EDH/Commander General

>>47583657
>And then there's white EDH players, and their life is pain.
Poor fuckers

What do they even get? Mentor of the Meek, Mind's Eye and Staff of Nin?

>>47584051
My favorite parts about white decks is the Scroll Rack Land Tax engine to dig through my deck, but there really isn't a good reason to play mono white unless you REALLY want to run the chose a colour mana doublers.

>>47584051
>>47584075
Armistice isn't as bad as people think. Inheritance is good too.

But honestly, Mind's Eye and Staff do a lot of work.

Has there been any new innovations in the Shadowborn Apostles deck since Oath and Innistrad?

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Any tips for a startind deck for someone coming from Yu-Gi-Oh looking to get into Commander? Would be much appreciated.

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DJ Rafiq bringing da beatz here.
Reminder that commander is only for fun :^)

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mimeoplasm-infectious-mill/

After I took some time to cool off because my group is a bunch of vengeful fags, I remade this shit. Tell me about it /tg/

>>47584210
One of last year's Commander preconstructed decks, but not the RW one.

>>47584269
I made the mistake of getting RW.
Best 40 dollar sol ring I've ever bought.

>>47584307
Blade of Selves is actually a good card for EDH.

>>47584200
Not really. Atheros is pretty good and let's oh run less apostles because of his hand recursion

>>47584334
Yeah but most of my decks depend on the commander, so I've have to change it up to add that.

>>47584412
Blade is great with commander-centric decks, assuming it's the right one. Shit gets exponential with any ETB general.

Thinking on building Pillow Fort Cromat because my group doesn't like my aggressive decks.

>>47584200
Vampiric Rites
Westvale Abbey
Warping Wail
Matter Reshaper
Endbringer

Sifter of Skulls maybe
Asylum Visitor maybe
Skeleton Key maybe

If you're playing white:
Bygone Bishop
Open the Armory for your 'clamp
Eerie Interlude maybe
Hanweir Militia Captain maybe
Ayli maybe

>>47584506
>Skeleton Key maybe
Whoops, meant to remove that. Mask of Memory looks ten times better and I'd still hesitate to run either.

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>>47584200
I started running Pious Evangel // Wayward Disciple for another Blood Artist effect

>>47584553
Skeleton Key is useful in specific places (where you want the Skulk, like Vela ninja tribal, which has both magpies and wants to be unblocked all the time). Mask is actually really pretty decent in anything with a decent amount of equipment. Mono-white really likes Mask of Memory, since it provides draw, filtering, and white is a great equipment color.

> want to play gheist for tiny/ Edh
> reading different builds and most build him voltron
> want to go Aggro with some co trol
Is ghiest only good if you wanna go voltron or can Aggro be decent also?

>>47584214
Rafiq pls go

This pain in the ass legend is the commander most likely to kill you from commander damage:

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>>47584666
While that may be true, Satan, the original poster was talking about a Shadowborn Apostle deck. He should have many better CA options than the key or mask, like the clamp. And that's just equipment.

>>47584770
Kaseto?

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>group gets so mad about my Voltron decks that they tell me I have to play with a creature-heavy deck next time

>>47585037
Play Soulbond Voltron and wreck them anyway

>>47585037
Exalted is creature heavy.

>>47585086
Rafiq is the only Exalted commander worth a damn, right?

>>47585051
I sort of do this with Skullbriar

I also think him coming out T1 led to a few cases of the feel-bads

>>47585192
Yep. He gets you all the best Exalted Colors and sweet sweet doublestrike exalted commander dammage. Make him unblockable, win the game.

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Hey friends, could you please give this deck a look over and tell me if there's shit I need to tune? Thanks babes.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-06-16-feldon-edh/

Pic unrelated

>>47585230
How'd you manage to get him out turn one?

>>47585407
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-06-16-feldon-edh/
Hmmm I have mixed feelings about this deck.

Have you used it? What do you like and dislike about it in general? I can see a couple of very effective strategies, but it seems pretty janky tbqh.

>>47584861
Look, in a busy man, lots of Rafiq players to torture for all time, I can't be bothered to notice shit like that.

(Sorry apostleanon, didn't notice)

>>47584051
Now there's stone haven outfitter and bygone bishop to add to white's options of conditional draw.

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Guys, I need some advice on my Sidisi deck.

I like the theme of tutoring on what play style I would be doing on the game, from either super casual - Tutoring Erebos then go from there or tutoring Doomsday for a janky wincon.

The part where I need the advice is, what card from my list to make my Doomsday wincon more viable or even competitive?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/danse-macabre-4/

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>>47585801
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/danse-macabre-4/
Why aren't you running mike's trike? Doomsday mike's trike and you win the game if your opponent can't answer it.

>>47585850
While I ironically added Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond on this deck as one of the possible Doomsday combination, I initially ran this deck as the meme MikeTrike EDH deck at first.

I was pulling wins out of nowhere to the point that even I thought it was too cheap and removed Triskelion out completely and changed the deck itself.

>>47584051
Well, from what I've seen, skullclamp has done the most work

>>47567134
Hey Feldon guy from the last thread, can you post your custom playmat?

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>>47585407
Ah shit anon, Feldon is my husbando.

I'll give some suggestions on your tappedout.

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>>47586465
That is my custom playmat, because I have no talent. I tried just inputting the basic Feldon image, but it's dimensions are wrong for playmats, and it was cutting off sweet parts of the art. So I added black boxes and some text, which involved a 2 hour odyssey because I am nearly computer illiterate and have essentially no experience with digital art and editing. I started on paint, and when that failed I downloaded gimp and flailed at it for over an hour until I got that.

It actually looks really nice on the playmat, though. The simple black bars work nicely on th mat because the scene is already framed by some darker areas.

For further demonstration of my child-like ability to use art software, here is the image of my meta.

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>>47586556
Your artskills could be far worse, but next time just use a bigger font.

>Could finish another EDH deck
>Or I could get more pieces for a legacy deck
Truly a painful decision.

>>47586584
I couldn't figure out how to make the text bigger in paint.

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>>47586721

>>47586740

_____________fuck________

>>47586584
There's a charm to it, imo.

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>>47584037
I'm doing a rework of Call the Spirits and I need your help to find the most retarded cards to put into it.

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>blow out all the creatures a couple times so the sliver player doesn't just explode and win
>one of those times the other players had a handful of creatures they liked out
>they all gang up on me because I exiled the things they liked
>then the sliver player bowls them over

>>47586924
Ethereal armor is an auto-include in every enchantment deck.
I like stuff like Brilliant Halo and Fallen Ideal in the deck, since they bounce to your hand.
Ghostly Prison, Greater Auramancy are standard includes and maybe the Constellation -1/-1 giant.

>>47582734
Is there any chance you have another one?
Because that link is 404.

>>47587109
Thanks, anon, will look into those.

>>47584770
Is it Kaseto? For most of my friends, it's Kaseto.

>>47585037
I've heard that myself.

>>47585459
Land-Sol Ring-Mana Vault-Golgari Signet

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>Enchanting myself with Paradox Haze
>Azor's Elocutors with a counter already
>Martial Law on the field

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>Order from TCG player
>All of my cards are in one package, but one.
>TCG couldn't lump the one card into the package and defers it to some random ass store.
>Whatever, should be fine.
>Send out the order.
>Day later I get a message after the TCG package is shipped.
>It's from the store.
>It says "Lol sorry we have no idea where that card is that we're trying to sell."
>Get a refund (which I'm not complaining about.)
>Literally one card missing from my new deck now.
>Mfw

>>47588754
Sorry hombre

What card is missing?

>>47584051
Artifacts.
I've also done some neat tricks with oblation on my own stuff

>>47588905
Sphinx Ambassador.
It's a crucial part of my new Sphinx's Game Show deck.

>>47589090
>Sphinx's Game Show
This I need to see

>>47586924
Promise of Bunrei.

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>>47589336
This is the main tech of the deck. The rest is decent flyers to tutor for, like Avacyn. It's a pretty casual deck right now. Just need to find more potent and spicy tech for it as time goes on.

>>47589355
While I see why you are running reveal hand effects, I think you should just add more bouncers.
You will know their hand after first Esperia trigger anyways.

>>47589355
That looks fun

>>47589355
Master of Predicaments nonbos hard with Wandering Eye, there's nothing else like Telepathy on UW?

>>47589355
Add wheels like timespiral and days undoing. If you dont like your opponents hand you can say fuck it to the game so far and start over without that bullshit in their hand.

Damnation is literally never getting a reprint, is it?

>>47589491
There's Glasses of Urza, which is only target player, but it's still good. I'm probably going to replace Wandering Eye with Jace's Archivist so I can be like "That's a pretty sweet hand you have there. Too nice in fact."

>>47589508
Wait for MM3 :^)

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>>47589355
A lot of work & mana for a conditional tutor, but seems fun.

I'd run this as a Azorius Control/Toolbox with as many utility flying creatures I could find.

Things like Nevermore, Declaration of Naught, Meddling Mage will be great in this. Voidstone Gargoyle will be all time MVP.


>>47589398
I'd keep wandering eye, but cut the rest

>>47589508
Nope! Can't upset those investors!

I want to make a Splice Onto Arcane EDH deck.
How impossible is my task?

>>47589707
Not that much, there are enough UR splice cards you can put on a Mizzix deck so the costs aren't exorbitant and Petals of Insight helps a lot in the deck.

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>tfw gonna play EDH and drink beer with friends tomorrow

>>47584249
Anyone at all?

>>47589761
>tfw moved to Nashville two months ago and haven't found a new group yet
Socializing is hard, why can't my roommates pick up the game like last time TT_TT

>>47589707
Sounds difficult, but make sure to go infinite with Izzet Guildmage, Desperate Ritual, and Psychic Puppetry

>Building Sen Triplets
>Sacrifice, Planeswalker / "on-board" control focus
>Win cons include Sanguine/Exquisite combo, Exsanguinate/DttD for game, otherwise token swarm or flyer beatdown.

It plays pretty fun, and it doesn't catch much heat early so you can quietly piece together combos.

Falters when somebody fucks with the mana base though.

Anyone got any recommendations?

>>47585037
>getting mad about voltron
why? It's so bad.

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>>47586556

>>47590534
Because they got the shit kicked out of them. Both decks got the nut draw and they couldn't keep up

>>47590472
Sorry for the slightly off topic question, my group has been convinced that sanguine/exquisite combo results in a tie , not a win, because something about the combo never coming to a stop? Or it going on forever because you can't choose to stop it? Is there any truth to that ?

>>47589974
But you don't cast the copies, isn't splice a cast trigger?

>>47591167
It can stop, It has to target an opponent and therefore if there are no opponents the ability becomes countered on the stack. A player losing the game does not use the stack obviously and is instantaneous as they reach 0 life.

>>47591167

104.3b If a player’s life total is 0 or less, he or she loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

As soon as the player can react to a sanguine/blood proc (ie it being on the stack) and they are at 0 or lower life they lose, in older editions it checked life totals at the end of phase, perhaps this is what they were thinking

>>47591179
Nothing in that combo gives a shit if you cast it.

You cast the Ritual with psychic puppetry's "You may tap or untap target permanent." spliced onto it. So the ritual reads "Gain 3 red mana, untap or tap target permanent". Now you copy that spell with the guildmage. So for 3 mana you get another one. Now when the copy resolves, you get your three mana returned to you, but you can also untap a land, netting you +1 mana. Now copy again. Rinse and repeat.

>>47591247
>>47591270

Ooh, thanks guys

>>47591167
It does stop, since state based actions are checked in between both the triggers. It's not technically infinite combo, since it ends when only one player is alive.
Anyway, it's like this, opponent loses life, Exquisite Blood notices "oh shit time to gain some life" and after the life is gained, Sanquine Bond triggers, and life loss triggers. Life loss triggers the life gain and so on. State based actions are checked in between the triggers, and that means players die.
>tl;dr your playgroup doesn't know how to read. If it would end in tie, how would the combopieces' triggers work?

>>47591312
Posting just so I can get it to stop autoadding a damn name to my posts. Keep forgetting.

>>47591312
Oh, right. Didn't even think of it that way. I might be retarded, sorry.

>>47591374
Meh, we can all miss little things, no worries.

>>47589355
You're missing the card draw pump sphinx

Any decent Bu commanders that are NOT mill focused?

>want to make Tsabo Tavoc horror tribal

Viable?

>>47591567
Sygg river cutthroat

>>47591567
Dralnu, Sygg, Vela, Dragonlord Silumgar, Grimgrin, Regular Silumgar, and Oona(if you play combo instead of mill)

>>47586740
It's that number 10, change that to change the font size ya dingus.

What's the most niche counterspell or removal spell? Is it Nix?

I have many edh decks, like 20.

Inb4 these lists I bring today aren't your typical decks but doesn't mean they suck.

Im quite fond of my Vanilla generals. My decklists were inspired by:

An exciting pauper Sivitri deck which you can check here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ffd6px5jOg

Jasmine Boral by topandgoproductios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgdk_Xa3m-o

Topandgoproductions video on Jasmine inspired me to build a deck which told a story around a general. I chose The Lady of the Mountain, the deck is on WIP, you can check its development here: My most recent wip deck:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/685236-the-lady-of-the-mountain

Be sure to leave ideas if you have them!

>>47591567
Check edhleague website to see a list off BU generals and make a choice based on your preferences

>>47586924
NO MERCY

>>47591980

disgusting

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>>47591879
Either this or Ertai's Trickery in my opinion.

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here's my first shot at a superfriends deck. thoughts?
I thik i should throw in a few more lands what do you think?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lets-play-with-our-friends/

>>47589761

Hell yeah. Buddies are coming over tomorrow for the same. Can't wait to run Zurgo Dickslapper

>>47592867
Buddies refuse to play edh because they don't want to buy commanders and the games take to long.
So I made a blue control deck and force them to play games where they play their entire deck and then I win when there's like ten cards left. I said id keep playing the deck till they make edh decks.

>>47591567
Wydwen. You will never pay the commander tax as long as you don't tap out.

>>47591567
Grimgrin, Corpse Born zombie tribal with Rooftop Storm and Gravecrawler or possibly Nantuko Husk with a blade of selves

>>47594075
>they don't want to buy commanders
What the fuck

Then what do they play with? Do they just crack packs and hope for legendaries?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mizzix-found-her-toys/
feedback appreciated

>>47589355
Dude that sucks sphinx ambassador is so much god damn fun. Have you considered adding clash effects to your deck? Just to add to the "game" theme

>>47589355
looks fun, just don't forget that even a casual deck needs ramp and a bit of instant speed removal.

>>47594463
I assume that they play a different format.

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Rules question, if I sacrifice Hunted Horror in response to its trigger, can I prevent the opponent from getting the tokens?

>>47595209
No. The ability exists independent from its source.

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>>47595231
Thanks

>>47595209
Of course not. Only ways to prevent it are Torpor orb effects and stifle effects.

>>47591645

No

But you knew that already

And you'll build it anyway

>>47595200
Poor bastards

>>47589942
The Game Cave has commander nights every thursday. And the owners are really awesome guys, especially Travis. The regulars have a range of decks from fun and thematic to fuck-your-shit strong. I mean, really though, Nashville and the surrounding area has like 7 LGS's. You've got many choices, friend.

>>47596090
thursday commander nights are free by the way, and it's not a league so there's no bullshit competition for a prize. It's just a time for people to get together and play commander.

>>47596090
Oh fuck, thanks dude I appreciate the info. My previous group was just my roommates so I don't have much experience with shops. Free and for fun sounds cool.

I don't know if anything beats arguing and drinking around a kitchen table, but Game Cave has been pretty cool the few times I drafted there.

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This bitch is powerful as fuck.

>>47596560

Can def make a lot of mana

I feel like most people would choose druid's repository first though, because of the flexibility of saving the mana for later

But definitely a nice card, kamigawa is filled with surprises, and it's legendary to boot

>>47596475
The guys that play commander there are all super cool. You'll probably see me there at some point. I'm not there every week, but when I can make it, I do.

There are so many stores around Nashville too that support just about every format. The only ones that I don't think I've seen are legacy/vintage but then again I don't play them so I may just not be looking. If you drive down to Murfreesboro, there are 3 shops there. The most OG shop around town is in Dickson, Blackthorn (I think that's what it's called) which is absolutely where you should buy sealed product. The owner is a super nice guy, and he never sells boxes for more than MSRP. Actually, he may even go lower, because he was selling BFZ boxes for like $75-80. They don't do singles there, but there are more than enough stores around town to satisfy that need. Depending on where you in Nashville you live, you've got a ton of choices. Game Cave has the biggest commander community, as well as Infinity, but Grand Adventures in Murfreesboro is trying to get a commander thing set up too.

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>>47596683
>kamigawa is filled with surprises
Like the MANLIEST commander

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>>47596879
Please

>>47596964

This dude is straight jacked

He makes me feel inadequate

end male objectification in the media!!

>>47596964
You are not MANLY if you can die to a fucking tap spell

Also Maraxus isn't riding a yak while armed with a huge piece of spiked wood on a chain, he's got some shit dagger, most unmanly

>>47597287
>needing weapons when you got those abs

>>47592523
Good point. I'd probably say trickery since if is dependant in your opponent more than you.

>>47590547
the red player looks like a fun guy :^)

>>47589609
Can that card's ability be abused by continuous blinking effects, like Brago or Conjurer's Closet?

>>47598113

sorta

the effect that prevents them from casting the named spell or activating the named card's abilities only works while the creature is in play, and if you flicker it, it ends, and you would have to rename that same card if you want to continue preventing that card from being used

however, it could be useful to name a card and then when you no longer need that card to be named, flicker it and name a different one

>>47592686
My only question is why the fuck is Westlake Abbey on your list? The only thing I can see it doing is getting quartered hella quick.

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>>47589891
>infect
>mill
>reanimator

I wonder why your friends singled you out.

Your mana base is terrible, you're mixing three different strategies (and mill and infect are some of the worst), and none of your reanimation targets win you the game.

Try adding lands that come into play untapped, more tutors if you're wedded to infect, and some better creatures and spells. You're in BUG, and you're using scour from existence.

>threw together a mogis enchantment deck on a whim
>went to a bar with some of my playgroup
>got the most powerful deck in the group (azusa) and both others (daretti/karador) to below 10 life apiece
>had triskadekaphobia, polluted bonds and havoc festival out at once, constantly and consistently threatening an auto game loss to everyone at the table
>having shit loads of fun watching everyone squirm and actually having to play around life loss
>karador player tutors up an enchantment wipe
>leaves me at 50 life since he blew up havoc festival
>drew like shit for the rest of the game, ended up losing with azusa on 1 life

I need to get my hands on a wound reflection and some more tutors, thank god vampiric is getting a reprint

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>>47596879
Someone has been juicing.

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>>47598382
After his grill died, Crovax really let himself go

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>>47598439
I am here.
To pump you up!

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>>47596964
I'm making a man. With blonde hair, and a tan. He's good at relieving my

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>>47598645
Tension.

I am slowly replacing all the lands in my dakkon deck with expeditions, i seriously have a problem.

>>47598671
You call that a tan?

>>47598645
And you don't look very sweet.

>>47598804

Yeah seriously, dakkon is shit

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>2HG game
>playing Thassa Scary Sea Monsters, teammate is Olivia 1.0, against Darien and Trostani
>swing with Shipbreaker Kraken and Lorthos, tap down the biggest blockers
>Olivia player sits back like a punk waiting to steal shit
>other team eats like 28 damage
>Darien's trigger goes off, has Coat of Arms and Obelisk of Urd out, set to make some fuckhuge Soldiers
>Stifle the trigger
>his fucking face

>>47599690

Darien has one trigger for each source dealing damage to him

So since you did 28 damage, I assume you swing with shipbreaker, lorthos, and some more creatures on top of that right?

You can only stifle one of those triggers, he should still have gotten a bunch of huge tokens

>>47599781
fugg that should say 18 not 28, I used Monstrosity for Shipbreaker during declare attackers

Also double fugg the Darien player and I were both not aware of Darien getting a trigger from each source, we thought it was just damage in general

>>47599880

I understand your confusion since Darien just says "whenever" and the damage from both creatures happened at the same time

>>47599880

He would've had like 8 10/10's lol, would that have made a difference in the game huehuehue

>>47599938
Good to know, I'll tell him and hopefully make him less mad

He'll probably kick the shit out of me next game because they lost real bad, Tromokratis hit the table next turn on my board, Fervor on the Olivia side of the board, and they couldn't deal with either and got smoked

>>47599979
NIGGA I KNOW THAT NOW ALRIGHT, SHIT

>>47600008

Haha I'm just pushing your buttons m8, you never know how the game would've gone anyway, if you had known how darien's triggers worked, you wouldn't have swung just yet anyway

>>47600107
Also a fair point. Popping Darien with something and then swinging for the fences would have been smarter

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>pull shitty group hug "everyone draws!" deck out of the box
>get accused of milling and get hated off the table

>>47598279
well I'm able to generate quite some tokens with my walkers/assemble the legion so why not.
it's just an alternate win condition

Meren player here week 2 of FNM update:

>first game got my shit wrecked by slivers
>second game guy was running Anafenza, didn't get to do shit
>got no store credit
>missed out on promo Sylvan Scrying


Signed up for a 2 headed giant EDH tournament for Sunday, maybe i'll do a little better there.

>>47600313

That's tough, anafenza is the trolliest commander

>let me just run this commander that's a French vanilla beater
>oh and it hoses the graveyard deck, sorry about that

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Swing for 892 trample damage, response?

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Guys, could you help me out? I'm looking for effects that synergize with noncombat damage, but given the number of ways to say that sort of thing, I'm having trouble searching it.

I'm looking for monored and colorless stuff. The only cards that actually SAY noncombat damage in those colors are Chandra's Spitfire and Magebane armor.

But there are effects like Embermaw Hellion that synergize, but don't explicitly reference noncombat.

You guys know any?

>>47600506

892? What kind of limp dick craterhoof digits are those?

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>>47600506
In response, Fag.

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>>47600506
Tap Boseiju and Forest, cast Constant Mists, saccing the Forest for buyback.

>>47600619

In response I cast skullcrack

>>47600652
>Skullcrack
Nigga, I know this is a pointless discussion on 4chan but at least be realistic.

>>47600506

Sac Spore Frog.

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>>47600506
In response I cast Stuffy Doll and Pariah on Stuffy Doll, naming you

I assign no blockers

>>47600733
In response to no blocks, k-grip pariah :^)

>>47584214
>commander is only for fun

T R I G G E R E D

>>47600849
Sac Hesitation

>>47584214
Oh that's yucky

That is not a thing I like

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>>47600506
I thought we were finished with this meme.

>>47601003

Not even that crazy cuz you don't get the annihilator triggers until the next turn

>>47601495
>15/15 double striking trampler
>along with all the other Exalted cards you'll likely have out at that point
>"not even that crazy"
Rafiq pls go

>>47600506
Unsummon

>>47600506
Echoing truth, that shit's gotta be tokens right?

>Might finally get to play EDH tomorrow for the first time in over a month
>filling falls out at work with an exposed nerve and I need to go to the dentist

Just kill me, please.

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>>47600506

Whoa there buddy. Who said that trigger was resolving.

>>47601816
Sorry anon

But killing is against the law

>>47601966

That hasn't stopped people before

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What silver bullets do you run for annoying decks in your meta /tg/?

>mfw casting Curse of Echoes on the Mizzix player who plays nothing but extra turn spells while he was tapped out

>>47598304
>I'll just say your deck sucks and not give any advice outside of land cards

Truly brilliant and I always wondered why I bother asking /tg/ for help.

>>47602276
I don't know. Maybe Amulet of Vigor against an Urabrask deck

>>47602276
I run artifact hate and graveyard hate in some of my decks to counter my own decks.

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>>47602276
>casting a t1 stifle on their fetchland or a t1 annul on their sol ring
>making them eat your dick the entire game because of crippling mana problems
>mfw

Also agent of erebos because there is always some fuck playing a graveyard deck

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>>47602276
Not really a specific hate card, but I've been main-decking Rest In Peace in all of my white decks. Shuts off so many of my opponents cards, and strats it's not even funny-- no more graveyard recursion, Skullclamp abuse, combo loops, death triggers-- nothing.

Fuck you Daretti

>>47602276
Price of Glory against the Talrand deck

>>47602463
You should run Helm of Obedience too so you can exile entire libraries while RIP is out

>>47602437
>crippling mana problems
How tho

>>47600546
Anyone? I would really appreciate it.

I've tried a lot of variations of this.

>>47602535

They kept a hand with fetchland sol ring and didn't get any mana out of it

>>47602276

I had a Hanna control deck that used Counterbalance, and I would frequently float a 3 cmc on top of the deck to fuck with Krosan Grip. I also used Decree of Silence to fuck with shit like Grand Abolisher. Oh, and morphs like Stratus Dancer because morphs don't give a single fuck about shit like split second and Abolisher.

>>47595209
Ayli?

>>47602563
When doing difficult searches like this, I sometimes try just searching for "whenever" or "if" in those colors and scouring the long list of results.

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>>47602658
Such an underared card, nobody gives a shit about the 2/2 morph and pulling a counterspell out if nowhere can really save you

>>47602830
Fair. I'm building a monored Zo-zu deck. I love Chandra and I love noncombat damage from creatures. I also hate how monored is usually monobrown. It'll be a bad deck, but the list I have so far is pretty fun.

>>47602833

They're absolutely beautiful. Kheru Spellsnatcher is a bit expensive, but its worth it imho. It's especially bullshit when you run it with Vesuvan Shapeshifter. Who doesn't love a mostly uncounterable Spelljack every turn for 1U?

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>>47586924
Koskun Falls is a monoblack Ghost Prison.

>>47603265
WORLD ENCHANT
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>>47602373
>I can't think critically or use the tools at my disposal to fix my shitty deck

http://edhrec.com/commander/The%20Mimeoplasm/?f=in%3Dblighted+agent

http://edhrec.com/rec/?to=http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mimeoplasm-infectious-mill/

http://manabasecrafter.com/commander/the-mimeoplasm

Stay terrible tho

Just faced a academy rector + omnisience, turn 4.
I mean...
Is it fun?
Decks that do this shit like this, which I seem to meet all the time. And everytime they get off their retarded combo.
Is winning 10 games in 10 min fun?
These zero interaction decks.

Ban blue when?

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>>47600546
Broaden your search for damage inflicted by instants or sorcery spells.

>>47603509
stay mad

:^)

>>47603509

Did no one have an answer? It's not hard to exile a creature on T4, and if you can't deal with the creature, you can deal with the Omniscience in response to the first spell unless he holds priority and stacks a bunch of instants. By that point, he probably doesn't have many cards in his hand anyway if you're worried about counter magic.

>>47602922

I played a burn control deck with Chandra at the helm. It was bad, but it was fun and SOMEHOW WON 4 GAMES. Zozu at the helm will generate hate. Be warned.

>>47603492
>using counter logic to justify your own stupidity

Stay salty friendo.

>>47600506

Can you pay the 15 mana for each creature you want to swing at me with?

Oh by the way, Wing Shards.

>>47599690
I always wonder why would anyone attack Darien player while commander is out and you can't swing for lethal. You always end up shooting yourself in the foot, no exceptions.

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>>47600506
You forgot I have this on the field :^)

>>47602437
Pretty much everyone runs Mental Misstep in our meta. It's fucking great, and every time Ring gets Stepped, mad woos ensues

>>47602922
I wish Zo-Zu would be in Izzet, so I could be an absolute madmen and run Mana Vortex, Overburden and Sunder

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>>47600210
My favorite deck I own is my kami of the crescent moon "everyone draws" deck.
If people seriously think you are going for a slow as fuck wincon by mill, you need to realize they're generalizing what your deck hopes to accomplish. Don't play kingmaker, don't play group hug just to help others with no win con in mind. Play "everyone draws" with plenty of counterspells handy, plenty of stasis effects and stax. HAVE A WINCON IN MIND- Make it fun for the table to keep you alive, but pack a lot of teeth grinding bullshit that will make the table question why they didn't kill you.

My favorite play was starting with kami of the crescent moon/font of mythos, meekstone, and eventually dropping storm cauldron and mana Web at the same time (using high tide to accomplish it)

The table couldn't remove it, because each of my opponents feared tapping even a single land could lead to bouncing every land he owned to hand and getting stomped to death by the other players.

I am so fucking tired of Avenger of Zendikar and Craterhoof Behemoth in every single green deck.

>>47604897
That's funny, my green deck doesn't run either. I should probably add Avenger, though.

>>47604712
Storm Cauldron + Mana Web does not do what you seem to think it does.
Or at least what your opponents seem to think it does.

>>47604970
It kinda does, as many people want to take mana out of em in response. But if they just let them tap, no worries.

HI FRIENDS
ANYONE HAVE THAT SORIN EDIT OF THAT SYSTEM OF A DOWN MEME WHERE IT'S LIKE
I DONT ALWAYS CRY
BUT WHEN I DO ITS BECAUSE ANGELS DESERVE TO DIE

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>>47605501
Modern plz go

>>47605644
no no it was in the flavor threads or something

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>>47602276
Aura Shards. I just fucking hate pillowfort and/or stax bullshit.

>>47602276

RIP, Knowledge Pool to slow down Combos, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and Infinite Obliteration.

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>>47605501
>>47605652

This one?

>>47605720
How is Aura Shards a silver bullet? Shit's fucking nuts, unless no one plays chants or fax.

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>>47602276
Seedtime in my mono-G combo deck. There is always a blue player who takes the Dosan/City of Solitude bait. In response Seedtime and crack Mirrorpool. Trolling is a art.

>>47602667
Gisa

>>47596964
TELL ME ABOUT MARAXUS OF KELD
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK!?

>>47603904
To be fair he did also tell you why your deck sucked, going card by card for improvements is is a lot to ask for such a confused pile of shit.

>Timmy as fuck
>constantly hard-casting big nasty creatures and bitching about counters
>start doing some research after hearing about Mike and Trike
>going out to pick up a Mikaeus, the Unhallowed to make an infinite combo persist artifact deck
What are some fun things I should throw in there? Would it be better to run red and black to get the synergy with Kiki Jiki? I was thinking, just based on what I have, that a Pupeteer Clique would be neat, thunderblust could be cool too. I also have a clock of omens, that tap to artifacts do one damage thing, and a frigload of myr. I don't really have a lot of experience with combos, so this is new ground for me.

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>finally found a good playgroup

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>>47608001
>had a playgroup
>fell apart after the shop closed.

>>47608001
Teach me the ways. Did you threatened their mothers at gunpoint if they wouldn't learn Magic? I'm desperate to get a nice playgroup myself.

>>47608126
Walked in on a Saturday, everyone was playing Netrunner (my LGS sells lots of games, and different games tend to be played on different days). I was talking to the cashier about Magic, and three guys came in and started setting up commander. I asked if I could join, they said sure. They also said they liked my deck.

>>47608047
You know you can play MtG at your house right?

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>>47608134

>>47607408
Mike and Trike is usually your goto if your running Dirty Mike as your commander. If you're looking for recursion shenanigans try Grenzo

>>47608170
>>47608134
THEY HAVE NO CMC, HOW DO THEY WORK?!

>>47608178
>Grenzo
Oh, I do declare, he looks like a savory piece of rage-inducing vitriol. Too bad you can't run bow of nylea in that deck. Do you run him personally, are you aware of any secret techs? I know I could just run dirty mike and tutor his trike with khuldotha forgemaster or any of the various tutors, but I don't want to be a one trick pony.

>>47608180
Are you dumb, they're Cascade and Suspend gimmick cards.

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>>47604970
>>47605053

Say one of my opponents has 7 islands and taps one for mana while I control storm cauldron and mana Web, would the single island they used for mana bounce to their hand, and the other 6 become tapped and not bounce? What if they want to take mana out of the 6 other lands in response? Then do they all bounce?

>>47608422
If they tap one for mana, and the rest tap due to storm cauldron, only the one used to produce mana gets bounced.

If they tap the rest of their lands in response to storm cauldron's trigger, making more mana, then each one tapped for mana will be bounced.

>>47608422
When Mana Web's trigger resolves, the lands tap, but they're not tapped for mana, so they never bounce. But still, that's a retard magnet, because everyone wants to take all mana from them.
Still, you can tap enough lands for Naturalize or something and in response to Mana Web's trigger remove storm cauldron and after that take all the mana you want.

>>47608544
I mixed up cauldron and web for fucks sake.

>>47608591
Say you tap 3 to remove storm cauldron, would the 3 you tapped be bounced to your hand?

>>47608615
>>47608544
Thanks! Makes more sense

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This. FUCKING. Card.

Every time I play someone, they instantly side in this bastard and will inevitably make me salty when I swing for the game, they do some shenanigans, and suddenly have more r/w mana than I thought they did. It's like having an instant win button against certain strategies.

>>47608689
Nah, you need one of the ones (who I can never remember until I find them) that directly redirect the damage so you can make them 21 themselves.

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>>47608689
Oh I forgot my story:

>playing r/w uril
>main strategy is to make sure dictate of the twin gods is on the field, fog as much damage as I possibly can, then drop Hidetsugu and tap him for the game
>spend an hour setting up my janky OTK, opponent is playing Mardu Kaalia of the Vast and wraths, other opponent is playing janky green infinite
>finally drop hidetsugu, give him haste, dictate of the twin gods is out, my penis is expanding
>mardu is tapped out, going in for the execution
>fucking green player untaps exactly two of Mardu's lands with Argothian Elder
>a fucking plains and a mountain
And the worst part is, the whole game store heard me rage and sperg out. Fuck that shit, I'm not playing fun decks there anymore.

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>>47608765
Or you could not be a sperg about it. You're playing predictable shit that telegraphs itself super hard after one play that OTKs someone, is everyone else just supposed to sit there and let it happen?

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Would you allow someone to play a weeaboo general alter like this that's functionally identical to an existing MtG card if they also had a copy of the card?

(Ghost Council of Orzhova, btw)

>>47608765
>I was about to kill someone
>They dodged my blow

And you're angry why?

>>47609423
I wouldn't care, I'd be more worried about how obnoxious of a weeb you are at that point, but I'd just get an alter or proxy that keeps the name the same but still use a different art.

>>47608689
>sideboarding

>>47609423
Absolutely, even if someone wanted to play dumb shit like an anime proxy of rasputin dreamweaver and didn't actually have the card. As long as they let me know in advance that they are just testing the commander out to see if they like it.

Honestly, we are playing commander to have fun. If there is a format to play weeb proxies, it would be commander. Just make sure everyone else is comfortable with it before you pull it out.

If extended borders/alters are OK, why would weeb proxies not be?

>>47603801
That's fair. I might be better off running baby Chandra. I just really like Zo-zu. He's cute as fug.

>>47604587
Definitely would've been silly.

>>47609578

>implying extended borders are okay
>implying weebs are allowed near me

Anime was a mistake, it's trash

>>47610095
>Anime was a mistake, it's trash

I mean, it's cool that you feel that way, anon, but not letting weebs near you seems a bit extreme.

I have friends who watched Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Decent people can have shit taste.

>>47610095
What's wrong with extended borders? Not trying to be rude, just wondering

Would you guys recommend any commanders/colors for an aggressive deck that can kill the whole table on a budget? My playgroup's games always take too long and I am looking to make a new deck.

>>47610195
If all you wanna do is end games blisteringly fast, Papa Purphy's is the way to go. How budget are we talking here?

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Brewing Ayli with an Eldrazi theme.

Does Summoner's Egg make sense? I've got about 10 creatures that cost 6cmc or more, although I may need to make some cuts. Or should I stick with reanimation to get them out?

>>47610195
Heartless Hidetsugu can make games go a lot faster. Just watch out, because he can also be a lightning rod for hate.

>>47610308
Try Quicksilver Amulet.

>>47610308
If you end up running summoner's egg, you might want to look into Clone Shell too

>>47610157

I have OCD and it's triggering enough that there's 3 different official card borders, let alone random cards in people's decks with ugly extended borders

>>47610346
>>47610358
Shit, those are both cool. I particularly like that the egg and clone are creatures since they can be reanimated.

The art on clone shell bothers me though. What is he doing, ice skating?

>>47608662
Yes. They still get bounced.
>>47610195
Mono red. Purphoros or Hidetsugu would be the best I think. Problems are enchantments with it.

>>47610392
Oh man, I bet Eldrazi cards really trigger you.
Are you mad that colorless cards forget to check their border privileges?

>>47610482

Yes devoid cards were tough to get used to but I deal with it

>>47610151

Nothing wrong with reality tv, that shit is gold

Weeb trash is the devil

>>47584051

White has very little draw options for EDH. It's mostly limited to artifact draw. Tower of fortunes, kozilek, senseis divining top, loreseeker's stone, and slate of anancestry are pretty much the best draw options for white.

>>47610264
I'm thinking under $200 and I'm not sure about Purphoros as another player in my group had a Purph deck so I'll likely get too much hate. I do like the way Purphoros plays though it does seem like it could get kinda boring after a bit.

>>47610195
Jarad fatty/reanimator can be reasonably cheap. You need to skimp a little on the landbase, but whatever.

Ezuri elves can be cheap, skip the Gaea's Cradle and call it good. All important elves for you are cheap and like $5.

>>47610721

Tower of fortunes and loreseeker's stone are shit compared to staff of nin and mind's eye and mentor of the meek and bygone bishop and skullclamp

Basically you listed none of the best options and called them the best options

I'm starting to build a Zedruu gimmick enchantment combo deck and need ideas for combos that use multiple cards, but are interchangeable with different combo pieces or use the same effects to win, any ideas?

>>47611203
As always, illusions of grandeur

>>47610424
Amulet doesn't have to die for its effect, so reanimation is less necessary.

>>47611203

Opalescence / Starfield of nyx + parallax wave / parallax tide

>>47611203
Parallax Wave + Enchanted Evening + Opalescence.

>>47611203

Traumatize + replenish

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Post good cards that people forget about when they build their decks.

>>47609239
I was more upset that two players teamed up to hit me with a stupid card that he probably didn't have in his hand, except he did. That's what I don't like. I'm playing janky ass 10 mana combos, as bullshit as they are, they're at least vulnerable to removal

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>>47611728

>>47608689
>>47608765
>>47609239

You've got some grounds for complaint, but honestly should have just laughed it off. This sort of political crap is half the fun of EDH

Sideboarding is pretty bullshit. if they will sideboard this against Uril then yeah, play less obvious strategies, but also your right in thinking you should up the power level because you don't sideboard a hard counter against a crappy jank deck

As for the 'teaming', its only bad if green knew exactly what white had and was picking a winner. if Mardu simply 'had an answer' and green enabled it, thats just politics man

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>>47611728
I know its situationional but shit man so many possibilities.

>>47612325
Guy with an Newlamog deck uses that to HORRIFYING effect. LOL, exile 40 cards from your library.

>>47584506
>>47584200
>>47584566
How many shadowborn apostles do edh decks usually run as a ratio of lands to apostles to other things

>>47612643
I designed a SA deck that I never piloted more than once or twice but IIRC: about 38-40 apostles, and a low curve/number of lands like 36

>>47612643
The standard apostle package is 30 apostles and 4 demons IIRC. One of those demons is always rune-scarred demon.

>>47600692
Seriously considered unstable footing a few times (Don't have a skullcrack)

>>47610539
Trying way too hard there.

is there a green or blue card that lets you tutor for enchants?

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>>47613896
Not that finds enchantments specifically. More general searches might get you something, I'll poke gatherer as well.

>>47608689
>not casting your own in response

>>47584269
The RW deck is so weak compared to the rest it's not even fun

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>>47613998
So, can you abuse that card with this?

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>playing my brother
>running the mimeoplasm
>he has teysa taxes
>start off janky as Fuck with a whelming wave, aetherize and aetherspouts
>my brother starts throwing fire, quickly ramps into ghost council, drops a sigil of the throne and a blind obedience
>suddenly has a 24/24 nighthowler
>use my removal as best I can, get down to 15 life
>ten lands at this point
>drop a kalonian Hydra, he leaves it alone trying to setup teysa tron
>I drop mycolth, hit it with grave strength for 5 counters
>turns out I mill newlamog
>swing, he takes it and is still alive
>fails to kill me on his turn, cast mimeoplasm exiling newlamog and jank
>he scoops when I swing for 40 with mycoloth and the Hydra
>realize that this deck's strat involves me preventing as much damage as possible before ending the game in two turns
>totally retool it
Today went better than expected.

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>>47611728

>>47584037
So I just bought the Marath precon deck but I want to make it better before I take it play at the LGS. What cards should I replace/buy to make it actually good?

I'm new to EDH and I heard something about certain Dual typed lands that are counted as Basic. Could someone elaborate? Which lands are these and how do I get them?

>>47616066
There are two types of dual lands that count as two different types of basic land, so it'll say "Land - Island Plains" for example

The first type was printed in the first sets, and have no drawbacks, and are called ABUR duals and are very expensive

The second type is from the original Ravnica block, and was reprinted in the Return to Ravnica block and as Zendikar Expeditions. These ones come into play tapped unless you pay 2 life as they enter the battlefield, so they're called shock lands

>>47616066
Duals and shocks have two subtypes, such as "Island" and "Plains". They count as those for every effect you can think of. They work specially well with fetchlands.

>going to make an unholy wedlock out of my trostani deck and my ezuri deck to create derevi tokens
Don't stop me now

>>47616066
I should probably point out that the lands that >>47616120 and >>47616129 are talking about have basic land types, but are not basic lands. You could not fetch them with an evolving wilds, but you could grab them with Bloodstained Mire and the like.

>>47616066
>>47616120
>>47616129
Theres also the Battle Lands, which have 2 basic subtypes and enter tapped unless you own 2 basic lands. They only come in the allied flavors at the moment

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>>47586556

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>>47611728
Even though you're facing bigger life totals and multiple opponents, this guy still delivers a beating in control decks and is nearly impossible to kill.

>>47616210
Why is the "muh edh spirit" guy playing only degenerate commanders?

>>47616196
I just realized I said fetch when I should have said grab and vice-versa, and it bothers me.

>>47615811
Safe Passage seems better DESU

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>>47616486
>implying Safe Passage stops any "destroy" board-wipes

>>47616486
not only does Make a Stand protect your creatures from boardwipes, it can make a token army a wincon too.

>>47616287
>Why is the "muh edh spirit" guy playing only degenerate commanders?
Probably "Why are you attacking me bro? I've got no board, I'm just tutoring and ramping!"
Spirit of EDH AKA "Don't attack the combo or control players"

>>47616120
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>>47616209

So, I wouldn't be able to have multiple copies of those lands in an EDH deck?

>>47613663

Wait do you actually think anime is better than the jersey shore and bas girls club etc?

You're wrong if you do

>>47616731
Yes, you can only have one of each of the ones mentioned in any given deck

As I realize I can be running Kira the great glass in Ezuri for that extra padding, Man I love tool boxing.

>>47616808

Kira the great glass spinner will counter your ezuri trigger unless you target that creature earlier in the turn (and use up the counter effect)

>>47616784
>he's never watched LotGH
>he actually bought the all anime is trash meme
Yeah, just keep on thinking that.

>>47616858

Never seen that one, maybe I'll check it out

I don't consider all Japanese animation to be anime, I take the lead of Miyazaki who said that anime is trash

I've never seen a non-shit anime tho, that's for sure, and as a /tg/ type guy, I've been forced by my friends to watch a lot of different stuff

>>47616843
oh shit thanks for reminding me wow. Man I'm out of touch

>>47616920
Well what have you watched? Because anime is a medium that covers such a wide variety of themes, settings, age groups, and demographics, it is a VERY HUGE generalization to say all of anime is trash. And to be quite honest, Miyazaki is just a jaded old guy that is frustrated with the industry. What he says doesn't really reflect the reality of what is happening in the anime industry right now.

>>47616920
you do know that miyazaki never said that anime is trash, right?

>>47616961

naruto
Bleach
Fairy tale
One piece

Serial experiments lain
Elfen lied
Death note
This other one I can't remember the name of about a dude who appears out of nowhere naked
Mirai nikki
This one about a portal to medieval times
This one about a city/school of magic
This one about an MMO that sucks people into the game
Samurai champloo, which actually wasn't complete shit it was tolerable
Darker than black
This one about a dude with a camera that kills people
Random gundam stuff from a while ago
Trigun, which was recommended to me by somebody who agreed with me about most anime being shit, and it turned out to be one of the most shit of all
Cowboy bebop, which actually wasn't shit, same as samurai champloo, very tolerable

A lot more than that too, my friends are obsessed, I just can't remember them all

>>47617089

No I didn't know that, was it a complete fabrication or just an exaggeration of what he said?

I can't imagine Miyazaki enjoying any of the trash that I've seen

>>47617167
>nartuo
>bleach
>fairy tale
>one piece
excluding the early parts of one piece, all of those are battle shounen crap
>serial experiments lain
thats really good
>elfen lied
edgy shit
>death note
normie/edgy shit
>mirai nikki
more edgy shit
>assuming GATE
nationalistic show that I liked but can see why others despise it
>assuming Raildex
It has a certain appeal but not a serious one
>SAO
shit
>samurai champloo
good
>darker than black
edgy shit
>gundam
if you like mecha you'll love gundam
>trigun
can't see how you didn't like trigun
>cowboy bebop
actually good

Watch better anime tbqh. There's a lot more stuff out there and the stuff you watched was mainly entry-tier stuff.

>>47617200
Different anon, but its a huge exaggeration. Miyazaki (like Anno) doesn't like the direction the industry is heading and hates the otaku subculture. As for your second point though, Miyazaki isn't really the god many make him out to be. Most of his films are just mediocre or average. A lot of other anime movies out there are much better.

>>47617167

Forgot to mention that some of these I listed have a few redeeming qualities but they all share the same problems that make anime shit to me, the cringey waifus everywhere, the cringey "humor", the endless boring scenes of combat

>>47617200
Its an exaggeration

He said that modern anime is made without regard to how people actually interact with each other, and that's why the industry is populated entirely with otaku, which he dislikes

>>47617260

Recommend me some anime movies that are better than Miyazaki in your opinion

I think every single one of miyazakis movies are masterpieces, every single one

>>47617284
>>47617284
Garden of Words
Little Witch Academia

>>47617284
Perfect Blue (or anything Satoshi Kon), literally anything Makoto Shinkai, and Tamako Love Story

>>47617284
Urotsukidoji.

I laughed, I cried, I didn't fap though.

>>47617284
>I think every single one of miyazakis movies are masterpieces, every single one
even ponyo? also Mind Game is bretty gud

>>47618143

Well okay you got me, I literally said every single one and even though I liked ponyo a lot I can't say it was actually a masterpiece

Also I haven't seen some of the newer ones