349
But Gibson isn't equal to SR. You have Tir here full of faeries and shit, anon.

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>>47631349
>the horse being extinct

Always reminds me of this passage from Cracked, back when Brockway wrote there and it actually was good.

>Apparently the people in the past were pretty sure we would've finally gotten our shit together and won the war against Mother Nature that we all forgot we were waging. They saw a future where there were literally "no Mosquitoes nor Flies. Insect screens will be unnecessary. Boards of health will have destroyed all mosquito haunts and breeding-grounds, drained all stagnant pools, filled in all swamp-lands, and chemically treated all still-water streams. The extermination of the horse and its stable will reduce the house-fly." They not only thought we would have intentionally burned, paved over, and chemically sterilized all the world's marshland, but look at how they thought we'd reduce the house-fly problem: "The extermination of the horse." The horse. As in, the collective horse. The entire species.

>And they fucking loved horses!

>But the second the animals ceased to be useful, turn-of-the-century man fully expected our race to rise up and terminate all horse-kind, and then mount their mournful heads on pikes in our yards as a warning to the rest of the natural world: This is what we do to our friends, motherfucker, what chance do you have?

>>47631466
Err, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't your mentor spirit prevent you from doing anything with a shadow spirit that isn't killing it dead?

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>>47626737
>* Running GoingOutWithFriends.btl...

>there's a thread on /r/shadowrun asking people to compliment the freelancers because there's been so much negativity lately

Good lord, just HOW BAD is Howling Shadows?

>>47633699
Bad

Very Bad

"Wilhelmina Graff-Beloit after Lofwyr announces his shares" Bad

>>47628885
Good taste chummer.

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Any advice on how to make pic related work in SR?

Like able to actually do a run, work with other runners, work with bad people, etc

>>47634047

Ironically enough, I already made this character.

Never used, however. Human. Adept. Skip reflexes and focus your PP and augs on raw strength and unarmed skill. Get a bag full of Kamikaze and Jazz.

>>47633699
It's got monsters. Wish it had more.
Drakes still suck tho.

>>47634098

Er. I say unarmed skill, but I guess you could do axes if you want to be completely accurate. Also Berserk trait with berserker rage power.

>>47634098
>>47634116
I was thinking Orc to reflect the size of the original character. Or even a Troll to really get the physically imposingness down.

Berserker power and drawback necessary. Mystic Armor perhaps and a Code of Honor.

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>>47633699
There's no price or availability for any of the critters you might want to buy, because the lead dev wanted them to be harder to acquire than an availability test and corporations wouldn't release their breeding stock for sale.

People are also salty about drakes being impossible to make out of the gate in priority character generation, as they cost 75 karma. Doesn't all need to be purchased at once, but it means your first 25-50 karma pretty much has to be spent on actually becoming a drake.

Personally I don't mind the drake rules as they're pretty explicitly intended for higher-level games where you're gonna be getting that much karma quite quickly, but the /srg/ meta of street-level black-trenchcoat games doesn't suit it well.

Honestly the problem is that the only people we SEE are the freelancers, while the rules they write are compromised by decisions made upstream from them.

Guy making the Fate hack reporting in. How does my Skill list look so far?

>Academics, Athletics, Body, Burglary, Conjuring, Contacts, Deceive, Decking, Empathy, Hardware, Notice, Fight, Investigate, Medicine, Notice, Persuade, Pilot, Provoke, Resources, Science, Shoot, Software, Sorcery, Stealth, Will

>>47634227

So, what, the Freelancers write sub-par or "Okay" material and then it's edited into trash by CGL in house?

I have a hard time understanding who's to blame here. I wish I knew why people keep dragging their names through the shit to write stuff for a company that turns it into trash. Or alternatively I don't understand why CGL keeps hiring trash and spending no time editing

Maybe it's both?

Either way I guess we'll get another "We'll do better" statement while they get ready to shit out the next book.

.. Is there a next book? What hasn't been brought over from 4e yet?

>>47634227
>corporations wouldn't release their breeding stock for sale.
They also wouldn't release their experimental laser cannons and souped up hacking hardware, but those can be bought all the same.
Which is why it's dumb that they've somehow managed to be completely effective at stopping the black market from getting its collective hands on paracritters when they can't even stop it from getting literal WMDs once in a while.

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>>47634227
>There's no price or availability for any of the critters you might want to buy

So.. What.. It's like "Here's some critters. You can only fight them. Did you want to have a pet or mount? Ha ha, too bad, fucker."

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>>47634287
I've chatted to a couple of the freelancers about this, and generally they want to write Shadowrun material because they love the game and think they can contribute something awesome. Same reason we shitpost on here, just with more responsibility. I have to believe it's decisions that come down from above, as you can see from the utter refusal to release errata that's been pushed up to the editors by the freelancers.
>>47634315
See, that's the fucking infuriating thing; it's a tacit acknowledgement that the acquisition system doesn't work for shit. If it was setup from the start as 'You NEED a specialised contact to get your gear' you wouldn't see as many people just write it off as 'Yeah, I spent my three free contact points on a fixer, he gets me stuff.'
>>47634556
So the bulk of the book is essentially Aetherology, with a dozen or so pages of critter gear and ware, and how to train an animal to do tricks. But yeah, there's no availability or cost for any of the animals. Reddit made a list of prices for them.

>>47634315
That's probably because the scarcity prevents people outside ares from realising they suck.
>>47634556
Dev advice was to get your hands on the critters by shooting them with stick and shock

>>47627330
>tfw in our game we have had to work for a gang run pornographic studio whose best production is called Trolled
>it's literally just blacked but with trolls

>>47633699

It's bad enough that I publicly shared the book just to undercut sales. It's bad enough that I honestly considered kneecapping mac for it.

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>>47634227
>People are also salty about drakes being impossible to make out of the gate in priority character generation, as they cost 75 karma. Doesn't all need to be purchased at once, but it means your first 25-50 karma pretty much has to be spent on actually becoming a drake.

More than that. Because you can't buy the 75-karma version, that lets you be a drake automatically from the get-go, you need to buy Latent Dracomorphosis for 5 karma, and then spend 140 karma in-game to fully activate it. It's impossible to do in all practical games unless the GM is a true Monty Haul, even at Prime Runner levels.

>>47635121
>>47634556
The funny thing is that they don't even have the prices for regular animals. You want a beagle, or a fish in a bowl? Load up on stick 'n' shock and start hunting. That's how people get pets, right?

The only prices in the entire book that I can find are for the biodrones. So buying a housecat is impossible, but a nigh-invisible, amped-up tiger you can jump into? That's fine, 600k.

They give the prices for all the cyberware, but not the base animals. You want a chimera? Pg. 170
>Costs for chimerics are triple the base creature cost plus twenty-five percent for each type of genetic modification and fifty percent for each chimeric ability.

So they give you the math, but not the basic numbers. It's retarded. I can't tell if they just forgot a table, or I'm a retard who can't find it.

>>47635357
C'mon now. Mac fucked up the Drake section by not making them a metatype like shifters (haven't done a straight comparison, but I think drakes may actually be worse than some of them), and by the fucking retarded MAGIC CYBERWARE THAT DISAPPEARS WHEN YOU SHIFT AND COMES BACK WHEN YOU SHIFT BACK HOLY SHIT THIS IS HUGE AND BREAKS THE LAWS OF MAGIC AS WE KNOW THEM, but some of her other work is good.

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How did you craft memorable villains in your games? I presume, working with PC backgrounds was involved. Did you start creating villains after the start of your campaign or did you plan them beforehand?

>>47635491

There was a lot more wrong with it than that. The lead-in story was fuck-awful self-insert shit, knowledge on drakes seems to have taken a massive step backward to the point where they're pretty much just saying it's a mysterious mystery of mystery, drakes are described as metahumans that can transform into drake form rather than vice-versa, (minor nitpick: it says metahumans can't be made into a drake, but that's exactly what Dunkelzahn tried to do; maybe not common knowledge, but definitely known, since metaplot characters frequently reference being angry at Dunk for his plans), the drake/dragon relationship is described uniformly as abusive/coercive (which isn't true), the line "Parents of would-be drakes often try to smuggle their children out of the sight of whatever dragon is behind their transformation", THE PICTURE OF AN ANTHRO DRAKE OH MY FUCKING MOUNTAINSHADOW, "For once, I’m not at all hamstrung in what I can say, because there’s no one in the people I deal with representing the free drake population and putting on constraints." Uh, no, Frosty and Ryan Mercury have had interactions, "That’s not to say dragons don’t want their property back. And yes, they think of drakes as property. That’s a universal notion, and it shouldn’t surprise any one of you." Big D fucking NAMED HIMSELF after one of his drakes (but ok, I guess dragon antipathy is universal enough to justify this line regardless of its truth), and then everything to do with the mechanics.

The good: "I know of a dragon cult operating out of the western UCAS, and supposedly the higher-ups in this little cult can transform into metahuman-sized dragons. I’d pin their activities on Ghostwalker, but they’re basically a gang with a spiritual bent, and they focus on turf wars, so I don’t see how that advances his plans." is an actual decent hook.

Help me out, /srg/.
How would you go about making a psionic dude?
I want to make a guy that focuses more on mind whammies and telekinetics than spirits or whatever, but have almost 0 system mastery.

>>47635893

Psionics is a tradition. It's also a posession tradition

>>47635933
Wait how does that even make sense

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>>47635491
(cont'd)It's weird because Chimeras are explicitly things for people to buy.

>For the mid-range chimera owner, there are certain pets that have proven so popular that the demand had to be satisfied. A few years ago you only found Cerberus corgis on the arms of starlets and tinies in corporate gene zoos. This past Christmas, over 50,000 three-headed fuzzballs poked their way out from under the yule tree to the delight of children and spouses everywhere.

To the delight of children and spouses, but not Shadowrunners. They are doomed to a cold, corgiless existence. You could buy a modified pet now, but not in the future where they are explicitly a common phenomenon. It would be one thing if they had a table that walled off certain modifications, rating some things with F availability, but they didn't. It's the same price if you want your pet to glow, or increase it's physical limit by 1, or if you want to give it wings or venom or poison fangs.

Also, I can't tell the difference between 'genetic modification' and 'chimeric ability'. All of the things are in one list, are we supposed to tell from the fluff? Does Ink Extrusion count as modifying genetics, or chimerically adding squid buts?

>>47635796
The fluff stories are always awful. I know they changed some of the background stuff about drakes, but I never read close enough to the old things to care. Didn't know that stuff about Dunkel Donuts.

>>47635893
assuming 5e:

psionics is a intuition, possession magic tradition in stolen souls. so you'd be making a mage that views his magic as mental stuff.

blaster mages are not going to match firearms in most cases. having the option of spending edge to throw a force 12 ball lightning is very nice, but lower-force spells are much less impressive.

there are a lot of spells that can simulate telekinesis and telepathy - mage fingers being an obvious starting point. look through magic section of the core book a bit, grab street grimoire and stolen souls from the rapidshare, and you'll be fine

>>47635796

It was a whole slew of missed opportunities. It seems like the goals were:

* Make drakes non-disruptive to the gameplay narrative
* Make drakes balanced.

If I'd been in charge of writing it, what I would have done is:

1. Since drakes were only created in the 4th world and thus there was only one downcycle, this is the first time dragons have been able to observe the long term effects of drakes interbreeding with metahumans. As a consequence, it turns out drakes are a lot more common than first thought, but the majority of the drake population have powers that are diluted because their genetics are diluted.
1a. Consequently, great dragons ignore weak drakes and also have less need for non-elite drakes in general, due to inflation. In fact, it was largely this fear of inflation that drove Lofwyr to thwart Dunkelzahn's plan to Drake-itize everyone.
1b. A great dragon will still pursue a shitty drake if they feel they had a claim on them (like if you worked for Saeder Krupp, for instance).
2. Drakes come in tiers from pants-on-head useless (like, too unfamiliar/unaccustomed to their drake body to even use natural weapons effectively) to elite tier. At the game's beginning you pay an appropriate karma cost to buy both a floor and a ceiling to your character's development, with later karma costs to actually level up.
2a. Working for a great dragon naturally boosts you one level higher, no karma required, but counts as a negative attribute.
3. Since drakes are no longer so important to great dragons, there are now people who want to dissect them/whatever. But since the matter of determining which drakes are fair game is complicated, the situation is...complicated. Lots of outsourcing of tasks; no megacorp wants to assume the risks internally.

>>47635978
Go read Shadow Spells, pg 5.

Also, just go heavy in Manipulation. Mental and Physical. Levitate is the best one for moving shit. Control Mind and Mind Probe are also good ones.

>>47635893
psions are basically just deluded mages who gimp themselves by cutting out a lot of magic that they consider "impossible" under the made up rules that their "mental powers" function under.

>>47636028
Doesn't that apply to pretty much every tradition?

>>47636074
Most traditions don't decide that "We don't deal with spirits in any way whatsoever, we can only use certain spells (but they're not actually magic, mkay), and the astral plane doesn't exist (Which is why we literally can't interact with it most of the time)" is an okay way to deal with magic.
Other traditions just have stuff like "Don't be a dick to spirits" and have the capacity to understand that magic is magic and how it all comes together.

>>47634098
More like nitro.

>>47636139
man, I just wanna tetsuo shit guy

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>>47636020
I don't like the idea of non-elite drakes, but I don't know enough about the metafiction around them to dispute that. I just always thought that drakes were the elite foot troops, very rare and powerful. Making them common makes them... less special, IMO.

I do like the ceiling/floor idea in general, and point 3. Nobody studying drakes was an idiotic thing to say, especially when they point out in that section that the same corps don't mind cutting up technomancers, changelings, shifters, or headcases despite what enemies they might make. Aztechnology did a dissection of a fucking dragon, for God's sake, they give no shits.

>>47636139
They do mention that it's a very rare tradition, basically used solely by narcissists who think they're the only ones who really understand how things work.

>>47635491
>More than that. Because you can't buy the 75-karma version, that lets you be a drake automatically from the get-go
>>The high Karma cost for this quality need not be paid completely during character generation, but the balance must be paid with earned Karma during the campaign before the character is able to shift into dracoform for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFtcLJVN8yg
>>47635796
Bred drakes are metahumans that shift into dracoform. True drakes are a different kettle of fish entirely.
Dunklezahn never managed to create new dracoforms because the Humanis burned his vaccine to shit before it could be administered to people. As far as everyone that isn't fucking Lofwyr is aware it was a longevity potion.
>>47636020
And then you'd get people complaining because none of that lines up with the rules that were in Running Wild, and it's a well-established fact that CGL will always take the path of re-writing 4e content over taking a new direction.

>>47635796

Oh, also this is only the "positive:" sins. There are many more in terms of what kinds of information was omitted

>>47636201

Do you want to be special or do you want to be a fucking dragon, omae?
.

>>47636191
Well, this isn't the setting for it.
Even if you do play a psion, you're still actually using magic. You're just really deluded and the butt of many, many jokes.
Psionics was big when magic first returned to the world, because nobody understood what was going on and "it's brain power" seemed to be a pretty good answer, because it seemed to actually work. Psionics got progressively smaller and more nonsensical as time went on and people started learning about what magic really is. Now it's really just a lot of bitter old psions who are too stubborn to realize they're wrong and some unfortunate young people that they've managed to convince.

>>47636308
>The high Karma cost for this quality need not be paid completely during character generation

I missed that over the fold. So what's the point of Latent Dracostuff? It doesn't give a price point for how much you need to put in; everyone could buy that quality for 1 karma and wait and see if somewhere down the line they want to be a magic dragon-man. I guess it's if you decide to want to be a drake after chargen, so you need to pay twice the cost because reasons.

>>47636405
I should clarify- there's no amount for how much you need to put into the basic Drake quality.

>>47636405
Picking up Drake means you start out with the Wanted quality, with all the problems that entails. Latent doesn't incur that penalty, but you do gain the ability to unlock abilities for it over time. Some GMs might force you to pay double karma for Drake as well, I guess?

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I need good advertisements. Im assuming mega corps cant just force... well they can't force everybody to buy their products, especially high end equipment like decks and home defense auto turrets.

>with a purchase of a premium durasteel Ares safe you can get up to 15% discount on select Ares wall turrets because the best defense is a good offense
>You watched her on trideo, you played with her on the matrix but now you can be her or with her with the brand new Elfy Mcface BTL chip for standard chip devices. Take your love to the max warning: disabling safety protection on chip or any device is illegal and will void any refund in addition to being prosecuted by our lawyers
>try my pork buns, made with real pork*. Make you real man, you'll love it or my name isnt Shogun Masamune. *5% pork byproduct

>>47636778
>Im assuming mega corps cant just force... well they can't force everybody to buy their products
That's exactly what they use simsense to do. Jack it up to just below illegal level levels, and let addiction susceptibility percentages do the work.
>especially high end equipment like decks and home defense auto turrets
Decks? No. They don't want citizens with decks. Too hacky. They barely want citizens with firearms - home defence ads are for dinky light pistols.

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>>47636778
All these words, and complete sentences?! I can't be fragged to listen to all of this!
Icons, omae! I'm a busy man!

>>47634282

Bumping this.

>>47636778

Go back to futurama's intros for the first couple of seasons where they have advertising clips. Also look at national tourism ads, Mass Effect, and 'famous ads' on google.

>>47636201
Also old people. It used to be THE tradition for the first five or so years after the awakening. I can totally imagine an elderly academic who is running to fund his research.
>>47636778
Ares: we sell lasers. What more do you want?
Horizon. We know what you want.
Are you the toughest fucking trogger on the streets? Then you should buy the sleeping tiger(tm), lined with kevlar and with a ruthenium polymer exterior so they'll never see you coming.
They're coming for you. Don't let them find you wanting. Ares: the premier brand in self defense products.

Pistol Adept, what powers are necessary to be remotely effective?

>>47639268
>>47639268
Improved Reflexes, Improved Ability
Traceless Walk and Wall Running for style

>>47639268
Anything that makes you shoot better or faster:

- Improved Reflexes: makes you shoot faster
- Improved Ability (Pistols): makes you shoot better
- Attribute Boost (Agility)/Improved Attribute (Agility): makes you shoot better
- Combat Sense (1 rank): This does not allows you to shoot better by itself, but will make it incredibly hard to take you by surprise

If you do not take any cyberware and cannot see in low-light, the Improved Sense: Low-light Vision is a pretty useful one.

Nimble Fingers is nice if you want to "reload fastah".

>>47636778
- A man who never eat pork bun is never a true man
Pork Bun guy, Sleeping Dogs

>>47636778
Holy shit, %5 real meat? Get a load of Mr moneybags over here.

>>47640452
Real byproducts.
We're talking the outer shavings of the hooves and the most disease riddled bits of liver and intestine, ground up into a fine sludge, bleached of all flavor and color, redyed and artificially flavored, then reconstituted using a soy base and put into a styrofoam cup with some noodles.

>>47640530
That reminds me-

Soy is actually bad for the human body, I remember reading about that.

So in 2075, pharma companies are probably making shittons of cash.

>>47640658
Have you seen the anti-allergy products?

From what I've heard, 3e made allergies common.

>>47627330
>That's not even a tie, both of you lose.
That IS a tie.

>>47640658
>Soy is actually bad for the human body, I remember reading about that.
In Shadowrun or irl? The stuff about it being tied to estrogen was broscience.

can I initiate multiple times at once or do I need to take time for each

>>47641251
You need to take time for each.

5e question

Do the guns come with a full magazine of ammunition? I think I remember seeing that they do somewhere, but I'm not sure where and haven't found anything on it

>>47641285
They come with a mag, but no ammunition.

So the AR matrix is using meatspace init

Am I right in assuming this also includes additional dice and boosts from drugs and/or ware?

>>47642067
>Am I right in assuming this also includes additional dice and boosts from drugs and/or ware?

You are. That is the core idea behind Adept Decker build.

>>47642093
That, the dice bonus, and eventually taking the Way that lets you sing (or other focusing tool action) away noise penalties.

>>47634227
>People are also salty about drakes being impossible to make out of the gate in priority character generation, as they cost 75 karma
People are idiots who can't read, unfortunately.

>>47627065
He'd have to bend down, she's a gnome.

>>47642174

Give pictures, I have a huge hardon for tiny girls. Such as 11-year-olds.

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>>47642186
She's actually a human vampire, not a gnome

'Gnome' is just a convenient lie for getting her into places an actual young girl shouldn't be, like clubs.

>>47642316

That's awesome, almost as cool as my loli apept infiltrator who disguises herself with body&facial sculpt as a dwarf when she wants to be taken seriously.

>>47642316
>>47642330

I'm now imagining the face of the club's bouncer, either a burly ork or huge troll looking suspiciously at the ARO of the "dwarf's" and "gnome's" SIN while they look up smiling sweetly and innocently.

>>47642436

What are you talking about? My loli has a fake dwarven SIN and uses voice control to have a voice to match.

>>47641263
since initiation is an extended test of a month can I spend 1 week doing it then later do 2 week after some time has passed and finally the fourth or spend the month in its entirety before I can try again if I didn't achieve the hits I needed

>>47640960
A tie is more about inconclusive results- you draw. This way, both parties are suffering.

>>47642887
Unless you're doing an asceticism or hermit, you can pretty easily break it up.

And of those two, only the asceticism ordeal is really hard to break up. Mostly because it's kinda killer.

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So how grimdark is shadowrun.

I get the impression that everything is a facisit police state ran by corps for max profit. Almost everything is illegal, there is only shitty synthetic food and actual food costs a $1000 per ounce. Aztechnology will kill you with blood magic just for thinking about them. All animals are bloodthirsty monsters. Vampires and ghouls in the sewers.

If not where is that single ray of hope for the future. Or is it that in this far future there is only black trenchcoats.

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>>47643172
>actual food costs $1000 per ounce
Not even close, anon.

Corps can't make any profits if they suppress EVERYTHING. People have to have the illusion of choice and freedom, and guess what, when there's a computer catalogue of what everyone purchases ever, you don't even have to restrict dangerous goods that much. People just can't buy things they don't have permits for, and if they buy dangerous goods in bulk, friendly KE comes by to take them in for questioning.

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>>47642093
>adept decker

>>47643172
>So how grimdark is shadowrun.
How grimdark do you want it to be?
There's a lot of variance, esp. in places that don't have much fluff on them. Is Amazonia a eco-socialist utopia? Is it a 19th century european power that refuses to believe that it's almost the 22nd century? Is nothing but jungle apart from two major cities?

>>47643172
Most populated areas aren't that far from industrial zones, acid rain is common, and the worse cities require protection and filters to survive outside secure shelter for more than a few hours.

No idea why they backed off on the price of food.

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>>47643172
It's cyberpunk, so things are by definition grim, but generally life is OK.

The corps run a tight ship if you're a corporate citizen (in which case you work 70 hour weeks if you're a common wageslave), but at least you always have food, a safe bed, and a school for your children. The food people eat the most of is soy, but we've gotten a lot better at changing the taste and texture, so if you haven't had the real thing it's a fitting diet. And you can buy fresh fruit and meat, if you want, especially if you live in someplace like the NAN.

Aztechnology is everyone's best friend, the company that people love for their consumer goods that does all the cool marketing stunts. Unless you're in the shadows, and deep in them, the blood magic thing is something you never heard of.

And there are a lot more dangerous things out there in the wild. Critters are nasty, which is why people have retreated mostly into urban areas. But unless you're the kind of guy who would go out into deep nature now, it's not going to bother you.

You've got all kinds of things like advanced medicine that literally makes the lame walk and the blind see, magic (which is cool in the abstract, even if most people don't experience it firsthand), a vastly improved environment (at least compared to what we're probably going to end up with in 2077, at the current rates of pollution), and other things. If you're content to be a slave, there are some pretty nice chains. If you want stuff like 'freedom to do whatever you want, and laws that protect you from people who want to stop you', then you're in trouble.

>>47643255
>No idea why they backed off on the price of food.

Because it doesn't make sense with Shadowrun. It's not the usual cyberpunk hyperpolluted wasteland out there, there's literal magic cleaning the planet. Places like Snohomish are just outside of cities, farming away. Soy and krill are still the most economical foodstuffs to produce in bulk, but the market for things like "fresh fruit" still exists, and exploiting every potential market is the whole point of a corporatocracy.

>>47643342
>It's not the usual cyberpunk hyperpolluted wasteland out there
Where does it say it isn't?

>>47643218
Basically:
- Adept
- High INT and LOG
- Skill points in all the hacking-relevant skills.
- Improved Reflexes and Improved Ability in your main skill(s)

You get a deck but you stick to AR for hacking. Improved Reflexes gives you multiple passes and you can switch freely(*) between Matrix and meatspace actions. You are also completely immune to Biofeedback.

(*) Meatspace actions have a -2 dice modifier due to AR being distracting, but okay. A regular decker is vegetative while hacking.

Which is better, custom cyberarms or muscle toner?

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>>47643377
...Everywhere. All over the fluff, man. You've got nice rolling fields in the NAN (which have rolled right over most small towns), you've got Quebec with experienced a boom in 'old growth' forests across most of the province, you've got the comeback of things like the rainforests of South America, as mentioned you have the farming community of Snohomish just outside of Seattle.

Shadowrun is explicit in the fact that nature is back with magical strength, and outside of the urban areas, and specifically polluted areas like the SOX, it's hyperwild out there.

>>47643415
If you have maximum Agi, toner.

If you do not, custom and augmented cyberarm(s).

>>47643407
how do you "see" the AR? Just glasses/contacts?
Or do you jump ship on one PP by getting some ware (datajack etc.)

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>>47643415
Muscle Toner/Augmentation, by far. Unless you are taking your cyberarm to the max (which is expensive enough with one limb, let alone two), it's way more efficient in both Essence and nuyen to augment your whole body with bioware.

Cyberlimbs are grossly underpowered if you don't houserule in things like different starting places for stats.

>>47643437
Glasses, contacts, goggles, whatever you want, though a jack and some toner is not a bad idea.

>>47643437
Electrodes is the easiest if you don't want to take the hit on Essence/Magic.

Otherwise, datajack, and (keep room and set aside nuyen for) LOG and INT boosting bioware.

>>47643445
>Glasses, contacts, goggles, whatever you want, though a jack and some toner is not a bad idea.
Yeah, I assume some INT and LOG-boosts wouldn't go amiss too

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>>47643476
A lot of the mental 'ware is essence-intensive, so it might be better to jack up your mental stats and spend your PP on things like Improved Attribute (Logic), and compensate physically with bioware.

Haven't run the numbers, so I can't say for sure.

What's the point of modular cyberlimbs? Almost everything you can put on them you can get as a normal tool.

>>47643510
>Improved attribute (Logic)
Sorry, bud, Improved Attribute is only for physical stats.

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>>47643529
It lets you do cool tricks, like having a regular everyday arm, and a pimped-out running Cyberarm of Doom with an cybershotgun, or a sneaky arm designed to conceal spurs.

Mechanically, not really worth it, but for style points there's nothing like it.

>>47631568
So does that mean that the cats and sharks aren't extinct?

>>47643529
It, like most cyber-limb stuff, is something that either your character's formed around, or it's formed around a very specific need of the character.

Like >>47643567 says, perhaps you've got a face, and you have two arms. One's a bulked up obvious Cyberarm of Doom. The other's a synthetic arm with improved synthskin and as much agi as you can stuff in it. So that in more delicate situations, you still have some Arm of Doom-yness in case things go wrong, but don't stand out by having an armored up monstrosity that probably fits better on a troll.

Or you keep a small stable of kit-hands for specific jobs and one hand with a built in gun.

Anyone have a pdf that covers all the qualities in 5E (Including ones from expansion/extension books)?

>>47643747
The Superbook in the pastebin has all of them, boiled down to the basic rules but with references to the books they are from.

>>47643557
There are powers to increase Logic and Intuition introduced in 4e in Way of the Adept, but they're locked to different Ways and only available to people following said Ways, so they're pretty restrictive (and mutually exclusive).

It is possible, though (again, in 4e, not sure about the 5e situation).

>>47644038
Not in 5E, unfortunately.

>>47643265
>a vastly improved environment

Not anymore, the Great Ghost Dance fucked it up. Thanks, NANners!

>>47644071
That was just some local trouble, it didn't throw up enough ash to ruin the globe.

>>47643648
They explicitly aren't. There's at least one NPC old troll cat-lady in one of the relatively early adventures, and there are straight-up Shark Adepts that ride their Sharkfus around eating and shooting people in perfect harmony.

>>47644110
Not to mention the various types of awakened kitties.

>>47644873
Like catgirls?

>>47644896
Not what I had in mind, I was thinking more of dangerous critters like blackberry cats and talis cats; but sure.

>>47644930
I wonder if Cheshire cats are a subspecies.

>>47644106
Add in corporate abuses. For a long time they were burying their toxic waste whatever they wanted within territorial rights, and there was no legal recourse if it leaked beyond that. Even after laws changed, corporations haven't really cleaned up their act anywhere they can maintain reasonable doubt, and they're still just as likely to pave over a spill and build a set of playground equipment.
Then there are the numerous nuclear plant meltdowns and terrorist attacks.
Industrial zones. They're not exactly belching out happy, nature protecting smog.
Natural disasters. Puyallup or the great volcano exploding dance are just two examples.
Etc.

Go pick out a copy of Target: Wastelands from the pastebin.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnbl9CZ9tOI

>>47641099
IRL.

>>47646307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqZqF_0gcU
Select Sound Filters, Audio enhancement, Sound Link AR. Why listen to normal, boring gunshots and footsteps when you can have onomatopoeia replace it all?

>>47646869
I should really stop clicking on the most convenient reply link to post.

>>47627306
Quite literally, a Trigga moment

>>47646307

So either there is a whole industry build up around combating the side effects of all Soy all the time diets ... or it's genetically modified soy to be better for you.

>>47646061
There are more?

>>47646061
This is very clearly a portal to Alpha Complex R&D.

>>47639290
>>47639957
Thanks guys.

Already an Elf so low light won't be an issue thankfully.

Would Nimble Fingers be more useful than Hawk Eye?

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>>47626737
Why is PNG redded out?

>>47647653
Because people are fighting over it.

Tell me of your campaigns!

>>47647653
Jesus christ are the yugoslav wars still going on in Shadowrun?

>>47647696
Who's fighting over it? And who's fighting over Kamchatka?

>>47647998
Are they not already? I thought that part of the world just liked fighting itself for no reason.

>>47645380
see >>47643416

The Sixth World isn't great, but it's not Judge Dredd out there.

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>>47647998
>>47648038

>>47648038
>kamchatka
The commies and the spirits that stole siberia
>yugoslav wars
I think they've been over for 13 years or so irl.

>>47648404
A) That's hilarious.
B) What the fuck is up with these people? Like, IRL? Can someone give me a quick reason as to why these people--with near identical ethnicities and EXTREMELY similar cultures--hate each other more so than most other people I've ever heard of?

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Stat him runners

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>>47648552
For now
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/26/war-break-out-balkans-bosnia-republika-srpska-dayton/

>>47648586
Because nothing breeds hatred and division quite like neighbours who are almost, but not quite, like you.

>>47648586
A magical combination of religion, economic failure, and some rather short sighted feuds started back when the ottoman empire was still a thing.

>>47647953
Our current one is crossover of Black Lagoon and Tokyo Ghoul. We are bunch of runners operating a boat in Indonesia/Singapore/Philippines area and we are investigating a major happenings that were probably caused by major ghoul organization.

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>>47647953

>>47648586
Thats a subject of some debate, but if I understand correctly it comes down to national pride and the soviet union causing shit. Basically they were all tiny kingdoms right up until ww1 shook everything up. Between 1 and 2 the soviet union ate up a lot of the eastern block and the different countries reacted in different ways to that. Some joined willingly, others were effectively conquered or threatened. If that wasnt enough, ww2 started and some of them became natzis, and after ww2 a lot of economies collapsed and the blame was placed on other countries.

So even though to the rest of the world they look exactly the same, to each other they look as differant as the US and mexico.

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>>47649140
Your history is a bit shortsighted. WWI started because of Serbs and general Balkan animosity (it spread for other reasons, but if you wanted a war you just needed to wait 5 minutes in Serbia for an excuse), and talking about the 1389 Battle of Kosovo in some neighbourhoods is still enough to get your teeth knocked out.

Slav hate goes back to the dawn of the Slav, and even before - Byzantine historians write about how the proto-Slavs were fighting with each other. It will last until the sun burns out.

>>47649272
Amazing, its like the middle east of europe, except everyone is more concerned with stealing german cars and track suits.

>>47648897
That sounds pretty kickass. I've always wanted to take a group out of the city to run, but it's never worked out.

>>47649455
Running in Singapore is fun as the corporate police state is nearly everywhere. We were burning burner phones left and right and paid top nuyen for not getting caught.

The secret GM told us about outside city adventures is just to let it go. Don't think about the cities or urban environment, the claustrophobic alleys and streets are gone and replaced with jungles and nature. One thing we realized due to GMs masochism is that keep everything mechanical and well oiled as possible. Electronics and hostile environment really doesn't fit together.

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>>47647953
Sorta silly, but around pic related. We had a lenghty break, just getting into it again. 4th edition.

Last time we were hiding some expensive stuff borrowed from a yakuza boss' apartment (that run went pretty well, stealth rolls and general luck saved us from being fucked up by the resident nasties which included a highly skilled adept, mage and a Force 10+ spirit).

Mageanon has some friends from his criminal past and one of them is a dwarf whose name everyone unfortunately forgot, so meet Torbjörn. We met with him and his viking pride physadept colleague at a warehouse in Tacoma, which was lent to my PC by his uncle, a big-time smuggler. They set up astralsec for the goods in return for a percent. We still have to understand where to sell all this stuff, preliminary appraisal by a fine art expert was around 400k which is a humongous sum for me. But still preliminary, 25% street price never went anywhere.

Then we discussed our next run for a bit. The objective is to extract data from a closed vault which resides in a ITsec company's building, in a small SSC city not far from the border which goes by the pround name of Rome. Jonhson's in some hurry regarding this task, so I tried to be prompt as well.

Decided not to bring Ares Alpha because border security check (which was a mistake in retrospect), only those I have licenses for on my fake SIN which include Steyr TMP and Ares Predator. Hacker apparently has zero licenses on him so I'll likely be loaning him the SMG and try to roll with my large Dodge pool and an Enfield AS-7.

Currently doing legwork – that is, analyzing target building's astralsec and careless guards' commlink content all while sipping soykaf in our party van stationed across the street. Sec company isn't licensed for F weapons, also according to the GM 90% of them don't carry lethal munitions which isn't bad news. Not having a face sucks, I'm the largest social dice pool in the party with my 6 Con.

>>47647953

I'm running the pinkest of mohawks game set in Poland. I ripped everything from my pals stories (dzięki, Piotr!), replaced intrigue with guns, competence with daring and suspense with explosives. Players are apparently happy with that, and so I'm doodling notes after every session, hoping to turn it into pretty storytime some time later.

I am making a rigger in 5e for the first time, and i am asking myself: what's the sweetspot for Control Rig and RCC when you have Priority A in Money?
Should i get both at max? Or where could i cheap out, because a rating 3 CR and the Proteus Poseidon would cost nearly 2/3 of my money, but i suspect that i could do with less expensive controls.

(On a side note, the game is very pink mohawk, any ideas for gimmicky or particularly fun things that a rigger could do?)

>>47650220
Do you want to pilot a horde of Drones, or drive around a sweet as fuck car more? because thats your answer to which you should upgrade more.

>(On a side note, the game is very pink mohawk, any ideas for gimmicky or particularly fun things that a rigger could do?)
Pilot a horde of Ares Duelists and join them as a Rigger Daimyo.

>>47650256
>Do you want to pilot a horde of Drones, or drive around a sweet as fuck car more? because thats your answer to which you should upgrade more.

That's the question, i am not to sure myself yet, but i am tending towards the drones more, so it would be better to invest in the RCC and only get a rating 1 Rigger control, yes?
(On the other hand going all Mad-Max on Knight Errant would be quite cool, too)

Also, would it be a good investment to trick out my Horseman or would the money be better spent elsewhere??

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Let's talk comfort, chummers.
We do runs. We get shot at. We risk life, limb, feedback, drain, and sometimes sanity.
But at the end of the day, when you're recovering from all those drugs or that force 12 spirit, what do you do? What comforts do you have in your home? What do you spend your money on that isn't prepping for the next run?

For those degenerates who play youngins, what do you spend your money on?

>>47650896
Food that isn't dyed soy. Tastes great, does a body good, and no legal issues or addictiveness or other such concerns.

>>47650872
>rating 1 Rigger control
Control Rig is what you get implanted in your body, the Rigger Control Console (RCC) is your tablet which controls your drones. A Rating 1 Control Rig already gives you a great start on controlling your vehicle when jumped in.

The Horseman is hot garbage for anything besides "looking like a wageslave" or "smuggling something into a wageslave area". A real car lets you bring your drones, your gear, and your chummers' gear around. It really helps you for prepwork and being prepared for most anything. Including Rigger 5.0 means you can turn your car into a death machine. A bike can go fast for cheaper, so thats an option or additional purchase as well.

If you want to drone, the bulk of your Nuyen should go towards getting Fly-Spys/Flying-Eyes and Roto-Drones.Fly-Spys are good for recon and scouting, whereas Roto-Drones can hose people down with suppressing fire and Full-Auto Long Bursts

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>>47650896
Trid and flatvid subscriptions for the very best in cinema, dwarf-sized furniture for the mancave, admittance fees for public parks.

>>47651047
>"smuggling something into a wageslave area"
And that something would be my character, so i basicly have a electric wheelchair cocoon. Or should i rather get the Segway for that?

>>47648404
>Their task in the world is to ruin everything

This bothers me. It's not 'add real world nations, observe consequences', it's 'add evil overlord necromancer skeleton empire that is pointlessly antagonistic to everyone, observe consequences'.

>>47650896

The Digfiltrator: Sending money home to mom and pop. The warm glow of helping my family is all I need! Also, anal beads

The Weabork: Video games, anime, and anime merchandise.

The Witch: Ingredients for soups and devices with which to kill russians.

The Detective: Coffee and BDSM sex toys.

The Cactus: Alchohol, drugs, anything that kills the pain. also industrial vibrators

The Frog: Sun and sea, cozy furniture, fresh fish and pirated bollywood trideo.

The Street Rat: Storage crates, cardboard boxes, thermal blankets, stolen vending machine food and porn magazines.

The Monk: Comfort food from home. Yak butter is surprisingly hard to get once you leave the steppes.

>>47651677
It doesn't count if it's all things you've made up in your head about how you WOULD play characters, anon. You need to actually play a character, live their imperfect life, and then say what the money is actually spent on.

>>47650896
>Cleric--that's not his class, that's his street name
When he isn't working his street-job as a part-time chef for a friend-of-the-old-family's teriyaki place? He works in charities, prays, watches film, reads books, practices his magic, and spends time with his long-term girlfriend.

>>47651755
Also goes on the shooting range and plays paintball. Gotta keep those back-up street sam skills sharp somehow so everyone doesn't look at you and immediately go "MAGE!"

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>>47651740

>>47651784
I know you don't actually play SR, or at least all those characters; I've seen you make several of them in /srg/.

Dreaming up what might happen when you find a game is not a good answer to the question, because it takes place in a perfect world where you don't actually have to decide how to spend money.

>>47650896
>>47651740
>Firearm specced streetsam
T-bird piloting sessions, hunting (as in, real hunting) equipment, cider. He also wants a nice breakfast bar from some decent wood. Pretty boring, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>47651860
>hunting (as in, real hunting) equipment

Please tell me you are saving up for an authentic blade of grass to use as a duck call.

>>47651822
You're forgetting an important rule of SRG: We are black trenchcoat wearing street scum who don't actually play in games.

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>>47651893
Speak for yourself, I have a great table. We'll get together again soon, it's only been two and a half months since the GM was available to run a session.

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>>47651916
I'm my groups' resident GM, and I've been busy because of work the past few weeks.
I'm afraid that it'll fall apart because we haven't been together in a week

>>47651887
Nah, moose are first on my list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4tQK29jDsU

>>47650896
Booze, some cheap takeout from central Touristville, a few trid rentals, some Trix games. Maybe a couple tats, too.

>>47650896
More gardening supplies, first and foremost. Seed, good soil, worms, lady bugs, etc.

More timber to make planters eventually. And I gotta replace that mulcher. It's never been the same since that guy wasn't quiet dead when I threw him in there.

Might get into hydroponics as well. Guess I'll need a skillsoft or something to get me started. There's a few things out of the Amazon I want to try growing.

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>>47651740
I don't understand what you're saying. It all gets rolled up under 'lifestyle cost' in the end, unless you're going in and itemizing everything that your character owns rather than saying 'It's a cheap apartment (Low Lifestyle) with a few notable furnishings'

>>47652118
>things out of the Amazon I want to try growing.
...Bonsai Sangre de Diablo trees?

>>47652236
Yes that as well. The greenhouse could use some self defense.

>>47652296
Be careful with that, probably-a-Dryad runnerbro. Those are invasive species and all.

>>47652311
Can they survive outside the Amazon without help?

We're about to find out.

>>47652178
>he doesn't use advanced Lifestyles

>>47652349
Considering that they spread horrendeously easily, and are practically impossible to kill, I'd say all of Seattle is about to find out. And then get very cross with you.

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>>47633699
The thread is horrendous as well.
>I really love all the fluff you guys shit all over the crunch sections, it's great not being able to use the core ruleset as a reference in one of the crunch-heaviest games around!
>I really love the Jackpointers and all their bullshit writer's pets recurring NPC metaplot drama, lack of gameable plot hooks and pushing your juvenile American politics in my face!
>Freelancers practically masturbating in the thread to this and crying over business decisions stopping 100% fluff books from being made.
I haven't been this disgusted since I last came into contact with RPGnet subhumans.

>>47652392
>using advanced lifestyles

>>47652405
>doing a thing when I do a different thing

>>47652392
>And then get very cross with you.
That might be my plan all along.

>>47652423
>not doing the thing i do

>>47652404
i like the dev/characters commentary and the fluff but i agree, there needs to be a crunch only rulebook.

>>47652433
>doing the thing I don't do

>>47652473
>doing the thing only marginally different from what i do with virtually no real impact on anything that matters

>>47652510
>>47652473
>>47652433
>>47652423
>>47652405
>Aggressively shitposting at other Anons.

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>>47652523
>missing the joke before I could come up with a good response for >>47652510

We were so close.

Well, if my Saturday group ends up falling apart due to aggressive autisim, I'll be recruiting here for baby gm's first shadowrun game

What exactly is a cyberzombie? What happens once you get past that threshold? It isn't explained in 5e, but it seems like it explained in a previous edition?

>>47652634
A cyberzombie isn't something that naturally happens, it's a specific procedure that can be performed on the heavily-cybered that lets them break the essence barrier.

Essentially, for whatever reason, if you reduce a person's essence to zero, they die. There are a lot of metaphysical schools of thought about why this is, and the nature of the soul, essence, humanity, and so on, but the simple rule is that Essence 0 equals dead.

Enter cybermancy. Cybermancy allows someone to survive going to zero and into negative essence. It's dangerous, expensive, and the Cyberzombie that results form the procedure has a -lot- of mental and physical problems from the slow breakdown of their body, but they are scary, dangerous, and easy enough to control, which means people keep making them.

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>>47652634
It's explained more in depth in Chrome Flesh in 5e.

When you put 'ware into a body, you create a rift between the spirit/soul/life-force/whatever and the physical body. When that rift gets too big (because you put too much 'ware in), the body dies.

A cyberzombie is what happens when you make the rift too big, but you use magic to tie the soul to the body. It's tricky, because the soul really doesn't want to be there, but it can be done. What happens is that the person goes incredibly insane. Some corps try to harness these crazy people as elite soldiers, using psychological conditioning and other coercive methods to control them, with limited success -the cyberzombie is incredibly dangerous because they have tons of top-shelf ware, but they're difficult to really control, and their minds are so shattered you can't know what they'll do if left to their own devices. The person usually dies anyways within a few months, either self-caused or because the body was unable to stay together with the soul or because the body just gave out from too many implants.

But corps keep trying, partially because they want super-soldiers and partially because the advances they make while creating cyberzombies helps them make better ware overall.

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How does a "dog-brain" controlled drone know the difference between enemy, civilian, and friend?

"When faced with something novel or unexpected, or a complicated command, a Pilot program must make a Device Rating x 2 Test against a threshold set by the gamemaster based on how confusing the situation is. If it fails this test, it blithely continues doing what it was doing before, or simply stops entirely and asks for instructions." - core 5ed p269

So this means if a rigger sends a drone to take down "all the moving targets is that hallway" and the drone in question meets an escaping civilian or a dog, kaboom?

>>47652634
>>47652732

To answer more directly:

A cyberzombie is a metahuman or other creature that has been excessively augmented AND THEN undergone a specific procedure to put them to negative essence while still being 'alive'.

Once the threshold into full cyberzombiehood is crossed, things get Pretty Bad. Hazing the astral is just the start of it, mental illness is extremely common for Cyberzombies.

>>47652759
Source on that gif?

>>47652790
>he hasn't seen robocop 2

.>>47652761
>So this means if a rigger sends a drone to take down "all the moving targets is that hallway" and the drone in question meets an escaping civilian or a dog, kaboom?

Yes. That's what you told it to do, and it's going to interpret that in a fairly literal fashion. It's not an intelligent being that can make judgement calls, unlike a jumped-in-rigger, Sprite, or AI.

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>>47652761
>So this means if a rigger sends a drone to take down "all the moving targets is that hallway" and the drone in question meets an escaping civilian or a dog, kaboom?

Pretty much. Unless the drone is also programmed with higher-level directives like, "Don't shoot people broadcasting Ares IDs", if you tell the machine to kill everyone in a place, it's going to kill everyone in a place.

>>47652803
Don't shame him for that, it's a good thing.

>>47652732
>>47652759
>>47652769

Makes sense. I was unaware of the procedure involving cybermancy. I thought it was something that just happens at 0 or past it. Thanks, chummers.

Newish player here. So, in 4e, when I was spooking around inside a secure warehouse, I used my comlink and my subvocal message was picked up by security monitaring outgoing broadcasts. Fair enough, but what I want to know is: how do I get messages out to people in ways that won't trigger alarms. Can shortwave walkie talkies be picked up by security systems? Am I just going to have to rely on light and mirror signals if I want to communicate safely with the non-stealth characters or people spooking the shadows with me?

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Seeing as how the fluff in 5th is utterly fucked and the crunch isn't that much better, what's a good alternative system for running Shadowrun that isn't as rules heavy?
Hell what's a good Cyberpunk system in general while we're at it, fantasy or not.

>>47652843
I've heard that GURPS is good for Cyberpunk, and probably by extension Shadowrun.

>>47652843

The only alternatives I know of are cyberpunk 2020 and GURPS. And GURP is, well, GURPS.

You could also do some tinkering on the O.R.E. (One Roll Engine) system that's used for Wildtalents, but eh.. That might be too rules light.

>>47652829
Magic?

>>47652843
Supposedly there's a rules-light version coming at GenCon. God knows what the quality will be.

>>47652843
Is it really that bad? Coming from pathfinder, asides from the book editing, it seems to work out fine.

In 5e Sum-to-10/Priority, Orks, Dwarves, and Trolls get a serious kick in the dick if you want to play them, especially as anything awakened/emerged. Anyone try homebrewing/houseruling something for the guy who wants to play an Ork Adept using Sum-to-10?

>>47652915
Sum-to-10 isn't that hard, especially for something like an orc adept.

If not, karmagen.

>>47652759
Why would the corps want cyberzombie super-soldiers that are unstable, kill-crazy, and suicidal, when they could spend far fewer resources just making, for example, a squad of soldiers that are individually less capable but are cheaper and can work together as a team, and aren't a complete PR nightmare? Or a tank? Why don't we see more goddamn tanks?!

>>47652885
B-but i'm not a wizard, anon.

>>47652909

There's a lot of bullshit that can bog down play if you play it exactly by the book. It seems a lot of people use various house rules to make gameplay actually bearable.

>>47652949
Have you decker hack some shit into existence. A sub frequency or channel on an other innocuous frequency.

Otherwise, talk in code. Shadowrun's version of CB radio would work really well.

>>47652942
Tech evolution. You can't work out the bugs you can't foresee if you don't build it.
Also, lolnuyen. AA/AAA corporations can afford to fund shit that may only tangentially provide useful applications.

>>47652843
Savage Worlds: Interface Zero 2.0.
>>47652890
Knowing Catalyst Labs writers it'll be a FATE hack with half the rules dealing with gender reassignment surgery and the perils of AI with body dysmorphic disorder.

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>>47652843
I use this and the cyber stuff from OpenD6: Space.

>>47652909
>coming from Pathfinder
You'll feel right at home wasting hours on monotone combat the first time you get to count an opposed combat roll.

>>47653023
What possible purpose could a cyberzombie serve that a purpose-built combat drone could not?

>>47653056
Terror.

Cyberzombies are fucking scary.

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>>47652942
Because when it does work, it works really well. You insert one guy into a situation (relatively inconspicuous compared to rolling around a full HTR goonsquad), he can take out even skilled sammies and initiated adepts in combat, and he will carry out whatever is required with none of those pesky morals that trouble other men. And it's not a PR problem, because the corp has no idea who this guy is, where he came from or what he's doing, obviously is someone else's mess and that's how it's spun.

Although I should point out that there's no reason that cyberzombies should work alone. Aztechnology has kill teams made one one guy on the edge of CZ (or possibly over the edge) and a highly initiated mage partner that are brutally effective.

>>47653056
Thinking. Dog-brains are no good for making decisions and weighing all the options. The entire point of a cyberzombie is that he's supposed to be able to think things through and act in the smartest way, not get flummoxed when things don't meet his exact programming.

Doesn't always work out, but that's progress for you.

>Hell what's a good Cyberpunk system in general while we're at it, fantasy or not.
Corporation RPG.
Playing as Runners for the Big Five Corps.

>>47653038

Looking up SW:IZ2 now. Reviews are painting it in a good light. Never played SW though. Got some digging to do I guess.

>>47653141

So, Syndicate?

>>47653067
So is a combat drone. Especially if it's being piloted by a cyborg brain.

>>47653173
>Cyborg Brain

Wait, wouldn't that fall under an essence problem if you're throwing brains in braincases?

>>47653153
>So, Syndicate?
Pretty much.

>>47653173
Because cyberzombies are typically stronger and both they and full-body combat cyborgs fuck with awakened people in a way that drones can't.

On top of that, the fucking terminators tend to be pretty capable of making intuitive people decisions and are capable of solving problems in ways that drones ordinarily can't as well.

Also you don't have a cyberzombie on the payroll. They're REALLY deniable assets.

>>47652974
Anything I can do to make it better offhand?
>>47653055
Can't you get dice apps for that?

>>47653056
Chummer, I ...

>tangentially provide useful applications

Think about things like getting velcro out of the space program, and try to derp less.

>>47653193
Nope, braincases leave the brain at 0.1 Essence. It's stable.

>>47653225
>Because cyberzombies are typically stronger and both they and full-body combat cyborgs fuck with awakened people in a way that drones can't.

I dunno, pumping bullets into Awakened people tends to fuck with them.

>On top of that, the fucking terminators tend to be pretty capable of making intuitive people decisions and are capable of solving problems in ways that drones ordinarily can't as well.

Cyberzombies are typically mad with pain and very difficult to control because of their miserable existence. Cyberzombies also don't make good deniable assets since only a handful of laboratories on the planet are even capable of making one, and the collateral damage they cause when they inevitably go haywire would cause people to start investigating.

Combat cyborgs are much more stable, much more sane, and much cheaper, so you can make more of them. There's no reason to really make a cyberzombie apart from sheer cruelty.

>>47652829
Sounds like a job for encryption or just having a hacker subvert control of the building-in-question's security node. How he does that is entirely up to him, of course.

Or just use magic.

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>>47653327
Yes, cyborgs are better than cyberzombies. And, yes, cyborgs are the ones that corps usually use. Cyberzombies are typically done on accident.

I guess now I should ask--which media are you reading that has corporations making the cyberzombies instead of cyborgs? Because the only excuse I can see for that one is getting the bugs out to see where the fine line between cyberzombie and full-body combat cyborg lay.

Because mechanically AND fluff-wise, until you figure out the bit about making the proper braincase, there's a decent amount of room for experimentation.

Step 1) Find shadow spirit
Step 2) Make pact with Shadow spirit
Step 3) Upgrade it into Greater Shadow Spirit (6+ hits) to get the Endowment Power and Energy Drain(Force)
Step 4) Have shadow spirit endow you with Energy Drain(Force).
Step 5) More force.

Is there anything wrong with this, asides ethically?

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>>47653327
>Cyberzombies also don't make good deniable assets since only a handful of laboratories on the planet are even capable of making one, and the collateral damage they cause when they inevitably go haywire would cause people to start investigating.

Do you know what labs? Who owns them? Even what continent they are on? They're called 'black labs' for a reason, chummer. And no one is going to investigate and get far, because the only people who could carry out the investigation to a successful conclusion are the very corps who have a vested interest in maintaining everyone's dirty little secrets, not running to the cattle and spooking them into doing something hasty like not purchasing products. As far as the public is concerned, any public display is just some guy with cyberpsychosis who was brought down by the good folks at [LOCAL SECURITY CORP]. Cyberzombies aren't a real thing to them.

Also, really splitting hairs with the 0.1 Essence thing. Corps do use augmented soldiers as their everyday forces, and even for the vast majority of their elite troops. Cyberzombies are literally less than a dozen worldwide, because they are unstable and not worth producing in volume, but when you're investing in testing metahuman limits for 'ware anyways you might as well make as much from your investment as possible.

>>47653464
PCs don't have a Force stat?

>>47653486
Well, except for Free Spirits, of course, but who the fuck does that, r-right?

>>47653475
You could use them as a weapon.

Create a dozen or so, unleash them when and where you want. Great diversion for doing something else while the Cyberzombies keep all eyes on them.

>>47653519
If all you want is a messy diversion, just have an unguarded truck full of Jazz head down a highway patrolled by a go-gang. A lot cheaper and easier to do.

>>47653556
Style points.

Also, Cyberzombies are roughly humanoid shaped. That comes with a lot of benefits when dealing with cities.

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>>47653475
>They're called 'black labs' for a reason, chummer.

>>47653486
>>47653464
Sorry, my mind was somewhere else.
Essence Drain(Magic).
More magic for your mage.

>>47653327
>Nope, braincases leave the brain at 0.1 Essence. It's stable.

Is this from CF or something you're pulling out of your ass

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In the "Small Mercies" section of today's /srg/, this bit from the 'positivity thread'.

I don't mind a setting sourcebook, something that actually expands on the universe even if it doesn't have mechanics in it, but I can think of nothing worse than a book full of canonized fanfic MSN Messenger chatlogs.

Also, maybe the reason why the "10 ___" books sold poorly was because they were garbage. Some of them, like 10 Jackpointers and 10 Terrorists, were just jerking off about 2cool character concepts. 10 Mercs at least made about half of the content usable in a game.

>>47653556
>unguarded truck full of Jazz
Kamakaze or better, omae. Jazz has too short of a kick, and doesn't let you lift motorcycles over your head to use as melee weapons.

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>>47653809
Good point. After all, it's the corps who own the factories that make the drugs, I'm sure they can cut themselves a bulk discount.

>>47653717
It's from 4e's Augmentation.

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>>47652982
>shadowrun's version of CB radio

My desire to know more has intensified to the point where I may not be able to contain it

>>47653981
An innocuous frequency that can be accessed by anyone within a certain area.

I'd imagine somewhere it's used almost exclusively by Shadowrunners, I mean we've already got code names and our own jargon. Dial up the jargon a few notches and its code.

>>47653981
>>47654153
>accessed by anyone within a certain area
5e: signal goes to specific commlinks or other micro transceivers only.

>>47654245
Are you saying that its impossible in SR?

>>47653153
>followup

My god. Interface Zero is written so competently. It's obviously no Shadowrun in terms of depth of crunch, but the layout, the editing, the clarity! Talk about a breath of fresh air.

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>>47654363
I remember going on a Shadowrun kick and reading all the SR5 books back to back last year.

When I finally finished and started reading the 2e WFRP core, in preparation for a campaign of that, it was like seeing the face of God.

>>47654296
No, I'm saying that a micro transceiver (wireless off, specifically) "lets you communicate by voice with other micro-transceivers and commlinks that you (and the other person) choose, within a kilometer".

No listening in unless you turn the wireless on.

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So I have been trying to get into Cyberpunk books


Are they shadowrun books good? Any other recommendations?

>>47654698
>>47654698
>any other recommendations?
It's going to sound odd, but check out the 2D Storytime in the mediafire. It's genuinely good stuff, and gives a very solid accounting of Shadowrun.

>>47654698
Nigel Findley's SR novels aren't bad imo, and give somewhat detailed view of the setting. Also, the Sprawl trilogy, of course.

Question.
How the fuck does real world naevitae work on a medically trained AI?
I need examples to jog my thinkbox

Hey chummers,
I'm going to be GMing a 4e game and could use some help.
It's my first(ish) time GMing and I could use some campaign ideas and general tips, especially for generating small runs.

Its going to be very pink-Mohawk, and while 2 of my players are relatively professional, the other 2 are very "kill first ask questions never". I ran a small preview session to get a feel for how it was going to go, and I may need to kill their first characters to get them to kick the habit.
We're all friends with a pretty relaxed dynamic, so I'm not concerned about punishing them for being dumb, but I do also want them to not try and play murderhobos.


Also, if anyone still has that cache of pre made characters, that would help me a ton.

>>47654698
If you haven't already, Neuromancer is fantastic, and the basis for all cyberpunk we have today. Most Shadowrun terms are torn straight from the book actually.

>>47652843
Cyberpunk 2020

Hey, this is the first time I've even come into one of these threads, but I've always been interested in SR. Anyway, I wanted to ask a few questions before I get to far reading and make myself want to run SR for my group.

1. Is their an easy way to remember or easier way to get through all the rules?

2. Is their anything that should be limited at chargen?

3. Would a set u

I always wonder what does a 6 rating Enemy rating look when you piss off a bunch of hobos. How can Hobos ruin a Runner's day?

>>47656979
Sorry, the post auto went as I typed.

3. Would a set up of me planning out the jobs and the areas/NPCs that would be involved in the job and letting the players plan on their own be a good set up? Thinking of this as a game to play in between other games, to take breaks from the others.

4. Are all PC's SINless if they don't take the Negative Quality about it?

Any other advice would be appreciated as well.

>>47656995
do you know HOW MANY HOBOS runners have to interact with on a regular basis?
Hobos are the glue that holds the world together. They are everywhere. They have all the information, and can prey on you the instant you become unconscious in an unattended area.

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>>47656979
>>47657025
>1
Check out some of the documents in our pastebin. It includes a few cheat-sheets, and there's a folder of shortcuts and cheat-sheets in the rule-book mediafire link.

>2
I'm under the impression that most things that should be limited already are either through flat rules like you needing a quality to get an F-ranked item or how much karma it takes to get other shit (like being a drake).

>3
I'm sorry, I don't understand that english. Don't mean to be an ass.

>4
I believe so. In order to have a SIN, you need to have the quality that gives you a SIN. Keep in mind that if your characters gets a SIN in-game, they don't need to spend the karma to get the quality; the plot would just theoretically require they are given one.

>>47657165
>Hobos are the glue that holds the world together. They are everywhere. They have all the information, and can prey on you the instant you become unconscious in an unattended area.
A runner with dozens of hobo contacts would be pretty cool to see or even run with.

Not a pretty person, speaks plainly, but is the best face because they have all the information.

Technically an ordained Minister. The Soup Kitchen is a front for an information clearing house.

>>47657025
>3
Sure, planning's an inherent plan of any shadowrun (unless you're playing pink mohawk, so group's enthusiasm will depend on players tastes).

>>47653741
Technically no reason it can't work, but effectively creating a yama king isn't going to end well for you. That said, I'd be surprised if any GM you tried to run this past didn't just slap you down.
>>47656571
Difficulty recognising emotions that aren't directly related to a medical issue, maybe? Over-reaction to things that could be medical issues, but are standard behavioural tics. 'I can see that you've been clenching and unclenching your left hand for the last five minutes. I'm concerned you may have Parkinson's jaundice. Please wait while I administer the nerve-shunt to verify.'

Think Curie from Fallout 4.
http://violentmedic.tumblr.com/post/134193676745/fallout-4-curies-dialogue-with-other-companions
>>47653741
So far the highlight of the thread's been the guy that realised he's in love with an ork and decided to be one.

So I am very new to Shadowrun, but I've always been a fan of the animal companion from fantasy games. Wolves, dogs, bears, what have you. Is there any way to have a dog companion (maybe even cyberdog?) in Shadowrun?

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>>47657332
Kind of. The newest book, Howling Shadows, provides rules for training and modifying animals to do your bidding. There are unfortunately no prices listed, because the developers thought that runners should have to capture their own animals. People from reddit made a table for animal prices, based on 1¥ equalling 1 cheeseburger and making a bunch of calls to animal smugglers.
That's here: >>47634791

How has the illuminati done in shadowrun?
It seems that whole "one world government" thing is having trouble.
Do you think GMs would let me have contacts with various illuminati members and cells?

>>47657441
To my knowledge, the corporate court is the closest thing to the illuminati unless you want to start a magical society.

>>47657450
but they're all opposed to each other.

>>47657441
We have the Corporate Court, and that's running pretty strong. Or are you trying to imply an Illuminati beyond the CC? If so that would be neat, if a bit odd.

Also maybe? If you're a runner, it depends on how high you are.

>>47657332
Drones have dog-level intelligence (or greater, depending on the Pilot rating), can be customized to look realistic, and can take personality programs that develop unique quirks.

Companion spirits are also rad. Our group's face went through a trial to earn himself a white wolf spirit. It wears a plate carrier and wraparound mirror shades.

>>47657476
see, the way I'm figuring it, the illuminati would be pretty down and out once shadowrun comes around, with the rise of disparate corporate powers.

So the runner would be in contact with whatever illuminati members hadn't already been scrubbed clean or gone to ground to hide from the corporate court.

Hopefully it will also have the GM giving me mysterious side missions during jobs.

>>47657478
>Drones have dog-level intelligence (or greater, depending on the Pilot rating)
Equal to some adults, as of R5.

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>>47657530
I hate to sound like I'm shooting down your idea, but why would this person be working with you outside of the CC? Realistically speaking, any real Illuminati is going to be folded into the CC because these are two parties who want the power--the Illuminati would want to keep it, and the CC would be powerful enough to contest them. Bringing the Illuminati into the CC would empower both.

It's not an inherently bad idea, but why would this Illuminati member NOT be a part of the Court?

>>47657573
I am under the impression they have been deposed our ousted of power in some way shape or form during all the government shakeups and power changes that came with the magic and dragons and shit.

Unless they are REALLY, REALLY GOOD at illuminati-ing and predicted the sixth world, I feel this is pretty likely.

And it won't be just one illuminati contact, several of them will be illuminati. Not just big wigs either. Everymen, minor reporters, mechanics who know how to bug something, strange librarians.

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How would you make non-summoned spirits treat a runner with this quality? How about Shadow/Toxic/Other spirits?

>>47657530
>mysterious side missions
You sound like you would REALLY like The Exchange.

>>47657924
>How would you make non-summoned spirits treat a runner with this quality?

No difference as a whole. Individual Spirits might be a little grumpy/unwilling to communicate because "Hey, it's one of those weird meatbags again...", but that's it.

How about Shadow/Toxic/Other spirits?
Those are tortured, perverted creatures that either can only find solace in or thrive on the desecration they cause. Attack anything on sight is a common behavior for the majority of Toxic Spirits.

>>47657993
with even a modicum of research, it seems like I do

>>47658021
You can summon toxic/shadow spirits with that ritual who's name escape me, no?

I know Spirit champion exists, but I'm trying to make a character that's valuable to the spirit world.

>>47658080
You mean the Calling ritual? Conceptually, you certainly could adapt it to call a Toxic.

Practically, it might be a little harder. Toxic paraphernalia will be hazardous to your continued existence. And while the Spirit must appear and at least attempt to negotiate, he is in no way forced to seal any bargain.

Shadow Spirits might be easier to partner with. Ultimately, as long as you give it enough feeding opportunities, it'll be enclined to stick around.

>>47652392
> practically impossible to kill
I bet the UCAS and Federated Boeing would both be willing to spend the money to cleans Seattle if it came to that. Fed-Boe would be finished as a company and could do nothing to stop a takeover by by any of the other large aerospace players without Seattle, and the UCAS would no longer have any ports in the Pacific, and the next closest option for basing those supercarriers is Halifax.

>>47658256
Good opportunity to clean the Barrens out once and for all on top of that.

>>47653056
Drones are dump, expensive, vulnerable to hacking and electronic warfare, bulky to transport, have next to no defense against awakened threats, and in most cases are physically frail. Cyberzombies are smart, immune to hacking and ewar, significantly smaller in volume of the same combat potential, physically resilient beyond anything short of tanks, and are highly resistant to magic, although they are extremely expensive to make and maintain.

>>47653463
>Cyberzombies are typically done on accident.
Nope, not even close, it takes a team of specialized doctors and surgeons, a cabal of powerful magi with access to specific meta magics and rituals, and millions of nuyen of deltaware to make one. Its slightly more likely that someone builds a nuclear submarine by mistake than a Cyberzombie.

Why are cyberzombies magical and drones are not?
Why can we not simply use whatever dark magic is used to empower cyberzombies on a drone?
I'm sure 666 dead virgins sacrificed to the great mecha godzilla would give it some dire power.

>>47658406
I did that once.
Feds were very angry and confiscated my would-be barbeque.

>>47658408
Go read the "Augmentation" 4e sourcebook, it has the answers for all your questions.

>>47658453
It answers them about as satisfactorily as the setting in general answers questions about essence.
Not satisfyingly at all and almost strictly for balance reasons.

>>47658408
Because cyberzombies have a soul in them and drones don't.

>>47658467
You prefer fanon Random Joe #29544674 pulls out of his ass on an anonymous imageboard?

>>47658495
Honestly?
Kind of. It's hard to get worse than what more recent shadowruns have done to essence.

>>47658492
Question.
If the entire point of a cyberzombie operation is sticking a soul on something that shouldn't have a soul, why do you need the meat parts at all?

>>47658467
You can't store metahuman essence in anything but a living metahuman body, which a cyber zombie and cyborg still contain, but a drone inherently dose not (it would then be, by definition, become a cyborg or a manned craft rather than a drone).

>>47658526
its keeping a soul in something that shouldnt have a soul anymore.

>>47658526
Because the meat parts are where you source the soul from in the first place and where you house what is left of the soul in your abomination.

>>47658526
You don't "add" a soul to a cyberzombie. You use technovoodoo to keel the soul from escaping when it should have skedaddled several implants ago.

>>47658549
>>47658537
>>47658536
well, yeah. Take the soul out of the meat, put it in the machine.

>>47658526
To hold the essence in. Why do you need a battery to hold electricity in a car when you have a perfectly good gas tank, trunk and passenger compartment?