Warhammer 40k General

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First for the Enclaves

>>47554659
It's actually Tau vs Imperium, but you're right. I just wasn't sure.

>>47554681
YEah, but it takes place on a "small" forgeworld, and the only confirmed factions are Kel'shan Tau,AdMech with 30k stuff, and Red Scorpions with 30k stuff. And maybe some actually-insane battle automata.

>>47554673

Are Greenwing DA any good? I want to play them without turtling.

I find funny how one of the Sept previously know for being "The Artists" is now the Riptide Spammers. I guess "artist Sept" was too lame for a wargame.

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>>47554680
FUCK YOUR SHIT AUTISTIC WEEABOO FAGGOT XENOS SCUM! IMPERIAL GUARD REPORT IN!

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>>47554733
RIGHT HERE, SIR! WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THESE XENOS!

CAD - 1750

++Chaos Space Marines++

+HQ+
Typhus (warlord) 230

Chaos Sorcerer (Mark of Nurgle, Bike, ML3, Sigil of Corruption) 170

+Troops+
30x Cultists (Plague Zombies) 130

7x Plague Marines (Meltaguns x2, VotLW, Rhino) 195

+Fast Attack+
5 Chaos Spawn (mark of Nurgle) 180

+Dedicated Transport+
Rhino - 35

+Lord of War+
Chaos Knight Paladin (Daemon Knight of Nurgle [Daemon, IWND & Hatred (Tzeentch)]) 450

Chaos Daemon Allies:
++Allied Detachment++

+HQ+
Great Unclean One (ML3, Exhaulted Reward) 270

+Troops+
10x Plaguebearers - 90

>>47554719
Artist sept would have been great, if they had actually shown some models painted up from that sept with whatever neat patterns they used.

>>47554690
Leviathan Dread has 30k and 40k rules. 40k rules have a debuff and can't take the Radguns.

>>47554783
Tau without stealth fields apparently have a sort of active camouflage that can change the pattern on-the-fly.

>>47554836
Doesn't stop them from showing off color schemes for everything else.

Just list it under a header as (insert sept name here) Parade Armor and it's solved.

>>47554700
>turtling
What does it mean to "turtle"
Also green wing is just regular space Marines. Although we don't get access to the new dreadnought or rhino variants.

>>47554849
I would assume turtling refers to just hunkering down and playing a defensive gunline.

>>47554849
Turtling is when you sit in cover and don't move.

>>47554849
>What does it mean to "turtle"

Sit back in a defensive formation, pick off threats with your long range guns and punish anyone trying to get close to your army

>>47554864
>>47554867
>>47554868
That doesn't sound very fun.

>>47554820
Red Scorpions get more than just the dreadnaught, they get other 30k stuff, too, like the clawed drop pods.

>>47554899
It isn't, which is probably why he asked for a way to play that wasn't that.

>>47554899
generally you wouldnt just turtle your entire army, some armies like tau are geared towards having strong turtles mixed with small squads that move out to take objectives

>>47554906
In that case can't he just play it like normal marines? I mean it's not like its tau or anything.

>>47554934
he could just build around bikers and deep strikes for less "big men with big guns and good armor saves walking towards people"

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>>47554778
>Gue've'sa

>>47554999
It's Gue'vesa

>>47555003
Chaos despise the godless above all else, they give exactly -1 fucks about how to spell that shit.

>>47555003
yeah okay whatever goyvespa

>>47554999
>>47555003
I believe it's actually G'u'e'v'e's'a

>>47555012
Then how come they have Abaddon as their Warmaster?

According to the Word Bearers and most recently Kharn, Abaddon is a faithless pretender who doesn't serve the will of the Chaos Gods.

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>>47555003
Look at all these fucks I can not possibly give

>>47555028
Because watching something who think he is hot shit get reamed over and over is hilarious

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>>47554733
Guardsman! By communicating with Xenos you have brought untold shame to your Immortal God-Emperor. Only by taking your life can you redeem yourself!

>>47555040
Not when he is your only hope at winning.

If Chaos hates godlessness, they wouldn't be betting on Abaddon and investing so much in him.

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>>47555073
YOU ARE A MIGHTY GOD EMPEROR OF THE GREATEST IN THE GALAXY AND YOU'RE TALKING TO A LOWLY GUARDSMAN LIKE ME! YOU SHAME YOURSELF! THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO RESTORE HONOR TO YOURSELF AND THE ENTIRE IMPERIUM IS TO END YOUR OWN LIFE.

>>47555074
>at winning
chaos' followers don't give a fuck about "winning"

That's kinda why they have to be tricked, coerced and/or forced into accomplishing shit by their gods. Likely the reason behind picking an overgrown bully as their warmaster, too.

Anything new or incoming after these metal boxes/cargo crates?

>>47555144
I heard that there might be metal bags

>>47555144
IA14 by early august.

>>47555144
Something about Lost Patrol is what I heard.

What are the odds of an Armoured Battlegroup update?

>>47555184
Extremely slim.

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Are these things going to be in IA14? Or do I have to wait till HH Book 7? Which I assume is Burning of Prospero?

>>47555243
Probably both

>>47555261
Neat. Apparently all the robots are available now. They got locked up by Ad Mech and they got released, I believe they got locked under the minor Forge World the Tau invade and the Ad Mech release them.

Plus some stuff about Red Scorpions which is minor spoilers.

>>47554700
I hear Lions Blade is pretty decent but to me if you are playing Demi then you may as well use Codex Space Marine.

I can field 5000 points of Dark Angels without owning a single troop or transport.

>>47555309
yeah, but your stuff is purple and gold.

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>Next Primarch is Russ
>Then Magnus
>Then Dorn
>Then Alpharius

Funny how the latter has been around for ages, yet is dumped back to the queue. Also, I need to finish my Lizardmen army (at least put it together) as the Ad Mech 30k stuff are coming soon.

But I have a question, are these weapons 'alt' loadouts? I can't tell what they are. R'varna Riptide? Y'vahra?

>>47555308
Yeah, but the robots are very old and crazy.

Had my first 500pt match on sunday as Tau and am thinking of moving to 750pt this sunday, any thoughts on this setup?

Darkstrider - 100pts

Crisis suit, 2x FB, Drone Controller (60pts)
Crisis suit, 2x flamer, TL (37pts)
Crisis suit, Plasma + TL Plasma (57 pts)
4x Markerlight Drones (48 pts)

9x Carbine FW, Carbine Shas'ui, Guardian Drone, Devilfish w/sensor spines and Dpod (212 pts)
10x Rifle FW, SMS turret (100pts)

2x Broadsides, TL Rail TL SMS, 1 with TL (135 pts)

Total 749 pts

>>47555347
Left is Y'Vahra, the flying close-rang flamer riptide.
The other is an XV9 Hazard suit, a sort of heavy weapons close range Crisis suit.

>>47555097
>chaos' followers don't give a fuck about "winning"

Shhhhiiiiiitt, anon. It's like you didn't read the Night Lords series.

A lot of CSm who joined Abaddon did so because they got tired of pointless reaving. They wanted to have a chance at winning the Long War.

>>47555330
>purple and gold.
Thanks for noticing me, senpai.

its yellow, not gold.

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>>47555369
Thanks anon.

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>>47554733
Vostroyan Firstborn reporting for duty.
>>47554778
Nyet. My eyes what a horrible uniform.

>>47555347
>>47555369
Also note that unless they have upscaled the size of Hazard Suits, they arent as big as riptides.

>>47555347
>>47555369
Basically what this guy said. Y'Vahra has the standard loudout which can't change whilst the Hazard seems to be equipped with Pulse Submunitions Rifle which is a large blast horde-clearer, if I remember right.

>>47555455
Is Ivan going to beat that Tau with a wrench? He's the one where that back left.

Anyone know some good sites to get used models beside Ebay and /r/miniswap?

If anyone is searching for Grishnak stuff, add "models" to your Google search with their name. Popped right up.

Again, they're cool sculpts & less tits-out than Wargames Exclusive, but $10 more expensive than Raging Heroes for a squad of 5 regular Battle Sisters.

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>>47555555

>>47555457
>>47555460
Can't wait for this book.

>>47555555
>it's a shill who gets the get :(

We are currently playing a lot of 500 point zone mortalis in my area. Since a lot of them are played on Space Hulk-ish battlefields (small corridors, a few large open spaces, doors, etc.) I was thinking of making a Genestealer heavy army.

What would you guys suggest? I have no experience with Nids, but looking at the book, stealers look terrifying, but I can't really see a good HQ to use for such an army.

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>>47555555
Checked, for the Emperor

>Grishnak advertiser

I'll let it pass...

>>47555460
Hazards baseline is two TL Burst cannons. They can switch one or both out. Most recent rules is Taros 2nd Ed.

>>47555555
Yeah, but they don't look like shit like Raging Heroes or WGE.

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>>47555610

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>>47555555
>shill gets the get
This board deserved it

>>47555591
>>47555602
> shill
I literally told people they could get the same doe cheaper. There just seemed to be some interest. God knows I don't want to help Russians, those theocratic totalitarian fucks.

>>47555630
The basic battle sister squads look OK, really; so do the Seraphim. & to be fair, RH's Repentia aren't much more cheesecake-y than GW's.

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>>47555555
>shill get

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>>47555711
They're fine sculpts, but they are completely outside of the 40k aesthetic. It looks about as right as using a gundam to proxy a riptide. Regardless of how you feel about gundams, they aren't really in keeping with the Tau Empire's aesthetic.

>>47555361
Do you expect to get much use out of that devilfish when it's the only vehicle in the entire list?

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Any more artwork of these dashing gentlemen? I know of only one other picture.

>>47555762
in the 500 pt match my carbine squad didnt have much luck being useful, they managed to move 12" getting shot up by bolters and then was stuck the rest of the match just covering the crisis suits

The idea was they use the devilfish to get into the middle and start being a major thorn that is hard to assault thanks to both the devilfish and darkstrider, while also having decent cover saves and an invuln save just in case

>>47554673
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What's a unit in your codex you've never taken?

What would make you take it?

>>47555881
>Riptides

>Being fair and fitting the fluff of my army better

>>47555881

>Rough riders
I'd take em if they had models and if they were tougher than a guardsmen.

>>47555881
Vespid

If they were jet infantry, not jump infantry

they have fucking wings, why cant they JSJ

>>47555881
>vespid

Cooler models?

They're not a terrible unit, but we've got so many better ways to kill MEQ, and there's nothing that makes them cool or unique enough to compete with the other options. They don't even need to be buffed, necessarily, they just need to be more fun or interesting to use.

>>47555917
Actually, just making them able to fly might be neat. Like miniature FMCs. I'd use them then.

>riptide / stormsurge

Hard to say. I hate the model, and I don't like the idea of suits that large at all. I don't know that I'd ever take one.

IMO, the only armies with non-vehicle models that big on the table should be Tyranids.

>kroot hounds / Krootox

Better rules, independent squads, or both. I like taking Kroot already.

Maybe I can find a use for Krootox in a future list.

>skyray

I dunno. Hate the model, don't care for the rules. Changing both is the only way. I don't mind the idea of the unit, unlike riptides.

>>47555711
>theocratic
maybe
>totalitarian
seriously?

>>47555972
>let them fly

ehh i wouldnt go that far, at that point you have a multi model flying unit, having skyfire would be a requirement just to make them fuck off

>>47556001
Maybe, they're really squishy though.

And they only threaten units at very close range. Plus, you can make it so they snapshoot at the ground while flying.

In the air, they're fast and durable but inaccurate. On the ground, they're glass cannons.

>>47555490
Its not a wrench, its a Vostryan pattern lasgun.

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My friend went to the FLGS because he was interested in starting 40k.

The guy working there talked him into buying the Knights set because "it's a complete army in one box!"

>>47555881
Possessed.

Just making them W2 would go a LONG way to making them a viable unit to me.

>>47555490
He's just going to make sure his helmet is on tight and fully functioning.

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>>47554778
Fucking heretical

>>47555490
That's the butt of a Vostroyan lasgun, which is worth more than the man who carries it and is probably centuries old in and of itself.

>>47556132

worst case scenario is he just adds a start collecting box to them and gets accused of cheese every match

>>47555881
Ironstrider Ballistae

If I didn't love lance-weilding chicken walkers so much.

>>47555881
> Howling Banshees
The only aspect warrior I don't have. Never liked the grillface look on Eldar helmets. I haven't seen their 7e rules but I assume they also still have their terrible str 3.

What's a kit you've had a lot of fun putting together and painting?

I'm looking for a change from Marines and Eldar. I picked up some Orks and they were a blast.

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Needs more dakka.

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Is The Eight fun to run as a 1500 list?

>>47556275
The Earth Caste. In charge of air-to-ground missile magnet designs since M41.

Is running an army of just Nurgle daemons viable or do you have to mix and match?

>>47556275

Are these anti-aircraft or nukes?

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A weapon to surpass Metal Gear?

>>47556304
Yes.

>>47556250
So they got some very important buffs in 7e. They are still S3, but that isn't there biggest problem, they can even get furious charge and rage if you have an avatar nearby anyways.

They're biggest problem is that what they are now really good at is getting a sweeping advance. And they're best target is still Space Marines, which for stupid reasons can't be swept.

Good in Zone Mortalis now, and not utter garbo outside of it.

The buffs btw are they now don't suffer initiative penalty for going through difficult terrain, +3" to charge as well as run, prevent overwatch, and now only cost as much as a dire avenger. And the aspect host means you aren't fighting for elite slots.

As for the model, I kitbash most of my aspect warriors out of Dark Eldar and craftworld troop bits anyways.

>>47556304
What do you mean "or"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuclear_anti-aircraft_weapons

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>This is how I Necron Overlord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXze55Z2GuY

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>>47554778
I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY SOLDIER

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>>47556498

>>47556498
>>47556511
I appreciate the attempt to draw in new blood

But personally I have no hype for a snapfit orks and SM starter kit

>>47555347
>Riptide variant fluff
>Hazard suit fluff
>Commander Ra'lai fluff
>30k equipment for 40k
oh baby

>>47556524
I have hype for deffkoptas and cheep boyz.

>>47556314
But it's other weapon was already a D weapon, what's the point of a heavy rail rifle?
I don't understand

>>47556511
All that matters is the price of the box i might buy it for some friends who are trying to get into 40k

Do you prefer More Dakka or Bigger Dakka?

>>47556544
Might be longer range than 72" and have some variant D-rules like "5's count as 6's," also AP1. It'll still need a good few more buffs to the base Heavy Rail Cannon before it's worth a damn, though.

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>>47556562
I don't have to choose

>>47556544
Submunitions

S8 AP4 Apocalyptic Barrage, give it Strikedown or Concussive or some shit

Or it is just a clone of that dumb as shit space marine superheavy with the beam of fuck you, the Glaive I think it is

>>47556511
I just want those boxnoughts. Cheap boxnoughts. For my legion. Fuck contemptors. Boxnoughts are life. Boxnoughts are love.

>>47555881
Landspeeder Vengeance.

Shitty Suped up Plasma Cannon that is as likely to kill itself than anything.

The only way I would take it if it was cheap enough to compete with the amazing Darkshroud.

I believe its 110+ and the Darkshroud is 80 with no upgrades and give stealth and fear in a six inch bubble. If you start an assault in that bubble you dont get overwatched.

Vengeance could be the exact same price and I would bring it like I bring my Deathwing... Out of pity

>>47556584
>Don't have to choose
>Vehicles literally have less weapons than Imperial equivalents
>Most Battlesuits can't bring bigger dakka, those than can don't bring much of it and lots of smaller dakka, like virtually everyone else's Lords of War

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Anyone posted that page proving incoming chaos release yet?

Someone had to have saved it.

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>>47555702
> Calling based Space 0din a shill

>>47556498
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>>47556614

where did you see that?

>>47556666
>based Space 0din
he might be less awful than most namefags, megasatan, but he's still a megafag no matter how much content he produces

>>47555003
Gue'what?
It's spelled H E R E T I C

>>47556314
Comp'n'sat'or ?

>>47556743
Compensating for nothing but Knights, which came first.

>>47556754
Remember when Tau didn't quite know why Titans worked and had to come up with clever ways to deal with them? Or am I just remembering the Age of Infantry wrong?

>>47556784
thats how the tigershark came into existance, after tonnes of R+D failures and losses vs titans they ended up inventing a fighter that not only rapes titans, but in comparison takes up next to no resources and time to build

>>47556784
Yep. They had to use strategic bombings, long ranged missiles, light cruisers from their space fleet, hammerhead squadrons, and borderline suicide crisis teams to try and topple them.

It was really cool and different.

>>47556784

Personally, I would prefer if they were anti-orbital weapons. They are fine as heavy artillery too.

>>47556784
New fluff is that it's basically one fire caste engineer inventing every suit riptide and larger.

I suspect that's a joke, and there's one GW employee who keeps designing the big Tau suits, and the fire caste guy is a reference to him.

FW just thinks cool things are cool ("we want to make a plastic warhound just because we can"), and has a boner for Tau.

>>47556816
From what I recall a Tigershark doesn't quite rape Titans so much as possess enough firepower to seriously put them in danger if they focus all their efforts on bringing it down, which is probably achievable with more things than most would believe, like the Imperium's Void-capable aircraft. That being said, it'd be a rare case that a fighter-bomber(?) would get that chance if the opponent is any kinds of competent.

>>47556891
Haven't Tau always won space battles, though?

I thought they were pound for pound much better than the Imperium fleet in every regard save FTL (and, obviously, number of pounds, so to speak ).

>>47556891
>From what I recall a Tigershark doesn't quite rape Titans so much as possess enough firepower to seriously put them in danger
Well there was that one time the Tigershark one-shotted a warhound titan and forced the other three to run away

>>47556917
Nah. Voidshields are much better than the Tau's equivalent and in general an individual Imperial ship is more dangerous in terms of raw sledgehammer capability. Their fighters are a little more matched, with the Tau gaining a slight advantage from their space-borne combat network in dogfights.

>>47556923
Forced the other two to run away, and that "one-shot," involved utilizing basically all of its missiles and weapons at the same time on a Titan that was already in combat. Makes sense, though, since the only thing that really makes big things like that difficult to bring down is shielding, as the dedicated large-scale weapons of 40k are capable of shredding through virtually anything with little issue.

>>47556917
Its unclear. Space battles are pretty poorly defined in 40k as is. Usually its 'dead even, so we can justify a ground war'

Generally, I think imperial ships have the advantage in size and power, while Tau ships have a smaller profile and faster firing guns.

I'd imagine its usually Tau ships slowly trying to wear the imperials down with giant railguns as the Imperials try to land a broadside with macrocannons.

>>47556891
There was that time Long strike headshot a warhound

>>47556917

I don't think so. I think space battles is one of the areas where the Tau are not the top dogs. It is compensate because they fight according to Cold War doctrine of spacecraft/missile carrier instead of Age of Sail or 19th century. Also Tau can't teleport troops/crisis/drones quite yet.

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>>47556917
The Tau's original merchant fleet would get rekt in space battles, but the later new shiny fleet could hold its own against the Imperium, but they still lacked the numbers to go head to head.

>>47556979
why is that manta not just single handedly destroying that army

>>47556979
>Tfw you realize all those Skitarii are about to hit BS7

Cool fight fluffwise and for looks, crunchwise those Tau get tabled pretty fast.

>>47557004
Destroying a Warlord Titan is more than a seriously demanding undertaking without straight-up lancing the battlefield, which will kill everything within a few km radius.

>>47557004
From the looks of the setup, it's either being used for evacuation, or just landed to let off additional troops.

Or maybe there's heavier Imperium forces off screen that pose too strong an AA threat for it to take off.

>>47557004
For same reason that Warlord Titan isnt doing the same thing.

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>>47556666
>namefag
>based
Fuck you, Satan.

>>47556979
>Tau holding the line
>some model of suit shooting fire down onto a giant Walker as it flies overhead
>stealth units flanking from the left
>admech pouring through a hole in the Tau fortifications
>crisis suits jumping the wall and launching a counter offensive

This is a cool setup

>>47556511
>Space Marine Terminator

Just one?

>>47556275
Coolest Supremacy shoulder weapon by far.

>>47557016
>Cool fight fluffwise and for looks, crunchwise those Tau get tabled pretty fast.

I dunno enough about Skit-Mech to say, but that's a LOT of Supremacy suits, Riptides, Stormsurges, and air support. Not to mention the crisis suits, piranhas, and stealth units going on the offensive and threatening side/rear armor.

If Tau get first turn, they're probably gonna clear half the table. Same is probably true of the reverse, though.

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>>47557098
yuh

>>47555972
>The only armies with this common unit type on the table should be this one army
Are you retarded? Like, legit?

It is like these people saying terminators should be the only models with a 2+ save.

Am I the only one who thinks this rampant autism should go away? We would just be causing an insane amount of imbalance in an already imbalamced game by making very common concepts a one-army only thing. Not to mention you would be taking away what little certain armies still had away from them.

I don't think you realize how many armies have large MCs.

>>47556156
My mistake. The Vostroyans are going crazy on those Tau in that picture.

>>47557004
the manta is picking up an ethereal to run away

unfortunately there's a warlord within ten paces, and the ethereal is still gawking at the lip of the airpad

>>47556979

Is it mean to be a forgeworld? If so, how did the Tau get there first and build a full fortress?

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>>47557198
Yep.

Vedros is launching alongside a bunch of "expansion" packs designed to keep the newbies hooked. Eventually you build a "normal" army, piecemeal.

You'll note that none of these expansion boxes are terminators. I can't explain that part.

>>47557198
Introduces new players to the concept of HQ, Elites, Troops, Vehicles

it comes with only 6 tac marines, so kinda makes sense that there is only 1 elite

>>47557264
The presence of an Ethereal suggests that the world is either contested or Tau-controlled, sending any of their Caste to an Imperial-dominated space is retarded and will almost certainly result in their loss once the Imperium or AdMech identifies it as a target.

>>47556559
it's 50$

>>47557270
>>47557291
But they have five Nobz.

>>47557216
Tyranids only have a handful of MCs with 2+ saves. What other MC heavy armies are you worried about?

>>47557294
Dont know if thats worth it for just 1 termie and 1 ork defkopta but you know its for a couple of friends and i dont know how much that would be in just normal boxes

>>47557216
>mad Eldar player

Because Eldar being switched to AV is such a problem, right? And the original post was about Tau.

So who the fuck does that leave, with MCs that are riptide sized? And aside from a handful of ancient Forgeworld sculpts?

Honestly the only other faction that deserves giant monster models is Chaos. Chaos and Tyranids should have a monopoly on that shit. Tau and Eldar walkers can suck a dick and be vehicles like everyone else.

>>47557313
Most armies with a proper unit selection have access to 2+ and MCs. Might I suggest you look up the rules for the different factions, instead of voicing uneducated opinions that makes it obvious how ignorant/stupid you are?

>>47557316
There's also the infantry, which makes it worth it. A deffkopta on Gw's website is 33.00 USD. A dreadnought is 46.25

Changed my army around a bit from >>47555361

Fireblade - 60pts

Crisis suit, 2x Plasma - 52pts
Crisis suit, 2x Flamer, target lock - 37 pts

9x Carbine FW, Carbine Shas'ui, Guardian Drone - 112 pts
10x Rifle FW - 90pts

2x Remora drone - 90 pts

Sniper Drone team, 3x marksmen 3x sniper drones

2x Broadsides, TL rail rifle + TL SMS, one with target lock - 135pts

Total 750pts

the sniper drone team is just a cheap way to get BS5 markerlights for my broadsides, fireblade attaches to the rifle unit, remoras will deepstrike and cover any gaps that the broadsides cant see

>>47556219
Nothing more satisfying in this world than getting a 3 chicken charge against my friend who thought "Admech can't melee so I'll rush in my hammer+Shield termies". Fucking devestated the squad in the first round. That increased I needs to be standard for all lances, would make Rough Riders at least better in melee than guardsmen.

FAQs for KDK, Legion of the Damned, and whatever Blood Oath is are up.

They did come out on Wednesday after all, so it looks like the next one will be a week from tomorrow.

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>>47557401
Toasting

>>47557401

KDK is unplayable now... wow

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>>47557444

>>47557328
>So who the fuck does that leave, with MCs that are riptide sized? And aside from a handful of ancient Forgeworld sculpts?
Protip: if you have to ask about knowledge critical to the conversarion, you should just stop. Your stupidity is not just showing, it is glowing lile the sun, and I am not here to teach dumb kids about shit they can find this easily.

You still haven't mentioned my army, just for the record.

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>>47557457

>>47557207
That big tracked admech gun shits out a sonic wave that will pretty much kill everything in front of it (Friend and foe), it's apoc blast that just moves in a straight line from the barrel of the gun until it leaves the table, ignores cover and does more damage the bigger the thing it's hitting. Against super heavies, GCs and SHWs it's a big D in the bum.

>>47557342
Sorry. I misread and thought you said 'large numbers of MCs'

>>47557450
How is that the case?

This FAQ is minor as fuck. Disclaimer: I've never so much as seen a KDK army.

>>47557469
Nobody cares about Gay knights

>>47557450
Nigga you and I have different definitions of "unplayable"

>>47557294
i'd be pretty happy with that.

On one hand, these FAQs cut down on a lot of cheese, exploits, and abuse.

On the other hand, the game is imbalanced that those things form the core of most books' viable lists.

So I guess the question is, do these FAQs indicate the new CEO decreeing that all books henceforth will be balanced? Only time will tell, since rumors are we're not due a new codex until 2017, after the rumored new edition.

>>47555881
Centurions, and nothing could make me take them.

>>47557310
And one deffkopta, which isn't equivalent to the dreadnought.

>>47557542
I take it that it's a looks/concept problem (Marine in armour in even bigger armour) and not a rules thing, because Centurions are fucking rad based on the ones I've come up against.

>>47555881
>>47557542
Oh hey, also Centurions. I mean I OWN some centurions, but I'm saving them for when I get a Siege Assault Vanguard together for apoc games.

>>47555881
Normal Termies

In a Codex thats packed out the ass with elites like the BAs is they cant fufill any roll that my other choices can i would probably use them if they had either more attacks or less AP2 weapons were in the game as right now they dont work for shit.

>>47557540
it means something much more basic. That he's willing to communicate with customers, answer their questions, and listen to their concerns.

Those are prerequisites for improving the balance for the game. But it would. need to be present fairly early in the codex development to have a real effect on the balance.
Especially as he needs to listen to the overwhelming call of 'get playtesters' first, but being willing to listen to outside voices means that he might actually be willing to bring in playtesters'.

>>47557316
2 boxes are $100
That means you get for marines:
2 captains
2 dreads
2 terminators
12 marines

And for orks:
2 warbosses
2 deffkoptas
10 nobs
24 boyz

That's a deal if I ever saw one

Can remora drones hover inside terrain? they are small enough so are they allowed to abuse that sweet 2+ cover save

>>47557525
Still wrong. You could just name all the armies with MCs. But you probably can't, otherwise you wouldn't have made the retarded statement that only Nids should have MCs.

Can a Forgefiend bring down a Riptide with the autocannons? 8 shots at S8 ain't nothing to sneeze at. What if they use the formation to get pref enemy, BS5 from nearby warpsmith and pop daemonforge to re-roll wounds?

>>47557791
When did I say that?

>>47557791
Not that anon, but actually presenting your argument will get you much further than smugly masturbating how superior you are.

Not just here, but in life in general.

>>47557798
the riptide has 5++, 4++ on nova charge and probably has FNP, so its still going to you a while with just one forgefiend

>>47557767
I guess its a deal price wise but model wise i think i could probably get more for less. seeing as Orks need either 3x that number of boyz to do anything reasonable with em. Also take in that the marines squad of size aint doing anybody who wants a full squad with heavy and special weapons any favors as they are most likely are snapfit meaning that they are all in shitty poses at the start.

>>47557759
But will the influx of players from the balance not cause an increase in greed of the CEO?

>>47557791
It'd be easier to name armies without MCs to be honest, so here we go:

Space Marines
Pure Skitarii
Imperial Knights
Inquisition
Sisters of Battle

>>47557806
different guy, but right at the start. of this.

Saying MCs should. be limited to nids is pretty dumb,. but the other statement, that there are things being called MCs that damn well shouldn't be is a different matter.

What are we arguing about today?

>>47557818
>greed of the CEO
what? Improved sales is the goal the CEO has now.

>>47557798
2+, decent invuln, FNP and a boatload of wounds

There's no easy way to just kill the things. Even if you lock it in combat it's still an MC with insane durability.

>>47557366
Remora drones are 90 EACH.

>>47557759
He damn well better be willing to improve the quality of the game. Its already approaching 'too little, too late' territory.
Despite what GW seems to think, a significant anount of new players are brought into the hobby by existing players/veterans. If you dont have a solid foundation of vets playing games in every flgs around the world, new players arent going to get exposed to the game. They will see expensive kits sitting on the shelves. They will hear the warnings of disgruntled former players warning them to stay away.

40k needs a legitimate ruleset and some semblence of balance or its going to continue losing customers/players. And it needs to happen soon. Another 15 months of quality releases like the Ork/CSM supplements, Death from the Skies, Tau supplement, etc. - will just make the hole that much deeper and more difficult to climb out of.

The rest of the industry smells the blood in the water. GW better wake up, now.

>>47557871
whoops my bad, it still adds up to 750 though with 2 remoras

60 HQ, 89 elite, 202 troop, 180 FA, 219 HA

>>47557813
>>47557836
Bugger. I guess slamming a Daemon Prince in its face is the best way to take it out huh? Armour save ignored, hits first with tons of attacks at 3+ and if you use the Black Mace you get to force a T test (if the Riptide is suceptible to it).

>>47557901
yeah, the best way to kill riptides is tie it up in assault and watch it kill itself slowly when it fails the nova charges

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Is it heresy?

>>47557924
Considering the Emperor can be who he wants - no

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>>47557924

>>47557913
Good to know. How are stat tests like Toughness done when the enemy has 6 or more anyway? Usually it's "If you roll at or above the toughness, you fail" yeah? It's been a while since I used these things.

>>47557901
doing that carries the side benefit of not having to deal with an S8 pieplate every turn

>>47557932
So you're saying he wanted to be a girl?

>>47557813
Dont forget its armor save. And its toughness, MC status for cover save, and 180 point pricetag.

Its underpriced for such a durable weapons platform. Giving it the Riptide wing formation buffs firmly plants it in cheese territory.

>>47557946
Nigga been around since 4000BC - he probably had a phase
Think Alucard from Hellsing

>>47557924
>master biomancer
>outward appearance is possibly just a mental illusion anyway

Gonna say no. After all, are YOU gonna tell the Emperor he can't be a gril?

>>47557957
Lucky bastard to be able to just do that then. I'm stuck popping pills and transitioning slowly instead.

>>47557970
If I have to do it the shitty way then yeah, I'm going to tell him he can't just cheat.

>>47557936
A 6 is always a fail just like 1 is always a success. So you have an 1/6 chance to remove that riptide from play.

>>47557924
if you're going to make a ridiculous power armor costume, at least make it so the legs don't bend backwards when standing normally

>>47557789
I believe so. Watch out for dangerous terrain, though.

>>47557798
No.

>>47557832
If Nids should be the only army with MCs and teh newest FAQ made KDK unplayable.

>>47556544
Dumbdumb, that's a sword!

>>47557977
Why not just ask the Emperor to use his biomancy on you instead?

>>47556544
I'd really like to see a beam-like D-weapon

>>47557980
I see, so let's say I have a T5 model and I get thwacked by the Black Mace. I need to roll a 3+ to save it? And if it's T6, I die on a 1?

>>47557997
its a shame you cant give them sensor spines to auto pass dangerous terrain

>>47558015
I'd have to wait for him until M30 for that to happen.

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Why does Leman Russ wield a weird copy of Frostmourne?

Don't get me worng is pretty badass, but weird nonetheless

>>47558030
characteristic tests are equal to or under

T5 passes on a 5 or less
6's always fail

>>47557798
So youre dumping 175 + 120 points into two flimsy ass easy to kill models just to kill a Riptide? And you still wont even kill it in less than 4 turns without some serious luck.
If you play CSM just steer clear of Tau. You're fish in a barrel to them.

>>47558030
No, you need to roll 5-
>>47558037
Yep, but they're already the cheapest flying thing in this game, that's quite ok.

>>47557807
>Actually presenting your argument will get you much further than smugly masturbating how superior you are.
And expecting to be spoonfed will get you far in the opposite direction of where you want to get.

Either stop trying to participate in a discussion where you don't have the base required amount of knowledge, or at least do some research. You have all the material readily available in this thread.

>>47558030
In the case of T5,you would have to roll less than 5 or 6 to pass. In the case of T6 you would have to roll anything but 6.

>>47558062
>>47558065
Sorry, but thank you, all's clear now.

>>47558064
No I'm not, I was just theorizing cause the Hades Autocannons are the strongest gun I got in my army, so I wondered if it could poke a few holes in it. Theorizing only.

>>47557884
>The rest of the industry smells the blood in the water.

Hah, as if.

GW still has no direct competitor.

As much as WM/H players might not want to believe, no game currently appeals directly to 40k players who want 40k but balanced.

>>47558057
why do you have two generic fantasy zweihanders?

How bad would a Tau list focusing on XV8s, Fire Warriors and Broadsides be?

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>>47558057
The design of his sword predates warcraft 3, not to mention both are based on real world swords + extra spikes and shit

>>47558092
>As much as WM/H players might not want to believe, no game currently appeals directly to 40k players who want 40k but balanced.
This all day. 40k is unique in it's scale and setting and frankly that keeps drawing me back to it despite it's numerous faults.

>>47558016
Then you should google the rules for Ordinatus Ulator.

>>47557884
So I'm going to first say where you're wrong, but then point out where you're right.

GW actions: New CEO, significant changes in core company policies like working with outside venders, using the internet and social media to communicate with fans during the. production process, a focus towards new players and accessibility of the game, etc etc
All these indicate that the GW has woken up. They are making an effort to change.

Where you might be right is the 'too little too late' comment, because it takes a long time for these sort of changes to reach the release stage.
Even if they had a clear idea of exactly what they needed to fix, it would be close to a year before we'd see the changes.

But GW doesn't know exactly what needs to be fixed right now. Even if they have listened to the 'overall balance is a. major concern we need to fix right. now', is not as quick and easy as the internet likes to think when you consider corporate production process.

So the releases since the new CEO came into power aren't a good reflection on what he wants to be doing, because those were too far down the pipeline for him to really get a hand in,. however, it could still be some time before truly significant balance fixes come out.

>>47558068
Anyone who refuses to properly present his argument and shitposts in response is nothing but a shill, a troll, or a liar.

>>47558116
Unless one of your XV8's is running a drone controller and you are packing markerlights as ablative wounds, then your broadsides are missing out on those very important markerlight tokens

If you take a drone controller commander to give them BS5, you are more than gucci

>>47558116
It wouldn't be bad. However, if you want to DS those XV8s, you better grab some Tetras

>>47558121
Didn't know the design was pre-warcraft 3
then mybe is the other way around, frostmurne was inspired by this one

Or they just don't have anything to do with the other

>>47558116
Stick some markerlights in there and you have a basic Tau army.

>>47558092
except there are plenty of 40k players who just want a fun table top game. Or still like 40k, but are willing to put more of their new model buying into aanother game if that game appeals to them.

X--wing beat GW in miniature sales. This wasn't all from people who don't buy 40k products. Some of the money that could have gone to 40k didn't. That's competition.

>>47557924
>>47557935
I she on stilts or something? How does she move her arms?

>>47558175
Space Magic.

Also yes, probably short stilts.

>>47558092
>>47558132

I dont play WM/H. This industry is more saturated than ever before, and GW is hemmorhaging sales. So there is most certainly competition out there, and its taking chunks out of GW's marketshare.

>>47558196
Competetion, sure, but no direct competition that fills 40k's niche. And I doubt "hemmorhaging" is the right word. Seems like too much hyperbole too me.

>>47558224
I think 40k's actually growing a slight bit. I've seen more "looking to get into 40k, should I choose X or Y army?" posts on Leddit. We'll just have to wait for the next quarter report.

>>47558254
Locally it's the second pillar that supports my FLGS, the first being MtG.

>>47558224
you don't really understand the terms you're using do you?
40k doesn't just fill a niche but also a broader category. The niche customers, those who only want a game like the game 40k is, are a fraction of their market, and competition that hits outside of that fraction is still a major threat to their sales.

If a guy who plays 40k decides to buy an x--wing box rather than another 40k box, that's competition. They still like 40k for what it is, but x--wing is a lot of fun, and their enthusiasm form 40k is weakened by it's problems. They didn't lose the player, by they lost sales.

When you're losing shelf space, you're losing sales, when you're losing table space, you're losing sales, and that's happening to 40k.

>>47558092
>GW still has no direct competitor

Please dont unironically quote Tom Kirby.

>>47557264
If this is related to IA14, then this is likely a Tau staging area on a moon over Cyraxus.

>>47558285
You guys are saying the same thing using different words senpai

>>47558224
>I have no interest in any game/setting other than 40k
=/=
>40k has no competition

I dont typically respond to such blatant idiocy, but judging by your tone I feel like you're a decent guy -that just has no idea wtf hes talking about.

>>47558285
The niche is the scale of the game. Yes there are games played with more models (historicals which are a smaller scale) or less models (skirmish games) but there isn't another one that tries to match GW's scale as a wargame. That gives it something unique that keeps some of it's customers coming back even if we go off for a bit to another game.

>>47558345
It has no direct competition in games that match it's scale or setting. It has competition the same way Oreos compete with M&Ms, but one isn't a replacement for the other entirely and that draws people back.

>>47558349
Keep telling yourself that as the playerbase dries up, GW experiences increasing shrink, and other games grow to fill the space 40k used to occupy.

>>47558377
>Keep telling yourself that as the playerbase dries up, GW experiences increasing shrink

[citation needed]

Sales have increased YoY for 2015 so far.

>>47558366
>head in sand as the world crumbles around you

>>47558385
Blatant lies, not gonna bother discussing it with you man.

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>>47558431
You're the fucking idiot if that's how you respond to evidence.

Currency adjusted growth of 0.7% may be barely anything, but it's certainly larger than negative.

>>47558408
[Citation Needed]

Seriously, why are you even here if you hate the game so much?

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I had a dream last night where Militarum Tempestus got a fancy new tank that had loadsa dakka. It was a 13/13/10 fast all terrain APC with a transport capacity of five. It had autocannons and the Taurox battle cannon and could take special ammo that upgraded the s7 ap4 profiles to s9 ap2 profiles with gets hots. And it could fire twice if it's target was within half range

It was oddly specific, but it was a nice dream

>>47558510
>I had a dream last night where Militarum Tempestus got a fancy new tank

It's time to take a break from /tg/.

>>47558482
Looks like sales were down 2.2% to me anon. Which only covers whatever period the numbers are relevant to. Which was what exactly? Holiday 2015 would be my guess? GW does more than ~50million/year. Stop being so desperate.

>>47558196
>GW is hemmorhaging sales
Considering the loss in sales decreased from 2014 to 2015 and they actually had a gain of .7% of sales in constant currency, that is, in fact, not true.

>>47558334
I'm really not, because he doesn't think the company is in trouble so long as they keep the hardcore customers buying some product.
I'm saying that losing the other forms of customers, and part of the hardcore crowds disposable income. is a major problem.

>>47558349
missed the point. Looking at just one tiny part of an already niche market isn't a way to judge the health of a company. That sort of thinking only works for a company that isn't putting a lot of money into development for it's product.

>>47558482
it's below the 'overall market growth, it's sales not profit, and for the specific market we know that not only has GWs share shrunk, but it's no longer the top dog at all.

Relying on the market itself to grow just to maintain current sales is a losing strategy.

GW isn't dying, but it's certainly not healthy. And it's not a direction they want to keep going.

>>47555881
Several, but the Arvus Lighter stands out to me.

Being a Renegade player I just can't see the usage or a point of taking them at all.

>>47558504
I like 40k. Just not willing to pretend it flourishing and everythings just peachy.
Its ok to be a fan/customer/player while still acknowledging problems and shortcomings.

>>47558572
Meanwhile one of the annoying guys who works at my closest LGS keeps screaming "40k is dying, play heroclix instead!" And my buds and I are like "ew, no..."

>>47558571

>lying and quoting figures you dont even understand

Never change /tg/.

>>47558482
OK
http://www.iii.co.uk/news-opinion/richard-beddard/games-workshop%3A-denial

>>47558607
well heroclix isn't exactly doing great itself. Surviving, but that's about it.

But an unhealthy company can become a dying company if they don't change things. Which is probably why GW is starting to change things.

>>47558166
>X--wing beat GW in miniature sales
That report was only based on 3rd party retailers in north america. 3rd party is basically the entirety of X-wing sales, whereas that makes up less than 50% of GW sales (37% of their sales according to their latest report). So while GW is in a less than optimal postion, realisticly speaking GW is still number one in terms of miniature sales.

>>47558607
>a retard likes heroclix
>40k must be healthy!

>>47558560
>Looks like sales were down 2.2% to me anon.

Non-currency adjusted, yes. A strong dollar doesn't magically make GW sell less plastic just because it fits your argument.

>Which only covers whatever period the numbers are relevant to. Which was what exactly? Holiday 2015 would be my guess?

The most recent numbers, so it's the period ending November 2015.

>>47558572
>it's sales not profit

Not commenting on the rest of your post, but looking at profit can be misleading. High profits can be attained by cutting employees, spending less on R&D / new capital investments, etc. You can mask low sales behind high profits by fucking yourself over long term, so profits can be a very poor way to assess health of the consumer base.

Daily reminder the Tau had to face up to the fact that their defenses were not good enough for the job, and yet again take a page from the Gue'la.

>>47558196
Sorry lad. Even the complete fuckup that is the state of 40k right now isn't stopping it's growth, though it's small right now.

We are on track for 40k to increase it's growth due to the companies change in direction and leadership.

>>47558607
Almost every game has these shills, that for whatever reason believe their game is the best and everything else is shit.

>>47558651
Im inclined to agree with you. But anyone that denies GW and 40k are in a bad spot right now is just obtuse.

>>47558635
Yeah, the Start Collecting boxes were a HUGE step in the right direction. I was thinking of doing Space Marines for my 4th army. And then on top of that, if I want to buy some crisis suits, I can pay $10 extra instead and get a $50 unit of Fire Warriors and an extra Ethereal.

>>47558655
I never said 40k was healthy. I know that it's seen better years. But it looks to be on an upturn now that they have Rountree at the head. But you go ahead and keep assuming things with memearrows.

>>47558068
In real life it doesn't matter if you are in a room of Nobel prize winning physicists discussing physics, you still need to actually present your arguments with supporting facts and citations.

>>47558631
Pic related is from the 2014-2015 report.
Note that sales fell by 4.6%.
This pic
>>47558482
Is from the half way report for 2015 to 2016. Note they had a loss of only 2.2%.
Now please tell me how I misunderstood. Is 2.2% somehow a greater loss than 4.6%? Or is a .7% increase in sales not a fucking increase in sales?

>>47555074
What if its true and Abaddon is a godless heathen, and his long plan is to be the core of the chaos god's plans and then destroy everything they have built up in one sudden turn?

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>>47558712
Forgot pic.

>>47558712
>is a .7% increase in sales not a fucking increase in sales

Anon you've gone off the deep end

>>47558657
looking at sales can be equally misleading, as it can leave increasing costs or misspent investments that can indicate that the company is headed towards bankruptcy.

You typically need sale, profit, and asset growth/shrinkage to make a full judge of a companies health. And companies don't let those other stats out to the general public for multiple reasons.

>>47558678
>But anyone that denies GW and 40k are in a bad spot right now is just obtuse.
Oh mos definitely. Though Rountree has been taking steps to make it better.
But yeah, considering 63% of GW sales come from mail order or GW stores, and they're still 2nd place with what is at most 37% of their total sales, they are still far and away the largest and best selling company. And given that, as I said, the new CEO is trying to fix stuff, they are no longer willingly aiding their own decline they are in a better position than, say, a year ago when Tom "the game part doesn't matter” Kirby was in charge.

>>47558780
I'm just really hoping they get rid of that archaic "no internet shopping carts" policy sometime soon...

>>47558744
I'm not the one denying that GW had an increase in sales when the effects of exchange rate fluctuations is taken out of the equation, the other guy is.

>>47558712
>comparing year end numbers to a single periods numbers

Ok then.

>it's a GW sales thread

>>47558800
Well, bitching to GW got us points for AoS, so if we complain, or, in more buisness terms "bring to light our issues with the current buissness model", then it's certainly a possibility.

And seeing as this new CEO has a greater understanding of how important the internet is in buisness in the modern world, as shown by the new facebook pages for 40k and AoS, if anyone at GW ever decides to embrace online 3rd party retailers, it would be him.

>>47558827
Better than an autistic OP image debate thread.

>>47558827
>GW is growing! You're a retard!
>GW is shrinking! You're a retard!

They're both retards. It's pretty obvious Games Workshop is remaining relatively flat just like they have the past few years. There is really no reason to bother looking at this stuff until July, when the shareholders packet is made public.

>>47558136
Exactly, so when the faggot who originally said "lets removee MCs from everyone but Nids" he should have given some kind of proper reason for it, and at least shown a slight hint of knowledge about the subject, rather than just say "BUT FUCK TAU AND ELDAR" like they are the only armies who has them.

>>47558860
So the chicken's sign should say "GW is doomed!" rather than "proofs", is what you're saying?

>>47558878
Yes.

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>>47558823
Fair point. Ok, then lets compare the first half of 2014-2015 to 2015-2016.
Would you look at that. GW had an even greater loss of sales in the first half than over the entire year, and still had a loss in sales in constant currency.

If Brexit happens, GW shit will get a LOT more expensive due to shipping and taxes won't it..?

>>47555995
Syria is a little less dangerous to journalists. Familiarity to fascism should make the Russian populous hang their heads rather than cheering for Putin. People suspected of being gay automatically lose their constitutional rights, like protection from search & seizure & presumption of innocence. Riling up primitive super-patriotism with the help of far-right religion has become the order of the day.

Is there any place to get parts for an Exorcist or Purifier?

>>47557822
How was you first thought not the squishiest of squishies, the Guard?

>>47558874
>implying Eldar and Tau would be fucked if the WK, SS, and Riptide became walkers

>waaaaah my inbuilt advantages were taken away!

>>47558907
Either way they'll use it as an excuse for a 10% price hike.

>>47554782
I assume the rhino is for the Plagues Marines? I always found Nurgle to be my buddy. That said, I've also found that a Squad of CSM does better than Plague Marines in most situations.

Guys, I'll put an end to this debate right now. You can tell for sure how poor the state that GW is by the market it caters to. Obviously its in decline when it appeals to degenerates like
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Woe is GW to deal with clientele this autistic

>>47558901
Anon, single period numbers are heavily skewed by what was released during the periods in question.

If you are comparing a period where Imperial Knights were released, compared to say, a period that gave us Fyreslayers and a bunch of repacks - does that really prove anything at all?

Im not really interested in trying to sway your opinion bro. You are free to believe whatever you want. Lets drop this shit though because its derailing the thread, and will probably carry over into the next one if we dont squash it.

>>47558919
>reading comprehension level 0
Fuck Tau and Eldar, you ignorant little shit, and go back and read the post. There are a ton of armies with access to MCs beside those 2, and a lot of them would be fucked if you took them away.

>>47558975
>Im not really interested in trying to sway your opinion bro. You are free to believe whatever you want. Lets drop this shit though because its derailing the thread, and will probably carry over into the next one if we dont squash it.
Fair point. Both sides have presented their evidence and arguments, and we should just agree to disagree.

>>47558969
You only showed how far out of their way GW haters try to kill GW.

What is a 600 point Tau list that is underpowered enough to remain competitive with a new blood angels player who is largely infantry and Dante?

>>47558969
cont.
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>>47558969
Oh fuck, it's the patron of AL KAPS, the daemon prince Mu'lty'riip'lai.

>>47558863
This.

This will also be the first annual report where Rountree was in charge for the entire year, and the first wherein it's been long enough that his influence will start to manifest. Up until now, most everything coming out has been in the pipes for so long that his ability to change it is limited. Stuff like the FAQs is probably him, but most other things he can only make surface adjustments to.

He really may just be the hero 40k needs right now. Or maybe not. We'll see.

>>47558874
The vast majority of MCs outside of Chaos and Tyranids have no business being MCs.

Every MC that belongs to Tau, Eldar, or the Imperium should be a vehicle instead.

C'Tans fall into a kind of weird exception zone, they're definitely not vehicles, but whether they should be MCs or just infantry isn't a huge deal. So, whatever, they can be MCs if they wanna be.

The following armies should have LARGE MCs:
>Tyranids
>Chaos
>Necrons* (see above)

The following armies should have MEDIUM or SMALL MCs:
>Tyranids and Chaos, obviously
>Orks (why not give 'em some love)
>maybe Tau (auxiliaries, eg Kroot stuff or whatever, or some new auxiliary)
>maybe Deldar (I honestly know nothing about this faction)
>maaaaybe IG (something in the same genre as ogryn could pass as an MC)

Eldar, non-auxillary Tau, and the Imperium have essentially no business having MCs. Necrons have their weird C'Tans that will be weird no matter what unit type they are so it doesn't matter, and moreover they're not actually just upity vehicles like most of the other stuff.

>>47554733

Kriegers don't get to call anyone 'autistic'.

>>47559069
You don't fool me....
Obviously you are both slaaneshi
demons having intercourse at the moment.
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>69

>>47559073
>The vast majority of MCs outside of Chaos and Tyranids have no business being MCs.
>Every MC that belongs to Tau, Eldar, or the Imperium should be a vehicle instead.
Vehicles shouldn't even be vehicles.

MCs should represent walkers that are more nimble than walking vehicles, but there should still be enough of a difference between them and organic MCs to prevent the weird scenarios like poisoning a machine.

>>47558984
Please, explain which army will be fucked without MCs, that isn't Tyranids or Chaos (the two specifically mentioned by the original anon), and why they will be fucked. I'm intensely curious.

>>47559073
>Every MC that belongs to Tau, Eldar, or the Imperium should be a vehicle instead.
>Eldar
because the wraithlord and avatar are totally piloted vehicles.

>>47559117
To be fair, the Wraithlord is. It's just piloted by ghosts.

>>47559091
That's a Steel Legionary.

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I have two quick questions, 1. Which books/ supplements are still legal and is there any vehicle design rules newer than 3rd edition? I'm kinda lost on which of the ten billion books over 7 editions are still viable and I can't find anything newer than 3rd for vdr.

>>47559091
People who can't identify different regiments of guard don't get to call out anyone calling someone else 'autistic'

>>47559186
>Which books/ supplements are still legal
All of them. Nowhere do the rules state that you have to use the most recent version of your army's codex.

hey m8s hows my spess wolves list.

>HQ
Wolf lord- two wolf claws, belt of russ, , thunderwolf mount, wulfen stone

>Fast attackw
3 TWC, 1 frost axe, 2 frost swords,3 storm sheilds
4 fenris wolves, 1 cyber

>Troops
10 blood claws.. 1 frost axe, 1 flamer. Rhino Transport

5 grey hunters, 1 wolf standard, 1 power fist, 1 melta, razorback transport

Heavy support
3 long fangs, 2 heavy bolters, 1 missle launcher, razor back transport.
should be about 1k points. Im going choppy.

>>47559186
>Which books/ supplements are still legal and is there any vehicle design rules newer than 3rd edition

Technically, aslong as it was the last version/print, it is legal to use. Now, for the most vehicle focused codex, you will find that in Imperial Armour volume 1- 2nd edition. That is the most complete, up to date codex that you can find with vehicles. There is also seige of vrax and some other guardsmen imperial armors that have vehicles in them but not alot. Maybe a drop sentinel or two.

>>47559207
>8th edition
>Chaos gets Warband Tactics
>Tyranids get Hive Fleet Tactics
>IG get Regiment Tactics
>Eldar get Craftworld Tactics
>Orks get Warband Tactics

How would you react

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>>47557935
>does not wear a jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow

0/10, false Emperor is false.

>>47559253
jizz. thats how.

>>47559253
>Eldar get Craftworld Tactics
Isnt this a thing? I swear reading that there were certain bonuses for something for choosing a craftworld or some shit. Either in Doom of Mymera or the codex.

>>47559253
> Dark Eldar get nothing
I'd cry.

>>47559173
by that standard people are just flesh machines piloted by their minds.

>>47559273
>Dark Eldar become Corsairs

>>47559114
Lets be honest here, WK, SS, and Riptides are MC/GC just to sell more kits. The SS isnt more nimble than a Knight by any definition, it even has two pilots. There is no justification to make one walker an MC, and another not. Its simply a business decision. Anyone trying to explain it away with headcanon or their own personal interpretation of the fluff is a gigantic faggot and should be ignored.

>>47559198

Pretty sure getting pissy about mistakes over similar looking fictional army men is autism.

>>47559296
>Corsairs get removed and the new Dark eldar codex is the Corsairs Imperial armour book with renamed units.

I want this sooooooooooooo bad.

>>47559253
I'd be sad that GW continues to give Tau so much support, but yet refuses to fluff out Tau septs or combat units, depriving us of anything that could be considered a "fluffy" list beyond the decurion.

Can an Ork becoming a Daemon Prince?

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>>47559313
If that happens I would be SOOOOOOOO erect.

>>47559308
I'm pretty sure getting prissy about people calling each other autistic on a Mongolian, Chinese basket picture weaving porn board is pretty autistic.