/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls Lore Genera

Ignore the other thread, I fucked up the title...

might not seem like a big fuck-up but I know I always use ctrl+f to find the threads I'm looking for and I bet many others do aswell and would miss on the thread this way

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>>47469175
Nevermind, it got purged already. Yay.

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Daily reminder to remove n'wah scum

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Kwama thread!

>>47469168
Who is bottom right/

>>47469569
Helseth's guard helmet with Ebonheart Pact emblem.

>>47469580
Ah, it's the emblem that threw me off.

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What symbols are the bottom row from?

>>47469580
It's not, actually.

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>>47470525
Yeah, my bad. It's ESO Dunmer symbol. To the left from it is a Ghartok symbol and the next ones are some OC ones.

Who's the best great house and why is it Dres

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>>47470551
thanks sera

btw, is the top left symbol confirmed for indoril? On the UESP I can only find the 'logos' of Hlaalu, Redoran, Dres, Dagoth and Telvanni.

>>47470610
It's TR's previous variant of their sigil, they use another one now.

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>>47470619
shame we don't have an official indoril logo

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>>47470629
I actually thought that Ghartok was their sigil, given that it appears on Indoril armor and the Tribunal expansion pack imagery. Indoril Nrevar also had Ghartoki on his hands.

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>>47470662
noob question, what is ghartok?

>>47470677
According to MK, "Hand" + "weapon", an Aldmeris word for it. I personally equate it with this hand symbol.

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>>47470706
Hand+weapon? Is it some weird fighting style combining hand-to-hand with actual weaponry?

Ghartok really sounds like an orc name btw

>>47470722
It's just a word with somewhat vague meaning, you can find it in the 36 Lessons and the Commentaries.

>>47470706
>"Hand" + "weapon"
Or, in other words, a "fist"

>>47470551
I thought they were Sadras and the Temple (that's Armager glass armor, right?).

>>47470722
Your weapon hand.

Or, you are the weapon of something.

Or, in the case of Pelinal, his literal weapon hand.

>>47470722
> Hand+weapon? Is it some weird fighting style combining hand-to-hand with actual weaponry?
It means weapon hand. It is hand used for wielding a weapon.

>>47471002
> Or, you are the weapon of something.
More like you are an agent of something. AE GHARTOK PADHOME, CHIM AE ALTADOON would thus mean "I am the weapon-hand of change and royalty is the weapon"

>Dres' Emblem depicted as a pair of manacles
that's a little bit on the nose.

>>47471119
Thanks, ESO.

>>47471185
I can't really say, but I'm pretty sure that's just a fan depiction.

>>47471200
It's from ESO.

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>>47471205
JUST ESO MY LORE UP

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>>47471205
I don't think the ESO devs have ever heard the word "subtle" before.

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>>47471254
>Elder Scroll of Chim
>Elder Scroll of Ghartok
>Elder Scroll of Alma Rula

>>47471254
I think we've discussed this before, but CHIM doesn't necessarily refer to the state of being, it is also Ehlnofex for "Royalty." The Amulet of Kings, Chim El-Adabal, doesn't have to do with the state of being, it's a symbol of royalty.

>>47471316
That's not the point. The fact of the matter is that ESO just threw in a bunch of random ass useless elder scrolls labeled with 36 Lesson buzzwords because "MUH DEEP LORE"
It's incredibly out of place, and lacks any meaning. Just all around cringey as fuck.
The worst part is that redditors actually ate this up as 'muh CHIM confirmed!' yikes.

>>47469175
4chan.org/tg/tgesg
this is all you need

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>>47471413
man, the catalog looks much better that way

>>47470596
Dres, because slavery is natural.

>>47469550
You think kwamas could be ridden

>>47471387
Why would this confirm CHIM?

>>47471628
I once tried to ride a scrib, the result wasn't pretty.

>>47471712
because the word is mentioned, i guess, i dunno. Typical reddit logic

>>47471712
It gives validation to the information by referencing it in a different game.

>>47470596
I've always enjoyed Telvanni the most. Only thing I dislike about the is the backstabbing Klingon promotion bit.

>Muh mushroom towers
Best home, really wish there had been a quest in the Mad Gods land to use the mushroom trees there as a base for a new one.

>>47471727
You tried riding a scrib because it was pretty :3
I wonder how strong the shells of the other kwama variants are

>>47471712
because it says chim :DDDD

>>47471750
But it's been referenced in multiple games. It was confirmed the second someone said "CHIM" in Morrowind.

>>47471940
But without confirmation in other games, the idea of chim is irrelevant and could be explained away by embellishment by those in power.
Of course a powerful figure, or three, would call themselves gods, and a writer like vivec would try and make up stories to justify his "right" to power.

Besides, I meant referencing the information in the sermons confirms they weren't just inane ramblings of a freak in a loincloth.

>>47472030
Are you seriously implying that ESO lore is more credible than Morrowind one?

>>47472183
>Are you seriously implying that ESO lore is more credible than Morrowind one?
I couldn't give two shits what's "credible" or not. But yes, eso is just as credible as morrowind as long as it doesn't directly contradict what's already established.

>>47472030
Book 3 of Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes talks heavily about CHIM
>The Tower touches all the mantles of Heaven, brother-noviates, and by its apex one can be as he will. More: be as he was and yet changed for all else on that path for those that walk after. This is the third key of Nu-mantia and the secret of how mortals become makers, and makers back to mortals. The Bones of the Wheel need their flesh, and that is mankind's heirloom.
>CHIM. Those who know it can reshape the land. Witness the home of the Red King Once Jungled.
So if they needed more confirmation, it's there.
And if the Elder Scrolls contains the knowledge of CHIM, how would anyone read it without zerosumming?

>>47472313
>people reading elder scrolls
lol no
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Effects_of_the_Elder_Scrolls
>For one who has received no training in the history or nature of the Elder Scrolls, the scroll itself is, effectively, inert. No prophecy can be scried nor knowledge obtained.

>>47472459
>what are moth priests
They would still zero sum once they realize they're a dream.

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>>47472241
>eso is just as credible as morrowind

HELLO

>>47472520
>The knowledge they gain from the scroll is also tempered somewhat -- it requires stages of meditation and reflection to fully appreciate and express what one saw.
or
>hey spend their waking hours pondering the revelations, they also receive a further degree of mental fortitude
So it could be they either don't understand it enough to zero-sum, or they could possibly chim themselves.
Or, yes they could zerosum. But that's unlikely since it requires proper understanding, not just reading any part of the scroll like most monks do.
>>47472558
>meming
fun. we literally are just tesg without waifus now.

>>47472605
>ESO being shitty fanfiction is a meme!
You are a meme.

>>47472651
2. Anger

>>47472743
Ah, it's this faggot again.

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>>47472743
>>47472754
ladies, you're both pretty

whaddya guys think house sadras is like?

>>47472313
Just because it's named CHIM doesn't mean it has knowledge of CHIM, the state.

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>>47472767

>>47472768
I've never played eso, but I'm assuming there's only one scroll of chim?
If so, it's fair to assume that yes, it does include knowledge of chim the state.

>>47472801
That shit should have been locked away with the other SCPs- I mean weapons of rapture under the White Gold Tower, then.

>>47472788
The Ra'athim are involved with all the biggest names in 3E-4E history. From Nerevar to Talos, the Septims, Barenziah and Helseth, the rulers of Veloth to Morrowind, even High Rock.

>>47472836
But they already have one zero-sum inducing weapon.

By the way, any ideas what the other 1007 might be?

>>47472767
Traditional Resdaynia traveling merchant caravans that Redoran tasked with surveying and prospecting Dunmer colonies and overseeing trade.

>>47472801
Nah, like someone else pointed out, CHIM is a word as much as it's a concept.

It's the scroll of royalty.

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>>47472788
Why have I never heard of the Ra'athim before?

I know Direnni is an old and influental family, but I don't think I've ever heard any mentions of the Ra'athim.

>>47472881
They're behind it all, man.

>>47472855
Some sheet music, a broken diamond,

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>>47472873
I like that.

>>47469168
Okay now I get to be relatively ashamed.

I can tell Indorel,Redoran, Telvani, Hlaalelulelo, and Dagoth. I imagine 11 & 12 are Dres. But the entire bottom row has me straight up stumped. I've certainly seen the hand symbol before and I know where but I can't tell you what it stands for, the other 3 have me truly clueless.

>>47472881
Have you never even read the Biography of Barenziah? Jesus.

>>47472896
(cont)
The memospore of a zero-summing moth priest, probably some Numidiums, some other stuff I forget. Ask the Ghost Choir.

>>47472910
>Hlaalelulelo

The hand is the Tribunal Temple, the far left is, I think, Sadras, and the last is, as pointed out above, the Dunmeri symbol from ESO.

>>47470596
It may be one of the more common answers but I loved Redoran even before they became the sue house. I think it started from just a preference for their armor over the other houses and spiraled out of control from there.

>>47472896
>a broken diamond
Is that what I think it is?

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>>47472914
>meme-o-spore

it all makes sense now, moth priests study the art of shitposting

>>47472975
what?

>>47472975
What do you think it is?

>>47472855
Scary things.

One I wanna say is a decayed head that witnessed Numidium and mouths NO.

One that MK barfed out was a poem or memory transcripts of a moth priest that zero summed.

>>47472980
>>47472983
You know, that thing I can't describe because of the Thalmor.

>>47472975
Of course not. That is just a useless pile of soul gem fragments, probably housed up in some museum that the Thalmor ransacked and scattered to the winds, and an elemental or two. No, no, its something else.

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>>47472976
Pictured.

>>47472855
>By the way, any ideas what the other 1007 might be?
A bundle of ridiculous lies the Temple Zero babbles on about.

>>47473013
Yeah, that's probably it.

>>47471254
The symbol for house Hlaalu is a merchant scale, the only way it could be less subtle is if it was literally a picture of a dark elf sucking imperial dick.

>>47473013
w-what?

>>47473058
Lies would imply something not to be true, Monkey Truth is applying the logic of the TES universe. You never needed C0DA you know, that was just a call for attention.

>>47473058
Hasphat please.

>>47473089
That. You know, it. [REDACTED BY ORDER OF THE ELDER COUNCIL]

[NUMINIT]

>>47472877
So it would include everything about chim, which includes shit that would make you zerosum.

>>47473099
>>47473101
Tam! RUGH!

>>47473117
Wwwhhhyyyy would it?

Who the fuck needs Talos anyways? Fucker is not needed. "Boo hoo! Muh convention! Muh Zero Stone! Muh Lorkhan!"
Man doesn't need no stinking Talos. Talos can go up a creek and die, all man needs is Reman. Fucking elves forgot the true God King of Mankind, Talos is just an usurper who only had 200 years of worship before being squashed down into a shitstain. Reman lives.

>>47473028
What happened to the souls of previous Emperors, by the way? Are they in AEtherius now?

>>47473179
Yeah, probably. Or they were burned in Martin's ascension.

>>47473135
Because chim exists.
There's only one scroll of chim.
Unless you're trying to argue a different scroll talks about chim the state, which afaik isn't implied anywhere.

>>47473166
But is there any of His blood left? I heard Medes are somewhat related to the Remanites.

>>47473212
Why do you think one of the scrolls has to discuss CHIM at all?

>>47473166
>implying Talos worship isn't just an evolved form of Reman worship
>>47473179
Probably fused with Martin when he mantled Akatosh

>>47473220
I haven't heard anything like that.

>>47473179
>AEtherius
No one is there, do you think those stars are holes? Look again, sometimes bug splatter on a windshield looks like a crack, no?

Mayhaps they are in the dreamsleeve now, having been used, or tied with White Gold, many do say Martin's stoney remains as the monument of akatosh is the new stone.

>>47473222
Because chim is a thing in tes universe that happened and could happen later.

>>47473269
Yes, so why does there have to be an Elder Scrolls about it?

>>47473281
Because elder scrolls are a "historical document declaring the unequivocal truth of a past event."
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lost_Histories_of_Tamriel
If the event involved chim somehow, and many do, the scroll would "Archive" the information.
There is no reason to believe the chim scroll doesn't include all of chim, including the state, unless trolling for responses.

>>47473230
If it's evolved Reman worship, where the fuck is the jungle? Where an Imperial walks, monkey grass should grow, but it does not, only mundanity. Talos usurped Ald Tam! RUGH! and the eyesore elk betrayed his own vision for the taste of the shezzarine's seductive lips that spoke only lies that fooled the man groves to be ponds, but we see the man groves still, they are still there, only lies cover them.

>>47473067
Trade is a lot more believable symbol than slavery, especially for a group that prides themselves as the center of trade in Morrowind.
Yes, I know, the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Dres is slavery, but do you really think that's going to be the first thing that a Dres would want to describe themselves as? That the entire Houses greatest source of pride is in the fact that the enslave people, and not, perhaps, in the fact that they try to uphold the oldest aspects of Dunmer culture?
No that's fucking ridiculous. It just makes the Dres look like a bunch of fucking edgelords.

>>47473344
What makes you think they record an event that involves the use of CHIM? Besides, they're constantly changing.

We can't extrapolate that knowledge at all.

They share a name, that's it. Anything else is speculation.

>>47473348
Twas not the Elk's fault originally, but one of the Hungry Toad, may Ada-Mantis strike him down.

>>47473393
>What makes you think they record an event that involves the use of CHIM? Besides, they're constantly changing.
Because they're big, important events.
>We can't extrapolate that knowledge at all.
We can assume based on title.
TES3: Morrowind isn't gonna explore daggerfall.
>They share a name, that's it. Anything else is speculation.
Which begs the question of why they share a name.

>>47473433
>Which begs the question of why they share a name.
Because ZOS are retarded?

>>47473401
Yes, but the elk could've strided through the lush fields of pomegranates, though I myself desire them not, they still represent a beauty. Instead opted out for corn. CORN. FUCKING FECAL MATTER DECORATION SPRINKLES. He was the guardian of the jungle you know? Now it's lost forever, at least in one view of this beautiful world.

http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/45960/?

Ald Cyrod is still an option, after all.

>>47472313
> And if the Elder Scrolls contains the knowledge of CHIM, how would anyone read it without zerosumming?
Simple, attempting CHIM and knowing CHIM are two very different things.
>>47472520
One actually did. We got some cool lore from his last dying thoughts though.
>>47473166
Talos is Lorkhan Reborn. This is actually some big fucking news. Talos is going to become the New Lorkhan in the next Convention. He is fucking important. For nords this means that Shor is now not dead anymore, for Shor made a new Son, who is also Shor.

>>47473433
They share a name because, apparently, in ESO, the scrolls are named in Ehlnofex. CHIM is a word in Ehlnofex. That's it.

The Chim-el Adabal doesn't have anything to do with CHIM the state either.

>>47473006
Maybe a small portable Numidium prototype being capable of being used handheld?

>>47473478
Well, there is no next Convention though. But still, yeah.

>>47473518
Minidium?

>>47473357
Maybe it represents how they're shackled by tradition?
No?
Okay yeah that's stupid.

To be honest though I can't honestly remember that many members of house Dres who are terribly ashamed about what they do. They seem pretty matter of fact about it. Perhaps when they first took up the symbol it was more practical since there was a good period where pretty much most of the dark elves were just fine with slavery. It may have seemed like the equivalent of having a dairy farm with a cow for the symbol.

>>47473526
> Well, there is no next Convention though. But still, yeah.
Only in C0DA. And C0DA is explicitly not canon, it makes canon null and void. Bethesda could however do a TES reboot in the new Kalpa.

>>47473348
The jungles were removed because that's what the Cyrodiils wanted. Gods change at the will of the people. Reman's not needed anymore, he died with his Empire. Why would people worship a failed god?

>>47473464
That's dismissive and not very productive to discussion. Regardless of how true it may or may not be
>>47473503
It very well could, like giving temporary access to some chim-like powers, like a boosterpack.

>>47473518
Its a TV Remote.

>>47473553
That doesn't mean the things that happened in it are
1) Not up for discussion
2) Didn't have an impact

Speaking of coda, someone kept telling me that Nirn was a clockwork machine and coda said so, but the only "source" they gave me was all of coda.
Does anyone know where it actually talks about this?

>>47473555
>Cyrodiils wanted
A few whiney colovian nobleman's sons that were is not all of Cyrodiil. Tiber Septim was a hack who was in it for himself. After all, he was a fine follower of Bal.

>>47473623
Yeah, C0DA. The first and only time, so far, that it's been mentioned outright.

It makes sense, though. They're the Earthbones. It's what Sotha Sil hacked into.

>>47473518
Well, let's continue:
Vivec's personal diary, written in blasphemous ever-changing Words, stabbing the reader like a thousand Swords.

Numidium schematics

Precise notes on creating Daedric Titans.

MUATRA, the Milk-Taker

>>47473623
Hinted at everytime the Clockwork city was brought up.
It makes sense too. Nirn is just a clock, keeps on turning, perserving itself through acts of destruction and renewal until someone gets it right. Every advancement forward in magic and technology is nothing more than another step back to Aetherius, away from the reason for Nirn to exist: To be a dummies guide to Amaranth.

>>47473645
Reman hung out with Sanguine.

Ah, well, that's actually pretty cool.

>>47473549
>I can't honestly remember that many members of house Dres who are terribly ashamed about what they do
I'm not saying they are ashamed of what they do, just that it's not going to be something they adamantly believe describe themselves as to the point where the symbol of their entire culture is a pair of shackles. I mean really, who in their right mind would portray themselves through symbols of bondage and captivity? Not only does it give off an odd connotation when regarding the actually free people of the nation, but it implies that the House people view slavery as something greater than themselves.
It lacks a lot of imagination.

>>47473691
>>47473706
>more "it's totally in there trust me"
I'm not saying it's not there, I'm asking for an actual reference link or quote.

>>47473708
Reman was best Emperor. Then he fucked off, never confirmed he died, only lies of Tiber Septim's historians, and left his shit kids to deal with shit and die. He'll be back.

>>47473718
They could be secret followers of Molag Bal though. That would make putting chains and shackles as the symbol of their House understandable

>>47473718
>arewethebaddies.webm

>>47473734
Look up art made for C0DA. One of the pictures show Jubal and Hir looking at a destroyed Nirn, you can clearly see that the inner workings of Nirn consist of gears.

>>47473741
Hah, no wonder Boethiah let their shit get pushed in by Argonians.

>>47473734
Your post was a little vague. I'll post it later if no one else has, but you should read it yourself.

>>47473702
>Daedric Titans
Now this is quite a bullshit if I've ever seen one.

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>>47473770
I guess this one?

>>47473741
Dres worshipping a Corner? Literally what?

>>47473735
He is not Lorkhan reborn. Nords will care about this guy, when they have their chief God literally being resurrected. Talos fucking speaks to us directly through one of his Avatars in Morrowind, nords now have their God not only alive, but also walking on Nirn and giving blessings. Talos is way cooler than Reman.

>>47473645
Tiber Septim is the will of Cyrodiil, just as Reman was Cyrodiil before him.
People may have wanted jungles back in Reman's time, but things change, and Talos saw that change come true. Tiber Septim is a New Cyrodiil, one who saw to the needs of the modern Cyrodiils. Reman is the old jungled Cyrodiil, who the people likewise abandoned.

>>47473741
Seems like the last thing a secret cult would want to do is advertise themselves out in the open to everyone.

>>47473802
Gears and math ran on god souls. All to work an algorithm that most assuring would produce an amaranth.

Magnus was a fucking nerd.

>>47473809
> He is Lorkhan reborn.
Fix. I am getting sleepy now.

>>47473809
>>47473814
Talos is the dying king of a house falling apart. He confessed this as Wulf.

>>47473923
He was talking about the Third Empire dying, not about his Godhood.

>>47473106
Whatever happened to the council after the thalmor assassinated Ocato?

>>47474415
Which one?

>>47474415
They're still around. That guy is a member of them, isn't he? The one who hired the Brotherhood to assassinate Mede.

Yes, though, which one?

Talos is simply beyond anything the Thalmor can try, right?

>>47475750
Not as much as you'd hope.

>>47472975
>not something connected to EmpressKintyra II

what is chim?

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>>47476182
its a meme

>>47476182
It would be easier to explain what isn't chim at this point

>>47476182
Short explanation, CHIM is a term meaning "Royalty" from an old dead language, and is a state granting whoever knows its secrets the power to alter the world beyond normal laws, such as rewriting history, and changing an entire country's landscape with a single breath. Two people who have achieved this state are the Tribunal God Vivec, and Talos.

>>47475750
Yes, because they can't love

slow weekend?

>>47477394
No.

>>47477424
ded weekend?

>>47469204
I definitely have to play the Dragonborn expansion...

>>47477394
>>47477839
It just started. Holy shit some of us just got off work.

>>47478194
I know, it has just been extra slow

How many of you guys have played UESRPG, and was it any good?

>>47469168
Heh, what's TGs opinion of the Argonian-Drow-Nord alliance in TESO?

>>47478541
Not this shit again.

>>47478541
pretty fukin gay tbqh

>>47478541
ESO's worst offender, by a fair margin.

>>47478541
>Drow

>>47478541
Really bad. Really, really bad. Even worse than the Iron Orc incident.
>>47478823
For now. They're still making updated and DLCs, so it can get worse.

>>47476182
What is CHIM?
Vivec don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.

Do mages carry around spellbooks?

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>>47480097
According to Daggerfall, yes

>>47480130
Oh, cool. Thanks.

>>47479652
So when the Hero of Kvatch killed Jygalagg, did he commit suicide?

>>47476182
Console commands.

>>47480187
Wipe this meme off the face of the earth.

>>47480165
You weren't really Sheogorath, just because you were told you were. You could still die, unlike a Daedric Prince. You only became Sheogorath once you retired to the Shivering Isles and filled the idea void that was the Prince of Madness.
>>47480187
>console commands meme
please eat a milkfinger

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Who are the most lore rich race?
The least?

Whelp, I tried giving /r/teslore a shot.

From all it looks like and how people talk to each other, it is definitely not about TES, or TES lore. Just trying to make up random bullshit, attach a few TES lore words, then shout your fanfiction to explain a question incorrectly despite there already being an answer in an in-game book or no reason to even assume it, and if you point out that there is a real answer, everyone throws a fit because they were wrong for not even trying to look up an answer.

How the hell do some of you actually support this? Hell, some parts of Reddit are alright-ish to pretty good, but this is pretty much the cancer people think of when they think of Reddit.

>>47480278
>most lore rich race?
Probably the Dunmer, with Morrowind being the biggest lore drop in TES history.
>The least?
Imga
Imperials, because everything interesting about them died with Oblivion.

>>47480278
>most
Dunmer
>Least
Lilmothiit

>>47480324
Oblivion don't got nothing to do with it. Lore's lore.

Least would be Lilmothiit.

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>>47480278
Either Dunmer, Redguards, Khajiit, or Nords. Most likely Dunmer.

The least is Argonians. I feel they were meant to not have a lot of lore and be mysterious, though.
Bretons haven't really been fully fleshed out either, which is a real shame.

>>47480278
Dunmer

Lilmothiit

What race do most of you play? I usually play Khajiit for bonuses involving thievery, though I really like Dunmer.

>>47480381
I'd say the Imperials have more lore than the Khajiit.

>>47480458
Dunmer. They're a jack of all trades race and can do just about anything

>>47480458
Breton, Dunmer, Nord in Skyrim.

>>47480458
>What race do most of you play?
Depends on what I want to do. Dunmer witch hunter, Breton knight, and Nord crusader have been my last 3.
My favorite is Dunmer though. Liked them since Morrowind. Probably the case for most of us here.

>>47480458
Bretons mainly, since they're my favorite race and have great stats, but I play Altmer and Dunmer as well.

I like playing mages with a focus on alchemy, but I normally use some melee and armor on top of it, as well as pretty good speech skills.

>>47480458
Nord always, except in Morrowind.

>>47480467
Really?

I feel we know a lot about Khajiit, especially considering we have that one book in skyrim that I can't pronounce, we understand Elsweyr cooking, Skooma and Moon Sugar, the different types of Khajiit, the Lunar Lattice, Khajiit religion, Khajiit religious figures, their view on Lorkhan, how their society is structured, how Elsweyr is divided into two drastically different parts, how they were even on the moon, etc.

While Imperials have a lot of stuff covered, I would say Khajiit have them beat, even if by a margin.

>>47480819
I don't know, we know pretty much all of that about Imperials too, from the two split cultures to the being in the moon, plus dozens of rulers and emperors. To be honest, I couldn't name any Khajiit rulers.

We know about dozens of Cyrodiilic cults, why the cults exist, and the multiple religions they've had. Even their dietary restrictions, plus how they came from the Nedes (and we know a whole bunch of their tribes) and Nords. There are multiple books dedicated to many of their most famous rulers, from religious texts, scholarly histories, to fiction.

That still barely scratches the surface of what we know.

>>47480323
I'd rather life in a world of creative wrong than oppressive right.

>>47480458
Wood Elf
Sadly because they looked the most tolkien elf in skyrim character creation

>>47480458
Either Nord or Dunmer.>>47480467

>>47480458
Breton, almost always. That resistance to magic is almost always useful, and I tend to go spellsword or sorcerer anyway.

I like the dunmer and the khajiit, but I rarely ever play as them.

Are skeevers actually rats?
What makes one a skeever and the other a rat, is it just location?

Hi guys,

Last week I mentioned gming a savage worlds campaign in the elder scrolls world, basically playing Arena, but more detailed and tabletoppy

I'm fleshing a couple things out at the moment, and what I'm struggling with is that two of the players are Khajiit, which brings the following:

How the fuck am I going to handle them going into Valenwood, considering the war between the bosmer and Elsweyr. I'm basing most of my descriptions of surroundings in that area of The Dance in Fire (fun read btw) but still, I'm stumped about how to handle non Cathay-Raht Khajiit in there.

Any ideas?

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>>47476182
Near irrelevant to the actual games, just used as a retconning tool by the devs.

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>>47478166
It's pretty great. It's both a throwback to Morrowind and Bloodmoon's Solstheim.

>>47478541
The Breton-Orc-Redguard alliance is just as stupid.

Zenimax could've atleast come up with some deus ex machina to get these races work together but no, they suddenly tolerate eachother.

>>47484127
I would say retconning the jungle into a forest is relevant to the game, since you actually play in it.

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>>47484173
Alright, so it does affect the games, but mostly in a negative way.

>>47483952
>war
Something you should learn is just because the country is at war does not mean the people are.
I'm sure the bosmer enjoy skooma just as much as anyone else, and there's some kind of slave trade for their beautiful women. With people apparently having connections when they leave valenwood, like Niruin in skyrim thieves guild, it's just a matter of fidning the right people instead of working with the "official" channels.
There's also probably those who simply don't care, probably older elves who are too wise to care about petty squabbles like war.

>>47480323
Because there is nothing else to discuss. Really, this is what happened to /r/teslore. If you look up earlier posts you can clearly see that a couple of years ago people DID discuss actual lore. Now there is just no new lore to discuss. This subreddit will rise from the dead when a new TES game will come out.

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>>47479647
Anyone got the one with Vivec?

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Someone told me there's Indoril architecture somewhere on Vvardenfell... some place with a blue/green roof.

That guy's talking out of his ass isn't he? Or is there someone here who has played a lot of Morrowind and knows a place like this?

>>47484426
There's none.

>>47483675
Like the Skavenger (dear god ESO that is the lamest name you could have chosen), they are pretty much rats. The only difference I can see is in the snout - looks a bit more like a possum.

>>47480458
Depends on the character. Used to play a lot of Nords and Dunmer, now more Khajiit.

>>47481009
I can name several, even though I might mess up the spelling.

>>47484151
The Dominion rustles me too.

>>47480323
Not that it is necessarily bad. The problem is that there is just no new lore to discuss. The golden age of RottenDeadite, MareloRyan and others has ended.

And also, /r/teslore does sometimes produces awesome shit, like the Khajiit C0DA.

Oh, and the same guy who wrote Khajiit C0DA has now written this - http://akhajiitc0daverse.com/dragons-c0da.pdf

>>47480323
teslore is real good sometimes, you've just got to find the stuff that's interesting. And most of the rest is boring or pointless, but mostly inoffensive, so I don't mind.

Might sound stupid to my current understanding of it but as far as know, Amaranth is when an entity of the current universe becomes the godhead in the universe right? So, if Dagoth Ur is literally the opposite of everything that stands for in that universe (shaping everything in his own image rather than being one with the universe) is Dagoth trying to achieve Amaranth only the total opposite of it?

>>47480323
/r/teslore is basically dead at this point. There were some awesome scholars there, but it is all gone now. RottenDeadite doesn't give a crap anymore, IceFireWarden decided to go full Numidium and to delete all of his works, because of some IRL stuff, MareloRyan left, scourgicus writes for his Khajiitc0daverse, mojo sometimes visits /r/teslore, but he doesn't seem to give a fuck anymore, etc. And MK also seems do not give a fuck about TES anymore, he now works for Telltale. This subreddit is basically dead.

>>47484823
Dagoth tries to usurp this Dream, Jubal and Vivec tried and succeeded to create a better dream, built on love and compassion and not on tragedy and violence.

>>47484742
>RottenPleb
>good

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>>47484841
The community being, at least in the lore department, weakened sort of bothers me.
Especially since I feel like we've lost all connection to the devs. What TES really needs right now is a dev that gives a shit. I don't mean to say that Todd doesn't give a shit about making products that sell well, or that the artists don't care about making cool shit.
Say what you want about MK, but at the very least he cared about the world of TES, and about the fans. Go look at Goodall and it was the same thing. He didn't need to write interviews, forum posts and extra stuff, but he did because he cared. I know Kuhlmann is still there, but otherwise I don't know about any of the devs that are in contact with the community or seem to truly care. And Kuhlmann is pretty silent these days.
This isn't the typical kind of doomsaying, and I don't have a lot of issues with the games getting more "casual". Worse gameplay is bad, but it's not the most important for me anymore. The lore is.
Add in that a lot of the better writers in the community seem to have gone away, and we get the times we're currently in.

Things don't have to get worse. TES is popular, and it's not like we're on the brink of a death of either the community or the series.
I just don't think things are going to get more fun or more interesting. I hope I'm wrong.

>>47485075
He has done the best job at actually EXPLAINING 36 lessons compared to others. I am not going to say his is the best scholar out there, but he has certainly done a lot of good work.
>>47485080
We still do have hope though. Perhaps MK and others will become more active when a new TES game is going to get announced? I certainly hope that Kuhlman is going to get more active. He still works for Bethesda, which means that he definitely will continue to work on TES.

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>>47485080
I'm not too suprised by the lack of dev talk. When Morrowind was coming out, I don't think anyone expected for it to get as big as it did. Bethesda had been doing well enough, but Morrowind is where it really boomed. And notice how a lot of the easter eggs worked into the game were forum jokes and stuff like Eltonbrand. This was personal, niche. They had a core of dedicated fans that they knew were going into the game, and would be excited for it.

It's not that the easter eggs got lamer in later games - I liked how one Oblivion easter egg was basically encouraging the player to explore - but it wasn't the niche community thing anymore. Oblivion and Skyrim on consoles, not just computers, and had a much larger audience to try and please, and that means a lot less of a personal touch. Half the players wouldn't understand fishysticks, and how many casual fans do you think would really care enough about the lore to track down forum posts and really read most of the in-game books? Many of the easter eggs were literature references and such instead. Bethesda had to 'dumb things down' as they widened their scope, and that's just an unfortunate fact.

You know what's odd? This book: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Special_Flora_of_Tamriel

Many of these plants that were supposedly native to other regions appeared in Oblivion and Skyrim, and Ironwood Nuts did appear in Oblivion and not in Skyrim.

>>47485159
Sheogorath mentions fishy sticks in Skyrim, but I do get what you mean. Skyrim also had Erik the Slayer but besides that there's a lot less community references.

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I only recently found out that Vivec's ministry of truth wasn't simply a reference to 1984 in name, but an actual reference to how the tribunal altered their past.

Yes... I'm kinda slow on these things

>>47485300
Tribunal altered their past by exploiting the Red Moment and rewriting the history in a literal sense.

>>47485300
I'd like to see cities on water again.

>>47485354
No, only generic human towns

>>47485397
Too bad mods don't really fix this.
i don't think water-focused mods are usaully done in general, but I don't think skyrim wasn't really a place to have water areas.

>>47480278
If we count all beast races the least lore rich race is gremlins.

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>>47485354
yeah, morthal could've been way radder if the whole place was on stilts

>>47480381
>>47485624
same symbol?

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>>47485716
Yeah, it's the symbol for illusion magic. Morthal could've done something with that but it didn't.

>>47483675
Nords call them that.

>>47484127
It's a good thing these are not threads about the games.

>>47484426
Could he mean Mournhold?

>>47486302
Nope, I told him the only Indoril architecture in Morrowind is seen in Mournhold, which is not on Vvardenfell. He replied that he actually meant another place.

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>>47483675
>>47484557
Skeevers don't look like a rodent. They look like some kind of small predatory animal.

>>47480323
The worst part is that now the redditors are here.

>>47486884
Damn thats cute
I want a pet skeever now

>>47487034
We've always been here.

>>47487696
Yah, I can tell from the links in the OP

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>>47487787
Should we remove /r/teslore from the next OP?

>>47487806
fine with me

>>47487806
I don't think so. It is a bad place to discuss lore NOW, but it certainly was a couple of years ago and it is definitely worth while to take a look at some old articles and discussions there.

>>47487806
Have you ever visited it? It's not le reddit meme xd xd, it's pretty good more often than not.

>>47487806
No, the OP is fine like it is. It hasn't caused any issues, aside from those who get needlessly upset about it linking to the "wrong" websites.
Seriously, just let it be a list of links to TES-related stuff. We can't start altering shit just because some people dislike it. If it had been unanimously disliked it might be another story, but doing it right now is just unnecessary.

>>47487806
That would be too autistic.

What do you feel the best direction is for the game to take the main story line? What region? Why?

>>47484426
I don't get that image...

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>>47488953
April Fools this year everyone got random names

>>47488902
Hammerfell

>>47489243
kek

>>47488902

I'd like to go to Summerset, just to get a good look at what the Thalmor are about, and Altmer culture generally. Bonus points if the story line involves collapsing the Aldmeri Dominion from within.

As a bonus, they could probably fit Valenwood and bits of southwest Cyrodil on the map. Anvil at least.

>>47488902
> What do you feel the best direction is for the game to take the main story line?
More Thalmor stuff, less shit about PC being the chosen one, etc. Morrowind had the best main quest, Bethesda should just learn more from it.
>What region? Why?
Either Hammerfell or the whole Aldmeri Dominion. First option is of course the most likely. Elsweyr is another good candidate.

>>47488902
Unlike most people here apparently, I want to be the center of the world.
Sadly tld in skyrim did not have the universe revolve around him.
He was a "chosen one", yet it was almost completely irrelevant. It was a title people called you. Sometimes. If they weren't dismissing you or putting you down.
I want to be the center of the world and have it fucking mean anything other than the enemy levels.

>>47489653
>less shit about PC being the chosen one
This, I want to be able to dick around and not have some holy duty shoved in my face. Oblivion and Skyrim both made you feel like you had to do this shit right now or we're fucked. Morrowind tells you to visit some random skooma addict, then fuck off and do your own thing while he reads.

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>>47489650
>go to Alinor
>try to start shit up
>Elf Gestapo finds out and immediately beats your ass

>>47489882
It was always kind of fun when doing a second playthrough and didn't get the tools beforehand, Dagoth Ur is like "the fuck are you doing here"

So what games/game modifications would be best for running an Elder Scrolls set game? I see the UESRPG above so I imagine it's the go to but I'm curious just in case it's not.

My players are interested and I just wanted to make sure I grabbed a system that would represent it well

>>47490224
Yeah, it is.

>>47489653
>less shit about PC being the chosen one
>Morrowind had the best questline
uuuhhh

>>47490924
>le "you aren't actually the nerevarine" meme
Oblivion is a chosen one too, uriel even tells you you're the one from his dreams.

>>47483014
Except it's just an oppressive wrong now.

>>47491006
Not wrong, just nonfactual.

>>47486884
They look pretty rodent-like to me.

>>47491021
If there is a definite answer, then it can be wrong. If there is no definite answer, then it can be nonfactual.

>>47491067
>If there is no definite answer, then it can be nonfactual.
Which is what most of teslore is right now.
The issue from this is citing other reddit posts as sources.

>>47485292
What's more odd is that Ironwood Nuts only appear as harvested samples - some trees are identified as Ironwood trees in the construction set, but you can't pick anything from them. It's identical to Lady's Smock Leaves, so they might have forgotten to leave it out.

As for easter eggs, there are videos you can find out there that catalog all of them, but from what I remember Oblivion had some drunk goblins, dev name references, and a few references to book names. Skyrim had a few King Arthur and LotR references, and a surprising amount of calls back to older games.

>>47485292
I always imagined that all the trees in Skyrim were Ironwood, and that's why you can't hack down trees.

I want to believe.

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>>47490986
Now that you mention it. I think the only games in the series where you aren't some chosen one fuckboy are Arena and Daggerfall.
Not really sure if that says anything about modern RPGs, although I do wish more games just set you up as a random shmuck rather than a predestined Aryan supermer.
Because god forbid giving people the opportunity of actually making their own role in a roleplaying game.

>>47491309
I'd say you are sort of a chosen one in Arena.

>>47491309
It's just an easier way to make an epic story. Need to make sure the main character does something? Tell him its his destiny to do so, or that he's the only one that can possibly do it. How do you make him feel epic? Give him an awesome prophecy, making him a part of thousands of years of events, and unique powers.

In Daggerfall, one early part of the main quest had you talk to a lady who is a member of the Blades. You could miss that meeting, and the second meeting she set up, and just fuck around. And that works for Daggerfall, because it set itself up as a game where you could do pretty much anything. In Skyrim, at least in theory, you need the main quest to make you the epic hero, the Dovakiin, that you are supposed to be. You start with nothing, rise to megaawesome status.

>>47491033
As expected from uneducated nord.

What is Vivec doing around this days? Considering that he is now essentially in exile, what he might do? What is the best place for Vivec to spend his time now? Vivec certainly does have a lot of free time now.

>>47491635
Noone knows
And before anyone tries to bring up the Trial of Vivec, that isn't canon. At least not yet, it might be in the future, if Bethesda decides to rip a piece from it like they did with Heimskr and The Many Headed Talos

>>47491672
Trial of Vivec was a dev rp, it's at least got approval from more devs than kirkbride.

>>47480458
argonian because i think free telekinesis is better than for example histskin on falmer.

>>47491757
>free telekinesis
What

>>47491757
>free telekinesis

What? I'll admit the histskin power is really awesome, even if it's just the Blood of the North power from Oblivion, but what do you mean by free telekinesis?

>>47491395
You're basically "chosen" by virtue of:
A) Tharn not killing you right away.
B) Being left to die relatively close to Silmane's corpse.

>>47491501
It's so liberating when you have that choice. Sure, the Agent might be a friend of the Emperor, but that doesn't mean you HAVE to do what he says.
Maybe you're a really crappy friend, that would much rather dick around the Bay getting rich and swole than solve some ghost problem.

>>47491725
This. The devs have done this sort of thing before.

>>47491672
I know that no-one knows. I was talking about a different thing.
What is a good place for Vivec to go now? What he might do for a living after the Red Year? I would imagine him as a wondering priest of Mephala, teaching others sacred words of Mephala. Or he might just choose to indulge in hedonism, because now he has nothing else to do. Or he might just choose to continue living on Vvardenfell and meditate there, because he is one powerful motherfucker.

>>47491725
Does anyone other than Bethesda do RPs like that?

>>47491794
>>47491825
Hist hivemind.

>>47492148
Whatever it is, it's outside of the public view until post-Landfall.

>>47492367
Not that I'm aware of. Even Bethesda hasn't done one since--what, before Oblivion launched? I imagine it doesn't fit with their efforts to be more and more one of the big-name studios, especially with the Bethesda launcher and stuff like that in the works.

>>47492148
If we're just speculating I'd always liked to think that Vivec went after the Nerevarines Akavir adventure.

>>47492367
Closest I can think of is the Portal ARG. Wouldn't surprise me if some smaller, niche company did it.

>>47492410
I fear it's totally unlikely that we're going to see stuff like in-character dev interviews ever again. Bethesda was a lot more open back in the day, and there was established fan sites that had some pull in the community. We knew about Morrowind long before it came out.
It's been more than one and a half decade since fan site "The Hall of Adventurers" got the Skeleton Man Interviews from the devs.
Could you imagine The Imperial Library or UESP, who nevertheless do a good job, getting something like that today?

>>47492389
Hivemind wouldn't be telekinesis - telekinesis is being able to move stuff around without touching it.

And personally, the Hivemind is one of the things that turns me off the most about the Argonians. I never like hivemind races, because that means there's little room for individuality.

>>47492603
It's definitely not a hivemind. The Hist can speak to the minds of Argonians, but they're definitely still individuals, albeit weird ones.

>>47491725
The best we can say of it right now is that it is a hypothetical situation.

>>47492760
A hypothetical situation that at one point a majority of devs acknowledged as being possible, although that fact seems to have changed as more and more of the old guard left Bethesda.

>>47492603
Hist trees are the hivemind, argonians are not. Hist can read argonian minds, but argonians cannot read Hist's mind unless they are given visions by the Hist.

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TES movie based on Arena when?

>>47494075
Also, we need a Morrowind movie directed by Jodorowsky before he dies.

>>47494075
Has there ever been a good "travel to x, y, and z locations to get various trinkets to stop sinister plan" movie made? I feel like it would get monotonous and repetitive pretty quickly.

>>47494075
Any movie based on a videogame is doomed to fail.

Besides, Bethesda has gone out of their way to avoid indicating what the past heroes were actually like, so everyone can have their own idea of how things went. Skyrim was the only exception, where they actually had Sheogorath show up with heavy implication that he was the Hero of Kvatch.

>>47494516
>implying the Super Mario Bros. movie isn't fucking gold

>>47494075
Hopefully never

>>47494075
>A TES movie.
Jesus christ, kill it with fire.

Who/what are your top 5?

>Divines

>Daedra

>Races

>Provinces

>Towns

>>47497692
>>Divines
Talos
Akatosh
Julianos
Arkay
Stendarr

>>Daedra
Boethiah
Hermaeus Mora
Hircine
Peryite
Lorkhan

>>Races
Dunmer
Breton
Redguard
Imperial
Bosmer

>>Provinces
Morrowind
Highrock
Summerset
Ald Cyrodiil
Valenwood

>>Towns
Markarth
Balmora
Imperial City
Skingrad
Vivec

>>47497692

>Divines
Dibella, Mara, Kyne, Akatosh, Zenithar
>Daedra
Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, Jyggalag, Malacath, Peryite
>Races
Dunmer, Cyrodiil, Khajiit, Argonian, Redguard
>Provinces
Morrowind, Cyrodiil, High Rock, Hammerfell, the Summerset Isles
>Towns
Ald'ruhn, Blacklight, the Imperial City, Sentinel, Daggerfall.

This ignores that I like the weird shit best. Pyandonea, the moons, and Kothringi are where it's at.

>>47497692
How about top 3?

>Divines
Talos
Mara
Zenithar

>Daedra
Azura
Vaermina
Peryite

>Races
Dunmer
Nord
Altmer

>Provinces
Morrowind
Highrock
Summerset isles

>Towns
Vos
Aldruhn
Balmora

>>47497692
In no particular order.

Talos, Kynareth, Akatosh, Arkay, and Dibella

Molag Bal, Mephala, Sheogorath, Sanguine, and Azura

Nord, Dunmer, Imperial, Breton, and Redguard

Skyrim, Morrowind, High Rock, Cyrodiil, and Hammerfell

Windhelm, Solitude, Balmora, Whiterun, Caldera

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>>47497692

>Divines
Magnus(?)
Mara
Dibella
Arkay
Julianos, or Yffre.

>Daedra
Azura
Mephala
Sanguine
Hermeus Mora
The old Sheogorath.

>Races
Breton
Dunmer
Imperial
Altmer
Khajiit

>Provinces
Morrowind
Highrock
Summerset isles
Cyrodiil
Skyrim

>Towns
That's really hard.

Whiterun
Sadrith Mora
Skingrad
Balmora

Dunno, Maybe Riften if I could destroy the Thieves Guild like I destroyed the Dark Brotherhood. I guess Vos, otherwise.

>>47498338
Oh shit, how could I forget Hermaeus Mora, my favorite daedric lord?

Scratch Sanguine or Azura off and replace them with the old Woodland Man.

>>47494075
Good lord. It'd be the most bastardized action flic, or the most insulting YA fanfic ever made. Goddamn, the ONLY way I can see a TES movie working is if you got a actor who actually played the games and actually put in a little effort. Then on top of it all, you'd need a good director who wouldn't screw it up. Yes, you'd probably still get a cheesy action movie but it'd be a GOOD popcorn flick. Plus... The whole thing would work better if it was it's own side story or a prequel of some sorts.

Like say making the film about Ulfric's war career and his eventual capture by the Altmer, ending with him "escaping" from their clutches. I also could see something akin to a Sci-Fi mini series or a HBO show like GOT working out for something like the Red Year or the Great War. But we all know a high budget TES series is simply out of the question. Most likely we'd get a bad fantasy film trilogy starring some asshole like Jennifer Lawrence or Nicholas Cage acting out a VERY condensed bastardization of Morrowind's plot. Or if we actually did get a series, it'd be a YA show similar to Shannara.

Either way, the odds are against us getting a good TES film.

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>>47498754
>Nicholas Cage acting out a VERY condensed bastardization of Morrowind's plot
fund it

>>47498754
How would you even handle all the special effects? Avatar was an amazing well-funded movie, so it could pull off having giant blue aliens and mechs, but a TES movie would likely have nowhere near that sort of budget. And more than half the races aren't human, magic is almost everywhere...

>>47497692
> >Divines
Kyne/Tsun/Stuhn/Mara/Dibella
> >Daedra
Azura/Mephala/Boethiah.
> >Races
Dunmer, Nord, Redguard, Khajiit, Argonians.
> >Provinces
Morrowind.
> >Towns
Sadrith Mora

How did the Oblivion Crisis cause so much devastation? I'm not sure how long it canonically lasted, but even if in-game you took the time to do all of the quests for each town, it still would have only taken a few weeks at best.

And everyone in Cyrodiil is blaming Ocato for focusing too much on other provinces, while other provinces are angry that Ocato is pulling Imperial troops out of their provinces to defend Cyrodiil. How can all this happen in so short a time? How can both sides be claiming that Ocato is focusing too much on the other side?

>>47501247
Dragon Break

Shall I make a new thread?

>>47501465
Why not.

>>47473623
There's lore on it, but it's in ESO

>>47501481

let's go

>>47501535
>>47501535
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>>47501382
>Dragon Breaks are lore devices
>Dragon Breaks are plot devices
>Dragon Breaks are retcon devices

I can't handle it, man. The first one was fine, the use of the Dragon Break to explain away Daggerfall's story was okay considering it included worldrape: the timefuck machine, but they can't use it every time they want to change shit, explain plotholes, and make the story work (thanks Skyrim).

Have it an occasional thing in the lore and the background, not some hamfisted duct tape over the setting.

>>47501553
Most likely it's just everyone being entitled bitches and Legions not being strong enough.

>>47501247
My interpretation is that distances are a lot bigger than it seems in the game, for instance, it takes a couple of days to get to the border of Valenwood by horse (a dance in fire), so it takes a shitload of time to get to the necessary locations as outlined in the main quest.

Considering that and that maybe the hero of Kvatch helped close most of the Oblivion gates manually, and that he had other business to attend to, the entirety of the oblivion crisis may have taken a couple months or so.

I'm not sure if it's ever effectively explained how long it took in canon, so take it with a pound of salt.

/speculation

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>>47473045
>dat prop beanie

It is to lel.

>>47499540
Special effects? Well if we were lucky the Directors would go back to old school practical effects like say the animatronics used for the Thing movie, or something more akin to J.J. Abram's experiments with a mix of both practical and special effects in Star Wars. But that's being insanely optimistic. Most studios would just make EVERYTHING CGI like a terrible Superhero movie or those Hobbit abominations simply to save money.

As for the races, well all you need to do is have Jennifer Lawrence and a handful of extras running around wearing blue body paint like in X-Men and you got the Neverraine and the Dunmer as terrible as that sounds. As for the High Elves and the Bosmer, TESO changed them into LOTR Elves so you can just go ahead and do the Shannarra LARP treatment with fake pointy ears. As for the Argonians and the Khajit, they're just going to be their incarnations from Arena or if we're lucky: Daggerfall. Just more people wearing paint in the case of the Argonians, or Tails and fake tans for the Khajit.

Magic I'm guessing would just be more terrible CGI. Yeah, the more I think about a TES movie the more I despair. Plus, I'm absolutely terrified of the thing getting designed by a committee or a focus group of people ordered to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Then there's the fact that Tumblr would likely have quite a bit of influence as anything even REMOTELY consistent would "trigger" someone and cause a internet shitstorm. Yep. There wouldn't be a whole lot to look forward to.

So in the case of a Morrowind Trilogy starring Jennifer Lawrence, we'd see a very generic YA-like world where the Neverraine was a strong independent wymen preventing those asshole straight white male Tribunals from ascending to Godhood. The Empire would be the evil Galactic Empire #5643 complete with Stormtroopers, Dagoth Cage would be a over the top bad guy that the audience would love, Slavery would likely be ignored or outright retconned because Tumblr. Nice.

>>47501247
> How did the Oblivion Crisis cause so much devastation?
Hell literally invaded Earth, this is why. There were literal armies of demons EVERYWHERE, Tamriel survived literally only due to Divine Intervention.

>>47502833
But there just wasn't time for much devastation.

>>47502892
The time length of playing is not the same as actual time length
It probably took a month just to find a daedric artifact to use in the main quest